Right on Steve!!! :) I could go for a beer about now!
> -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Casey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 5:35 AM > To: Protel EDA Forum > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Speaking of Protel Bugs. > > > Wow - 52 mails in this thread (53 now!) I must say I've been thoroughly > enjoying it, too. You can't beat a good, reasoned argument. > > Anyway, not wishing to get into the finer points of what is, and isn't, a > bug, I think that your problem may be fixed by updating the Intellimouse > software. I had a similar issue, and the update fixed it. I have had many > issues where two products interact in some undesirable way, and > in the main > an update fixes it. Maybe it's not right, but it generally works, and it > lets me do the same. > > Looking forward to further banter (number 54 and onwards!) - It's a shame > we're not in a bar, talking about this over a few beers. > > Steve. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: JaMi Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: 26 July 2002 12:11 > > To: Protel EDA Forum > > Cc: JaMi Smith > > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Speaking of Protel Bugs. > > > > > > Gisbert, > > > > Please se my response intermixed with your comment - > > > > JaMi > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > snip > > > > > > > > When you install a piece of hardware (e.g. a mouse), the > driver software > > > either goes with the hardware product, or you may chose to install the > > > Microsoft driver (if supplied). > > > > I'm with you so far, but I believe that you already missed the problem - > > > > I did not install any Microsoft Mouse or Intellimouse Software - > > > > It came with the system - > > > > Like buying a car - it came with standard equipment - I did not > install a > > new transmission - I did not install a new Mouse - I did not > install a new > > Mouse driver. > > > > My company bought a standard system with a standard mouse and a standard > > mouse driver. > > > > That standard system was a Dell, that standard mouse was a > Microsoft Wheel > > mouse, and that standard mouse driver was Microsoft Intellimouse. > > > > > The application SW (like Protel) should not > > > need to mess around with any special HW feature (like it used > > to be in old > > > DOS times), > > > > Yes, Yes, I agree One Hundred Thousand Percent. Continue. > > > > > but just call system (Windows) functions and leave the rest to > > > the OS. > > > > Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Please Continue. > > > > >I am just a simple-minded hardware developer, but if you state that > > > the application works fine > > > > No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No! > > > > Thats the Problem - it didn't work - Protel crashed! > > > > PROTEL CRASHED - AND ONLY PROTEL! > > > > > with a Logitech mouse and does not with a > > > Microsoft mouse, there cannot be any question about who is to blame. > > > > Well - Lets stop and look at this for a minute. > > > > The Microsoft Mouse is in fact the "Industry Standard" Mouse. > > > > Apple stole the design from Xerox PARC (Palo Alto Research > > Center) and tried > > to say that they invented it, and even tried to sue Microsoft, but lost. > > Microsoft is and has always been the defacto "standard" mouse in the > > industry ever since the mouse has been used as an input device > > (and yes I do > > have a Microsoft Bus Mouse). If you don't like this assesment, > don't blame > > me, go talk to all of the other mouse manufacturers in the world > > who put the > > words "Microsoft Compatible" on all of their mouse products. > > > > Enter Logitech. Logitech made a Mouse with Three Buttons. From the very > > first day, the Logitech Mouse was never compatible with the > > Microsoft Mouse > > or any of the Microsoft Mouse Drivers. However, Logitech did make > > their own > > Software Drivers for their Logitech Mouse that made their > > Logitech Mouse act > > like a Microsoft Mouse, and in that sense, the Logictech Mouse > > was deemed to > > be Microsoft Mouse Compatible. Logitech has always had their own Mouse > > Drivers which have thru the years have kept the Logitech Mouse > compatible, > > although today, the actual Logitech Mouse and Microsoft Mouse > are actually > > somewhat (although not completely) hardware compatible. > > > > >From the perspective of virtually all systems around today > except Apple, > > Microsoft developed the mouse, and Microsoft also developed the mouse > > driver. Microsoft is the standard. > > > > OK - So here we are with a standard Dell System, and a standard > Microsoft > > Wheel mouse, and a Standard Microsoft Mouse Driver - Let us > > please continue. > > > > (Please note that while there is a parallel post arguing that > Dell shipped > > an older driver with the system (and I will answer that post > seperately), > > there appears to have never been any asertions by anyone, including the > > author of that post, that any Dell system ever at any time had > any problem > > with any other applications while it had that mouse driver except for > > Protel.) > > > > >I have > > > no preference for any OS; I want a working system, that's all. > > > > Protel does have preferences, but Windows 2000 is one of them, lets > > continue. > > > > > I just don't > > > care about who writes drivers, be it the OS people, be it the hardware > > > supplier. > > > > Yes, Yes, I agree One Hundred Thousand Percent. Continue. > > > > > I dare to demand from SW the same as anyone takes for granted > > > from any HW product they purchase: it shall function as specified. > > > > Yes, Yes, I agree One Hundred Thousand Percent. > > > > THIS is why I say that Protel has the "Bug"! > > > > > In > > > consequence: If Microsoft mice don't work with Microsoft SW (MS > > is the OS > > > provider, > > > > But in fact the Microsoft Mouse does in fact work CORRECTLY with my Dell > > system and with My MS OS and EVERY OTHER APPLICATION that I have > > ever run on > > it. > > > > > > O N L Y P R O T E L C R A S H E S ! ! ! ! ! > > > > N O T H I N G B E S I D E S P R O T E L C R A S H E S ! > > ! ! ! > > > > > > > don't buy mice from Microsoft. It's as simple as > > > that. > > > > I didn't - It came with the system - > > > > >The fact that use of the Logitech drivers eliminates the problem with > > > Protel speaks for itself. > > > > I don't think that it did eliminate the problem, although it does > > seem that > > it is a successful workaround. > > > > But as for the problem itself - which I would maintain is still > there - I > > cannot see why after going thru your own rational step by step as I have > > here, people can still try and say that is is not a Protel Bug. > > > > > I don't mind your devotion for Microsoft, I use > > > their SW as well, as it is part of my work, > > > > I think Microsoft sucks! But in some instances, such as this > one, I think > > Protel sucks too! > > > > > but please let us stick to the > > > facts. > > > > Yes, Yes, I agree One Hundred Thousand Percent. > > > > > > By the way, how do you know whether Altium is member of MDN or not? > > > > > > > By the simple fact that they have failed to address this problem > > for several > > years, I believe that it is indicative of not consulting with > Microsoft on > > the issue. > > > > I believe that any Software Application Developer OEM such as Protel / > > Altium who was a member of the Microsoft Development Network and who > > approched Microsoft with the problem, would have had it resolved > > years ago. > > > > Maybe I am wrong. > > > > Maybe they are a member of MDN, and simply choose to ignore the > > problem, and > > let others in this forum point the finger of blame at Microsoft. > > > > JaMi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************************************************************************ > > * Tracking #: D7F434CF5C7D4643A387A3E5BBB092C79D8641F7 > > * > > ************************************************************************ > > > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
