188 hits
= 143 Singles
27 doubles
10 Triples
8 HRs
Add 70SBs - 12CS and you have the equivalent of
61 Singles
75 Doubles
10 Triples
8 HRs
I
On Dec 18, 2009, at 4:46 PM, Ray Salemi wrote:
> How did you do that transformation?
>
> On 12/18/09, Charles Battikha <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Another stat for Jacoby....
>>
>> If you take into account 70 steals/12 caught stealing, you have
>>
>> BA: 285
>> OB: 334
>> SLG: 468
>> OBS: 802
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 18, 2009, at 12:05 PM, Ray Salemi wrote:
>>
>>> It's actually worse than Power/Speed. It's hitting speed.
>>>
>>> here are the BA/OBA/SLG/OPS numbers for both from last year.
>>>
>>> Ellsbury:
>>>
>>> .301 .355 .415 .770
>>>
>>> Gonzalez:
>>> .277 .407 .551 .958
>>>
>>> No contest.
>>>
>>> Gonzalez gets on base more often and hit's the ball further.
>>>
>>> Ray
>>>
>>> PS. This is a great example of the limitations of batting average.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Matt & Olga McSorley
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> We've devolved into the scout/stat argument again. Here is the real issue
>>> in making the decision to trade Ellsbury for Adrian Gonzalez:
>>>
>>> Power>Speed.
>>>
>>> -- Matt
>>>
>>> From: Ray Salemi <[email protected]>
>>> To: [email protected]
>>> Sent: Fri, December 18, 2009 11:46:29 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Dealing Ellsbury?
>>>
>>> I am ashamed.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Chain of Command was a Star Trek: The Next Generation episode.....c'mon
>>> people.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 11:08 AM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> "Stat's are valuable" First time I've ever heard you utter that phrase on
>>> this list.
>>>
>>> And who doesn't want to hear about Deep Space Nine? (That was an obscure
>>> reference. Good job!)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Beaudoin, John
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> If you’re going to use my name, then please don’t speak for me and say
>>> that I dismiss stats completely. I fully admit they are valuable and my
>>> point, yet again, is that some people look only at the stats. Why can’t
>>> someone say that they like the way a guy plays. Based on Pedroia’s
>>> statiscal body size and weight, he shouldn’t have been given a chance.
>>> Thank God there are scouts who see beyond stats. Or will you argue that
>>> weight and height are not stats?
>>>
>>>
>>> How can you possibly say that objective counting says that Ellsbury
>>> doesn’t get to as many balls? And who the heck wants to hear about Star
>>> Trek Deep Space Nine during a baseball discussion? How many players
>>> compared to Ellsbury in centerfield have to play in a ballpark with a
>>> friggin triangle and a center field that is laid out just like Fenway
>>> Park? Because of all the variables in baseball, you can’t draw concrete
>>> conclusions. You’re entitled to your opinion, but you should not tell me
>>> my opinion and then argue against it. Stats are valuable, but they are
>>> only a piece of what I use to form my opinions. I believe that others on
>>> here talk stats all the time and I don’t use anything but stats to form
>>> their opinions. Or am I to believe that the few people on here who think
>>> Ellsbury isn’t as good a centerfielder as JD Drew is a rightfielder must
>>> be smarter than … say … 95% of the fans of baseball?
>>>
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>> From: [email protected]
>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ray Salemi
>>> Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 10:47 AM
>>> To: [email protected]
>>> Subject: Re: Dealing Ellsbury?
>>>
>>>
>>> I think Bill James would be unhappy to hear his name used this way.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 10:05 AM, William Marino <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I will take a good scout, with a proven track record, over Bill James any
>>> day of the week.
>>>
>>>
>>> I got to see Bill James speak at the Museum of Science and I asked him a
>>> question about this topic. I asked him if teams go through all this
>>> statistical analysis, but then make the decision based on the opinion that
>>> "he has a pretty swing."
>>>
>>> Bill James actually batted me down a bit in his answer. He said that he
>>> felt this question of stats vs. scouts was a false question. He believes
>>> that while stats are valuable, and need to be used, that scouts have
>>> thousands of hours of experience and also know what they are talking
>>> about.
>>>
>>> John's mistake has been to dismiss stats completely, as he did earlier in
>>> the thread. Stats provide insight. They especially provide insight to
>>> those of use who do not have thousands of hours watching ballplayers and
>>> who don't watch them every day. Fans are especially prone to only
>>> remember plays that support their opinion.
>>>
>>> John claims that Ellbury gets to more balls than most players, but
>>> objective counting says Ellsbury doesn't. In this case, intuition has to
>>> give way to counting. I'm sorry, but no amount of intuition will make the
>>> number four into the number five (even if you are being tortured by a
>>> Cardassian sadist).
>>>
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