If the Sox had an iPod touch running the team in 1978 there never would have been talk of a curse.
I believe Rickey Henderson played left field most of his career and I seem to remember Mickey Rivers as a poor defensive player -- but I'm old. Steve O On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 9:48 AM, Beaudoin, John <[email protected]>wrote: > You need a cannon for an arm when you can’t get to balls that a guy like > Ellsbury gets to. It’s simple to see when they each have their positions. > Like Mickey Rivers and Ricky Henderson and all those speedy guys in center. > > > > As far as “If you don't use stats what do you use?it's all you have in > baseball. “ goes, well, I don’t know what else to say. I guess there is > no need for any team to have scouts. You can just look at stats. There’s > no need for voting of any kind for MVP or the like because we can just use > stats. My point has always been that members of this group seem to rely > upon stats alone to make decisions for them. I like to go by “feeling” and > derive my opinions from things I see, hear, and read about a player in > addition to the stats. I don’t throw them out. But I temper them with > reality. If someone is hitting behind Manny his entire career, he’s going > to have different stats than someone hitting behind Alex Gonzalez his entire > career. But he may be a victim of circumstance and you can’t say he’s any > better or worse of a hitter based on stats alone. This is where opinion and > circumstance comes into play. Stats can be deceiving. If the managers and > coaches in MLB relied on stats alone, then they could be swapped out for an > IPod Touch. > > > > John > ------------------------------ > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Tom Salemi > *Sent:* Thursday, December 17, 2009 10:29 PM > > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: Dealing Ellsbury? > > > > He's got a cannon for an arm. Need Drew in right. > > > > On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 10:24 PM, Charles Battikha <[email protected]> > wrote: > > If you don't use stats what do you use?it's all you have in baseball. > > Sent from my iPod > > > > > On Dec 17, 2009, at 9:37 PM, "Beaudoin, John" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Well then Sox mgt has been making a mistake for years not having Drew in > center. > > I never said I thought Ellsbury was great or that I wouldn't trade him. I > merely take exception to the reliance upon stats to determine his defensive > worth. > > > ------------------------------ > > *From*: [email protected] <[email protected]> > *To*: [email protected] <[email protected]> > *Sent*: Thu Dec 17 18:27:28 2009 > *Subject*: RE: Dealing Ellsbury? > > JD Drew really is a great defensive OFer. He tracks down everything and > makes it look easy. I always tell my kids to watch JD in the OF. > > > > How do Youk and Lowell compare at 3B? > > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Charles Battikha > *Sent:* Thursday, December 17, 2009 8:12 PM > *To:* <[email protected]>[email protected] > *Subject:* Re: Dealing Ellsbury? > > If you believe in Zone Rating, then: > > > > Jacoby Ellsbury is not a defensive star. He's actually rated lower than > Jason Bay in Zone Rating. > > JD Drew is best in the OF for the Red Sox. > > MIke Cameron is also very high. Equal to Drew. > > And Youkilis is better than Adrian Gonzalez at 1st Base for a zone > rating > > > > Having said that. I'm not sold on trading Ellsbury. > > I like having that kind of player on the team. That can make something > happen with speed. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 17, 2009, at 7:36 PM, Ray Salemi wrote: > > > > Amazing. > > A defensive gem whose been proven not to reach as many balls as other > players. > > I wonder if he'd have to dive less if he got a better jump. > > On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Beaudoin, John <<[email protected]> > [email protected]> wrote: > > Hmmm. You mean stats and numbers don't accurately represent a player's > worth? > > Blasphemer. > > Defensively he's a gem. Had a good year at the plate, too. He gets to balls > and makes hits into outs. He almost gets to balls and a few times makes hits > into errors. > > He freaks out pitchers on the bases. Speed is important. > > So, I like him. He's a proven ML player. > > > ------------------------------ > > *From*: <[email protected]>[email protected] > <<[email protected]> > [email protected]> > *To*: <[email protected]>[email protected] > <<[email protected]> > [email protected]> > > *Sent*: Thu Dec 17 13:24:27 2009 > *Subject*: Re: Dealing Ellsbury? > > I don't think "ironic" is the word you are looking for. > > I think you are looking for "typical". > > On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 4:23 PM, William Marino <<[email protected]> > [email protected]> wrote: > > Ironic. Ellsbury just won <http://MLB.com>MLB.com's Defensive Player of > the Year. > > > > > > > -- > Author of "Leading After a Layoff: Reignite Your Team's Productivity in > Just 12 Weeks" > <http://www.leadingafteralayoff.com/>www.leadingafteralayoff.com > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Red Sox Citizens" group. > To post to this group, send email to <[email protected]> > [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > <redsoxcitizens%[email protected]> > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > <http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en> > http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Red Sox Citizens" group. > To post to this group, send email to <[email protected]> > [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > <redsoxcitizens%[email protected]> > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > <http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en> > http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. > > > > > -- > Author of "Leading After a Layoff: Reignite Your Team's Productivity in > Just 12 Weeks" > <http://www.leadingafteralayoff.com/>www.leadingafteralayoff.com > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Red Sox Citizens" group. > To post to this group, send email to <[email protected]> > [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > <[email protected]> > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > <http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en> > http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Red Sox Citizens" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Red Sox Citizens" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Red Sox Citizens" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Red Sox Citizens" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<redsoxcitizens%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Red Sox Citizens" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<redsoxcitizens%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Red Sox Citizens" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<redsoxcitizens%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Red Sox Citizens" group. 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