Re: Base packaging

2003-09-19 Thread Paul Richards
On Fri, 2003-09-19 at 02:10, M. Warner Losh wrote: > P.S. How do you handle the packlist generation? The ports system > doesn't automatically generate these things, as far as I can tell, and > I didn't see anything that you've added to do this. > > My agenda, if you will, on this is to deal with

Re: Base packaging

2003-09-19 Thread Paul Richards
On Fri, 2003-09-19 at 02:02, M. Warner Losh wrote: > Why would you want to package sbin? Where do you see this work going? > What problems do you think this will solve? Doing things a top level > directory at a time isn't very interesting, but since it looks like a > demo, perhaps you could sketc

Re: Base packaging

2003-09-18 Thread Paul Richards
On Thu, 2003-09-18 at 12:09, Alexander Leidinger wrote: > On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 11:28:31 +0100 > Paul Richards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > We have programs in the ports tree which use our bsd.*.mk > > > infrastructure. Will there be a problem if such a progra

Re: Base packaging

2003-09-18 Thread Paul Richards
On Thu, 2003-09-18 at 11:25, Alexander Leidinger wrote: > On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 16:27:03 +0100 > Paul Richards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > However, I suspect that a marginally better place to use these would be > > > in the "make distribute" tar

Re: Base packaging

2003-09-17 Thread Paul Richards
On Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 06:53:41PM +0100, Nik Clayton wrote: > > On Wednesday, September 17, 2003, at 04:27 pm, Paul Richards wrote: > >I was thinking of adding an option to install so it registers the file > >in a plist rather than actually doing the install. A seperate &quo

Re: Base packaging

2003-09-17 Thread Paul Richards
On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 15:45, Mark Murray wrote: > Paul Richards writes: > > I've got a prototype setup that packages the base tree. It turned out to > > be very simple. It needs a lot more polishing and testing but it looks > > like this can definitely be made to work wit

Base packaging

2003-09-17 Thread Paul Richards
I've got a prototype setup that packages the base tree. It turned out to be very simple. It needs a lot more polishing and testing but it looks like this can definitely be made to work with just some tidying up and re-arranging of our existing make files. I've succesfully created packages of /sbin

Re: Text file busy

2003-09-05 Thread Paul Richards
On Thu, 2003-09-04 at 19:20, Tim Kientzle wrote: > Depends on how you're installing the binary. It has always been > safe to do either of the following: >* Rename the current executable and then install the new one. >* Unlink the current executable and then install the new one. > Many too

Text file busy

2003-09-04 Thread Paul Richards
Overwriting a file that's currently executing results in a "Text file busy" error. When did this start happening? This was something that was fixed way back on FreeBSD but it seems to be a problem again. Paul. intY has scanned this email for all known viruses (www.inty.com) __

Re: Email accounts on FreeBSD 5.1-RELEASE

2003-06-21 Thread Paul Richards
On Fri, Jun 20, 2003 at 05:16:11PM -0400, Alex Ayala wrote: > Ok, maybe...yes I read what I wrote and didn't quite explain what I really > wanted to say. > > I want to setup accounts on my box so users can retrieve emails by accessing > my pop server. Do I need to setup user accounts on my box wit

Re: kernel: lnc0: Missed packet -- no reviece buffer QWE

2003-06-11 Thread Paul Richards
On Wed, Jun 11, 2003 at 03:39:33PM +0100, Bruce Cran wrote: > I get this all the time on my FreeBSD 4.8-RELEASE system, which is a P75 with a > lnc NIC. The man page does say this driver is one of the more verbose ones, > and I think the message about no recieve buffer is just that the system cann

Re: CURRENT console setttings borked

2003-06-11 Thread Paul Richards
On Wed, Jun 11, 2003 at 11:21:16PM -0400, Andrew Lankford wrote: > Info about my buildworld: > > FreeBSD bogushost2 5.1-CURRENT FreeBSD 5.1-CURRENT #0: Wed Jun 11 21:33:34 EDT 2003 >[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/ARL5KERNEL i386 > > In addition to my pppoe/adsl connection no longer

sh job control

2003-06-11 Thread Paul Richards
I've installed a current built last night and job control no longer works in /bin/sh or /usr/local/bin/zsh, but it does with csh. ctr-c and ctrl-z are just ignored with both the sh style shells. -- Tis a wise thing to know what is wanted, wiser still to know when it has been achieved and wisest o

Re: kernel: lnc0: Missed packet -- no reviece buffer QWE

2003-06-11 Thread Paul Richards
On Wed, Jun 11, 2003 at 09:51:02PM +1000, Anthony Wyatt wrote: > Hi Everyone, > I'm in the process of hand building a FreeBSD 5.1 CURRENT #2 box. I now have a > booting system that I can log onto and use, but my network interface does not work > :-( > > I get lots of: > kernel: lnc0: Mi

Panic - blockable sleep lock

2003-06-10 Thread Paul Richards
Just got this: panic: blockable sleep lock (sleep mutex) sellck @ /usr/src/sys/kern/sys_generic.c:1190 Debugger("panic") Stopped at Debugger+0x54: xchgl %ebx,in_Debugger.0 db> t Debugger(c029bc34,c02de7a0,c029e847,df12da20,1) at Debugger+0x54 panic(c029e847,c02a9469,c029f08e,c029f065,4a6)

Re: Way forward with BIND 8

2003-06-06 Thread Paul Richards
On Fri, Jun 06, 2003 at 03:01:02AM -0700, Doug Barton wrote: > On Fri, 6 Jun 2003, Brad Knowles wrote: > > > At 12:09 AM -0700 2003/06/06, Doug Barton wrote: > > > > > FYI, for those wondering why I'm not considering BIND 9 for import, please > > > see http://people.freebsd.org/~dougb/whybind8.h

Re: VFS: C99 sparse format for struct vfsops

2003-06-06 Thread Paul Richards
On Thu, Jun 05, 2003 at 04:06:16PM +0100, Doug Rabson wrote: > On Thu, 2003-06-05 at 15:51, Paul Richards wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 04, 2003 at 02:43:20PM +0100, Doug Rabson wrote: > > > On Wed, 2003-06-04 at 14:16, Paul Richards wrote: > > > > On Wed, Jun 04, 2003 at

Re: VFS: C99 sparse format for struct vfsops

2003-06-06 Thread Paul Richards
On Wed, Jun 04, 2003 at 02:43:20PM +0100, Doug Rabson wrote: > On Wed, 2003-06-04 at 14:16, Paul Richards wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 04, 2003 at 01:33:46PM +0100, Doug Rabson wrote: > > > > > Interfaces actually can be added at runtime. Existing objects (i.e. > > > ob

Re: VFS: C99 sparse format for struct vfsops

2003-06-04 Thread Paul Richards
On Wed, Jun 04, 2003 at 01:33:46PM +0100, Doug Rabson wrote: > Interfaces actually can be added at runtime. Existing objects (i.e. > objects instantiated before the new interface was added) will continue > to work as before. If methods from the new interface are called on old > objects, the defaul

Re: ACPI and PCI vs interrupt routing on Sony VAIO's

2003-06-04 Thread Paul Richards
On Wed, Jun 04, 2003 at 04:42:56AM -0700, Jun Su wrote: > Good Explain. > The same problem is in my PCG-R505DC. Yes, it sounds exactly like the problem with my laptop too. -- Tis a wise thing to know what is wanted, wiser still to know when it has been achieved and wisest of all to know when it

Re: VFS: C99 sparse format for struct vfsops

2003-06-04 Thread Paul Richards
On Wed, Jun 04, 2003 at 12:09:00PM +0100, Doug Rabson wrote: > On Mon, 2003-06-02 at 21:04, Paul Richards wrote: > > On Tue, 2003-06-03 at 18:19, M. Warner Losh wrote: > > > > > > Notice how thread 1's _m gets set based on the results of the kobj > > > lo

Re: VFS: C99 sparse format for struct vfsops

2003-06-04 Thread Paul Richards
On Wed, Jun 04, 2003 at 10:01:07AM +0100, Doug Rabson wrote: > On Tuesday 03 June 2003 12:00 am, Paul Richards wrote: > > On Tue, 2003-06-03 at 23:09, M. Warner Losh wrote: > > > In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > Paul Richards <[E

Re: VFS: C99 sparse format for struct vfsops

2003-06-04 Thread Paul Richards
On Wed, 2003-06-04 at 00:03, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Paul Richards wr > ites: > >On Tue, 2003-06-03 at 22:36, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > >> I thought the point in KOBJ was that it was extensible so you could > >>

Re: fxp0: device timeout with 5.1BETA2

2003-06-04 Thread Paul Richards
On Tue, 2003-06-03 at 23:17, Tobias Roth wrote: > On Mon, Jun 02, 2003 at 10:59:22PM +0100, Paul Richards wrote: > > On Tue, 2003-06-03 at 22:00, Tobias Roth wrote: > > > > > > fxp0: device timeout > > > > > > > I get these as well. Is it on irq9

Re: VFS: C99 sparse format for struct vfsops

2003-06-04 Thread Paul Richards
On Tue, 2003-06-03 at 23:09, M. Warner Losh wrote: > In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Paul Richards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > : The possible methods available in an interface are fixed, they're > : defined in the .m files. > > No it isn'

Re: fxp0: device timeout with 5.1BETA2

2003-06-04 Thread Paul Richards
On Tue, 2003-06-03 at 22:00, Tobias Roth wrote: > Hi > > I still get a > > fxp0: device timeout > I get these as well. Is it on irq9 by any chance, along with acpi0 ? -- Tis a wise thing to know what is wanted, wiser still to know when it has been achieved and wisest of all to know when it i

Re: VFS: C99 sparse format for struct vfsops

2003-06-04 Thread Paul Richards
On Tue, 2003-06-03 at 22:36, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, John Baldwin writes: > > > >On 02-Jun-2003 Paul Richards wrote: > >> On Mon, 2003-06-02 at 21:04, Paul Richards wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> The

Re: VFS: C99 sparse format for struct vfsops

2003-06-04 Thread Paul Richards
On Mon, 2003-06-02 at 21:04, Paul Richards wrote: > > The tradeoff with using an index into an array is that there'd be a > heavy penalty for growing the array if an extra method didn't fit, but > that would be exceptionally rare and with our present usage we'd never &

Re: VFS: C99 sparse format for struct vfsops

2003-06-04 Thread Paul Richards
On Tue, 2003-06-03 at 18:19, M. Warner Losh wrote: > In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Paul Richards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > : I'm not sure that kobj actually needs to be MP safe if the kobj > : struct is always embedded in a structure at a higher le

Re: VFS: C99 sparse format for struct vfsops

2003-06-04 Thread Paul Richards
On Tue, Jun 03, 2003 at 08:56:59AM -0600, M. Warner Losh wrote: > In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Paul Richards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > : You should look at kobj, it's precisely this sort of dynamic > : dispatching that it was designed to support

Re: VFS: C99 sparse format for struct vfsops

2003-06-03 Thread Paul Richards
On Mon, Jun 02, 2003 at 09:04:11AM -0700, Hiten Pandya wrote: > On Mon, Jun 02, 2003 at 08:17:03AM -0700, Terry Lambert wrote: > > Hiten Pandya wrote: > > > My fingers have been itching to do this since the day phk@ planted this > > > idea in my brain (re: cdevsw initialisations). Basically, it ch

Re: Libthr stable enough for testing

2003-06-03 Thread Paul Richards
On Thu, May 29, 2003 at 06:28:26PM -0400, James Tanis wrote: > On Thu, 29 May 2003 17:39:18 -0400 (EDT) > John Baldwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > It has been committed. Build rtld with WITH_LIBMAP defined and then > > setup a libmap.conf. > > > > -- > > Alright, I compiled and

Re: cvs commit: src/sys/contrib/dev/acpica - Imported sources

2003-06-03 Thread Paul Richards
On Wed, May 28, 2003 at 03:39:44PM -0700, Nate Lawson wrote: > On Wed, 28 May 2003, Larry Rosenman wrote: > > > --On Wednesday, May 28, 2003 03:59:24 -0500 Larry Rosenman > > >> Ok, with today's sources, I still get a page not present panic for > > >> address (0x7) on transistion to battery. > > >

Re: policy on GPL'd drivers?

2003-05-29 Thread Paul Richards
On Wed, 2003-05-28 at 17:48, dave wrote: > > > > I don't think anyone is talking about symbol versioning. The issue is > > stamping the API at a particular point in time that shows it behaves in > > a specified guaranteed way. > > > > The module system has all the hooks to deal with versioning. Wha

Re: policy on GPL'd drivers?

2003-05-29 Thread Paul Richards
On Wed, May 28, 2003 at 12:04:17PM +0200, Marcin Dalecki wrote: > Harti Brandt wrote: > > >MD>NO no and again no. This would repeat the same design mistake > >MD>that is already in Linux. On API level you DO NOT WANT versioning. > >MD>What you really want is: type signature cheking. Like for examp

Re: gbde Performance - 35Mb/s vs 5.2 MB/s

2003-05-28 Thread Paul Richards
On Wed, May 28, 2003 at 10:11:19AM +0200, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Guido van Rooij writes: > >On Mon, May 26, 2003 at 02:25:08PM +0200, Heiko Schaefer wrote: > >> > >> Poul gave me the following tip on this list in a mail on Tue, 29 Apr 2003: > >> > >> "Remember

Re: ACPI thermal panics ThinkPad 600X

2003-02-16 Thread Paul Richards
2-15 at 02:49, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > ACPI thermal panics my ThinkPad 600X, is anyone > interested in a crash dump analysis? > > > Cheers, -- Paul Richards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> FreeBSD Services Ltd To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message

Re: 5.0 Freezes under high load with SMP.

2003-01-17 Thread Paul Richards
On Tue, Jan 14, 2003 at 05:19:36PM -0800, wade wrote: > I tried this, but when the box froze, the keyboard was completely > unresponsive, no numlock, nothing. No interrupts getting serviced. I don't know if it's the same bug or not but writing a CD with burncd lock my box up solid as well. Strang

Re: Current issues

2002-12-10 Thread Paul Richards
On Tue, Dec 10, 2002 at 04:02:14PM -0500, Joe Marcus Clarke wrote: > On Tue, 2002-12-10 at 15:48, Kris Kennaway wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 10, 2002 at 02:01:08PM +0000, Paul Richards wrote: > > > > > 3) The compiler won't build some C++ packages, evolution being the >

Current issues

2002-12-10 Thread Paul Richards
I'm trying to thrash 5.0 a bit but I've run into some rather more basic issues right off. 1) I think I'm suffering from the 1GB memory hang problem. I'm definitely getting the hangs :-) I'll leave this for now since I'll do some more testing tonight and it's already been raised by someone else any

Re: Removing perl in make world

2002-07-06 Thread Paul Richards
On Sat, 2002-07-06 at 13:29, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > On Fri, Jul 05, 2002 at 10:45:41AM +0100, Paul Richards wrote: > > I think we should add a target to make world that checks for the > > existence of an old base install of Perl and removes it if it exists. > > > > As

Re: Removing perl in make world

2002-07-06 Thread Paul Richards
On Sat, 2002-07-06 at 03:46, Garance A Drosihn wrote: > At 3:05 AM +0100 7/6/02, Paul Richards wrote: > >Let's start with a premise: No-one running current is using > >it for anything other than developing FreeBSD. > > This is assumption is too limiting. It shouldn

Re: Removing perl in make world

2002-07-05 Thread Paul Richards
should not be touched other than by make world, and $date is the date of the last install). The only tweak that is necessary is in the case of /usr/lib, where files should be moved to a compat dir and not deleted. I do this periodically on my dev box and it does show up issues. I think it'

Re: Removing perl in make world

2002-07-05 Thread Paul Richards
usr/lib /usr/libexec /usr/share \ > -type f -mtime +1 -delete That is precisely what I do periodically (along those lines anyway), and it is often the case that when I do so I find that I've been running -cruft and not -current at all. -- Paul Richards| FreeBSD Ser

cdefs and XFree86

2002-04-04 Thread Paul Richards
The recent changes to /usr/include/sys/cdefs.h have broken the build of XFree86-Server. The problem is with the _XOPEN_SOURCE macro. At line cdefs.h it's checked i.e. #if _XOPEN_SOURCE >= 600 but in XFree86 it's defined as #define _XOPEN_SOURCE Paul. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PRO

Re: HEADSUP ATA support for newer SiS chipsets added

2001-12-04 Thread Paul Richards
05947 bytes/sec) 1+0 records in 1+0 records out 524288 bytes transferred in 0.056325 secs (9308271 bytes/sec) 1+0 records in 1+0 records out 524288 bytes transferred in 0.056482 secs (9282398 bytes/sec) root@lobster# atapci0: port 0xb800-0xb80f at device 31.1 on pci0 ad0: 58644MB [119150/16/63

Re: Undefined symbol "__stderrp"

2001-09-29 Thread Paul Richards
a developer. We certainly want to encourage more developers to run -current but we don't really want users to be running it. Paul Richards FreeBSD Services Ltd http://www.freebsd-services.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message

Re: /usr/games/wtf

2001-08-21 Thread Paul Richards
belong as ports. Which I wont argue with at all. Neither will I :-) Paul Richards FreeBSD Services Ltd To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message

Re: /usr/games/wtf

2001-08-21 Thread Paul Richards
lates acronyms for you > > SYNOPSIS > wtf [is] acronym ... > > husky:~$wtf is pola > POLA: principle of least astonishment > husky:~$ I can't see any benefits to having this in the base system. Make it a port instead. Paul Richards FreeBSD Services Ltd To Unsubscr

su, PAM and zsh

2001-05-09 Thread Paul Richards
There's a strange interaction between su, pam znd zsh. If you su to an account that has zsh as its shell and then hit ctrl-c it will kill the shell that you invoked su from. If you recompile su with -DNOPAM then the problems go away and this doesn't seem to happen with any other shells either.

Lots of interrupts!

2001-05-06 Thread Paul Richards
My dev box seems to be a bit sick and has been for a day or two. If anything disk intensive is taking place, and it seems to be particularly when gzipping/unzipping files, say when building mozilla during the extract step, things start to crawl and I'm seeing hundreds (500-1200) of interrupts a s

Re: Fw: Stop annoying message of lnc

2001-03-18 Thread Paul Richards
Ian Dowse wrote: > > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mike Smith writes: > > > >I don't quite understand Paul's reasoning, though; it's not actually > >useful to unload/reload parts of a device's bus attachment without > >unloading/reloading all the downstream parts of the driver. What do you mea

Re: Ethernet entropy harvesting seriously pessimizes performance

2001-03-16 Thread Paul Richards
"Matthew N. Dodd" wrote: > > On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, Mark Murray wrote: > > Lots of security minded people what _all_ the interrupt entropy > > they can get, and this method gives them that while allowing others > > to throttle the harvester back. > > Lots of -CURRENT users want to be able to use t

Re: cp MAKEDEV /dev - on a system with devfs

2001-03-15 Thread Paul Richards
Garrett Wollman wrote: > > < said: > > > There's one real oddity in FreeBSD: > > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel 13 Jan 28 13:42 rmt -> /usr/sbin/rmt* > > The pathname of the `rmt' program is a fundamental part of the `rmt' > ``protocol'' such as it is. We've been over this one many

Re: Patch for FILE problems (was Re: -CURRENT is bad for me...)

2001-02-15 Thread Paul Richards
David O'Brien wrote: > > We only bumped due to interface changes in the .MAJOR.MINOR days. The > difference is *adding* an interface today does in cause a bump. In the > .MAJOR.MINOR days it would require a bump the MINOR number. In both > days, an incompatible change in an existing interfac

Re: pkg_update

2001-02-14 Thread Paul Richards
Will Andrews wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 14, 2001 at 03:10:14PM +, Paul Richards wrote: > > The problem is that 'make install' in a port doesn't check dependencies > > properly, whereas pkg_install does. > > Uh, actually, 'make install' do

Re: pkg_update

2001-02-14 Thread Paul Richards
Leif Neland wrote: > > > On Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 08:23:35PM -0600, Michael C . Wu wrote: > > > On Thu, Feb 08, 2001 at 01:56:11AM +0100, Leif Neland scribbled: > > > | It seems pkg_update is only usable when installing from packages, not from > > > | ports. > > > > > > Because it is a package upd

Re: Patch for FILE problems (was Re: -CURRENT is bad for me...)

2001-02-13 Thread Paul Richards
David O'Brien wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 04:24:00PM +, Paul RichardsF wrote: > > When we dropped minor numbers I had a worry that we'd run into one of > > Windows' greatest problems and we have. Applications that are developed > > and tested to work with a particular library might not

Re: DPT SmartRAID V, VI, Adaptec SCSI RAID driver committed

2000-09-13 Thread Paul Richards
ple want > to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force > people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] That's a good quote, maybe it should go in fortune. Paul Richards FreeBSD Services Ltd To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message

Re: Request for review/comments - new option for uname(1)

2000-08-25 Thread Paul Richards
Mark Ovens wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 02:33:44PM -0400, Will Andrews wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 12:59:29AM +0100, Mark Ovens wrote: > > > Is there any reason why this is unacceptable and could not be committed? > > > > Because it can be done with an awk/sed script? > > > > I'll f

Re: make buildworld br0ken in libutil

2000-08-24 Thread Paul Richards
Mark Murray wrote: > > > Why does crypt need to be in libc? Not even a significant fraction of > > applications need crypt? > > Goes for very many libc components. Quite a lot of userland needs libcrypt > (not much as a proportion, but a non-insignificant number). This runs counter to my gut i

Re: Why no CDR ioctls for SCSI cds?

2000-08-23 Thread Paul Richards
Alexander Leidinger wrote: > > On 23 Aug, Paul Richards wrote: > > >> > On a vaguely related topic, after much searching I can't seem to see one > >> > way or the other if we can do a complete bit-by-bit copy of a cd with > >> > either cdrecord

Re: Why no CDR ioctls for SCSI cds?

2000-08-23 Thread Paul Richards
"Kenneth D. Merry" wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 20:43:15 -0400, Laurence Berland wrote: > > On a vaguely related topic, after much searching I can't seem to see one > > way or the other if we can do a complete bit-by-bit copy of a cd with > > either cdrecord or burncd, though it's possible

Re: make buildworld br0ken in libutil

2000-08-22 Thread Paul Richards
Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven wrote: > > -On [2822 17:55], Ollivier Robert ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > >According to Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven: > >> Alternatively the sentiment just rose why we couldn't just collapse the > >> crypt/hash functions of libcrypt into libc. > >> > >> It would

Re: Ugly, slow shutdown

2000-08-07 Thread Paul Richards
David Greenman wrote: > > >In the particular case of sleeping though, a woken process does need to > >check the condition that it slept on because one of the other processes > >sleeping on that resource may have had a chance to run first and changed > >some state. So as a general rule, you should

Re: Ugly, slow shutdown

2000-08-07 Thread Paul Richards
David Greenman wrote: > > >>Can you give a reason why we'll have to now start coding defensively > >>because our arguments to tsleep() are just "advisory" now? > > > >It is not something we "suddenly have to do" it's been The Right Way > >even since I first sharpened my teeth on unix kernels many

Re: Panic during boot under current

2000-06-11 Thread Paul Richards
Brian Somers wrote: > > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Archie Cobbs > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes > > >Brian Somers writes: > > >> Also (Mark sits beside me at work), is there anyone else out there > > >> that actually runs FreeBSD-current under VMWare (irrespective of the > > >> host OS) ? >

Re: Breaking "build world" costs $5? (was: Can we please have acurrent that compiles?)

2000-05-15 Thread Paul Richards
"Brian W. Buchanan" wrote: > > On Mon, 15 May 2000, Greg Lehey wrote: > > > > I see this money scheme as an extension of the "finger pointing" > > > which does nothing to build team spirit. > > > > That depends very much on the way it's taken. At the moment, people > > take the pointy hat volun

Re: SMP changes and breaking kld object module compatibility

2000-04-25 Thread Paul Richards
"Brandon D. Valentine" wrote: > > On Tue, 25 Apr 2000, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: > > >Because if we do not provide a STABLE ABI, we WON'T get third-party > >(binary only) kernel modules. > > > >I'm very divided in this issue. 4.x has just started, and would be > >seriously impaired if no further i

Re: SMP changes and breaking kld object module compatibility

2000-04-25 Thread Paul Richards
Bill Fumerola wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 24, 2000 at 04:46:43AM -0500, Richard Wackerbarth wrote: > > > >From the USER's perspective, anything that requires me to as much as reload > > a module/program that I have already installed "breaks" it. > > The fact that it is only necessary to recompile it

Re: Stale modules (Re: panic in the morning)

2000-04-20 Thread Paul Richards
Will Andrews wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 20, 2000 at 11:56:08AM +0100, Paul Richards wrote: > > that rapid developer folks can disable it. > > ITYM "rabid". And I kinda resent that.. ;-) I really did mean rapid, as in those that are installing kernels every 10 mins to

Re: Stale modules (Re: panic in the morning)

2000-04-20 Thread Paul Richards
Warner Losh wrote: > > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Alex Zepeda writes: > : Perhaps it's time to implement some sort of versioning in the modules to > : prevent them from being loaded into the incorrect kernel. > > In theory that sounds nice, but in -current the kernel ABI changes too > quickl

Re: FreeBSD Build status

2000-04-17 Thread Paul Richards
"Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: > > > But does this also check the kernels ? It was my understanding that > > it only did world/release ? > > It only does the world/release (and it's the chrooted make release > "world build" which is reported on, not the host system's BTW) but > could easily add a k

Re: RSA library problems

2000-03-23 Thread Paul Richards
Kris Kennaway wrote: > > On Thu, 23 Mar 2000, Paul Richards wrote: > > > > Because the dlopen() of librsaintl.so fails. > > > > Ok, I give up :-) Why would that happen then ? > > I don't know :-) I stuck a dlerror() in there and the problem is

Re: RSA library problems

2000-03-22 Thread Paul Richards
Kris Kennaway wrote: > > On Thu, 23 Mar 2000, Paul Richards wrote: > > > > Because the dlopen() of librsaintl.so fails. > > > > Ok, I give up :-) Why would that happen then ? > > I don't know :-) > > > I'm not the only person seeing th

Re: RSA library problems

2000-03-22 Thread Paul Richards
Kris Kennaway wrote: > > On Thu, 23 Mar 2000, Paul Richards wrote: > > > I'm picking up my secure code from internat so why is modssl trying to > > use rsaref rather than the international rsa? > > Because the dlopen() of librsaintl.so fails. Ok, I give up :-)

RSA library problems

2000-03-22 Thread Paul Richards
I've posted this to current because it seems to be related to the OpenSSL code. Apache-modssl throws out the error below when you try to access a SSL port. The only place I can find this message is in the openssl/rsaref/rsaref_stubs.c where it tries to open librsaref.so I'm picking up my secure

Re: Another current crash (cvs-cur.6183

2000-03-21 Thread Paul Richards
Paul Richards wrote: > > > A few more details > > #11 0xc0167ae6 in biodone (bp=0xc3236250) at ../../kern/vfs_bio.c:2706 > 2706(*b_iodone) (bp); > > #10 0xc01df583 in swp_pager_async_iodone (bp=0xc3236250) > at ../../vm/vm_page.h:346 > 34

Re: Another current crash (cvs-cur.6183

2000-03-21 Thread Paul Richards
Stephen Hocking-Senior Programmer PGS SPS Perth wrote: > > cvs-cur.6183 appeared to fix the crash I reported under disk activity & NFS > but another one has reared its face, when using java with tya15 jit, running > the Together java IDE. > > #0 boot (howto=256) at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:30

Re: FreeBSD random I/O performance issues

2000-03-21 Thread Paul Richards
Richard Wendland wrote: > I spent a bit of time analysing these results when I first saw them. I don't think it has anything to do with the cache, it has to do with how we write out blocks. > One interesting observation is that for non sync, async or noclusterw > mounts ~8750 I/O operations are

Re: patches for test / review

2000-03-20 Thread Paul Richards
Alfred Perlstein wrote: > > * Poul-Henning Kamp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [000320 11:45] wrote: > > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Alfred Perlstein writes: > > > > >Keeping the currect cluster code is a bad idea, if the drivers were > > >taught how to traverse the linked list in the buf struct rather

Re: MAX_UID ?

2000-03-14 Thread Paul Richards
Bruce Evans wrote: > > On Sun, 12 Mar 2000, John Polstra wrote: > > > Sheesh, criticism isn't enough? Now it has to be constructive too? ;-) > > > > I guess it could go into in the > > "!defined(_ANSI_SOURCE)" section. Bruce might have a better idea. Trying to draw some closure on this discu

Re: MAX_UID ?

2000-03-12 Thread Paul Richards
Peter Jeremy wrote: > > On 2000-Mar-13 13:14:40 +1100, Paul Richards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >#define UID_MAX ((uid_t)0-1) > ... > >I can see the flaw in that straight away in that uid_t isn't available > >in > > Not a problem. C macros

Re: MAX_UID ?

2000-03-12 Thread Paul Richards
John Polstra wrote: > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > Paul Richards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > John Polstra wrote: > > > > > > I guess it could go into in the > > > "!defined(_ANSI_SOURCE)" section. Bruce might have a b

Re: MAX_UID ?

2000-03-12 Thread Paul Richards
Peter Jeremy wrote: > > On 2000-Mar-13 12:01:03 +1100, Paul Richards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >id = strtoul(p, (char **)NULL, 10); > >if ((errno == ERANGE) || (id >= UID_MAX)) { > >warnx("%s > max uid value (%lu)", p, UID_MAX); > &

Re: MAX_UID ?

2000-03-12 Thread Paul Richards
John Polstra wrote: > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > Paul Richards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > They must not go into . That header file is defined by > > > the ANSI/ISO C standard. The standard doesn't permit polluting the

Re: MAX_UID ?

2000-03-12 Thread Paul Richards
Garrett Wollman wrote: > > < said: > > > We could create a new include file that we use for constants that are > > related to FreeBSD specific types or we can agree on a coding style for > > performing bounds checking using tricks like ((uid_t)0-1) > > Or we can do it the right way, by assignin

Re: MAX_UID ?

2000-03-12 Thread Paul Richards
Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 12, 2000 at 05:59:09AM +, Paul Richards wrote: > > > > Are expressions like ((uid_t)0-1) portable/safe ? Maybe that's a better > > way of approaching this. > > To get the all-1's number, maybe it's bett

Re: MAX_UID ?

2000-03-11 Thread Paul Richards
John Polstra wrote: > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > Paul Richards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I think we need a MAX_UID and a MAX_GID to perform checks like this. > > Anyone got any objections to adding them to /usr/include/limits.h ? > &

MAX_UID ?

2000-03-11 Thread Paul Richards
The fix I applied to pwd_mkdb is an improvement over what was there before i.e. nothing, but is a poor solution at the moment since it won't work correctly on the alpha. The following code snippet is OK on the i386 but on the alpha ULONG_MAX is 64 bits and so is a totally wrong constant to check

Re: The pw command

2000-03-10 Thread Paul Richards
Kris Kennaway wrote: > > On Fri, 10 Mar 2000, Paul Richards wrote: > > > Non-root users can use the pw command to get information from the > > master.passwd file e.g. > > > > ps showuser paul > > paul:*:1000:1000::0:0:& Richards:/home/paul:/usr/local/b

The pw command

2000-03-09 Thread Paul Richards
Non-root users can use the pw command to get information from the master.passwd file e.g. ps showuser paul paul:*:1000:1000::0:0:& Richards:/home/paul:/usr/local/bin/bash which shows the class, password expiry and account expiry. I'm not sure whether that's information that should be kept secure

Re: ssh strangeness in -current...

2000-03-08 Thread Paul Richards
"Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: > > > I have upgraded a machine to the latest -current snapshot (it > > was running a -current from the end of January before). Every- > > thing went fine, except for one thing: ssh didn't work anymore. > > It used to work fine before. > > You really need to read the

Re: feedback on CD install of 4.0-RC2

2000-02-21 Thread Paul Richards
Jonathan Lemon wrote: > > In article [EMAIL PROTECTED]> you write: > >Kai Großjohann wrote: > >> > >> "Jordan K. Hubbard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> > >> > I really kinda wish you'd point them to Novice^H^H^H^H^HStandard > >> > instead since it does more than be a bit more verbose, it also

Re: Crypto progress! (And a Biiiig TODO list)

2000-02-21 Thread Paul Richards
Mark Murray wrote: > > > Mark Murray wrote: > > > > I'm very uncomfortable with requiring Yet Another Daemon to manage > > > > (and screw up) password checking. Generally speaking, if I wouldn't > > > > trust a program with root privileges, I wouldn't trust it with my > > > > password, either (f