Luca Cerutti has a point, which may be relevant to finding the cause:
Windows also has this problem in some cases, to wit, my Acer Travelmate
4010 laptop (Windows XP, with Hitachi IC25N060ATMR04 drive) has been
getting increasingly more Load_Cycles per hour. The average over the
last 250 hours wa
I was experimenting with hdparm , and i found that there is a sleep mode
and a standby mode- which parks the read heads.So I issued the sleep
command in idle , and after a while , the temperature of the HDD went
down from 51 to 49 degrees.So I was wondering , may be that , whatever
is issuing the c
>Could it be possible that installing pre compiled packages
> affects the system in a adverse way ?
someone running gentoo posted in here earlier with the same issue.
precompiled or no, it's the same code. extreme optimizations could
possibly affect things adversely, but it would be inordinately
Well in my opinion, using the ugly fix removes this problem completely
and the load cycle count will literally be stopped. This has got only
one disadvantage, the hdd temperature is out of control (at 45 deg). In
vista & xp its well below 36. Is there any fix for this
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As far as I have seen , a good deal lot distros are affected , but I
couldn't find one query on the gentoo forums regarding the frequent
parking.Could it be possible that installing pre compiled packages
affects the system in a adverse way ?
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My hp pavillion dv6602au is also having the same problem 22800 cycles in
2 months. Can some one tell me the best solution as the ugly fix
increases the hdd temperature!!!
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I confirm this bug on my computer...
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I have to add the "99-hdd-spin-fix.sh" script with the hdparm -B 254 line to:
/etc/acpi/ac.d/
In addition to the other proposed directories:
/etc/acpi/suspend.d/
/etc/acpi/resume.d/
/etc/acpi/start.d/
The laptop's hd was "clicking" again after going from battery power to
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These links might help ,whoever working to fix the bug:-
http://wdc.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/wdc.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=1414&p_created=1138984716&p_sid=2K57oRTi&p_accessibility=0&p_redirect=&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9zb3J0X2J5PSZwX2dyaWRzb3J0PSZwX3Jvd19jbnQ9MTEzLDExMyZwX3Byb2RzPSZwX2NhdHM
I've done some tests on my new Dell Latitude D630 and after about 4.30 I
get about 425, thus I assume I suffer from this problem, right?
With the ugly fix (actually trying 'hdparm -B 254 /dev/sda') the problem
seems to get solved (no more clicks).
The hdd temperature raises to 41 C which still se
Akshay: Pardon, misread that. My mistake.
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@Akshay:
Actually, it was mentioned above -- "255" is a reserved value, I.e.,
it's not officially used. 254 is off. 253 is low enough that it won't
happen unless you have a pretty decent period of idle time (which you
won't, because various things keep accessing the disk).
-B
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This bug is very hard disk specific.My Hard disk doesn't respond to any
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Yes my computer came with an OEM install (it's an ASUS F3Sc with a preinstalled
Windows Vista Home Premium, which I deleted now, so I will not be able to test
it anymore). I cannot exclude your suggestion (namely that ASUS could have used
a special tweak).
I used smartctl both under Gutsy
Good News, everybody! (sorry, I just like saying that..)
I don't know if this is accurate for all drives, obviously. However, on
my laptop, switching from -B <254 | 255> to -B 200 decreased temperature
by five degrees, without increasing load_cycle_count *at all*. This
may be good news for fol
well if what you say is true then thats a whole different ball game.
still i find it hard to believe . make no mistake no one will be happier
then me to see a big fat headline on slashdot that windows is also
destroying people hard drive . i cant read Italian so tell me did they
check for load/unlo
Excuse me, but I think that the whole "windows shows not this problem" approach
should be entirely revised.
On my Dell Vostro 1500 with a Seagate st9160823as windows XP sp2 and ubuntu
Gutsy "pre-fix" behave EXACTLY the same way with a rather aggressive (and
noisy) power management.
Not only, but
this is my ambitious attempt at tackling this issue.
i created a blueprint at
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/handlingtooagressivepowermanagment
that summaries the usfull information found in this bug report (and became
impossible to extract because of the high noise ratio) and b
Shouldn't this be a bug in Linux Kernel , instead of acpi-support ?I
mean ,fedora doesn't touch the BIOS stuff , so like ubuntu ,it suffers
from this bug.The 64-bit version Ubuntu ,also shows this bug.
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I think this is linux kernel problem.Installing the latest Fedora didn't
do any good , the drive kept clicking all the way through the
installation , increasing by about 500 in an hour or so , after the
install -without laptop-mode- it kept increasing at about ~1 per minute.
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Some new laptops are shipping with hybrid hard drives that contain non-volatile
cache memory (e.g. Sony Vaios with Seagate Momentus drives, 256 MB nvcache).
One of the purposes of this technology is to prevent the hard disk spinning up
when doing small intermittent writes, which would reduce th
On a Thinkpad T42 with Samsung HD, the correct parameter is 254 and not
255. With 255, the load cycle increases almost every 4 or 5 seconds.
With 254, it stopped. On a Gateway (not sure of the HD), 254 and 255
works. Had to change the laptop-mode.conf BATT_HD_POWERMGMT=254,
LM_AC_HD_POWERMGMT=25
Some interesting info from my laptop. It has the same Hitachi HTS541060G9AT00
for which this bug has confirmed several times.
I am using Heron Alpha2 at present, and i never tried any of the fixes.
However, bug is not happening for me even though apm level is 128 on AC (and is
not changed then
I think Wester Digital drives are the worst affected.Mine has a power on
time of ~104 hours with a power cycle of ~370 with a Load/Unload cycle
count of 6761.That's about 65 per hour!
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Confirmed on HP Pavilion dv6500 with Western Digital WD800BEVS.As stated
above , the problem is "solved" by disabling APM , but the Hard disk
tends to heat up.It reached a temperature of ~50 Celsius after about 15
minutes of activity.I read on the WD website that ,the heads are not
parked on the di
Also want to share my researchings .
i have Toshiba laptop A100 - 912
I'd applied ugly fix thru laptop-mode by setting B param to 254 (255 doesn't
work at all) . Load_Cycle stopeed ticking but It started to grow temperature
.That's scares ... i have /dev/sda: TOSHIBA MK1234GSX: as you can see
Please read the warning at the top of this bug, namely "stop using this
bug as a support forum". By doing so, you are causing all the subscibers
to this bug to get useless noise messages. You also make it very
difficult for the developers to take action, as it hard to see what
needs to be done.
-
@jokeman:
I don't know, but overall, that's reasonable. A laptop usually spends
at most about 1/3 of its life on battery, and it's good for the disk to
stay parked while on battery if possible (it helps protect against
impacts). Keep an eye on it and make sure that it isn't incrementing
while on
Please ignore my previous post.
I'm not sure what exactly happened.
Right now I have no counts when the machine is plugged in.
When is running on batteries I have ~ 17 counts per hour.
The HD temperature is 34 C.
I do not have any explanation. I do not know what I did or what happened it
self.
Di
Before issuing these 2 commands, I was getting roughly 1-2 load cycles per
minute when the laptop sat idle:
killall -9 evolution-data-server-1.12
killall -9 evolution-exchange-storage
Now, when I'm issuing sudo smartctl -A /dev/sda after a long period of
idling, I only get an increase of 1 load c
H-u-mm, it's interesting...
(I test only my Gateway 7330gz with PC Linux)
When I check: smartctl -d ata -a /dev/hdl | grep Load_Cycle_Count
I get ~ 1 count per minute or more.
I put the same command in a chron job to run every minute, and there is no
increase any more. the HD temperature remain th
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Interesting,
More details about my machines:
Gateway 7330GZ about 18 months old, Pentium 4, 3.06 G Hz, Fujitsu PATA HD 80
GB, with over 66,000 load cycles, came with Windows XP, using PC Linux for the
last 4 months only.
Tested yesterday with PC Linux and before I apply “-B 255” was ~ 60 load
maor:
In fact, I started by monitoring the load/unload parameter using hdparm
with Gutsy as well as with Vista. Then I noticed that there was indeed a
"click" each time the counter was increased. So at least on my computer,
I can tell you when the counter goes up just by listening to the
harddrive
@jokeman:
Some newer drives are very quiet about the clicking.
I would suggest inquiring on sourceforge, in hdparm's forums. The bug
of not being able to change APM levels is different. You may even want
to file a bug (or check to see if a bug already exists) with the hdparm
package.
@General
Quick test:
Gateway 7330GZ (PC Linux, Fujitsu HD 80 GB, no clicking) with over 66,000 load
cycles ~60 load cycles per hour:
with -B 255 it completely stops the load cycles.
DELL 1400 (Ubuntu, Toshiba HD 160 GB, no clicking) 4,500 load cycles ~60 load
cycles per hour:
-B 255 or -B 244 did not c
Matthieu:
Your case seems inconsistent with itself:
On Sat, 2007-12-22 at 22:34 +, Mathieu HAVEL wrote:
> [...]they replace it by another one (a Seagate ST91208220AS) on which I can
> apply partly the bug fix :
> * with -B 255 it completely stops the parking/unparking cycle
> * with -B 254 i
Any estimate on when / if the partial fix will get pushed as an update
for gutsy? There are a lot of people out there with this who may not
even know about it, and the clock is ticking.
I could make a utility in python that would check for the issue, then
change settings if the problem is present
Matthias:
i would not relay on clicking sound to identify load unload cycles i made the
same mistake,
if windows is not changing the apm value then then my guess is that ubuntu is
simply accessing the hard drive too often
i do not have windows installed so i cant check it but try seeing if the l
Mathieu:
In fact 255 is not a legal value for APM. The ATA/ATAPI spec states clearly
that 255 is reserved. The APM parameter only accepts values up to 254, so
hdparm will never read out 255 as a value for APM. However hdparm accepts -B
255, and in such case, it will send a "disable APM" command
Well, Dell went to replace my hard drive, and they seem to be aware of the
problem since they replace it by another one (a Seagate ST91208220AS) on which
I can apply partly the bug fix :
* with -B 255 it completely stops the parking/unparking cycle
* with -B 254 it does nothing.
The my previous
@maor and Mathieu HAVEL
If you are interested in getting Dell to replace affected hard drives, you may
wish to promote this idea on Ideastorm:
http://www.ideastorm.com/article/show/75651/Replace_worn_hard_drives_of_Ubuntu_PCs
It requests that Dell replace not only hard drives that die from this
First, thanks for good comments Brian
I have a complete business support in DELL, and I called them friday to tell
them about the problem. Here is their solution :
"We're coming to replace your HD".
So, at least in the Business support, they do not consider the problem !
Pretty strange when
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dell has a mailling list for linux support, did anyone considered
asking them how they handled the problem?
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You're probably right on that. I'll edit the description when i get to
a computer. I've wanted to flesh that out anyway, re: ac vs battery
behavior, so i'll kill two stoned birds when i edit that. ..er, two
birds with one stone. 'course, someone else can edit it too, if they
like. ..But i've g
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On Dec 14, 2007 2:18 PM, Brian Visel wrote:
>[...]
> Reasonable Limits / Criteria for a fix:
> * There should be fewer than ~15 load cycles per hour, except during heavy
> usage while on battery.
> * This provides a life expectancy of over four years, which is reasonable
> for a hard disk.
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I realized the result it returned "9" was not my uptime hours. Tired
noob mistake. I am just curious if my problem should be fixed completely
by adding the 99-hdd-spindown-fix.sh to the 3 directories and altering
the laptop-mode config to CONTROL_HD_POWERMGMT=1 and also
APMD_SPINDOWN=90 in the *oth
I finally fixed on my laptop (Acer Aspire 1662, Kubuntu Gutsy 7.10 - HD
Hitachi Travelstar 60 GB) by editing the file:
/etc/hdparm.conf
with:
/dev/hda {
apm = 255
spindown_time = 255
}
No more parking at all and non problems of over-heating.
My girlfriend's laptop (Toshiba A100, Kubuntu Gutsy
My laptop was showing these symptoms. It's a HP DV6645us bought only 2
months ago on Oct 10th. I just recently installed Ubuntu and stumbled
upon this article with only 9 hours of uptime. So I feel as I have
lucked out. This is a very harmful bug though and needs to be
incorporated into the automat
Mathieu, you have less than one cycle for each hour of power on...
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I made a small mistake when I linked to
http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=3915142&postcount=553
I should have linked to
http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=3915142&postcount=552 instead
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to Bart Samwel and all others who are interested :
For some people an apm of 254 doesn't work. For example :
http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=3915142&postcount=553
Maybe an apm of 255 works for some of those people.
For others "sudo smartctl -o on /dev/sda" is needed in order to be able to
I fixed this on all of my laptop drives my adding the "/dev/sda { apm =
254}" into /etc/hdparm.conf after enabling hdparm in System >
Administration > Services.
Seems to work -- my load count hasn't increased hardly at all since.
Unfortunately, I didn't get it before my load count on one of my dri
In order to be able to make apm 254 work for some drives (particularly certain
samsung drives) people need to do :
sudo smartctl -o on /dev/sda
At least two people have confirmed this. For example see
http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=3672087&postcount=18
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to xmNeo :
The support thread for this issue is here :
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Be sure to read the first post and the "README FIRST links" :
http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=3733762&postcount=1
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I managed this problem by adding hdparm -B 254 /dev/sda to /etc/rc.local
Did anyone tried this one out,too?
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Hi Bart,
I did indeed consider that; see below. With btrace I checked that it is
hddtemp that is accessing the hd and causing it to spin up. FWIW,
smartctl has the same behavior (as you already mentioned in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acpi-
support/+bug/59695/comments/253">comment
Wouter Deconinck wrote:
> My hard disk spins up when you call hddtemp. Sorry to spoil the fun.
> Cheers!
>
> # hdparm -C /dev/sda && hddtemp /dev/sda && hdparm -C /dev/sda
>
> /dev/sda:
> drive state is: standby
> /dev/sda: TOSHIBA MK8034GSX: 41°C
>
> /dev/sda:
> drive state is: active/idle
My hard disk spins up when you call hddtemp. Sorry to spoil the fun.
Cheers!
# hdparm -C /dev/sda && hddtemp /dev/sda && hdparm -C /dev/sda
/dev/sda:
drive state is: standby
/dev/sda: TOSHIBA MK8034GSX: 41°C
/dev/sda:
drive state is: active/idle
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I think we should check to ensure apm of 128 has the effect we're
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ubuntu_demon wrote:
> Improved suggestion to prevent heat problems :
>
> For drives which support hddtemp check disk temperature regularly (each
> minute?).
> * while on battery : use apm 128
> * while on AC and disk temperature <= 58 degrees celcius : use apm 254
> * while on AC and disk temper
Improved suggestion to prevent heat problems :
For drives which support hddtemp check disk temperature regularly (each
minute?).
* while on battery : use apm 128
* while on AC and disk temperature <= 58 degrees celcius : use apm 254
* while on AC and disk temperature >= 59 degrees celcius : use
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Confirmed behaviour in fedora 8, on dell xps m1210 with both 80gb
hitachi and 120gb seagate. On resume drive aggressively spins down.
Fix:
add "99-hdd-spin-fix.sh"
to
/etc/pm/config.d
/etc/pm/sleep.d
/etc/pm/power.d
where "99-hdd-spin-fix.sh"
Contains the lines:
#!/bin/sh
hdparm -B 255 /dev/
Hi
ubuntu_demon wrote:
> * while disk temperature of 59 and 60 degrees don't change the apm.
60 seems to be a fairly common *maximum* operating temperature for
disks. Allowing it to rest at 59/60 seems like a bad idea.
Hitachi quote that (with their drives) for every degree you go above the
maxi
We could use laptop-mode to correct this bug properly ...
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Thank's! My hddtemp score is:
/dev/sda: ST9120821A: 42°C
>
So I could stay with Ugly Fix without any changes.
Is there any chance for the official fix? Bug becomes Critical and there is
still nothing better than Ugly Fix by ubuntu_demon.
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to SirLancelot :
sudo aptitude install hddtemp
hddtemp /dev/sda
You can also use sensors-applet to read it out graphically for your gnome-panel
:
$sudo aptitude install hddtemp sensors-applet
This bug report is not meant for support. Please use the support thread for the
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Hi
SirLancelot wrote:
> Is there any simple way to measure disk temperature? Something like command
There is hddtemp, and some systems (e.g. mine) expose the information
through platform-specific ACPI. I have no idea if it's guaranteed to be
a) present, b) correct across all disks though, and I p
Is there any simple way to measure disk temperature? Something like command
or something? I'm using Your Ugly Fix solution:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=3675960&postcount=26
And everything looks good but I don't know how to measure HDD temperature.
Could You tell me or put this informat
Here's a suggestion to prevent heat problems :
* while on battery : use apm 128
* while on AC and disk temperature <= 58 degrees celcius : use apm 254
* while on AC and disk temperature > 60 degrees celcius : use apm 128
* while disk temperature of 59 and 60 degrees don't change the apm. So apm
We are talking about wear and tear, not drives catching fire. It's
expected that a drive will break eventually, and load cycling is just a
(relatively new) way that drives can reach end of life.
However, the crux of this bug is that Ubuntu is, by default, causing
_excessive_ wear and tear on dri
Bart Samwel can you please notify us when you have added the "use an apm
of 128 while on battery" into Debian's acpi-support ?
I think we can increase the chance that this fix makes it into Gutsy's
acpi-support if someone makes a debdiff when Debian's acpi-support has
included the "use an apm of 1
Ah, corrected.
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Brian Visel wrote:
>>From what I gather, Ubuntu synchronizes with Debian periodically, and
> individual packages are sometimes synchronized as well. But it is not
> an immediate process. It would probably be a good idea to synch this
> change over to Ubuntu, but I'm not sure who's responsible for
>From what I gather, Ubuntu synchronizes with Debian periodically, and
individual packages are sometimes synchronized as well. But it is not
an immediate process. It would probably be a good idea to synch this
change over to Ubuntu, but I'm not sure who's responsible for/capable of
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Sorry for the inconvenience... But so why did this bug just changed to
critical and comments are so active when Debian claims it is fixed for
them since two weeks ??? AFAIK, the difference between Debian and Ubuntu
is not so huge...
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Skippy: this Debian bug is already in the bugwatch. We all know about
it.
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Please have a look at this : http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-
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This bug seems fixed for Debian as well since more than 10 days...
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Chris Jones wrote:
> Bart Samwel wrote:
>>> Whose opinion is that? I would argue that it is, indeed the operating
>>> system's place to save the user from themselves.
>> ...and especially w.r.t. hardware, I might add! The OS is supposed to be
>
> You are actually all talking about "saving" users
Bart Samwel wrote:
>> Whose opinion is that? I would argue that it is, indeed the operating
>> system's place to save the user from themselves.
> ...and especially w.r.t. hardware, I might add! The OS is supposed to be
You are actually all talking about "saving" users from their hardware
vendors
Brian Visel wrote:
>> It is not the place for the operating system to save the user from
>> themselves.
>
> Whose opinion is that? I would argue that it is, indeed the operating
> system's place to save the user from themselves.
...and especially w.r.t. hardware, I might add! The OS is supposed
Mark,
Although I agree with some points you make, I want to question some
other assumptions.
Mark Thomas wrote:
> Disabling the APM feature of a drive can never be a fix. Parking the
> drives is a feature of the disk, and the The Load_Cycle_Count is
> supposed to go up, albeit slowly, during no
Why not make the workaround available by the use of a configuration option?
The default would be, to apply the workaround. So each administrator could
manually
disable it via "dpkg-reconfigure acpi-support", if she thinks it eats up
battery power
or melts the harddrives.
This would help those us
-- Please pardon if this is a duplicate, I accidentally sent from the
wrong account and I don't know how that's handled by launchpad.
> It is not the place for the operating system to save the user from
> themselves.
Whose opinion is that? I would argue that it is, indeed the operating
system's
This bug is really critical. It has a severe impact on a large portion of users
and affects an essential hardware component.
I mark it as it should.
** Changed in: acpi-support (Ubuntu)
Importance: Wishlist => Critical
--
High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten li
I thoroughly agree with mark thomas - what is being proposed here will
override the defaults set by hardware manufacturers and OEMs. Perhaps it
is helpful for some people, but it's a blanket decision that will change
the behaviour of a lot of systems - behaviour that was chosen by the
people who kn
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