How did you do that transformation? On 12/18/09, Charles Battikha <[email protected]> wrote: > Another stat for Jacoby.... > > If you take into account 70 steals/12 caught stealing, you have > > BA: 285 > OB: 334 > SLG: 468 > OBS: 802 > > > > > On Dec 18, 2009, at 12:05 PM, Ray Salemi wrote: > >> It's actually worse than Power/Speed. It's hitting speed. >> >> here are the BA/OBA/SLG/OPS numbers for both from last year. >> >> Ellsbury: >> >> .301 .355 .415 .770 >> >> Gonzalez: >> .277 .407 .551 .958 >> >> No contest. >> >> Gonzalez gets on base more often and hit's the ball further. >> >> Ray >> >> PS. This is a great example of the limitations of batting average. >> >> On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Matt & Olga McSorley >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> We've devolved into the scout/stat argument again. Here is the real issue >> in making the decision to trade Ellsbury for Adrian Gonzalez: >> >> Power>Speed. >> >> -- Matt >> >> From: Ray Salemi <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Fri, December 18, 2009 11:46:29 AM >> Subject: Re: Dealing Ellsbury? >> >> I am ashamed. >> >> On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >> Chain of Command was a Star Trek: The Next Generation episode.....c'mon >> people. >> >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 11:08 AM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >> "Stat's are valuable" First time I've ever heard you utter that phrase on >> this list. >> >> And who doesn't want to hear about Deep Space Nine? (That was an obscure >> reference. Good job!) >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Beaudoin, John >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> If you’re going to use my name, then please don’t speak for me and say >> that I dismiss stats completely. I fully admit they are valuable and my >> point, yet again, is that some people look only at the stats. Why can’t >> someone say that they like the way a guy plays. Based on Pedroia’s >> statiscal body size and weight, he shouldn’t have been given a chance. >> Thank God there are scouts who see beyond stats. Or will you argue that >> weight and height are not stats? >> >> >> How can you possibly say that objective counting says that Ellsbury >> doesn’t get to as many balls? And who the heck wants to hear about Star >> Trek Deep Space Nine during a baseball discussion? How many players >> compared to Ellsbury in centerfield have to play in a ballpark with a >> friggin triangle and a center field that is laid out just like Fenway >> Park? Because of all the variables in baseball, you can’t draw concrete >> conclusions. You’re entitled to your opinion, but you should not tell me >> my opinion and then argue against it. Stats are valuable, but they are >> only a piece of what I use to form my opinions. I believe that others on >> here talk stats all the time and I don’t use anything but stats to form >> their opinions. Or am I to believe that the few people on here who think >> Ellsbury isn’t as good a centerfielder as JD Drew is a rightfielder must >> be smarter than … say … 95% of the fans of baseball? >> >> >> John >> >> >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ray Salemi >> Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 10:47 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: Dealing Ellsbury? >> >> >> I think Bill James would be unhappy to hear his name used this way. >> >> On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 10:05 AM, William Marino <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> I will take a good scout, with a proven track record, over Bill James any >> day of the week. >> >> >> I got to see Bill James speak at the Museum of Science and I asked him a >> question about this topic. I asked him if teams go through all this >> statistical analysis, but then make the decision based on the opinion that >> "he has a pretty swing." >> >> Bill James actually batted me down a bit in his answer. He said that he >> felt this question of stats vs. scouts was a false question. He believes >> that while stats are valuable, and need to be used, that scouts have >> thousands of hours of experience and also know what they are talking >> about. >> >> John's mistake has been to dismiss stats completely, as he did earlier in >> the thread. Stats provide insight. They especially provide insight to >> those of use who do not have thousands of hours watching ballplayers and >> who don't watch them every day. Fans are especially prone to only >> remember plays that support their opinion. >> >> John claims that Ellbury gets to more balls than most players, but >> objective counting says Ellsbury doesn't. In this case, intuition has to >> give way to counting. 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