Correct me if I'm wrong, Duane. But weren't the 
original "merit pins" used to be patches?
Geno Plares
> 
> --- "Jose F. Rodriguez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Dear Spirit Rider,
> > 
> >     I've noticed two things in these disscussions, we commanders have
> > been
> > having regarding the RR uniforms, and that is the comparison with the
> > Boy
> > Scouts and the comparison with the military.  Either one (or both) of
> > these
> > issue come up when we disscuss the Ranger uniforms.  Why? 
> 
> *I happen to know<G>
> 
> Haveing been thar- in 1962.. and being a Scouter and Viet-Vet
> I have a unique perspective<G>  ..and as I get older, I see why
> my son thinks I'm full of beans<G>
> 
> BSA-
> ----
> First- *Boy Scouts came from the writeings of a British Army
> Officer who discovered that boys had used his field manual to
> play an grand outdoor game, and developed a *program to invite
> other boys.  Uniform was ment to cover the social-economic
> differences, and create a even playing field, for the boys..
> Milsup was availible and sturdy enough for boys to play hard!
> 
> *Nuf-said.. more hot air availible on request<G>
> 
> US Mil-Vet
> ----------
> 
> I was taught how to march in BootCamp<G> and thought..
> When I get back, my Ranger outpost is going to get the blessing
> out of my US Gov training!  Royal Rangers in 1962 was only 17
> years following the end of WW2, and the experiance was powerful
> and universal in scope.
> 
> WW2 era Kahki was identical to the "Dicki" style work wear and
> Trailblazer rank seemed like military Chevrons.. "Commander"
> actualy went out to the surplus store and bought USArmy "Captian"
> rank ensignia..
> 
> When National Commander came.. we all were impressed with his
> "Gold Star" rank and even refered to him as "General Johnnie Barnes"
> 
> *Early in Royal Ranger history-
> 
> The "feel" was outright "paraMilitary" and few had an understanding
> about why not to bark like Drill sargents and order "push-up's
> forever". During this time, of pre-VietNam involvement.. RRangers
> began to develop the Drill flag team and chrome helmet version of
> what you see with the VFW<G> (*Veterens of foriegn wars)
> 
> White  gloves and white pistol belts.. Rifle drill ect.
> 
> *THEN 1964-65 Johnnie came back-
> 
> "er.. knock off the white belt stuff"
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Because when
> > the
> > Royal Ranger uniform was designed it had some inspiration from the Boy
> > Scout
> > uniform and some inspiration from military uniforms as well.
> 
> Excellent observation<G>
> 
> Cdr.Johnnie saw that the para-military direction was not in line
> with his dream of a "Western Adventure" and along the way he came
> to understand the reasons that boy scouts echo a softer "Forest
> Ranger attitude" and outdoor adventure program.
> 
> The first programs were Pioneers and Trailblazer/Air and Sea ranger
> then a shift to a western theam for Buckaroo's, followed by FCF
> to head off the rush into becomeing wanna-be Green Berets!<G>
> 
> (*In the old days those funny "tent" hats were the pits!..
> Scouts then had those snappy RED BERETS!)
> 
> *more on request-
> Doc
> 
>   For
> > example
> > the current merit pins, Class B ribbons, the medals, the name tag, the
> > commander bars,  etc. have a military influence, while the patches,
> > Buckaroo
> > Neckerchief, Straight Arrows vest, are inspired by the Boy Scouts.  In
> > fact
> > in my opinion if you took away the patches from the Khaki uniforms they
> > would look like a military uniform.  This is my observation anyway.
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Spirit Rider" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 8:11 AM
> > Subject: Re: [RR] Camo uniforms?
> > 
> > 
> > > Bob,
> > > What's so hard to understand?
> > > Rangers is NOT military.
> > >
> > > Noel"Spirit Rider"Bell
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