On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 11:43:34 PM UTC-4, Francesco wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 9:47 PM, Eva Star <eva...@openmailbox.org> wrote:
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> On 08/02/2017 03:04 AM, cooloutac wrote:
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> > oh ok I see,  so a taskbar widget or something to replace the
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> > manager.  I thought they lost their minds for a second. My
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> > immediate thought was what about attaching drives, and seeing if
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> > updates available?  Joanna addressed all my concerns but I'm gonna
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> > have to wait and see what happens with this.   Hopefully it doesn't
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> > turn out to be more confusing then the manager.
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> It is a miscalculation. How about the words "we must make Qubes user
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> friendly for all users non IT advanced" and release Qubes without
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> manager? :(
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> Maybe, widgets is not a good idea, but Qubes Manager is one of the
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> important part that make Qubes useful to manage all vms with mouse.
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> Some UX to old one QM + start menu links to right mouse action and it
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> will be amazing.
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> Well, I never use the start menu on the left lower side of the screen because 
> it is too complicated, too many items and needs customization that I am too 
> lazy to do or have better things to do. I do everything with the Qubes 
> Manager that is so well organized and compact. I am afraid that the new 
> arrangement may make things more difficult to find for a new user since items 
> are spread over different buttons/places.   
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> I would suggest to mitigate this risk putting links to the other places on 
> the widget/window that opens when you click on one of them. You can separate 
> things, but better put links to find them again.
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> Also I imagine that somewhere I'll find the list of VMs. There please 
> 1. keep the "run command in VM" choice and 
> 2. add something new: the chance to show only preferred VM
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> The first is very important to avoid using the start button.
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> The second is important to simplify the view and speed up the most common 
> routines
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> Cooloutac made me smile telling of his mother and family using Qubes.  I had 
> my wife using Qubes for some years, but recently she rised up against Qubes 
> telling that it is too complicated for her to be able to master it without 
> help. She wanted a Mac.  Really it is impossible to maintain Qubes without 
> the CLI and this makes it beyond limits for most people.  But perhaps if we 
> are able to find a stable architecture and then Qubes matures enough, this 
> may change. But we are not there yet.
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> Best
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> Fran
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I always wished the start menu was organized identical to the qubes-manger.  
IMO thats what made it confusing for some.

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