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Subject: Re: Science and knowledge
> >> The purpose of science is not to help us understand reality; it is not
> > about the truth. Indeed, one of my favori
On Monday 2003-07-21 03:57, Erik Reuter wrote:
On Mon, Jul 21, 2003 at 03:15:47AM -0700, Trent Shipley wrote:
> The real problem with "share the wealth, trickle up" programs, besides
> the fact that it might be immoral to tax the rich, is that they slow
> growth.
Do you have any data to suppor
In a message dated 7/20/2003 11:34:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
>
>
> At 11:10 PM 7/18/2003 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >This actually a JDG
> style arguement. The things that conservatives and
> > replubicans do are right and moral because republicans are right a
In a message dated 7/19/2003 7:13:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
> what would you have istead, state capitalism?
How about a rationale tax policy? One that stimulates the economy by putting money in
the hands that those who will spend it. How about a rationale understand
>> The purpose of science is not to help us understand reality; it is not
> about the truth. Indeed, one of my favorite statements about science is
> "the most important development in the history of science is when it was
> decided that it wasn't about the truth."
I would argue that most scienti
> >
> >> nd becouse of that you are mixing facts as if they were related when they are
> not.
>
> > > >It is an old boys club writ on a global
> > scale.
>
> No backing for this. just becouse the above is true (if it is) does not mean
> that they are not doing what is right when it comes to fori
In a message dated 7/19/2003 9:35:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
> Frankly, Ray, I think that I'm showing a lot more
> respect for people on the list who disagree with me
> than most of the people on this list are showing to
> me. The difference is that I'm in the minorit
>
> Maybe you think so. I lived two blocks north of the
> World Trade Center site for a year. Let's just say
> that I have less than no sympathy for any such view.
> Let's see how many New Yorkers think we're not at war.
> How many of the soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan.
> How many diplomats
Deborah Harrell wrote:
> "...Naomi Neufeld, a pediatric endocrinologist in Los
> Angeles, recalls that in 1986, when she had just
> started a non-profit weight-control program called
> KidShape, obesity was considered primarily a cosmetic
> problem that occurred infrequently among children.
> Toda
Damon wrote:
>
> There's many words one can use to describe
> Hitler, but a "devout Catholic" is not one of them.
>
Hitler was closer to newageism than to monotheism. The
theological part of nazism was very pagan-oriented. Even
the Aryan and Swastika things are a deturpation of Hinduism,
and not
As our intrepid young hero first looked about his new school's lodgings, his
eyes darted about to take in the undersized and pitted desktop, the single
chair with only three out of four footpads, the totally inadequate drawer space,
the non existent but brochure promised overhead bookshelf, the
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From: "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 6:06 PM
Subject: Re: Science and knowledge
> On Mon, Jul 21, 2003 at 03:01:20PM -0700, Deborah Harrell wrote:
>
> > Hey! What about the astronomy examp
On Mon, Jul 21, 2003 at 03:01:20PM -0700, Deborah Harrell wrote:
> Hey! What about the astronomy example I gave in my first post this
> thread:
>
> "And for an even longer timeframe from observance to 'scientific
> revision,' look at the change from an Earth-centered to a sun-centered
> system! :
On Mon, Jul 21, 2003 at 02:40:07PM -0700, Deborah Harrell wrote:
> Hmm, what about astronomy? Centuries of looking at the skies, yet
> quasars/pulsars weren't discovered until the 60's
Not a good example. If we had a pulsar right next to us, and we studied
it for decades, but never noticed that
Dan wrote:
Well, I've not been posting for a while because I've been overwhelmed with
1) Planning my parents' funerals
2) A heavy work load
3) Preparing for my wife's operation.
But, I've got a bit of time now, so I'll try to catch up on posts I owe an
answer to.
I hope you've recovered from the s
--- Robert Seeberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> 2003 Bulwer-Lytton Fiction Contest.
> http://www.sjsu.edu/depts/english/2003.htm
>
>Winner
>"They had but one last remaining night together,
> so they embraced each
> other as tightly as that two-flavor entwined string
> cheese that is
--- Deborah Harrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- Erik Reuter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Deborah Harrell wrote:
> >
> > >Let me give an example of 'phenomena that had
been
> > investigated for
> > > centuries' to no avail, until after the proper
> > equipment was invented
> > > and the phen
Cool air at the axis should be heavier and would try to displace warmer,
less dense air.
This would cause air currents that would speed up heat transfer in the
atmosphere.
I don't think you could expect thermal equilibrium in the scenarios I'm
reading here, but the atmospher
You have been mixing References: headers between this thread and others
and it makes it harder for me to follow.
> I always reply to the digest.
I didn't expect that! The message I was replying to previously was about
the habitat, but it referenced a message
2003 Bulwer-Lytton Fiction Contest.
http://www.sjsu.edu/depts/english/2003.htm
Winner
"They had but one last remaining night together, so they embraced each
other as tightly as that two-flavor entwined string cheese that is orange
and yellowish-white, the orange probably being a bland C
This is a simplified list of the current worst
offenders WRT trans-fat content;
substitutes/alternatives are given for some, but for
now the real answer seems to be -- cut out a lot of
convenience/processed foods.
http://my.webmd.com/content/Article/70/81100.htm?printing=true
Debbi
Thank Goodnes
--- Erik Reuter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Deborah Harrell wrote:
>
> > Let me give an example of 'phenomena that had been
> investigated for
> > centuries' to no avail, until after the proper
> equipment was invented
> > and the phenomenon was explained scientifically:
> blood circulation.
>
>
LOVE THROUGH THE EYES OF CHILDREN
A group of professional people posed this question to a group of 4 to 8
year-
olds, "What does love mean?" The answers they got were broader and deeper
than
anyone could have imagined. See what you think:
- "When my grandmother got arthritis, she couldn't be
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From: "Nick Arnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 10:09 AM
Subject: When does it end? (RE: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words)
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PR
Programs that promote variants of the 'Victory Garden'
are gaining steam, as American children are gaining
too much weight.
http://www.msnbc.com/news/931272.asp
"...Thats exactly what those like Bryant Terry are
attempting to engineer. Eating healthy is synonymous
with whiteness for some of the
No one is free from bias. That would be impossible.
Absolutely. But the question is not whether one can be free of any bias,
but to what extent it colors their evaluations, and to what extent they
want to use "facts" to support their arguments.
Damon.
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--- Erik Reuter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> No, periods leaning more to trickle down have increased the gap between
> rich and poor more than have the trickle up leaning periods.
>
There you go. That is exactly what needs to be expressed and isn't. At least
not as loud as it should. Instead e
> From: Damon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> >I think the freedom from religion foundation is a good source.
> >Rationalist's tend to be. Religious nuts tend not to be.
>
> Well I detected a bias. I'm not saying that Bush's word is the Truth,
but
> then again I can't say that this source is absolutely
On Monday 2003-07-21 03:57, Erik Reuter wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 21, 2003 at 03:15:47AM -0700, Trent Shipley wrote:
> > The real problem with "share the wealth, trickle up" programs, besides
> > the fact that it might be immoral to tax the rich, is that they slow
> > growth.
>
> Do you have any data to
I think the freedom from religion foundation is a good source.
Rationalist's tend to be. Religious nuts tend not to be.
Well I detected a bias. I'm not saying that Bush's word is the Truth, but
then again I can't say that this source is absolutely unbiased and
critical. IOW, it seems like they
> From: Damon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> >Of course we all know who W blames the holocaust on:
> >http://www.ffrf.org/news/holocaust.html
>
> I'm no Bush apologizer but this seems to denounce one extreme by taking
the
> other extreme. Hitler's religious conviction isn't a clear cut as these
> aut
> -Original Message-
> From: David Hobby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 09:56 PM
> To: Killer Bs Discussion
> Subject: History of sodomy laws
>
>
> Here's part of a New York Times article, covering claims that
> strong enforcement of laws against homosexuality
Of course we all know who W blames the holocaust on:
http://www.ffrf.org/news/holocaust.html
I'm no Bush apologizer but this seems to denounce one extreme by taking the
other extreme. Hitler's religious conviction isn't a clear cut as these
authors would try to make it. There's many words one ca
"John D. Giorgis" wrote:
>
> At 11:40 PM 7/18/2003 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >Cut the war time crap! We are not under active attack.
>
> Which is why the US government instructed me to to stock a change of
> clothes, toiletries, a pillow, and a blanket in my office in case of an
> attack?
History according to W:
Last week, CIA Director George Tenet took responsibility for including
the allegation in Bush's address. Bush said Monday that he wouldn't have
included the uranium allegation if the CIA hadn't cleared it. He then
asserted that the United States had invaded Iraq only after
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Behalf Of John D. Giorgis
...
> Sorry Nick, but if you can find me someone who thought that the British
> reports of Iraqi atempts to acquire uranium in Africa was the lynchpin of
> the war argument, then maybe thi
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
> John D. Giorgis
...
> No, we are at war because September 11th caused this President to
> recognize
> that we had long since been at war in a way that we had not previously
> recognized.Moreover, 9/
On Mon, Jul 21, 2003 at 03:15:47AM -0700, Trent Shipley wrote:
> The real problem with "share the wealth, trickle up" programs, besides
> the fact that it might be immoral to tax the rich, is that they slow
> growth.
Do you have any data to support this? Because the data I've seen shows
exactly t
On Sunday 2003-07-20 18:54, Kevin Tarr wrote:
> From: Trent Shipley
>
> >In the US a huge problem with all 'trickle up' policies is that they
> > require legislative intervention. Laizie Faire (sp?) economic systems
> > stabilize with huge income and wealth disparities. In the US a
> > combinatio
At 11:32 PM 7/20/2003 -0400, you wrote:
On Sun, Jul 20, 2003 at 09:54:24PM -0400, Kevin Tarr wrote:
> What I'm trying to come around to: "trickle up" for good or evil has
> been in place seventy years,
In different degrees. The democrats tend to tilt it towards more
progressive taxation, and the R
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