Re: TPC Quiz Team

[Philip Newton]

Dave Cross wrote:
> It was a beginners guide to Arrays. Complete with examples 
> drawing heavily on the world of Buffy.

Now you made me look; I had only read through the first column of the
article by the time I got to work this morning, and that was all about red,
green, and blue, with a dash of pink here and there.

But a bit further on, I saw you're right! Yum.

Yes, we should get a trademark of BtVS in connection with Perl :)

Cheers,
Philip
-- 
Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
All opinions are my own, not my employer's.
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

Happy Happy Joy Joy!

[Philip Newton]

I finally received my copy of TPJ in the mail yesterday. And there was much
rejoicing :)

Cheers,
Philip
-- 
Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
All opinions are my own, not my employer's.
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

Some Northern Irish Fun and Games ...

[Greg McCarroll]

This is the sort of thing that happens in the country i grew up in  

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/northern_ireland/newsid_1336000/1336347.stm

-- 
Greg McCarroll  http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net

Re: Perl Journal in the shops?

[Barry Pretsell]

I have seen Perl Journal in Borders on Oxford Street, usually there before
the I receive my copy by mail.

Happy hunting,

Barry
- Original Message -
From: "Jon Eyre" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 4:42 PM
Subject: Perl Journal in the shops?


>
> Has anyone sighted TPJ in a (London) newsagent or
> bookshop, or know who the UK distributor is?
>
> cheer
> j
>
> ---
> jon eyre ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (http://simpson.dyndns.org/~jon/)
> the slack which can be described is not the true slack
>
>
>

Re: Microsoft.FUKT

[Paul Makepeace]

On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 10:24:56PM +0200, Niklas Nordebo wrote:
> As usual, registration can be bypassed by replacing www with channel, ie:
> http://channel.nytimes.com/2001/05/03/technology/03SOFT.html

On similar lines, robots.cnn.com is ad free.

E.g.

http://robots.cnn.com/2001/SHOWBIZ/News/05/17/niki.taylor.update/index.html

`The first word spoken by the model since the April 29 crash was "Coke,"
 said her manager, Lou Taylor (no relation). Her doctor rejected the
 request for the soft drink, saying she was not ready yet'

Er, soft drink, eh?

`Taylor suffered liver and abdominal injuries in the accident, though  
 her face was not marred.'

Phew, thank Ghod for that -- for a moment I was concerned, but now I
know she's still good looking; what a relief! 

http://www.theonion.com/onion3716/denominator_plummets.html


Paul


> 
> -- 
> Niklas Nordebo -><- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -><- +447966251290

Re: [gnat@frii.com: Damian Conway's Exegesis 2]

[Chris Devers]

At 04:40 PM 2001.05.17 +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
>Any idea what the going rate for a NeXT black box is these days?

Err, well, you seem to be able to get the motherboard for $40 now: 
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1238589018

You're on your own for the rest of the parts though... :)

(Actually, I've seen them on sale from time to time for around a few hundred bucks, 
but there don't seem to be any for sale at the moment.)



--
Chris Devers [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: TPC Quiz Team

[Dave Cross]

At 13:45 17/05/2001, you wrote:
>Cross David - dcross writes:
> > Having read Nat's article in the new TPJ, I think we should also have:
> >
> > "The use of Buffy the Vampiure Slayer in association with the Perl language
> > is a trademark of the London Perl Mongers"
>
>It's been so long, I have to ask: what was my article in the most
>recent TPJ? :-)

It was a beginners guide to Arrays. Complete with examples drawing heavily 
on the world of Buffy.

Dave...


-- 
  SMS: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Data Munging with Perl 

Re: pc components

[Simon Cozens]

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 08:12:52PM +0100, Leon Brocard wrote:
> The same happened to me.  I've given up buying things on the
> Internet. I do all my research on the web, and then head down to
> Tottenham Court Road to actually buy it. The prices are generally
> comparable, and you get it *there and then*.

   They're calling it shops or `S-Commerce' and it's being rolled out in
   cities and towns nationwide.

   "It's a real revelation," according to Malcolm Fosbury, a middleware
   engineer from Hillingdon. "You just walk into one of these "shops"
   and they have all sorts of things for sale."

   Fosbury was particularly impressed by a clothes shop he discovered
   while browsing in central London. "Shops seem to be the ideal medium
   for transactions of this type. I can actually try out a jacket and
   see if it fits me. Then I can visualize the way I would look if I
   was wearing the clothing." This is possible using a high definition
   2D viewing system, or "mirror" as it has become known.

   Shops, which are frequently aggregated into shopping portals or
   "high streets", are becoming increasingly popular with the cash-rich
   time-poor generation of new consumers. Often located in densely
   populated areas people can find them extremely convenient.

   And Malcolm is not alone in being impressed by shops. "Some days I
   just don't have the time to download huge Flash animations of
   rotating trainers and then wait five days for them to be delivered
   in the hope that they will actually fit," says Sandra Bailey, a
   systems analyst from Chelsea. "This way I can actually complete the
   transaction in real time and walk away with the goods." Being able
   see whether or not shoes and clothing fit has been a real bonus for
   Bailey, "I used to spend my evenings boxing up gear to return.
   Sometimes the clothes didn't fit, sometimes they just sent the
   wrong stuff."

   Shops have a compelling commercial story to tell too, according to
   Gartner Group retail analyst Carl Baker. "There are massive
   efficiencies in the supply chain. By concentrating distribution to a
   series of high volume outlets in urban centres-typically close to
   where people live and work-businesses can make dramatic savings in
   fulfillment costs. Just compare this with the wasteful practise of
   delivering items piecemeal to people's homes."

   Furthermore, allowing consumers to receive goods when they actually
   want them could mean an end to the frustration of returning home to
   find a despatch notice telling you that your goods are waiting in a
   delivery depot the other side of town. But it's not just the
   convenience and time-saving that appeals to Fosbury, "Visiting a
   shop is real relief for me. I mean as it is I spend all day in front
   of a bloody computer."

   from Benjamin Gill, Information & Research, P-Four Consultancy Ltd, TEL:
   (44) 0171 924 3233, FAX: (44) 0171 978 5304, E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  

-- 
We *have* dirty minds. This is not news. - Kake Pugh

Re: FHM Top 100 Sexiest Women

[Neil Ford]

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 04:18:29PM -0400, David H. Adler wrote:
> On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 08:54:12PM +0100, Martin Ling wrote:
> > On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 07:36:12PM +0100, Neil Ford wrote:
> > > 
> > > Just picked up the latest FHM to check out the above mentioned list...
> > > 
> > > The interesting bits are as follows;
> > > 
> > > At no. 11, Sarah Michelle Geller
> > > 
> > > At no. 10, Alyson Hannigan!!!
> > > 
> > > Nuff said :-)
> > 
> > Oh, you bastards. You utter, utter, utter bastards.
> > 
> > I'm going to have to actually *buy*, and furthermore be seen non-dead
> > with, a copy of FHM now. London PM, you are sick, twisted and evil
> > people.
> 
> Hey, I have to buy it *imported*... and you think *you* have problems...
> 
> Uh, what's on the cover, so I get the right one?
> 
You won't miss the box, trust me :-)

Neil.
-- 
Neil C. Ford
Managing Director, Yet Another Computer Solutions Company Limited
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.yacsc.com

Re: pc components

[Paul Makepeace]

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 08:12:52PM +0100, Leon Brocard wrote:
> The same happened to me.  I've given up buying things on the
> Internet. I do all my research on the web, and then head down to
> Tottenham Court Road to actually buy it. The prices are generally
> comparable, and you get it *there and then*.

Comparable to http://www.pricewatch.com/ ?

I buy stuff online because it's less hassle/takes less time than
finding parking downtown :-)

And besides, by the time it arrives (few days later, I'm a cheapskate
Ground shipping junkie) I've usually forgotten about it so it's a
nice surprise.

Paul

Re: [gnat@frii.com: Damian Conway's Exegesis 2]

[Paul Makepeace]

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 12:59:53PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote:
> Paul Makepeace wrote:
> > The -> to .  conversion [...] will be a wonderful thing.
> 
> To be honest, I never understood the point of that conversion. Is it an
> attempt to make Perl look more like VB? Or like Java? Or trying to save
> keystrokes? Simplify the lexer?

*tokes hard* _fewer characters, man!_

-> makes my right wrist click since I never got the hang of the left
shift key in a general way. It just looks... nicer.



Paul

Re: [gnat@frii.com: Damian Conway's Exegesis 2]

[Paul Makepeace]

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 01:27:32AM +0100, Piers Cawley wrote:
> > Delphi rules.
> 
> Still not as good Interface Builder + Objective C + AppKit +
> NeXTSTEP... 

Having used both, I totally disagree. YMMV of course :-)

Interface Builder is damn good but plenty of stupid shit in it (why
am I setting properties in awakeFromNib when I could set it in IB,
but they're greyed out?)

Paul, can't decide to love or hate Obj-C

Re: TPC Quiz Team

[Chris Benson]

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 06:45:33AM -0600, Nathan Torkington wrote:
> 
> It's been so long, I have to ask: what was my article in the most
> recent TPJ? :-)

You want me type it in?? 

"All about arrays", Basics, Positions, Position vs count, foreach loops,
reverse and sort, ...

Sound familiar?
-- 
Chris Benson

Re: [gnat@frii.com: Damian Conway's Exegesis 2]

[Dave Hodgkinson]

Robin Szemeti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> you see quite a few go on Yahoo .. Indys seem to be about 100 quid,

OK, that's slightly more than the shipping from Londres to Baaf...

-- 
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Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star   http://www.deep-purple.com
  Interim CTO, web server farms, technical strategy
   

Re: TPC Quiz Team

[Merijn Broeren]

Quoting Leon Brocard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> 
> ps amsterdam.pm team last time, so which .pm next time? ;-)

With your record of being everywhere where there is a conference, I
would say you can hook up with any .pm :-)

cheers,
-- 
Merijn Broeren | Everything in excess! To enjoy the flavour of life,
Software Geek  | take big bites. Moderation is for monks.
   | 

Re: [gnat@frii.com: Damian Conway's Exegesis 2]

[Chris Benson]

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 10:13:23AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:

> p.s. I have never used Delphi.

scores 8/10 as a B&D language (it *is* related to Pascal :-)

scores 9/10 for does-what-you-expect

OTOH the documentation (when I used it) scored -1.

(Whereas VB3 (or was it VB4) scored - because it would
permanently change the size of windows on it's own initiative and 
of course be trashed by every single piece of s/ware that installed 
a .DLL)

-- 
Chris Benson
 "if you can't do it in Perl in half-an-hour it's not worth doing."

Re: FHM Top 100 Sexiest Women

[David H. Adler]

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 08:54:12PM +0100, Martin Ling wrote:
> On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 07:36:12PM +0100, Neil Ford wrote:
> > 
> > Just picked up the latest FHM to check out the above mentioned list...
> > 
> > The interesting bits are as follows;
> > 
> > At no. 11, Sarah Michelle Geller
> > 
> > At no. 10, Alyson Hannigan!!!
> > 
> > Nuff said :-)
> 
> Oh, you bastards. You utter, utter, utter bastards.
> 
> I'm going to have to actually *buy*, and furthermore be seen non-dead
> with, a copy of FHM now. London PM, you are sick, twisted and evil
> people.

Hey, I have to buy it *imported*... and you think *you* have problems...

Uh, what's on the cover, so I get the right one?

dha
-- 
David H. Adler - <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - http://www.panix.com/~dha/
i like Sample A because it tastes great and is less typing.
- brian d foy in c.l.p.misc

Re: FHM Top 100 Sexiest Women

[Neil Ford]

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 08:54:12PM +0100, Martin Ling wrote:
> On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 07:36:12PM +0100, Neil Ford wrote:
> > 
> > Just picked up the latest FHM to check out the above mentioned list...
> > 
> > The interesting bits are as follows;
> > 
> > At no. 11, Sarah Michelle Geller
> > 
> > At no. 10, Alyson Hannigan!!!
> > 
> > Nuff said :-)
> 
> Oh, you bastards. You utter, utter, utter bastards.
> 
> I'm going to have to actually *buy*, and furthermore be seen non-dead
> with, a copy of FHM now. London PM, you are sick, twisted and evil
> people.
> 
The thing comes in a bloody big cardboard box ffs! Makes checking it out a 
real pain.

If you're getting it for the piccies, I would suggest you don't bother.
Whilst SMG gets a full page, the picture of Miss Hannigan is small and a
reprint of one of the ones from the photo shoot she did for FHM last year.

Neil.
-- 
Neil C. Ford
Managing Director, Yet Another Computer Solutions Company Limited
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.yacsc.com

Re: [gnat@frii.com: Damian Conway's Exegesis 2]

[Robin Szemeti]

On Thu, 17 May 2001, David Cantrell wrote:

> > Dave // Just got a 1995 vintage Indy :-)
> 
> Indys are very nice indeed.  However, I think I got a pretty good deal
> when I swapped mine for a loaded Sun SS1000e :-)

I remember paying $stupid for an indy not very long ago as part of an
online edit system ... something around 16K rings a bell.

you see quite a few go on Yahoo .. Indys seem to be about 100 quid,
Indigo 2/extreme seems to be about 250 ... and they were *slightly* more
than that not very long ago

-- 
Robin Szemeti

Redpoint Consulting Limited
Real Solutions For A Virtual World

Re: FHM Top 100 Sexiest Women

[Martin Ling]

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 07:36:12PM +0100, Neil Ford wrote:
> 
> Just picked up the latest FHM to check out the above mentioned list...
> 
> The interesting bits are as follows;
> 
> At no. 11, Sarah Michelle Geller
> 
> At no. 10, Alyson Hannigan!!!
> 
> Nuff said :-)

Oh, you bastards. You utter, utter, utter bastards.

I'm going to have to actually *buy*, and furthermore be seen non-dead
with, a copy of FHM now. London PM, you are sick, twisted and evil
people.


Martin

Re: pc components

[Leon Brocard]

Simon Cozens sent the following bits through the ether:

> My motherboard from Dabs has spent two days "awaiting credit card clearance"
> and two days "awaiting despatch".

The same happened to me.  I've given up buying things on the
Internet. I do all my research on the web, and then head down to
Tottenham Court Road to actually buy it. The prices are generally
comparable, and you get it *there and then*.

Leon
-- 
Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/
Iterative Software...http://www.iterative-software.com/

... Useless invention no. 404: Caffeine-free Diet Coke 

Re: TPC Quiz Team

[Leon Brocard]

Cross David - dcross sent the following bits through the ether:
 
> I need three volunteers to join me in the london.pm team for Jon Orwant's
> Internet Quiz at The Perl Conference.

If you'll accept me, I'd be happy to join you...

Leon

ps amsterdam.pm team last time, so which .pm next time? ;-)
-- 
Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/
Iterative Software...http://www.iterative-software.com/

... Acoustic - What you play pool with

Re: FHM Top 100 Sexiest Women

[Leon Brocard]

Neil Ford sent the following bits through the ether:

> The interesting bits are as follows;
> 
> At no. 11, Sarah Michelle Geller
> 
> At no. 10, Alyson Hannigan!!!

You missed out the very important:
No 27, Charisma Carpenter

;-), Leon
-- 
Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/
Iterative Software...http://www.iterative-software.com/

... Why you say you no bunny rabbit when you have little powder-puff tail?

Re: [gnat@frii.com: Damian Conway's Exegesis 2]

[Dave Hodgkinson]

David Cantrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Indys are very nice indeed.  However, I think I got a pretty good deal
> when I swapped mine for a loaded Sun SS1000e :-)

Sellout!

-- 
Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org
Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star   http://www.deep-purple.com
  Interim CTO, web server farms, technical strategy
   

Re: pc components

[Dave Hodgkinson]

www.insight.com - they 0wn Action, and they've never let me down.


-- 
Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org
Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star   http://www.deep-purple.com
  Interim CTO, web server farms, technical strategy
   

FHM Top 100 Sexiest Women

[Neil Ford]

Just picked up the latest FHM to check out the above mentioned list...

The interesting bits are as follows;

At no. 11, Sarah Michelle Geller

At no. 10, Alyson Hannigan!!!

Nuff said :-)

Neil.
-- 
Neil C. Ford
Managing Director, Yet Another Computer Solutions Company Limited
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.yacsc.com

Re: [gnat@frii.com: Damian Conway's Exegesis 2]

[David Cantrell]

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 04:40:42PM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
> Piers Cawley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > I tried to use VB once. I kept thinking "Why isn't this as good as
> > Interface Builder is on NeXTSTEP?" Actually, I find myself thinking
> > that when I use almost any IDE...
> 
> Any idea what the going rate for a NeXT black box is these days?

When I sold mine (or rather, swapped it for a pile of Sun external
disk boxes) I valued it at UKP120.

That's for a Colour Turbo slab, with a 17" colour monitor, the sound-box
and non-ADB keyboard and mouse.  All NeXT badged, and the monitor had a
minor fault with the power supply.

> Dave // Just got a 1995 vintage Indy :-)

Indys are very nice indeed.  However, I think I got a pretty good deal
when I swapped mine for a loaded Sun SS1000e :-)

-- 
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  Rip, Mix, Burn, unless you're using our "most advanced operating system
   in the world" which we decided to release incomplete just for a laugh

Re: [gnat@frii.com: Damian Conway's Exegesis 2]

[Dave Hodgkinson]

Piers Cawley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I tried to use VB once. I kept thinking "Why isn't this as good as
> Interface Builder is on NeXTSTEP?" Actually, I find myself thinking
> that when I use almost any IDE...

Any idea what the going rate for a NeXT black box is these days?

Dave // Just got a 1995 vintage Indy :-)

-- 
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Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star   http://www.deep-purple.com
  Interim CTO, web server farms, technical strategy
   

Re: More Questions

[Simon Cozens]

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 05:58:01PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
> Ah, but those don't do the same do they.  You have to regenerate your
> rankings whenever you add a new score, whereas mine lets you get the rankings
> directly from the hash. 

Who said anything about adding a score? I just said you had some data and
the task was to turn it into some other data...

-- 
Old Japanese proverb:
There are two kinds of fools -- those who never climb Mt. Fuji,
and those who climb it twice.

Re: More Questions

[Mark Fowler]

On Thu, 17 May 2001, David Cantrell wrote:

> EINSUFFICIENTLYSPECIFIEDPROBLEM :-)

Probably.  Here's my solution, and I can't see any obvious way of making
it smaller.  Suggestions?

#!/usr/bin/perl
use strict;
use warnings;

use Data::Dumper;

my %scores = ( Adams   => 78,
   Davies  => 35,
   Fowler  => 78,
   Edwards => 84,
   Thomas  => 47,
   );

my %results;

my @x = sort {$scores{$b} <=> $scores{$a}} keys %scores;

my $i = 1;
while (@x)
{
my $delta = 0;
my $current;
do
{
my $name = shift @x;
$current = $scores{$name};
$results{$name} = $i;
$delta++;

} while (@x && $current == $scores{$x[0]});
$i += $delta;
}

print Dumper \%results;


-- 
 mark fowler, bad at perl at 6pm in the evening.

Re: More Questions

[David Cantrell]

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 05:25:52PM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote:
> On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 05:15:56PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
> > Did you mean like this?
> >
> > tie my %scores, 'Tie::Hash::Rank';
> > [overengineering snipped]
> 
> Or you could do it in two lines:
> 
> my $i;
> my %rank = map { $_ => ++$i } sort {$scores{$a} <=> $scores{$b}} keys %scores;

Ah, but those don't do the same do they.  You have to regenerate your
rankings whenever you add a new score, whereas mine lets you get the rankings
directly from the hash.  Of course, it makes it impossible to retrieve the
scores themselves.

EINSUFFICIENTLYSPECIFIEDPROBLEM :-)

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  Rip, Mix, Burn, unless you're using our "most advanced operating system
   in the world" which we decided to release incomplete just for a laugh

Re: pc components

[Matthew Byng-Maddick]

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 05:27:17PM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
> On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 02:18:16AM +1000, Ian Brayshaw wrote:
> > I saw Craig Charles at the Melbourne Comedy Festival a couple of years ago 
> > and it was a waste of time and money. He walked out on stage, said he was 
> > p1ssed, drank beer in front of the audience for an hour, occasionally 
> > screamed juvenile jokes centred around his "manhood", then suddenly
> > declared that he'd had enough and swaggered off stage. Complete w4nker,
> > really, given the price of the tickets.
> I have to concur, having forked out good money to see him in Brighton.
> Now Ken Campbell was worth watching, but a bit of a head fuck.

I have to agree about CC too. The other part was protesting his innocence
about the whole rape thingy. I would, however, recommend going and seeing
Chris Barrie live, because he was *absolutely* fantastic, and really on
the ball about current affairs, and funny. He was touring with Norman
Lovett, who wasn't nearly as good.

MBM

Ken Campbell is a god (was: pc components)

[Robin Houston]

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 05:27:17PM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
> Now Ken Campbell was worth watching, but a bit of a head fuck.

Ken Campbell is a god.
Here is my proof:
http://www.puffinry.freeserve.co.uk/wol-wantok/narafaladei.mp3

 .robin.

ps. The other day I randomly met someone who speaks fluent
Melanesian Pidgin.


"What's it like then, Macbeth in Wol Wantok? An improvement. Reducing
iambic pentameters to rude voodoo telegrams is just the thing the
piece has been needing. The plot seems much more likely in Pidgin -
there are a couple of holes which become apparent when you
de-soporificise the text and these I've deftly bunged. Like, for
example, Fleance (Flanis). The witches (Klevas) tell Banquo (Banekhu)
that his kids and his kids' kids are going to be kings (bigfala jifs)
in the future (bambae). The only child we meet is Fleance, and he gets
away, but then some arse makes Malcolm (Melekem) jif (king, I mean). I
don't think the New Millennium Wol wants to be served this sort of
dramatic sloppiness, so I've fixed that. (Mi bin fiksimap.)"

-- 
"Images have limits.  i am grateful for that." --Catherine Milne

Re: pc components

[jduncan]

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 05:27:17PM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
> On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 02:18:16AM +1000, Ian Brayshaw wrote:
> > I saw Craig Charles at the Melbourne Comedy Festival a couple of years ago 
> > and it was a waste of time and money. He walked out on stage, said he was 
> > p1ssed, drank beer in front of the audience for an hour, occasionally 
> > screamed juvenile jokes centred around his "manhood", then suddenly declared 
> > that he'd had enough and swaggered off stage. Complete w4nker, really, given 
> > the price of the tickets.
> 
> I have to concur, having forked out good money to see him in Brighton.

I met him on the beach in Weymouth once.  He was marching around drunk, shouting
at everybody to tell them/us how famous he was.  Not very funny really.

--james 


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Re: More Questions

[Roger Burton West]

On or about Thu, May 17, 2001 at 05:25:52PM +0100, Simon Cozens typed:

>Or you could do it in two lines:
>
>my $i;
>my %rank = map { $_ => ++$i } sort {$scores{$a} <=> $scores{$b}} keys %scores;

But can you make it do:

1. 20
2. 17
2. 17
4. 15

etc.?

Roger

Re: pc components

[Dominic Mitchell]

On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 02:18:16AM +1000, Ian Brayshaw wrote:
> I saw Craig Charles at the Melbourne Comedy Festival a couple of years ago 
> and it was a waste of time and money. He walked out on stage, said he was 
> p1ssed, drank beer in front of the audience for an hour, occasionally 
> screamed juvenile jokes centred around his "manhood", then suddenly declared 
> that he'd had enough and swaggered off stage. Complete w4nker, really, given 
> the price of the tickets.

I have to concur, having forked out good money to see him in Brighton.

Now Ken Campbell was worth watching, but a bit of a head fuck.

-Dom

Re: More Questions

[Simon Cozens]

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 05:15:56PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
> Did you mean like this?
>
> tie my %scores, 'Tie::Hash::Rank';
> [overengineering snipped]

Or you could do it in two lines:

my $i;
my %rank = map { $_ => ++$i } sort {$scores{$a} <=> $scores{$b}} keys %scores;

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Re: pc components

[will]

- Original Message -
From: Ian Brayshaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: pc components


> will <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote something that looked like the
following:
>
> >Apparently it is Craig 'Red Dwarf' Charles's regular and he was
> >there a few weeks ago when we were there. Not as pretty as Buffy or
> >Willow about as close as you can get (sort of).
>
> I saw Craig Charles at the Melbourne Comedy Festival a couple of years ago
> and it was a waste of time and money. He walked out on stage, said he was
> p1ssed, drank beer in front of the audience for an hour, occasionally
> screamed juvenile jokes centred around his "manhood", then suddenly
declared
> that he'd had enough and swaggered off stage. Complete w4nker, really,
given
> the price of the tickets.

His stand up comedy is a big pile of turd and he looks like a hampster, but
it was wierd seeing *Lister* in the pub all the same.  He may be a tosser
but Red Dwarf was great.

will.

(who'd like to meet Buffy AND Willow a dark alley all at the same time...)

RE: pc components

[Robert Thompson]

> From: Ian Brayshaw 
> (who'd like to meet either Buffy or Willow in a dark alley...)


The man has a death wish...


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Re: pc components

[Ian Brayshaw]

will <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote something that looked like the following:

>Apparently it is Craig 'Red Dwarf' Charles's regular and he was
>there a few weeks ago when we were there. Not as pretty as Buffy or
>Willow about as close as you can get (sort of).

I saw Craig Charles at the Melbourne Comedy Festival a couple of years ago 
and it was a waste of time and money. He walked out on stage, said he was 
p1ssed, drank beer in front of the audience for an hour, occasionally 
screamed juvenile jokes centred around his "manhood", then suddenly declared 
that he'd had enough and swaggered off stage. Complete w4nker, really, given 
the price of the tickets.


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Re: pc components

[Martin Ling]

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 03:42:43PM -0500, will wrote:
> 
> rm -f zig
> 
> ?

No!

for GREAT_JUSTICE in $WAY_TO_DESTRUCTION; do mv zig $WHAT_YOU_DOING; done


Martin

Re: Buffy ...

[David H. Adler]

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 07:25:44AM +0100, Dave Cross wrote:
> At 17:20 16/05/2001, Dean wrote:
> >On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 05:08:17PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
> >
> > > http://page.auctions.yahoo.com/uk/auction/51586918
> >
> >"The economy took another downturn today as the few remaining London
> >based dot-coms utilized the last of their ever diminishing budgets in
> >an attempt to procure an item that would see off the vampire ^Hventure
> >capitalists. One of the companies to survive todays spending spree was
> >MagSol, the founder Dave was heard to say "Willows better.""
> 
>  Actually, I'd say "Willow's better".
> 

Yes, the willow contingent actually speaks english good.  dammit.

dha :-)

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Re: TPC Quiz Team

[Philip Newton]

Peter Haworth wrote:
> Come to think of it, if "Buddy" was the password, how come we 
> all know what it is (now, at least). Aren't passwords 
> supposed to be secret?

I believe there was a news story about the first law to be signed into,
well, law electronically by the POTUS "by typing in his dog's name, Buddy,
as the password", or verbage to that effect.

Cheers,
Philip
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If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

Re: pc components

[Philip Newton]

will wrote:
> rm -f zig

mv zig/* CATS/ , surely?

Cheers,
Philip
-- 
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If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

Perl Journal in the shops?

[Jon Eyre]

Has anyone sighted TPJ in a (London) newsagent or 
bookshop, or know who the UK distributor is? 

cheer
j

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Re: pc components

[will]

- Original Message - 
From: will <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: pc components


>Not as pretty as Buffy or Willow about as close as you can get (sort of).

In terms of celebrity status I mean.  Quick, someone pass me a shovel.

Re: pc components

[will]

- Original Message -
From: Dean S Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 10:51 AM
Subject: Re: pc components


> >>If your in London then forget mail order and go to TCR on a
> Saturday,
> >>you get to take home what you pay for and with the drop in spending
> >>lately its getting easier to haggle the price down.
>
> >Are you refering to the 'computer fair' or just TCR in general?
> Both to a degree. From the shops I've been in recently it seems that
> they are more willing to drop the price a bit than see you go to one
> of the fairs. For once the consumers the winner.

I got a 30Gig 7200 RPM (Samsung I think) disk for £95 at the fairs.  Works
like a dream.

The Geek meet afterwards in a nearby watering hole is good fun too.
Apparently it is Craig 'Red Dwarf' Charles's regular and he was there a few
weeks ago when we were there.  Not as pretty as Buffy or Willow about as
close as you can get (sort of).

Re: pc components

[Dean S Wilson]

-Original Message-

From: Jonathan Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


>At 14:48 17/05/01 +0100, Dean wrote:

>>If your in London then forget mail order and go to TCR on a
Saturday,
>>you get to take home what you pay for and with the drop in spending
>>lately its getting easier to haggle the price down.

>Are you refering to the 'computer fair' or just TCR in general?
Both to a degree. From the shops I've been in recently it seems that
they are more willing to drop the price a bit than see you go to one
of the fairs. For once the consumers the winner.

The fairs do a more mixed selection of stuff than the shops do, where
you go depends on what your looking for.

>Also, if any London person is unaware of it, the shop CEX (Computer
>EXchange) on TCR (just north of Goddge St Stn) sells excellent 2nd
hand
>hardware, are very knowledgeable, will accept returns with no hassle,
and
>have never let me down etc etc etc.

And they do a nice selection of cheep DVD's.


Dean
--
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   ---  Anon

Re: TPC Quiz Team

[Peter Haworth]

On Thu, 17 May 2001 09:17:04 +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote:
> I need three volunteers to join me in the london.pm team for Jon Orwant's
> Internet Quiz at The Perl Conference.

Count me in!


> This is our big chance to get revenge for the injustices of last year.

I'm finding it more annoying now because I've managed to convince myself that the same 
question was asked the previous year.


> [1] Note to self: find out if Dubya has any pets.

... whose name he's used in an Internet context.
Come to think of it, if "Buddy" was the password, how come we all know what it is 
(now, at least). Aren't passwords supposed to be secret?

-- 
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"The boy stood on the burning deck
 Whence all but he had fled -
 Twit." -- Spike Milligan

Re: Shoot out

[Robin Houston]

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 03:28:13PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> But the question is, are they generating C code from Ocaml code
> and compiling it,

I don't think so. I think the Ocaml compiler compiles directly to
machine code. But what difference does it make, ultimately?

> this would explain the performance.

It might help to explain why it's faster than interpreted languages.
But C++ is a compiled language too, and Ocaml seemed to be
consistently faster than C++ in those benchmarks.

I don't think the picture is so simple any more, anyway.
Optimising JITs seem to be catching up...

 .robin.

-- 
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Re: Shoot out

[Robin Szemeti]

On Thu, 17 May 2001, Merijn Broeren wrote:
> Quoting Tony Bowden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> > 
> > His perl isn't necessarily the fastest in all cases. I sped some of his
> > scripts up quite significantly - enough to move it back up above Python
> > anyway ;)
> > 
> I was looking at the attributions page and saw only your name. I was
> kind of expecting the rabid hordes of london.pm speedfreaks would like
> to have a go, but you were already there, I should have known you were a
> lnpm'er ;-)

heh! ..I just took 30% off his object_instantiation .. thats quite
heavily weighted in the results and inherited into other tests so that
should move perl up a bit.

weirdly .. one thing I tried 'hmm no explicit DESTROY sub,... hmm I
wonder if it spends time searching for one .. I'll make a sub DESTROY { }
 and see if it speeds it up ..' nope 40% slower overall ...

-- 
Robin Szemeti

Redpoint Consulting Limited
Real Solutions For A Virtual World

Re: pc components

[will]

- Original Message - 
From: Martin Ling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 9:25 AM
Subject: Re: pc components


> On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 02:41:06PM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
> > 
> > > > find / -name "*your_base*" -exec chown us:us {} \;
> > > 
> > > If I had a penny for every variation on this sig I'd seen, I'd... er,
> > > well, I might have a cheap Mars bar. But still.
> > 
> > *mumble* xargs(1) *mumble*
> 
> find / -user you -name base -print | xargs chown us:us
> 
> is one of the more popular ones.
> 
> I haven't seen a really good one for SOMEBODY SET UP US THE BOMB yet.
> 
> apt-get install the-bomb doesn't qualify.

rm -f zig

?

:-)

Re: pc components

[Chris Ball]

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 03:32:03PM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote:
>> apt-get install the-bomb doesn't qualify.
> dpkg --configure ?

*laughs out loud in the middle of easyEverything* Nice one. :-)

~C.


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I must not editarticles with thvi. I must not editarticles with vi.
I must not editarticles with thvi. jI must not editarticles with vi:wq:wq1

Re: pc components

[Jonathan Peterson]

At 14:48 17/05/01 +0100, you wrote:

>If your in London then forget mail order and go to TCR on a Saturday,
>you get to take home what you pay for and with the drop in spending
>lately its getting easier to haggle the price down.

Are you refering to the 'computer fair' or just TCR in general?

Also, if any London person is unaware of it, the shop CEX (Computer 
EXchange) on TCR (just north of Goddge St Stn) sells excellent 2nd hand 
hardware, are very knowledgeable, will accept returns with no hassle, and 
have never let me down etc etc etc.

And they sell 2nd hand software too, esp. MS development stuff.



-- 
Jonathan Peterson
Technical Manager, Unified Ltd, 020 7383 6092
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: pc components

[Simon Cozens]

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 03:25:22PM +0100, Martin Ling wrote:
> I haven't seen a really good one for SOMEBODY SET UP US THE BOMB yet.
> apt-get install the-bomb doesn't qualify.

dpkg --configure ?

-- 
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Re: Shoot out

[Matthew Byng-Maddick]

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 03:20:08PM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
> I still remember an article about C++ templating being a turing complete
> language in it's own right or something weird.  This isn't it, but is
> entertaining anyway:
> http://www.annexia.org/freeware/cpptemplates/

And if you don't want to do things in C++:

http://www.apache.org/~fanf/list.h

:) The guy is a nutcase. Oh well, he's only won one IOCCC. :)

MBM

Re: pc components

[Martin Ling]

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 02:41:06PM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
> 
> > > find / -name "*your_base*" -exec chown us:us {} \;
> > 
> > If I had a penny for every variation on this sig I'd seen, I'd... er,
> > well, I might have a cheap Mars bar. But still.
> 
> *mumble* xargs(1) *mumble*

find / -user you -name base -print | xargs chown us:us

is one of the more popular ones.

I haven't seen a really good one for SOMEBODY SET UP US THE BOMB yet.

apt-get install the-bomb doesn't qualify.


Martin

Re: Shoot out

[Dominic Mitchell]

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 03:12:58PM +0100, Robin Houston wrote:
> I don't find that enormously convincing as a reason, though.
> You may have noticed that it's possible to write obfuscated
> Perl programs ;)

No, I've only over seen pleasant, readable perl code posted to this
list.

> C++ is also pretty bad in that respect (I still don't *quite*
> believe that overloadable typecasting isn't a joke...), and
> is pretty popular...

I didn't realise that you could overload typecasting.  Wow.

I still remember an article about C++ templating being a turing complete
language in it's own right or something weird.  This isn't it, but is
entertaining anyway:

http://www.annexia.org/freeware/cpptemplates/

> I suppose one reason is that in order to be popular, a language
> has to syntactically resemble C to make it easier for existing
> programmers to learn.

Well, look what that did for Java.  And look what it will do for C#.
It's a lot easier to tempt people away when it takes less effort for
them.  To use the canonical counter-example, take lisp.  How many people
have been scared off it by how much it *doesn't* look like anything you
already knew?

-Dom (elisp's my limit, I'm afraid)

Re: Shoot out

[Greg McCarroll]

* Robin Houston ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 01:19:27PM +0200, Merijn Broeren wrote:
> > My pike loving friend was amused to see Perl and Python trounced. But
> > the testing rig was written in Perl at least. 
> 
> I was astounded by the performance of Ocaml.
> 

But the question is, are they generating C code from Ocaml code
and compiling it, this would explain the performance.

-- 
Greg McCarroll  http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net

Re: Shoot out

[Robin Houston]

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 03:06:45PM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
> On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 03:04:47PM +0100, Robin Houston wrote:
> 
> Statement:
> 
> > (And _boy_ can you write obfuscated Ocaml programs if you try!
> > User-definable infix operators are an especially nice touch in
> > that regard)
> 
> Answer:
> 
> > Why isn't Ocaml more popular? Is there a good reason?

:-)

I don't find that enormously convincing as a reason, though.
You may have noticed that it's possible to write obfuscated
Perl programs ;)

C++ is also pretty bad in that respect (I still don't *quite*
believe that overloadable typecasting isn't a joke...), and
is pretty popular...

I suppose one reason is that in order to be popular, a language
has to syntactically resemble C to make it easier for existing
programmers to learn.

 .robin.

-- 
"It really depends on the architraves." --Harl

Re: Shoot out

[Dominic Mitchell]

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 03:04:47PM +0100, Robin Houston wrote:

Statement:

> (And _boy_ can you write obfuscated Ocaml programs if you try!
> User-definable infix operators are an especially nice touch in
> that regard)

Answer:

> Why isn't Ocaml more popular? Is there a good reason?

-Dom

Re: Shoot out

[Robin Houston]

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 01:19:27PM +0200, Merijn Broeren wrote:
> My pike loving friend was amused to see Perl and Python trounced. But
> the testing rig was written in Perl at least. 

I was astounded by the performance of Ocaml.

Being forced by an insane lecturer to debug an obfuscated Ocaml
program when I was a student rather put me off the language.
(And _boy_ can you write obfuscated Ocaml programs if you try!
User-definable infix operators are an especially nice touch in
that regard)

Why isn't Ocaml more popular? Is there a good reason?

 .robin.

-- 
"Sometimes I sit in front of my washing machine and contemplate the
 worthlessness of life.  My washing machine isn't even plugged in."
--alex

Re: pc components

[AEF]

On Thu, 17 May 2001, Alex Gough wrote:

> Simply have a habit of sending me things in a really big brown paper bag,

 Simply sent my HDD in a big brown box.

 Which was in a really big brown paper bag.

 Tony

Re: pc components

[Alex Gough]

On Thu, 17 May 2001, Simon Cozens wrote:
> On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 11:03:35AM +0100, AEF wrote:
> >  When I last ordered a HDD from Dabs, they mailed me a couple of days
> > later to say that it wasn't in stock (there website said it was).
> 
> My motherboard from Dabs has spent two days "awaiting credit card clearance"
> and two days "awaiting despatch". It *is* in stock, it's just taking them
> four days - and counting - to get around to shipping it.
> 
> Simply aren't much better. Took them three weeks to get stuff in stock.

Simply have a habit of sending me things in a really big brown paper bag,
and while I quite like the Santaesque overtones, I'd prefer to see things
nicely wrapped so I don't receive more (albeit smaller) items than I'd
ordered.

Dabs are fine, but their shop lies.

Re: pc components

[Greg McCarroll]

* Dean S Wilson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> -Original Message-
> From: Simon Cozens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> 
> >My motherboard from Dabs has spent two days "awaiting credit card
> clearance"
> >and two days "awaiting despatch". It *is* in stock, it's just taking
> them
> >four days - and counting - to get around to shipping it.
> 
> 
> If your in London then forget mail order and go to TCR on a Saturday,
> you get to take home what you pay for and with the drop in spending
> lately its getting easier to haggle the price down.
> 
> And afterwards you can come to one of the almost weekly geek meets in
> a nearby pub.

I quote like the dabs site and will probably end up using them, unless
i find some nice shiny hardware shops in new yourk this weekend.

-- 
Greg McCarroll  http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net

Re: Buffy ...

[Greg McCarroll]

* Philip Newton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Cross David - dcross wrote:
> > Oh, and there's a picture of the whole cast, just signed by 
> > SMG tho' at .
> 
> I suppose at this point, grep will wonder why the Bufster uses her fake name
> when signing pictures.
> 

Well you don't see pictures of the Duke signed Marion Robert Morrison. So
why should this budding young actress and slayer sign things Buffy.

Sheesh, some people ;-)


-- 
Greg McCarroll  http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net

Re: pc components

[Dominic Mitchell]

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 02:36:58PM +0100, Martin Ling wrote:
> On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 11:01:11AM +0100, Chris Ball wrote:
> > 
> > find / -name "*your_base*" -exec chown us:us {} \;
> 
> If I had a penny for every variation on this sig I'd seen, I'd... er,
> well, I might have a cheap Mars bar. But still.

*mumble* xargs(1) *mumble*

-Dom

Re: pc components

[Martin Ling]

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 11:01:11AM +0100, Chris Ball wrote:
> 
> find / -name "*your_base*" -exec chown us:us {} \;

If I had a penny for every variation on this sig I'd seen, I'd... er,
well, I might have a cheap Mars bar. But still.


Martin

Re: pc components

[Barbie]

> Thinking of big hard drives...
>
> http://www.dabs.com/products/compare.asp?action=selected&prodtype=14
>
> Nice feature.

Bugger I bought a 41.1Gb IBM Deskstar the other month from Dabs and now
they've drop their price by £25.

Barbie

Re: [OT] Cordelia (was Re: They are all vampires!)

[Dean S Wilson]

-Original Message-
From: Nathan Torkington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>... Boobapalooza!  You boys will be capturing plenty of stills from
>the season-ending shows.

I'd never sink that low. I know how to use google and wget...

>Think Princess Leia only funny and jaw-droppingly gorgeous.


Renounce Buffy and Willow, join the dark side. ;)

Dean
-- 
Profanity is the one language all programmers understand.
   ---  Anon

Re: pc components

[Dean S Wilson]

-Original Message-
From: Simon Cozens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


>My motherboard from Dabs has spent two days "awaiting credit card
clearance"
>and two days "awaiting despatch". It *is* in stock, it's just taking
them
>four days - and counting - to get around to shipping it.


If your in London then forget mail order and go to TCR on a Saturday,
you get to take home what you pay for and with the drop in spending
lately its getting easier to haggle the price down.

And afterwards you can come to one of the almost weekly geek meets in
a nearby pub.

Dean
--
Profanity is the one language all programmers understand.
   ---  Anon

RE: Buffy ...

[Robert Thompson]

> From: Philip Newton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> 
> Cross David - dcross wrote:
> > Oh, and there's a picture of the whole cast, just signed by 
> > SMG tho' at .
> 
> I suppose at this point, grep will wonder why the Bufster 
> uses her fake name
> when signing pictures.

To maintain the illusion


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Re: Buffy ...

[Philip Newton]

Cross David - dcross wrote:
> Oh, and there's a picture of the whole cast, just signed by 
> SMG tho' at .

I suppose at this point, grep will wonder why the Bufster uses her fake name
when signing pictures.

Cheers,
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Re: pc components

[Simon Cozens]

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 11:03:35AM +0100, AEF wrote:
>  When I last ordered a HDD from Dabs, they mailed me a couple of days
> later to say that it wasn't in stock (there website said it was).

My motherboard from Dabs has spent two days "awaiting credit card clearance"
and two days "awaiting despatch". It *is* in stock, it's just taking them
four days - and counting - to get around to shipping it.

Simply aren't much better. Took them three weeks to get stuff in stock.

-- 
>but I'm one guy working weekends - what the hell is MS's excuse?
"We don't care, we don't have to, we're the phone company."
- Ben Jemmet, Paul Tomblin.

RE: TPC Quiz Team

[Nathan Torkington]

Cross David - dcross writes:
> Having read Nat's article in the new TPJ, I think we should also have:
> 
> "The use of Buffy the Vampiure Slayer in association with the Perl language
> is a trademark of the London Perl Mongers"

It's been so long, I have to ask: what was my article in the most
recent TPJ? :-)

Nat

[OT] Cordelia (was Re: They are all vampires!)

[Nathan Torkington]

Speaking of vampires, you've got a treat coming up with Angel.  After
the exploitative tv show there was a lull of a week, and then
... Boobapalooza!  You boys will be capturing plenty of stills from
the season-ending shows.

Think Princess Leia only funny and jaw-droppingly gorgeous.

Nat

Re: [gnat@frii.com: Damian Conway's Exegesis 2]

[Damian Conway]

Now I'm not buying into the argument on either side, but it does remind
me of a lovely quote by Australian programming legend Alan Kennington:

Eiffel is some sort of avant-garde French computing
movement which believes that programming is reactionary
and oppressive.  Instead, they see the future of computing
as lying in broad strokes of the mouse to communicate
the software developer's creative desires.  The Eiffel
system then writes a program for the computing artist.
As is typical of French ideas, Eiffel appeals to those
sections of the middle class eho can't remember what
work was like, and don't particularly want to be reminded.

;-)

Damian

Re: [gnat@frii.com: Damian Conway's Exegesis 2]

[David Cantrell]

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 01:26:17AM +0100, Piers Cawley wrote:

> I tried to use VB once. I kept thinking "Why isn't this as good as
> Interface Builder is on NeXTSTEP?" Actually, I find myself thinking
> that when I use almost any IDE...

Heh.  Same here, although if you discount Interface Builder, VB is very
good indeed.  I haven't done enough Delphi work to be qualified to talk
about their interface, but first impressions were good.

I like to think of VB and Java as doing the same sort of job. They're
very good for the pretty interface bits, but need a Real Language to do
the real work - C for VB, perl/python/C for Java.

I was, however, thoroughly infuriated by Interface Builder on Mac OS X.
It is not at all obvious how it should work with Project Builder.  I am,
however, more infuriated by OS X itself, and its updates which break
everything.  Grumble. Mutter.

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Re: Shoot out

[Merijn Broeren]

Quoting Tony Bowden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> 
> His perl isn't necessarily the fastest in all cases. I sped some of his
> scripts up quite significantly - enough to move it back up above Python
> anyway ;)
> 
I was looking at the attributions page and saw only your name. I was
kind of expecting the rabid hordes of london.pm speedfreaks would like
to have a go, but you were already there, I should have known you were a
lnpm'er ;-)

> It's all quite interesting.
> 
Indeed. I thought the functional languages would do much better when
weighing the mathematical stuff higher, but there was almost no change.

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Re: Shoot out

[Tony Bowden]

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 01:19:27PM +0200, Merijn Broeren wrote:
> Have you seen http://www.bagley.org/~doug/shootout/ ? 
> My pike loving friend was amused to see Perl and Python trounced. But
> the testing rig was written in Perl at least. 

His perl isn't necessarily the fastest in all cases. I sped some of his
scripts up quite significantly - enough to move it back up above Python
anyway ;)

It's all quite interesting.

Tony

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Shoot out

[Merijn Broeren]

Hi,

Have you seen http://www.bagley.org/~doug/shootout/ ? 

My pike loving friend was amused to see Perl and Python trounced. But
the testing rig was written in Perl at least. 

Cheers
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RE: Buffy ...

[Cross David - dcross]

From: Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 11:57 AM

> Robin Szemeti wrote:
> > http://page.auctions.yahoo.com/uk/auction/51586918
> 
> Yum. Pricey, though.

Oh, I don't know. It's not _that_ expensive. I may have another look just
before it closes tomorrow morning. If it's less than £30 I may buy. Might
make a nice donation to a YAPC::Europe raffle or something...

Oh, and there's a picture of the whole cast, just signed by SMG tho' at
.

Dave...

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Re: pc components

[Robert Shiels]

From: "Roger Burton West" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> On or about Thu, May 17, 2001 at 10:57:23AM +0100, Greg McCarroll typed:
> >
> >Does anyone have a recommendation for an online provider of PC
components,
> >i'm looking for a couple of big hard drives (50Gb+).
>
> I've had success with DABS - just make sure the thing's in stock before
> ordering.

I ordered something from dabs recently, it was in stock before the order,
and mysteriously not in stock afterwards. I cancelled the order. I'd
probably check online, and phone them just to make sure they really have it.

/Robert

Re: [gnat@frii.com: Damian Conway's Exegesis 2]

[Philip Newton]

Paul Makepeace wrote:
> The -> to .  conversion [...] will be a wonderful thing.

To be honest, I never understood the point of that conversion. Is it an
attempt to make Perl look more like VB? Or like Java? Or trying to save
keystrokes? Simplify the lexer?

The array seemed fine to me the way it was.

Cheers,
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Re: Buffy ...

[Philip Newton]

Robin Szemeti wrote:
> http://page.auctions.yahoo.com/uk/auction/51586918

Yum. Pricey, though.

Cheers,
Philip
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Re: e-mail

[Philip Newton]

Greg McCarroll wrote:
> talking of old money did you know that about 92%[1] of used 
> fifty pound notes have traces of cocaine on them?

Probably from the crack-snorting scientists who test them.

> [1] i couldnt remember the exact figure, but it was high, so 
> 92% sounded good.

Did you know that 18% of all statistics are completely made up out of raw
cloth, and 57.384% of all statistics claim unwarranted precision in their
figures?

Cheers,
Philip
(who notes that there's a German saying "don't trust any statistic that you
didn't forge yourself")
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Re: test

[Philip Newton]

Greg McCarroll wrote:
> just a test

Sorry, didn't arrive in Germany. You have some kind of UK only filter on
these things?

Please sent it again, with the filter turned off.

Cheers,
Philip (feeling testy)
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Re: T-Shirts

[Simon Wistow]

Barbie wrote:

> > ...and then sunny Birmingham ..
> 
> You must have been dreaming!

I was stuck in the Chamberlain hotel on Broad Street. I wanted to go out
for a walk and go to a bar and a restaurant (rather than being stuck in
the hotel ones) but it was absolutley pissing it down with rain so I
just stayed inside and sulked and ran up expenses.

I actually meant to give you a bell and ask if you wanted to go for a
swift pint but I was only told I was going on Monday night and I didn't
have email access where I was on site (the glamourous Small Heath
business park)

Re: T-Shirts

[Barbie]

From: "Simon Wistow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> ...and then sunny Birmingham ..

You must have been dreaming! 

Barbie,
currently sitting in a high-rise office block in rainy Brum.

Re: streaming output

[Dave Liney]

> From: Robert Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> > From: Philip Newton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > At a guess: "Content-Encoding: gzip" instead.

> Yep that worked,

According to RFC2616 Content-Encoding: x-gzip should have worked as well:

  Use of program names for the identification of encoding formats is not
  desirable and is discouraged for future encodings. Their use here is
  representative of historical practice, not good design. For
  compatibility with previous implementations of HTTP, applications SHOULD
  consider "x-gzip" and "x-compress" to be equivalent to "gzip" and
  "compress" respectively.

http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec3.html#sec3.5

Dave.

Re: pc components

[AEF]

On Thu, 17 May 2001, AEF wrote:

> later to say that it wasn't in stock (there website said it was). However,
^

 Ugh! I can't believe I did that...

 Tony

Re: pc components

[Paul Sharpe]

Greg McCarroll wrote:
> 
> Does anyone have a recommendation for an online provider of PC components,
> i'm looking for a couple of big hard drives (50Gb+).
> 
> --
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www.scan.co.uk

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Re: pc components

[AEF]

On Thu, 17 May 2001, Roger Burton West wrote:

> On or about Thu, May 17, 2001 at 10:57:23AM +0100, Greg McCarroll typed:
> >
> >Does anyone have a recommendation for an online provider of PC components,
> >i'm looking for a couple of big hard drives (50Gb+).
> 
> I've had success with DABS - just make sure the thing's in stock before
> ordering.

 When I last ordered a HDD from Dabs, they mailed me a couple of days
later to say that it wasn't in stock (there website said it was). However,
ordering the same thing from http://www.simply.co.uk/ worked.

 I need to buy a new ATAPI CDROM drive today (my old one won't read CDRs).
Is there anything choose between different models, or do I just get any
old one?

 Tony

Re: pc components

[Paul Mison]

On 17/05/2001 at 10:57 +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
>Does anyone have a recommendation for an online provider of PC components,
>i'm looking for a couple of big hard drives (50Gb+).

Simply? Dabs? Although the former spam you a bit, and have atrocious
site design, and the latter have a ridiculously involved online buying
procedure- 'specify address', 'specify alternate address', 'specify
payment options'...

http://www.simply.co.uk/
http://www.dabs.com/

You could also try *warehouse, but I've not used them recently.

http://www.computerwarehouse.co.uk/

Thinking of big hard drives...

http://www.dabs.com/products/compare.asp?action=selected&prodtype=14

Nice feature.

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Re: pc components

[Chris Ball]

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 10:57:23AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> Does anyone have a recommendation for an online provider of PC components,
> i'm looking for a couple of big hard drives (50Gb+).

Dabs.com is fine. Scan.co.uk has great deals, but if you get some kind of
after-sales it seems you're one of the lucky few. I've got multiple orders
from both with no probs, but heard many Stories Of Badness about both, too.

~C.
 
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Re: pc components

[Roger Burton West]

On or about Thu, May 17, 2001 at 10:57:23AM +0100, Greg McCarroll typed:
>
>Does anyone have a recommendation for an online provider of PC components,
>i'm looking for a couple of big hard drives (50Gb+).

I've had success with DABS - just make sure the thing's in stock before
ordering.

Roger

Re: Enough!

[Simon Cozens]

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 10:27:47AM +0100, Simon Wistow wrote:
> Fairly easy to write your own 'Wildfire'-esque system with this. Hook it
> into Mister House (open source home automation program,
> http://misterhouse.net/) and you could do some really funky things by
> just phoning up your house 

Mandrake has already done this, I think.

> [ring ring, ring ring]
> Dipsy : hello
  ^ YM "Operator". :)
> Simon : I need an exit

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pc components

[Greg McCarroll]

Does anyone have a recommendation for an online provider of PC components,
i'm looking for a couple of big hard drives (50Gb+).

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Re: T-Shirts

[Simon Wistow]

Cross David - dcross wrote:

> Dave...
> [waiting for Simon to send his bank details so he can bankroll the deal]

Err, yeah, sorry about this. What with going to Geneva on Friday,
Huddersfield on Saturday and Sunday and then sunny Birmingham for the
last two days I haven't had time.

On its way now.

Simon

Re: They are all vampires!

[Greg McCarroll]

* Leon Brocard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> http://members.netscapeonline.co.uk/antibetdesign/vampires.htm

Lots of work for the Buffster to do, i'm sure Buffy will have
to wrestle with Scully to slay her - perhaps in a vat of jello ;-).

> (via popbitch), Leon

Sure Leon, we believe you got it via popbitch and you don't
spend your days mindlessly surfing the web for Vampire pr0n ;-).

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