Thank you for everybody's responses. I'm gaining a better
understanding of the open source model. I see now that I have Debian
installed on an old G4 that there are indeed thousands of open source
applications available and packaged up. But I too feel the pull for
having a few good apps rather than hundreds of different projects.
I'm hoping to be able to code something useful within the confines of
my course but I suspect a lot of these small apps may be the product
of computer science projects :-). My first idea *was* to code up a
piece of code art using Processing but I feel that getting a solid
brief appropriate to a BSc course may be hard. Thus I'm looking at
tools for artists.
I would love to contribute to a project like Jahshaka (I tried to run
it a while ago but struggled to get it to do anything useful) Video
editing is an important technology to have on an open source system. I
was attempting to get Kino to capture from my DV camera but have yet
to succeed in getting anything on screen or to disk. Although it may
be a problem to contribute an already running project as its hard to
prove what elements I did myself
I'll continue trying to carve out an appropriate niche, also if anyone
out their is working in a hacker space or computer arts studio and
wants to hire an eager young programmer (and artist) to help further
their FOSS aims over the coming academic year I have the option of
taking a year to work in an industrial placement.
As a disabled student I get funding for my studies and I may even be
able to work for free depending on my universities policy on
placements. I long to work on creative projects and work amongst
people who are furthering the FOSS model. As someone who could never
really shake the arts bug I have learned to live on meagre income and
not really having much of a career.
I would rather work on socially important projects and just have
enough to live than to be working for big business and the big banks
like a few of my colleges have done. Although they are currently in a
tight spot ;-)
Thanks for the suggestions!
On 24 Mar 2009, at 09:53, Paulo Silva wrote:
Yes, ubuntustudio is indirectly based on debian - it's based on
ubuntu, which ubuntu is based on Debian, which repository is not
exactly the same or having direct sincronity with this Debian as
well...
And of course, i know the importance of having few great apps as
priority, but the open-source world is constantly providing innovative
and unique tools that proprietary world is not providing, or tools
with unique features, and would be nice pure:dyne developers and users
know they exists, and helping their development and popularity. I
think it's important as well. And some developers may be more
comfortable on code a new idea can be considered important somehow,
than helping a larger project.
On 3/24/09, jm jones <[email protected]> wrote:
2009/3/23 Paulo Silva <[email protected]>:
anyway, there are lots of very interesting projects, not yet
packaged
at Debian (maybe as not from pure:dyne), would be great having
packagers for them - there are very promising projects, with some
risk
of abandoning, mostly because newbies are not that comfortable with
make/configure procedures:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Wishlist
i were spending some hours on searching projects and updating this
list, which i hope can be helpful also to pure:dyne
another question: how possible and/or interesting would be a
cooperation between Pure:Dyne and UbuntuStudio, since both seems
to be
based on Debian?
On 3/23/09, Paulo Silva <[email protected]> wrote:
MilkyTracker is not that good as ModPlugTracker - it misses
import/export to .midi files (very important when using other
composing tools together, like from Rosegarden, Cubase, etc.),
has no
clipboard support for copying/pasting to other applications (like
Gedit), and can't import/export to .txt files (this feature i found
only from VortexTracker, i think)
On 3/23/09, Paulo Silva <[email protected]> wrote:
well, i had problems with sound output from ModPlugTracker on
wine...
- no sound at all...
On 3/22/09, Karsten Gebbert <[email protected]> wrote:
Aymeric Mansoux said :
Paulo Silva said :
There are some ms-windows open-source tools very missing on
Linux,
such as ModPlugTracker and VirtualDub - i'm saying these two
examples
because there's no .mod editor as good as ModPlugTracker on
Linux (i
tried all trackers from the Debian repository, and no one is
that
good),
Milkytracker is an excellent tracker. The version in pure:dyne
has
JACK
support working (the one in Debian had a bug with JACK, not sure
if they fixed that...)
I tried MPTracker running in wine once, it worked quite good
too! In
general I agree though, its sad that there is no port of it for
gnu/linux
and VirtualDub is a very simple and complete video editor very
missing on Linux as well (some people used to cite AviDemux,
but
there
are no comparisons possible) - on answers from both
developers, they
said there would be very difficult to port these two projects
to
Linux
because they were deeply dependant on MS-Windows API, but i
really
doubt on it, since i believe all can be simply replaced with
GTK,
wxWidgets, QT, or any other libraries available... i'm not that
skilled to point what can be replaced with what, but i
believe it is
really possible! =)
On 3/23/09, Paulo Silva <[email protected]> wrote:
taking a look at some work done may have on you better ideas
on
what
is missing on open-source tools - this example is a kind of
work
you
can do on AfterEffects, and i think you still can't on
Jahshaka:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fucBh5FZGU
On 3/23/09, Paulo Silva <[email protected]> wrote:
yes, there are lots of very promising open-source
applications
still
lacking deeply on features - for example, just take a look at
Jahshaka
and Synfig, and compare them with AfterEffects and Flash
editor,
and
you realize how needed of features they are... - and if you
think
some
existing open-source projects are needed to be another new
projects,
you can fork them, just like Inkscape were forked from
Sodipodi,
and
CinePaint from Gimp - and considering Jahshaka and Synfig are
open-source, you can make them much more useful, flexible and
professionally-targeted than their proprietary similars - for
example,
just take a look the Adobe Flash editor crashes when
importing
more
than 1000 frames of vector files sequence (like .ai), and
with
swf-tools you can create a .swf with 16000 frames easily...
On 3/23/09, Aymeric Mansoux <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Mikko,
Mikko Eley said :
So I am canvassing this mailing list for possible software
projects.
What would you like to see in pure:dyne, does anyone have a
specific
need for a piece of arts software that an average computer
science
student could code up in two terms? I familiar with Java
but
may
still
get into c/c++. Is there a software program that
desperately
needs
coding, a utility that would make currently available
software
work
better? Or is their an add on that would be needed to be
coded
that
would provide a much needed function?
I think you can have two different approaches for
investing your
time:
- There are already a lot of very good FLOSS that provide
artistic
environments to produce all kind of media works. From
quite
popular
software such as inkscape to more "niche" software like
fluxus,
there is
a whole range of projects and communities that will
welcome any
effort
you can offer. Check the project's mailing list, see if
there is
a
roadmap, TODO or any traces left from the authors explaining
what
could
be implemented next and you could offer your help on this
side.
So
in
the end it's just a matter of picking up one of these
software
and
help
develop it. (if on small projects a lot is done via ad-hoc
exchanges,
bigger projects might already have a guideline on how
people can
help
and how they should submit patches or propose new
features...)
- In that regard, pure:dyne is not different and if you
want to
contribute to the live distribution, you can check on the
ticket
tracker and see that there are quite some tasks pending.
Most of
them
are related to packaging and scripting. The only task I can
think
of
that would involve some utility tools that we miss badly,
would
be
an
xfce4 control panel for pure:dyne, to configure various
parts of
the
live distro, for example a GUI to create USB keys, create
different
persistent modes, etc... If it had to be done, we would
prefer
that
python and GTK is used though.
No matter what you decide to do, this is a very nice way to
invest
your time and energy, and you will probably get more from
this
experience than working on an isolated project.
Of course, you could also just make your own software art
as a
project
;)
a.
I'm hoping to be able to contribute something valuable
not only
to
the
open source community but to artists working with linux.
thank you for your time,
Mikko
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Well, Ubuntu studio is based in Ubuntu, not Debian, and I tell from
experience thats a big diference, and the reason why I change to
pure:dyne.
First I try Ustudio, then 64studio (etch version) a lot better , but
the people of 64 studio change to hardy in 3.0, so I change to PD. My
reasons are because performance-filosofy. Debian always probed to be
much stable, i dont feel compromise in the people of Ubuntu studio,
etc.
I see a great compromise in the people from Ardour for example, and I
think if we want more people coming to FLOSS we need 2 or 3 great
programs in each field, and no 20.000 little projects.
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