I agree that Dennis should be part of this group. I have learned much from him and hope to continue learning.
Anyone that wishes to not communicate with Dennis can simply delete any messages with his name on them. That is the right and priviledge of every person on this list. Nobody, however, should have the right to tell me that I cannot communicate with him. Just another $0.02.... Dale --- Ken Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > By the topic of this email I am requesting > Dennis be re-subscribed to the > list. I am also requesting others request the > same if they wish to see his > input. > > This is not a "popularity" contest nor a vote > of confidence in RBTI or > Dennis, it is a sincere desire to see a > valuable resource retained. > > Response to prior email follows: > > > Dear Ken Brown and Bill Cook; > > > > I am not going to waste more time then > necessary on this newsgroup > > to discuss issues that NEITHER of you two > have any clue about. > > What I posted had nothing to do with your > personal matters. I do not nbeed > to know the facts of any disputes, as my > comments were directed toward > conduct in a professional manner that > transcends the particular facts. > > <snip personal remarks directed toward Dennis> > > Why continue this? It is this precise > continuation of a dispute that should > be avoided and taken private. You have nothing > to defend, and to begin > defending here certainly will raise a few > eyebrows. > > > Furthermore, we WILL NOT tolerate vulgarisms > that are aimed at ANY > > individual, RBTI employee or not. These are > things that ARE within > > our control, and we will take ALL necessary > actions to resolve them. > > I am pleased you have such a policy. Are the > capitals particularly > necessary for emphasis? > > > My statement about his presence not being > benevolent and helpful, AT > > THIS POINT, was completely justified by this > last exchange. Look at > > No sir, I respectfully disagree. If any issue > discussed "clears the air" > and allows the future to move more smoothly, it > is a Very Good Thing. The > loss of Dennis as a contributor is a Bad Thing > for the R:Base community, > IMO. And "90%" certainly makes things sound > very bad, but I doubt the > number is 90%. Even so, occasional > housecleaning is not a Bad Thing as > people do get to vent and clear the air of > frustrations, etc. Many > companies provide forums for just such a > purpose, so it is not an unusual > thing. > > > Productive, I don't think so. In addition, > have you EVER seen ANY > > other member of this newsgroup "accidentally" > post messages of > > vulgar or demeaning nature? Once again, I > don't think so. > > I have seen misdirected email many times. Have > done it myself a few times. > The content is irrelevent, it is the act of > misdirecting an email that is at > issue. *Regardless*, Dennis apologized > immediately after he realized it was > misdirected and that should have been > sufficient. It is sufficient for me > in my professional capacity. If it were me > personally, it might be another > issue, but my personal issues will not creep > into the list. > > > If Dennis wants to take is ball and go home, > that is his choice. Both > > of you have the same choice as well. We > appreciate EVERY customer's > > support and feedback, BUT we will not have > people telling us how to > > run our business. > > I am very interested in this response as you > appear to be antagonistic > toward me. I have done nothing to raise such > antagonism, or so I thought. > If I have, I apologize as it was not my intent. > Please also be aware your > overall "tone" reminds me of a dictatorial "if > you don't like it, tough!" > attitude. If I am mistaken in my > interpretation, I do not mind being > corrected and welcome same. > > I also note that you did not answer my prior > questions regarding the list - > is this list owned and controlled by RBTI? (I > sure miss Harry Bass ...) Is > the content controlled by RBTI? Must one avoid > being "out of favor" at RBTI > to be a member of this list? These are > legitimate questions and are in no > way intended to be an insult to you or your > company. > > Dennis aplogized. He deserves to be reading > and posting to this list just > like everyone else and under the same rules and > criteria as everyone else. > If such an incident occurs in the future, I > don't think anyone would have > objections to his ability to post being > removed. > > Nobody is telling you how to run a business, > nor even hinting at same. Some > suggestions and personal anecdotes have been > offered regarding how to handle > problems, etc., but that is hardly telling you > how to run your business. Do > you think your response might be a tad > over-reacting at this point? > > If I find myself un-subscribed from the list > due to this exchange I will be > sorely disappointed. > > > Mr. Brown also makes mention of my position > and stature at RBTI. The > > answer to that question is YES sir, I do have > the ability and authority > > to represent RBTI in a matter of this nature. > And, I have represented the > > collective view of the employees here at RBTI > in making my statements. > > Thank you for the clarification. > > > This is NOT a personal issue between Dennis > and myself. If you talked > > It is personal somewhere, and it can certainly > stop right now. The > consistant use of capitals for emphasis in your > response lead me to believe > this issue is getting out of hand and some "bad > blood" exists somewhere. > > <snip more personal remarks directed at Dennis> > > > At this point, Mr. McGrath has been > involuntarily un-subscribed from > > this list at the discretion of the list > manager (obviously someone else > > can see that this is a continuing problem), > and hopefully, everything > > will be put to rest so that this group can > get back to what it was > > intended for. > > I wish him re-instated. As a member of this > list I found nothing so > reprehensible in his post and apology that > deserves a permanent ban. > Dennis, as a resource to the R:Base community, > is important. > > Does the list manager have the ability to > reinstate him without your > approval? If so, I ask that all member of the > list that wish to see Dennis > re-subscribed send an email to the list manager > (not the list itself to > avoid cloggint the list), with a copy to Mike > and Dennis. > > > In closing, I will say that I am extremely > disappointed at Mr. Cook's > > statement " I don't know just what the > problem is between Dennis and > > Razzak, but I agree with everything Ken > says." How can you come to > > conclusion WITHOUT knowing all the facts? > Isn't this counterintuitive > > to the democratic system? > > He was responding to the overall theme, not > your personal issues with > Dennis. I am not siding with anyone, either. > FWIW, I am disappointed you > felt it necessary to remark upon Mr. Cook's > statement while at the same time > encouraging the issue to be dropped. > > And as to democracy ... why not let the users > of the list decide if they > wish to see Dennis participate, not those who > have personal involvement? If > Dennis and RBTI wish to continue their > struggles in private, so be it. The > list doesn't need to be invloved, nor should it > be. Dennis apologized and > it should have ended there; other parties > escalated the entire affair. > > If you wish to continue this email, I am > willing to do so ... I won't be > posting to the list again on this issue. > > Regards, > > K R Brown > > ================================================ > TO SEE MESSAGE POSTING GUIDELINES: > Send a plain text email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the message body, put just two words: INTRO > rbase-l > ================================================ > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the message body, put just two words: > UNSUBSCRIBE rbase-l > ================================================ > TO SEARCH ARCHIVES: > http://www.mail-archive.com/rbase-l%40sonetmail.com/ ===== Dale W. 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