"Stat's are valuable" First time I've ever heard you utter that phrase on this list.
And who* doesn't *want to hear about Deep Space Nine? (That was an obscure reference. Good job!) On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Beaudoin, John <[email protected]>wrote: > If you’re going to use my name, then please don’t speak for me and say > that I dismiss stats completely. I fully admit they are valuable and my > point, yet again, is that some people look only at the stats. Why can’t > someone say that they like the way a guy plays. Based on Pedroia’s > statiscal body size and weight, he shouldn’t have been given a chance. > Thank God there are scouts who see beyond stats. Or will you argue that > weight and height are not stats? > > > > How can you possibly say that objective counting says that Ellsbury doesn’t > get to as many balls? And who the heck wants to hear about Star Trek Deep > Space Nine during a baseball discussion? How many players compared to > Ellsbury in centerfield have to play in a ballpark with a friggin triangle > and a center field that is laid out just like Fenway Park? Because of all > the variables in baseball, you can’t draw concrete conclusions. You’re > entitled to your opinion, but you should not tell me my opinion and then > argue against it. Stats are valuable, but they are only a piece of what I > use to form my opinions. I believe that others on here talk stats all the > time and I don’t use anything but stats to form their opinions. Or am I to > believe that the few people on here who think Ellsbury isn’t as good a > centerfielder as JD Drew is a rightfielder must be smarter than … say … 95% > of the fans of baseball? > > > > John > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Ray Salemi > *Sent:* Friday, December 18, 2009 10:47 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: Dealing Ellsbury? > > > > I think Bill James would be unhappy to hear his name used this way. > > On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 10:05 AM, William Marino <[email protected]> > wrote: > > I will take a good scout, with a proven track record, over Bill James any > day of the week. > > > I got to see Bill James speak at the Museum of Science and I asked him a > question about this topic. I asked him if teams go through all this > statistical analysis, but then make the decision based on the opinion that > "he has a pretty swing." > > Bill James actually batted me down a bit in his answer. He said that he > felt this question of stats vs. scouts was a false question. He believes > that while stats are valuable, and need to be used, that scouts have > thousands of hours of experience and also know what they are talking about. > > John's mistake has been to dismiss stats completely, as he did earlier in > the thread. Stats provide insight. They especially provide insight to > those of use who do not have thousands of hours watching ballplayers and who > don't watch them every day. Fans are especially prone to only remember > plays that support their opinion. > > John claims that Ellbury gets to more balls than most players, but > objective counting says Ellsbury doesn't. In this case, intuition has to > give way to counting. I'm sorry, but no amount of intuition will make the > number four into the number five (even if you are being tortured by a > Cardassian sadist). > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Red Sox Citizens" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<redsoxcitizens%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Red Sox Citizens" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<redsoxcitizens%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. > -- Author of "Leading After a Layoff: Reignite Your Team's Productivity in Just 12 Weeks" www.leadingafteralayoff.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Red Sox Citizens" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en.
