Perhaps the comparison to the xml-stylesheet PI is insufficient, and an 
association PI will never warrant recognition under a standards body.  
The effort to harmonize you seek is more comparable to EXSLT, a 
"community initiative".

I agree with B. Tommie regarding the checklist tendency. I've also seen 
corporate types accept a poor practice because it was given a buzzword 
and the appearance of standards compliance. But that's a general problem 
in this industry.

It might mitigate the concern if the PI were a nameless, minor, 
non-normative appendix attached to some other initiative. But if it is 
such a quick and ad-hoc thing, just a matter of vendors agreeing with 
one another on what they already do, why not just do it outside of a 
standards track? If EXSLT could be brought together through individual 
effort, surely a few editor vendors can agree on one PI.

Jirka Kosek wrote:

> B Tommie Usdin wrote:
>
>> Following this logic, it would never be legitimate for anyone every to
>> argue not to standardize anything; if anybody wants a standard we have
>> to have it. This makes be quite uncomfortable because there is so much
>> pressure on so many people to adhere to every possible standard.
>>
>>> For me it is evident that there is a need for some ad-hoc mechanism.
>>
>>
>> There are ad hoc mechanisms. You want to replace the ad hoc 
>> mechanisms with a standard.
>
>
> There is probably some misunderstanding here. By using word 
> "standardize" I don't mean "put ISO/W3C/OASIS stamp on it" and force 
> everyone to use it. I mean: "Sit down and think. We have <?foo in 
> product A, <?bar in product B, <?other in proposal from C, ... They 
> have the same semantics. So lets replace them with one uniform 
> instruction <?schema. It would allow better interoperability between 
> tools (that currently uses proprietary instructions) and users will be 
> more happy. No one loses."
>
> This would be sufficient from my point of view. The same way as SAX 
> interface was "standardized".
>
> I suppose that you live in USA, and there is probably completely 
> different legal system in the area of standards. In my country if 
> there is ISO standard for something there is no law saying that you 
> must conform to it. This is valid only in some areas which are more 
> regulated. But if you must adhere to all ISO standards that are 
> published in some area then I can understand your resistence against 
> new real standards.
>
> Would you be more comfortable with some schema association proposal if 
> it is named "informal community agreement" instead of "standard"?
>
>                 Jirka
>




 
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