Chain of Command was a Star Trek: The Next Generation episode.....c'mon people.
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 11:08 AM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: > "Stat's are valuable" First time I've ever heard you utter that phrase on > this list. > > And who* doesn't *want to hear about Deep Space Nine? (That was an > obscure reference. Good job!) > > > On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Beaudoin, John <[email protected] > > wrote: > >> If you’re going to use my name, then please don’t speak for me and say >> that I dismiss stats completely. I fully admit they are valuable and my >> point, yet again, is that some people look only at the stats. Why can’t >> someone say that they like the way a guy plays. Based on Pedroia’s >> statiscal body size and weight, he shouldn’t have been given a chance. >> Thank God there are scouts who see beyond stats. Or will you argue that >> weight and height are not stats? >> >> >> >> How can you possibly say that objective counting says that Ellsbury >> doesn’t get to as many balls? And who the heck wants to hear about Star >> Trek Deep Space Nine during a baseball discussion? How many players >> compared to Ellsbury in centerfield have to play in a ballpark with a >> friggin triangle and a center field that is laid out just like Fenway Park? >> Because of all the variables in baseball, you can’t draw concrete >> conclusions. You’re entitled to your opinion, but you should not tell me my >> opinion and then argue against it. Stats are valuable, but they are only a >> piece of what I use to form my opinions. I believe that others on here talk >> stats all the time and I don’t use anything but stats to form their >> opinions. Or am I to believe that the few people on here who think Ellsbury >> isn’t as good a centerfielder as JD Drew is a rightfielder must be smarter >> than … say … 95% of the fans of baseball? >> >> >> >> John >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From:* [email protected] [mailto: >> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Ray Salemi >> *Sent:* Friday, December 18, 2009 10:47 AM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: Dealing Ellsbury? >> >> >> >> I think Bill James would be unhappy to hear his name used this way. >> >> On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 10:05 AM, William Marino <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> I will take a good scout, with a proven track record, over Bill James any >> day of the week. >> >> >> I got to see Bill James speak at the Museum of Science and I asked him a >> question about this topic. I asked him if teams go through all this >> statistical analysis, but then make the decision based on the opinion that >> "he has a pretty swing." >> >> Bill James actually batted me down a bit in his answer. He said that he >> felt this question of stats vs. scouts was a false question. He believes >> that while stats are valuable, and need to be used, that scouts have >> thousands of hours of experience and also know what they are talking about. >> >> John's mistake has been to dismiss stats completely, as he did earlier in >> the thread. Stats provide insight. They especially provide insight to >> those of use who do not have thousands of hours watching ballplayers and who >> don't watch them every day. Fans are especially prone to only remember >> plays that support their opinion. >> >> John claims that Ellbury gets to more balls than most players, but >> objective counting says Ellsbury doesn't. In this case, intuition has to >> give way to counting. I'm sorry, but no amount of intuition will make the >> number four into the number five (even if you are being tortured by a >> Cardassian sadist). >> >> -- >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Red Sox Citizens" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]<redsoxcitizens%[email protected]> >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Red Sox Citizens" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]<redsoxcitizens%[email protected]> >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > Author of "Leading After a Layoff: Reignite Your Team's Productivity in > Just 12 Weeks" > www.leadingafteralayoff.com > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Red Sox Citizens" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<redsoxcitizens%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Red Sox Citizens" group. 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