As someone mentioned earlier, you have to use
https://indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume and not the link that appears
at the bottom of the messages. Does unsubscribing from this page not work?
There seems to be hardly any traffic on the list anyway - all gone to
social media, I suppose.
Kate
Lia,
Can you give us a clue as to the general period the image is from? Is it a
photograph, or something earlier?
Kate Bunting
Retired librarian & 17th century reenactor
On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 12:18 AM, Hansen, Lia
wrote:
> Subject: Help in dating an image
>
> My friend is an
I wasn't snarking, merely asking for information. I thought the bare
shoulders were wrong for the period, even as "extreme" fashion, and wanted
to confirm my opinion.
Kate Bunting
On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 9:50 PM, Lavolta Press wrote:
> Oh sure, I just don't understand why
re at least two
examples of evening gowns in this style as well as some with narrow
shoulder straps which seemed jarringly modern to me.
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Hi, Susan,
I take it you mean the agricultural worker's smock? (Smock was also used as
a synonym for a woman's shift or chemise.) I've never heard of the outer
garment being worn by women.
Kate Bunting
On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 5:10 AM, Susan wrote:
> Hi all,
> I'm stil
I'm still here too. I don't do much sewing but am still involved in
historical reenactment.
Kate Bunting
On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Catherine Olanich Raymond <
ca...@thyrsus.com> wrote:
> On 12/17/2015 09:38 AM, annbw...@aol.com wrote:
>
>> I have been gettin
I've been on this list for years; it used to be really busy. I assume the
drop in numbers is because of the growth of social media. So far I've
resisted joining Facebook.
Kate Bunting
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On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 6:39 AM, Patricia Dunham
wrot
lining to their clothes. A man's
shirt counted as underclothing and a woman wore a shift/chemise with the
same function. These would go in the laundry, and the outer clothes would
merely be brushed/sponged to remove mud splashes etc.
Kate Bunting
Retired librarian & 17th century reenactor.
On
Marie Hebbie wrote:
Kate Bunting commented that you wear 17 century garb – can you
achieve the
same shape today as our shuttlecock girl?
Dear Marie,
No, I don't think I could achieve that shape. I've only once worn a pair of
18th century stays, many years ago. The 17th century costu
headed League" has mud on the knees of his trousers; he hasn't
changed them or put on overalls.
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also exaggerate the
effect a little to suit contemporary taste, in the same way that modern
fashion illustrators draw women with very long legs.
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the "conspicuous consumption" theory.
BTW, the spelling is KNECHT (related to the English word "knight" which
originally meant a manservant, then a military follower).
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"Seventeenth-Century Women's Dress Patterns" ed. North & Tiramani shows a
chemise with all cut edges hemmed before the pieces are sewn together.
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ot; seems to mean a dart, if I interpret my dictionary correctly.
"Batissez-la" - literally "build it" - i.e. stitch it?
"Du sens oppose a la premiere" = "in the opposite direction to the first".
Surely you are meant to bring points E and E' together?
Hope t
H-cost archives and can't find
the thread giving the swimsuit explanation, but Wikipedia agrees with it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweater_vest
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x27;s
swimsuits. I don't think we would ever call the lightweight garment a tank
over here.
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me back into
fashion in the mid-19th century.
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www.darcyclothing.com/shop/elasticated-snake-belts-br750.html for a
modern version). I remember them from my childhood, I also remember my
father (b. 1907) saying that he wore one as a boy. So maybe these evolved
from the "scarf" mentioned in 19
ts of later
periods extend below the waist, increasing the problem. Having once worn an
18th century corset, I've often wondered how the lady singers of Handel's
time managed. Of course, as Maggie says, they were used to it.
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came in in the '20s,
wouldn't women have put their hair up?
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-that's the point!
My hair is so thick and heavy that hairspray wouldn't have much effect, but
I cover my fringe (bangs) with a forehead cloth worn under my coif.
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ostume, but my impression is that they have
fallen into the same trap as the designers for "The Tudors" - the women
show too much hair and not enough linen. Only a few older women wear
headdresses. I assume this is supposed to make the leading ladies more
attractive to modern eyes.
Ka
Early 17th century
pikemen wore these suspended from the front of the breastplate.
Kate Bunting
Librarian & 17th century reenactor
Derby, UK
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 22:55:45 +
From: "Wilson, Annette"
To: "h-cost...@indra.com"
Subject: [h-cost] Mary Rose jerkin patterns
I saw this on TV and very much enjoyed it. Would have liked to see a bit more
of the musicians, but as it was they managed to include a lot of interesting
stuff.
Kate Bunting
Librarian & 17th century reenactor
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;).
Now that (a) most clothes are easily washable, and (b) adults are wearing
casual styles more of the time, I don't think there's an obvious difference
between adult and children's styles.
Kate Bunting
Librarian &
hey had an extra four inches in the width (rather than the length).
Don't know how correct that is. I think we were looking at an old photo of my
dad in them. He was never a golfer, so the fashion must have been taken up for
general wear.
Kate Bunting
Librarian & 17th century
this is true of stinging nettle fibre,
which I once had a try at hand-spinning.
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a remarkably wide neckband the doublet has. Of course the fashionable look
was to have the collar close up to the throat, but you never see the neckband
uncovered in pictures to realise quite how high it was.
Kate Bunting
Librarian &
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to delete the unwanted bits before sending? If you don't, it makes the digests
very long and the new messages difficult to find among all the repetition.
Many thanks,
Kate Bunting
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Hello, Sybella,
The list is still active, but not as busy as it used to be. Teddy left a few
years ago because his employer objected to his using his work email to
subscribe, and a lot of the other old names seem to have disappeared. Glad to
see you back!
Kate Bunting
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lly all my hair.
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ries. Hardwick Hall is in
Derbyshire, close to the M1 motorway, if Ginni's friend can travel that far.
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How about this? http://www.traceyourdutchroots.com/art/zigeunermeisje.html
...which is from the right century!
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tell me why the saque-back dress
is caught up like that? I thought that style was always worn with the pleats
hanging straight down to the floor. This is where we need Bjarne!
I love the blue 1908 dress.
Kate Bunting
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I emailed Sainsburys and they said
there was no longer a demand. Luckily I found that there is a Chinese grocer's
in Derby where I can get it. The supermarkets now sell "cook-in sauces" rather
than the basic ingredients.
Kate Bunting
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Actually it's Hounslow (without the "d"). Not local to me, but it's a district
of Greater London.
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I don't know about the USA, but when I was a child in the '50s British
children's clothes were sized by age. Being of slight build, I wore sizes that
were supposed to fit someone younger than I was!
For Parisian apaches, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_(gang)
Kate Bu
ile production.
About 40 years ago I had a summer job at a local factory which made synthetic
yarns and wove or knitted them into fabric. There was an old man who operated a
machine which cut the punched cards for making patterned fabric on Jacquard
looms. Seeing the cards in the photos reminded
. Was there some ettiquette behind glove-wearing too?
As you say in your 3rd paragraph, I think before the mid-20th century everyone
routinely wore a hat out of doors, even if they only had a very shabby one.
We used to sew elastic to our school panama hats. Our winter hats were knitted
r, in which
the male figure had apparently been copied from a magazine photo of a reenactor
and didn't even have the right hair colour.
Kate Bunting
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It's my understanding that the flower was named after the fabric treatment
(because of its petals' jagged edges), and the colour after the flower.
Kate Bunting
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"VCR" means "video cassette recorder". Perhaps the writer had seen some
historic garments described on a video?
I thought that women began to wear drawers in the Regency period (in its
broadest sense), when bulky petticoats ceased to be worn for 20 years or so. Am
I
list).
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...and, of course, before the 20th century if you were having an illicit affair
and hadn't much time, you made love with most of your clothes on!
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The person mentioned in the article who wondered about Georgian underwear -
hasn't she heard of shifts?
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I saw a news report on the forthcoming sale on BBC breakfast news before I read
the first discussion of it here (but I only get the list in digest form on my
work computer). I think they just said that her plan to set up a museum had
fallen through.
Kate Bunting
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It's lovely, but someone has some crossed wires somewhere. It's the garment
itself that dates from the time of Pitt the Younger, not the period when the
last wearer is said to have been Speaker!
Kate Bunting
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n the seventeenth century context as the loose, often
fur-trimmed women's garments often seen in Dutch genre paintings, but I don't
know if that's a period term. The heavily embroidered ones from earlier in the
century are also described as jackets in the modern context.
My two penn
I can't remember exactly when I joined the list, but I do remember Penny
starting up her website. Most of it is way after my main period of interest,
but congratulations and thanks for the free access!
Kate Bunting
Librarian & 17th century
We had family friends in Norway (my father did military service there in the
aftermath of WW2). I've heard it said that in later life Queen Maud used the
public passenger ships to visit England and would sit in the lounge knitting.
Kate Bunting
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Mary Piero Carey wrote:
>On 12/4/2010 9:39 AM, Kate Bunting wrote:
>Political correctness has made it impossible to buy old fur coats in >charity
>shops...
>Huh?
>Kate, where are you? The 2nd hand stores around here still sell fur
>>sometimes& the yard sales&
mplate but haven't had time to do anything more yet.
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when you try to google it).
At the risk of stating the obvious, have you tried using Advanced Search and
asking it to exclude spaghetti recipes?
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sewing project will be working out how to trim my new
17th century jacket with it.
Kate Bunting
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2010 18:12:31 -0500
From: "Land of Oz"
To: "Historical Costume"
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need help identifying f
ginal
stories. Personally I liked the first and third best.
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"Costume" doesn't have the same ambiguity for British people, as we would call
the sort of thing Americans wear at Hallowe'en "fancy dress" (though my late
father, born in 1907, used to call a woman's suit a costume).
In my re-enactment society we, too, ca
cently heard a talk by Stuart Peachey, the British expert on the 17th
century, and asked him a question about this. He confirmed the above statement.
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ut drawstring necks on women's shifts, which we have discussed here.
Stuart confirmed that there was no evidence for these; the gathers were sewn to
a neckband.
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a beaded edge - the beads pass OVER her arm. Looks
very awkward to modern eyes, but I suppose you didn't have to do anything
energetic in that kind of outfit!
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my face. I did
once style it like the young Queen Victoria, with plaits/braids looped round my
ears and the back hair in a bun. Not much use for the lady who wanted 1880s
styles, though.
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sn't one of them.
--
Carolyn Kayta Barrows
Actually, Dolly Varden is a character in Dickens' "Barnaby Rudge", a historical
novel set in London in 1780, so just a little after what you would call
"colonial"! The play must have been based on it.
Kate Bunting
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with
the needle ends down - but I have seen a Norwegian lady knitting in that
position. As these ladies are presumably Swedish, I guess it's a Scandinavian
technique.
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alled) in the 18th century, in various shapes
including flattened so as to project at the sides.
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a bunch of
> subsections.
> >Look in the right-hand column of that page, toward the bottom,
> long paragraph
> >dated 1428.
>
>But I'm not! By "virtual clipping" I meant a reproduction of a
>section of the page not much more than an inch wide. Clicking
>dated 1428.
But I'm not! By "virtual clipping" I meant a reproduction of a section of the
page not much more than an inch wide. Clicking on it had no effect.
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How do you get to see the story?
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milk etc. fresh.)
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Great photos! Why is the girl in her underwear wearing black lipstick, though?
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Marjorie Wilser wrote :
What color *IS* unburnt umber?
My childhood paintbox also had "raw umber" (and raw and burnt Siena). I see raw
umber is listed on the site that Fran recommended.
Kate Bunting
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I'm making good progress (in what little spare time I have) with my 17th
century jacket. The triangular gores worked out all right in the end - thanks
to all those who sent me advice. Now I need to scour the charity shops for some
fur to trim the edge with.
Kate Bunting
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Is it me, or has the list been very quiet lately? I've not received a digest
for days...
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Many thanks to everyone who sent advice on this (inserting triangular gores).
I'll let you know how I get on.
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27;m finding it difficult to get the points of
the gussets to fit neatly. I'm only working with the lining material as yet,
and have only tacked the pieces together. Can anyone offer any advice before I
start sewing properly?
With thanks,
Kate Bunting
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Kneeling figures on tombs are another occasional source of back views.
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Laurie Taylor wrote:
Also, does anyone know if there's a connection between Katherine Strand-Evans
and Katherine Strand Holkeboer? Just curious.
According to the Library of Congress Authority File, they are the same person.
Kate Bunting
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I don't own a dummy, but at the Sealed Knot's August Bank Holiday event at York
I finally bought the woollen fabric to make the jacket I have been wanting for
ages (to wear over my bodice when it's cold).
Kate Bunting
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light
boning in the bodice.
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Melody Watts wrote:
>My mom's weddding dress was a Rettingcoat / Rettingote (sp) style dress >with
>the under dress styled exactly like theirs.
I think the word you want is Redingote, an 18th century (?) French word for a
man's coat, which was a corruption of the English &
onger dress for a family friend's wedding around 1969-70. As a (university)
student in the early 70s, I was wearing full-length skirts.
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colour!
As Elizabeth Walpole said, my first thought was that the Lady Jane Grey image
must have been one of those from the Houses of Parliament. We had a discussion
of a similar one of Mary Tudor a while back.
Kate Bunting
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Sharon Collier wrote:
>Don'
Not a London expert, but I do know that it's actually Bethnal Green.
Kate Bunting
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From: Alexandria Doyle
Subject: Re: [h-cost] London's Hidden Gems
To: Historical Costume
Message-ID:
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My advice would be to look for stuff that says it's suitable for contact lens
wearers; that should be tear-proof.
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I live).
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I think they were designed to be worn straight. When I did 18th century
re-enactment 30 years ago, we were told that soldiers' hats should be worn with
the front point an inch above the left eyebrow.
Kate Bunting
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ught the subject might provoke some discussion, though!
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supposedly to show how a lady
couldn't dress herself; however, in close-up you could clearly see the hooks in
the front that should have enabled her to do so!
Kate Bunting
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>On Feb 13, 2009, at 5:05 PM, Penny Ladnier wrote:
> Kate,
>
> This was a term used in a French fashion magazine. Although maybe
> the French too used the term during the American Revolution.
>
> Penny Ladnier
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I've learned something new from this thread; I didn't know that "lobster back"
was an American term for British soldiers in the 18th century. In "my" century
the idea of lobsters in a military context was associated with the hardness and
segmented form of their s
t must be something small, and the
"lobster" be a reference to red coats as Ruth says. All sorts of headgear were
worn during the "redcoat" era, but I guess this could refer to some kind of
forage cap from the late 19th century.
Kate Bunting
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e a go and report on my progress.
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In some sets of instructions for knitting period stockings, you are told to
"fold the heel flap in half". I'm a fairly experienced knitter, but I can't
make sense of this. Can anyone advise? I assume it means to fold the flap
edge-to-edge rather than to double it back on i
My late aunt (born 1911) once saw me struggling with a knotted thread and told
me that you should always thread the end that came off the spool. Since then
I've always threaded my needle before cutting so as not to lose it. I still get
knots, though!
Kate Bunting
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he Peninsular War in which most of the
Sharpe books and films are set!)
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>Nov 2008) Paperback:
>128 pages ISBN-10: 0333570820 ISBN-13: 978-0333570821
>Sometime back, this list discussed this new edition of Vecellio and
>it has been much anticipated.
I catalogued a copy (of Vecellio) for the library last week. It's beautifully
that the women show too much
hair and not enough linen. None of the leading ladies looks as though she is
wearing a smock under her gown.
Kate Bunting
Cataloguing & Data Quality Librarian,
University of Derby
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on Hall in Derbyshire is worth seeing as well as Hardwick
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