On 07 Nov 2013, at 03:42, Chris de Morsella wrote:
Either all humans enjoy human rights or none do.
That's the key point about human rights.
The NDAA 2012 contains the dictator's trick (to abandon human right
for some people). Just adding one comma would have made the NDAA
acceptable, but Obama's administrartion persistently refused the
change, and that means it is not a typo.
To me, it is a confession. Obama just admit he is a terrorist of some
sort.
As soon as a class of persons is created that are stripped of their
basic human rights society is on a slippery slope down into the dark
hell of totalitarianism. This brings up the paradox of crime &
punishment. Whenever a person is punished by society in some way and
their rights are restricted this creates a risk. Now obviously some
people need to be imprisoned – not nearly as many as are in fact
imprisoned, but some people are violent anti-social and commit harm
on others.
But once someone has paid their price and done their time if they
are then – as they are in this country – permanently stripped of
their civic rights (felons cannot vote – or own guns as well -- in
most states in the USA) it gets into the area of creating a sub-
human class of persons.
We are all people… even our enemies… even the worst amongst us; when
we deny this, we deny our own humanity.
Yes. Indeed. That is why everyone, in a working democracy, has the
right to remain silent, to get an attorney, etc.
I can "accept" exception in war time, or in some very special
circumstances, for a limited number of days. But those have to be
quite exceptional, secret, and not something we should ever be proud
of. I can accept the idea of torturing someone to find a bomb and save
500 children, for example, like in the 24 series, but that must be
very exceptional, and very circumstancial.
Bruno
-Chris
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On 06 Nov 2013, at 17:45, Chris de Morsella wrote:
Exactly. Already the techniques of social engineering are far more
advanced than they were even as recently as Goebbels time – and he
advanced the art of the Big Lie and of mass media propaganda and
brought it into the modern age. Goebbels would admire and recognize
our “managed free press” for what it is; he would be thrilled at how
Americans have become inculcated to view the word in terms of “good
guys” & “bad guys” and that it is okay to torture, murder, summarily
execute and commit whatever outrage against “bad guys” because they
are “terrorists” and therefore do not enjoy any human rights
whatsoever.
Yes. The NDAA 12 use "suspect of terrorist" to ensure the existence
of a collection of people (rather fuzzy here) which can be exempted
from the human right.
Goebbels, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Ceaucescu, would have applauded.
Goebbels, Hitler, Stalin would all nod their nasty heads in approval
at how we now have a so called “Patriot” act that strips of habeas
corpus – a right wrested from the aristocracy of the middle ages;
how we have become a nation of secret courts and secret “justice”.
And all the while the great dumbed down masses of this country
whilst they belch their no nutrition television dinner watching
their mind massaging TV programming very loudly believe they are the
most free, special, superior being that ever lived in history….
American exceptionalism.
They have been, and by many tokens still are, but the erosion is
quick, and on some key point, they lost worst than freedom, they
lost the information, and get lied, and so it takes time to realize
that.
The understanding of how the mind works and of how to vector in
drugs to it and the mass acceptance of mass medication has reached
the point where it is not out of the realm of the possible for a
happy pill to be developed and then – taken to the logical
conclusion of even further miniaturization and delivery as an
aerosol.
The only reason that this country has these angry tea party types
and the right wing (often racist and weirdly KKKristian) militias is
because they are useful tools for the plutocrats. They are America’s
brownshirts and though they may be surprised are acting as tools for
the narrow interests of the plutocrats who fund them, who yank their
strings and who make them dance to whatever tune suits their current
tactical needs.
In America the plutocrats have perfected the art of social
engineering – and Americans genuinely do believe they are free and
that anybody can be president (and that if you do not make it in
this rapacious greed driven society, it’s your own damn fault you
lazy bastard)
There is not going to be any revolution here… not for a long while.
The owners of America have everything under control and the peasants
believe they are a bunch of free birds.
Ah' Now I am depressed.
Wake up people! Ask your government explanations, ask proofs, not
free associations. Proofs. Evidences.
In life we have only one choice: logic or war. People which don't
give proof to you are doing war at you.
Bruno
-Chris
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On 6 November 2013 17:10, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:
On 11/5/2013 8:03 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote:
In the near future who knows… you may breath in some nano dust and
within minutes begin feeling a powerful compelling love for the dear
leader (or bankster) that fills you with an overriding motivation to
struggle harder to do your small part in increasing their glory. And
– in this dystopic vision -- it will be filled to the brim with a
relentless love for our leaders that we will march off to dreary
impoverished, dull, brutish, lives and early poisoned deaths on this
poor raped earth. Until the very end – brought on by systemic
collapse -- the various walled in pleasure palaces of the major
psychopaths will be kept fully stocked with the very best and in
these cloistered estates, the in-bred, inward looking clans of the
elite will engage in endless merriment marked by grand balls and
conspicuous displays of wealth and power – as they jostle amongst
each other for pecking order
And as the lowly prole dies his early death his face will be frozen
in a mask of perpetually induced love for the great leader… as deep
inside the soul writhes in agony.
Of course in the U.S. you can take up your arms and revolt - thanks
to the 2nd amendment.
Brent
Chris' point is that you wouldn't want to. This is the Brave New
World version of the future, rather than 1984.
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