Kudos #2, Dave.  I have seen something like the P:87 loop you mentioned in a 
video on some web site.  Some guy took a very tight radius oval on a hand-held 
board with two or three P:87 wheel equipped cars on it, held the board in his 
hands and moved the board around so that the cars rolled around the track.  
NEVER ONCE did they derail... and they got up to a fairly high speed at least a 
few times.

As for the reliability of P:64 wheels... surely there will be some 
'forgiveness' when they are used in sprung trucks (as opposed to rigid trucks). 
 Comparing freight trucks to locomotive trucks... once can almost expect to 
have more trouble from the loco than the sprung freight truck since the axles 
on the loco do not has as much (if any) freedom for the axles to 'twist' in the 
assembly... which can lead to varying amounts of down force on each wheel on 
less than perfect track.  Naturally, when one wheel 'gets light', it will have 
more tendency to ride up on the rail.

So very good to excellent track is almost a necessity for P:64.  But who (in 
their right mind) would WANT anything less even when using all code 110 
wheels?!?  Easy is cheesy, great is worth the wait (and effort)... which 
explains why 1:1 railroads used 1" diameter grabs/railings when something 
smaller would surely have worked.


John Degnan
[email protected]


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: ctxmf74 
  To: [email protected] 
  Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 05:30 PM
  Subject: {S-Scale List} Re: Code Wheels


  --- In [email protected], "scale S only" <scalesonly@...> wrote:
  >) unless you also go to 
  > prototypical curves, all is lost.  

   Hi Bill, Then that would limit S scale modelers to about a 17 inch minimum 
radius if they wanted to model something like the Harlem Transfer which used 90 
foot radius loop around the freight house :>) . BTW I built a 90 foot HO test 
loop  and found P87 stuff had no problem going around it even using some 50 
foot cars so I have good reason to believe that P64 would work pretty reliably 
on something like 30 inch radius if someone was considering it....DaveBranum   



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