[AFMUG] fun size Paydays

[Ken Hohhof]

At the grocery store I saw bulk packages of fun size Paydays (also
Snickers).  Very tempting.  However, I thought:

 

a)  There probably won't be trick-or-treaters this year

b)  With my luck I'd give one to a kid with peanut allergies

c)  I'd end up eating them

 

I usually give out the little bags of Skittles, although one year I gave out
superhero Pez dispensers, the kids thought I was some crazy old coot.  Last
year I ordered some little Halloween coloring books and crayons, my son
thought that was so lame he refused to hand them out and got out the
Skittles.

 

I'm still tempted to go back and get the little Paydays, they were so cute.
I didn't have my phone or I would have taken a photo.  Strange the store
just had Paydays and Snickers.  They must hate kids with peanut allergies.
Or they believe in real candy that kids actually like, not ridiculous stuff
like those Necco wafers.

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Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

[Ken Hohhof]

I believe white rice has the bran layer removed which is also where the oil
resides.  Brown rice is probably "healthier" but only has about a 6 month
shelf life.

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 7:03 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

It was brown Basmati rice. is there oil in that?


bp


On 10/9/2020 4:58 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> Supposedly brown or wild rice goes bad but white rice doesn't.  Which type
did you have?  Sounds like oil went rancid.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 6:40 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>
> Stores around here seem to have tons of TP. I see pallets of it when I go
into Home Depot. The San Carlos Costco has a wall full of it. Even the local
grocery has what looks like normal shelves full of. So no worries there.
>
> There also seems to be plenty of stock of canned fruit.
>
> So maybe there is some regional-ness to it all.
>
> Rice does go stale at least. We had poured some surplus rice into a jar
that we closed up & then stuck it in  the back of the pantry where we forgot
about it for at least a year (maybe two). When we opened it up recently, it
was still "rice", but it smelled terrible.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 10/9/2020 4:03 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>> Most of the shortages seem to have abated.  Still hard to find toilet 
>> paper if you don't want the MEGA rolls (because they don't fit on your
holders).
>>
>> The most persistent shortage seems to be canned fruit.  I'm thinking 
>> it's actually the cans that are in short supply, not the fruit.
>> Although you'd think all the fruit would be canned in late summer or 
>> fall and then warehoused.
>>
>> Supposedly white rice and dried beans are good basically forever, no 
>> matter what the expiration date may say.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
>> Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 4:10 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>>
>> 2020 has been the preppers dream, bad enough for justification, not 
>> bad enough for actual desperation...
>>
>> On 10/09/2020 01:46 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>> Many are.
>>> *From:* James Howard
>>> *Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 2:28 PM
>>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>>>
>>> So basically preppers?
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> *Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 2:53 PM
>>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>>>
>>> 12 month...
>>>
>>> *From:*Ken Hohhof
>>>
>>> *Sent:*Friday, October 9, 2020 1:14 PM
>>>
>>> *To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>>>
>>> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>>>
>>> Chuck probably figures we keep the standard LDS 3 month supply in 
>>> our pantry.
>>>
>>> *From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
>>> *Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 1:54 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>>>
>>> I totally agree, the drop shipping thing drives me nuts.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:30 PM can...@believewireless.net 
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>   If distributors won't stock your product, why keep them around? If
>>>   you are drop shipping everything, then why not just
>>>
>>>   sell direct and get rid of distributors? What value are they
adding
>>>   to your business other than an easy way for customers
>>>
>>>   to order your product?
>>>
>>>   I'd order from you directly if it was the only way to get your
>> products.
>>>   On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:52 PM  wrote:
>>>
>>>   Not entirely their fault, some of them do stock.  We did have
a
>>>   gap in production of a few weeks a while back but nothing a
bit
>>>   of safety stock would not cure.
>>>
>>>   I offer them all virtual warehouse space at zero cost.  They
can
>>>   stock it here and drop ship from here.  But still, cash must
be
>>>   too tight for them to do that.
>>>
>>>   *From:*Josh Luthman
>>>
>>>   *Sent:*Friday, October 9, 2020 11:30 AM
>>>
>>>   *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>
>>>   *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>>>
>>>   *sigh* daily struggle
>>>
>>>   Josh Luthman
>>>   24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>>>   Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>   1100 Wayne St
>>>   Suite 1337
>>>   Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>   On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:28 PM  wrote:
>>>
>>>   Only thing wrong is distributors do not like to tie up
cash
>>>   in inventory.
>>>
>>>   *From:*Josh Luthman
>>>
>>>   *Sent:*Friday, October 9, 2020 11:23 AM
>>>
>>>   *To:*AFMUG
>>>
>>>   *Subject:*[AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT scallops and crab

[Robert via AF]

Both, obviously...!!!

On 10/9/20 6:02 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:




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Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

[Chuck McCown]

Racist

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 9, 2020, at 5:59 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> Supposedly brown or wild rice goes bad but white rice doesn't.  Which type 
> did you have?  Sounds like oil went rancid.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 6:40 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
> 
> Stores around here seem to have tons of TP. I see pallets of it when I go 
> into Home Depot. The San Carlos Costco has a wall full of it. Even the local 
> grocery has what looks like normal shelves full of. So no worries there.
> 
> There also seems to be plenty of stock of canned fruit.
> 
> So maybe there is some regional-ness to it all.
> 
> Rice does go stale at least. We had poured some surplus rice into a jar that 
> we closed up & then stuck it in  the back of the pantry where we forgot about 
> it for at least a year (maybe two). When we opened it up recently, it was 
> still "rice", but it smelled terrible.
> 
> 
> bp
> 
> 
>> On 10/9/2020 4:03 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>> Most of the shortages seem to have abated.  Still hard to find toilet 
>> paper if you don't want the MEGA rolls (because they don't fit on your 
>> holders).
>> 
>> The most persistent shortage seems to be canned fruit.  I'm thinking 
>> it's actually the cans that are in short supply, not the fruit.  
>> Although you'd think all the fruit would be canned in late summer or 
>> fall and then warehoused.
>> 
>> Supposedly white rice and dried beans are good basically forever, no 
>> matter what the expiration date may say.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
>> Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 4:10 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>> 
>> 2020 has been the preppers dream, bad enough for justification, not 
>> bad enough for actual desperation...
>> 
>>> On 10/09/2020 01:46 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>> Many are.
>>> *From:* James Howard
>>> *Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 2:28 PM
>>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>>> 
>>> So basically preppers?
>>> 
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> *Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 2:53 PM
>>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>>> 
>>> 12 month...
>>> 
>>> *From:*Ken Hohhof
>>> 
>>> *Sent:*Friday, October 9, 2020 1:14 PM
>>> 
>>> *To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>>> 
>>> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>>> 
>>> Chuck probably figures we keep the standard LDS 3 month supply in our 
>>> pantry.
>>> 
>>> *From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
>>> *Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 1:54 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>>> 
>>> I totally agree, the drop shipping thing drives me nuts.
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:30 PM can...@believewireless.net 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> If distributors won't stock your product, why keep them around? If
>>> you are drop shipping everything, then why not just
>>> 
>>> sell direct and get rid of distributors? What value are they adding
>>> to your business other than an easy way for customers
>>> 
>>> to order your product?
>>> 
>>> I'd order from you directly if it was the only way to get your
>> products.
 On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:52 PM  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Not entirely their fault, some of them do stock.  We did have a
>>> gap in production of a few weeks a while back but nothing a bit
>>> of safety stock would not cure.
>>> 
>>> I offer them all virtual warehouse space at zero cost.  They can
>>> stock it here and drop ship from here.  But still, cash must be
>>> too tight for them to do that.
>>> 
>>> *From:*Josh Luthman
>>> 
>>> *Sent:*Friday, October 9, 2020 11:30 AM
>>> 
>>> *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> 
>>> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>>> 
>>> *sigh* daily struggle
>>> 
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
 On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:28 PM  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Only thing wrong is distributors do not like to tie up cash
>>> in inventory.
>>> 
>>> *From:*Josh Luthman
>>> 
>>> *Sent:*Friday, October 9, 2020 11:23 AM
>>> 
>>> *To:*AFMUG
>>> 
>>> *Subject:*[AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>>> 
>>> Streakwave nor CTI seem to have any source for them.  Does
>>> any secondary distributor have some?
>>> 
>>> Something wrong at the factory Chuck?
>>> 
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St

Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

[Bill Prince]

It was brown Basmati rice. is there oil in that?


bp


On 10/9/2020 4:58 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Supposedly brown or wild rice goes bad but white rice doesn't.  Which type did 
you have?  Sounds like oil went rancid.

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 6:40 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

Stores around here seem to have tons of TP. I see pallets of it when I go into 
Home Depot. The San Carlos Costco has a wall full of it. Even the local grocery 
has what looks like normal shelves full of. So no worries there.

There also seems to be plenty of stock of canned fruit.

So maybe there is some regional-ness to it all.

Rice does go stale at least. We had poured some surplus rice into a jar that we closed up 
& then stuck it in  the back of the pantry where we forgot about it for at least a year 
(maybe two). When we opened it up recently, it was still "rice", but it smelled 
terrible.


bp


On 10/9/2020 4:03 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Most of the shortages seem to have abated.  Still hard to find toilet
paper if you don't want the MEGA rolls (because they don't fit on your holders).

The most persistent shortage seems to be canned fruit.  I'm thinking
it's actually the cans that are in short supply, not the fruit.
Although you'd think all the fruit would be canned in late summer or
fall and then warehoused.

Supposedly white rice and dried beans are good basically forever, no
matter what the expiration date may say.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 4:10 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

2020 has been the preppers dream, bad enough for justification, not
bad enough for actual desperation...

On 10/09/2020 01:46 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Many are.
*From:* James Howard
*Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 2:28 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

So basically preppers?

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 2:53 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

12 month...

*From:*Ken Hohhof

*Sent:*Friday, October 9, 2020 1:14 PM

*To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

Chuck probably figures we keep the standard LDS 3 month supply in our
pantry.

*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
*Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 1:54 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

I totally agree, the drop shipping thing drives me nuts.

On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:30 PM can...@believewireless.net
 wrote:

  If distributors won't stock your product, why keep them around? If
  you are drop shipping everything, then why not just

  sell direct and get rid of distributors? What value are they adding
  to your business other than an easy way for customers

  to order your product?

  I'd order from you directly if it was the only way to get your

products.

  On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:52 PM  wrote:

  Not entirely their fault, some of them do stock.  We did have a
  gap in production of a few weeks a while back but nothing a bit
  of safety stock would not cure.

  I offer them all virtual warehouse space at zero cost.  They can
  stock it here and drop ship from here.  But still, cash must be
  too tight for them to do that.

  *From:*Josh Luthman

  *Sent:*Friday, October 9, 2020 11:30 AM

  *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

  *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

  *sigh* daily struggle

  Josh Luthman
  24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:28 PM  wrote:

  Only thing wrong is distributors do not like to tie up cash
  in inventory.

  *From:*Josh Luthman

  *Sent:*Friday, October 9, 2020 11:23 AM

  *To:*AFMUG

  *Subject:*[AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

  Streakwave nor CTI seem to have any source for them.  Does
  any secondary distributor have some?

  Something wrong at the factory Chuck?

  Josh Luthman
  24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  
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Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

[Ken Hohhof]

Supposedly brown or wild rice goes bad but white rice doesn't.  Which type did 
you have?  Sounds like oil went rancid.

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 6:40 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

Stores around here seem to have tons of TP. I see pallets of it when I go into 
Home Depot. The San Carlos Costco has a wall full of it. Even the local grocery 
has what looks like normal shelves full of. So no worries there.

There also seems to be plenty of stock of canned fruit.

So maybe there is some regional-ness to it all.

Rice does go stale at least. We had poured some surplus rice into a jar that we 
closed up & then stuck it in  the back of the pantry where we forgot about it 
for at least a year (maybe two). When we opened it up recently, it was still 
"rice", but it smelled terrible.


bp


On 10/9/2020 4:03 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> Most of the shortages seem to have abated.  Still hard to find toilet 
> paper if you don't want the MEGA rolls (because they don't fit on your 
> holders).
>
> The most persistent shortage seems to be canned fruit.  I'm thinking 
> it's actually the cans that are in short supply, not the fruit.  
> Although you'd think all the fruit would be canned in late summer or 
> fall and then warehoused.
>
> Supposedly white rice and dried beans are good basically forever, no 
> matter what the expiration date may say.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
> Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 4:10 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>
> 2020 has been the preppers dream, bad enough for justification, not 
> bad enough for actual desperation...
>
> On 10/09/2020 01:46 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>> Many are.
>> *From:* James Howard
>> *Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 2:28 PM
>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>>
>> So basically preppers?
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 2:53 PM
>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>>
>> 12 month...
>>
>> *From:*Ken Hohhof
>>
>> *Sent:*Friday, October 9, 2020 1:14 PM
>>
>> *To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>>
>> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>>
>> Chuck probably figures we keep the standard LDS 3 month supply in our 
>> pantry.
>>
>> *From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
>> *Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 1:54 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>>
>> I totally agree, the drop shipping thing drives me nuts.
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:30 PM can...@believewireless.net 
>>  wrote:
>>
>>  If distributors won't stock your product, why keep them around? If
>>  you are drop shipping everything, then why not just
>>
>>  sell direct and get rid of distributors? What value are they adding
>>  to your business other than an easy way for customers
>>
>>  to order your product?
>>
>>  I'd order from you directly if it was the only way to get your
> products.
>>  On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:52 PM  wrote:
>>
>>  Not entirely their fault, some of them do stock.  We did have a
>>  gap in production of a few weeks a while back but nothing a bit
>>  of safety stock would not cure.
>>
>>  I offer them all virtual warehouse space at zero cost.  They can
>>  stock it here and drop ship from here.  But still, cash must be
>>  too tight for them to do that.
>>
>>  *From:*Josh Luthman
>>
>>  *Sent:*Friday, October 9, 2020 11:30 AM
>>
>>  *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>
>>  *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>>
>>  *sigh* daily struggle
>>
>>  Josh Luthman
>>  24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>>  Direct: 937-552-2343
>>  1100 Wayne St
>>  Suite 1337
>>  Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>  On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:28 PM  wrote:
>>
>>  Only thing wrong is distributors do not like to tie up cash
>>  in inventory.
>>
>>  *From:*Josh Luthman
>>
>>  *Sent:*Friday, October 9, 2020 11:23 AM
>>
>>  *To:*AFMUG
>>
>>  *Subject:*[AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>>
>>  Streakwave nor CTI seem to have any source for them.  Does
>>  any secondary distributor have some?
>>
>>  Something wrong at the factory Chuck?
>>
>>  Josh Luthman
>>  24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>>  Direct: 937-552-2343
>>  1100 Wayne St
>>  Suite 1337
>>  Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>  
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Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

[Ken Hohhof]

True, there are people with guns everywhere.

 



 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jason Wilson
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 6:13 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

 

Apparently you have not tried to purchase a firearm or ammunition. 

 

First time gun owner has skyrocketed this year. 

 

On Fri, Oct 9, 2020, 16:04 Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> 
> wrote:

Most of the shortages seem to have abated.  Still hard to find toilet paper
if you don't want the MEGA rolls (because they don't fit on your holders).

The most persistent shortage seems to be canned fruit.  I'm thinking it's
actually the cans that are in short supply, not the fruit.  Although you'd
think all the fruit would be canned in late summer or fall and then
warehoused.

Supposedly white rice and dried beans are good basically forever, no matter
what the expiration date may say.


-Original Message-
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 4:10 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

2020 has been the preppers dream, bad enough for justification, not bad
enough for actual desperation...

On 10/09/2020 01:46 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:
> Many are.
> *From:* James Howard
> *Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 2:28 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
> 
> So basically preppers?
> 
> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > *On 
> Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com  
> *Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 2:53 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'   >
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
> 
> 12 month...
> 
> *From:*Ken Hohhof
> 
> *Sent:*Friday, October 9, 2020 1:14 PM
> 
> *To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> 
> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
> 
> Chuck probably figures we keep the standard LDS 3 month supply in our 
> pantry.
> 
> *From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > *On 
> Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 1:54 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group   >
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
> 
> I totally agree, the drop shipping thing drives me nuts.
> 
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:30 PM can...@believewireless.net 
>   
> mailto:p...@believewireless.net> > wrote:
> 
> If distributors won't stock your product, why keep them around? If
> you are drop shipping everything, then why not just
> 
> sell direct and get rid of distributors? What value are they adding
> to your business other than an easy way for customers
> 
> to order your product?
> 
> I'd order from you directly if it was the only way to get your
products.
> 
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:52 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> 
> > wrote:
> 
> Not entirely their fault, some of them do stock.  We did have a
> gap in production of a few weeks a while back but nothing a bit
> of safety stock would not cure.
> 
> I offer them all virtual warehouse space at zero cost.  They can
> stock it here and drop ship from here.  But still, cash must be
> too tight for them to do that.
> 
> *From:*Josh Luthman
> 
> *Sent:*Friday, October 9, 2020 11:30 AM
> 
> *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> 
> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
> 
> *sigh* daily struggle
> 
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
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> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:28 PM   > wrote:
> 
> Only thing wrong is distributors do not like to tie up cash
> in inventory.
> 
> *From:*Josh Luthman
> 
> *Sent:*Friday, October 9, 2020 11:23 AM
> 
> *To:*AFMUG
> 
> *Subject:*[AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
> 
> Streakwave nor CTI seem to have any source for them.  Does
> any secondary distributor have some?
> 
> Something wrong at the factory Chuck?
> 
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
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Re: [AFMUG] Backup Solutions

[Seth Mattinen]

On 10/9/20 13:04, Nate Burke wrote:
Hearing more and more about all the ransom-ware attacks, what is the 
best method these days to do pc/server backups.  Just backing up to a 
remote storage disk isn't enough anymore, since as long as it's 
connectable from the machine, it can get locked too.  I only have a 
couple Standalone ESXi servers, and a handful of physical machines. 
Probably <10tb max across everything.  One of the cloud providers like 
Backblaze would be the simplest, start the software and just let it 
run.  Is there a local NAS that would do something similar without 
breaking the bank, or taking hours to configure?  Just curios what the 
new 'best practice' backup policy is.



I still use LTO tapes as part of my air gap backup strategy.

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Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

[Bill Prince]

Stores around here seem to have tons of TP. I see pallets of it when I 
go into Home Depot. The San Carlos Costco has a wall full of it. Even 
the local grocery has what looks like normal shelves full of. So no 
worries there.


There also seems to be plenty of stock of canned fruit.

So maybe there is some regional-ness to it all.

Rice does go stale at least. We had poured some surplus rice into a jar 
that we closed up & then stuck it in  the back of the pantry where we 
forgot about it for at least a year (maybe two). When we opened it up 
recently, it was still "rice", but it smelled terrible.



bp


On 10/9/2020 4:03 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Most of the shortages seem to have abated.  Still hard to find toilet paper
if you don't want the MEGA rolls (because they don't fit on your holders).

The most persistent shortage seems to be canned fruit.  I'm thinking it's
actually the cans that are in short supply, not the fruit.  Although you'd
think all the fruit would be canned in late summer or fall and then
warehoused.

Supposedly white rice and dried beans are good basically forever, no matter
what the expiration date may say.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 4:10 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

2020 has been the preppers dream, bad enough for justification, not bad
enough for actual desperation...

On 10/09/2020 01:46 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Many are.
*From:* James Howard
*Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 2:28 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

So basically preppers?

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 2:53 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

12 month...

*From:*Ken Hohhof

*Sent:*Friday, October 9, 2020 1:14 PM

*To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

Chuck probably figures we keep the standard LDS 3 month supply in our
pantry.

*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
*Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 1:54 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

I totally agree, the drop shipping thing drives me nuts.

On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:30 PM can...@believewireless.net
 wrote:

 If distributors won't stock your product, why keep them around? If
 you are drop shipping everything, then why not just

 sell direct and get rid of distributors? What value are they adding
 to your business other than an easy way for customers

 to order your product?

 I'd order from you directly if it was the only way to get your

products.

 On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:52 PM  wrote:

 Not entirely their fault, some of them do stock.  We did have a
 gap in production of a few weeks a while back but nothing a bit
 of safety stock would not cure.

 I offer them all virtual warehouse space at zero cost.  They can
 stock it here and drop ship from here.  But still, cash must be
 too tight for them to do that.

 *From:*Josh Luthman

 *Sent:*Friday, October 9, 2020 11:30 AM

 *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

 *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

 *sigh* daily struggle

 Josh Luthman
 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:28 PM  wrote:

 Only thing wrong is distributors do not like to tie up cash
 in inventory.

 *From:*Josh Luthman

 *Sent:*Friday, October 9, 2020 11:23 AM

 *To:*AFMUG

 *Subject:*[AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

 Streakwave nor CTI seem to have any source for them.  Does
 any secondary distributor have some?

 Something wrong at the factory Chuck?

 Josh Luthman
 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
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Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

[chuck]

MEGA rolls, Making Excrement Great Again?
Now that is a hat I might wear.  

-Original Message- 
From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 5:03 PM 
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24 


Most of the shortages seem to have abated.  Still hard to find toilet paper
if you don't want the MEGA rolls (because they don't fit on your holders).

The most persistent shortage seems to be canned fruit.  I'm thinking it's
actually the cans that are in short supply, not the fruit.  Although you'd
think all the fruit would be canned in late summer or fall and then
warehoused.

Supposedly white rice and dried beans are good basically forever, no matter
what the expiration date may say.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 4:10 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

2020 has been the preppers dream, bad enough for justification, not bad
enough for actual desperation...

On 10/09/2020 01:46 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Many are.
*From:* James Howard
*Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 2:28 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

So basically preppers?

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 2:53 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

12 month...

*From:*Ken Hohhof

*Sent:*Friday, October 9, 2020 1:14 PM

*To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

Chuck probably figures we keep the standard LDS 3 month supply in our 
pantry.


*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
*Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 1:54 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

I totally agree, the drop shipping thing drives me nuts.

On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:30 PM can...@believewireless.net 
 wrote:


If distributors won't stock your product, why keep them around? If
you are drop shipping everything, then why not just

sell direct and get rid of distributors? What value are they adding
to your business other than an easy way for customers

to order your product?

I'd order from you directly if it was the only way to get your

products.


On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:52 PM  wrote:

Not entirely their fault, some of them do stock.  We did have a
gap in production of a few weeks a while back but nothing a bit
of safety stock would not cure.

I offer them all virtual warehouse space at zero cost.  They can
stock it here and drop ship from here.  But still, cash must be
too tight for them to do that.

*From:*Josh Luthman

*Sent:*Friday, October 9, 2020 11:30 AM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

*sigh* daily struggle

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:28 PM  wrote:

Only thing wrong is distributors do not like to tie up cash
in inventory.

*From:*Josh Luthman

*Sent:*Friday, October 9, 2020 11:23 AM

*To:*AFMUG

*Subject:*[AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

Streakwave nor CTI seem to have any source for them.  Does
any secondary distributor have some?

Something wrong at the factory Chuck?

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


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Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

[Jason Wilson]

Apparently you have not tried to purchase a firearm or ammunition.

First time gun owner has skyrocketed this year.

On Fri, Oct 9, 2020, 16:04 Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Most of the shortages seem to have abated.  Still hard to find toilet paper
> if you don't want the MEGA rolls (because they don't fit on your holders).
>
> The most persistent shortage seems to be canned fruit.  I'm thinking it's
> actually the cans that are in short supply, not the fruit.  Although you'd
> think all the fruit would be canned in late summer or fall and then
> warehoused.
>
> Supposedly white rice and dried beans are good basically forever, no matter
> what the expiration date may say.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
> Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 4:10 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>
> 2020 has been the preppers dream, bad enough for justification, not bad
> enough for actual desperation...
>
> On 10/09/2020 01:46 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> > Many are.
> > *From:* James Howard
> > *Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 2:28 PM
> > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
> >
> > So basically preppers?
> >
> > *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> > *Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 2:53 PM
> > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
> >
> > 12 month...
> >
> > *From:*Ken Hohhof
> >
> > *Sent:*Friday, October 9, 2020 1:14 PM
> >
> > *To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> >
> > *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
> >
> > Chuck probably figures we keep the standard LDS 3 month supply in our
> > pantry.
> >
> > *From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
> > *Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 1:54 PM
> > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
> >
> > I totally agree, the drop shipping thing drives me nuts.
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:30 PM can...@believewireless.net
> >  wrote:
> >
> > If distributors won't stock your product, why keep them around? If
> > you are drop shipping everything, then why not just
> >
> > sell direct and get rid of distributors? What value are they adding
> > to your business other than an easy way for customers
> >
> > to order your product?
> >
> > I'd order from you directly if it was the only way to get your
> products.
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:52 PM  wrote:
> >
> > Not entirely their fault, some of them do stock.  We did have a
> > gap in production of a few weeks a while back but nothing a bit
> > of safety stock would not cure.
> >
> > I offer them all virtual warehouse space at zero cost.  They can
> > stock it here and drop ship from here.  But still, cash must be
> > too tight for them to do that.
> >
> > *From:*Josh Luthman
> >
> > *Sent:*Friday, October 9, 2020 11:30 AM
> >
> > *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> >
> > *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
> >
> > *sigh* daily struggle
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:28 PM  wrote:
> >
> > Only thing wrong is distributors do not like to tie up cash
> > in inventory.
> >
> > *From:*Josh Luthman
> >
> > *Sent:*Friday, October 9, 2020 11:23 AM
> >
> > *To:*AFMUG
> >
> > *Subject:*[AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
> >
> > Streakwave nor CTI seem to have any source for them.  Does
> > any secondary distributor have some?
> >
> > Something wrong at the factory Chuck?
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
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Re: [AFMUG] Backup Solutions

[SmarterBroadband]

We use Veeam backing up to a Synology NAS.

I like the air gap idea using Tik ports... 

-Original Message-
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 1:05 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] Backup Solutions

Hearing more and more about all the ransom-ware attacks, what is the best
method these days to do pc/server backups.  Just backing up to a remote
storage disk isn't enough anymore, since as long as it's connectable from
the machine, it can get locked too.  I only have a couple Standalone ESXi
servers, and a handful of physical machines. 
Probably <10tb max across everything.  One of the cloud providers like
Backblaze would be the simplest, start the software and just let it run.  Is
there a local NAS that would do something similar without breaking the bank,
or taking hours to configure?  Just curios what the new 'best practice'
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Re: [AFMUG] Backup Solutions

[Steve Jones]

This got me thinking, we do forever incremental daily's with a full on
Sunday's through veeam to a nas. Those incrementals may be no good.
I like the idea of off lining a port, but sunday tends to be payload day,
so maybe an overnight tuesday would be better. Of course microsoft destroys
stuff on Tuesdays, so maybe not the best day either. Friday is bad cause
everybody does their bad habits and of workweek.  Maybe Thursday. But
that's the day malicious employees do stuff so they can watch the world
burn at work for a day before the weekend

On Fri, Oct 9, 2020, 4:06 PM Lewis Bergman  wrote:

> I have to methods.
> For the office my secretary carries a MTWTF usb disk with her in her
> purse. Every day she takes yesterday's and plugs in today.
>
> For the servers we use GCP. AWS probably has something similar the server
> access user only has permissions to write. You have to log in Manila via
> the gcp console to delete with different user permissions. It is so cheap
> we just let them Auto delete after 60 days. No idea if that is best
> practice or not. I like what others have said as well.
>
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2020, 3:46 PM  wrote:
>
>> Air gapped remote.  I know one company that physically unplugs a drive
>> and
>> sets it on the shelf every day rotating them with 6 others.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Nate Burke
>> Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 2:04 PM
>> To: Animal Farm
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Backup Solutions
>>
>> Hearing more and more about all the ransom-ware attacks, what is the
>> best method these days to do pc/server backups.  Just backing up to a
>> remote storage disk isn't enough anymore, since as long as it's
>> connectable from the machine, it can get locked too.  I only have a
>> couple Standalone ESXi servers, and a handful of physical machines.
>> Probably <10tb max across everything.  One of the cloud providers like
>> Backblaze would be the simplest, start the software and just let it
>> run.  Is there a local NAS that would do something similar without
>> breaking the bank, or taking hours to configure?  Just curios what the
>> new 'best practice' backup policy is.
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Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

[Ken Hohhof]

Most of the shortages seem to have abated.  Still hard to find toilet paper
if you don't want the MEGA rolls (because they don't fit on your holders).

The most persistent shortage seems to be canned fruit.  I'm thinking it's
actually the cans that are in short supply, not the fruit.  Although you'd
think all the fruit would be canned in late summer or fall and then
warehoused.

Supposedly white rice and dried beans are good basically forever, no matter
what the expiration date may say.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 4:10 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

2020 has been the preppers dream, bad enough for justification, not bad
enough for actual desperation...

On 10/09/2020 01:46 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> Many are.
> *From:* James Howard
> *Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 2:28 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
> 
> So basically preppers?
> 
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 2:53 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
> 
> 12 month...
> 
> *From:*Ken Hohhof
> 
> *Sent:*Friday, October 9, 2020 1:14 PM
> 
> *To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> 
> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
> 
> Chuck probably figures we keep the standard LDS 3 month supply in our 
> pantry.
> 
> *From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 1:54 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
> 
> I totally agree, the drop shipping thing drives me nuts.
> 
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:30 PM can...@believewireless.net 
>  wrote:
> 
> If distributors won't stock your product, why keep them around? If
> you are drop shipping everything, then why not just
> 
> sell direct and get rid of distributors? What value are they adding
> to your business other than an easy way for customers
> 
> to order your product?
> 
> I'd order from you directly if it was the only way to get your
products.
> 
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:52 PM  wrote:
> 
> Not entirely their fault, some of them do stock.  We did have a
> gap in production of a few weeks a while back but nothing a bit
> of safety stock would not cure.
> 
> I offer them all virtual warehouse space at zero cost.  They can
> stock it here and drop ship from here.  But still, cash must be
> too tight for them to do that.
> 
> *From:*Josh Luthman
> 
> *Sent:*Friday, October 9, 2020 11:30 AM
> 
> *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> 
> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
> 
> *sigh* daily struggle
> 
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:28 PM  wrote:
> 
> Only thing wrong is distributors do not like to tie up cash
> in inventory.
> 
> *From:*Josh Luthman
> 
> *Sent:*Friday, October 9, 2020 11:23 AM
> 
> *To:*AFMUG
> 
> *Subject:*[AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
> 
> Streakwave nor CTI seem to have any source for them.  Does
> any secondary distributor have some?
> 
> Something wrong at the factory Chuck?
> 
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

[Steve Jones]

the site that fed this site actually fell over, doesnt exist any more, it
is the site that brought our preferred upstream on network, so weve been
running only on our second upstream, which, of course we saturated when we
went into permanent failover, had to upgrade that circuit.. We had service
"restored" within a couple of days, but it was crummy performance on the
available path in 5ghz. We went from a single hop to 3 hops to this site.
We had to close on leases to start PCNs to verify equipment. Equipment
orders got rushed and there were some issues with hardware. We ran into
antenna shortages. Ran into a landlord getting nervous when he saw how big
3 foot antennas look. issues with contractors. Issues with staff
availability. Issues with electricians. just cluster after cluster. Had a
brand new 11ghz radio randomly die the other night. multiple short outages
putting equipment into the mix as it arrives.

I cancelled the guy, got my dad to come help me this weekend as much as we
can. Its too much risk during harvest. 2 guys with COPD should be able to
get a lot done in grain dust lol, really though, the old man will get this
all done with me.

If they did shop our lease and we have to colocate, we have a few years to
be off the site, we will recover any lost ground I hope. Most of these
customers have been given a month or two or three of free service for all
the interruptions and capacity issues.

this covid shit is getting ridiculous, but at least my preferred contractor
is immune now so wont need to worry about that



On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 9:27 AM Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> Or did the site actually fall over?
>
> On Oct 9, 2020, at 10:25 AM, Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
> 
> I am just kind of curious here if you lost the site why has it been such a
> disaster getting it back on line? You couldn’t just put new equipment up?
>
> On Oct 9, 2020, at 10:05 AM, David Milholen  wrote:
>
> 
>
> All I can say to that situation is damn..
>
> Find new people... sheesh
> On 10/9/2020 12:19 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> We lost a primary sight in July during the storms. This is a remote site
> feeding around 80 customers and has been a shitshow getting back online.
> They were patient for a bit. We've hit wall after wall, new lease delays,
> 5ghz interference, multiple licensed links, wrong equipment, new hardware
> failures, electricians running 220 to 110 circuits, contractors wife
> kidnapping a kid, if it could go wrong it did. The town has had meetings
> over this and we last promised to be production ready and problem free 2
> weeks ago. At this point they're shopping our lease probably. We have a
> multi year breakout on the lease and can fix it, but in the interim they'll
> probably colocate a competitor. Honestly, I cant blame them.
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 8, 2020, 11:54 PM Darin Steffl 
> wrote:
>
>> Can you clarify what you mean by "80 customer site loss"?
>>
>> Does this mean you'll miss out on potentially 80 new customers or you'll
>> lose 80 current customers if you don't do said work?
>>
>> If it's 80 new customers waiting for service, most will wait an extra 2
>> weeks if you explain COVID has taken out a guy. Some may go with a
>> competitor but if they suck, they'll be back to you eventually. We had
>> people wait up to 5 weeks for an install when we were backed up from the
>> COVID rush for service between March-August.
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 11:46 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> So, I have a probable covid positive contractor.
>>> I know the answer here, I'm just sounding it out.
>>> I'm behind as fuck with this guys work. I worked with him last weekend,
>>> I've been sick with harvest flu since a couple days before, his daughter
>>> tested positive the next day, his wife and other daughter the day after
>>> that and he got sick wednesday. Everybody is over symptoms (wife and
>>> daughter still have no taste or smell, but that lasts a long time)
>>> My harvest flu symptoms havent changed, not worried about me.
>>>
>>> Hes wanting to catch up behind work saturday. I'm usually very risk
>>> tolerant, and my house has been directly exposed a ton of times, so I know
>>> it's not as easily spread as they say.
>>> Its mid harvest, a farmer getting this shit right now could be
>>> devastating.
>>>
>>> Its gonna cost us alot if he doesnt get caught up, a substantial amount.
>>> Like 80 customer site loss substantial. We arent big, that's more than 5
>>> percent.
>>>
>>> My boss respects me after all these years, if I make a call, knowing the
>>> costs like this, he will back my call, but it burns all those years of
>>> trust.
>>>
>>> Theres like a .0001 percent chance he would spread it, zero direct
>>> interaction. But hes present at grain elevators mid harvest. Grain dust
>>> will drop anything airborne like a rock. It takes an exposure to a high
>>> viral count to even get symptomatic.
>>>
>>> Tell me I'm wrong to push his work out 

Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

[Robert Andrews]

2020 has been the preppers dream, bad enough for justification, not bad 
enough for actual desperation...


On 10/09/2020 01:46 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Many are.
*From:* James Howard
*Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 2:28 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

So basically preppers?

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 2:53 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

12 month...

*From:*Ken Hohhof

*Sent:*Friday, October 9, 2020 1:14 PM

*To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

Chuck probably figures we keep the standard LDS 3 month supply in our 
pantry.


*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
*Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 1:54 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

I totally agree, the drop shipping thing drives me nuts.

On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:30 PM can...@believewireless.net 
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If distributors won't stock your product, why keep them around? If
you are drop shipping everything, then why not just

sell direct and get rid of distributors? What value are they adding
to your business other than an easy way for customers

to order your product?

I'd order from you directly if it was the only way to get your products.

On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:52 PM  wrote:

Not entirely their fault, some of them do stock.  We did have a
gap in production of a few weeks a while back but nothing a bit
of safety stock would not cure.

I offer them all virtual warehouse space at zero cost.  They can
stock it here and drop ship from here.  But still, cash must be
too tight for them to do that.

*From:*Josh Luthman

*Sent:*Friday, October 9, 2020 11:30 AM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

*sigh* daily struggle

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:28 PM  wrote:

Only thing wrong is distributors do not like to tie up cash
in inventory.

*From:*Josh Luthman

*Sent:*Friday, October 9, 2020 11:23 AM

*To:*AFMUG

*Subject:*[AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

Streakwave nor CTI seem to have any source for them.  Does
any secondary distributor have some?

Something wrong at the factory Chuck?

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Re: [AFMUG] Backup Solutions

[Lewis Bergman]

I have to methods.
For the office my secretary carries a MTWTF usb disk with her in her purse.
Every day she takes yesterday's and plugs in today.

For the servers we use GCP. AWS probably has something similar the server
access user only has permissions to write. You have to log in Manila via
the gcp console to delete with different user permissions. It is so cheap
we just let them Auto delete after 60 days. No idea if that is best
practice or not. I like what others have said as well.

On Fri, Oct 9, 2020, 3:46 PM  wrote:

> Air gapped remote.  I know one company that physically unplugs a drive and
> sets it on the shelf every day rotating them with 6 others.
>
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 2:04 PM
> To: Animal Farm
> Subject: [AFMUG] Backup Solutions
>
> Hearing more and more about all the ransom-ware attacks, what is the
> best method these days to do pc/server backups.  Just backing up to a
> remote storage disk isn't enough anymore, since as long as it's
> connectable from the machine, it can get locked too.  I only have a
> couple Standalone ESXi servers, and a handful of physical machines.
> Probably <10tb max across everything.  One of the cloud providers like
> Backblaze would be the simplest, start the software and just let it
> run.  Is there a local NAS that would do something similar without
> breaking the bank, or taking hours to configure?  Just curios what the
> new 'best practice' backup policy is.
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Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

[Ken Hohhof]

Yes, after the zombie apocalypse, a year's supply of MTOWs will be useful
for fending off the zombies trying to get your Vienna sausages.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of James Howard
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 3:28 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

 

So basically preppers?

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On
Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com  
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 2:53 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

 

12 month...

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 1:14 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

 

Chuck probably figures we keep the standard LDS 3 month supply in our
pantry.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On
Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 1:54 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

 

I totally agree, the drop shipping thing drives me nuts.

 

On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:30 PM can...@believewireless.net
  mailto:p...@believewireless.net> > wrote:

If distributors won't stock your product, why keep them around? If you are
drop shipping everything, then why not just 

sell direct and get rid of distributors? What value are they adding to your
business other than an easy way for customers

to order your product?

 

I'd order from you directly if it was the only way to get your products.

 

On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:52 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> >
wrote:

Not entirely their fault, some of them do stock.  We did have a gap in
production of a few weeks a while back but nothing a bit of safety stock
would not cure.  

 

I offer them all virtual warehouse space at zero cost.  They can stock it
here and drop ship from here.  But still, cash must be too tight for them to
do that.  

 

From: Josh Luthman 

Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 11:30 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

 

*sigh* daily struggle


 

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

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Only thing wrong is distributors do not like to tie up cash in inventory.  

 

From: Josh Luthman 

Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 11:23 AM

To: AFMUG 

Subject: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

 

Streakwave nor CTI seem to have any source for them.  Does any secondary
distributor have some? 

 

Something wrong at the factory Chuck?


 

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Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

[chuck]

Many are.  

From: James Howard 
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 2:28 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

So basically preppers?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
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To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

 

12 month...

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 1:14 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

 

Chuck probably figures we keep the standard LDS 3 month supply in our pantry.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 1:54 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

 

I totally agree, the drop shipping thing drives me nuts.

 

On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:30 PM can...@believewireless.net 
 wrote:

  If distributors won't stock your product, why keep them around? If you are 
drop shipping everything, then why not just 

  sell direct and get rid of distributors? What value are they adding to your 
business other than an easy way for customers

  to order your product?

   

  I'd order from you directly if it was the only way to get your products.

   

  On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:52 PM  wrote:

Not entirely their fault, some of them do stock.  We did have a gap in 
production of a few weeks a while back but nothing a bit of safety stock would 
not cure.  

 

I offer them all virtual warehouse space at zero cost.  They can stock it 
here and drop ship from here.  But still, cash must be too tight for them to do 
that.  

 

From: Josh Luthman 

Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 11:30 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

 

*sigh* daily struggle


 

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:28 PM  wrote:

  Only thing wrong is distributors do not like to tie up cash in inventory. 
 

   

  From: Josh Luthman 

  Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 11:23 AM

  To: AFMUG 

  Subject: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

   

  Streakwave nor CTI seem to have any source for them.  Does any secondary 
distributor have some? 

   

  Something wrong at the factory Chuck?


   

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Re: [AFMUG] OT hiring

[chuck]

I wish, they ghost us.  

From: Nate Burke 
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 2:07 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT hiring

Have you ever talked to one later to get a feeling for what the mindset is?  
Just didn't feel like working?  


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Re: [AFMUG] Backup Solutions

[chuck]

Air gapped remote.  I know one company that physically unplugs a drive and 
sets it on the shelf every day rotating them with 6 others.


-Original Message- 
From: Nate Burke

Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 2:04 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] Backup Solutions

Hearing more and more about all the ransom-ware attacks, what is the
best method these days to do pc/server backups.  Just backing up to a
remote storage disk isn't enough anymore, since as long as it's
connectable from the machine, it can get locked too.  I only have a
couple Standalone ESXi servers, and a handful of physical machines.
Probably <10tb max across everything.  One of the cloud providers like
Backblaze would be the simplest, start the software and just let it
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breaking the bank, or taking hours to configure?  Just curios what the
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Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

[chuck]

Doesn’t do them much good if I don’t have stock.  I build to order, not to 
stock.  

From: Jason Wilson 
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 12:00 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

Doesn't the distribution chain know the term drop ship?

On Fri, Oct 9, 2020, 10:31 Josh Luthman  wrote:

  *sigh* daily struggle


  Josh Luthman
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  On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:28 PM  wrote:

Only thing wrong is distributors do not like to tie up cash in inventory.  

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 11:23 AM
To: AFMUG 
Subject: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

Streakwave nor CTI seem to have any source for them.  Does any secondary 
distributor have some? 

Something wrong at the factory Chuck?


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Re: [AFMUG] Backup Solutions

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Whole VM backups and file level rsync backups are a good start. Then moving a 
copy to S3 once a week helps. If things really get lost you at least have 
something offsite. 

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To: "af"  
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 4:04:42 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Backup Solutions 

Hearing more and more about all the ransom-ware attacks, what is the 
best method these days to do pc/server backups. Just backing up to a 
remote storage disk isn't enough anymore, since as long as it's 
connectable from the machine, it can get locked too. I only have a 
couple Standalone ESXi servers, and a handful of physical machines. 
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breaking the bank, or taking hours to configure? Just curios what the 
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Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

[James Howard]

So basically preppers?

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 2:53 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

12 month...

From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 1:14 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

Chuck probably figures we keep the standard LDS 3 month supply in our pantry.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Jason McKemie
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 1:54 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

I totally agree, the drop shipping thing drives me nuts.

On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:30 PM 
can...@believewireless.net 
mailto:p...@believewireless.net>> wrote:
If distributors won't stock your product, why keep them around? If you are drop 
shipping everything, then why not just
sell direct and get rid of distributors? What value are they adding to your 
business other than an easy way for customers
to order your product?

I'd order from you directly if it was the only way to get your products.

On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:52 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
Not entirely their fault, some of them do stock.  We did have a gap in 
production of a few weeks a while back but nothing a bit of safety stock would 
not cure.

I offer them all virtual warehouse space at zero cost.  They can stock it here 
and drop ship from here.  But still, cash must be too tight for them to do that.

From: Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 11:30 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

*sigh* daily struggle

Josh Luthman
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On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:28 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
Only thing wrong is distributors do not like to tie up cash in inventory.

From: Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 11:23 AM
To: AFMUG
Subject: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

Streakwave nor CTI seem to have any source for them.  Does any secondary 
distributor have some?

Something wrong at the factory Chuck?

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Re: [AFMUG] Backup Solutions

[Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]]

I built a "airgap" solution.

Our backups run Sunday morning at 1AM.
Sunday morning at 12:30AM, our mikrotik router enables the 10G port going to 
the backup hard-drive array.
Sunday night at 11:55PM, the mikrotik router disables the 10G port going to the 
backup hard-drive array.

This way, the backups are "offline" except for Sunday.  

My rationale is that we are most likely to click on a ransomware link/email 
during the week.  So long as we don't do it Sunday during the "backup period", 
things should be gravy.

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-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 3:05 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] Backup Solutions

Hearing more and more about all the ransom-ware attacks, what is the best 
method these days to do pc/server backups.  Just backing up to a remote storage 
disk isn't enough anymore, since as long as it's connectable from the machine, 
it can get locked too.  I only have a couple Standalone ESXi servers, and a 
handful of physical machines. 
Probably <10tb max across everything.  One of the cloud providers like 
Backblaze would be the simplest, start the software and just let it run.  Is 
there a local NAS that would do something similar without breaking the bank, or 
taking hours to configure?  Just curios what the new 'best practice' backup 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT hiring

[Colin Stanners]

For us in Canada, people could easily sit on their couches at home
collecting CERB, making over minimum wage. As such our hiring for junior
fiber crew - paying quite a bit more than minimum wage, but involving
digging holes etc - was not going well over the last few months.

On Fri, Oct 9, 2020, 3:01 PM  wrote:

> Hiring sucks these days.  Was OK a few months ago.  Now we are back to
> no-shows for interviews.  No show to the first day of work for new hires.
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[AFMUG] Backup Solutions

[Nate Burke]

Hearing more and more about all the ransom-ware attacks, what is the 
best method these days to do pc/server backups.  Just backing up to a 
remote storage disk isn't enough anymore, since as long as it's 
connectable from the machine, it can get locked too.  I only have a 
couple Standalone ESXi servers, and a handful of physical machines. 
Probably <10tb max across everything.  One of the cloud providers like 
Backblaze would be the simplest, start the software and just let it 
run.  Is there a local NAS that would do something similar without 
breaking the bank, or taking hours to configure?  Just curios what the 
new 'best practice' backup policy is.


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[AFMUG] OT hiring

[chuck]

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Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

[Jason Wilson]

Doesn't the distribution chain know the term drop ship?

On Fri, Oct 9, 2020, 10:31 Josh Luthman  wrote:

> *sigh* daily struggle
>
> Josh Luthman
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> On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:28 PM  wrote:
>
>> Only thing wrong is distributors do not like to tie up cash in
>> inventory.
>>
>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 11:23 AM
>> *To:* AFMUG
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>>
>> Streakwave nor CTI seem to have any source for them.  Does any secondary
>> distributor have some?
>>
>> Something wrong at the factory Chuck?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
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>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
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Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

[chuck]

12 month...

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 1:14 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

Chuck probably figures we keep the standard LDS 3 month supply in our pantry.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 1:54 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

 

I totally agree, the drop shipping thing drives me nuts.

 

On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:30 PM can...@believewireless.net 
 wrote:

  If distributors won't stock your product, why keep them around? If you are 
drop shipping everything, then why not just 

  sell direct and get rid of distributors? What value are they adding to your 
business other than an easy way for customers

  to order your product?

   

  I'd order from you directly if it was the only way to get your products.

   

  On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:52 PM  wrote:

Not entirely their fault, some of them do stock.  We did have a gap in 
production of a few weeks a while back but nothing a bit of safety stock would 
not cure.  

 

I offer them all virtual warehouse space at zero cost.  They can stock it 
here and drop ship from here.  But still, cash must be too tight for them to do 
that.  

 

From: Josh Luthman 

Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 11:30 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

 

*sigh* daily struggle


 

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:28 PM  wrote:

  Only thing wrong is distributors do not like to tie up cash in inventory. 
 

   

  From: Josh Luthman 

  Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 11:23 AM

  To: AFMUG 

  Subject: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

   

  Streakwave nor CTI seem to have any source for them.  Does any secondary 
distributor have some? 

   

  Something wrong at the factory Chuck?


   

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Retro Garbage

[chuck]

Use to be 8 track tapes littering the sides of the road.  Boy oh boy what a 
piece of technology.  I guess nobody ever explained that circumference = PI x 
diameter to the originator.  

From: dave 
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 1:11 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Retro Garbage

Yes, Technology changes everything 
Starlink is the new shiny answer to all broadband gaps LOL:)




On 10/9/20 1:57 PM, Nate Burke wrote:

  Saw an exploded VHS tape on the side of the road today, with the tape spooled 
through the weeds for 20 yards.  I can't remember when the wast time was I saw 
one of those.  I feel like back in the 90's you'd see that all the time.  
Between Audio tapes and VHS Tapes. 







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Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

[Ken Hohhof]

Chuck probably figures we keep the standard LDS 3 month supply in our pantry.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 1:54 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

 

I totally agree, the drop shipping thing drives me nuts.

 

On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:30 PM can...@believewireless.net 
  mailto:p...@believewireless.net> > wrote:

If distributors won't stock your product, why keep them around? If you are drop 
shipping everything, then why not just 

sell direct and get rid of distributors? What value are they adding to your 
business other than an easy way for customers

to order your product?

 

I'd order from you directly if it was the only way to get your products.

 

On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:52 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

Not entirely their fault, some of them do stock.  We did have a gap in 
production of a few weeks a while back but nothing a bit of safety stock would 
not cure.  

 

I offer them all virtual warehouse space at zero cost.  They can stock it here 
and drop ship from here.  But still, cash must be too tight for them to do 
that.  

 

From: Josh Luthman 

Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 11:30 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

 

*sigh* daily struggle


 

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:28 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

Only thing wrong is distributors do not like to tie up cash in inventory.  

 

From: Josh Luthman 

Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 11:23 AM

To: AFMUG 

Subject: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

 

Streakwave nor CTI seem to have any source for them.  Does any secondary 
distributor have some? 

 

Something wrong at the factory Chuck?


 

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Direct: 937-552-2343
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Retro Garbage

[dave]

Yes, Technology changes everything
Starlink is the new shiny answer to all broadband gaps LOL:)


On 10/9/20 1:57 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
Saw an exploded VHS tape on the side of the road today, with the tape 
spooled through the weeds for 20 yards.  I can't remember when the 
wast time was I saw one of those.  I feel like back in the 90's you'd 
see that all the time.  Between Audio tapes and VHS Tapes.




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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Retro Garbage

[Ken Hohhof]

Maybe it was a copy of Mysteries in History, from the Tapeworm Video Store.

Hint:  Pay more than $1.


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Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 1:57 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Retro Garbage

Saw an exploded VHS tape on the side of the road today, with the tape
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was I saw one of those.  I feel like back in the 90's you'd see that all the
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[AFMUG] OT: Retro Garbage

[Nate Burke]

Saw an exploded VHS tape on the side of the road today, with the tape 
spooled through the weeds for 20 yards.  I can't remember when the wast 
time was I saw one of those.  I feel like back in the 90's you'd see 
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Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

[Jason McKemie]

I totally agree, the drop shipping thing drives me nuts.

On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:30 PM can...@believewireless.net <
p...@believewireless.net> wrote:

> If distributors won't stock your product, why keep them around? If you are
> drop shipping everything, then why not just
> sell direct and get rid of distributors? What value are they adding to
> your business other than an easy way for customers
> to order your product?
>
> I'd order from you directly if it was the only way to get your products.
>
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:52 PM  wrote:
>
>> Not entirely their fault, some of them do stock.  We did have a gap in
>> production of a few weeks a while back but nothing a bit of safety stock
>> would not cure.
>>
>> I offer them all virtual warehouse space at zero cost.  They can stock it
>> here and drop ship from here.  But still, cash must be too tight for them
>> to do that.
>>
>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 11:30 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>>
>> *sigh* daily struggle
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:28 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> Only thing wrong is distributors do not like to tie up cash in
>>> inventory.
>>>
>>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>>> *Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 11:23 AM
>>> *To:* AFMUG
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>>>
>>> Streakwave nor CTI seem to have any source for them.  Does any secondary
>>> distributor have some?
>>>
>>> Something wrong at the factory Chuck?
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
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Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

[SmarterBroadband]

Yep, we ordered end of June and they have just shipped.

 

I would like to but direct.   Sick of waiting months for M-TOW stuff.

 

Adam

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 11:15 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

 

Well it's not just WBMFG it's every other product line I'm after.  At least you 
offer free assistance - that is very generous!  I don't want to hear anyone 
blame COVID19 because it was a problem in 2020, 2019, 2018, 2017, 2016, etc...


 

Josh Luthman
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On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:52 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

Not entirely their fault, some of them do stock.  We did have a gap in 
production of a few weeks a while back but nothing a bit of safety stock would 
not cure.  

 

I offer them all virtual warehouse space at zero cost.  They can stock it here 
and drop ship from here.  But still, cash must be too tight for them to do 
that.  

 

From: Josh Luthman 

Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 11:30 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

 

*sigh* daily struggle


 

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:28 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

Only thing wrong is distributors do not like to tie up cash in inventory.  

 

From: Josh Luthman 

Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 11:23 AM

To: AFMUG 

Subject: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

 

Streakwave nor CTI seem to have any source for them.  Does any secondary 
distributor have some? 

 

Something wrong at the factory Chuck?


 

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Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

[can...@believewireless.net]

If distributors won't stock your product, why keep them around? If you are
drop shipping everything, then why not just
sell direct and get rid of distributors? What value are they adding to your
business other than an easy way for customers
to order your product?

I'd order from you directly if it was the only way to get your products.

On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:52 PM  wrote:

> Not entirely their fault, some of them do stock.  We did have a gap in
> production of a few weeks a while back but nothing a bit of safety stock
> would not cure.
>
> I offer them all virtual warehouse space at zero cost.  They can stock it
> here and drop ship from here.  But still, cash must be too tight for them
> to do that.
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 11:30 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>
> *sigh* daily struggle
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:28 PM  wrote:
>
>> Only thing wrong is distributors do not like to tie up cash in
>> inventory.
>>
>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 11:23 AM
>> *To:* AFMUG
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>>
>> Streakwave nor CTI seem to have any source for them.  Does any secondary
>> distributor have some?
>>
>> Something wrong at the factory Chuck?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
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Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

[Josh Luthman]

Well it's not just WBMFG it's every other product line I'm after.  At least
you offer free assistance - that is very generous!  I don't want to hear
anyone blame COVID19 because it was a problem in 2020, 2019, 2018, 2017,
2016, etc...

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On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:52 PM  wrote:

> Not entirely their fault, some of them do stock.  We did have a gap in
> production of a few weeks a while back but nothing a bit of safety stock
> would not cure.
>
> I offer them all virtual warehouse space at zero cost.  They can stock it
> here and drop ship from here.  But still, cash must be too tight for them
> to do that.
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 11:30 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>
> *sigh* daily struggle
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:28 PM  wrote:
>
>> Only thing wrong is distributors do not like to tie up cash in
>> inventory.
>>
>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 11:23 AM
>> *To:* AFMUG
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>>
>> Streakwave nor CTI seem to have any source for them.  Does any secondary
>> distributor have some?
>>
>> Something wrong at the factory Chuck?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
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>> Suite 1337
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Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

[chuck]

Not entirely their fault, some of them do stock.  We did have a gap in 
production of a few weeks a while back but nothing a bit of safety stock would 
not cure.  

I offer them all virtual warehouse space at zero cost.  They can stock it here 
and drop ship from here.  But still, cash must be too tight for them to do 
that.  

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 11:30 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

*sigh* daily struggle


Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:28 PM  wrote:

  Only thing wrong is distributors do not like to tie up cash in inventory.  

  From: Josh Luthman 
  Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 11:23 AM
  To: AFMUG 
  Subject: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

  Streakwave nor CTI seem to have any source for them.  Does any secondary 
distributor have some? 

  Something wrong at the factory Chuck?


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Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

[Josh Luthman]

*sigh* daily struggle

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:28 PM  wrote:

> Only thing wrong is distributors do not like to tie up cash in inventory.
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 11:23 AM
> *To:* AFMUG
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>
> Streakwave nor CTI seem to have any source for them.  Does any secondary
> distributor have some?
>
> Something wrong at the factory Chuck?
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
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Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

[chuck]

Only thing wrong is distributors do not like to tie up cash in inventory.  

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 11:23 AM
To: AFMUG 
Subject: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

Streakwave nor CTI seem to have any source for them.  Does any secondary 
distributor have some? 

Something wrong at the factory Chuck?


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Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

[chuck]

String of balloons.  That would be interesting to see.  Could do it with kites. 
 

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 11:11 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

I "could" launch a satellite with a steam cannon.  It "could" deploy a big foil 
dish that fans out after it's in orbit and that "could" connect to a WRT-54G 
running Open-WRT in WDS repeater mode.  Bam! WiFi in the whole beamwidth of my 
dish.  


I "could" use that to repeat the WiFi from my cellphone hotspot and share it 
with all 80 people.


These are completely workable plans.  Nothing physically stops this stuff from 
happening.  We "could" do them.  


Actually with your balloon idea, why not tether a string of balloons to each 
other with figure-8 cable? FTTH by balloon.  That "could" be done too. Only the 
first balloon in the string needs an anchor, the rest are anchored to each 
other.  So simple, I wonder why Google didn't think of it.



On 10/9/2020 1:01 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  Just build a fence around it in the crash zone.  Put a large UPS on it so it 
has enough power to land during a power outage.  

  From: Adam Moffett 
  Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 10:46 AM
  To: af@af.afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

  The word "could" is possibly the most dangerous one in the English language.  
There's an infinite supply of insane stuff a person "could" do.


  On 10/9/2020 11:40 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I’ll bet you could build a triangle out of magnesium.  Maybe with 8’ legs 
with ring at the end.  Hoist it with a large balloon.  Use the three rings for 
guy wires.  Run a small tube down a guy to replenish the helium.  Run power and 
Ethernet down another leg for the APs.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 9:29 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

Steve mentioned licensed links.  I don’t know if that’s “building back 
better” or if they had licensed links previously.


But you’re not going to put licensed links on a flying COW.  Even temporary 
unlicensed links may need to go on a permanent structure.  The days when we’d 
feed a small site with an SM are over, and apparently this site has 80 subs.


As an indication how things have changed, when we got started in wireless, 
we gave every customer a backup dialup account.  Of course that would be 
useless today, and we got out of dialup entirely in 2009.  Even then, customers 
would drive into town to use free WiFi rather than use dialup.  They could 
maybe get 80 mobile hotspots and give them out to customers, I think on a 
business account they might be genuinely unlimited.  If they use Mikrotik CPE 
routers, there are several models with LTE built in, or get some Cradlepoints.  
I like the mobile hotspots better because they could be repurposed more easily. 
 Once upon a time I would have said WiFi only with no Ethernet is a big 
problem, but most customers these days are 100% WiFi anyway.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 10:14 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again


How high do you need to be for a 3 mile cell?

I wonder about a tethered drone.  Powered from the ground.  Or perhaps a 
balloon.  Not for this instant case but for the future.  COWs that fly.  New 
company “Over the Moon”.  


From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 8:48 AM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again


I think Steve said it was a grain elevator or leg that got destroyed in a 
derecho wind storm.  I seem to remember he posted some photos.  I’m not sure if 
they are deploying on a concrete silo at the same site or a different site.


We used to avoid grain legs and pay the rent to be on commercial towers, 
but everything is forcing all of us to shrink our cells from 7-10 miles once 
upon a time to more like 3 miles today, so you really can’t avoid using 
whatever structures are available unless you want to build a lot of towers.  
That said, we are on a 400 ft commercial tower with 5 licensed links and 10 
sectors.  If that sucker blew over, I don’t know what we’d do, there are no 
nearby tall structures, and we couldn’t bring in a 300 ft COW and put all that 
stuff on it.  Luckily the tower was reinforced to Rev. G and is unlikely to 
blow over, but stuff happens, I remember one tower fell down when a vehicle 
went off the road and snapped some guy wires.  And there was an old AT Long 
Lines tower in our area that blew over in a wind storm.



From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 9:26 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again


Or did the site actually fall over?


  On Oct 9, 2020, at 10:25 AM, Matt Hoppes 
 wrote:

  

  I 

Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

[Ken Hohhof]

With enough drugs you could THINK you were running a marathon, while in
reality you're still in a coma on a ventilator.  Just like in the Matrix
movies.  Except instead of dodging bullets in slowmo, we'd be having Zoom
meetings.

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 12:04 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

A 53 year old classmate has been in the hospital for over a month. The
status updates from this week were that he was off of the vent and able to
sit in a chair for 10 minutes.

Jaime Solorza wrote:
> We lost a relative's husband to it yesterday...31 years old...
> Stay safe... don't listen to idiots, it kills.
>
> On Thu, Oct 8, 2020, 10:46 PM Steve Jones  > wrote:
>
> So, I have a probable covid positive contractor.
> I know the answer here, I'm just sounding it out.
> I'm behind as fuck with this guys work. I worked with him last
> weekend, I've been sick with harvest flu since a couple days
> before, his daughter tested positive the next day, his wife and
> other daughter the day after that and he got sick wednesday.
> Everybody is over symptoms (wife and daughter still have no taste
> or smell, but that lasts a long time)
> My harvest flu symptoms havent changed, not worried about me.
>
> Hes wanting to catch up behind work saturday. I'm usually very
> risk tolerant, and my house has been directly exposed a ton of
> times, so I know it's not as easily spread as they say.
> Its mid harvest, a farmer getting this shit right now could be
> devastating.
>
> Its gonna cost us alot if he doesnt get caught up, a substantial
> amount. Like 80 customer site loss substantial. We arent big,
> that's more than 5 percent.
>
> My boss respects me after all these years, if I make a call,
> knowing the costs like this, he will back my call, but it burns
> all those years of trust.
>
> Theres like a .0001 percent chance he would spread it, zero direct
> interaction. But hes present at grain elevators mid harvest. Grain
> dust will drop anything airborne like a rock. It takes an exposure
> to a high viral count to even get symptomatic.
>
> Tell me I'm wrong to push his work out another week or 2
>
>
>
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[AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

[Josh Luthman]

Streakwave nor CTI seem to have any source for them.  Does any secondary
distributor have some?

Something wrong at the factory Chuck?

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Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

[Adam Moffett]

I "could" launch a satellite with a steam cannon.  It "could" deploy a 
big foil dish that fans out after it's in orbit and that "could" connect 
to a WRT-54G running Open-WRT in WDS repeater mode.  Bam! WiFi in the 
whole beamwidth of my dish.


I "could" use that to repeat the WiFi from my cellphone hotspot and 
share it with all 80 people.


These are completely workable plans.  Nothing physically stops this 
stuff from happening.  We "could" do them.


Actually with your balloon idea, why not tether a string of balloons to 
each other with figure-8 cable? FTTH by balloon.  That "could" be done 
too. Only the first balloon in the string needs an anchor, the rest are 
anchored to each other.  So simple, I wonder why Google didn't think of it.



On 10/9/2020 1:01 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Just build a fence around it in the crash zone.  Put a large UPS on it 
so it has enough power to land during a power outage.

*From:* Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 10:46 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

The word "could" is possibly the most dangerous one in the English 
language.  There's an infinite supply of insane stuff a person "could" do.


On 10/9/2020 11:40 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I’ll bet you could build a triangle out of magnesium.  Maybe with 8’ 
legs with ring at the end.  Hoist it with a large balloon.  Use the 
three rings for guy wires.  Run a small tube down a guy to replenish 
the helium.  Run power and Ethernet down another leg for the APs.

*From:* Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 9:29 AM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

Steve mentioned licensed links.  I don’t know if that’s “building 
back better” or if they had licensed links previously.


But you’re not going to put licensed links on a flying COW.  Even 
temporary unlicensed links may need to go on a permanent structure.  
The days when we’d feed a small site with an SM are over, and 
apparently this site has 80 subs.


As an indication how things have changed, when we got started in 
wireless, we gave every customer a backup dialup account. Of course 
that would be useless today, and we got out of dialup entirely in 
2009.  Even then, customers would drive into town to use free WiFi 
rather than use dialup.  They could maybe get 80 mobile hotspots and 
give them out to customers, I think on a business account they might 
be genuinely unlimited.  If they use Mikrotik CPE routers, there are 
several models with LTE built in, or get some Cradlepoints.  I like 
the mobile hotspots better because they could be repurposed more 
easily.  Once upon a time I would have said WiFi only with no 
Ethernet is a big problem, but most customers these days are 100% 
WiFi anyway.


*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 10:14 AM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

How high do you need to be for a 3 mile cell?

I wonder about a tethered drone.  Powered from the ground.  Or 
perhaps a balloon.  Not for this instant case but for the future. 
COWs that fly.  New company “Over the Moon”.


*From:*Ken Hohhof

*Sent:*Friday, October 9, 2020 8:48 AM

*To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

I think Steve said it was a grain elevator or leg that got destroyed 
in a derecho wind storm.  I seem to remember he posted some photos.  
I’m not sure if they are deploying on a concrete silo at the same 
site or a different site.


We used to avoid grain legs and pay the rent to be on commercial 
towers, but everything is forcing all of us to shrink our cells from 
7-10 miles once upon a time to more like 3 miles today, so you really 
can’t avoid using whatever structures are available unless you want 
to build a lot of towers.  That said, we are on a 400 ft commercial 
tower with 5 licensed links and 10 sectors.  If that sucker blew 
over, I don’t know what we’d do, there are no nearby tall structures, 
and we couldn’t bring in a 300 ft COW and put all that stuff on it.  
Luckily the tower was reinforced to Rev. G and is unlikely to blow 
over, but stuff happens, I remember one tower fell down when a 
vehicle went off the road and snapped some guy wires.  And there was 
an old AT Long Lines tower in our area that blew over in a wind storm.


*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes
*Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 9:26 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

Or did the site actually fall over?

On Oct 9, 2020, at 10:25 AM, Matt Hoppes
 wrote:



I am just kind of curious here if you lost the site why has it
been such a disaster getting it back on line? You couldn’t just
put new equipment up?

On Oct 9, 2020, at 10:05 AM, David Milholen
 wrote:



All I can say to that situation is damn..

Find 

Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

[Jay Weekley]

A 53 year old classmate has been in the hospital for over a month. The 
status updates from this week were that he was off of the vent and able 
to sit in a chair for 10 minutes.


Jaime Solorza wrote:

We lost a relative's husband to it yesterday...31 years old...
Stay safe... don't listen to idiots, it kills.

On Thu, Oct 8, 2020, 10:46 PM Steve Jones > wrote:


So, I have a probable covid positive contractor.
I know the answer here, I'm just sounding it out.
I'm behind as fuck with this guys work. I worked with him last
weekend, I've been sick with harvest flu since a couple days
before, his daughter tested positive the next day, his wife and
other daughter the day after that and he got sick wednesday.
Everybody is over symptoms (wife and daughter still have no taste
or smell, but that lasts a long time)
My harvest flu symptoms havent changed, not worried about me.

Hes wanting to catch up behind work saturday. I'm usually very
risk tolerant, and my house has been directly exposed a ton of
times, so I know it's not as easily spread as they say.
Its mid harvest, a farmer getting this shit right now could be
devastating.

Its gonna cost us alot if he doesnt get caught up, a substantial
amount. Like 80 customer site loss substantial. We arent big,
that's more than 5 percent.

My boss respects me after all these years, if I make a call,
knowing the costs like this, he will back my call, but it burns
all those years of trust.

Theres like a .0001 percent chance he would spread it, zero direct
interaction. But hes present at grain elevators mid harvest. Grain
dust will drop anything airborne like a rock. It takes an exposure
to a high viral count to even get symptomatic.

Tell me I'm wrong to push his work out another week or 2




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Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

[chuck]

Just build a fence around it in the crash zone.  Put a large UPS on it so it 
has enough power to land during a power outage.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 10:46 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

The word "could" is possibly the most dangerous one in the English language.  
There's an infinite supply of insane stuff a person "could" do.


On 10/9/2020 11:40 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  I’ll bet you could build a triangle out of magnesium.  Maybe with 8’ legs 
with ring at the end.  Hoist it with a large balloon.  Use the three rings for 
guy wires.  Run a small tube down a guy to replenish the helium.  Run power and 
Ethernet down another leg for the APs.  

  From: Ken Hohhof 
  Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 9:29 AM
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

  Steve mentioned licensed links.  I don’t know if that’s “building back 
better” or if they had licensed links previously.


  But you’re not going to put licensed links on a flying COW.  Even temporary 
unlicensed links may need to go on a permanent structure.  The days when we’d 
feed a small site with an SM are over, and apparently this site has 80 subs.


  As an indication how things have changed, when we got started in wireless, we 
gave every customer a backup dialup account.  Of course that would be useless 
today, and we got out of dialup entirely in 2009.  Even then, customers would 
drive into town to use free WiFi rather than use dialup.  They could maybe get 
80 mobile hotspots and give them out to customers, I think on a business 
account they might be genuinely unlimited.  If they use Mikrotik CPE routers, 
there are several models with LTE built in, or get some Cradlepoints.  I like 
the mobile hotspots better because they could be repurposed more easily.  Once 
upon a time I would have said WiFi only with no Ethernet is a big problem, but 
most customers these days are 100% WiFi anyway.


  From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
  Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 10:14 AM
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again


  How high do you need to be for a 3 mile cell?

  I wonder about a tethered drone.  Powered from the ground.  Or perhaps a 
balloon.  Not for this instant case but for the future.  COWs that fly.  New 
company “Over the Moon”.  


  From: Ken Hohhof 

  Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 8:48 AM

  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again


  I think Steve said it was a grain elevator or leg that got destroyed in a 
derecho wind storm.  I seem to remember he posted some photos.  I’m not sure if 
they are deploying on a concrete silo at the same site or a different site.


  We used to avoid grain legs and pay the rent to be on commercial towers, but 
everything is forcing all of us to shrink our cells from 7-10 miles once upon a 
time to more like 3 miles today, so you really can’t avoid using whatever 
structures are available unless you want to build a lot of towers.  That said, 
we are on a 400 ft commercial tower with 5 licensed links and 10 sectors.  If 
that sucker blew over, I don’t know what we’d do, there are no nearby tall 
structures, and we couldn’t bring in a 300 ft COW and put all that stuff on it. 
 Luckily the tower was reinforced to Rev. G and is unlikely to blow over, but 
stuff happens, I remember one tower fell down when a vehicle went off the road 
and snapped some guy wires.  And there was an old AT Long Lines tower in our 
area that blew over in a wind storm.



  From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
  Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 9:26 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again


  Or did the site actually fall over?


On Oct 9, 2020, at 10:25 AM, Matt Hoppes 
 wrote:



I am just kind of curious here if you lost the site why has it been such a 
disaster getting it back on line? You couldn’t just put new equipment up?


  On Oct 9, 2020, at 10:05 AM, David Milholen  wrote:

   

  All I can say to that situation is damn.. 

  Find new people... sheesh

  On 10/9/2020 12:19 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

We lost a primary sight in July during the storms. This is a remote 
site feeding around 80 customers and has been a shitshow getting back online. 
They were patient for a bit. We've hit wall after wall, new lease delays, 5ghz 
interference, multiple licensed links, wrong equipment, new hardware failures, 
electricians running 220 to 110 circuits, contractors wife kidnapping a kid, if 
it could go wrong it did. The town has had meetings over this and we last 
promised to be production ready and problem free 2 weeks ago. At this point 
they're shopping our lease probably. We have a multi year breakout on the lease 
and can fix it, but in the interim they'll probably colocate a competitor. 
Honestly, I cant blame 

Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

[Adam Moffett]

The word "could" is possibly the most dangerous one in the English 
language.  There's an infinite supply of insane stuff a person "could" do.


On 10/9/2020 11:40 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I’ll bet you could build a triangle out of magnesium. Maybe with 8’ 
legs with ring at the end.  Hoist it with a large balloon.  Use the 
three rings for guy wires.  Run a small tube down a guy to replenish 
the helium.  Run power and Ethernet down another leg for the APs.

*From:* Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 9:29 AM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

Steve mentioned licensed links.  I don’t know if that’s “building back 
better” or if they had licensed links previously.


But you’re not going to put licensed links on a flying COW.  Even 
temporary unlicensed links may need to go on a permanent structure.  
The days when we’d feed a small site with an SM are over, and 
apparently this site has 80 subs.


As an indication how things have changed, when we got started in 
wireless, we gave every customer a backup dialup account.  Of course 
that would be useless today, and we got out of dialup entirely in 
2009.  Even then, customers would drive into town to use free WiFi 
rather than use dialup.  They could maybe get 80 mobile hotspots and 
give them out to customers, I think on a business account they might 
be genuinely unlimited.  If they use Mikrotik CPE routers, there are 
several models with LTE built in, or get some Cradlepoints.  I like 
the mobile hotspots better because they could be repurposed more 
easily.  Once upon a time I would have said WiFi only with no Ethernet 
is a big problem, but most customers these days are 100% WiFi anyway.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 10:14 AM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

How high do you need to be for a 3 mile cell?

I wonder about a tethered drone. Powered from the ground.  Or perhaps 
a balloon. Not for this instant case but for the future. COWs that 
fly.  New company “Over the Moon”.


*From:*Ken Hohhof

*Sent:*Friday, October 9, 2020 8:48 AM

*To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

I think Steve said it was a grain elevator or leg that got destroyed 
in a derecho wind storm.  I seem to remember he posted some photos.  
I’m not sure if they are deploying on a concrete silo at the same site 
or a different site.


We used to avoid grain legs and pay the rent to be on commercial 
towers, but everything is forcing all of us to shrink our cells from 
7-10 miles once upon a time to more like 3 miles today, so you really 
can’t avoid using whatever structures are available unless you want to 
build a lot of towers.  That said, we are on a 400 ft commercial tower 
with 5 licensed links and 10 sectors.  If that sucker blew over, I 
don’t know what we’d do, there are no nearby tall structures, and we 
couldn’t bring in a 300 ft COW and put all that stuff on it.  Luckily 
the tower was reinforced to Rev. G and is unlikely to blow over, but 
stuff happens, I remember one tower fell down when a vehicle went off 
the road and snapped some guy wires.  And there was an old AT Long 
Lines tower in our area that blew over in a wind storm.


*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes
*Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 9:26 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

Or did the site actually fall over?

On Oct 9, 2020, at 10:25 AM, Matt Hoppes
 wrote:



I am just kind of curious here if you lost the site why has it
been such a disaster getting it back on line? You couldn’t just
put new equipment up?

On Oct 9, 2020, at 10:05 AM, David Milholen
 wrote:



All I can say to that situation is damn..

Find new people... sheesh

On 10/9/2020 12:19 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

We lost a primary sight in July during the storms. This is
a remote site feeding around 80 customers and has been a
shitshow getting back online. They were patient for a bit.
We've hit wall after wall, new lease delays, 5ghz
interference, multiple licensed links, wrong equipment,
new hardware failures, electricians running 220 to 110
circuits, contractors wife kidnapping a kid, if it could
go wrong it did. The town has had meetings over this and
we last promised to be production ready and problem free 2
weeks ago. At this point they're shopping our lease
probably. We have a multi year breakout on the lease and
can fix it, but in the interim they'll probably colocate a
competitor. Honestly, I cant blame them.

On Thu, Oct 8, 2020, 11:54 PM Darin Steffl
 wrote:

Can you clarify what you mean by "80 customer site loss"?

  

Re: [AFMUG] GNB Absolyte GX telecom batteries

[Lewis Bergman]

Dismantled an old MCI site with batts like those. Very good. We used them
for maybe 8 years after that and they always tested good.

On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 10:16 AM  wrote:

> I have use lots of them over the years.  They are good for 20 years in an
> environmentally controlled shelter.
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 9:13 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] GNB Absolyte GX telecom batteries
>
>
> Some website showed me an ad for these, I had never heard of them before.
> Wow, those are some big ass batteries.  But 600 to 2000 lbs per 4V battery,
> I think they’re a little more than we could handle.
>
>
>
> Has anybody used these or even looked into them further?  The specs look
> good.
>
>
>
>
> https://alpinepowersystems.com/telecom-products/telecom-batteries/gnb-absolyte-gx/
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Green Terminal Block Tap

[Mark - Myakka Technologies]

Adam,

We  are  using  the pre-made cables.  I don't have one in front of me.
 I know the have screws on them, but not sure if there are any exposed
wires.


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Friday, October 9, 2020, 11:37:13 AM, you wrote:

AM> Maybe you have a different model than we use or some such, but our guys
AM> just double tap it.

AM> Put two wires into the same hole on the block and tighten it down.  
AM> Boom. Done.  It's under a little cover so nobody will see your sin.

AM> On 10/9/2020 10:58 AM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote:
>> We use Cyberpower BBU for our Fiber ONT's.  It uses a custom plug that
>> has  the green terminal plugs on either end.  I have a situation where
>> I  need to add a small mikrotik router to the system.  I would like to
>> tap  the 12vdc from the BBU to power the mikrotik.  I can do a DIY tap
>> using  a  male and female screw connector.  But was wondering is there
>> was  a  more professional option out there.  Did a few google searches
>> with no good results.
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Thanks,
>>   Mark  mailto:m...@mailmt.com
>>
>> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
>> www.Myakka.com
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

[chuck]

I’ll bet you could build a triangle out of magnesium.  Maybe with 8’ legs with 
ring at the end.  Hoist it with a large balloon.  Use the three rings for guy 
wires.  Run a small tube down a guy to replenish the helium.  Run power and 
Ethernet down another leg for the APs.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 9:29 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

Steve mentioned licensed links.  I don’t know if that’s “building back better” 
or if they had licensed links previously.

 

But you’re not going to put licensed links on a flying COW.  Even temporary 
unlicensed links may need to go on a permanent structure.  The days when we’d 
feed a small site with an SM are over, and apparently this site has 80 subs.

 

As an indication how things have changed, when we got started in wireless, we 
gave every customer a backup dialup account.  Of course that would be useless 
today, and we got out of dialup entirely in 2009.  Even then, customers would 
drive into town to use free WiFi rather than use dialup.  They could maybe get 
80 mobile hotspots and give them out to customers, I think on a business 
account they might be genuinely unlimited.  If they use Mikrotik CPE routers, 
there are several models with LTE built in, or get some Cradlepoints.  I like 
the mobile hotspots better because they could be repurposed more easily.  Once 
upon a time I would have said WiFi only with no Ethernet is a big problem, but 
most customers these days are 100% WiFi anyway.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 10:14 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

 

How high do you need to be for a 3 mile cell?

I wonder about a tethered drone.  Powered from the ground.  Or perhaps a 
balloon.  Not for this instant case but for the future.  COWs that fly.  New 
company “Over the Moon”.  

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 8:48 AM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

 

I think Steve said it was a grain elevator or leg that got destroyed in a 
derecho wind storm.  I seem to remember he posted some photos.  I’m not sure if 
they are deploying on a concrete silo at the same site or a different site.

 

We used to avoid grain legs and pay the rent to be on commercial towers, but 
everything is forcing all of us to shrink our cells from 7-10 miles once upon a 
time to more like 3 miles today, so you really can’t avoid using whatever 
structures are available unless you want to build a lot of towers.  That said, 
we are on a 400 ft commercial tower with 5 licensed links and 10 sectors.  If 
that sucker blew over, I don’t know what we’d do, there are no nearby tall 
structures, and we couldn’t bring in a 300 ft COW and put all that stuff on it. 
 Luckily the tower was reinforced to Rev. G and is unlikely to blow over, but 
stuff happens, I remember one tower fell down when a vehicle went off the road 
and snapped some guy wires.  And there was an old AT Long Lines tower in our 
area that blew over in a wind storm.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 9:26 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

 

Or did the site actually fall over?

 

  On Oct 9, 2020, at 10:25 AM, Matt Hoppes  
wrote:

  

  I am just kind of curious here if you lost the site why has it been such a 
disaster getting it back on line? You couldn’t just put new equipment up?

   

On Oct 9, 2020, at 10:05 AM, David Milholen  wrote:

 

All I can say to that situation is damn.. 

Find new people... sheesh

On 10/9/2020 12:19 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

  We lost a primary sight in July during the storms. This is a remote site 
feeding around 80 customers and has been a shitshow getting back online. They 
were patient for a bit. We've hit wall after wall, new lease delays, 5ghz 
interference, multiple licensed links, wrong equipment, new hardware failures, 
electricians running 220 to 110 circuits, contractors wife kidnapping a kid, if 
it could go wrong it did. The town has had meetings over this and we last 
promised to be production ready and problem free 2 weeks ago. At this point 
they're shopping our lease probably. We have a multi year breakout on the lease 
and can fix it, but in the interim they'll probably colocate a competitor. 
Honestly, I cant blame them. 

   

   

  On Thu, Oct 8, 2020, 11:54 PM Darin Steffl  
wrote:

Can you clarify what you mean by "80 customer site loss"? 

 

Does this mean you'll miss out on potentially 80 new customers or 
you'll lose 80 current customers if you don't do said work?

 

If it's 80 new customers waiting for service, most will wait an extra 2 
weeks if you explain COVID has taken out a guy. Some may go with a competitor 
but if they suck, they'll be back to you eventually. We had 

Re: [AFMUG] Green Terminal Block Tap

[Adam Moffett]

Maybe you have a different model than we use or some such, but our guys 
just double tap it.


Put two wires into the same hole on the block and tighten it down.  
Boom. Done.  It's under a little cover so nobody will see your sin.


On 10/9/2020 10:58 AM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote:

We use Cyberpower BBU for our Fiber ONT's.  It uses a custom plug that
has  the green terminal plugs on either end.  I have a situation where
I  need to add a small mikrotik router to the system.  I would like to
tap  the 12vdc from the BBU to power the mikrotik.  I can do a DIY tap
using  a  male and female screw connector.  But was wondering is there
was  a  more professional option out there.  Did a few google searches
with no good results.


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Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

[Ken Hohhof]

Steve mentioned licensed links.  I don’t know if that’s “building back better” 
or if they had licensed links previously.

 

But you’re not going to put licensed links on a flying COW.  Even temporary 
unlicensed links may need to go on a permanent structure.  The days when we’d 
feed a small site with an SM are over, and apparently this site has 80 subs.

 

As an indication how things have changed, when we got started in wireless, we 
gave every customer a backup dialup account.  Of course that would be useless 
today, and we got out of dialup entirely in 2009.  Even then, customers would 
drive into town to use free WiFi rather than use dialup.  They could maybe get 
80 mobile hotspots and give them out to customers, I think on a business 
account they might be genuinely unlimited.  If they use Mikrotik CPE routers, 
there are several models with LTE built in, or get some Cradlepoints.  I like 
the mobile hotspots better because they could be repurposed more easily.  Once 
upon a time I would have said WiFi only with no Ethernet is a big problem, but 
most customers these days are 100% WiFi anyway.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 10:14 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

 

How high do you need to be for a 3 mile cell?

I wonder about a tethered drone.  Powered from the ground.  Or perhaps a 
balloon.  Not for this instant case but for the future.  COWs that fly.  New 
company “Over the Moon”.  

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 8:48 AM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

 

I think Steve said it was a grain elevator or leg that got destroyed in a 
derecho wind storm.  I seem to remember he posted some photos.  I’m not sure if 
they are deploying on a concrete silo at the same site or a different site.

 

We used to avoid grain legs and pay the rent to be on commercial towers, but 
everything is forcing all of us to shrink our cells from 7-10 miles once upon a 
time to more like 3 miles today, so you really can’t avoid using whatever 
structures are available unless you want to build a lot of towers.  That said, 
we are on a 400 ft commercial tower with 5 licensed links and 10 sectors.  If 
that sucker blew over, I don’t know what we’d do, there are no nearby tall 
structures, and we couldn’t bring in a 300 ft COW and put all that stuff on it. 
 Luckily the tower was reinforced to Rev. G and is unlikely to blow over, but 
stuff happens, I remember one tower fell down when a vehicle went off the road 
and snapped some guy wires.  And there was an old AT Long Lines tower in our 
area that blew over in a wind storm.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 9:26 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

 

Or did the site actually fall over?

 

On Oct 9, 2020, at 10:25 AM, Matt Hoppes mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> > wrote:



I am just kind of curious here if you lost the site why has it been such a 
disaster getting it back on line? You couldn’t just put new equipment up?

 

On Oct 9, 2020, at 10:05 AM, David Milholen mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com> > wrote:

 

All I can say to that situation is damn.. 

Find new people... sheesh

On 10/9/2020 12:19 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

We lost a primary sight in July during the storms. This is a remote site 
feeding around 80 customers and has been a shitshow getting back online. They 
were patient for a bit. We've hit wall after wall, new lease delays, 5ghz 
interference, multiple licensed links, wrong equipment, new hardware failures, 
electricians running 220 to 110 circuits, contractors wife kidnapping a kid, if 
it could go wrong it did. The town has had meetings over this and we last 
promised to be production ready and problem free 2 weeks ago. At this point 
they're shopping our lease probably. We have a multi year breakout on the lease 
and can fix it, but in the interim they'll probably colocate a competitor. 
Honestly, I cant blame them. 

 

 

On Thu, Oct 8, 2020, 11:54 PM Darin Steffl mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> > wrote:

Can you clarify what you mean by "80 customer site loss"? 

 

Does this mean you'll miss out on potentially 80 new customers or you'll lose 
80 current customers if you don't do said work?

 

If it's 80 new customers waiting for service, most will wait an extra 2 weeks 
if you explain COVID has taken out a guy. Some may go with a competitor but if 
they suck, they'll be back to you eventually. We had people wait up to 5 weeks 
for an install when we were backed up from the COVID rush for service between 
March-August.

 

On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 11:46 PM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

So, I have a probable covid positive contractor.  

I know the answer here, I'm just sounding it out. 

I'm behind as fuck with this guys work. I worked with him last 

Re: [AFMUG] GNB Absolyte GX telecom batteries

[chuck]

I have use lots of them over the years.  They are good for 20 years in an 
environmentally controlled shelter.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 9:13 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [AFMUG] GNB Absolyte GX telecom batteries

Some website showed me an ad for these, I had never heard of them before.  Wow, 
those are some big ass batteries.  But 600 to 2000 lbs per 4V battery, I think 
they’re a little more than we could handle.

 

Has anybody used these or even looked into them further?  The specs look good.

 

https://alpinepowersystems.com/telecom-products/telecom-batteries/gnb-absolyte-gx/

 




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Re: [AFMUG] Green Terminal Block Tap

[chuck]

Tap the battery.

-Original Message- 
From: Mark - Myakka Technologies 
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 8:58 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Green Terminal Block Tap 


We use Cyberpower BBU for our Fiber ONT's.  It uses a custom plug that
has  the green terminal plugs on either end.  I have a situation where
I  need to add a small mikrotik router to the system.  I would like to
tap  the 12vdc from the BBU to power the mikrotik.  I can do a DIY tap
using  a  male and female screw connector.  But was wondering is there
was  a  more professional option out there.  Did a few google searches
with no good results.


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Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

[chuck]

How high do you need to be for a 3 mile cell?
I wonder about a tethered drone.  Powered from the ground.  Or perhaps a 
balloon.  Not for this instant case but for the future.  COWs that fly.  New 
company “Over the Moon”.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 8:48 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

I think Steve said it was a grain elevator or leg that got destroyed in a 
derecho wind storm.  I seem to remember he posted some photos.  I’m not sure if 
they are deploying on a concrete silo at the same site or a different site.

 

We used to avoid grain legs and pay the rent to be on commercial towers, but 
everything is forcing all of us to shrink our cells from 7-10 miles once upon a 
time to more like 3 miles today, so you really can’t avoid using whatever 
structures are available unless you want to build a lot of towers.  That said, 
we are on a 400 ft commercial tower with 5 licensed links and 10 sectors.  If 
that sucker blew over, I don’t know what we’d do, there are no nearby tall 
structures, and we couldn’t bring in a 300 ft COW and put all that stuff on it. 
 Luckily the tower was reinforced to Rev. G and is unlikely to blow over, but 
stuff happens, I remember one tower fell down when a vehicle went off the road 
and snapped some guy wires.  And there was an old AT Long Lines tower in our 
area that blew over in a wind storm.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 9:26 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

 

Or did the site actually fall over?





  On Oct 9, 2020, at 10:25 AM, Matt Hoppes  
wrote:

  

  I am just kind of curious here if you lost the site why has it been such a 
disaster getting it back on line? You couldn’t just put new equipment up?





On Oct 9, 2020, at 10:05 AM, David Milholen  wrote:

 

All I can say to that situation is damn.. 

Find new people... sheesh

On 10/9/2020 12:19 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

  We lost a primary sight in July during the storms. This is a remote site 
feeding around 80 customers and has been a shitshow getting back online. They 
were patient for a bit. We've hit wall after wall, new lease delays, 5ghz 
interference, multiple licensed links, wrong equipment, new hardware failures, 
electricians running 220 to 110 circuits, contractors wife kidnapping a kid, if 
it could go wrong it did. The town has had meetings over this and we last 
promised to be production ready and problem free 2 weeks ago. At this point 
they're shopping our lease probably. We have a multi year breakout on the lease 
and can fix it, but in the interim they'll probably colocate a competitor. 
Honestly, I cant blame them. 

   

   

  On Thu, Oct 8, 2020, 11:54 PM Darin Steffl  
wrote:

Can you clarify what you mean by "80 customer site loss"? 

 

Does this mean you'll miss out on potentially 80 new customers or 
you'll lose 80 current customers if you don't do said work?

 

If it's 80 new customers waiting for service, most will wait an extra 2 
weeks if you explain COVID has taken out a guy. Some may go with a competitor 
but if they suck, they'll be back to you eventually. We had people wait up to 5 
weeks for an install when we were backed up from the COVID rush for service 
between March-August.

 

On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 11:46 PM Steve Jones  
wrote:

  So, I have a probable covid positive contractor.  

  I know the answer here, I'm just sounding it out. 

  I'm behind as fuck with this guys work. I worked with him last 
weekend, I've been sick with harvest flu since a couple days before, his 
daughter tested positive the next day, his wife and other daughter the day 
after that and he got sick wednesday. Everybody is over symptoms (wife and 
daughter still have no taste or smell, but that lasts a long time)

  My harvest flu symptoms havent changed, not worried about me.

   

  Hes wanting to catch up behind work saturday. I'm usually very risk 
tolerant, and my house has been directly exposed a ton of times, so I know it's 
not as easily spread as they say.

  Its mid harvest, a farmer getting this shit right now could be 
devastating.

   

  Its gonna cost us alot if he doesnt get caught up, a substantial 
amount. Like 80 customer site loss substantial. We arent big, that's more than 
5 percent.

   

  My boss respects me after all these years, if I make a call, knowing 
the costs like this, he will back my call, but it burns all those years of 
trust.

   

  Theres like a .0001 percent chance he would spread it, zero direct 
interaction. But hes present at grain elevators mid harvest. Grain dust will 
drop anything airborne like a rock. It takes an exposure to a high viral count 
to even get symptomatic.

   

  

[AFMUG] GNB Absolyte GX telecom batteries

[Ken Hohhof]

Some website showed me an ad for these, I had never heard of them before.
Wow, those are some big ass batteries.  But 600 to 2000 lbs per 4V battery,
I think they're a little more than we could handle.

 

Has anybody used these or even looked into them further?  The specs look
good.

 

https://alpinepowersystems.com/telecom-products/telecom-batteries/gnb-absoly
te-gx/

 

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Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

[James Howard]

This is from the CDC website:

I think or know I had COVID-19, and I had symptoms
You can be around others after:

  *   10 days since symptoms first appeared and
  *   24 hours with no fever without the use of fever-reducing medications and
  *   Other symptoms of COVID-19 are improving*
*Loss of taste and smell may persist for weeks or months after recovery and 
need not delay the end of isolation​

So if you follow their guidelines, he should probably wait 10 days from when 
his symptoms appeared…..


From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2020 11:45 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] The covid, again

So, I have a probable covid positive contractor.
I know the answer here, I'm just sounding it out.
I'm behind as fuck with this guys work. I worked with him last weekend, I've 
been sick with harvest flu since a couple days before, his daughter tested 
positive the next day, his wife and other daughter the day after that and he 
got sick wednesday. Everybody is over symptoms (wife and daughter still have no 
taste or smell, but that lasts a long time)
My harvest flu symptoms havent changed, not worried about me.

Hes wanting to catch up behind work saturday. I'm usually very risk tolerant, 
and my house has been directly exposed a ton of times, so I know it's not as 
easily spread as they say.
Its mid harvest, a farmer getting this shit right now could be devastating.

Its gonna cost us alot if he doesnt get caught up, a substantial amount. Like 
80 customer site loss substantial. We arent big, that's more than 5 percent.

My boss respects me after all these years, if I make a call, knowing the costs 
like this, he will back my call, but it burns all those years of trust.

Theres like a .0001 percent chance he would spread it, zero direct interaction. 
But hes present at grain elevators mid harvest. Grain dust will drop anything 
airborne like a rock. It takes an exposure to a high viral count to even get 
symptomatic.

Tell me I'm wrong to push his work out another week or 2





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We use Cyberpower BBU for our Fiber ONT's.  It uses a custom plug that
has  the green terminal plugs on either end.  I have a situation where
I  need to add a small mikrotik router to the system.  I would like to
tap  the 12vdc from the BBU to power the mikrotik.  I can do a DIY tap
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Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

[Ken Hohhof]

I think Steve said it was a grain elevator or leg that got destroyed in a 
derecho wind storm.  I seem to remember he posted some photos.  I’m not sure if 
they are deploying on a concrete silo at the same site or a different site.

 

We used to avoid grain legs and pay the rent to be on commercial towers, but 
everything is forcing all of us to shrink our cells from 7-10 miles once upon a 
time to more like 3 miles today, so you really can’t avoid using whatever 
structures are available unless you want to build a lot of towers.  That said, 
we are on a 400 ft commercial tower with 5 licensed links and 10 sectors.  If 
that sucker blew over, I don’t know what we’d do, there are no nearby tall 
structures, and we couldn’t bring in a 300 ft COW and put all that stuff on it. 
 Luckily the tower was reinforced to Rev. G and is unlikely to blow over, but 
stuff happens, I remember one tower fell down when a vehicle went off the road 
and snapped some guy wires.  And there was an old AT Long Lines tower in our 
area that blew over in a wind storm.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 9:26 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

 

Or did the site actually fall over?





On Oct 9, 2020, at 10:25 AM, Matt Hoppes mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> > wrote:



I am just kind of curious here if you lost the site why has it been such a 
disaster getting it back on line? You couldn’t just put new equipment up?





On Oct 9, 2020, at 10:05 AM, David Milholen mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com> > wrote:

 

All I can say to that situation is damn.. 

Find new people... sheesh

On 10/9/2020 12:19 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

We lost a primary sight in July during the storms. This is a remote site 
feeding around 80 customers and has been a shitshow getting back online. They 
were patient for a bit. We've hit wall after wall, new lease delays, 5ghz 
interference, multiple licensed links, wrong equipment, new hardware failures, 
electricians running 220 to 110 circuits, contractors wife kidnapping a kid, if 
it could go wrong it did. The town has had meetings over this and we last 
promised to be production ready and problem free 2 weeks ago. At this point 
they're shopping our lease probably. We have a multi year breakout on the lease 
and can fix it, but in the interim they'll probably colocate a competitor. 
Honestly, I cant blame them. 

 

 

On Thu, Oct 8, 2020, 11:54 PM Darin Steffl mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> > wrote:

Can you clarify what you mean by "80 customer site loss"? 

 

Does this mean you'll miss out on potentially 80 new customers or you'll lose 
80 current customers if you don't do said work?

 

If it's 80 new customers waiting for service, most will wait an extra 2 weeks 
if you explain COVID has taken out a guy. Some may go with a competitor but if 
they suck, they'll be back to you eventually. We had people wait up to 5 weeks 
for an install when we were backed up from the COVID rush for service between 
March-August.

 

On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 11:46 PM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

So, I have a probable covid positive contractor.  

I know the answer here, I'm just sounding it out. 

I'm behind as fuck with this guys work. I worked with him last weekend, I've 
been sick with harvest flu since a couple days before, his daughter tested 
positive the next day, his wife and other daughter the day after that and he 
got sick wednesday. Everybody is over symptoms (wife and daughter still have no 
taste or smell, but that lasts a long time)

My harvest flu symptoms havent changed, not worried about me.

 

Hes wanting to catch up behind work saturday. I'm usually very risk tolerant, 
and my house has been directly exposed a ton of times, so I know it's not as 
easily spread as they say.

Its mid harvest, a farmer getting this shit right now could be devastating.

 

Its gonna cost us alot if he doesnt get caught up, a substantial amount. Like 
80 customer site loss substantial. We arent big, that's more than 5 percent.

 

My boss respects me after all these years, if I make a call, knowing the costs 
like this, he will back my call, but it burns all those years of trust.

 

Theres like a .0001 percent chance he would spread it, zero direct interaction. 
But hes present at grain elevators mid harvest. Grain dust will drop anything 
airborne like a rock. It takes an exposure to a high viral count to even get 
symptomatic.

 

Tell me I'm wrong to push his work out another week or 2

 

 

 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

[Matt Hoppes]

We call them covidiots 

> On Oct 9, 2020, at 10:27 AM, Jaime Solorza  wrote:
> 
> 
> We lost a relative's husband to it yesterday...31 years old...
> Stay safe... don't listen to idiots, it kills.
> 
>> On Thu, Oct 8, 2020, 10:46 PM Steve Jones  wrote:
>> So, I have a probable covid positive contractor. 
>> I know the answer here, I'm just sounding it out. 
>> I'm behind as fuck with this guys work. I worked with him last weekend, I've 
>> been sick with harvest flu since a couple days before, his daughter tested 
>> positive the next day, his wife and other daughter the day after that and he 
>> got sick wednesday. Everybody is over symptoms (wife and daughter still have 
>> no taste or smell, but that lasts a long time)
>> My harvest flu symptoms havent changed, not worried about me.
>> 
>> Hes wanting to catch up behind work saturday. I'm usually very risk 
>> tolerant, and my house has been directly exposed a ton of times, so I know 
>> it's not as easily spread as they say.
>> Its mid harvest, a farmer getting this shit right now could be devastating.
>> 
>> Its gonna cost us alot if he doesnt get caught up, a substantial amount. 
>> Like 80 customer site loss substantial. We arent big, that's more than 5 
>> percent.
>> 
>> My boss respects me after all these years, if I make a call, knowing the 
>> costs like this, he will back my call, but it burns all those years of trust.
>> 
>> Theres like a .0001 percent chance he would spread it, zero direct 
>> interaction. But hes present at grain elevators mid harvest. Grain dust will 
>> drop anything airborne like a rock. It takes an exposure to a high viral 
>> count to even get symptomatic.
>> 
>> Tell me I'm wrong to push his work out another week or 2
>> 
>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

[Matt Hoppes]

I am just kind of curious here if you lost the site why has it been such a 
disaster getting it back on line? You couldn’t just put new equipment up?

> On Oct 9, 2020, at 10:05 AM, David Milholen  wrote:
> 
> 
> All I can say to that situation is damn.. 
> 
> Find new people... sheesh
> 
> On 10/9/2020 12:19 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>> We lost a primary sight in July during the storms. This is a remote site 
>> feeding around 80 customers and has been a shitshow getting back online. 
>> They were patient for a bit. We've hit wall after wall, new lease delays, 
>> 5ghz interference, multiple licensed links, wrong equipment, new hardware 
>> failures, electricians running 220 to 110 circuits, contractors wife 
>> kidnapping a kid, if it could go wrong it did. The town has had meetings 
>> over this and we last promised to be production ready and problem free 2 
>> weeks ago. At this point they're shopping our lease probably. We have a 
>> multi year breakout on the lease and can fix it, but in the interim they'll 
>> probably colocate a competitor. Honestly, I cant blame them.
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Oct 8, 2020, 11:54 PM Darin Steffl  wrote:
>>> Can you clarify what you mean by "80 customer site loss"?
>>> 
>>> Does this mean you'll miss out on potentially 80 new customers or you'll 
>>> lose 80 current customers if you don't do said work?
>>> 
>>> If it's 80 new customers waiting for service, most will wait an extra 2 
>>> weeks if you explain COVID has taken out a guy. Some may go with a 
>>> competitor but if they suck, they'll be back to you eventually. We had 
>>> people wait up to 5 weeks for an install when we were backed up from the 
>>> COVID rush for service between March-August.
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 11:46 PM Steve Jones  
>>> wrote:
 So, I have a probable covid positive contractor. 
 I know the answer here, I'm just sounding it out. 
 I'm behind as fuck with this guys work. I worked with him last weekend, 
 I've been sick with harvest flu since a couple days before, his daughter 
 tested positive the next day, his wife and other daughter the day after 
 that and he got sick wednesday. Everybody is over symptoms (wife and 
 daughter still have no taste or smell, but that lasts a long time)
 My harvest flu symptoms havent changed, not worried about me.
 
 Hes wanting to catch up behind work saturday. I'm usually very risk 
 tolerant, and my house has been directly exposed a ton of times, so I know 
 it's not as easily spread as they say.
 Its mid harvest, a farmer getting this shit right now could be devastating.
 
 Its gonna cost us alot if he doesnt get caught up, a substantial amount. 
 Like 80 customer site loss substantial. We arent big, that's more than 5 
 percent.
 
 My boss respects me after all these years, if I make a call, knowing the 
 costs like this, he will back my call, but it burns all those years of 
 trust.
 
 Theres like a .0001 percent chance he would spread it, zero direct 
 interaction. But hes present at grain elevators mid harvest. Grain dust 
 will drop anything airborne like a rock. It takes an exposure to a high 
 viral count to even get symptomatic.
 
 Tell me I'm wrong to push his work out another week or 2
 
 
 
 
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Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

[Jaime Solorza]

We lost a relative's husband to it yesterday...31 years old...
Stay safe... don't listen to idiots, it kills.

On Thu, Oct 8, 2020, 10:46 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

> So, I have a probable covid positive contractor.
> I know the answer here, I'm just sounding it out.
> I'm behind as fuck with this guys work. I worked with him last weekend,
> I've been sick with harvest flu since a couple days before, his daughter
> tested positive the next day, his wife and other daughter the day after
> that and he got sick wednesday. Everybody is over symptoms (wife and
> daughter still have no taste or smell, but that lasts a long time)
> My harvest flu symptoms havent changed, not worried about me.
>
> Hes wanting to catch up behind work saturday. I'm usually very risk
> tolerant, and my house has been directly exposed a ton of times, so I know
> it's not as easily spread as they say.
> Its mid harvest, a farmer getting this shit right now could be devastating.
>
> Its gonna cost us alot if he doesnt get caught up, a substantial amount.
> Like 80 customer site loss substantial. We arent big, that's more than 5
> percent.
>
> My boss respects me after all these years, if I make a call, knowing the
> costs like this, he will back my call, but it burns all those years of
> trust.
>
> Theres like a .0001 percent chance he would spread it, zero direct
> interaction. But hes present at grain elevators mid harvest. Grain dust
> will drop anything airborne like a rock. It takes an exposure to a high
> viral count to even get symptomatic.
>
> Tell me I'm wrong to push his work out another week or 2
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

[Matt Hoppes]

Or did the site actually fall over?

> On Oct 9, 2020, at 10:25 AM, Matt Hoppes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I am just kind of curious here if you lost the site why has it been such a 
> disaster getting it back on line? You couldn’t just put new equipment up?
> 
>>> On Oct 9, 2020, at 10:05 AM, David Milholen  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> All I can say to that situation is damn.. 
>> 
>> Find new people... sheesh
>> 
>> On 10/9/2020 12:19 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>> We lost a primary sight in July during the storms. This is a remote site 
>>> feeding around 80 customers and has been a shitshow getting back online. 
>>> They were patient for a bit. We've hit wall after wall, new lease delays, 
>>> 5ghz interference, multiple licensed links, wrong equipment, new hardware 
>>> failures, electricians running 220 to 110 circuits, contractors wife 
>>> kidnapping a kid, if it could go wrong it did. The town has had meetings 
>>> over this and we last promised to be production ready and problem free 2 
>>> weeks ago. At this point they're shopping our lease probably. We have a 
>>> multi year breakout on the lease and can fix it, but in the interim they'll 
>>> probably colocate a competitor. Honestly, I cant blame them.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Oct 8, 2020, 11:54 PM Darin Steffl  wrote:
 Can you clarify what you mean by "80 customer site loss"?
 
 Does this mean you'll miss out on potentially 80 new customers or you'll 
 lose 80 current customers if you don't do said work?
 
 If it's 80 new customers waiting for service, most will wait an extra 2 
 weeks if you explain COVID has taken out a guy. Some may go with a 
 competitor but if they suck, they'll be back to you eventually. We had 
 people wait up to 5 weeks for an install when we were backed up from the 
 COVID rush for service between March-August.
 
 On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 11:46 PM Steve Jones  
 wrote:
> So, I have a probable covid positive contractor. 
> I know the answer here, I'm just sounding it out. 
> I'm behind as fuck with this guys work. I worked with him last weekend, 
> I've been sick with harvest flu since a couple days before, his daughter 
> tested positive the next day, his wife and other daughter the day after 
> that and he got sick wednesday. Everybody is over symptoms (wife and 
> daughter still have no taste or smell, but that lasts a long time)
> My harvest flu symptoms havent changed, not worried about me.
> 
> Hes wanting to catch up behind work saturday. I'm usually very risk 
> tolerant, and my house has been directly exposed a ton of times, so I 
> know it's not as easily spread as they say.
> Its mid harvest, a farmer getting this shit right now could be 
> devastating.
> 
> Its gonna cost us alot if he doesnt get caught up, a substantial amount. 
> Like 80 customer site loss substantial. We arent big, that's more than 5 
> percent.
> 
> My boss respects me after all these years, if I make a call, knowing the 
> costs like this, he will back my call, but it burns all those years of 
> trust.
> 
> Theres like a .0001 percent chance he would spread it, zero direct 
> interaction. But hes present at grain elevators mid harvest. Grain dust 
> will drop anything airborne like a rock. It takes an exposure to a high 
> viral count to even get symptomatic.
> 
> Tell me I'm wrong to push his work out another week or 2
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

[David Milholen]

All I can say to that situation is damn..

Find new people... sheesh

On 10/9/2020 12:19 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
We lost a primary sight in July during the storms. This is a remote 
site feeding around 80 customers and has been a shitshow getting back 
online. They were patient for a bit. We've hit wall after wall, new 
lease delays, 5ghz interference, multiple licensed links, wrong 
equipment, new hardware failures, electricians running 220 to 110 
circuits, contractors wife kidnapping a kid, if it could go wrong it 
did. The town has had meetings over this and we last promised to be 
production ready and problem free 2 weeks ago. At this point they're 
shopping our lease probably. We have a multi year breakout on the 
lease and can fix it, but in the interim they'll probably colocate a 
competitor. Honestly, I cant blame them.



On Thu, Oct 8, 2020, 11:54 PM Darin Steffl > wrote:


Can you clarify what you mean by "80 customer site loss"?

Does this mean you'll miss out on potentially 80 new customers or
you'll lose 80 current customers if you don't do said work?

If it's 80 new customers waiting for service, most will wait an
extra 2 weeks if you explain COVID has taken out a guy. Some may
go with a competitor but if they suck, they'll be back to you
eventually. We had people wait up to 5 weeks for an install when
we were backed up from the COVID rush for service between
March-August.

On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 11:46 PM Steve Jones
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

So, I have a probable covid positive contractor.
I know the answer here, I'm just sounding it out.
I'm behind as fuck with this guys work. I worked with him last
weekend, I've been sick with harvest flu since a couple days
before, his daughter tested positive the next day, his wife
and other daughter the day after that and he got sick
wednesday. Everybody is over symptoms (wife and daughter still
have no taste or smell, but that lasts a long time)
My harvest flu symptoms havent changed, not worried about me.

Hes wanting to catch up behind work saturday. I'm usually very
risk tolerant, and my house has been directly exposed a ton of
times, so I know it's not as easily spread as they say.
Its mid harvest, a farmer getting this shit right now could be
devastating.

Its gonna cost us alot if he doesnt get caught up, a
substantial amount. Like 80 customer site loss substantial. We
arent big, that's more than 5 percent.

My boss respects me after all these years, if I make a call,
knowing the costs like this, he will back my call, but it
burns all those years of trust.

Theres like a .0001 percent chance he would spread it, zero
direct interaction. But hes present at grain elevators mid
harvest. Grain dust will drop anything airborne like a rock.
It takes an exposure to a high viral count to even get
symptomatic.

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Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help on sonar.software

[Cameron Crum]

Hey Robert,

Georgette there is a good friend, actually my former employee and went with
Wispmon when I sold to Sonar. I reached out to her. She said you will be
working with her and she will reach out to you next week. If you call in
there, you might request to speak with her. She is off today but will be
back in Monday.

Cameron


On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 4:44 PM James Howard  wrote:

> Breakfast and lunch for some I suppose.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 8, 2020 4:27 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help on sonar.software
>
>
>
> It's dinner & desert?
>
>
>
> On 10/8/2020 5:14 PM, James Howard wrote:
>
> Doesn’t it go like this?
>
>
>
> Meth!  It’s not just for dinner anymore.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 8, 2020 3:04 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help on sonar.software
>
>
>
> Meth must be for dinner
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 8, 2020, 1:13 PM Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
> Then head on over to powercode.com and get yourself a real billing
> system run by people who care.
>
> On 10/8/20 2:11 PM, Robert Bain wrote:
> > I have called and I waiting . It has been 2 weeks and no return call
> > Robert Bain
> > 10102 224th Street East
> > Unit 1090
> > Graham,Washington 98338
> > Cell 253-219-2890
> > bai...@yahoo.com
> >
> >
> > On Thursday, October 8, 2020, 11:07:22 AM PDT, Matt Hoppes
> >  wrote:
> >
> >
> > Step 1:
> > Call them.
> >
> > ???
> >
> > Profit!
> >
> > On 10/8/20 2:03 PM, Robert Bain via AF wrote:
> >  > I need directions / steps on setting up sonar.software. The videos and
> >  > tutorials don't seem to answer the question.
> >  > Step 1 , 2,3,4 etc
> >  >
> >  > Robert Bain
> >  > 10102 224th Street East
> >  > Unit 1090
> >  > Graham,Washington 98338
> >  > Cell 253-219-2890
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Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

[Ken Hohhof]

There were people in Iowa without POWER for a week after that storm.  You get a 
portable generator.  Just like you get a mobile hotspot.  People are too 
demanding.  Freakin’ Karens everywhere.

 

The idea of bringing in a crew if possible does make sense.  Or see if adjacent 
WISPs can help out, like an old fashioned barn raising.

 

We’re not really answering Steve’s question, whether to have the Covid positive 
tech work.  That’s assuming he is even well enough to work.  I am not a lawyer 
and can’t really comment.  Common sense would say outdoors not near anyone else 
would be OK, but common sense doesn’t keep you from getting sued, or from 
remorse if someone actually did catch it from him.

 

Sounds like work that would require a second person, if only for safety.  
Steve, are you suggesting that you would take the risk and be the second person 
yourself?  Not sure that’s a reasonable risk, what if you get Covid and have to 
isolate, now the company is really screwed.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Darin Steffl
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 8:08 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

 

That sounds far too long to restore service. Not knowing your full situation, 
they would expect service after a storm to be restored within a week max. If 
it's going over 2 months, that's dropping the ball.

 

Do temporary things to get them online like a COW or bucket truck with genny 
and battery power as backup. This gets over lease and power issues at least 
until the permanent setup can be built properly. 

 

They should be mad and looking at another provider if 2 months doesn't yield 
results. We would have lost all 80 customers after a week if we didn't fix 
service. People are very demanding with their internet now. 

 

On Fri, Oct 9, 2020, 12:20 AM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

We lost a primary sight in July during the storms. This is a remote site 
feeding around 80 customers and has been a shitshow getting back online. They 
were patient for a bit. We've hit wall after wall, new lease delays, 5ghz 
interference, multiple licensed links, wrong equipment, new hardware failures, 
electricians running 220 to 110 circuits, contractors wife kidnapping a kid, if 
it could go wrong it did. The town has had meetings over this and we last 
promised to be production ready and problem free 2 weeks ago. At this point 
they're shopping our lease probably. We have a multi year breakout on the lease 
and can fix it, but in the interim they'll probably colocate a competitor. 
Honestly, I cant blame them.

 

 

On Thu, Oct 8, 2020, 11:54 PM Darin Steffl mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> > wrote:

Can you clarify what you mean by "80 customer site loss"?

 

Does this mean you'll miss out on potentially 80 new customers or you'll lose 
80 current customers if you don't do said work?

 

If it's 80 new customers waiting for service, most will wait an extra 2 weeks 
if you explain COVID has taken out a guy. Some may go with a competitor but if 
they suck, they'll be back to you eventually. We had people wait up to 5 weeks 
for an install when we were backed up from the COVID rush for service between 
March-August.

 

On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 11:46 PM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

So, I have a probable covid positive contractor. 

I know the answer here, I'm just sounding it out. 

I'm behind as fuck with this guys work. I worked with him last weekend, I've 
been sick with harvest flu since a couple days before, his daughter tested 
positive the next day, his wife and other daughter the day after that and he 
got sick wednesday. Everybody is over symptoms (wife and daughter still have no 
taste or smell, but that lasts a long time)

My harvest flu symptoms havent changed, not worried about me.

 

Hes wanting to catch up behind work saturday. I'm usually very risk tolerant, 
and my house has been directly exposed a ton of times, so I know it's not as 
easily spread as they say.

Its mid harvest, a farmer getting this shit right now could be devastating.

 

Its gonna cost us alot if he doesnt get caught up, a substantial amount. Like 
80 customer site loss substantial. We arent big, that's more than 5 percent.

 

My boss respects me after all these years, if I make a call, knowing the costs 
like this, he will back my call, but it burns all those years of trust.

 

Theres like a .0001 percent chance he would spread it, zero direct interaction. 
But hes present at grain elevators mid harvest. Grain dust will drop anything 
airborne like a rock. It takes an exposure to a high viral count to even get 
symptomatic.

 

Tell me I'm wrong to push his work out another week or 2

 

 

 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

[Joe Novak]

Do you want names of other contractors that aren't far from northern
Illinois that can maybe send a crew to you? It may be a little bit more
expensive, but it really doesn't sound like a good situation.

On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 12:20 AM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> We lost a primary sight in July during the storms. This is a remote site
> feeding around 80 customers and has been a shitshow getting back online.
> They were patient for a bit. We've hit wall after wall, new lease delays,
> 5ghz interference, multiple licensed links, wrong equipment, new hardware
> failures, electricians running 220 to 110 circuits, contractors wife
> kidnapping a kid, if it could go wrong it did. The town has had meetings
> over this and we last promised to be production ready and problem free 2
> weeks ago. At this point they're shopping our lease probably. We have a
> multi year breakout on the lease and can fix it, but in the interim they'll
> probably colocate a competitor. Honestly, I cant blame them.
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 8, 2020, 11:54 PM Darin Steffl 
> wrote:
>
>> Can you clarify what you mean by "80 customer site loss"?
>>
>> Does this mean you'll miss out on potentially 80 new customers or you'll
>> lose 80 current customers if you don't do said work?
>>
>> If it's 80 new customers waiting for service, most will wait an extra 2
>> weeks if you explain COVID has taken out a guy. Some may go with a
>> competitor but if they suck, they'll be back to you eventually. We had
>> people wait up to 5 weeks for an install when we were backed up from the
>> COVID rush for service between March-August.
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 11:46 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> So, I have a probable covid positive contractor.
>>> I know the answer here, I'm just sounding it out.
>>> I'm behind as fuck with this guys work. I worked with him last weekend,
>>> I've been sick with harvest flu since a couple days before, his daughter
>>> tested positive the next day, his wife and other daughter the day after
>>> that and he got sick wednesday. Everybody is over symptoms (wife and
>>> daughter still have no taste or smell, but that lasts a long time)
>>> My harvest flu symptoms havent changed, not worried about me.
>>>
>>> Hes wanting to catch up behind work saturday. I'm usually very risk
>>> tolerant, and my house has been directly exposed a ton of times, so I know
>>> it's not as easily spread as they say.
>>> Its mid harvest, a farmer getting this shit right now could be
>>> devastating.
>>>
>>> Its gonna cost us alot if he doesnt get caught up, a substantial amount.
>>> Like 80 customer site loss substantial. We arent big, that's more than 5
>>> percent.
>>>
>>> My boss respects me after all these years, if I make a call, knowing the
>>> costs like this, he will back my call, but it burns all those years of
>>> trust.
>>>
>>> Theres like a .0001 percent chance he would spread it, zero direct
>>> interaction. But hes present at grain elevators mid harvest. Grain dust
>>> will drop anything airborne like a rock. It takes an exposure to a high
>>> viral count to even get symptomatic.
>>>
>>> Tell me I'm wrong to push his work out another week or 2
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
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Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

[Darin Steffl]

That sounds far too long to restore service. Not knowing your full
situation, they would expect service after a storm to be restored within a
week max. If it's going over 2 months, that's dropping the ball.

Do temporary things to get them online like a COW or bucket truck with
genny and battery power as backup. This gets over lease and power issues at
least until the permanent setup can be built properly.

They should be mad and looking at another provider if 2 months doesn't
yield results. We would have lost all 80 customers after a week if we
didn't fix service. People are very demanding with their internet now.

On Fri, Oct 9, 2020, 12:20 AM Steve Jones  wrote:

> We lost a primary sight in July during the storms. This is a remote site
> feeding around 80 customers and has been a shitshow getting back online.
> They were patient for a bit. We've hit wall after wall, new lease delays,
> 5ghz interference, multiple licensed links, wrong equipment, new hardware
> failures, electricians running 220 to 110 circuits, contractors wife
> kidnapping a kid, if it could go wrong it did. The town has had meetings
> over this and we last promised to be production ready and problem free 2
> weeks ago. At this point they're shopping our lease probably. We have a
> multi year breakout on the lease and can fix it, but in the interim they'll
> probably colocate a competitor. Honestly, I cant blame them.
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 8, 2020, 11:54 PM Darin Steffl 
> wrote:
>
>> Can you clarify what you mean by "80 customer site loss"?
>>
>> Does this mean you'll miss out on potentially 80 new customers or you'll
>> lose 80 current customers if you don't do said work?
>>
>> If it's 80 new customers waiting for service, most will wait an extra 2
>> weeks if you explain COVID has taken out a guy. Some may go with a
>> competitor but if they suck, they'll be back to you eventually. We had
>> people wait up to 5 weeks for an install when we were backed up from the
>> COVID rush for service between March-August.
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 11:46 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> So, I have a probable covid positive contractor.
>>> I know the answer here, I'm just sounding it out.
>>> I'm behind as fuck with this guys work. I worked with him last weekend,
>>> I've been sick with harvest flu since a couple days before, his daughter
>>> tested positive the next day, his wife and other daughter the day after
>>> that and he got sick wednesday. Everybody is over symptoms (wife and
>>> daughter still have no taste or smell, but that lasts a long time)
>>> My harvest flu symptoms havent changed, not worried about me.
>>>
>>> Hes wanting to catch up behind work saturday. I'm usually very risk
>>> tolerant, and my house has been directly exposed a ton of times, so I know
>>> it's not as easily spread as they say.
>>> Its mid harvest, a farmer getting this shit right now could be
>>> devastating.
>>>
>>> Its gonna cost us alot if he doesnt get caught up, a substantial amount.
>>> Like 80 customer site loss substantial. We arent big, that's more than 5
>>> percent.
>>>
>>> My boss respects me after all these years, if I make a call, knowing the
>>> costs like this, he will back my call, but it burns all those years of
>>> trust.
>>>
>>> Theres like a .0001 percent chance he would spread it, zero direct
>>> interaction. But hes present at grain elevators mid harvest. Grain dust
>>> will drop anything airborne like a rock. It takes an exposure to a high
>>> viral count to even get symptomatic.
>>>
>>> Tell me I'm wrong to push his work out another week or 2
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> AF@af.afmug.com
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>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Documentation / KB Software

[Steven Kenney]

This one is pretty cool thanks for showing me. Even has an online demo which is 
an indication of being run by people who "get it". 

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https://www.instagram.com/wave.direct/ ] [ 
https://www.linkedin.com/company/wavedirect-telecommunication/ ] [ 
https://twitter.com/wavedirect1 ] [ https://www.youtube.com/user/WaveDirect ] 
STEVEN KENNEY 
DIRECTOR OF GLOBAL CONNECTIVITY & CONTINUITY A: 158 Erie St. N | Leamington ON 
E: st...@wavedirect.org | P: 519-737-9283 
W: www.wavedirect.net 


From: "af"  
To: "af"  
Cc: "SmarterBroadband"  
Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2020 6:19:04 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Documentation / KB Software 



We use BookStack. May do what you want. It is easy to use. 




From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steven Kenney 
Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2020 6:20 AM 
To: af  
Subject: [AFMUG] Documentation / KB Software 





We have a wiki, however I'm looking to upgrade and provide something a little 
more user friendly so all the non technical folks can share documentation. I'm 
looking on prem open source something that is NOT wordpress based. I've seen 
many CMS' out there but none of them have the look and feel that we want. It 
must be simple to add content such as howto's, guides, faqs etc. All the 
documentation a medium sized company growing quickly into a large company will 
need. I guess it would be considered a KMS. It must have a good API. 





One system that really piqued my interest is Document360 however it isn't open 
source, nor on prem and its ungodly expensive. So if you know something similar 
please advise. What do you use? 





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https://www.instagram.com/wave.direct/ ] [ 
https://www.linkedin.com/company/wavedirect-telecommunication/ ] [ 
https://twitter.com/wavedirect1 ] [ https://www.youtube.com/user/WaveDirect ] 


STEVEN KENNEY 
DIRECTOR OF GLOBAL CONNECTIVITY & CONTINUITY A: 158 Erie St. N | Leamington ON 
E: [ mailto:st...@wavedirect.org | st...@wavedirect.org ] | P: 519-737-9283 
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