Yeah, I understand the posts. Maybe "Protel and only Protel crash with the
Intellimouse driver" because "Protel and only Protel" is executing some
parameter of the driver that is improperly coded IN THE DRIVER. Maybe Protel
is requesting more data from the driver and its queue is getting overrun. I
have no freakin idea since I didn't write any code but the point is it could
be the driver code as easily as Protel's code. Yes I do write code, lots of
it. I know enough to not definitely blame one source in a problem like this.

I never said it's NOT Protel's fault. I'm just more open minded than you are
about it. It could be anyone's fault that has to do with anything in your
system. Could be the USB implementation of your motherboard, who the hell
knows?

Tell ME Jami, why does Protel NOT crash for me when I have an Intellimouse
mouse and associated driver?

Why does it NOT crash for hundreds of people that might be using the
Intellimouse? If you do 'update' your driver and the problem goes away, why
would you insist on blaming someone else?

Have you actually tried the 'latest version' of the driver with no success,
or do you just refuse to try in order to bitch about an old problem? (I
can't remember if you have or not tried this)

I don't think we'll ever know the exact number, but I would guess there are
thousands of people using Protel without all the crashing problems you have.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: JaMi Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 11:25 PM
> To: Protel EDA Forum
> Cc: JaMi Smith
> Subject: Re: [PEDA] Speaking of Protel Bugs.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tony Karavidas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 10:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [PEDA] Speaking of Protel Bugs.
>
>
> > As others have told you, there are reasons some programs misbehave when
> they
> > are not the root cause.
>
> You really havn't understood all of the posts to this thread, have you?
>
> >
> > You are so adamant about "Protel being the problem." I found it
> funny that
> > several people showed you real world examples of how it's
> possible you are
> > wrong and yet you still refuse to accept the notion that it might be the
> > mouse driver.
>
> I can accept that it is the Mouse Driver, but what you and a few
> others fail
> to want to allow for or admit is that the problem is due to the fact that
> Protel can't properly interface to the mouse driver.
>
> Several others in this forum have pointed this out and have
> accepted this as
> the real problem.
>
> You, and a few others, still refuse to address and answer the
> basic question
> of why does Protel and only Protel crash with the Intellimouse driver?
>
> Just answer that simple question - don't avoid it - don't complicate it -
> don't hide behind something else - don't make irrelevant
> accusations - just
> answer the simple question.
>
> Why does Protel and only Protel crash with the Intellimouse driver?
>
> Nobody appears to want to answer that question, because the answer is
> ovbious.
>
> You point out that I am "so adamant about "Protel being the problem." ",
> which I will acknowledge, and I have given the reasons here several times
> but they seem to get overlooked or ignored by you and a few others, so I
> will point the primary reason out once again so that you can
> ignore it once
> again. - Even though the newer Intellimouse drivers seem not cause the
> Keyboard Lockout Problem, there still appears to still be a possible
> connection with the Intellimouse drivers, even the newer ones, and the
> unexplained system crashes that still get reported here in this forum (no
> one seems to want to address this statement either).
>
> I will keep pointing out the problem, and pointing the finger at Protel,
> until some qualified programmer from Protel addresses the question and
> convinces me that he has examined the relevant code and can unequivocally
> state that there is no association between Protel's continued crashing and
> any mouse driver whatsoever.
>
> There appears that there are many qualified programmers here in
> this forum,
> and I find it very interesting that at least a few of them appear to have
> sided with me on this issue, or at least at a minimum sided
> against Protel.
>
> I guess the questions that I might ask you Tony, are: Are you really
> qualified as a programmer to say that it is not the way in which Protel is
> handling the Mouse Driver? Are you really qualified as a programmer to say
> that it has nothing to do with the unexplained system crashes that some
> people are still having?
>
> >
> > I'm sure DXP will give you lots of fuel.
> >
> > Have a good one,
> > Tony
> >
>
> I don't want lots of fuel Tony, I just want a functioning EDA Software
> Application that will allow me to properly design and layout a PCB without
> all of the problems and hassels.
>
> JaMi
>
>
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