RE: Our Demon-Haunted World

From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of meekerdb Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 10:03 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Our Demon-Haunted World On 11/8/2013 9:11 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote: From: everything-

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Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

On 11/8/2013 9:11 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote: *From:*everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *spudboy...@aol.com *Sent:* Friday, November 08, 2013 5:49 PM *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: Our Demon-Haunted World If you hol

RE: Our Demon-Haunted World

From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of meekerdb Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 8:12 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Our Demon-Haunted World On 11/8/2013 8:00 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote: Perhaps you may not know

RE: Our Demon-Haunted World

From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of spudboy...@aol.com Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 5:49 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Our Demon-Haunted World If you hold the Rational Optimist view aka Matt Ridley, people

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

On 9 November 2013 17:12, meekerdb wrote: > So why complain about the opium trade. > > As far as I am aware this is still prohibited, which causes the existence of black markets. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscrib

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

On 11/8/2013 8:00 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote: Perhaps you may not know that opiates were given to infants in the Victorian era to calm them down -- and yes it did keep them quiet and happy (until they required another fix of that special syrup... hehe). But did they have a right to it?

RE: Our Demon-Haunted World

Exactly - although it is especially true for oil - it also applies to any plantation or resource extraction based society. Often these types of countries are locked into larger mercantile systems, locked into markets and ruled by fifty families per country that feel greater affinity for the ruling

RE: Our Demon-Haunted World

Perhaps you may not know that opiates were given to infants in the Victorian era to calm them down - and yes it did keep them quiet and happy (until they required another fix of that special syrup. hehe). In Italy (and many other countries) there is no legal prohibition for minors drinking alcoho

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

On 9 November 2013 14:48, wrote: > If you hold the Rational Optimist view aka Matt Ridley, people will act > altruistic much more, if they get a reward, then in they get jack. A > dictatorship of your own preference is suitable for many, but not for most. > Plus, think about pure materiality. If

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

On 11/8/2013 5:48 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: If you hold the Rational Optimist view aka Matt Ridley, people will act altruistic much more, if they get a reward, then in they get jack. A dictatorship of your own preference is suitable for many, but not for most. Plus, think about pure material

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

On 11/8/2013 5:48 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: If you hold the Rational Optimist view aka Matt Ridley, people will act altruistic much more, if they get a reward, then in they get jack. A dictatorship of your own preference is suitable for many, but not for most. Plus, think about pure material

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

If you hold the Rational Optimist view aka Matt Ridley, people will act altruistic much more, if they get a reward, then in they get jack. A dictatorship of your own preference is suitable for many, but not for most. Plus, think about pure materiality. If a cruel dictator has his goon point a

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

Here is something related: http://forums.philosophyforums.com/threads/generalized-quantum-immortality-61505.html On 9 November 2013 14:13, LizR wrote: > I think in New Scientist. Perhaps. I'll let you know if I remember or find > it. > > > On 9 November 2013 12:22, Jason Resch wrote: > >> Li

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

I think in New Scientist. Perhaps. I'll let you know if I remember or find it. On 9 November 2013 12:22, Jason Resch wrote: > Liz, > > That is very interesting. Do you remember anything about this interview > (where it was, who was interviewing him, etc.)? > > Thanks, > > Jason > > > On Fri, N

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

Liz, That is very interesting. Do you remember anything about this interview (where it was, who was interviewing him, etc.)? Thanks, Jason On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 5:07 PM, LizR wrote: > In an interview Max Tegmark said that he expected to have a "truncated" > form of QI - he'd survive the qu

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

In an interview Max Tegmark said that he expected to have a "truncated" form of QI - he'd survive the quantum suicide experiment, but his brain would still deteriorate in any case until he eventually fades out ("like when an amoeba croaks" were his exact words, iirc) I think he also mentioned that

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 3:50 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 07 Nov 2013, at 00:51, LizR wrote: > > I was thinking specifically of Max Tegmark's MUH. He considers minds to be > "subsystems" of the maths - he doesn't say anything about computations > existing in arithmetic. So I think he probably h

Re: Re: [Mind and Brain] A definition of existence (being twofold)

Roger, Yes, but both Cass and I would agree that in these metaphysical matters, Theosophy must have for the time being the final say. As modified by scientific and mathematical enchroachment like comp. In Theosophy mass is a property of Matter. Matter has existence at the Physical level, mainly b

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

The 10^120 bits for the holographic visible universe is based on the Planck Scale and is the number of Planck Areas on its surface. Penrose estimates that it will maximize at 10^122 in the future. Richard On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 5:45 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 08 Nov 2013, at 06:51, LizR w

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

On 11/8/2013 2:34 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: I read a paper arguing in that direction, showing that Jordanian have much less tryanny thanks to the absence of oil. That makes sense. It is easier to do that type of business with Tyrant, than with elected people. Sure, in political theory it's kno

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

On 11/8/2013 12:10 AM, Chris de Morsella wrote: Ending the era of Prohibition will not mean kids will start smoking pot Hint they already are, and have been for a long time. Ending this dark era of Prohibition will mean that the greatest illicit funding engine ever devised will shut down and

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

On 08 Nov 2013, at 17:29, Chris de Morsella wrote: -Original Message- From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bruno Marchal Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 2:35 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Our Demon-Haunted

A clarification: nonphysical mental strings (massless) and physical strings (with mass)

Sorry for so many postings, I'll try to refrain, but this is a critical clarification. Sorry my confusion A clarification: nonphysical mental strings (massless) and physical strings (having actual mass) There are (possibly) physical strings which have mass and strings,as mental entities or

RE: Our Demon-Haunted World

Drug money flows through our banking systems, stock markets. The fruit of many decades of Prohibition - and the black money does get laundered --- becoming as you put it grey money. The drug criminal syndicates and government agencies that have covert understandings and dealings with them by now fo

RE: Our Demon-Haunted World

-Original Message- From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bruno Marchal Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 2:35 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Our Demon-Haunted World On 08 Nov 2013, at 03:44, Chris de Morsella wr

Re: Is mass mental or physical ?

On 08 Nov 2013, at 13:36, Roger Clough wrote: I need some help. Yesterday I made the claim that strings are massless and so are nonphysical (mental, by my definition). But you can show theoretically that strings have mass, based on line tension and other variables. So is mass physical ? Unl

Re: Re: [Mind and Brain] A definition of existence (being twofold)

Hi Cass Silva I've just posted a note which argues that all physical entities or variables such as mass are theoretical and therefor mental. You might disagree. Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000] See my Leibniz site at http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough - Receiving th

Is mass mental or physical ?

I need some help. Yesterday I made the claim that strings are massless and so are nonphysical (mental, by my definition). But you can show theoretically that strings have mass, based on line tension and other variables. So is mass physical ? Unless I am mistaken, mass is always defined in term

Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

On 08 Nov 2013, at 06:51, LizR wrote: On 7 November 2013 23:43, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 07 Nov 2013, at 04:40, Richard Ruquist wrote: I have no idea what the information capacity of a MWI multiverse is. 0, in Gods' eye. Surely the information capacity of the multiverse is equivalent to

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

Hi Chris, I can't agree more. If we look at the history of prohibition, it is always either a political tools, or unfair economy, or a way for bandits to steal money. In Turkey, where almost all man were smoking tobacco, a sultan decided (some centuries ago) to make it illegal for behead

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

On 08 Nov 2013, at 03:44, Chris de Morsella wrote: -Original Message- From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of spudboy...@aol.com Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 4:26 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Our Demon-

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

On 07 Nov 2013, at 23:12, meekerdb wrote: On 11/6/2013 6:42 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote: Either all humans enjoy human rights or none do. Human rights are a human invention. Human inventions are a human invention. Bruno As soon as a class of persons is created that are stripped of th

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

On 07 Nov 2013, at 03:42, Chris de Morsella wrote: Either all humans enjoy human rights or none do. That's the key point about human rights. The NDAA 2012 contains the dictator's trick (to abandon human right for some people). Just adding one comma would have made the NDAA acceptable, bu

Re: Computers, code and consciousness

On 07 Nov 2013, at 20:48, John Mikes wrote: Bruno, could you kindly tell me how could I find a universal machine? (No joke). I would LOVE to listen to them. John M Right now, you have one in front of you (more exactly: you have one incarnation of it in front of you). Then you have anoth

Re: String theory in Leibniz's platonic physics

On 07 Nov 2013, at 18:51, Roger Clough wrote: String theory in Leibniz's platonic physics Strings, being massless, are Leibniz's monads (mental) in his platonic physics (see below). In platonic physics, each monad is attached to its relevant physical particle, contains information on all of th

Re: shouldn't biology get a reboot?

On 07 Nov 2013, at 16:47, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: Now, the question, of questions. Can our minds/personality which produces ideas, transcends our tissue and bones? Yes. Since, we are speaking science here, and science is concerned with explaining "How" things work, exist, we will n

RE: Our Demon-Haunted World

From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of meekerdb Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 11:03 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Our Demon-Haunted World On 11/7/2013 9:57 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote: >> So if Florida repe