Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-13 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 2/13/2014 11:33 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: *That's Eastern Orthodox Christianity, dingbat.* > Robin was an Advaita Vedantin, dingbat.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-13 Thread Share Long
Richard, I've just been reading a book of Mother Meera. She says: It is the law that the human has to change in order to unite with the Divine. Maybe she doesn't use an orthodox system but I think she's pretty enlightened! She also writes a lot about Paramatman. I wonder how that's different fro

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-13 Thread authfriend
That's Eastern Orthodox Christianity, dingbat. << Neither Eastern Orthodox nor Western Christianity permit the view that humans can become ontologically one with God. That remains the "seperative divide" between Eastern and Western religions. > What "Eastern Orthodox" philosophy supports the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-13 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 2/9/2014 9:45 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: On 2/8/2014 9:21 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Neither Eastern Orthodox nor Western Christianity permit the view that humans can become ontologically one with God. That remains the "seperative divide" between Eastern and Western religions. > Wh

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-10 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: I am not familiar enough with providers to know if you are able or not able to access that global.net address. But evidently Ann uses it, so perhaps it is more accessible than you think. Don't know. I do? I don't know diddly squat about co

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-10 Thread authfriend
Great. I'm really curious. I don't normally read NBC.com, but I took a look after I saw some of the complaints. It's worse than the Slate redesign, which up to now has been the worst mess I've ever seen. Hard to believe anyone could look at either of them and think, "Boy, this looks so snapp

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-10 Thread authfriend
Yup. It's run by the gal who's heading up the anti-Neo effort on the ModsandMembers Yahoo group. She's tireless, but it's kinda sad, because eventually she's going to have to throw in the towel after all that effort. << Before lunch I also had found this blog from a related search. Have you

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-10 Thread Bhairitu
Before lunch I also had found this blog from a related search. Have you seen it? http://modsandmembersblog.wordpress.com/2014/01/ On 02/10/2014 12:46 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: *Tried it just now, no luck. So you're not going to bother searching the group with Classic? Doesn't matter to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-10 Thread Bhairitu
I'll look but I had to go out for a business lunch that I just got back from and didn't have much of a chance just to try more specific searches on Google either. I tried one search that landed me in a post a few month back. I'll try it on my Windows machine which I just fired up. Have you lo

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-10 Thread authfriend
Tried it just now, no luck. So you're not going to bother searching the group with Classic? Doesn't matter to me personally, I'm just curious. << It's an open group like FFL. You can use Google to search for messages. Did you try that? >> On 02/10/2014 11:43 AM, authfriend@... mailto:au

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-10 Thread Bhairitu
It's an open group like FFL. You can use Google to search for messages. Did you try that? On 02/10/2014 11:43 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: *I've been reading the group ModsandMembers, which is a bunch of folks trying to get Yahoo to ditch Neo and bring back Classic. They are most likely

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-10 Thread Bhairitu
The back story on SBC Global where I am was Southern Bell took over various regional telecoms including PacBell in my area. Then they changed their name to AT&T through acquisition. But the old sbcglobal email address are still used. AT&T had Yahoo handle email. I also have two Yahoo email

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-10 Thread authfriend
You have to have a consumer account with AT&T (e.g., phone) to get an email address. My cell and landline are both with Verizon, so no dice. Just to remind you of your gratuitously nasty (and mistaken) post: << Richard, Judy, who loves to demean people can't see to figure out how access t

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-10 Thread authfriend
I've been reading the group ModsandMembers, which is a bunch of folks trying to get Yahoo to ditch Neo and bring back Classic. They are most likely going to fail at that. I remember--but can't locate any of the posts via Neo's search--some talk about AT&T and how the company insisted on staying

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-10 Thread steve.sundur
I am not familiar enough with providers to know if you are able or not able to access that global.net address. But evidently Ann uses it, so perhaps it is more accessible than you think. Don't know. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: And how is that supposed to help those of u

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-10 Thread authfriend
And how is that supposed to help those of us who don't have an s b c g l o b a l . n e t email address? << try again. it is __ @ s b c g l o b a l . n e t (without the spaces) >> ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Sure Judy, glad to oblige. I have an e-mail

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-10 Thread Bhairitu
I've got an sbcglobal.net email address too. I'm wondering if AT&T told Yahoo to roll out Neo to us last as they have already have enough support problems. :-D On 02/10/2014 10:53 AM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: Sure Judy, glad to oblige. I have an e-mail that I use at work. It is -

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-10 Thread steve.sundur
try again. it is __ @ s b c g l o b a l . n e t (without the spaces) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Sure Judy, glad to oblige. I have an e-mail that I use at work. It is @ When I am logged in under that e-mail address FFL shows up

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-10 Thread steve.sundur
Sure Judy, glad to oblige. I have an e-mail that I use at work. It is @sbcglobal.net. When I am logged in under that e-mail address FFL shows up under the old format, and I am able to read posts and use the search engine all as we used to do. ---In FairfieldLife@yaho

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-10 Thread authfriend
So Stevie, we're all still waiting for you to tell us how to access Groups Classic and its search feature. << Richard, Judy, who loves to demean people can't see to figure out how access the previous classic format and search feature. >>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-10 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 2/10/2014 6:38 AM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: Richard, Judy, who loves to demean people can't see to figure out how access the previous classic format and search feature. > It appears that Judy is still using Yahoo Neo and Yahoo Mail from her home office. So, yes it must be very demeanin

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-10 Thread authfriend
Fine, so tell us how we Neo victims should all be able to access Classic and use its search function. We'll try it out and let you know whether it works for us. IOW, put up or shut up. << No, Judykins, I did not say you could post using the old format, only that you could access it,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-10 Thread steve.sundur
No, Judykins, I did not say you could post using the old format, only that you could access it, and use the search engine. Calm down, and read again what I said. Easy does it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Actually, your saying it's a hoot is the hoot. Some people who ha

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-10 Thread authfriend
Actually, your saying it's a hoot is the hoot. Some people who have been switched to Neo are still able to access Classic; others are not. There's no "figuring out" involved for them; it's simply not possible. It has to do with how Yahoo's servers are set up, and eventually all traces of Classic

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-10 Thread steve.sundur
Richard, Judy, who loves to demean people can't see to figure out how access the previous classic format and search feature. Now, that is a hoot. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: On 2/9/2014 2:07 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote: You're in high form today

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 2/9/2014 10:29 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: it's a trick prick foul trap fib - that's what it was. Go figure. You're just feeling icky, not to mention prickly, that Robin pulled a fast one on Ricky and not a bit tickled that you ended up in such a pickle. If you act q

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: On 2/9/2014 3:21 PM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote: No one can stop bringing it up and talking about it and trying to use it to prove Robin actually disliked you and was serious. > So, nobody is taking Robin seriously when h

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 2/9/2014 8:38 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Bhagavad-Gita VI:27 > The yogin who is totally free of passion could attain a blissful state where the mind is blissful and tranquil all the time, free from the influence o raja guna. This would hardly describe Robin - at least he didn't descri

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 2/9/2014 8:47 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: > Robin said this passage from Science of Being and the Art of Living > perfectly described his experience of enlightenment: > From what I've read, I'd say that Robin experienced samadhi: saguna Brahman. If Robin had united with God, he would the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 2/9/2014 2:07 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: You're in high form today Judy. > It looks to me like Judy is working on Sunday again - judging by her response times she hasn't left her desk since six o'clock this morning. It looks like Judy is monitoring all of Steve's messages from her ho

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 2/9/2014 3:21 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: No one can stop bringing it up and talking about it and trying to use it to prove Robin actually disliked you and was serious. > So, nobody is taking Robin seriously when he threw Judy under the bus - it was just a trap message, a trick postin

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Actually, Ann, I don't recall anyone having tried to use it to claim Robin was serious recently except Richard, who's just trolling. Before that, the last folks to do it, way back when but months after the posts themselves, were Curtis and Vaj

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread authfriend
I think that's the first time I ever said it, actually. And it's not that they disagree with me, it's that they do so disagreeably and prickishly. (Not just with me, others as well.) << There are far too many disagreeable, dishonest pricks around here these days, as far as I'm concerned.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread salyavin808
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: There are far too many disagreeable, dishonest pricks around here these days, as far as I'm concerned. You've been saying that forever! Actually it only takes a few like yourself and Barry and Share and Richard to ruin a forum like FFL.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread authfriend
There are far too many disagreeable, dishonest pricks around here these days, as far as I'm concerned. Actually it only takes a few like yourself and Barry and Share and Richard to ruin a forum like FFL. << You're in high form today Judy. Well I suppose you've got something to hang your hat

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread steve.sundur
You're in high form today Judy. Well I suppose you've got something to hang your hat on, even it's being a disagreeable person most of the time. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Oh, didn't know that. Bully for you. Because I knew you weren't capable of using the Neo search to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread authfriend
Oh, didn't know that. Bully for you. Because I knew you weren't capable of using the Neo search to find it. Barry would be happy to help you (or anybody else) out if it meant you could diss Robin or me or Ann, so it was a logical assumption. << What Judy doesn't realize is that I have acc

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread steve.sundur
What Judy doesn't realize is that I have access to the classic format when I want, with the "classic" search function. I mentioned once already how this works with me, but evidently she missed it. On the other hand, this supposed collaboration between Barry and me is a new twist for her a

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread authfriend
Stevie, you have become a shameless liar in addition to a stupid and obnoxious twerp. << Share, Judy's MO has always been the same. When someone upends her supposed authority about something, as you have done many times, she simply resorts to personal attacks. It is called fallacy ad hom

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread authfriend
Actually, Ann, I don't recall anyone having tried to use it to claim Robin was serious recently except Richard, who's just trolling. Before that, the last folks to do it, way back when but months after the posts themselves, were Curtis and Vaj (and Curtis surely knew otherwise; he thought he cou

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread steve.sundur
Share, Judy's MO has always been the same. When someone upends her supposed authority about something, as you have done many times, she simply resorts to personal attacks. It is called fallacy ad hominem. When it comes to fallacies, it looks like she's got the market cornered. ---In

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread steve.sundur
you'll have to come up with something other than, "I am the authority on this matter" Put your sniffing out skills on this, and see what you can come up with. I'll wait ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Robin has, as I've already pointed out, described all this in his pos

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 2/9/2014 9:38 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: > Um, after suddenly being thrust into what seemed to be Unity > Consciousness on that mountain, and then having Maharishi apparently > confirm it, why would Robin need to study the Scriptures? He was > living them. > Because, it's not prudent to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: It's called "having fun," Richard. The most fun either of us ever had on FFL, in fact. We had a wonderful time throwing each other under the bus. And then an even better time laughing privately at the few gullible fools who thought we were seri

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 2/9/2014 9:44 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Sharelogic. As hopeless as Barrylogic, Stevielogic, and Rickylogic. > Versus your logic that you think Robin believed his enlightenment was a union with God? Nobody believes that unless they are delusional. Where exactly, did Robin equate being

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread authfriend
I was addressing Share, not you, Richard. But Eastern Orthodox Christianity, of course, affirms that God became man in Jesus Christ, just as Western Christianity does. Your question makes no sense, BTW. Of course Robin didn't get the idea that man became God in Jesus Christ from Maharishi

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 2/9/2014 9:49 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: It's called "having fun," Richard. The most fun either of us ever had on FFL, in fact. We had a wonderful time throwing each other under the bus. And then an even better time laughing privately at the few gullible fools who thought we were seriou

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 2/9/2014 10:48 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Do you have something to say relevant to what I wrote? > The "separative divide" between Eastern and Western orthodox religions is that the Western orthodox religion teaches that a man became God in the person of Jesus Christ. Eastern orthodox

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 2/9/2014 10:00 AM, Share Long wrote: > in the Gita Maharishi writes that at a certain point it is between the > devotee and God whether they become one or stay two so that there can > be that flow of devotion. > The key word here is "devotion", Share. Robin's main problem may have been his b

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread Share Long
Ann, it was enough of an event to ride the Vancouver buses with all those jolly people attending the 2010 Olympics! I'm with you about Neo and the archives so I probably won't be doing any searches. And in any case, I was replying to what Judy said the the internal lack of logic with what Robin

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread Share Long
Richard, about UC being unity with God: in the Gita Maharishi writes that at a certain point it is between the devotee and God whether they become one or stay two so that there can be that flow of devotion. It is from this and many Maharishi tapes that I got the idea that UC means union with God

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread authfriend
Robin has, as I've already pointed out, described all this in his posts. There was nothing new in the post Stevie misremembered. And obviously, as I also pointed out, Ann is not going to reveal any additional specific details of Robin's private life that he may have mentioned to her but not

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread Share Long
The purpose of studying scriptures is to integrate one's experience of enlightenment more completely. Also to smooth the process which I understand can be quite jarring. On Sunday, February 9, 2014 9:38 AM, "authfri...@yahoo.com" wrote:   Um, after suddenly being thrust into what seeme

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread authfriend
It's called "having fun," Richard. The most fun either of us ever had on FFL, in fact. We had a wonderful time throwing each other under the bus. And then an even better time laughing privately at the few gullible fools who thought we were serious. Do you think it may have run mostly in one

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread authfriend
Sharelogic. As hopeless as Barrylogic, Stevielogic, and Rickylogic. << Ann, I was responding to what Judy said that Robin said about the nature of enlightenment. This is a forum about that, among other topics. Judy used the phrases enlightened days and genuine enlightenment with regards to Rob

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 2/8/2014 9:21 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Neither Eastern Orthodox nor Western Christianity permit the view that humans can become ontologically one with God. That remains the "seperative divide" between Eastern and Western religions. > What "Eastern Orthodox" philosophy supports the not

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread authfriend
Um, after suddenly being thrust into what seemed to be Unity Consciousness on that mountain, and then having Maharishi apparently confirm it, why would Robin need to study the Scriptures? He was living them. (See my post with the SBAL quote.) he never appeared interested in learning more - w

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread Share Long
Ann, I was responding to what Judy said that Robin said about the nature of enlightenment. This is a forum about that, among other topics. Judy used the phrases enlightened days and genuine enlightenment with regards to Robin. Then she presented Robin's idea that enlightenment, including his, re

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread authfriend
Boy, I'll say. Her "logic" and her "sense" had me pegged as a devout Christian, if you can wrap your mind around that idiocy. And she has yet to acknowledge that huge goof. She and Stevie are quite a pair, aren't they? << Share, do yourself a favor and don't try using logic. In your case, tha

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread authfriend
Actually I'm not "adept" at finding stuff via Neo's advanced search feature; it's horrendously designed and fundamentally crippled. So I'm afraid you can't count on me to find stuff. I may get lucky, but it's a crapshoot. I suggested Barry retrieve your long exchange with Robin because he sti

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 2/8/2014 8:26 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: Do you think it may have run mostly in one direction, though? > The "parody" Robin posted about Judy was very revealing - why would Robin do that if they were such good friends. It's sort of like Robin throwing Judy under the bus. Go figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: On 2/8/2014 12:53 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: Robin's experience was of union with God. He believes it was a delusion. > So, it looks like we are agreed: Robin's experience of a "union with God' was delusional. And, Robin d

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread steve.sundur
So, you say I am mistaken about where he might have met with his friend, but you don't say where the meetings or get togethers might have taken place. For all we know it was Starbucks. You say that I am mistaken that it was not a "confessional", but you don't say what it was. All you sa

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 2/8/2014 5:20 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com wrote: he never appeared interested in learning more - whether about Catholic/Orthodox Christianity, Yogic Vedanta or Shankara’s Advaita Vedanta. I attribute this to a lack of genuine humility although he was constantly espousing a pseudo-humility. > C

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: On 2/8/2014 12:32 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: Let me put it this way: He believes all forms of enlightenment, etc., that entail the experience of union with God are delusionary. His viewpoint is strictly Judeo-Christian in

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 2/8/2014 2:58 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: God knows he said a lot in his time at FFL so you won't lack for reading material. > Can anyone on this forum point out where Robin posted to FFL that he believed that enlightenment consisted of being "united with God." If he did, he is delus

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 2/8/2014 1:21 PM, Share Long wrote: > My point is that Eastern traditions define enlightenment as union with > God. > Actually, no - "union with God" isn't mentioned in the Upanishads and not in Patanjali's Yoga Sutras. Of the Six Systems of Hinduism, only one system is theistic. According t

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread authfriend
FWIW, Robin said this passage from Science of Being and the Art of Living perfectly described his experience of enlightenment: "The Lord speaks through him, the omnipresent cosmic life gains expression in his activity, the omniscient is expressed in the limitations of the man's individual pe

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Judy I'm going by MY OWN sense of what Robin said, and using logic. Thus if he said that enlightenment per se is a delusion and he was enlightened. Then he is saying, according to logic, that he was deluded. And I think he went even further tha

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 2/8/2014 12:53 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Robin's experience was of union with God. He believes it was a delusion. > So, it looks like we are agreed: Robin's experience of a "union with God' was delusional. And, Robin did not understand the basics of TM or yoga. Robin was delusional an

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: No, go look up the fallacy of appeal to authority. You don't know what you're talking about, no surprise. You are wrong not because Ann is an authority, but because, duh, you got it wrong, and the evidence is on the record in the posts in th

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread authfriend
Bhagavad-Gita VI:27 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: On 2/8/2014 12:32 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: Let me put it this way: He believes all forms of enlightenment, etc., that entail the experience of union with God are delusionary. His viewpoint is strictly J

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 2/8/2014 12:46 PM, Share Long wrote: > Another question: was Robin saying that he experienced union with God? > Apparently, Share, this is what Robin believed - that he had achieved "union with God", which was delusional. It is delusional in the sense that he thought it was true, and delusio

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Anne, you are saying, "Trust me, because I know what is going on. I'm not going to tell you anything about it, but I'm in the know" No I'm not. I am saying the post you retrieved from the archives has nothing to do with your memory of what

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 2/8/2014 12:32 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Let me put it this way: He believes all forms of enlightenment, etc., that entail the experience of union with God are delusionary. His viewpoint is strictly Judeo-Christian in that regard: God is wholly, immutably Other; there can be no ontolog

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 2/8/2014 12:15 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: > I believe Robin was sincere in what he said > Except of course when Robin was posting a "parody". Go figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread authfriend
He can't even acknowledge he got it wrong about Robin never having addressed Ann directly, a matter of facts on the record. What a moral midget. Life must really be a terrifying experience for him. << Yes Judy. Whatever you say Judy. Appeal to Authority is a card you play everyday here. On

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread authfriend
Unfortunately, even if someone were holding a gun to your head, you would be utterly unable to come up with any "fantasies and delusions" on my part. << You are a funny lady Judy. As I said before, I'll let you run with your fantasies and delusions. It would not be in your best interest, at

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread authfriend
Ann and I have both explained to you, several times each, that "YOUR OWN" sense of what Robin said, and your use of what you call logic, are seriously flawed. It appears you are intellectually incapable of grasping that explanation. You haven't addressed it at all, even to disagree with it; you

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread steve.sundur
Yes Judy. Whatever you say Judy. Appeal to Authority is a card you play everyday here. Only you call it, "Appeal to My Authority". Basically a big joke. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: No, go look up the fallacy of appeal to authority. You don't know what you're talking abou

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread steve.sundur
You are a funny lady Judy. As I said before, I'll let you run with your fantasies and delusions. It would not be in your best interest, at least in the short term, to disabuse you of them. Everything eventually comes out in the wash. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: She is in

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-09 Thread Share Long
Judy I'm going by MY OWN sense of what Robin said, and using logic. Thus if he said that enlightenment per se is a delusion and he was enlightened. Then he is saying, according to logic, that he was deluded. And I think he went even further than that, saying he was under the control of outside a

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread authfriend
Missed this earlier... He didn't say his enlightenment was a delusion. He said enlightenment per se, although very real and genuine, is a delusion. You've been told this now five or six times between Ann and me, so now when you say it, it's a lie, because you know otherwise. You are atta

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread authfriend
No, go look up the fallacy of appeal to authority. You don't know what you're talking about, no surprise. You are wrong not because Ann is an authority, but because, duh, you got it wrong, and the evidence is on the record in the posts in this exchange plus Robin's post from December 2012. N

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread authfriend
She is in the know. On this point, as it happens, so am I. Of course neither of us is going to tell you anything about Robin's private life that he didn't divulge here; what are you, nuts? Ironically, though, as I told you before, he'd already written a number of times about his friend who "

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread steve.sundur
Ah, now this is Anne we've come to know. No worries. Anne, read Robin's post. Read the various comments I have made about it. Now, what I am gathering is that you think I am mistaken! Yes, I managed to pick that up.! Now, I've told you why I came to the conclusions I've come to. And yo

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread steve.sundur
Anne, you are saying, "Trust me, because I know what is going on. I'm not going to tell you anything about it, but I'm in the know" Well, I don't operate that way, and I don't know many who do. So as they say, and I don't mean this in an impolite way, but put up, or shut up. There is rea

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Anne, both you and Judy think that I totally missed the mark in my recollection of Robin's post from several years ago. I don't think I did miss the mark, at least by much. Steve, as I said, I don't really care one way or another but you d

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Anne, This post was over a year old. In the body of the post at some point by one of the participants is mentioned "Starbucks". Now if you wish to fault me over this detail, or any other detail, no problem. But I stand by the my overall

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread steve.sundur
Now you are making me laugh. Yes Judy, yes. That many holes at least. And you have called me on each of them. Thank God! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Wow, has it been that many holes you've dug for yourself and then couldn't get out of? << How many times have you said

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread steve.sundur
Judy, draw whatever conclusions you wish to draw. It is fine with me. If you feel I missed the point completely, I am okay with that. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Nowhere near, Stevie baby. Here's what you claimed: "And then we have his daily confessional with his friend

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread steve.sundur
Anne, This post was over a year old. In the body of the post at some point by one of the participants is mentioned "Starbucks". Now if you wish to fault me over this detail, or any other detail, no problem. But I stand by the my overall point that Robin had a friend that appeared to call

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread steve.sundur
God bless you Judy. God bless you. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Think you can get a little more morally smelly, Stevie-boy? Are you in some kind of competition with Share? << Anne, both you and Judy think that I totally missed the mark in my recollection of Robin's post

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread authfriend
Wow, has it been that many holes you've dug for yourself and then couldn't get out of? << How many times have you said such over the past 17 years? I'd say over a thousand. >> ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Translation: He can't figure out how to dig himself out of this h

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread authfriend
Think you can get a little more morally smelly, Stevie-boy? Are you in some kind of competition with Share? << Anne, both you and Judy think that I totally missed the mark in my recollection of Robin's post from several years ago. I don't think I did miss the mark, at least by much. Bu

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread steve.sundur
you're boring Judy. no one can beat you in this game of yours. and no sensible person would want to. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Stevie-poops, you aren't doing yourself any good with this crap. You aren't clever enough to patronize anybody; you just make yourself look incr

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread steve.sundur
How many times have you said such over the past 17 years? I'd say over a thousand. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Translation: He can't figure out how to dig himself out of this hole he's dug for himself. Standard Stevie. << Anne, for the moment, I am content to let my com

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread steve.sundur
Anne, both you and Judy think that I totally missed the mark in my recollection of Robin's post from several years ago. I don't think I did miss the mark, at least by much. But what is wrong with my feeling that Judy had some attachment to Robin? I mean she said as much, (and I am not goi

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread authfriend
He's been well trained by Barry. What do you expect? Is this where things start to gravitate below the belt? And if so, why Steve? Is it not possible to engage in a discussion without getting personal and far-fetched in your unfounded theories?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam

2014-02-08 Thread steve.sundur
Judy, you will just have to live with another unfulfilled desire. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Nope, as I said, Stevie-poo (and Ann has said as well), nowhere near. You got it wrong, that's obvious. Acknowledge it (or not), and move on. Judy, I don't want to throw cold w

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