Mikko Eley said : > Thank you for everybody's responses. I'm gaining a better understanding > of the open source model. I see now that I have Debian installed on an > old G4 that there are indeed thousands of open source applications > available and packaged up. But I too feel the pull for having a few good > apps rather than hundreds of different projects. > > I'm hoping to be able to code something useful within the confines of my > course but I suspect a lot of these small apps may be the product of > computer science projects :-). My first idea *was* to code up a piece of > code art using Processing but I feel that getting a solid brief > appropriate to a BSc course may be hard. Thus I'm looking at tools for > artists. > > I would love to contribute to a project like Jahshaka (I tried to run it > a while ago but struggled to get it to do anything useful) Video editing > is an important technology to have on an open source system. I was > attempting to get Kino to capture from my DV camera but have yet to > succeed in getting anything on screen or to disk. Although it may be a > problem to contribute an already running project as its hard to prove > what elements I did myself > > I'll continue trying to carve out an appropriate niche, also if anyone > out their is working in a hacker space or computer arts studio and wants > to hire an eager young programmer (and artist) to help further their FOSS > aims over the coming academic year I have the option of taking a year to > work in an industrial placement.
maybe ask access-space in Sheffield/UK? > > As a disabled student I get funding for my studies and I may even be > able to work for free depending on my universities policy on placements. > I long to work on creative projects and work amongst people who are > furthering the FOSS model. As someone who could never really shake the > arts bug I have learned to live on meagre income and not really having > much of a career. > > I would rather work on socially important projects and just have enough > to live than to be working for big business and the big banks like a few > of my colleges have done. Although they are currently in a tight spot ;-) > > Thanks for the suggestions! > > > On 24 Mar 2009, at 09:53, Paulo Silva wrote: > >> Yes, ubuntustudio is indirectly based on debian - it's based on >> ubuntu, which ubuntu is based on Debian, which repository is not >> exactly the same or having direct sincronity with this Debian as >> well... >> >> And of course, i know the importance of having few great apps as >> priority, but the open-source world is constantly providing innovative >> and unique tools that proprietary world is not providing, or tools >> with unique features, and would be nice pure:dyne developers and users >> know they exists, and helping their development and popularity. I >> think it's important as well. And some developers may be more >> comfortable on code a new idea can be considered important somehow, >> than helping a larger project. >> >> >> >> On 3/24/09, jm jones <[email protected]> wrote: >>> 2009/3/23 Paulo Silva <[email protected]>: >>>> anyway, there are lots of very interesting projects, not yet >>>> packaged >>>> at Debian (maybe as not from pure:dyne), would be great having >>>> packagers for them - there are very promising projects, with some >>>> risk >>>> of abandoning, mostly because newbies are not that comfortable with >>>> make/configure procedures: >>>> >>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Wishlist >>>> >>>> i were spending some hours on searching projects and updating this >>>> list, which i hope can be helpful also to pure:dyne >>>> >>>> another question: how possible and/or interesting would be a >>>> cooperation between Pure:Dyne and UbuntuStudio, since both seems >>>> to be >>>> based on Debian? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 3/23/09, Paulo Silva <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> MilkyTracker is not that good as ModPlugTracker - it misses >>>>> import/export to .midi files (very important when using other >>>>> composing tools together, like from Rosegarden, Cubase, etc.), >>>>> has no >>>>> clipboard support for copying/pasting to other applications (like >>>>> Gedit), and can't import/export to .txt files (this feature i found >>>>> only from VortexTracker, i think) >>>>> >>>>> On 3/23/09, Paulo Silva <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> well, i had problems with sound output from ModPlugTracker on >>>>>> wine... >>>>>> - no sound at all... >>>>>> >>>>>> On 3/22/09, Karsten Gebbert <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> Aymeric Mansoux said : >>>>>>>> Paulo Silva said : >>>>>>>>> There are some ms-windows open-source tools very missing >>>>>>>>> on Linux, >>>>>>>>> such as ModPlugTracker and VirtualDub - i'm saying these two >>>>>>>>> examples >>>>>>>>> because there's no .mod editor as good as ModPlugTracker >>>>>>>>> on Linux (i >>>>>>>>> tried all trackers from the Debian repository, and no one >>>>>>>>> is that >>>>>>>>> good), >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Milkytracker is an excellent tracker. The version in >>>>>>>> pure:dyne has >>>>>>>> JACK >>>>>>>> support working (the one in Debian had a bug with JACK, not sure >>>>>>>> if they fixed that...) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I tried MPTracker running in wine once, it worked quite good >>>>>>> too! In >>>>>>> general I agree though, its sad that there is no port of it for >>>>>>> gnu/linux >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> and VirtualDub is a very simple and complete video editor very >>>>>>>>> missing on Linux as well (some people used to cite >>>>>>>>> AviDemux, but >>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>> are no comparisons possible) - on answers from both >>>>>>>>> developers, they >>>>>>>>> said there would be very difficult to port these two >>>>>>>>> projects to >>>>>>>>> Linux >>>>>>>>> because they were deeply dependant on MS-Windows API, but >>>>>>>>> i really >>>>>>>>> doubt on it, since i believe all can be simply replaced >>>>>>>>> with GTK, >>>>>>>>> wxWidgets, QT, or any other libraries available... i'm not that >>>>>>>>> skilled to point what can be replaced with what, but i >>>>>>>>> believe it is >>>>>>>>> really possible! =) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 3/23/09, Paulo Silva <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> taking a look at some work done may have on you better >>>>>>>>>> ideas on >>>>>>>>>> what >>>>>>>>>> is missing on open-source tools - this example is a >>>>>>>>>> kind of work >>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>> can do on AfterEffects, and i think you still can't on >>>>>>>>>> Jahshaka: >>>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fucBh5FZGU >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 3/23/09, Paulo Silva <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> yes, there are lots of very promising open-source >>>>>>>>>>> applications >>>>>>>>>>> still >>>>>>>>>>> lacking deeply on features - for example, just take a look at >>>>>>>>>>> Jahshaka >>>>>>>>>>> and Synfig, and compare them with AfterEffects and >>>>>>>>>>> Flash editor, >>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>> you realize how needed of features they are... - and >>>>>>>>>>> if you think >>>>>>>>>>> some >>>>>>>>>>> existing open-source projects are needed to be another new >>>>>>>>>>> projects, >>>>>>>>>>> you can fork them, just like Inkscape were forked >>>>>>>>>>> from Sodipodi, >>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>> CinePaint from Gimp - and considering Jahshaka and Synfig are >>>>>>>>>>> open-source, you can make them much more useful, flexible and >>>>>>>>>>> professionally-targeted than their proprietary similars - for >>>>>>>>>>> example, >>>>>>>>>>> just take a look the Adobe Flash editor crashes when >>>>>>>>>>> importing >>>>>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>>>> than 1000 frames of vector files sequence (like .ai), >>>>>>>>>>> and with >>>>>>>>>>> swf-tools you can create a .swf with 16000 frames easily... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 3/23/09, Aymeric Mansoux <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Mikko, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Mikko Eley said : >>>>>>>>>>>>> So I am canvassing this mailing list for possible software >>>>>>>>>>>>> projects. >>>>>>>>>>>>> What would you like to see in pure:dyne, does anyone have a >>>>>>>>>>>>> specific >>>>>>>>>>>>> need for a piece of arts software that an average computer >>>>>>>>>>>>> science >>>>>>>>>>>>> student could code up in two terms? I familiar >>>>>>>>>>>>> with Java but >>>>>>>>>>>>> may >>>>>>>>>>>>> still >>>>>>>>>>>>> get into c/c++. Is there a software program that >>>>>>>>>>>>> desperately >>>>>>>>>>>>> needs >>>>>>>>>>>>> coding, a utility that would make currently >>>>>>>>>>>>> available software >>>>>>>>>>>>> work >>>>>>>>>>>>> better? Or is their an add on that would be >>>>>>>>>>>>> needed to be coded >>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>> would provide a much needed function? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I think you can have two different approaches for >>>>>>>>>>>> investing your >>>>>>>>>>>> time: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> - There are already a lot of very good FLOSS that provide >>>>>>>>>>>> artistic >>>>>>>>>>>> environments to produce all kind of media works. >>>>>>>>>>>> From quite >>>>>>>>>>>> popular >>>>>>>>>>>> software such as inkscape to more "niche" software >>>>>>>>>>>> like fluxus, >>>>>>>>>>>> there is >>>>>>>>>>>> a whole range of projects and communities that will >>>>>>>>>>>> welcome any >>>>>>>>>>>> effort >>>>>>>>>>>> you can offer. Check the project's mailing list, >>>>>>>>>>>> see if there is >>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>> roadmap, TODO or any traces left from the authors explaining >>>>>>>>>>>> what >>>>>>>>>>>> could >>>>>>>>>>>> be implemented next and you could offer your help >>>>>>>>>>>> on this side. >>>>>>>>>>>> So >>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>> the end it's just a matter of picking up one of >>>>>>>>>>>> these software >>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>> help >>>>>>>>>>>> develop it. (if on small projects a lot is done via ad-hoc >>>>>>>>>>>> exchanges, >>>>>>>>>>>> bigger projects might already have a guideline on >>>>>>>>>>>> how people can >>>>>>>>>>>> help >>>>>>>>>>>> and how they should submit patches or propose new >>>>>>>>>>>> features...) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> - In that regard, pure:dyne is not different and if >>>>>>>>>>>> you want to >>>>>>>>>>>> contribute to the live distribution, you can check on the >>>>>>>>>>>> ticket >>>>>>>>>>>> tracker and see that there are quite some tasks >>>>>>>>>>>> pending. Most of >>>>>>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>>>>>> are related to packaging and scripting. The only task I can >>>>>>>>>>>> think >>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>> that would involve some utility tools that we miss >>>>>>>>>>>> badly, would >>>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>>>>>> xfce4 control panel for pure:dyne, to configure >>>>>>>>>>>> various parts of >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> live distro, for example a GUI to create USB keys, create >>>>>>>>>>>> different >>>>>>>>>>>> persistent modes, etc... If it had to be done, we >>>>>>>>>>>> would prefer >>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>> python and GTK is used though. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> No matter what you decide to do, this is a very nice way to >>>>>>>>>>>> invest >>>>>>>>>>>> your time and energy, and you will probably get >>>>>>>>>>>> more from this >>>>>>>>>>>> experience than working on an isolated project. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Of course, you could also just make your own >>>>>>>>>>>> software art as a >>>>>>>>>>>> project >>>>>>>>>>>> ;) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> a. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm hoping to be able to contribute something >>>>>>>>>>>>> valuable not only >>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> open source community but to artists working with linux. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> thank you for your time, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Mikko >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>> irc.goto10.org #pure:dyne >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>> irc.goto10.org #pure:dyne >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>> irc.goto10.org #pure:dyne >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>> irc.goto10.org #pure:dyne >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> -- http://krgn.goto10.org >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> --- >>>> [email protected] >>>> irc.goto10.org #pure:dyne >>>> >>> >>> Well, Ubuntu studio is based in Ubuntu, not Debian, and I tell from >>> experience thats a big diference, and the reason why I change to >>> pure:dyne. >>> First I try Ustudio, then 64studio (etch version) a lot better , but >>> the people of 64 studio change to hardy in 3.0, so I change to PD. My >>> reasons are because performance-filosofy. Debian always probed to be >>> much stable, i dont feel compromise in the people of Ubuntu studio, >>> etc. >>> I see a great compromise in the people from Ardour for example, and I >>> think if we want more people coming to FLOSS we need 2 or 3 great >>> programs in each field, and no 20.000 little projects. >>> >>> -- >>> JM >>> >>> --- >>> [email protected] >>> irc.goto10.org #pure:dyne >>> >> >> --- >> [email protected] >> irc.goto10.org #pure:dyne > > > --- > [email protected] > irc.goto10.org #pure:dyne > --- [email protected] irc.goto10.org #pure:dyne
