Okay, I did my math wrong. SLG would be 580 and OBS would be 862
On Dec 18, 2009, at 4:06 PM, Charles Battikha wrote: > Another stat for Jacoby.... > > If you take into account 70 steals/12 caught stealing, you have > > BA: 285 > OB: 334 > SLG: 468 > OBS: 802 > > > > > On Dec 18, 2009, at 12:05 PM, Ray Salemi wrote: > >> It's actually worse than Power/Speed. It's hitting speed. >> >> here are the BA/OBA/SLG/OPS numbers for both from last year. >> >> Ellsbury: >> >> .301 .355 .415 .770 >> >> Gonzalez: >> .277 .407 .551 .958 >> >> No contest. >> >> Gonzalez gets on base more often and hit's the ball further. >> >> Ray >> >> PS. This is a great example of the limitations of batting average. >> >> On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Matt & Olga McSorley >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> We've devolved into the scout/stat argument again. Here is the real issue in >> making the decision to trade Ellsbury for Adrian Gonzalez: >> >> Power>Speed. >> >> -- Matt >> >> From: Ray Salemi <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Fri, December 18, 2009 11:46:29 AM >> Subject: Re: Dealing Ellsbury? >> >> I am ashamed. >> >> On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >> Chain of Command was a Star Trek: The Next Generation episode.....c'mon >> people. >> >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 11:08 AM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >> "Stat's are valuable" First time I've ever heard you utter that phrase on >> this list. >> >> And who doesn't want to hear about Deep Space Nine? (That was an obscure >> reference. Good job!) >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Beaudoin, John <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> If you’re going to use my name, then please don’t speak for me and say that >> I dismiss stats completely. I fully admit they are valuable and my point, >> yet again, is that some people look only at the stats. Why can’t someone >> say that they like the way a guy plays. Based on Pedroia’s statiscal body >> size and weight, he shouldn’t have been given a chance. Thank God there are >> scouts who see beyond stats. Or will you argue that weight and height are >> not stats? >> >> >> How can you possibly say that objective counting says that Ellsbury doesn’t >> get to as many balls? And who the heck wants to hear about Star Trek Deep >> Space Nine during a baseball discussion? How many players compared to >> Ellsbury in centerfield have to play in a ballpark with a friggin triangle >> and a center field that is laid out just like Fenway Park? Because of all >> the variables in baseball, you can’t draw concrete conclusions. You’re >> entitled to your opinion, but you should not tell me my opinion and then >> argue against it. Stats are valuable, but they are only a piece of what I >> use to form my opinions. I believe that others on here talk stats all the >> time and I don’t use anything but stats to form their opinions. Or am I to >> believe that the few people on here who think Ellsbury isn’t as good a >> centerfielder as JD Drew is a rightfielder must be smarter than … say … 95% >> of the fans of baseball? >> >> >> John >> >> >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ray Salemi >> Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 10:47 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: Dealing Ellsbury? >> >> >> I think Bill James would be unhappy to hear his name used this way. >> >> On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 10:05 AM, William Marino <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> I will take a good scout, with a proven track record, over Bill James any >> day of the week. >> >> >> I got to see Bill James speak at the Museum of Science and I asked him a >> question about this topic. I asked him if teams go through all this >> statistical analysis, but then make the decision based on the opinion that >> "he has a pretty swing." >> >> Bill James actually batted me down a bit in his answer. He said that he >> felt this question of stats vs. scouts was a false question. He believes >> that while stats are valuable, and need to be used, that scouts have >> thousands of hours of experience and also know what they are talking about. >> >> John's mistake has been to dismiss stats completely, as he did earlier in >> the thread. Stats provide insight. They especially provide insight to >> those of use who do not have thousands of hours watching ballplayers and who >> don't watch them every day. Fans are especially prone to only remember >> plays that support their opinion. >> >> John claims that Ellbury gets to more balls than most players, but objective >> counting says Ellsbury doesn't. In this case, intuition has to give way to >> counting. 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