Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

[Lewis Bergman]

Yeah, but most stupid customers don't also demand you have a 9 9's network
so their granny doesn't die for $50.

On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 9:07 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Agreed.
>
>
>
> Although if I fired all my stupid customers, I might not have many left.
> Makes me think of George Carlin’s classic routine on stupid people:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rh6qqsmxNs
>
>
>
> Or for something more recent:
>
> https://xkcd.com/1386/
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
> *Sent:* Monday, June 24, 2019 8:40 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems
>
>
>
> Sounds like a really good reason to fire a customer.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 2:47 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
> The problem is people are sometimes dumb.
>
> There was actually a specific person who prompted my comment.  During that
> 4 hour outage, someone emailed and called multiple times because their
> elderly relative relied on the internet connection to reach out in the case
> of medical emergencies.
>
> I said get a landline phone; they claimed there was no option.  I checked
> Verizon's website which clearly said there IS phone service there and sent
> them the link to it.  I also suggested get a second Internet service or a
> cell phone so you have a backup.  They said there isn't any other internet
> service there and apparently the Verizon POTS doesn't really work there for
> some reason and there's no cell reception.
>
> They seemed to really want to dig their heels in and make this my problem,
> and I'm not interested.
>
> -Adam
>
> On 6/24/2019 1:12 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>
> AUP's are for that but I don't know if they provide any shield. I really
> don't see how a service with no SLA could be deemed by anyone as emergency
> communications.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 9:05 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
> Honestly I wish they would stop selling these things with an option to
> use the Internet rather than a phone line...or at least require a
> landline phone as a backup for the Internet.
>
> There was a 4 hour outage on a Saturday morning recently caused by a
> router failure.  Frankly, I'm happy with how quickly we resolved that
> given that it was just about the worst failure possible and it happened
> on a weekend.  But if someone had a problem at that time, and their
> health monitoring equipment couldn't phone the mothership to report it I
> really don't want that on my head.
>
> -Adam
>
>
> On 6/24/2019 11:46 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
> > I have some relatives that are getting elderly and still living on
> > their own.  Landline only (Frontier, so it mostly works), they don't
> > even have a cell phone.  It seems like a lot of devices now are geared
> > towards the smart home market, where they presume that you have an
> > internet connection.  Other devices are $20 or $30/month for the
> > monitoring/answering service.  There are other family members close
> > by, so it really just needs a wireless panic button that can make an
> > outbound call to them.  A cordless phone is probably more technical
> > that can be handled, and I know that it would rarely leave it's base
> > station.  So a pendent/watch is much more preferable.
> >
> > Just brainstorming, Preferably, dial a list of numbers until someone
> > answers and confirms via keypress or something.
> >
> > Does something like that exist?
> >
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

[Steve Jones]

Ha, thats how i found out pulse dialing was just counted interrupts. I had
been smoking "cigarettes" and got off the phone, just laying there tapping
the hang up button. It started ringing. Came in handy a couple of times,
just tap out a telephone number. Then some B rated movie did it. Ruined my
"secret". Though on pay telephones  it was a handy trick to know.

On Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 11:43 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> That looks like a great read.  I am gonna get it.
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Monday, June 24, 2019 9:55 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems
>
> I love XKCD.  Randall Munroe is clearly not stupid.
> Since we're already OT, I highly endorse Randall's "What if?" book:
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/What-Scientific-Hypothetical-Questions-International/dp/0544456866
>
>
> On 6/24/2019 10:07 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Agreed.
>
>
>
> Although if I fired all my stupid customers, I might not have many left.
> Makes me think of George Carlin’s classic routine on stupid people:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rh6qqsmxNs
>
>
>
> Or for something more recent:
>
> https://xkcd.com/1386/
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
> *Sent:* Monday, June 24, 2019 8:40 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems
>
>
>
> Sounds like a really good reason to fire a customer.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 2:47 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
> The problem is people are sometimes dumb.
>
> There was actually a specific person who prompted my comment.  During that
> 4 hour outage, someone emailed and called multiple times because their
> elderly relative relied on the internet connection to reach out in the case
> of medical emergencies.
>
> I said get a landline phone; they claimed there was no option.  I checked
> Verizon's website which clearly said there IS phone service there and sent
> them the link to it.  I also suggested get a second Internet service or a
> cell phone so you have a backup.  They said there isn't any other internet
> service there and apparently the Verizon POTS doesn't really work there for
> some reason and there's no cell reception.
>
> They seemed to really want to dig their heels in and make this my problem,
> and I'm not interested.
>
> -Adam
>
> On 6/24/2019 1:12 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>
> AUP's are for that but I don't know if they provide any shield. I really
> don't see how a service with no SLA could be deemed by anyone as emergency
> communications.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 9:05 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
> Honestly I wish they would stop selling these things with an option to
> use the Internet rather than a phone line...or at least require a
> landline phone as a backup for the Internet.
>
> There was a 4 hour outage on a Saturday morning recently caused by a
> router failure.  Frankly, I'm happy with how quickly we resolved that
> given that it was just about the worst failure possible and it happened
> on a weekend.  But if someone had a problem at that time, and their
> health monitoring equipment couldn't phone the mothership to report it I
> really don't want that on my head.
>
> -Adam
>
>
> On 6/24/2019 11:46 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
> > I have some relatives that are getting elderly and still living on
> > their own.  Landline only (Frontier, so it mostly works), they don't
> > even have a cell phone.  It seems like a lot of devices now are geared
> > towards the smart home market, where they presume that you have an
> > internet connection.  Other devices are $20 or $30/month for the
> > monitoring/answering service.  There are other family members close
> > by, so it really just needs a wireless panic button that can make an
> > outbound call to them.  A cordless phone is probably more technical
> > that can be handled, and I know that it would rarely leave it's base
> > station.  So a pendent/watch is much more preferable.
> >
> > Just brainstorming, Preferably, dial a list of numbers until someone
> > answers and confirms via keypress or something.
> >
> > Does something like that exist?
> >
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

[Chuck McCown]

That looks like a great read.  I am gonna get it.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 9:55 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

I love XKCD.  Randall Munroe is clearly not stupid.
Since we're already OT, I highly endorse Randall's "What if?" book:

https://www.amazon.com/What-Scientific-Hypothetical-Questions-International/dp/0544456866



On 6/24/2019 10:07 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  Agreed.

   

  Although if I fired all my stupid customers, I might not have many left.  
Makes me think of George Carlin’s classic routine on stupid people:

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rh6qqsmxNs

   

  Or for something more recent:

  https://xkcd.com/1386/

   

   

  From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
  Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 8:40 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

   

  Sounds like a really good reason to fire a customer.

   

  On Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 2:47 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

The problem is people are sometimes dumb.

There was actually a specific person who prompted my comment.  During that 
4 hour outage, someone emailed and called multiple times because their elderly 
relative relied on the internet connection to reach out in the case of medical 
emergencies.

I said get a landline phone; they claimed there was no option.  I checked 
Verizon's website which clearly said there IS phone service there and sent them 
the link to it.  I also suggested get a second Internet service or a cell phone 
so you have a backup.  They said there isn't any other internet service there 
and apparently the Verizon POTS doesn't really work there for some reason and 
there's no cell reception.  

They seemed to really want to dig their heels in and make this my problem, 
and I'm not interested.

-Adam



On 6/24/2019 1:12 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

  AUP's are for that but I don't know if they provide any shield. I really 
don't see how a service with no SLA could be deemed by anyone as emergency 
communications.

   

  On Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 9:05 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

Honestly I wish they would stop selling these things with an option to 
use the Internet rather than a phone line...or at least require a 
landline phone as a backup for the Internet.

There was a 4 hour outage on a Saturday morning recently caused by a 
router failure.  Frankly, I'm happy with how quickly we resolved that 
given that it was just about the worst failure possible and it happened 
on a weekend.  But if someone had a problem at that time, and their 
health monitoring equipment couldn't phone the mothership to report it 
I 
really don't want that on my head.

-Adam


On 6/24/2019 11:46 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
> I have some relatives that are getting elderly and still living on 
> their own.  Landline only (Frontier, so it mostly works), they don't 
> even have a cell phone.  It seems like a lot of devices now are 
geared 
> towards the smart home market, where they presume that you have an 
> internet connection.  Other devices are $20 or $30/month for the 
> monitoring/answering service.  There are other family members close 
> by, so it really just needs a wireless panic button that can make an 
> outbound call to them.  A cordless phone is probably more technical 
> that can be handled, and I know that it would rarely leave it's base 
> station.  So a pendent/watch is much more preferable.
>
> Just brainstorming, Preferably, dial a list of numbers until someone 
> answers and confirms via keypress or something.
>
> Does something like that exist?
>


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Re: [AFMUG] Gonna need some help please.

[Chuck McCown]

I am the customer with the Asterisk.  I am avoiding NAT by having it 
directly connected via static.  But that is going away.  It will have to 
live behind the RB and I don't know how to make that work.


-Original Message- 
From: Ken Hohhof

Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 7:25 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gonna need some help please.

I'm confused.  When you talk about static IPs and NAT, are you talking about
your customer's ATA, or the SIP trunk side of your Asterisk box?  Or the
customer side of your Asterisk box?

Surely your Asterisk box has a static IP and no NAT.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 7:33 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gonna need some help please.

I don't recall the symptoms.  We fixed it with the static and having it
ahead of everything.

-Original Message-
From: Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 6:10 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gonna need some help please.

What are the symptoms?

Are you getting call setup requests but no audio, etc?

setting nat=yes and canreinvite=no fixes a lot of these, at the expense of
having to have all of the call audio going through the asterisk box.  Be
aware that this suggestion might be dated since I haven't dealt with an
astersisk setup for quite some time (mine just keeps chugging along wiht
little maintenance).


On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 5:34 PM  wrote:


I have an asterisk system speaking to my SIP provider.  One end or the
other (or both) do not tolerate NAT.  We for years we have had a
Static for the SIP trunks.  And a mix of other statics and DHCP
circuits for everything else we do.  So coming from the ONT we first
hit a switch and then off to Asterisk, other servers and a RB router.

I am now switching to a /29 for everything.  So the ONT ethernet will
first hit a RB2011 iL-IN (assuming it is capable of doing what we
need) and then go to our various other servers as well as the Asterisk

system.


I am not a router guy.  I took exactly one Cisco router class probably
back in 2003.  I may have upgraded one Cisco router once back when you
could buy one license but apply it to multiple devices.  Not sure if
they plugged that hole, I imagine they did.

This sounds like it should be trivial.  I hope it is trivial.  But I
would rather have the borg take a look at it before I start to try to
download the RB manual and go into my autodidactical mode.  Too old for

this crap.





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WAN IP: 76.76.252.68
Subnet: 255.255.255.0
Gateway: 76.76.252.1

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subnet mask: 255.255.255.248
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Re: [AFMUG] Gonna need some help please.

[Chuck McCown]

Thanks, this is the kind of stuff I am ignorant about.  

-Original Message- 
From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 7:46 PM 
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gonna need some help please. 

OhAfter re-reading it looks like you're avoiding NAT by putting 
servers into a public /29.  I completely misread what you were looking for.


So yeah, by default the RB2011 will have the first Ethernet port set up 
as the WAN with DHCP, and everything exiting via that port gets 
masqueradedso you'll want to change that masquerade rule so it only 
matches the private IP's.


Add the static IP to ether1.
Add the static default route by adding a route to destination 0.0.0.0/0 
with gateway of 76.76.252.1.

Add static DNS servers under IP->DNS
Remove the DHCP-client on ether1.
Add the /29 to interface bridge-local
Under IP->Firewall->NAT, edit the masquerade rule by removing the "out 
interface" criteria.  Add a new criteria for source IP 192.168.88.0/24.


Now your DHCP clients get private IP's and NAT, but your servers with 
static IP's don't.  I think that's the bare minimum, and it ought to be 
dead simple in Winbox.




On 6/24/2019 8:34 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Thanks
Still need a config for the RB.

-Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 6:29 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gonna need some help please.

It can work behind NATI'm doing it.
As I recall, I forwarded ports 5060-5070 and 10,000-15,000.
In Asterisk config I had to
* limit Asterisk to using those ports
* specify the real WAN IP so that gets included in SIP messages
* specify the LAN IP's so Asterisk knows when to use it's NAT hacks
* probably canreinvite=no and nat=yes on SIP peers

I didn't do anything on the router other than the port forwarding. You
probably don't need 5,000 RTP portsbut you're probably also not
using them for anything else so it's not going to hurt.  This isn't
going to be fiddling with your router config much, it's going to be
mostly fiddling with Asterisk.

Oh, I guess I did add some rules in the Mikrotik to automatically
blacklist IP's that generate too many Auth failure messages on SIP
ports.  That keeps the Asterisk logs uncluttered, but isn't strictly
necessary.

-Adam


On 6/24/2019 8:10 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

What are the symptoms?

Are you getting call setup requests but no audio, etc?

setting nat=yes and canreinvite=no fixes a lot of these, at the
expense of having to have all of the call audio going through the
asterisk box.  Be aware that this suggestion might be dated since I
haven't dealt with an astersisk setup for quite some time (mine just
keeps chugging along wiht little maintenance).


On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 5:34 PM  wrote:
I have an asterisk system speaking to my SIP provider.  One end or 
the other (or both) do not tolerate NAT.  We for years we have had a 
Static for the SIP trunks. And a mix of other statics and DHCP 
circuits for everything else we do.  So coming from the ONT we first 
hit a switch and then off to Asterisk, other servers and a RB router.


I am now switching to a /29 for everything.  So the ONT ethernet 
will first hit a RB2011 iL-IN (assuming it is capable of doing what 
we need) and then go to our various other servers as well as the 
Asterisk system.


I am not a router guy.  I took exactly one Cisco router class 
probably back in 2003.  I may have upgraded one Cisco router once 
back when you could buy one license but apply it to multiple 
devices.  Not sure if they plugged that hole, I imagine they did.


This sounds like it should be trivial.  I hope it is trivial. But I 
would rather have the borg take a look at it before I start to try 
to download the RB manual and go into my autodidactical mode.  Too 
old for this crap.





76.76.254.48/29 routed to 76.76.252.68

WAN IP: 76.76.252.68
Subnet: 255.255.255.0
Gateway: 76.76.252.1

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

[Adam Moffett]

I love XKCD.  Randall Munroe is clearly not stupid.
Since we're already OT, I highly endorse Randall's "What if?" book:

https://www.amazon.com/What-Scientific-Hypothetical-Questions-International/dp/0544456866


On 6/24/2019 10:07 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Agreed.

Although if I fired all my stupid customers, I might not have many 
left.  Makes me think of George Carlin’s classic routine on stupid people:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rh6qqsmxNs

Or for something more recent:

https://xkcd.com/1386/

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
*Sent:* Monday, June 24, 2019 8:40 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

Sounds like a really good reason to fire a customer.

On Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 2:47 PM Adam Moffett > wrote:


The problem is people are sometimes dumb.

There was actually a specific person who prompted my comment. 
During that 4 hour outage, someone emailed and called multiple
times because their elderly relative relied on the internet
connection to reach out in the case of medical emergencies.

I said get a landline phone; they claimed there was no option.  I
checked Verizon's website which clearly said there IS phone
service there and sent them the link to it.  I also suggested get
a second Internet service or a cell phone so you have a backup. 
They said there isn't any other internet service there and
apparently the Verizon POTS doesn't really work there for some
reason and there's no cell reception.

They seemed to really want to dig their heels in and make this my
problem, and I'm not interested.

-Adam

On 6/24/2019 1:12 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

AUP's are for that but I don't know if they provide any
shield. I really don't see how a service with no SLA could be
deemed by anyone as emergency communications.

On Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 9:05 AM Adam Moffett
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Honestly I wish they would stop selling these things with
an option to
use the Internet rather than a phone line...or at least
require a
landline phone as a backup for the Internet.

There was a 4 hour outage on a Saturday morning recently
caused by a
router failure.  Frankly, I'm happy with how quickly we
resolved that
given that it was just about the worst failure possible
and it happened
on a weekend.  But if someone had a problem at that time,
and their
health monitoring equipment couldn't phone the mothership
to report it I
really don't want that on my head.

-Adam


On 6/24/2019 11:46 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
> I have some relatives that are getting elderly and still
living on
> their own.  Landline only (Frontier, so it mostly
works), they don't
> even have a cell phone.  It seems like a lot of devices
now are geared
> towards the smart home market, where they presume that
you have an
> internet connection.  Other devices are $20 or $30/month
for the
> monitoring/answering service.  There are other family
members close
> by, so it really just needs a wireless panic button that
can make an
> outbound call to them.  A cordless phone is probably
more technical
> that can be handled, and I know that it would rarely
leave it's base
> station.  So a pendent/watch is much more preferable.
>
> Just brainstorming, Preferably, dial a list of numbers
until someone
> answers and confirms via keypress or something.
>
> Does something like that exist?
>


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[AFMUG] Message from Daniel White Regarding the 2019 WISPA Board Election

[Daniel White]

To the WISPA Members: Principle, Vendor, and Associate.

With today the last day of campaigning before the 2019 WISPA Board of 
Directors elections, I wanted to put together a quick website with some 
of the policy positions that are important to me.  I encourage every 
member to review the qualifications of every candidate running, listen 
to the recording of the debate, and last, read the applications we all 
submitted.


This is an exciting time for WISPA - and I ask to serve each of you by 
moving our collective interests forward.


Please visit http://dwhite4wispa.com

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

[Ken Hohhof]

Agreed.

 

Although if I fired all my stupid customers, I might not have many left.  Makes 
me think of George Carlin’s classic routine on stupid people:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rh6qqsmxNs

 

Or for something more recent:

https://xkcd.com/1386/

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 8:40 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

 

Sounds like a really good reason to fire a customer.

 

On Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 2:47 PM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

The problem is people are sometimes dumb.

There was actually a specific person who prompted my comment.  During that 4 
hour outage, someone emailed and called multiple times because their elderly 
relative relied on the internet connection to reach out in the case of medical 
emergencies.

I said get a landline phone; they claimed there was no option.  I checked 
Verizon's website which clearly said there IS phone service there and sent them 
the link to it.  I also suggested get a second Internet service or a cell phone 
so you have a backup.  They said there isn't any other internet service there 
and apparently the Verizon POTS doesn't really work there for some reason and 
there's no cell reception.  

They seemed to really want to dig their heels in and make this my problem, and 
I'm not interested.

-Adam



On 6/24/2019 1:12 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

AUP's are for that but I don't know if they provide any shield. I really don't 
see how a service with no SLA could be deemed by anyone as emergency 
communications.

 

On Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 9:05 AM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Honestly I wish they would stop selling these things with an option to 
use the Internet rather than a phone line...or at least require a 
landline phone as a backup for the Internet.

There was a 4 hour outage on a Saturday morning recently caused by a 
router failure.  Frankly, I'm happy with how quickly we resolved that 
given that it was just about the worst failure possible and it happened 
on a weekend.  But if someone had a problem at that time, and their 
health monitoring equipment couldn't phone the mothership to report it I 
really don't want that on my head.

-Adam


On 6/24/2019 11:46 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
> I have some relatives that are getting elderly and still living on 
> their own.  Landline only (Frontier, so it mostly works), they don't 
> even have a cell phone.  It seems like a lot of devices now are geared 
> towards the smart home market, where they presume that you have an 
> internet connection.  Other devices are $20 or $30/month for the 
> monitoring/answering service.  There are other family members close 
> by, so it really just needs a wireless panic button that can make an 
> outbound call to them.  A cordless phone is probably more technical 
> that can be handled, and I know that it would rarely leave it's base 
> station.  So a pendent/watch is much more preferable.
>
> Just brainstorming, Preferably, dial a list of numbers until someone 
> answers and confirms via keypress or something.
>
> Does something like that exist?
>


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Re: [AFMUG] Gonna need some help please.

[Adam Moffett]

OhAfter re-reading it looks like you're avoiding NAT by putting 
servers into a public /29.  I completely misread what you were looking for.


So yeah, by default the RB2011 will have the first Ethernet port set up 
as the WAN with DHCP, and everything exiting via that port gets 
masqueradedso you'll want to change that masquerade rule so it only 
matches the private IP's.


Add the static IP to ether1.
Add the static default route by adding a route to destination 0.0.0.0/0 
with gateway of 76.76.252.1.

Add static DNS servers under IP->DNS
Remove the DHCP-client on ether1.
Add the /29 to interface bridge-local
Under IP->Firewall->NAT, edit the masquerade rule by removing the "out 
interface" criteria.  Add a new criteria for source IP 192.168.88.0/24.


Now your DHCP clients get private IP's and NAT, but your servers with 
static IP's don't.  I think that's the bare minimum, and it ought to be 
dead simple in Winbox.




On 6/24/2019 8:34 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Thanks
Still need a config for the RB.

-Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 6:29 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gonna need some help please.

It can work behind NATI'm doing it.
As I recall, I forwarded ports 5060-5070 and 10,000-15,000.
In Asterisk config I had to
* limit Asterisk to using those ports
* specify the real WAN IP so that gets included in SIP messages
* specify the LAN IP's so Asterisk knows when to use it's NAT hacks
* probably canreinvite=no and nat=yes on SIP peers

I didn't do anything on the router other than the port forwarding. You
probably don't need 5,000 RTP portsbut you're probably also not
using them for anything else so it's not going to hurt.  This isn't
going to be fiddling with your router config much, it's going to be
mostly fiddling with Asterisk.

Oh, I guess I did add some rules in the Mikrotik to automatically
blacklist IP's that generate too many Auth failure messages on SIP
ports.  That keeps the Asterisk logs uncluttered, but isn't strictly
necessary.

-Adam


On 6/24/2019 8:10 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

What are the symptoms?

Are you getting call setup requests but no audio, etc?

setting nat=yes and canreinvite=no fixes a lot of these, at the
expense of having to have all of the call audio going through the
asterisk box.  Be aware that this suggestion might be dated since I
haven't dealt with an astersisk setup for quite some time (mine just
keeps chugging along wiht little maintenance).


On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 5:34 PM  wrote:
I have an asterisk system speaking to my SIP provider.  One end or 
the other (or both) do not tolerate NAT.  We for years we have had a 
Static for the SIP trunks. And a mix of other statics and DHCP 
circuits for everything else we do.  So coming from the ONT we first 
hit a switch and then off to Asterisk, other servers and a RB router.


I am now switching to a /29 for everything.  So the ONT ethernet 
will first hit a RB2011 iL-IN (assuming it is capable of doing what 
we need) and then go to our various other servers as well as the 
Asterisk system.


I am not a router guy.  I took exactly one Cisco router class 
probably back in 2003.  I may have upgraded one Cisco router once 
back when you could buy one license but apply it to multiple 
devices.  Not sure if they plugged that hole, I imagine they did.


This sounds like it should be trivial.  I hope it is trivial. But I 
would rather have the borg take a look at it before I start to try 
to download the RB manual and go into my autodidactical mode.  Too 
old for this crap.





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WAN IP: 76.76.252.68
Subnet: 255.255.255.0
Gateway: 76.76.252.1

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

[Lewis Bergman]

Sounds like a really good reason to fire a customer.

On Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 2:47 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> The problem is people are sometimes dumb.
>
> There was actually a specific person who prompted my comment.  During that
> 4 hour outage, someone emailed and called multiple times because their
> elderly relative relied on the internet connection to reach out in the case
> of medical emergencies.
>
> I said get a landline phone; they claimed there was no option.  I checked
> Verizon's website which clearly said there IS phone service there and sent
> them the link to it.  I also suggested get a second Internet service or a
> cell phone so you have a backup.  They said there isn't any other internet
> service there and apparently the Verizon POTS doesn't really work there for
> some reason and there's no cell reception.
>
> They seemed to really want to dig their heels in and make this my problem,
> and I'm not interested.
>
> -Adam
>
>
> On 6/24/2019 1:12 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>
> AUP's are for that but I don't know if they provide any shield. I really
> don't see how a service with no SLA could be deemed by anyone as emergency
> communications.
>
> On Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 9:05 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> Honestly I wish they would stop selling these things with an option to
>> use the Internet rather than a phone line...or at least require a
>> landline phone as a backup for the Internet.
>>
>> There was a 4 hour outage on a Saturday morning recently caused by a
>> router failure.  Frankly, I'm happy with how quickly we resolved that
>> given that it was just about the worst failure possible and it happened
>> on a weekend.  But if someone had a problem at that time, and their
>> health monitoring equipment couldn't phone the mothership to report it I
>> really don't want that on my head.
>>
>> -Adam
>>
>>
>> On 6/24/2019 11:46 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
>> > I have some relatives that are getting elderly and still living on
>> > their own.  Landline only (Frontier, so it mostly works), they don't
>> > even have a cell phone.  It seems like a lot of devices now are geared
>> > towards the smart home market, where they presume that you have an
>> > internet connection.  Other devices are $20 or $30/month for the
>> > monitoring/answering service.  There are other family members close
>> > by, so it really just needs a wireless panic button that can make an
>> > outbound call to them.  A cordless phone is probably more technical
>> > that can be handled, and I know that it would rarely leave it's base
>> > station.  So a pendent/watch is much more preferable.
>> >
>> > Just brainstorming, Preferably, dial a list of numbers until someone
>> > answers and confirms via keypress or something.
>> >
>> > Does something like that exist?
>> >
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Gonna need some help please.

[Ken Hohhof]

I'm confused.  When you talk about static IPs and NAT, are you talking about
your customer's ATA, or the SIP trunk side of your Asterisk box?  Or the
customer side of your Asterisk box?

Surely your Asterisk box has a static IP and no NAT.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 7:33 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gonna need some help please.

I don't recall the symptoms.  We fixed it with the static and having it
ahead of everything.

-Original Message-
From: Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 6:10 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gonna need some help please.

What are the symptoms?

Are you getting call setup requests but no audio, etc?

setting nat=yes and canreinvite=no fixes a lot of these, at the expense of
having to have all of the call audio going through the asterisk box.  Be
aware that this suggestion might be dated since I haven't dealt with an
astersisk setup for quite some time (mine just keeps chugging along wiht
little maintenance).


On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 5:34 PM  wrote:
>
> I have an asterisk system speaking to my SIP provider.  One end or the 
> other (or both) do not tolerate NAT.  We for years we have had a 
> Static for the SIP trunks.  And a mix of other statics and DHCP 
> circuits for everything else we do.  So coming from the ONT we first 
> hit a switch and then off to Asterisk, other servers and a RB router.
>
> I am now switching to a /29 for everything.  So the ONT ethernet will 
> first hit a RB2011 iL-IN (assuming it is capable of doing what we 
> need) and then go to our various other servers as well as the Asterisk
system.
>
> I am not a router guy.  I took exactly one Cisco router class probably 
> back in 2003.  I may have upgraded one Cisco router once back when you 
> could buy one license but apply it to multiple devices.  Not sure if 
> they plugged that hole, I imagine they did.
>
> This sounds like it should be trivial.  I hope it is trivial.  But I 
> would rather have the borg take a look at it before I start to try to 
> download the RB manual and go into my autodidactical mode.  Too old for
this crap.
>
>
>
>
> 76.76.254.48/29 routed to 76.76.252.68
>
> WAN IP: 76.76.252.68
> Subnet: 255.255.255.0
> Gateway: 76.76.252.1
>
> Routed subnet info:
> 76.76.254.48/29
> subnet mask: 255.255.255.248
> available IP's: 76.76.254.49-54
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Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber24 repair

[Tim Withrow via AF]

Thanks for the tip
On Monday, June 24, 2019 Nate Burke  wrote:
 There's an official repair channel through UBNT I Believe.   In 2017 I sent in 
2 broken AF24 radios, and they let me buy refurbed radios for $400 each.    
Everything was coordinated through Support and then ordered via the UBNT Store. 
 Unless thing have changed since then.
 
https://store.ui.com/search?mockup=airfiber+repair=airfiber+repair*
 
 
 
 
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Anyone doing this?
 
  
 
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Re: [AFMUG] Gonna need some help please.

[Chuck McCown]

Thanks
Still need a config for the RB.

-Original Message- 
From: Adam Moffett

Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 6:29 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gonna need some help please.

It can work behind NATI'm doing it.
As I recall, I forwarded ports 5060-5070 and 10,000-15,000.
In Asterisk config I had to
* limit Asterisk to using those ports
* specify the real WAN IP so that gets included in SIP messages
* specify the LAN IP's so Asterisk knows when to use it's NAT hacks
* probably canreinvite=no and nat=yes on SIP peers

I didn't do anything on the router other than the port forwarding. You
probably don't need 5,000 RTP portsbut you're probably also not
using them for anything else so it's not going to hurt.  This isn't
going to be fiddling with your router config much, it's going to be
mostly fiddling with Asterisk.

Oh, I guess I did add some rules in the Mikrotik to automatically
blacklist IP's that generate too many Auth failure messages on SIP
ports.  That keeps the Asterisk logs uncluttered, but isn't strictly
necessary.

-Adam


On 6/24/2019 8:10 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

What are the symptoms?

Are you getting call setup requests but no audio, etc?

setting nat=yes and canreinvite=no fixes a lot of these, at the
expense of having to have all of the call audio going through the
asterisk box.  Be aware that this suggestion might be dated since I
haven't dealt with an astersisk setup for quite some time (mine just
keeps chugging along wiht little maintenance).


On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 5:34 PM  wrote:
I have an asterisk system speaking to my SIP provider.  One end or the 
other (or both) do not tolerate NAT.  We for years we have had a Static 
for the SIP trunks.  And a mix of other statics and DHCP circuits for 
everything else we do.  So coming from the ONT we first hit a switch and 
then off to Asterisk, other servers and a RB router.


I am now switching to a /29 for everything.  So the ONT ethernet will 
first hit a RB2011 iL-IN (assuming it is capable of doing what we need) 
and then go to our various other servers as well as the Asterisk system.


I am not a router guy.  I took exactly one Cisco router class probably 
back in 2003.  I may have upgraded one Cisco router once back when you 
could buy one license but apply it to multiple devices.  Not sure if they 
plugged that hole, I imagine they did.


This sounds like it should be trivial.  I hope it is trivial.  But I 
would rather have the borg take a look at it before I start to try to 
download the RB manual and go into my autodidactical mode.  Too old for 
this crap.





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WAN IP: 76.76.252.68
Subnet: 255.255.255.0
Gateway: 76.76.252.1

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Re: [AFMUG] Gonna need some help please.

[Chuck McCown]

I don't recall the symptoms.  We fixed it with the static and having it 
ahead of everything.


-Original Message- 
From: Forrest Christian (List Account)

Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 6:10 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gonna need some help please.

What are the symptoms?

Are you getting call setup requests but no audio, etc?

setting nat=yes and canreinvite=no fixes a lot of these, at the
expense of having to have all of the call audio going through the
asterisk box.  Be aware that this suggestion might be dated since I
haven't dealt with an astersisk setup for quite some time (mine just
keeps chugging along wiht little maintenance).


On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 5:34 PM  wrote:


I have an asterisk system speaking to my SIP provider.  One end or the 
other (or both) do not tolerate NAT.  We for years we have had a Static 
for the SIP trunks.  And a mix of other statics and DHCP circuits for 
everything else we do.  So coming from the ONT we first hit a switch and 
then off to Asterisk, other servers and a RB router.


I am now switching to a /29 for everything.  So the ONT ethernet will 
first hit a RB2011 iL-IN (assuming it is capable of doing what we need) 
and then go to our various other servers as well as the Asterisk system.


I am not a router guy.  I took exactly one Cisco router class probably 
back in 2003.  I may have upgraded one Cisco router once back when you 
could buy one license but apply it to multiple devices.  Not sure if they 
plugged that hole, I imagine they did.


This sounds like it should be trivial.  I hope it is trivial.  But I would 
rather have the borg take a look at it before I start to try to download 
the RB manual and go into my autodidactical mode.  Too old for this crap.





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WAN IP: 76.76.252.68
Subnet: 255.255.255.0
Gateway: 76.76.252.1

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Re: [AFMUG] Gonna need some help please.

[Adam Moffett]

It can work behind NATI'm doing it.
As I recall, I forwarded ports 5060-5070 and 10,000-15,000.
In Asterisk config I had to
* limit Asterisk to using those ports
* specify the real WAN IP so that gets included in SIP messages
* specify the LAN IP's so Asterisk knows when to use it's NAT hacks
* probably canreinvite=no and nat=yes on SIP peers

I didn't do anything on the router other than the port forwarding. You 
probably don't need 5,000 RTP portsbut you're probably also not 
using them for anything else so it's not going to hurt.  This isn't 
going to be fiddling with your router config much, it's going to be 
mostly fiddling with Asterisk.


Oh, I guess I did add some rules in the Mikrotik to automatically 
blacklist IP's that generate too many Auth failure messages on SIP 
ports.  That keeps the Asterisk logs uncluttered, but isn't strictly 
necessary.


-Adam


On 6/24/2019 8:10 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

What are the symptoms?

Are you getting call setup requests but no audio, etc?

setting nat=yes and canreinvite=no fixes a lot of these, at the
expense of having to have all of the call audio going through the
asterisk box.  Be aware that this suggestion might be dated since I
haven't dealt with an astersisk setup for quite some time (mine just
keeps chugging along wiht little maintenance).


On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 5:34 PM  wrote:

I have an asterisk system speaking to my SIP provider.  One end or the other 
(or both) do not tolerate NAT.  We for years we have had a Static for the SIP 
trunks.  And a mix of other statics and DHCP circuits for everything else we 
do.  So coming from the ONT we first hit a switch and then off to Asterisk, 
other servers and a RB router.

I am now switching to a /29 for everything.  So the ONT ethernet will first hit 
a RB2011 iL-IN (assuming it is capable of doing what we need) and then go to 
our various other servers as well as the Asterisk system.

I am not a router guy.  I took exactly one Cisco router class probably back in 
2003.  I may have upgraded one Cisco router once back when you could buy one 
license but apply it to multiple devices.  Not sure if they plugged that hole, 
I imagine they did.

This sounds like it should be trivial.  I hope it is trivial.  But I would 
rather have the borg take a look at it before I start to try to download the RB 
manual and go into my autodidactical mode.  Too old for this crap.




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WAN IP: 76.76.252.68
Subnet: 255.255.255.0
Gateway: 76.76.252.1

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Re: [AFMUG] Gonna need some help please.

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

What are the symptoms?

Are you getting call setup requests but no audio, etc?

setting nat=yes and canreinvite=no fixes a lot of these, at the
expense of having to have all of the call audio going through the
asterisk box.  Be aware that this suggestion might be dated since I
haven't dealt with an astersisk setup for quite some time (mine just
keeps chugging along wiht little maintenance).


On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 5:34 PM  wrote:
>
> I have an asterisk system speaking to my SIP provider.  One end or the other 
> (or both) do not tolerate NAT.  We for years we have had a Static for the SIP 
> trunks.  And a mix of other statics and DHCP circuits for everything else we 
> do.  So coming from the ONT we first hit a switch and then off to Asterisk, 
> other servers and a RB router.
>
> I am now switching to a /29 for everything.  So the ONT ethernet will first 
> hit a RB2011 iL-IN (assuming it is capable of doing what we need) and then go 
> to our various other servers as well as the Asterisk system.
>
> I am not a router guy.  I took exactly one Cisco router class probably back 
> in 2003.  I may have upgraded one Cisco router once back when you could buy 
> one license but apply it to multiple devices.  Not sure if they plugged that 
> hole, I imagine they did.
>
> This sounds like it should be trivial.  I hope it is trivial.  But I would 
> rather have the borg take a look at it before I start to try to download the 
> RB manual and go into my autodidactical mode.  Too old for this crap.
>
>
>
>
> 76.76.254.48/29 routed to 76.76.252.68
>
> WAN IP: 76.76.252.68
> Subnet: 255.255.255.0
> Gateway: 76.76.252.1
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

[Mike Hammett]

Can't you just watch some infomercials and base your decision on that? :-p 




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- Original Message -

From: "Nate Burke"  
To: "Animal Farm"  
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 10:46:14 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems 

I have some relatives that are getting elderly and still living on their 
own. Landline only (Frontier, so it mostly works), they don't even have 
a cell phone. It seems like a lot of devices now are geared towards the 
smart home market, where they presume that you have an internet 
connection. Other devices are $20 or $30/month for the 
monitoring/answering service. There are other family members close by, 
so it really just needs a wireless panic button that can make an 
outbound call to them. A cordless phone is probably more technical that 
can be handled, and I know that it would rarely leave it's base 
station. So a pendent/watch is much more preferable. 

Just brainstorming, Preferably, dial a list of numbers until someone 
answers and confirms via keypress or something. 

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[AFMUG] Gonna need some help please.

[chuck]

I have an asterisk system speaking to my SIP provider.  One end or the other 
(or both) do not tolerate NAT.  We for years we have had a Static for the SIP 
trunks.  And a mix of other statics and DHCP circuits for everything else we 
do.  So coming from the ONT we first hit a switch and then off to Asterisk, 
other servers and a RB router.  

I am now switching to a /29 for everything.  So the ONT ethernet will first hit 
a RB2011 iL-IN (assuming it is capable of doing what we need) and then go to 
our various other servers as well as the Asterisk system.  

I am not a router guy.  I took exactly one Cisco router class probably back in 
2003.  I may have upgraded one Cisco router once back when you could buy one 
license but apply it to multiple devices.  Not sure if they plugged that hole, 
I imagine they did.  

This sounds like it should be trivial.  I hope it is trivial.  But I would 
rather have the borg take a look at it before I start to try to download the RB 
manual and go into my autodidactical mode.  Too old for this crap.  




76.76.254.48/29 routed to 76.76.252.68

WAN IP: 76.76.252.68
Subnet: 255.255.255.0
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Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber24 repair

[Nate Burke]

There's an official repair channel through UBNT I Believe.   In 2017 I 
sent in 2 broken AF24 radios, and they let me buy refurbed radios for 
$400 each.Everything was coordinated through Support and then 
ordered via the UBNT Store.  Unless thing have changed since then.


https://store.ui.com/search?mockup=airfiber+repair=airfiber+repair*




On 6/24/2019 6:10 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:


I have a couple of AirFiber24s that need repair.

Anyone doing this?

Thanks

Adam





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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

[chuck]

That reminded me of being out in the middle of nowhere (Tygh Ridge, Oregon) on 
a day that was about 10 below zero.  Stopped at a ped to do some work.  Needed 
to call the office for some reason.  Dial on the butt set was too cold to turn. 
 So after a few attempts I was able to dial zero by just tapping the clips to 
the wire.  Operators back then were very helpful, especially if you told them 
you were a lineman.  She connected me.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 5:06 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

New customer last week was telling our installer they keep getting 911 
responses to their dairy barn, it turns out they have a milking system that 
connects to a Frontier landline that is very unreliable, and the random 
interruptions would occasionally dial 9-1-1.  Frontier always blames it on 
“mice in the boxes”.  I have a mental image of the mice tapping out 9-1-1.  
Help, we’re being held hostage in a Frontier cross box!

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 5:17 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

 

We used to sell emergency dialers when i worked at a radio shack, that was back 
when the documentation wasnt marketing. It had all kinds of warnings about not 
using it to dial emergency services without professional installation, keep it 
on backup power sources, have an alternate method for emergency contact 
outward, etc. I much preferred that to todays focus on helmet wearing window 
licking ease of installation, one button setup, and no way of knowing if it 
works til grandmas hip is broke at the bottom of the stairs

 

On Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 3:58 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

  Apple Watch with cellular is what we did for my mom.

   

  When it calls 911 it will also txt whomever you want to also alert them to 
the 911 call

   

  -Sean

   

   

  On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 9:47 AM Nate Burke  wrote:

I have some relatives that are getting elderly and still living on their 
own.  Landline only (Frontier, so it mostly works), they don't even have 
a cell phone.  It seems like a lot of devices now are geared towards the 
smart home market, where they presume that you have an internet 
connection.  Other devices are $20 or $30/month for the 
monitoring/answering service.  There are other family members close by, 
so it really just needs a wireless panic button that can make an 
outbound call to them.  A cordless phone is probably more technical that 
can be handled, and I know that it would rarely leave it's base 
station.  So a pendent/watch is much more preferable.

Just brainstorming, Preferably, dial a list of numbers until someone 
answers and confirms via keypress or something.

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[AFMUG] AirFiber24 repair

[SmarterBroadband]

I have a couple of AirFiber24s that need repair.   

 

Anyone doing this?

 

Thanks

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

[Ken Hohhof]

New customer last week was telling our installer they keep getting 911 
responses to their dairy barn, it turns out they have a milking system that 
connects to a Frontier landline that is very unreliable, and the random 
interruptions would occasionally dial 9-1-1.  Frontier always blames it on 
“mice in the boxes”.  I have a mental image of the mice tapping out 9-1-1.  
Help, we’re being held hostage in a Frontier cross box!

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 5:17 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

 

We used to sell emergency dialers when i worked at a radio shack, that was back 
when the documentation wasnt marketing. It had all kinds of warnings about not 
using it to dial emergency services without professional installation, keep it 
on backup power sources, have an alternate method for emergency contact 
outward, etc. I much preferred that to todays focus on helmet wearing window 
licking ease of installation, one button setup, and no way of knowing if it 
works til grandmas hip is broke at the bottom of the stairs

 

On Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 3:58 PM Sean Heskett mailto:af...@zirkel.us> > wrote:

Apple Watch with cellular is what we did for my mom.

 

When it calls 911 it will also txt whomever you want to also alert them to the 
911 call

 

-Sean

 

 

On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 9:47 AM Nate Burke mailto:n...@blastcomm.com> > wrote:

I have some relatives that are getting elderly and still living on their 
own.  Landline only (Frontier, so it mostly works), they don't even have 
a cell phone.  It seems like a lot of devices now are geared towards the 
smart home market, where they presume that you have an internet 
connection.  Other devices are $20 or $30/month for the 
monitoring/answering service.  There are other family members close by, 
so it really just needs a wireless panic button that can make an 
outbound call to them.  A cordless phone is probably more technical that 
can be handled, and I know that it would rarely leave it's base 
station.  So a pendent/watch is much more preferable.

Just brainstorming, Preferably, dial a list of numbers until someone 
answers and confirms via keypress or something.

Does something like that exist?

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

[Steve Jones]

We used to sell emergency dialers when i worked at a radio shack, that was
back when the documentation wasnt marketing. It had all kinds of warnings
about not using it to dial emergency services without professional
installation, keep it on backup power sources, have an alternate method for
emergency contact outward, etc. I much preferred that to todays focus on
helmet wearing window licking ease of installation, one button setup, and
no way of knowing if it works til grandmas hip is broke at the bottom of
the stairs

On Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 3:58 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> Apple Watch with cellular is what we did for my mom.
>
> When it calls 911 it will also txt whomever you want to also alert them to
> the 911 call
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 9:47 AM Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>> I have some relatives that are getting elderly and still living on their
>> own.  Landline only (Frontier, so it mostly works), they don't even have
>> a cell phone.  It seems like a lot of devices now are geared towards the
>> smart home market, where they presume that you have an internet
>> connection.  Other devices are $20 or $30/month for the
>> monitoring/answering service.  There are other family members close by,
>> so it really just needs a wireless panic button that can make an
>> outbound call to them.  A cordless phone is probably more technical that
>> can be handled, and I know that it would rarely leave it's base
>> station.  So a pendent/watch is much more preferable.
>>
>> Just brainstorming, Preferably, dial a list of numbers until someone
>> answers and confirms via keypress or something.
>>
>> Does something like that exist?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

[Sean Heskett]

Apple Watch with cellular is what we did for my mom.

When it calls 911 it will also txt whomever you want to also alert them to
the 911 call

-Sean


On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 9:47 AM Nate Burke  wrote:

> I have some relatives that are getting elderly and still living on their
> own.  Landline only (Frontier, so it mostly works), they don't even have
> a cell phone.  It seems like a lot of devices now are geared towards the
> smart home market, where they presume that you have an internet
> connection.  Other devices are $20 or $30/month for the
> monitoring/answering service.  There are other family members close by,
> so it really just needs a wireless panic button that can make an
> outbound call to them.  A cordless phone is probably more technical that
> can be handled, and I know that it would rarely leave it's base
> station.  So a pendent/watch is much more preferable.
>
> Just brainstorming, Preferably, dial a list of numbers until someone
> answers and confirms via keypress or something.
>
> Does something like that exist?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

[chuck]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q2s8AJbsps

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 2:28 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

They need to buy the relative a collie.  Run, Lassie, get help!

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 2:47 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

 

The problem is people are sometimes dumb.

There was actually a specific person who prompted my comment.  During that 4 
hour outage, someone emailed and called multiple times because their elderly 
relative relied on the internet connection to reach out in the case of medical 
emergencies.

I said get a landline phone; they claimed there was no option.  I checked 
Verizon's website which clearly said there IS phone service there and sent them 
the link to it.  I also suggested get a second Internet service or a cell phone 
so you have a backup.  They said there isn't any other internet service there 
and apparently the Verizon POTS doesn't really work there for some reason and 
there's no cell reception.  

They seemed to really want to dig their heels in and make this my problem, and 
I'm not interested.

-Adam



On 6/24/2019 1:12 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

  AUP's are for that but I don't know if they provide any shield. I really 
don't see how a service with no SLA could be deemed by anyone as emergency 
communications.

   

  On Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 9:05 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

Honestly I wish they would stop selling these things with an option to 
use the Internet rather than a phone line...or at least require a 
landline phone as a backup for the Internet.

There was a 4 hour outage on a Saturday morning recently caused by a 
router failure.  Frankly, I'm happy with how quickly we resolved that 
given that it was just about the worst failure possible and it happened 
on a weekend.  But if someone had a problem at that time, and their 
health monitoring equipment couldn't phone the mothership to report it I 
really don't want that on my head.

-Adam


On 6/24/2019 11:46 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
> I have some relatives that are getting elderly and still living on 
> their own.  Landline only (Frontier, so it mostly works), they don't 
> even have a cell phone.  It seems like a lot of devices now are geared 
> towards the smart home market, where they presume that you have an 
> internet connection.  Other devices are $20 or $30/month for the 
> monitoring/answering service.  There are other family members close 
> by, so it really just needs a wireless panic button that can make an 
> outbound call to them.  A cordless phone is probably more technical 
> that can be handled, and I know that it would rarely leave it's base 
> station.  So a pendent/watch is much more preferable.
>
> Just brainstorming, Preferably, dial a list of numbers until someone 
> answers and confirms via keypress or something.
>
> Does something like that exist?
>


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

[Ken Hohhof]

They need to buy the relative a collie.  Run, Lassie, get help!

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 2:47 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

 

The problem is people are sometimes dumb.

There was actually a specific person who prompted my comment.  During that 4 
hour outage, someone emailed and called multiple times because their elderly 
relative relied on the internet connection to reach out in the case of medical 
emergencies.

I said get a landline phone; they claimed there was no option.  I checked 
Verizon's website which clearly said there IS phone service there and sent them 
the link to it.  I also suggested get a second Internet service or a cell phone 
so you have a backup.  They said there isn't any other internet service there 
and apparently the Verizon POTS doesn't really work there for some reason and 
there's no cell reception.  

They seemed to really want to dig their heels in and make this my problem, and 
I'm not interested.

-Adam



On 6/24/2019 1:12 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

AUP's are for that but I don't know if they provide any shield. I really don't 
see how a service with no SLA could be deemed by anyone as emergency 
communications.

 

On Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 9:05 AM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Honestly I wish they would stop selling these things with an option to 
use the Internet rather than a phone line...or at least require a 
landline phone as a backup for the Internet.

There was a 4 hour outage on a Saturday morning recently caused by a 
router failure.  Frankly, I'm happy with how quickly we resolved that 
given that it was just about the worst failure possible and it happened 
on a weekend.  But if someone had a problem at that time, and their 
health monitoring equipment couldn't phone the mothership to report it I 
really don't want that on my head.

-Adam


On 6/24/2019 11:46 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
> I have some relatives that are getting elderly and still living on 
> their own.  Landline only (Frontier, so it mostly works), they don't 
> even have a cell phone.  It seems like a lot of devices now are geared 
> towards the smart home market, where they presume that you have an 
> internet connection.  Other devices are $20 or $30/month for the 
> monitoring/answering service.  There are other family members close 
> by, so it really just needs a wireless panic button that can make an 
> outbound call to them.  A cordless phone is probably more technical 
> that can be handled, and I know that it would rarely leave it's base 
> station.  So a pendent/watch is much more preferable.
>
> Just brainstorming, Preferably, dial a list of numbers until someone 
> answers and confirms via keypress or something.
>
> Does something like that exist?
>


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

[Adam Moffett]

The problem is people are sometimes dumb.

There was actually a specific person who prompted my comment. During 
that 4 hour outage, someone emailed and called multiple times because 
their elderly relative relied on the internet connection to reach out in 
the case of medical emergencies.


I said get a landline phone; they claimed there was no option.  I 
checked Verizon's website which clearly said there IS phone service 
there and sent them the link to it.  I also suggested get a second 
Internet service or a cell phone so you have a backup.  They said there 
isn't any other internet service there and apparently the Verizon POTS 
doesn't really work there for some reason and there's no cell reception.


They seemed to really want to dig their heels in and make this my 
problem, and I'm not interested.


-Adam


On 6/24/2019 1:12 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
AUP's are for that but I don't know if they provide any shield. I 
really don't see how a service with no SLA could be deemed by anyone 
as emergency communications.


On Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 9:05 AM Adam Moffett > wrote:


Honestly I wish they would stop selling these things with an
option to
use the Internet rather than a phone line...or at least require a
landline phone as a backup for the Internet.

There was a 4 hour outage on a Saturday morning recently caused by a
router failure.  Frankly, I'm happy with how quickly we resolved that
given that it was just about the worst failure possible and it
happened
on a weekend.  But if someone had a problem at that time, and their
health monitoring equipment couldn't phone the mothership to
report it I
really don't want that on my head.

-Adam


On 6/24/2019 11:46 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
> I have some relatives that are getting elderly and still living on
> their own.  Landline only (Frontier, so it mostly works), they
don't
> even have a cell phone.  It seems like a lot of devices now are
geared
> towards the smart home market, where they presume that you have an
> internet connection.  Other devices are $20 or $30/month for the
> monitoring/answering service.  There are other family members close
> by, so it really just needs a wireless panic button that can
make an
> outbound call to them.  A cordless phone is probably more technical
> that can be handled, and I know that it would rarely leave it's
base
> station.  So a pendent/watch is much more preferable.
>
> Just brainstorming, Preferably, dial a list of numbers until
someone
> answers and confirms via keypress or something.
>
> Does something like that exist?
>


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

[Lewis Bergman]

AUP's are for that but I don't know if they provide any shield. I really
don't see how a service with no SLA could be deemed by anyone as emergency
communications.

On Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 9:05 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Honestly I wish they would stop selling these things with an option to
> use the Internet rather than a phone line...or at least require a
> landline phone as a backup for the Internet.
>
> There was a 4 hour outage on a Saturday morning recently caused by a
> router failure.  Frankly, I'm happy with how quickly we resolved that
> given that it was just about the worst failure possible and it happened
> on a weekend.  But if someone had a problem at that time, and their
> health monitoring equipment couldn't phone the mothership to report it I
> really don't want that on my head.
>
> -Adam
>
>
> On 6/24/2019 11:46 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
> > I have some relatives that are getting elderly and still living on
> > their own.  Landline only (Frontier, so it mostly works), they don't
> > even have a cell phone.  It seems like a lot of devices now are geared
> > towards the smart home market, where they presume that you have an
> > internet connection.  Other devices are $20 or $30/month for the
> > monitoring/answering service.  There are other family members close
> > by, so it really just needs a wireless panic button that can make an
> > outbound call to them.  A cordless phone is probably more technical
> > that can be handled, and I know that it would rarely leave it's base
> > station.  So a pendent/watch is much more preferable.
> >
> > Just brainstorming, Preferably, dial a list of numbers until someone
> > answers and confirms via keypress or something.
> >
> > Does something like that exist?
> >
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

[Ken Hohhof]

Highly recommend TOS contain language stating the service is not for "high risk 
use" where an outage could lead to death, personal injury or property damage.  
And enforce it.  If a customer states they intend to use the Internet 
connection for life support systems, medical alerts, fire alarms, etc., insist 
they must have a backup method like a landline or cellphone.

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 11:05 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

Honestly I wish they would stop selling these things with an option to use the 
Internet rather than a phone line...or at least require a landline phone as a 
backup for the Internet.

There was a 4 hour outage on a Saturday morning recently caused by a router 
failure.  Frankly, I'm happy with how quickly we resolved that given that it 
was just about the worst failure possible and it happened on a weekend.  But if 
someone had a problem at that time, and their health monitoring equipment 
couldn't phone the mothership to report it I really don't want that on my head.

-Adam


On 6/24/2019 11:46 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
> I have some relatives that are getting elderly and still living on 
> their own.  Landline only (Frontier, so it mostly works), they don't 
> even have a cell phone.  It seems like a lot of devices now are geared 
> towards the smart home market, where they presume that you have an 
> internet connection.  Other devices are $20 or $30/month for the 
> monitoring/answering service.  There are other family members close 
> by, so it really just needs a wireless panic button that can make an 
> outbound call to them.  A cordless phone is probably more technical 
> that can be handled, and I know that it would rarely leave it's base 
> station.  So a pendent/watch is much more preferable.
>
> Just brainstorming, Preferably, dial a list of numbers until someone 
> answers and confirms via keypress or something.
>
> Does something like that exist?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT TV Review

[Robert Andrews]

I wasn't, wished I was, and Matthew McConaughey goes 1.5 hours of movie 
non-stop with a lit doobie.   If there was a plot we couldn't find it.


On 06/24/2019 09:32 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

So were you stoned in the 1960s sense or in the 1940s sense?

-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 10:29 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TV Review

Review of Beach Bum...You _must_ be stoned to watch this...
Otherwise it's a waste(d) time...

On 06/23/2019 03:56 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Hulu
_Das Boot _
Series
Loved it.  About 8-10 one hour episodes.
I never read the book so I don’t know if the extra stuff was created 
for the series or if the series is more faithful to the book than the 
movie.
Lots of German and subtitles but a fair amount of English with no 
subtitles.  French too and I think a little Spanish.

Almost binge watched the whole thing in one go. Almost.






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Re: [AFMUG] OT TV Review

[chuck]

So were you stoned in the 1960s sense or in the 1940s sense?

-Original Message- 
From: Robert Andrews

Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 10:29 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TV Review

Review of Beach Bum...You _must_ be stoned to watch this...
Otherwise it's a waste(d) time...

On 06/23/2019 03:56 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Hulu
_Das Boot _
Series
Loved it.  About 8-10 one hour episodes.
I never read the book so I don’t know if the extra stuff was created for 
the series or if the series is more faithful to the book than the movie.
Lots of German and subtitles but a fair amount of English with no 
subtitles.  French too and I think a little Spanish.

Almost binge watched the whole thing in one go. Almost.




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Re: [AFMUG] OT TV Review

[Robert Andrews]

Review of Beach Bum...You _must_ be stoned to watch this... 
Otherwise it's a waste(d) time...


On 06/23/2019 03:56 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Hulu
_Das Boot _
Series
Loved it.  About 8-10 one hour episodes.
I never read the book so I don’t know if the extra stuff was created for 
the series or if the series is more faithful to the book than the movie.
Lots of German and subtitles but a fair amount of English with no 
subtitles.  French too and I think a little Spanish.

Almost binge watched the whole thing in one go. Almost.




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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

[Nate Burke]

Thanks!  My Google-fu was failing me this morning.

On 6/24/2019 11:02 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
https://www.amazon.com/Medical-Alert-System-Seniors-MONTHLY/dp/B018DJ428A/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_229_t_1?_encoding=UTF8=1=PEVD2KAG67DQYSR59QGV 



-Original Message- From: Nate Burke
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 9:46 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

I have some relatives that are getting elderly and still living on their
own.  Landline only (Frontier, so it mostly works), they don't even have
a cell phone.  It seems like a lot of devices now are geared towards the
smart home market, where they presume that you have an internet
connection.  Other devices are $20 or $30/month for the
monitoring/answering service.  There are other family members close by,
so it really just needs a wireless panic button that can make an
outbound call to them.  A cordless phone is probably more technical that
can be handled, and I know that it would rarely leave it's base
station.  So a pendent/watch is much more preferable.

Just brainstorming, Preferably, dial a list of numbers until someone
answers and confirms via keypress or something.

Does something like that exist?




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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

[Adam Moffett]

Honestly I wish they would stop selling these things with an option to 
use the Internet rather than a phone line...or at least require a 
landline phone as a backup for the Internet.


There was a 4 hour outage on a Saturday morning recently caused by a 
router failure.  Frankly, I'm happy with how quickly we resolved that 
given that it was just about the worst failure possible and it happened 
on a weekend.  But if someone had a problem at that time, and their 
health monitoring equipment couldn't phone the mothership to report it I 
really don't want that on my head.


-Adam


On 6/24/2019 11:46 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
I have some relatives that are getting elderly and still living on 
their own.  Landline only (Frontier, so it mostly works), they don't 
even have a cell phone.  It seems like a lot of devices now are geared 
towards the smart home market, where they presume that you have an 
internet connection.  Other devices are $20 or $30/month for the 
monitoring/answering service.  There are other family members close 
by, so it really just needs a wireless panic button that can make an 
outbound call to them.  A cordless phone is probably more technical 
that can be handled, and I know that it would rarely leave it's base 
station.  So a pendent/watch is much more preferable.


Just brainstorming, Preferably, dial a list of numbers until someone 
answers and confirms via keypress or something.


Does something like that exist?




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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

[Chuck McCown]

https://www.amazon.com/Medical-Alert-System-Seniors-MONTHLY/dp/B018DJ428A/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_229_t_1?_encoding=UTF8=1=PEVD2KAG67DQYSR59QGV

-Original Message- 
From: Nate Burke

Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 9:46 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

I have some relatives that are getting elderly and still living on their
own.  Landline only (Frontier, so it mostly works), they don't even have
a cell phone.  It seems like a lot of devices now are geared towards the
smart home market, where they presume that you have an internet
connection.  Other devices are $20 or $30/month for the
monitoring/answering service.  There are other family members close by,
so it really just needs a wireless panic button that can make an
outbound call to them.  A cordless phone is probably more technical that
can be handled, and I know that it would rarely leave it's base
station.  So a pendent/watch is much more preferable.

Just brainstorming, Preferably, dial a list of numbers until someone
answers and confirms via keypress or something.

Does something like that exist?

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

[Chuck McCown]

https://www.amazon.com/V-ALRT-Wireless-Personal-Emergency-Device/dp/B00JZM7ZVQ/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_229_t_0/144-5367273-5880503?_encoding=UTF8=1=J8WYTWNW8PWAK5FNXFBJ

-Original Message- 
From: Nate Burke

Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 9:46 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

I have some relatives that are getting elderly and still living on their
own.  Landline only (Frontier, so it mostly works), they don't even have
a cell phone.  It seems like a lot of devices now are geared towards the
smart home market, where they presume that you have an internet
connection.  Other devices are $20 or $30/month for the
monitoring/answering service.  There are other family members close by,
so it really just needs a wireless panic button that can make an
outbound call to them.  A cordless phone is probably more technical that
can be handled, and I know that it would rarely leave it's base
station.  So a pendent/watch is much more preferable.

Just brainstorming, Preferably, dial a list of numbers until someone
answers and confirms via keypress or something.

Does something like that exist?

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

[Chuck McCown]

https://www.amazon.com/EMERGENCY-DIALER-MONTHLY-FEES-MEDICAL/dp/B010C8FH98

-Original Message- 
From: Nate Burke 
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 9:46 AM 
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems 

I have some relatives that are getting elderly and still living on their 
own.  Landline only (Frontier, so it mostly works), they don't even have 
a cell phone.  It seems like a lot of devices now are geared towards the 
smart home market, where they presume that you have an internet 
connection.  Other devices are $20 or $30/month for the 
monitoring/answering service.  There are other family members close by, 
so it really just needs a wireless panic button that can make an 
outbound call to them.  A cordless phone is probably more technical that 
can be handled, and I know that it would rarely leave it's base 
station.  So a pendent/watch is much more preferable.


Just brainstorming, Preferably, dial a list of numbers until someone 
answers and confirms via keypress or something.


Does something like that exist?

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

[Chuck McCown]

https://www.rescuealert.com/

-Original Message- 
From: Nate Burke 
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 9:46 AM 
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems 

I have some relatives that are getting elderly and still living on their 
own.  Landline only (Frontier, so it mostly works), they don't even have 
a cell phone.  It seems like a lot of devices now are geared towards the 
smart home market, where they presume that you have an internet 
connection.  Other devices are $20 or $30/month for the 
monitoring/answering service.  There are other family members close by, 
so it really just needs a wireless panic button that can make an 
outbound call to them.  A cordless phone is probably more technical that 
can be handled, and I know that it would rarely leave it's base 
station.  So a pendent/watch is much more preferable.


Just brainstorming, Preferably, dial a list of numbers until someone 
answers and confirms via keypress or something.


Does something like that exist?

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

[can...@believewireless.net]

I just send you an e-mail. A friend of mine owns a medical pendant company
and can let you
know what is on the market or if he has a solution that can help.

On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 11:47 AM Nate Burke  wrote:

> I have some relatives that are getting elderly and still living on their
> own.  Landline only (Frontier, so it mostly works), they don't even have
> a cell phone.  It seems like a lot of devices now are geared towards the
> smart home market, where they presume that you have an internet
> connection.  Other devices are $20 or $30/month for the
> monitoring/answering service.  There are other family members close by,
> so it really just needs a wireless panic button that can make an
> outbound call to them.  A cordless phone is probably more technical that
> can be handled, and I know that it would rarely leave it's base
> station.  So a pendent/watch is much more preferable.
>
> Just brainstorming, Preferably, dial a list of numbers until someone
> answers and confirms via keypress or something.
>
> Does something like that exist?
>
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[AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

[Nate Burke]

I have some relatives that are getting elderly and still living on their 
own.  Landline only (Frontier, so it mostly works), they don't even have 
a cell phone.  It seems like a lot of devices now are geared towards the 
smart home market, where they presume that you have an internet 
connection.  Other devices are $20 or $30/month for the 
monitoring/answering service.  There are other family members close by, 
so it really just needs a wireless panic button that can make an 
outbound call to them.  A cordless phone is probably more technical that 
can be handled, and I know that it would rarely leave it's base 
station.  So a pendent/watch is much more preferable.


Just brainstorming, Preferably, dial a list of numbers until someone 
answers and confirms via keypress or something.


Does something like that exist?

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