Re: [AFMUG] Nfinitrbroadband
60GHz PTMP does Gigabit. UBNT Wave - https://store.ui.com/products/wave-ap Cambium cnWave - https://www.cambiumnetworks.com/products/cnwave/60-ghz-cnwave-v5000/ photograph Daniel White Co-Founder phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 > Chuck McCown via AF <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > January 1, 2023 at 17:38 > https://www.nfinitybroadband.com/ > > Got the name wrong. > > *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller > *Sent:* Sunday, January 1, 2023 4:28 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Cc:* Chuck McCown > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Nfinitrbroadband > > > > > Dallin Boyce - CEO > > > Fota...fiber over the air. Ok. ? > > - Reply message - > From: "Chuck McCown via AF" > To: > Cc: "Chuck McCown" > Subject: [AFMUG] Nfinitrbroadband > Date: Sat, Dec 31, 2022 11:44 AM > > Advertising gig fiber over the air. Who and what are they really? > Sent from my iPhone > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Cordless phones
Yealink makes the best DECT SIP phones out there IMHO.
W70B with the W53H or W56H. The W56P for instance is the base plus one
phone and is very reasonable. They make a ruggedized handset that
might be more to your liking based on the "industrial" environment.
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> Chuck McCown via AF <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
> September 2, 2022 at 11:41
> Before I google, I ask the borg.
> I need to have some kind of phone that I can put in my pocket or clip
> to my belt.
> It would be connected to my office asterisk. I would like some kind
> of blue tooth earpiece too.
>
> This is so I can catch calls when I am the only one here.
> I remember back in the day, the DECT 5.0 phones had really nice
> range. So I will probably search for those.
> And I will probably feed it off of an ATA.
>
> I do not want to call forward to my cell phone. People come and go
> all day along around here so I never know if the office is unattended
> for short intervals when I am out on the shop floor or in the back
> lot. I just want a phone that will ring along with all the other
> phones if I choose to turn it on.
>
> Anyone have a better solution?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium cnReach N500 900MHz
I was one of the first people certified by Cambium on them. It is a pretty cool radio and should stack up well against GE-MDS. Cambium has people focused on this... you should engage them. This companies radios might look familiar - https://www.xetawave.com/products photograph Daniel White Co-Founder phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 > Jaime Solorza <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > April 11, 2022 at 08:55 > hello my fine feathered friends... > Have any of you installed or worked on the Cambium SCADA/IoT > solutions? In particular the N500 900MHz version...it is a strange > bird...works as unlicensed and licensed ..902-928MHz and 928-960MHz > respectively. > We are bidding against GE-MDS SD-9 radios which I know are solid but > way more expensive and only work in licensed bands. > The unlicensed setting on Cambium radio provides a 4MBps pipe, more > than enough for cameras at important locations... > Peace > Slava Ukrini > Jaime Solorza > Wireless Systems Architect > 915-861-1390 > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Anyone know this router?
https://www.tp-link.com/us/deco-mesh-wifi/product-family/deco-m4/ photograph Daniel White Co-Founder phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] POTS line over IP network?
You could always buy a SIP trunk South Central Utah Telephone Association and port to that. I can't believe how unbearably slow their website is. We have an ISP we did that with to get LNP You could also go from POTS to SIP and as mentioned before use DECT. Yealink DECT phones are awesome and they have repeaters you can install. photograph Daniel White Co-Founder phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 > Craig Baird <mailto:cr...@xpressweb.com> > March 5, 2022 at 16:49 > 435-644 > > Craig > > > > Mike Hammett <mailto:af...@ics-il.net> > March 5, 2022 at 15:06 > What's the NPA-NXX? > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > > *From: *"Craig Baird" > *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" > *Sent: *Friday, March 4, 2022 9:52:24 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] POTS line over IP network? > > Also, regarding just going with VOIP, that was my first thought. > However, I have yet to find a VOIP provider that can port our small > town's local numbers. > > Craig > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > Craig Baird <mailto:cr...@xpressweb.com> > March 4, 2022 at 08:52 > Also, regarding just going with VOIP, that was my first thought. > However, I have yet to find a VOIP provider that can port our small > town's local numbers. > > Craig > > > > > Carl Peterson <mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com> > March 4, 2022 at 07:23 > 1) If you have an ethernet network in place couldn't you just steal a > pair? > 2) Why bother with converting POTs ->IP -> POTS? Just get rid of the > pots line and replace it with a VOIP line. > > > > > -- > > Carl Peterson > > *PORT NETWORKS* > > 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 > > Baltimore, MD 21202 > > (410) 637-3707 > > > > Chuck McCown via AF <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > March 3, 2022 at 18:36 > Good cordless phone. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] 10 miles ptp 10GBps solutions
At what availability? If you can't break up the hop... a 80GHz 10Gbps link I think should connect at that distance (you would need to do the link calc) but it would be super s**ty availability. You could then backup the link with say 11GHz 1Gbps. Depending on what the application is... that might work great for them without running 10 miles of fiber. Ken Ruppel would be able to work something out - ken.rup...@aviatnet.com photograph Daniel White Co-Founder phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 > Jaime Solorza <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > March 3, 2022 at 09:57 > Does any company offer a wireless 10GBps 10 mile solution? > City folks asking > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] POTS line over IP network?
I've not personally done this, but I'd be a Grandstream HT801 for the FXS port and a Grandstream HT813 for the FXO port would work. This document outlines the config - https://www.grandstream.com/hubfs/Product_Documentation/Peering_HT8XX_with_HT813.pdf?hsLang=en photograph Daniel White Co-Founder phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 > Chuck McCown via AF <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > March 3, 2022 at 11:06 > I have done it with FXS to FXO ATAs. > > *From:* dmmoff...@gmail.com > *Sent:* Thursday, March 3, 2022 10:55 AM > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] POTS line over IP network? > > > Yeah. The Linksys/Sipura SPA equipment could do that. You’d get a > device with the FXO port on one end (I think SPA3000) and then an ATA > at the other end. > > I don’t think that feature set survived the transition to Cisco…..I’m > afraid I don’t know the modern equivalent. > > > > Adtran Total Access can do that too, but that’s an expensive solution > for a gift shop. > > > > Asterisk boxes with an FXO card on one end and FXS card on the > other…..a little creativity with the dialplan and you’re off to the > races. That might be cheap enough, but this may not be practical for > everyone. I’m pretty certain it would work, it would just burn a lot > of your time. > > > > I’d hope somebody here knows the current good/cheap option, but I’m > afraid I don’t. > > > > > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Craig Baird > *Sent:* Thursday, March 03, 2022 12:48 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* [AFMUG] POTS line over IP network? > > > > Is anyone aware of a device that will take a POTS line from the telco, > convert it to IP, and then somewhere on the network convert it back > into a normal analog POTs line to plug into an analog handset? > > > > Basically, I have a customer who owns a gift shop. They have a > restaurant in a separate building behind the gift shop. Currently, > they have a POTS line that is strung from the demarc, and across the > ceiling of the gift shop. At the rear, it exits the gift shop and > makes its way into the restaurant where it eventually plugs into a > phone. They want to get rid of the wire that runs across the ceiling > because it looks crazy stupid. Unfortunately, there's a reason the > wire was originally run that way--there isn't really another way to > get it to the restaurant without tearing a bunch of stuff apart (lack > of attic and crawlspace). However, I do have an ethernet network in > place between the two buildings, and can relatively easily get a wire > from the demarc to a network switch. > > > > So, what I'm envisioning is a pair of boxes. One of the boxes plugs > into Ethernet has an FXS port to plug in the POTS line. The other box, > also plugs into Ethernet and has an FXO port to plug in the phone. > They see each other over the IP network, and magically transport the > POTS line to where it needs to be. > > > > Do such devices exist? > > > > Craig > > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > dmmoff...@gmail.com <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > March 3, 2022 at 10:55 > > Yeah. The Linksys/Sipura SPA equipment could do that. You’d get a > device with the FXO port on one end (I think SPA3000) and then an ATA > at the other end. > > I don’t think that feature set survived the transition to Cisco…..I’m > afraid I don’t know the modern equivalent. > > > > Adtran Total Access can do that too, but that’s an expensive solution > for a gift shop. > > > > Asterisk boxes with an FXO card on one end and FXS card on the > other…..a little creativity with the dialplan and you’re off to the > races. That might be cheap enough, but this may not be practical for > everyone. I’m pretty certain it would work, it would just burn a lot > of your time. > > > > I’d hope somebody here knows the current good/cheap option, but I’m > afraid I don’t. > > > > > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Craig Baird > *Sent:* Thursday, March 03, 2022 12:48 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* [AFMUG] POTS line over IP network? > > > > Is anyone aware of a device that will take a POTS line from the telco, > convert it to IP, and then somewhere on the network convert it back > into a normal analog POTs line to plug into an analog handset? > > > > Basically, I have a customer who owns a gift shop. They have a > restaurant
Re: [AFMUG] OT Machinery colors
I saw this light blue on a new Ford Bronco today that looked pretty sharp. Looks like it is called "Area 51" Ford Bronco Truck In The Works, Could Arrive As Early As 2022 | Carscoops photograph Daniel White Co-Founder phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 > Chuck McCown via AF <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > February 21, 2022 at 11:48 > Does not inflame the passion to buy, to possess. > > *From:* Jaime Solorza > *Sent:* Monday, February 21, 2022 11:28 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Machinery colors > > Smoke grey > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > Jaime Solorza <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > February 21, 2022 at 11:28 > Smoke grey > > > > Chuck McCown via AF <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > February 21, 2022 at 09:27 > Our local powder coating shop changed hands and doubled pricing. But > that is the best option. > > -Original Message- From: Jan-GAMs > Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2022 10:10 PM > To: af@af.afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Machinery colors > > Robin's egg blue. Just enough color to show where it still needs > cleaning after use but not enough color to make lack of cleaning an > issue with looks. And why bother with paint crews? Send the parts out > prior to assembly for powder coat. Durable goods should get durable > coatings, paint just scratches and looks like crap, powder coating takes > a beating keeps on looking nice! > > > > Jan-GAMs <mailto:j.vank...@grnacres.net> > February 20, 2022 at 22:10 > Robin's egg blue. Just enough color to show where it still needs > cleaning after use but not enough color to make lack of cleaning an > issue with looks. And why bother with paint crews? Send the parts > out prior to assembly for powder coat. Durable goods should get > durable coatings, paint just scratches and looks like crap, powder > coating takes a beating keeps on looking nice! > > > > Robert Andrews <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com> > February 20, 2022 at 14:31 > I love my country and hate that being patriotic has become a label of > sides, that said, I like red white and blue and think that the pastel > versions of those colors could work... > > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] sms forwarding
Well I'm a week late to this thread... but if you are doing any SMS/MMS over anything you are signing up for as "residential" then be warned. If the MNOs (Mobile Network Operators) get a complaint, or detect business usage, you may get fined up to $10k per message now if you have not registered your brand and a campaign with "The Campaign Registry." If you read A2P and go "well this is a one-to-one conversation so I'm good" the MNO's now define A2P basically as business... since if you are talking Google Voice, Twilio, Atheral, etc. there is an "application" involved between the cell phones. Low-volume mixed usage is only a few dollars a month to register... although whomever you go with will probably charge you $50 to register your brand. It's a major pain in the ass... and the carriers expect everyone to be in full compliance by March 1st (well ish...) photograph Daniel White Co-Founder phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 > Cameron Crum <mailto:cc...@murcevilo.com> > February 11, 2022 at 07:59 > Twilio is a good option if you don't mind paying, although I'm not > sure how it would handle the non-response/escalation requirement. That > would have to be managed by a program somewhere else. You pay for > every call, message, etc and you do need some minor development skills > to make it do what you want. YAs Forrest says, people do build whole > call centers out of it, but that would get complex and pricey. They > also have a unified product called flex that is very feature rich, but > also a bit expensive. For less than you are paying twilio to do all > that, you could easily spin up a VM at any hosting provider with free > PBX, add a trunk line, and configure some scripts to manage the > response time/escalation. I also like and use Google Voice and think > it might be able to do 90% of what you need. I have used both Twilio > and use Google Voice as well. I know you don't care much for the big > billing platforms out there, but many have some great communication > features now. For instance, Visp now has a messaging center that works > through SMS, FB, What's App, and is adding more. It can handles > incoming messages from customers and auto reply, open a ticket, chat > with sales or support, etc. The SMS part works through Twilio. I'm > sure Sonar and Powercode, etc will have something similar if they > don't already. Lot's of options, but most require time or money or both. > > > > > Chuck McCown via AF <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > February 11, 2022 at 06:23 > I am going to check it out. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > Forrest Christian (List Account) <mailto:li...@packetflux.com> > February 11, 2022 at 04:51 > A bit more detail. > > If you need more flexibility than Google voice, Twilio is a provider > which has a whole crap ton of products dealing with telephony. > > More importantly for your situation they permit one to build a > serverless application to handle your incoming calls and SMS. So you > can say "when you receive a SMS, forward it onto these 6 cell phones > and 4 email addresses" > > The functionality is so complete that people build entire call centers > including hold queues, time on hold estimates, round Robin queues and > so on. > > The erector set comment I made refers to the fact that they give you > the tools, and docs and expect you to put them together to do what > you want. In your case, I'd expect twiML being "hosted" in twiML > bins might have enough functionality. > > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Microwave in Movies
There is a BridgeWave GE60 and I think a SAF link up there. I really ought to stop the movie to look it over closer. My guess is it was/is Webpass rooftop site based on the equipment mix but it could be a variety of vendors. WiLine also used GE60s for instance. photograph Daniel White Co-Founder phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 > Bill Prince <mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > January 10, 2022 at 11:05 > I've been on a few rooftops in SF, and I can tell you there are all > kinds of vendor and non-vendor (AKA private) links all over the > freaking place. We at one time considered buying a small operator > there, but the crazy RF environment scared me away. > > I bet Peter knows some of them too. > > > bp > > > > > Nate Burke <mailto:n...@blastcomm.com> > January 10, 2022 at 09:45 > I was just watching Matrix Resurrections and noticed the rooftop > helicopter battle shot in San Francisco has a lot of microwave > antennas on it, quite a few are Ubiquiti. Is that equipment anybody > here? Did you know filming was happening? > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] What are you gents using?
Better antennas. Smaller channels. Closer sites to the subscriber. Better use of geography to block noise. Lower AGL of APs on towers. More antenna gain. This isn't an equipment question really... it is an RF Engineering exercise. All things equal equipment like Cambium 450 will outperform equipment based on wifi chipsets (Cambium ePMP, Mimosa, Ubiquiti). Beamforming is a big plus (but only helps if the subscribers are distributed). I'd be using 30deg horns on everything I can. Keep the subs close in, and keep the AP's as low to the ground as possible to prevent picking up distant interference. photograph Daniel White Co-Founder phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 > Jaime Solorza <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > December 17, 2021 at 09:34 > Several WISPs in area are getting hammered with 5GHz interference > especially with DFS hits, the normal channels are overcrowded... > Ubiquiti and Cambium is mostly what they are usinga few Mimosa out > there but I know one wisp who replaced all of his with Cambium and > 60Ghz AirFiber.. > Any ideas? > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Cat6 cable certification
Did your client give you the requirements? Is this for an RFP or for something internal? I would think that would guide you to the solution you need. This knowledge base article from Fluke goes over Verification, Qualification, and Certification - https://www.flukenetworks.com/knowledge-base/cableiq/verification-qualification-and-certification-cableiq CableIQ I think mostly falls in the qualification category... not certification. photograph Daniel White Co-Founder phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 > dmmoff...@gmail.com <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > December 10, 2021 at 11:39 > > I’ve never had to certify cables. Is there a type of test/report that > customers expect? > > There’s a Fluke CableIQ for <$1500 that stores 250 test results. > That’s really affordable but it doesn’t do the entire set of TIA-568 > tests, but it does do about 70% of the tests. Is anybody going to > complain? > > > > If that’s not the right tool, then what should I be looking at? > > > > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT Alec Baldwin
I'm nervous around anyone with a firearm because on principle I trust no one. I trust no firearm is unloaded unless I maintain possession and cleared it myself. Active Duty/former military is mostly an exception since you act without respect there you can expect to have your face in the dirt pretty quick. I get though that you can't expect actors to know all the firearms they handle. The system they use is supposed to have multiple fail safes so that the actor doesn't need to be a weapons expert. I think the system works considering how few on set accidents have happened... and obviously procedure wasn't followed here. As I said, I think Alec is in some serious trouble as a producer... but I doubt anything will happen criminally in regards to him pulling the trigger. photograph Daniel White Co-Founder phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 > Bill Prince <mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > December 2, 2021 at 09:55 > > You and me both. When I'm in the presence of people who (I feel) are a > bit too cavalier with a firearm, I get very nervous, and my natural > instinct is to get the hell away from that person. I was taught to > treat every firearm as if it is loaded. My bolt action rifle, I keep > the bolt stored separate from the rifle. I don't put it in until I am > ready to use it. > > > bp > > On 12/2/2021 7:46 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > > > Chuck McCown via AF <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > December 2, 2021 at 08:46 > One junk news article has another person on the set saying his finger > was on the trigger guard. > Whether single or double action, a revolver takes some force to fire. > I supposed if it was fully cocked and adjusted to have a hair trigger > it is possible to be extra easy to touch off. > > I just cannot imagine someone handing me a firearm expecting me to > wave it around in the general direction of people and me not checking > it first. I would never trust someone’s word on that. > > *From:* Bill Prince > *Sent:* Thursday, December 2, 2021 8:28 AM > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Alec Baldwin > > > From where I'm sitting there had to be multiple screw ups. First is > the security of the weapons. Based on what I've read (and I don't know > how much of it is true), the weapons were on a table; they had been > used for "target practice" during breaks; the armorer had declared > them to be "cold" (in my mind that means there is nothing in the > chambers; not blanks, not anything). > > > > If it was a dress rehearsal, I would expect that there were multiple > cameras running. Digital film does not cost enough to matter, and it > can be used to determine if they're getting the shots they want. > > > > > > bp > > On 12/2/2021 5:31 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > Bill Prince <mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > December 2, 2021 at 08:28 > > From where I'm sitting there had to be multiple screw ups. First is > the security of the weapons. Based on what I've read (and I don't know > how much of it is true), the weapons were on a table; they had been > used for "target practice" during breaks; the armorer had declared > them to be "cold" (in my mind that means there is nothing in the > chambers; not blanks, not anything). > > > If it was a dress rehearsal, I would expect that there were multiple > cameras running. Digital film does not cost enough to matter, and it > can be used to determine if they're getting the shots they want. > > > > bp > > On 12/2/2021 5:31 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > > Mike Hammett <mailto:af...@ics-il.net> > December 2, 2021 at 06:31 > Something a lot of people are leaving out is that movie set gun safety > is likely quite different than real life gun safety. Likely, the same > rules don't apply in both scenarios. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQY
Re: [AFMUG] OT Alec Baldwin
That is what most of the people actually involved in making movies that have commented publicly about it have said. Sounds like he is potentially in bigger trouble as a producer on the movie. photograph Daniel White Co-Founder phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 > Mike Hammett <mailto:af...@ics-il.net> > December 2, 2021 at 06:31 > Something a lot of people are leaving out is that movie set gun safety > is likely quite different than real life gun safety. Likely, the same > rules don't apply in both scenarios. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > > *From: *"Steve Jones" > *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" > *Sent: *Wednesday, December 1, 2021 8:55:03 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Alec Baldwin > > Amazing how less dead that lady would be if this guy wasnt handling a > magic gun pointing it at people on a scene that had no call to point > at people in an industry where you dont point firearms at people with > a firearm you dont point at anything youre not prepared to destroy... > but sure, he didnt pull the trigger. Totally trust a mope who beats > people up over parking spots > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > Steve Jones <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > December 1, 2021 at 19:55 > Amazing how less dead that lady would be if this guy wasnt handling a > magic gun pointing it at people on a scene that had no call to point > at people in an industry where you dont point firearms at people with > a firearm you dont point at anything youre not prepared to destroy... > but sure, he didnt pull the trigger. Totally trust a mope who beats > people up over parking spots > > > > Chuck McCown via AF <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > December 1, 2021 at 18:03 > I have a few heirloom antique 22 cal rifles. Nothing against guns but > I don’t own a handgun. I have historically had a very short fuse and > quick to fight. I have mellowed with age but I still don’t want to > give myself that option. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > Jaime Solorza <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > December 1, 2021 at 17:24 > My dad was USMC sniper...he loved to hunt and taught my brothers and > me how to shoot rifles and hand guns...my youngest brother had the > best aim...he took us hunting...thus is back in mid 1960s to > 1972...folks divorced .. > None of us own gunswe prefer fishing and crossbows... > Only one who ever carried a gun was my sister when she worked for a > three letter guvment(in my best Steve Jones voice) agency and my son > in combat and afterwards as Air Force MP... > Neither own guns now... > Stay safe > > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines
Ours is Faxback based. Phaxio is another one. photograph Daniel White Co-Founder phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 > Nate Burke <mailto:n...@blastcomm.com> > November 19, 2021 at 12:38 > What HTTPS solution are you using? > > On 11/19/2021 1:16 PM, Daniel White wrote: > > > > Daniel White <mailto:dwh...@atheral.com> > November 19, 2021 at 12:16 > If they insist on fax and the volume isn't crazy, HTTPS fax is an > awesome solution for this. We have never had an issue with it, and we > have 100+ ATAs out there using it in all sorts of situations. > > Otherwise POTS is generally my recommendation if FoIP/T.38 doesn't work. > > Chuck McCown via AF <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > November 19, 2021 at 11:57 > I just ran into this yesterday. > I wonder if it is a HIPPA thing or DEA thing where you can control the > end point of the conveyance of the information? > > IP is not as secure, perhaps, in someone’s mind. > > Them doctors loves their faxes. > > First FTTH customer I ever did was to a larger office full of > doctors. I talked them into swinging everything to me. > I payed to have the incumbent hook them back up to POTS after a few > days of trying. > The main doctor in this new office building was a friend of mine. > > I will never touch a doctor or pharmacy again. > > Fax and IP/SIP just do not play nice. > > *From:* Brian Webster > *Sent:* Friday, November 19, 2021 11:02 AM > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines > > > I think there is something about the law and a document being a legal > signature being an original or a fax. Laws haven’t caught up to > digital signatures or pictures of an original document. > > > > Thank you, > > Brian Webster > > www.wirelessmapping.com > > > > *From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke > *Sent:* Friday, November 19, 2021 12:38 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines > > > > One of my Physical therapy customers, all their patient documentation > is via fax. The therapist hand writes out the report for the patient, > then it's faxed to corporate where it's automagically sucked into the > customers digital file. So they send 100 faxes/day. You would think > that it should all be just entered right into the customers digital > file. > > On 11/19/2021 11:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > Brian Webster <mailto:i...@wirelessmapping.com> > November 19, 2021 at 11:02 > > I think there is something about the law and a document being a legal > signature being an original or a fax. Laws haven’t caught up to > digital signatures or pictures of an original document. > > > > Thank you, > > Brian Webster > > www.wirelessmapping.com > > > > *From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke > *Sent:* Friday, November 19, 2021 12:38 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines > > > > One of my Physical therapy customers, all their patient documentation > is via fax. The therapist hand writes out the report for the patient, > then it's faxed to corporate where it's automagically sucked into the > customers digital file. So they send 100 faxes/day. You would think > that it should all be just entered right into the customers digital > file. > > On 11/19/2021 11:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > > > > > Nate Burke <mailto:n...@blastcomm.com> > November 19, 2021 at 10:38 > One of my Physical therapy customers, all their patient documentation > is via fax. The therapist hand writes out the report for the patient, > then it's faxed to corporate where it's automagically sucked into the > customers digital file. So they send 100 faxes/day. You would think > that it should all be just entered right into the customers digital > file. > > On 11/19/2021 11:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines
If they insist on fax and the volume isn't crazy, HTTPS fax is an awesome solution for this. We have never had an issue with it, and we have 100+ ATAs out there using it in all sorts of situations. Otherwise POTS is generally my recommendation if FoIP/T.38 doesn't work. photograph Daniel White Co-Founder phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 > Chuck McCown via AF <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > November 19, 2021 at 11:57 > I just ran into this yesterday. > I wonder if it is a HIPPA thing or DEA thing where you can control the > end point of the conveyance of the information? > > IP is not as secure, perhaps, in someone’s mind. > > Them doctors loves their faxes. > > First FTTH customer I ever did was to a larger office full of > doctors. I talked them into swinging everything to me. > I payed to have the incumbent hook them back up to POTS after a few > days of trying. > The main doctor in this new office building was a friend of mine. > > I will never touch a doctor or pharmacy again. > > Fax and IP/SIP just do not play nice. > > *From:* Brian Webster > *Sent:* Friday, November 19, 2021 11:02 AM > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines > > > I think there is something about the law and a document being a legal > signature being an original or a fax. Laws haven’t caught up to > digital signatures or pictures of an original document. > > > > Thank you, > > Brian Webster > > www.wirelessmapping.com > > > > *From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke > *Sent:* Friday, November 19, 2021 12:38 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines > > > > One of my Physical therapy customers, all their patient documentation > is via fax. The therapist hand writes out the report for the patient, > then it's faxed to corporate where it's automagically sucked into the > customers digital file. So they send 100 faxes/day. You would think > that it should all be just entered right into the customers digital > file. > > On 11/19/2021 11:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > Brian Webster <mailto:i...@wirelessmapping.com> > November 19, 2021 at 11:02 > > I think there is something about the law and a document being a legal > signature being an original or a fax. Laws haven’t caught up to > digital signatures or pictures of an original document. > > > > Thank you, > > Brian Webster > > www.wirelessmapping.com > > > > *From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke > *Sent:* Friday, November 19, 2021 12:38 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines > > > > One of my Physical therapy customers, all their patient documentation > is via fax. The therapist hand writes out the report for the patient, > then it's faxed to corporate where it's automagically sucked into the > customers digital file. So they send 100 faxes/day. You would think > that it should all be just entered right into the customers digital > file. > > On 11/19/2021 11:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > > > > > Nate Burke <mailto:n...@blastcomm.com> > November 19, 2021 at 10:38 > One of my Physical therapy customers, all their patient documentation > is via fax. The therapist hand writes out the report for the patient, > then it's faxed to corporate where it's automagically sucked into the > customers digital file. So they send 100 faxes/day. You would think > that it should all be just entered right into the customers digital > file. > > On 11/19/2021 11:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > Mike Hammett <mailto:af...@ics-il.net> > November 19, 2021 at 10:33 > For some, it's because they're old. > > For others, it's because their industry is a dumpster fire (insurance, > medical, etc.). > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.
Re: [AFMUG] VoIP SMS campaign fees
Any messaging that is sent by a business has to be registered. "Customer Care" is one of the categories. Whomever you use for SMS/MMS will work with you on the process. photograph Daniel White Co-Founder phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 > Dennis Burgess <mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net> > November 16, 2021 at 06:42 > > But again, what if I am not using it for marketing. We were planning > on putting a text notification system in our helpdesk, that would > inform customers what updates occurred with their ticket. That is not > marketing? How does this fit in? > > > > > > *LTI-Full_175px* > > *Dennis Burgess* > > * > *Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” > > *Link Technologies, Inc*-- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services > > *Office*: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net > <http://www.linktechs.net/> > > Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com > > Need MikroTik Cloud Management: https://cloud.linktechs.net > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of * Mike Hammett > *Sent:* Tuesday, November 16, 2021 7:27 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] VoIP SMS campaign fees > > > > > > Mike Hammett <mailto:af...@ics-il.net> > November 16, 2021 at 06:26 > That's just an extension of your personal phone number. It's not > (supposed to be) used for marketing campaigns. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > > *From: *"Robert Andrews" > *To: *af@af.afmug.com > *Sent: *Monday, November 15, 2021 3:34:36 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] VoIP SMS campaign fees > > I wonder if we will lose messages.android.com > > On 11/15/21 12:41 PM, Nate Burke wrote: > > How do you send an SMS from a computer to a phone? Doesn't there have > > to be an intermediary system in there somewhere, Be it Email or an > API? > > Maybe DOD number would be the more correct term, the number that is > > sourced on the SMS message when it enters the mobile carrier network. > > > > On 11/15/2021 2:36 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > >> I really don’t get why DIDs are called out. You can send SMS from any > >> computer to any phone. Does DID not mean “Direct Inward Dial” in this > >> context? > >> *From:* Cameron Crum > >> *Sent:* Monday, November 15, 2021 1:30 PM > >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] VoIP SMS campaign fees > >> Yes this is a new requirement by the carriers. It is their way of > >> keeping spam down. Everyone who uses sms is going to have to do this. > >> Full implementation has been pushed out many times, but it looks like > >> they are finally going to start forcing it. > >> On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 2:24 PM Nate Burke wrote: > >> > >> I think so? This is from the TOS you have to accept before any > >> payment is made at campaignregistry.com > >> <http://campaignregistry.com>. I think you can register 49 DID's > >> per Campaign. > >> > >> But I'm guessing that each business would have to be a separate > >> campaign. > >> > >> > >> > >> On 11/15/2021 2:15 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > >>> So just DIDs and not just regular lines? > >>> > >>> -Original Message- From: Nate Burke Sent: Monday, > >>> November 15, 2021 1:08 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] VoIP > >>> SMS campaign fees > >>> I saw a notice from Voip Innovations that any business DID's that > >>> send SMS messages to a consumer in any way now have to be > >>> registered with 'Campaignregistry.com' Looks like this requires > >>> a $200 signup, and then potentially $10/month/DID
Re: [AFMUG] VoIP SMS campaign fees
If you have a 10DLC... then it applies. Volume is only relevant to the charges. photograph Daniel White Co-Founder phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 > Dennis Burgess <mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net> > November 15, 2021 at 15:16 > > The next question is what if you don’t need 10 messages per second, > something like maybe 100 messages per day? > > > > Does this still apply? > > > > * * > > *LTI-Full_175px* > > *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer > MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP > Certified * > > Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” > > *Link Technologies, Inc*-- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services > > *Office*: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net > <http://www.linktechs.net/> > > Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of * Cameron Crum > *Sent:* Monday, November 15, 2021 4:10 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] VoIP SMS campaign fees > > > > Here is a decent explanation of the program. > > > > https://telnyx.com/resources/what-is-10dlc > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 3:35 PM Robert Andrews <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote: > > > > Cameron Crum <mailto:cc...@murcevilo.com> > November 15, 2021 at 15:10 > Here is a decent explanation of the program. > > https://telnyx.com/resources/what-is-10dlc > > > > > Robert Andrews <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com> > November 15, 2021 at 14:34 > I wonder if we will lose messages.android.com > > > > Nate Burke <mailto:n...@blastcomm.com> > November 15, 2021 at 13:41 > How do you send an SMS from a computer to a phone? Doesn't there have > to be an intermediary system in there somewhere, Be it Email or an > API? Maybe DOD number would be the more correct term, the number that > is sourced on the SMS message when it enters the mobile carrier network. > > On 11/15/2021 2:36 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > > Chuck McCown via AF <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > November 15, 2021 at 13:36 > I really don’t get why DIDs are called out. You can send SMS from any > computer to any phone. Does DID not mean “Direct Inward Dial” in this > context? > > *From:* Cameron Crum > *Sent:* Monday, November 15, 2021 1:30 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] VoIP SMS campaign fees > > Yes this is a new requirement by the carriers. It is their way of > keeping spam down. Everyone who uses sms is going to have to do this. > Full implementation has been pushed out many times, but it looks like > they are finally going to start forcing it. > > > > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] VoIP SMS campaign fees
DID shouldn't be used. 10DLC is the correct terminology. photograph Daniel White Co-Founder phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 > Chuck McCown via AF <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > November 15, 2021 at 13:36 > I really don’t get why DIDs are called out. You can send SMS from any > computer to any phone. Does DID not mean “Direct Inward Dial” in this > context? > > *From:* Cameron Crum > *Sent:* Monday, November 15, 2021 1:30 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] VoIP SMS campaign fees > > Yes this is a new requirement by the carriers. It is their way of > keeping spam down. Everyone who uses sms is going to have to do this. > Full implementation has been pushed out many times, but it looks like > they are finally going to start forcing it. > > > > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > Cameron Crum <mailto:cc...@murcevilo.com> > November 15, 2021 at 13:30 > Yes this is a new requirement by the carriers. It is their way of > keeping spam down. Everyone who uses sms is going to have to do this. > Full implementation has been pushed out many times, but it looks > like they are finally going to start forcing it. > > > > > > > Nate Burke <mailto:n...@blastcomm.com> > November 15, 2021 at 13:23 > I think so? This is from the TOS you have to accept before any > payment is made at campaignregistry.com. I think you can register 49 > DID's per Campaign. > > But I'm guessing that each business would have to be a separate > campaign. > > > > On 11/15/2021 2:15 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > > Chuck McCown via AF <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > November 15, 2021 at 13:15 > So just DIDs and not just regular lines? > > -Original Message- From: Nate Burke Sent: Monday, November 15, > 2021 1:08 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] VoIP SMS campaign fees > I saw a notice from Voip Innovations that any business DID's that send > SMS messages to a consumer in any way now have to be registered with > 'Campaignregistry.com' Looks like this requires a $200 signup, and > then potentially $10/month/DID. Anyone already gone through this? > Talking to VI, it seems they're not even sure, but it's a VI > requirement by Dec 15. > > The whole process seems confusing. Luckily I only have 1 customer > that Uses the SMS services, and I have it setup on our office number > so customers can text in requests, and pictures (which we have never > publicized, but happens frequently) > > VI Makes it seem like non-compliance will be expensive. > $10,000/violation keeps being referenced. > > Nate Burke <mailto:n...@blastcomm.com> > November 15, 2021 at 13:08 > I saw a notice from Voip Innovations that any business DID's that send > SMS messages to a consumer in any way now have to be registered with > 'Campaignregistry.com' Looks like this requires a $200 signup, and > then potentially $10/month/DID. Anyone already gone through this? > Talking to VI, it seems they're not even sure, but it's a VI > requirement by Dec 15. > > The whole process seems confusing. Luckily I only have 1 customer > that Uses the SMS services, and I have it setup on our office number > so customers can text in requests, and pictures (which we have never > publicized, but happens frequently) > > VI Makes it seem like non-compliance will be expensive. > $10,000/violation keeps being referenced. > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] VoIP SMS campaign fees
Nate, I doubt you need to become a CSP... VI should be able to act as the CSP for you if you only have one client. For Atheral - we are a CSP. Any ISP that has SMS/MMS with us will be contacts in the next 24-48 hours. We were told December 1st BTW... not December 15th... but that could just be to try to have everyone in compliance by Dec 31st. photograph Daniel White Co-Founder phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 > Nate Burke <mailto:n...@blastcomm.com> > November 15, 2021 at 13:08 > I saw a notice from Voip Innovations that any business DID's that send > SMS messages to a consumer in any way now have to be registered with > 'Campaignregistry.com' Looks like this requires a $200 signup, and > then potentially $10/month/DID. Anyone already gone through this? > Talking to VI, it seems they're not even sure, but it's a VI > requirement by Dec 15. > > The whole process seems confusing. Luckily I only have 1 customer > that Uses the SMS services, and I have it setup on our office number > so customers can text in requests, and pictures (which we have never > publicized, but happens frequently) > > VI Makes it seem like non-compliance will be expensive. > $10,000/violation keeps being referenced. > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Anthem Broadband
Anthem is just rebranded Safelink. Kevin Neal and crew. I've got a few people I can connect you with if needed. photograph Daniel White Co-Founder phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 > Chuck McCown via AF <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > October 19, 2021 at 11:06 > Anyone know anyone at Anthem? > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP
So with most VoIP devices... you can point them to an auto-provision server. When they boot up, they send a request (FTP, HTTP, HTTPS) for the config file based on MAC address, the provisioning server creates the file or serves up a file already created. There is no way to direct an ONT to a provisioning server on boot-up that isn't Calix. That is where the ONT expects to find the SIP credentials. There is no way to have the Calix Cloud pull credentials based on MAC address from a SIP provisioning server. So the only option you have is to manually add the credentials by first creating them on the VoIP platform and then entering them into the Calix Cloud. There could be a way to do this via API... and really there isn't any reason I can think of why there is not. But Calix has a hell of a play to pay mentality and partnering with them in any way as a vendor is a lot of paperwork and bureaucracy. photograph Daniel White Co-Founder phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 > D. Bernardi <mailto:dberna...@zitomedia.net> > October 15, 2021 at 11:49 > At 01:19 PM 10/15/2021, you wrote: >> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; >> boundary="D1116C3466A99CAA51BD3FBE" >> Content-Language: en-US >> >> Carl, >> >> We have many ISPs reselling our VoIP service using Calix ONTs >> (Gigacenter and Gigaspire). There is no auto-provision option which >> is a shame. > > > Is TR-069 not an option to provision outside of OMCI? > > >> Daniel White >> Co-Founder >> phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 >> direct: +1 (702) 470-2766 >>> Carl Peterson >>> October 13, 2021 at 09:21 >>> our Gigacenters and P series ONTs all have POTs jacks. Any chance >>> you could point me in the right direction as to how to start >>> configuring VOIP service? I have no idea how to even begin >>> thinking about it.  >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Carl Peterson >>> >>> PORT NETWORKS >>> >>> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 >>> >>> Baltimore, MD 21202 >>> >>> (410) 637-3707 >>> >>> >>> Chuck McCown via AF >>> October 13, 2021 at 07:59 >>> If you use onts that have pots jacks, yes. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> >>> >>> Carl Peterson >>> October 13, 2021 at 06:27 >>> I've got a few business customers who would like to add phone >>> service. In the past we have just set them up with a service like >>> Goto/Jive. Is it possible to configure something like this and >>> then just use the POTS port on the ONTs? GPON4 card says it >>> supports VOIP.  >>> >>> E7-2_GPON-4r2 Voice–NativeSIP/VoIPandTDMGatewaysupport >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Carl Peterson >>> >>> PORT NETWORKS >>> >>> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 >>> >>> Baltimore, MD 21202 >>> >>> (410) 637-3707 >>> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > Daniel White <mailto:dwh...@atheral.com> > October 15, 2021 at 10:19 > Carl, > > We have many ISPs reselling our VoIP service using Calix ONTs > (Gigacenter and Gigaspire). There is no auto-provision option which > is a shame. > > Carl Peterson <mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com> > October 13, 2021 at 09:21 > our Gigacenters and P series ONTs all have POTs jacks. Any chance you > could point me in the right direction as to how to start configuring > VOIP service? I have no idea how to even begin thinking about it. > > > > -- > > Carl Peterson > > *PORT NETWORKS* > > 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 > > Baltimore, MD 21202 > > (410) 637-3707 > > > > Chuck McCown via AF <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > October 13, 2021 at 07:59 > If you use onts that have pots jacks, yes. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > Carl Peterson <mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com> > October 13, 2021 at 06:27 > I've got a few business customers who would like to add phone > service. In the past we have just set them up with a service like > Goto/Jive. Is it possible to configure something like this and then > just use the POTS port on the ONTs? GPON4 card says it supports VOIP. > > E7-2_GPON-4r2 Voice–NativeSIP/VoIPandTDMGatewaysupport > > -- > > Carl Peterson > > *PORT NETWORKS* > > 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 > > Baltimore, MD 21202 > > (410) 637-3707 > > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP
Failover rules when a device is offline is pretty straightforward. The e911 disclosure they have to sign should be pretty clear things won't work if the internet no longer works. photograph Daniel White Co-Founder phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 > Steve Jones <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > October 13, 2021 at 10:43 > One thing I hate about provider VOIP in a lot of cases is that when > their service goes down, their phone options are down. Got/Jive > solutions offer failover options. We had a few of our contract > services customers move to cableco based VOIP bundled with their data > package against advice. When their service goes down they want to know > why their phones stop working with no failover to cell or backup > internet. "I told you so" is a hard concept for them to grasp when > theyve gone off grid > > > > Carl Peterson <mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com> > October 13, 2021 at 09:21 > our Gigacenters and P series ONTs all have POTs jacks. Any chance you > could point me in the right direction as to how to start configuring > VOIP service? I have no idea how to even begin thinking about it. > > > > -- > > Carl Peterson > > *PORT NETWORKS* > > 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 > > Baltimore, MD 21202 > > (410) 637-3707 > > > > Chuck McCown via AF <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > October 13, 2021 at 07:59 > If you use onts that have pots jacks, yes. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > Carl Peterson <mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com> > October 13, 2021 at 06:27 > I've got a few business customers who would like to add phone > service. In the past we have just set them up with a service like > Goto/Jive. Is it possible to configure something like this and then > just use the POTS port on the ONTs? GPON4 card says it supports VOIP. > > E7-2_GPON-4r2 Voice–NativeSIP/VoIPandTDMGatewaysupport > > -- > > Carl Peterson > > *PORT NETWORKS* > > 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 > > Baltimore, MD 21202 > > (410) 637-3707 > > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP
Carl, We have many ISPs reselling our VoIP service using Calix ONTs (Gigacenter and Gigaspire). There is no auto-provision option which is a shame. photograph Daniel White Co-Founder phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 > Carl Peterson <mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com> > October 13, 2021 at 09:21 > our Gigacenters and P series ONTs all have POTs jacks. Any chance you > could point me in the right direction as to how to start configuring > VOIP service? I have no idea how to even begin thinking about it. > > > > -- > > Carl Peterson > > *PORT NETWORKS* > > 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 > > Baltimore, MD 21202 > > (410) 637-3707 > > > > Chuck McCown via AF <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > October 13, 2021 at 07:59 > If you use onts that have pots jacks, yes. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > Carl Peterson <mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com> > October 13, 2021 at 06:27 > I've got a few business customers who would like to add phone > service. In the past we have just set them up with a service like > Goto/Jive. Is it possible to configure something like this and then > just use the POTS port on the ONTs? GPON4 card says it supports VOIP. > > E7-2_GPON-4r2 Voice–NativeSIP/VoIPandTDMGatewaysupport > > -- > > Carl Peterson > > *PORT NETWORKS* > > 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 > > Baltimore, MD 21202 > > (410) 637-3707 > > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] FCC and residential antennas (OTARD)
I'm not sure what you mean by asking for money, but basically what this did is change the OTARD ruling to cover antennas placed on a residence used as an access point (or for a mesh design like Tarana). The original OTARD ruling only covered antennas used for subscribers. You might have already been doing it... but the former OTARD ruling didn't protect you from HOA's or local governments prohibiting the practice. photograph Daniel White Co-Founder phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 > Jan-GAMs <mailto:j.vank...@grnacres.net> > August 27, 2021 at 12:51 > > My eyes cloud-over when reading something this large. Can someone > "bottom-line" this thing? Can I go ask for money and get it now? > > On 8/26/21 09:18, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > > > Chuck McCown via AF <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > August 26, 2021 at 10:18 > But they can say don’t get on the roof for any reason. Don’t dig a > hole to mount a tower. Don’t attach anything to anything. > > *From:* Adam Moffett > *Sent:* Thursday, August 26, 2021 6:23 AM > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FCC and residential antennas (OTARD) > > > Property is still property. A landlord can't tell the tenant "no > antenna", but the landlord can say "no holes in my building." > > So kind of, but no not really. > > > > > > On 8/25/2021 5:24 PM, Steve Jones wrote: > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > Adam Moffett <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > August 26, 2021 at 06:23 > > Property is still property. A landlord can't tell the tenant "no > antenna", but the landlord can say "no holes in my building." > > So kind of, but no not really. > > > > On 8/25/2021 5:24 PM, Steve Jones wrote: > > > Steve Jones <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > August 25, 2021 at 15:24 > Am I reading this shit right? Property owners can be forced to be > transmit locations? > > > > Jacob Turner <mailto:ja...@happycycling.com> > August 25, 2021 at 15:06 > Yes: > > https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2021/02/25/2021-01304/fcc-modernizes-siting-rule-for-small-hub-and-relay-wireless-antennas > > -- > Jacob Turner > > > > > > > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] FCC and residential antennas (OTARD)
You can give 100% of the credit to WISPA. This was not on the FCC agenda at all. WISPA lobbied the FCC to turn it into an NPRM, how to expand it, and why. There was plenty of providers that put support behind it... and of course the HOA lobbying groups fought against it but we won the day. It would have gone into effect sooner but it was caught up in the pause the Biden administration imposed for any new regulation changes at the beginning of the year. If you are not a WISPA member... this is the type of stuff WISPA is fighting for. photograph Daniel White Co-Founder phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 > Sterling Jacobson <mailto:sterl...@avative.net> > August 25, 2021 at 17:45 > > Yeah, more for governing entities like HOAs etc that try to regulate > what the home owner can/wants to do with their own roof/property or > access to broadband for their owned unit. > > You couldn’t just pick any random roof and install any random > equipment on it under OTARD. The property owner still needs to be a > willing participant and probably also served by the equipment at some > capacity. > > But it does allow specifically now to re-distribute from that same > owners property at some capacity. Which was sort of implied before > under OTARD kind of, but now it’s specific and helpful for mini-pops. > > > > Not sure if WISPA had a hand at crafting that with them, but someone > deserves some credit for broadening OTARD. > > > > I don’t think personally I would try and go against an HOA and try to > get under specific contract or easement with all property owners and > their governing bodies first. > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of * Chuck McCown via AF > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 25, 2021 5:21 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Cc:* Chuck McCown > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FCC and residential antennas (OTARD) > > > > I view this more to tell HOAs where to stuff it. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > Chuck McCown via AF <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > August 25, 2021 at 17:21 > I view this more to tell HOAs where to stuff it. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > Bill Prince <mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > August 25, 2021 at 15:30 > > That's not the way I read it. It prevents state & local governments > from imposing restrictions, but leaves the decision making up to the > people who are owners/operators. > > > bp > > On 8/25/2021 2:24 PM, Steve Jones wrote: > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Installer Drill Bits
For the cheap Home Depot ones we had a bit sharpener (I think it was a Drill Doctor) that would work pretty good. I feel like I was more likely to lose the bit than for it to go dull. photograph Daniel White Co-Founder phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 > Nate Burke <mailto:n...@blastcomm.com> > August 9, 2021 at 16:02 > We've been getting the installer drill bits at the local big box > store. The 1/4"x18" bit with the hole in the flute to hook the wire > on and pull back. They are cheap, and have the lifespan to show. > Drill a couple aluminum siding houses and it's time for a new one. I'm > looking to get them higher quality ones. They seem hard to locate at > other distributors. Am I calling them the wrong thing? I was > searching for either 'bell hanger bit' or 'installer bit' I found > some on Amazon, but they are probably about the same quality as the > bigbox ones. > > I found one at Grainer that is backordered several weeks, and I > haven't found one at McMaster yet. Am I calling them the wrong thing? > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Building a CO
The listing says the HVAC units have been replaced. So at least they are not 23 years old :-) New those shelters are $40k-$50k I think photograph Daniel White Co-Founder phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 > Josh Luthman <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > July 30, 2021 at 07:59 > Probably about the same. But built in 2021 versus 1998. Just think > about supporting those 23 year old HVAC systems and paying that bill > every month. Now think about spending an extra $2500 for modern ones. > > Josh Luthman > 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > > TJ Trout <mailto:t...@voltbb.com> > July 29, 2021 at 17:06 > Dual HVAC + 200a electric, could you really build that cheaper? > > > > Josh Luthman <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > July 29, 2021 at 12:55 > 16k for a 1998 building...woof... > > Josh Luthman > 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > > Daniel White <mailto:dwh...@atheral.com> > July 28, 2021 at 14:25 > A tower shelter bolted to a concrete pad is exactly what many > companies use. There really isn't any difference between that and a > structure built on site to the same spec. Usually they are prefab > concrete. > > These are the design criteria Fiberbond builds to for instance - > https://www.fibrebond.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Concrete-Generic-Specifications-2016.pdf > > https://www.fibrebond.com/markets/telecom/ > > Used one for sale - > https://telepp.com/product/11-5x22-fibrebond-concrete-shelter/ > > Chris Fabien <mailto:ch...@lakenetmi.com> > July 28, 2021 at 07:39 > We need to upgrade a roadside FTTH cabinet to a small building. I've > never started from scratch before. It will house maybe 2 racks of > equipment. I'm thinking 10x15 or 10x20 footprint. I know a used tower > shelter is an option but I'm leaning towards a real building, maybe > concrete for tornado resistance. > > Probably two small Mini Splits for cooling. Power, I'm not sure, > probably dual 48v system although we may have some 120 equipment. > Propane backup generator or course. Probably needs some propane heat > also for winter in Michigan but maybe I could just run the right mini > split and some electric heat for super cold days. > > Interested in any other ideas and what stuff do I need to consider > that's not even on my radar. > > Thanks, > Chris > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Building a CO
A tower shelter bolted to a concrete pad is exactly what many companies use. There really isn't any difference between that and a structure built on site to the same spec. Usually they are prefab concrete. These are the design criteria Fiberbond builds to for instance - https://www.fibrebond.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Concrete-Generic-Specifications-2016.pdf https://www.fibrebond.com/markets/telecom/ Used one for sale - https://telepp.com/product/11-5x22-fibrebond-concrete-shelter/ photograph Daniel White Co-Founder phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 > Chris Fabien <mailto:ch...@lakenetmi.com> > July 28, 2021 at 07:39 > We need to upgrade a roadside FTTH cabinet to a small building. I've > never started from scratch before. It will house maybe 2 racks of > equipment. I'm thinking 10x15 or 10x20 footprint. I know a used tower > shelter is an option but I'm leaning towards a real building, maybe > concrete for tornado resistance. > > Probably two small Mini Splits for cooling. Power, I'm not sure, > probably dual 48v system although we may have some 120 equipment. > Propane backup generator or course. Probably needs some propane heat > also for winter in Michigan but maybe I could just run the right mini > split and some electric heat for super cold days. > > Interested in any other ideas and what stuff do I need to consider > that's not even on my radar. > > Thanks, > Chris > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political
Those are memories I'd rather forget. We did have a choice on the anthrax vaccine, and had to sign a waiver to take it. I figured what the hell... the Marines owned my body at that point anyways. photograph Daniel White Co-Founder phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 > Jan-GAMs <mailto:j.vank...@grnacres.net> > July 23, 2021 at 14:23 > > Back in "boot" we lined up by the hundreds and got shots till our arms > bled. I don't recall being asked to volunteer or choose which shot I > was going to get. They did have the keys to the brig, I didn't. > > On 7/23/21 1:08 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > > > Chuck McCown via AF <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > July 23, 2021 at 14:08 > She was imprisoned multiple times. She lost her liberty, certainly > much more of a heavy hand than being required to get vaccinated. The > government has a duty of care as part of being the soverign. They > must act to protect the public. My grandfather was a cop whose duty > included forcibly removing contagious people to that “pest house” for > quarantine. I think a vaccine requirement is what the government > should do to protect the greatest portion of the population. Anyone > here been in the military and take a pass on the shots? > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > David Coudron <mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com> > July 23, 2021 at 13:59 > > Unfortunately I don’t know the particulars of typhoid Mary’s > situation. I understand a bit of the folk lore, but don’t only have > an idea of what that story is about. My basic understanding was that > an individual who knew they were sick was intentionally infecting > others. Certainly a despicable act if that was the case. To better > put that in the context of today’s situation I would want to know > these things: > > 1. Was there typhoid vaccine that was generally available? > 2. What is the mortality rate of typhoid fever versus covid? I > suspect typhoid was significantly higher, but don’t have any data > to back that up. > 3. I believe there is case law to suggest intentionally infecting > people is a pretty serious crime and after the initial stupid > college intentional infection parties, we don’t really have people > intentionally trying to infect others. > > > > If we extend that argument to other diseases, will we now require flu > vaccine? It has always been a “good idea”, especially for those in > high risk health or age groups. But it has never been required. We > don’t even require vaccine for measles, shingles, and a myriad of > other annoying and/or dangerous diseases. And these have FDA > approved vaccines. > > > > However, I would reiterate this: > > If the vaccine works, and I have been vaccinated, why do I care if > others haven’t? Am I worried the vaccine doesn’t work? Do I think > it is necessary to force people to take an experimental drug for their > own good will against their will? > > > > Regards, > > *From:* Chuck McCown > *Sent:* Friday, July 23, 2021 2:43 PM > *To:* David Coudron > *Cc:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political > > > > One question: Should Typhoid Mary have been allowed to just roam free? > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] STIR/SHAKEN non-tech
Your consultant should be able to help with that. More than likely you just need to write down some policies you probably already have on the books. A big part of this is being able to make a statement similar to this: We follow the best practices for vetting caller identity described by the NANC Call Authentication Trust Anchor Working Group. (https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-367133A1.pdf) We use TransNexus ClearIP which basically just required us to turn on some reporting to be compliant - https://transnexus.com/clearip/ There are two examples at the bottom of that page how it can work with Metaswitch The extension gives you until 2023 to implement STIR/SHAKEN. photograph Daniel White Co-Founder phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 > Mike Hammett <mailto:af...@ics-il.net> > June 23, 2021 at 13:15 > We have a consultant filing our mitigation plan (June 30 deadline) and > are working with Metaswitch\TNS on the technical aspects (seems like > we have until 2022 to do that). > > From some webinars I got the impression that we needed a variety of > policy and procedure changes to be compliant. Where is a good resource > to figure those out? > > Yes, I am working a variety of things in parallel in this project. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] strange outage
Sounds like a broadcast storm to me. What is the topology of your network? Routers at each tower, VLANs, etc.? Are you filtering multicast and broadcast traffic at the CPE/customer premises? photograph Daniel White Co-Founder phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 > Jan-GAMs <mailto:j.vank...@grnacres.net> > June 17, 2021 at 23:47 > We had a strange outage on one of our networks yesterday. At first we > thought it was one customer. The symptom was very low to non-existent > internet traffic. The complaint was my internet is not working! > > Upon testing I found that the complaining customer had for a speed > test about 0.14kbps for a speed to it's AP. So I went to their AP and > tested the speed back at them, it was about the same unusually slow > speed. Then I tested that AP to another AP and that speed was about > the same slow speed. So then I tested another customer and another > and then ended up testing just about everyone in the whole network. > Everyone was operating at an unusually slow speedtest to any other > device of about 0.1kbps to 0kbps. The whole network was down and yet > the UISP was indicating everyone was up and operating with even some > traffic in the 6-10 Mbps range which I'm sure was fake traffic as none > of the devices tested would pass anything above a few kbps. > > A reboot of every device resolved the issue. > > Our gear is Ubiquiti and I'm wondering has anyone else using Ubiquiti > been experiencing anything like what I just described? Is there a > known cause? > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] hiring a kid
Familial rules do not apply. You can pay him as a contractor by the job, but make sure you check all the boxes there. Otherwise pay him minimal wage. Do not do both. If your son is milking the job, then fire him. That teaches him the real world. Fucking over your kid only is going to make him assume that another boss taking advantage of him is okay. You only learn respect by being shown respect. photograph Daniel White Co-Founder phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 > Steve Jones <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > June 14, 2021 at 13:00 > Im not an owner, so I dont know that the familial rules apply to > employment. > > The boss has given tentative approval to hiring my boy in a part time > capacity. Im a literal slave driver, and cheap. Plus I want to guide > my kid in how to be an employee thats worth a crap, or at least > motivate him to never have to work for a bastard like me again. > > Mainly process data entry, basic troubleshooting assistance, learning > basic network/hardware operations of ISP, technical grunt work. > Minimal hours, preferably piece rate where possible, if Illinois > allows that, or whatever the lowest pay Illinois allows for 16 year > old, we could say hes a waitress and pay him waitress pay. > Hes completed > > https://www.khanacademy.org/computing/computers-and-internet/xcae6f4a7ff015e7d:the-internet > as a requirement to even have me ask you about it, and will be > required to complete much of https://www.khanacademy.org/computing at > a defined pace. > > An example task would be going through CnMaestro and naming each > device (the last firmware overwrote device names not set into > cnmaestro back to the default. > > This is a time milkable job so Id rather it be piece rate, but I dont > know if you can mix piece rate and hourly wage. I dont know if minors > can be paid piece rate. > > I dont know if a family member of a non owner can be paid family wage. > > I assume just cause hes my kid doesnt mean he is an employee I can > beat, so ill have to have him clock out to beat him if he doesnt meet > deadlines. > > I like the khan academy, its low level info, but gives progress to see > what theyre doing. > > any of you guys ever hire employees kids as a favor? this is kind of a > favor hire on the bosses part since we dont have an internship role. I > assume we cant work his bones for nothing and call him an intern > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] SIP External Ringer
With the right parts and pieces, sure. Sometimes it can be a bit of fun to get everything to work just right if you are doing applications like paging. CyberData and Algo are the two companies known for SIP enabled stuff. An Algo 8180 would probably work great for this but yes it is ~$300. It does have a lot of extra features you may or may not use that can justify the cost. photograph Daniel White Co-Founder phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 > Nate Burke <mailto:n...@blastcomm.com> > May 21, 2021 at 11:40 > I have a request to get a 'Ringer they can hear in the warehouse' When > a call comes into a ring group. > > It looks like SIP ringers start around $300. Can't I just put in a > $30 ATA and a $30 analog ringer and get the same result? I'm guessing > an externally powered ringer would be the best, any recommendations? > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing
Visiting with a WISP that has way more than 20,000 subs last week, I was a bit surprised to hear they used Billmax and are very happy with it. Billmax probably doesn't get enough discussion in the community IMHO. photograph Daniel White Co-Founder phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 > Forrest Christian (List Account) <mailto:li...@packetflux.com> > May 6, 2021 at 16:14 > I'd also consider Billmax if you're looking for billing only. It's > less expensive because it doesn't have all of the bells and whistles. > > > > -- > - Forrest > > > Chuck McCown via AF <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > May 6, 2021 at 15:40 > Pretty sure we are gonna give it a go with plat. Worked fine for me > years ago. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > Jesse DuPont <mailto:jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net> > May 6, 2021 at 15:01 > We are current Plat customer (in one WISP, using Emerald in another - > they're both quite capable). In the Plat WISP, we're billing 6400 subs > using the free MSSQL license. No issues. > On 5/6/21 10:50 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: > > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] WISPAMERICA COVID
Matt I know I've pushed back some on your posts about this... but that one wasn't directed at you and was unfair of me to say. Please accept my apology because it clearly sounded like it was directed at you. Some were extremely passionate about this show not going well which still upsets me. Some WISPs make it very clear they want WISPA to fail... and it just boggles my mind. In some ways we may have been lucky... I know of one individual that tested positive the day before flying out and got really sick. Thankfully he didn't come or it could have been worse. The vaccine is not a silver bullet but clearly it helped. The Gaylord and WISPA staff did a great job making sure things like hand sanitizer were easy to find. I'm really excited about October. photograph Daniel White Co-Founder phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 > Matt Hoppes <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> > May 7, 2021 at 13:47 > Naw... not disappointment. If really we only ended up with one (and > presumably thereby association a few) COVID patients from a show of > this size that is good. > > Not at all what I expected... but good. > > > Daniel White <mailto:dwh...@atheral.com> > May 7, 2021 at 13:45 > I only had a alcoholic drink on Monday night and feel exhausted... but > that might just be from trying to catch up from the show. > > Also almost everyone that I spoke to that brought it up did say they > were vaccinated. I guess some will have to be disapointed it wasn't a > super spreader event... well except for jokes about the tornado. > > Josh Luthman <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > May 6, 2021 at 13:03 > Clearly only 99% effective. Or the one guy didn't drink. > > Josh Luthman > 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > > Harold Bledsoe <mailto:hrbled...@outlook.com> > May 6, 2021 at 12:15 > > It’s well-known that lots of alcohol prevents covid… > > > > *From: *AF on behalf of Caleb Knauer > > *Date: *Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 6:36 AM > *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] WISPAMERICA COVID > > No 'rona, but every morning I did wake up with a bad case of "I'm > getting too old for this". Luckily only temporary symptoms. > > On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 4:11 PM Matt Hoppes > wrote: > > > > I'm just curious more than anything... did any of you that went to > > WISPAMERICA catch COVID? > > > > -- > > AF mailing list > > AF@af.afmug.com > > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Faf.afmug.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Faf_af.afmug.comdata=04%7C01%7C%7Cebb6d116cc784de38e1308d91083331f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637558977944697093%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=RDEkRbXFgF%2FiK59nrMcdkHtyFaSDiDrm5GbgXYZnZHQ%3Dreserved=0 > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Faf.afmug.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Faf_af.afmug.comdata=04%7C01%7C%7Cebb6d116cc784de38e1308d91083331f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637558977944697093%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=RDEkRbXFgF%2FiK59nrMcdkHtyFaSDiDrm5GbgXYZnZHQ%3Dreserved=0 > > > > Caleb Knauer <mailto:cknauer.li...@gmail.com> > May 6, 2021 at 05:35 > No 'rona, but every morning I did wake up with a bad case of "I'm > getting too old for this". Luckily only temporary symptoms. > > On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 4:11 PM Matt Hoppes > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] WISPAMERICA COVID
I only had a alcoholic drink on Monday night and feel exhausted... but that might just be from trying to catch up from the show. Also almost everyone that I spoke to that brought it up did say they were vaccinated. I guess some will have to be disapointed it wasn't a super spreader event... well except for jokes about the tornado. photograph Daniel White Co-Founder phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 > Josh Luthman <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > May 6, 2021 at 13:03 > Clearly only 99% effective. Or the one guy didn't drink. > > Josh Luthman > 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > > Harold Bledsoe <mailto:hrbled...@outlook.com> > May 6, 2021 at 12:15 > > It’s well-known that lots of alcohol prevents covid… > > > > *From: *AF on behalf of Caleb Knauer > > *Date: *Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 6:36 AM > *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] WISPAMERICA COVID > > No 'rona, but every morning I did wake up with a bad case of "I'm > getting too old for this". Luckily only temporary symptoms. > > On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 4:11 PM Matt Hoppes > wrote: > > > > I'm just curious more than anything... did any of you that went to > > WISPAMERICA catch COVID? > > > > -- > > AF mailing list > > AF@af.afmug.com > > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Faf.afmug.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Faf_af.afmug.comdata=04%7C01%7C%7Cebb6d116cc784de38e1308d91083331f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637558977944697093%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=RDEkRbXFgF%2FiK59nrMcdkHtyFaSDiDrm5GbgXYZnZHQ%3Dreserved=0 > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Faf.afmug.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Faf_af.afmug.comdata=04%7C01%7C%7Cebb6d116cc784de38e1308d91083331f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637558977944697093%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=RDEkRbXFgF%2FiK59nrMcdkHtyFaSDiDrm5GbgXYZnZHQ%3Dreserved=0 > > > > Caleb Knauer <mailto:cknauer.li...@gmail.com> > May 6, 2021 at 05:35 > No 'rona, but every morning I did wake up with a bad case of "I'm > getting too old for this". Luckily only temporary symptoms. > > On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 4:11 PM Matt Hoppes > > Matt Hoppes <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> > May 5, 2021 at 14:10 > I'm just curious more than anything... did any of you that went to > WISPAMERICA catch COVID? > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?
The venue and city/county officials will have more to do with it than the state mask mandate (or lack thereof). WISPA has little to no say in what the rules are going to be. photograph Daniel White Co-Founder phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 > Jay Weekley <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net> > April 1, 2021 at 19:25 > I was wondering if everyone was going to be required by Wispa or > whoever to where a mask etc. > > > > Robert <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com> > April 1, 2021 at 19:00 > That answer would be totally ignoring the question. Texas isn't a > mask requirement state and what numbers they are reporting might not > have any relationship to the actual state of the disease at the time > of the conference. Wear a mask, maintain distance, don't eat indoors > or go to bars. Don't touch your face with your hands unless you have > disinfected your hands. Remember how well they prepared for an ice > storm for their citizens. Remember that their representatives get out > of town when there are problems in town. > > > > > > Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] <mailto:j...@brazoswifi.com> > April 1, 2021 at 18:46 > Don't lick the doorknobs. You'll be fine. > > Texas' numbers are way down and will be further down by the time the > show rolls around. > > Jim Bouse > Owner - Brazos WiFi > 979-985-5912 > http://www.brazoswifi.com > > -Original Message- > From: AF On Behalf Of Jay Weekley > Sent: Thursday, April 1, 2021 6:49 PM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA? > > Does anyone know what the Covid guidelines for the conference are? > > -- > *Jay Weekley* > *Cyber Broadband > * > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > https://www.avg.com > > > Jay Weekley <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net> > April 1, 2021 at 17:49 > Does anyone know what the Covid guidelines for the conference are? > > > > Forrest Christian (List Account) <mailto:li...@packetflux.com> > April 1, 2021 at 15:46 > We're waiting until WISPAPALOOZA in the fall... > > We had basically decided a while ago to not do any business travel > before June 1st, unless something major changed. So we didn't make > any plans. Part of what we were waiting for was for either cases to > settle down a lot more than they are even now, OR to be immunized to > reduce my risk factors down to where I was more comfortable in attending. > > As it turns out, it probably would have been ok for us to go as both > Debbie and I will be fully immunized a couple of weeks before the > show. But, unfortunately, as a vendor it's not really possible to get > everything together that quickly to attend. Plus we have some > internal projects in progress we would have to put on hold which can't > really be put on hold at this point. So we're going to have to miss > this one. > > Assuming everything continues trending in the right direction, we'll > be in vegas. We also have a show in I think August that we're > planning on attending. > > > > -- > - Forrest > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?
Yes Arielle is still with WISPA. photograph Daniel White Co-Founder phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 > Chuck McCown via AF <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > April 1, 2021 at 15:56 > I keep refraining from making a joke at Trina’s expense. > > I always got along with her just fine. I thought she was a hoot. > > But if I was to make a joke it might have gone something like this: > No way Wispapalooza will be a success unless they have some broad > walking the floor with a tumbler of whisky in her hand. > > But that would be mean, so I will refrain... > > Is her daughter still involved with the organization? > > *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account) > *Sent:* Thursday, April 1, 2021 3:46 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA? > > We're waiting until WISPAPALOOZA in the fall... > > We had basically decided a while ago to not do any business travel > before June 1st, unless something major changed. So we didn't make > any plans. Part of what we were waiting for was for either cases to > settle down a lot more than they are even now, OR to be immunized to > reduce my risk factors down to where I was more comfortable in attending. > > As it turns out, it probably would have been ok for us to go as both > Debbie and I will be fully immunized a couple of weeks before the > show. But, unfortunately, as a vendor it's not really possible to get > everything together that quickly to attend. Plus we have some > internal projects in progress we would have to put on hold which can't > really be put on hold at this point. So we're going to have to miss > this one. > > Assuming everything continues trending in the right direction, we'll > be in vegas. We also have a show in I think August that we're > planning on attending. > > > > -- > - Forrest > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > Forrest Christian (List Account) <mailto:li...@packetflux.com> > April 1, 2021 at 15:46 > We're waiting until WISPAPALOOZA in the fall... > > We had basically decided a while ago to not do any business travel > before June 1st, unless something major changed. So we didn't make > any plans. Part of what we were waiting for was for either cases to > settle down a lot more than they are even now, OR to be immunized to > reduce my risk factors down to where I was more comfortable in attending. > > As it turns out, it probably would have been ok for us to go as both > Debbie and I will be fully immunized a couple of weeks before the > show. But, unfortunately, as a vendor it's not really possible to get > everything together that quickly to attend. Plus we have some > internal projects in progress we would have to put on hold which can't > really be put on hold at this point. So we're going to have to miss > this one. > > Assuming everything continues trending in the right direction, we'll > be in vegas. We also have a show in I think August that we're > planning on attending. > > > > -- > - Forrest > > > dave <mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com> > March 31, 2021 at 12:49 > Im waiting for vegas show > > On 3/31/21 1:07 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > > > > Josh Luthman <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > March 31, 2021 at 12:07 > Definitely time to go to an actual show and I know I'll be there. Be > nice to see people in person finally. > > Josh Luthman > 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > > Daniel White <mailto:dwh...@atheral.com> > March 30, 2021 at 14:24 > Sam, > > I'll be there. I think turn-out will be pretty good all things > considering... but probably 2017-2018 type attendance levels than what > WISPA was projecting for WISPAmerica 2020 before it was canceled. > > WA historically has been the "engineering" show. Deeper dives. An > "Animal Farm" track (vendors doing their deep dives like the old and > much cherished Animal Farm shows). Turn-out is always smaller because > there are less business/accounting/HR focused tracks. > > Obviously the circumstances could be better - but WA has a very > different feel than WISPAPALOOZA. I love both shows (and I'm not just > saying that). > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?
Sam, I'll be there. I think turn-out will be pretty good all things considering... but probably 2017-2018 type attendance levels than what WISPA was projecting for WISPAmerica 2020 before it was canceled. WA historically has been the "engineering" show. Deeper dives. An "Animal Farm" track (vendors doing their deep dives like the old and much cherished Animal Farm shows). Turn-out is always smaller because there are less business/accounting/HR focused tracks. Obviously the circumstances could be better - but WA has a very different feel than WISPAPALOOZA. I love both shows (and I'm not just saying that). photograph Daniel White Co-Founder phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 > Sam Lambie <mailto:samtaos...@gmail.com> > March 30, 2021 at 14:00 > Just wondering if during these unprecedented times if there will be a > crowd or a ghost town in Grapevine TX. > I've been to the LV WISPaPalooza shows a couple of times, is this any > more informative and better organized or?? > > > > -- > -- > *Sam Lambie* > Taosnet Wireless Tech. > 575-758-7598 Office > www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com> > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Trouble Ticketing system
Amen. When we started the company I was more concerned with "it just works" than spending time fiddling around with it. I've already sent one or two e-mails to them about optional upgrades that basically said "piss off with your pricing." photograph Daniel White Co-Founder phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 > Forrest Christian (List Account) <mailto:li...@packetflux.com> > March 15, 2021 at 23:24 > Ok, let me try that again, without accidentally sending it mid-stream: > > I wish Zendesk was a fair bit less expensive, or else I would have > already ended up over there. Every time I look at Zendesk it seems > to get more and more expensive and although my irritation with my > existing system slowly is getting worse, it seems the zendesk pricing > is increasing at a faster rate than my irritation level. > > > > > -- > - Forrest > > > Forrest Christian (List Account) <mailto:li...@packetflux.com> > March 15, 2021 at 23:20 > I wish Zendesk was a fair bit less expensive, or else I would have > already ended up over there. Every time I look at Zendesk it seems > to get more and more expensive and although my irritation with my > existing system slowly is getting worse > > > > > > -- > - Forrest > > > Daniel White <mailto:dwh...@atheral.com> > March 15, 2021 at 20:11 > We use Zendesk at Atheral... and while their costs irritate the hell > out of me it works well... and the allure at this point of saving some > money doesn't outweigh the benefits of having a strong ticketing > platform that lots of other platforms integrate to. > > Forrest Christian (List Account) <mailto:li...@packetflux.com> > March 15, 2021 at 18:01 > My current "trouble ticketing" system at packetflux that we use for > cust...@packetflux.com <mailto:cust...@packetflux.com> continues to > irritate me on an intermittent basis. Just enough to make me want > something better, but not enough to piss me off enough to actually > switch to something new. > > Part of my hesitation is that ticketing systems seem to be like phone > systems - that is, once the newness wears off, you find all of the > horribleness under the surface. The one we're using (osticket) seems > less horrible than other's we've tried. > > I'm wondering if there is something out there that I haven't tried yet > which just works. Is anyone using a general ticketing system (as > opposed to something industry-specific) that they're really happy with? > > -- > - Forrest > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Trouble Ticketing system
We use Zendesk at Atheral... and while their costs irritate the hell out of me it works well... and the allure at this point of saving some money doesn't outweigh the benefits of having a strong ticketing platform that lots of other platforms integrate to. photograph Daniel White Co-Founder phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 > Forrest Christian (List Account) <mailto:li...@packetflux.com> > March 15, 2021 at 18:01 > My current "trouble ticketing" system at packetflux that we use for > cust...@packetflux.com <mailto:cust...@packetflux.com> continues to > irritate me on an intermittent basis. Just enough to make me want > something better, but not enough to piss me off enough to actually > switch to something new. > > Part of my hesitation is that ticketing systems seem to be like phone > systems - that is, once the newness wears off, you find all of the > horribleness under the surface. The one we're using (osticket) seems > less horrible than other's we've tried. > > I'm wondering if there is something out there that I haven't tried yet > which just works. Is anyone using a general ticketing system (as > opposed to something industry-specific) that they're really happy with? > > -- > - Forrest > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Need a mediatrix c711 overnight
Paul, How do you like the C711? I've been doing some lab testing of a C775 and an SB400 and while I wouldn't say my testing has been exhaustive so far... they seem like a good bang for the buck product. Thank you, photograph Daniel White Co-Founder phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 > Paul McCall <mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net> > February 12, 2021 at 02:50 > > Correct. We had to wait a day but got it from 888voip > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of * Steve Jones > *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2021 11:30 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Need a mediatrix c711 overnight > > > > Neobits says its in stock, but i think they lie > > > > > > Steve Jones <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > February 11, 2021 at 21:30 > Neobits says its in stock, but i think they lie > > > > Josh Luthman <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > February 11, 2021 at 09:24 > "Availability: Special Order" > > Probably can't be over nighted if it's not in stock =( > > Josh Luthman > 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > > Tim Withrow via AF <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > February 10, 2021 at 15:51 > > voipsupply.com > > > > > On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 Paul McCall wrote: > > Anybody know where I can get one of these overnighted (today) ? > > > > Mediatrix c711 > > > > *Paul McCall, President * > > *Florida Broadband / PDMNet* > > *658 Old Dixie Highway* > > *Vero Beach, FL 32962* > > *772-564-6800* > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Modern software companies....
I'm a few days behind on list e-mail... but I've been laughing for at least a minute to this... photograph Daniel White Co-Founder phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 > Mark Radabaugh <mailto:m...@amplex.net> > February 8, 2021 at 12:21 > A certain association management software company > > But it’s been a recurring theme lately. > > Mark > > > > > > Cameron Crum <mailto:cc...@murcevilo.com> > February 8, 2021 at 12:02 > Is there a particular piece of software you are referring to? > > > > Mark Radabaugh <mailto:m...@amplex.net> > February 8, 2021 at 11:20 > Ah, the fun of modern software and business technology…. > > One coder can create a platform, sell it as software-as-a-service and > hire 500 barely trained droids to sell and service it. It works great > as long as you don’t want anything done that isn’t on the script the > droids are drooling on while typing. > > Combine this with non-technical people who believe the aforementioned > droids when they promise the world, and you have massive aggravation. > > It’s hard to figure out who to be mad at when this happens. There is > so little knowledge these days about how the technology around us > actually works that it’s hard to be mad at the people who just accept > what the droids tell them. And the droids are just poorly trained > wetware. > > I fear for the day we all starve because someone can’t figure out how > to get the refrigerator door to open…. > > Mark > > > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Run away...
Grab a couple of sling anchors and no problem. https://www.gmesupply.com/fall-protection/anchorage/sling-anchors If you are moving back and forth a lot you can use something like this: https://www.gmesupply.com/falltech-2-person-horizontal-lifeline-kit-(60-foot-kernmantle-rope) <https://www.gmesupply.com/falltech-2-person-horizontal-lifeline-kit-%2860-foot-kernmantle-rope%29> photograph Daniel White Co-Founder phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 > Jaime Solorza <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > February 1, 2021 at 12:45 > Got to the last section by sunlight side...the distance between > sections is 10 ft. My work lanyards are four feet so I could not > traverse it laterally safely...to get other corner...I had to abort > and come down... > Plus my right arm is at 75%>>> > He called another group and they have a climbing system for these type > towersbetter safe than sorry > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Dragonwave diagnostics
You could verify with the license... but those radios are probably 12+ years old. Original HC radios. photograph Daniel White Co-Founder phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 > Nate Burke <mailto:n...@blastcomm.com> > January 14, 2021 at 17:23 > It's a network we inherited. 2.6 miles, and I think there's a > building in the way. I'm actually surprised that it's working, but I > wasn't sure how well it was working. > > On 1/14/2021 6:15 PM, Tushar Patel wrote: > > > > Tushar Patel <mailto:tpa...@ecpi.com> > January 14, 2021 at 17:15 > Yup, it appears that way. What is the distance? > -63 is very low signal level, that is the reason the reason it is at > 32qam. > > Tushar > > > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Warehouse APs
With warehouses it is rarely the vendor that is the issue... rather it is the placement and type of APs you are utilizing. I'd almost guarantee whatever issues they are facing are because they are using omni-directional APs. Narrow sectors are typically what you want to utilize. When Ruckus was the beam-forming kings back in the 802.11g and 802.11n days they excelled in these deployments... but to my knowledge they don't necessarily have a leg up now over any other enterprise platform. Before ripping and replacing AP's... I'd recommend your friend gets someone in there familiar with warehouse WiFi design. It is a very different animal than designing WiFi for houses, MDUs, and commercial buildings. photograph Daniel White Co-Founder phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 > Chuck McCown via AF <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > January 12, 2021 at 11:05 > I have a friend that manages a 10 acre warehouse. He has about 100 > unify AP pros in there and is asking if there is a better solution. > > I told him that I thought the Unify AP Pros were pretty good stuff but > there is a lot of stuff out there. I remember using Rukus for > AnimalFarm shows. > > What might be better. By better I would think fewer APs, stronger > more reliable signals etc. > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT gantt chart
I'd recommend this for $290 a year for three users https://monday.com/pricing/ We use it for new customer onboarding in additional to internal project management. I don't use the Gantt charts usually, but it works well and has lots of integrations and automations. photograph Daniel White Co-Founder phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 > Chuck McCown via AF <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > December 24, 2020 at 17:00 > Yeah but I want automatic critical paths and team resource management. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > jerry bickle <mailto:je...@rfdesignservices.com> > December 24, 2020 at 13:53 > > I use Excel. Attached is an example. > > > > Jerry Bickle > > President > > RF Design Services, LLC > > Cell: 405.650.3366 > > Fax: 405.330.1310 > > Email: je...@rfdesignservices.com <mailto:je...@rfdesignservices.com> > > WEB: www.rfdesignservices.com > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.rfdesignservices.com_=DwMFaQ=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM=oZldojrM2-7OE-SOcQyzFlyOFVuvqI9-MKCJpgPtw5o=mtfnEX_irmYmLVfRFLmo1ufFBG3ah0ceg1PUg45UIf0=pSi_M9lYhwHOASu-sKEWQud5Rrp3Vjwx8NbL0YYkSo4=> > > > > > > *From: *AF on behalf of Chuck McCown via AF > > *Organization: *McCown Technology Corporation > *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Date: *Thursday, December 24, 2020 at 1:03 PM > *To: *"af@af.afmug.com" > *Cc: *Chuck McCown > *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT gantt chart > > > > Anyone have any recommendations for free gantt chart software. I miss > MS project. Everyone now seems to be cloud based and subscription > based. > > > > I am about to renew my basic smartsheet subscription but I really want > resource management and you have to buy a 3 user license for that. > $75/month. > > > > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Old Phone Question
Algo (https://www.algosolutions.com/) and CyberData (https://www.cyberdata.net/collections/sip) are the go to brands for paging equipment that is SIP compatible along with adapters. Viking Electronics (https://www.vikingelectronics.com/) does make a number of items that make it easy to work with old paging systems. I didn't look at the manual, but the RAD-1A (https://www.vikingelectronics.com//products/rad-1a/) from Viking is probably what you are looking for paired with an ATA. Depending on the layout and configuration of what you are working with you can do certain things with a standard ATA (usually just FXS ports) and certain things with an ATA with an FXO port (these usually have FXS ports as well). As far as Atheral goes... I won't support trying to jury rig an ATA into these situations typically just because they can be finicky and I can't see how someone is installing something. Although some ATA manufacturers have different terms for configurations that should do what you want, in my experience they typically don't behave the way I'd expect. Algo, CyberData, and Viking make all of this stuff simple so it is just better to go that route. photograph Daniel White Co-Founder phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 > Nate Burke <mailto:n...@blastcomm.com> > December 22, 2020 at 17:02 > So I'm not saying it's old but this was put in when I was still in > High School > > Valcom V-2001 paging system. I'm looking to convert the driving phone > system over to VoIP. > > I've found the manual here. https://www.valcom.com/pdf/v-2001.pdf > > It references terms I'm not familiar with. It says 'Compatible with > Any Electronic Key or PABX' Does that mean that I can use an ATA to > plug into it? Or is this something special? > > There are currently wires hooked up to contacts labeled 'Page Tip/Page > Ring' And 'UNA Ringing' (2 wires) I"m guessing Page Tip/ring are the > 2 wires that would run to the ATA, but what is UNA Ringing? > > Anybody hooked one of these up to an ATA before? > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT HR question
If you call in sick you are sick for the whole day. I don't want your crud (COVID-19 or otherwise). I'd say absolutely if you go *cough cough* but I'll feel better by noon that has to be a hangover or something else. And in fiber construction... how much use are you showing up half way through the day anyways? photograph Daniel White Co-Founder phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 > Chuck McCown via AF <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > December 7, 2020 at 08:58 > > If you have guys call in not feeling well, but they think they might > be able to make it by noon, do you let them come in? > > Like why reward laziness/hangovers. But if they are really sick, stay > home and recuperate. > > Had 4 like that this morning. One is recovering from gall bladder > surgery last week, so it is understandable. > > > > Not sure about the rest. Monday absenteeism after a payday smacks of > drug usage in my opinion. > > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT HR question
And Baby Boomers resent that their parents were the "Greatest Generation" and put on the uniform and served instead of tearing up their draft ticket, smoking a lot of weed, and moving to Canada. Hippies, acid, and Hitler's people car bug should get thrown in there too. Okay now I am having too much fun :-P Every "generation" feels the one before it shafted them and the older generation always feels like they are better than the one they gave birth to. But apparently you don't have to be a baby boomer anymore to have a kid say "okay boomer" to you. One of my sons said that to me this weekend... and while I don't feel like I identify with millennials I technically am one. So take that baby boomers :-D photograph Daniel White Co-Founder phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 > Ken Hohhof <mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > December 7, 2020 at 09:58 > > Millennials seem to believe all their problems are because their > generation got screwed over by the baby boomers. Not sure where this > comes from, but it seems to be accepted fact among Bernie supporters. > Like I have student debt and a crummy job and no love life because of > the damn baby boomers. > > > > Good luck telling them they’re lazy, you’ll get about the same > reaction as telling someone from the MAGAverse to wear a mask. Or yeah > yeah yeah, old man, I know, get off your lawn, and you used to walk 5 > miles to school uphill both ways. > > > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza > *Sent:* Monday, December 7, 2020 10:36 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT HR question > > > > Is it me or are today's younger workers lazy? > > I have a contract with a company that supports ICE with > transportation...most of video pulls I do are for these guys' > shenanigans... > > $35-45.00 an hour plus insurance... > > WTF... > > I earn my pay every fucking day... > > > > On Mon, Dec 7, 2020, 9:10 AM Lewis Bergman <mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > Jaime Solorza <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > December 7, 2020 at 09:36 > Is it me or are today's younger workers lazy? > I have a contract with a company that supports ICE with > transportation...most of video pulls I do are for these guys' > shenanigans... > $35-45.00 an hour plus insurance... > WTF... > I earn my pay every fucking day... > > > > Lewis Bergman <mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com> > December 7, 2020 at 09:10 > We don't allow people to come in when they want. If they are sick they > are out for the whole day. We feel it protects the workers that show > up on time. > > > > -- > Lewis Bergman > 325-439-0533 Cell > > > Chuck McCown via AF <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > December 7, 2020 at 08:58 > > If you have guys call in not feeling well, but they think they might > be able to make it by noon, do you let them come in? > > Like why reward laziness/hangovers. But if they are really sick, stay > home and recuperate. > > Had 4 like that this morning. One is recovering from gall bladder > surgery last week, so it is understandable. > > > > Not sure about the rest. Monday absenteeism after a payday smacks of > drug usage in my opinion. > > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] old and busted vs new hotness
Tell them on the newer style you are actually able to restrict their speeds better so it will actually be a downgrade for them but an upgrade for you. Or that the older reflector is no longer made but gives them a better signal which equals faster speeds. photograph Daniel White Co-Founder phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 > Ken Hohhof <mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > December 4, 2020 at 13:56 > > I regularly run into customers who want a new SM because we installed > it several years ago and they assume there are newer, faster ones now > and they should have one of those. > > > > It doesn’t help when for example they see us install a 450b for a > neighbor and it looks different from their classic 450 with a > reflector dish. It looks different. Obviously the neighbor got the > new fast radio, while they are stuck with the old slow one, and we > need to come upgrade theirs. I can try to explain why there’s no > difference, or something about it being a software defined radio and > theirs is running the latest FW same as the neighbor’s radio, or that > we applied a license key to take theirs from 20M sustained to > uncapped. But they seem to think if they are paying their bill every > month, they should get a new radio every couple years. Like a new > smartphone every 2 years? Or maybe they think the only thing we did > was install something on their roof, so why do they need to keep > paying us if we don’t upgrade the thing on the roof, what are we doing > to earn our money? > > > > Anybody have a solution for this? Or just continue ignoring them? > > > > > > In case you didn’t get the Men In Black reference: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ha-uagjJQ9k > > > > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Remote Hands Pricing
Datacenters we are in charge around $150 an hour with a one hour minimum. I'd says they are smart as in they can follow directions and do some simple things for you. But those are for techs that are already onsite, provide NOC services for the DC and remote hands services for anyone co-located there as well. What you are describing sounds more like a maintenance contract of some sort if it is for one user you already provide ISP/IT services for. I'd say a retainer of some sort (minimum amount of hours per month) + travel would be appropriate. You shouldn't bill less than $100 an hour IMHO though. photograph Daniel White Co-Founder phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 > Nate Burke <mailto:n...@blastcomm.com> > November 23, 2020 at 10:02 > Anybody do 'Remote hands' Services? Just a body that will go to a > location and follow directions. I've had a request for it and I have > no idea what to charge. How do Datacenters price it, base Monthly > price + time? > > Is it like $400/month service or a $20/month service? Seems like > anything that will be less than the cost of them buying a plane ticket > should be worth it to them. > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Antenna identity
https://www.lbagroup.com/products/lightning-protection-dissipaters-portable-masts-rods#tower http://www.nottltd.com/lightning.html photograph Daniel White Co-Founder phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 > Ken Hohhof <mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > November 20, 2020 at 17:17 > It thought it was called a static cat (maybe staticat?), but when I > google that, I get things like this: > https://cheezburger.com/template/9961922 > > Maybe this: > http://www.nottltd.com/lightning.html > > > -Original Message- > From: AF On Behalf Of Adam Moffett > Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 5:49 PM > To: af@af.afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antenna identity > > Lol. I appreciate that we can be honest with each other in this group. > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > Adam Moffett <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > November 20, 2020 at 16:49 > Lol. I appreciate that we can be honest with each other in this group. > > > > Robert Andrews <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com> > November 20, 2020 at 16:47 > Absolutely not sure... > > > > Adam Moffett <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > November 20, 2020 at 16:28 > Are you sure that's not space magic? > > > > Robert Andrews <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com> > November 20, 2020 at 16:26 > Creates way more paths to bleed off the massive collection of charge, > hopefully creating less potential difference to create the charge path > for the bolt... i.e. a diffuse cloud of charge instead of a spike.. > > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] VoIP emulation of Key system
Yes people are stuck in their ways but we have found ways to basically replicate every key system feature. I get requests all the time like this and it usually takes some creative engineering to figure it out. Now I’m just kinda use to doing things... weird. Daniel White Co-Founder Atheral LLC (702) 470-2766 > On Nov 6, 2020, at 06:46, Adam Moffett wrote: > > This drives me crazy. Small businesses have had key telephone systems for > 50 years. They have a button for each physical line, they put a call on > hold, and then shout across the building, "Hey JOEY! Line 3 is for you!" > Then Joey pushes line 3 on his phone. > > You can't get these people to do a transfer. Park buttons are an ok stopgap, > but not the same because now they have two ways to put a call on hold and > they have to remember NOT to use the clearly marked "hold" button. Is there > a particular VoIP phone or VoIP system that can reliably emulate a key system? > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] POTS for "life safety" - MFVN
I'm a few days late to this thread (this last week seemed unusually busy) but I won't touch life safety stuff. Not worth the liability. My recommendation is always cellular. Our advice if they don't want to go to cellular is keep the landline from the phone company for that... but move your phones/etc. over to VoIP. The margin is in the VoIP phone systems... not providing a phone line for alarm. photograph Daniel White Co-Founder phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 > Lewis Bergman <mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com> > October 27, 2020 at 12:11 > Yeah, Cellular is the most widely accepted solution. NYC allows it and > there aren't any I know of that are more strict than they are. In > addition, It can be a lot easier. > > > > -- > Lewis Bergman > 325-439-0533 Cell > > > ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > October 27, 2020 at 08:47 > There is no money in the one off elevator or fire alarm circuit to > even touch the perceived liability. Let them use cellular if they > cannot get POTS from the ILEC. I know of a “very large – very very > large” data center that is located in a city that is 100% FTTH. The > local ILEC had to go dig some old DLC out of the trash because they > absolutely had to have 16 POTS lines. and could not have the POTS > that came out of an ONT. > > *From:* Lewis Bergman > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 27, 2020 8:11 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] POTS for "life safety" - MFVN > > Many VoIP providers won't touch elevators or fire alarm circuits. We > don't mind but many municipalities require permitting, acceptance, > etc. It wouldn't be difficult if you are willing to work with us and > if the opportunity is worth the trouble. We (or someone else) would > need to install at least 2 machines in your NOC or data center. That > would be used as the primary softswitch within your network with our > other clusters as backups. > > You should contact your municipalities and state to see what exactly > would have to be done for your areas. Most I have seen don't have > specific state regs, they leave it up to the cities but every place is > different. > > > > -- > Lewis Bergman > 325-439-0533 Cell > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > Lewis Bergman <mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com> > October 27, 2020 at 08:11 > Many VoIP providers won't touch elevators or fire alarm circuits. We > don't mind but many municipalities require permitting, acceptance, > etc. It wouldn't be difficult if you are willing to work with us and > if the opportunity is worth the trouble. We (or someone else) would > need to install at least 2 machines in your NOC or data center. That > would be used as the primary softswitch within your network with our > other clusters as backups. > > You should contact your municipalities and state to see what exactly > would have to be done for your areas. Most I have seen don't have > specific state regs, they leave it up to the cities but every place is > different. > > > > -- > Lewis Bergman > 325-439-0533 Cell > > > Brough Turner <mailto:bro...@netblazr.com> > October 27, 2020 at 06:57 > > Is there a way to "white label" Managed Facilites-based Voice Network > (MFVN) services? I recognize MFVN service requires the softswitch and > gateway be in the network (our network), but that would be ok if we > could out-source configuration and operation to someone else and, for > this service, be a subcontractor to that service provider. > > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] MG License AGL height margin of error
This is from a presentation I wrote while I was at Bridgewave... this dates back to 2011. Assuming the FCC has not changed their rules on any of this... it should still be good. I believe Mr. Hardy reviewed this for me back then :-) Any change made to an existing license or PCN that introduces additional potential or direct interference is considered a major modification and must be re-coordinated Examples: * Any change in transmit antenna location greater than 5 seconds * Any change in emission type * Increase in EIRP greater than 3 dB * Change in transmit antenna height AMSL greater than 3 meters * Any increase in transmit antenna beamwidth * Any change in transmit antenna polarity * Any change in transmit antenna azimuth greater than one degree photograph Daniel White Co-Founder phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 > Adam Moffett <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > October 30, 2020 at 19:58 > > I wonder if that Hardy guy has an opinion. > > On 10/30/2020 9:56 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: > > > Adam Moffett <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > October 30, 2020 at 19:56 > > I don't know what the FCC would say, but I'd argue 115' because the > /original/ ground level as it will appear in anybody's elevation data > would not include the 15' mound made when they built the tower. > > .I also don't imagine anybody's gonna climb up there with a tape > measure and double check me. > > On 10/30/2020 8:31 PM, Steve Jones wrote: > > > Steve Jones <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > October 30, 2020 at 18:31 > My biggest issue is what agl is based off of. We just did a link where > they built the ground up 15 feet, are we 115 feet or 100 feet if the > structure is 100 feet tall? How are propagation profiles accounting > for discrepancies like this? Is there and actual way to calculate amsl? > > > > Adam Moffett <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > October 30, 2020 at 14:44 > Ok I think I answered that myself. Part 101 calls for accuracy to +/- > 1 meter. I thought someone told me there was more play than that. > > > > > Adam Moffett <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > October 30, 2020 at 14:39 > Isn't there some margin of error allowed on the antenna height on a > microwave license? I seem to think +/- 25 feet, but I can't remember > why I think that. > > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] SIP trunk providers at IXes?
Seth, Most SIP providers will tell you where their racks are physically located for x-connects or IXs if you ask the sales rep or their engineering support. I've never had issues getting information down to the rack number when I have asked. I think a lot of it they keep under NDA for competitive reasons. photograph Daniel White Co-Founder phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 > Seth Mattinen <mailto:se...@rollernet.us> > October 22, 2020 at 10:40 > I thought this would be easier to find information, but apparently > it's not... are there any SIP trunk providers that participate in > peering at exchanges? All I've been able to find so far is Twilio > Interconnect (after filling out a form). Most of what I can find just > seems to be handwaving it as the magic of the cloud, with occasional > boasts about peering with the big guys. > > ~Seth > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] BBDGE Termination and Grounding
Sounds like this: https://www.sitepro1.com/reader/web/viewer.php?link=../../resources/pdf/assembly-drawings/GKCAT5.pdf I used something more along the lines of this in the past (although it was for just 1/2" cable not "universal") https://www.sitepro1.com/resources/pdf/assembly-drawings/UGT5.pdf photograph Daniel White Co-Founder phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 > dave <mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com> > October 1, 2020 at 09:05 > Cambium has a kit that seemed at first a little intimidating at first > but now we use them all the time with no water intrusion. > Here is that part number > N82L173 > > It looks like a little braided loop strap but it gets strapped to the > half inch exposed armor and sealed with butel and fat tape. > looks good when done right. > > > On 9/30/20 4:49 PM, Daniel White wrote: > > > > Daniel White <mailto:dwh...@atheral.com> > September 30, 2020 at 15:49 > To answer one part... yes you can put grounding kits mid-span on the > cable. Had to do that a few times. I think we used the standard > LMR-400 kits. > > Nate Burke <mailto:n...@blastcomm.com> > September 30, 2020 at 09:44 > Does anyone sell custom length, per-terminated BBDGE cable? I have an > application where I need the copper cladding tied to the shielded RJ45. > > Also, has anyone used grounding kits on the cable for mid-span > grounding? Will Coax cable kits work on it? > > It's been years since I've worked with that cable, I think back when > it had to be punched into the PTP400 LPU Units. I remember it being a > pain to field terminate. > > One of our tower sites just put up antennas at 6.9, 9.2 and 14.7mhz > and it's causing all kinds of Ethernet problems for our cables that > pass through their array. They want to run at 5-6kw, and we start > having problems when they go over 2kw. They are hoping that if we > change to the BBDGE cable with lots of Grounding, it will fix the > problems. Already have Coils at the top and bottom on Beldon7919 > cable. That got us from 400w failure to 2kw failure. > > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] BBDGE Termination and Grounding
To answer one part... yes you can put grounding kits mid-span on the cable. Had to do that a few times. I think we used the standard LMR-400 kits. photograph Daniel White Co-Founder phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 > Nate Burke <mailto:n...@blastcomm.com> > September 30, 2020 at 09:44 > Does anyone sell custom length, per-terminated BBDGE cable? I have an > application where I need the copper cladding tied to the shielded RJ45. > > Also, has anyone used grounding kits on the cable for mid-span > grounding? Will Coax cable kits work on it? > > It's been years since I've worked with that cable, I think back when > it had to be punched into the PTP400 LPU Units. I remember it being a > pain to field terminate. > > One of our tower sites just put up antennas at 6.9, 9.2 and 14.7mhz > and it's causing all kinds of Ethernet problems for our cables that > pass through their array. They want to run at 5-6kw, and we start > having problems when they go over 2kw. They are hoping that if we > change to the BBDGE cable with lots of Grounding, it will fix the > problems. Already have Coils at the top and bottom on Beldon7919 > cable. That got us from 400w failure to 2kw failure. > > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT sip question
I have no idea how Xmission does their stuff... but extension to extension dialing, paging (which actually has nothing to do with the PBX... should be multicast and never leave your LAN), conference bridges, IVR's, hunt groups, etc. are all standard features as part of a domain. Maybe they charge extra for all of this stuff? CallerID on the seat is going to be controlled by their switch not your PBX so you are going to have to talk to them about that. For the SIP trunk... it all depends on how they provision those (for instance, using an SBC instead of Netsapiens). SIP trunking is more expensive than VoIP lines because utilization is higher. That means your typing up my switch more and using more minutes. I have no idea how Xmission "unlimited" is worded nor what your utilization looks like... but you may run afoul of it. Unless Xmission has some out of wack SIP trunk pricing... I doubt the difference is that big. I can't help much because now I know the details I know what you want to accomplish wouldn't work on my setup. Since you are my reseller I'd probably just give you a special price on the trunk and move on... but the way we have things configured (and they should too) wouldn't let it happen. photograph Daniel White Co-Founder phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 > ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > September 23, 2020 at 15:54 > I have been running a pbx for years. We need extension to extension > calling, paging, conf all the stuff you expect in a business. > Multiple calls on the same line outgoing, all the conventional pbx > features. Aastra phones etc. > > Costs us nothing to run asterisk. Just have to pay for sip trunking. > Voip lines are cheaper. > > *From:* Daniel White > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 23, 2020 3:49 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT sip question > > Xmission is using Netsapiens like Lewis and I :-) > > I'm not sure why you are gung-ho to run a PBX for your shop if you are > buying services from them. What little you save in money you lose in > redundancy, ease of configuration, etc. etc. > > Your not really running your own product if you are not replicating > what you are selling to your business customers. > > If you bought a seat from me, on my Netsapiens platform, and tried to > change the Caller ID it wouldn't work. On a SIP trunk, it passes > through. On the flip side, so long as you could show me that you own > a TN (even if it not on my service) I would provision Caller ID to > reflect that number. > > I've proactively implemented policies we will have to have for > STIR/SHAKEN... no sense dealing with the mess when it becomes law. > > -------- > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > Daniel White <mailto:dwh...@atheral.com> > September 23, 2020 at 15:49 > Xmission is using Netsapiens like Lewis and I :-) > > I'm not sure why you are gung-ho to run a PBX for your shop if you are > buying services from them. What little you save in money you lose in > redundancy, ease of configuration, etc. etc. > > Your not really running your own product if you are not replicating > what you are selling to your business customers. > > If you bought a seat from me, on my Netsapiens platform, and tried to > change the Caller ID it wouldn't work. On a SIP trunk, it passes > through. On the flip side, so long as you could show me that you own > a TN (even if it not on my service) I would provision Caller ID to > reflect that number. > > I've proactively implemented policies we will have to have for > STIR/SHAKEN... no sense dealing with the mess when it becomes law. > > ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > September 23, 2020 at 15:34 > We are mixing apples and oranges in this tread. > I am (going to be) reselling VOIP from Xmission in SLC. > They have been around since the beginning of the internet. I presume > whatever they are using is carrier class. > > I am the one running asterisk for my shop. I would like to start to > use my own product, the Xmission VoIP rather than paying much more for > SIP trunks from Xmission. > > *From:* Daniel White > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 23, 2020 3:30 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT sip question > > Not necessarily, especially if you consider what a hosting provider is > doing on top of just the pure minutes. Also, any free PBX solution is > not anywhere close to the capabilities and resiliency of a real switch. > > Fixed cost also means you know your margins and makes things far more > predictable. And if you
Re: [AFMUG] OT sip question
Xmission is using Netsapiens like Lewis and I :-) I'm not sure why you are gung-ho to run a PBX for your shop if you are buying services from them. What little you save in money you lose in redundancy, ease of configuration, etc. etc. Your not really running your own product if you are not replicating what you are selling to your business customers. If you bought a seat from me, on my Netsapiens platform, and tried to change the Caller ID it wouldn't work. On a SIP trunk, it passes through. On the flip side, so long as you could show me that you own a TN (even if it not on my service) I would provision Caller ID to reflect that number. I've proactively implemented policies we will have to have for STIR/SHAKEN... no sense dealing with the mess when it becomes law. photograph Daniel White Co-Founder phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 > ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > September 23, 2020 at 15:34 > We are mixing apples and oranges in this tread. > I am (going to be) reselling VOIP from Xmission in SLC. > They have been around since the beginning of the internet. I presume > whatever they are using is carrier class. > > I am the one running asterisk for my shop. I would like to start to > use my own product, the Xmission VoIP rather than paying much more for > SIP trunks from Xmission. > > *From:* Daniel White > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 23, 2020 3:30 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT sip question > > Not necessarily, especially if you consider what a hosting provider is > doing on top of just the pure minutes. Also, any free PBX solution is > not anywhere close to the capabilities and resiliency of a real switch. > > Fixed cost also means you know your margins and makes things far more > predictable. And if you have a user that uses more than the > average... they lose not you. > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > Daniel White <mailto:dwh...@atheral.com> > September 23, 2020 at 15:30 > Not necessarily, especially if you consider what a hosting provider is > doing on top of just the pure minutes. Also, any free PBX solution is > not anywhere close to the capabilities and resiliency of a real switch. > > Fixed cost also means you know your margins and makes things far more > predictable. And if you have a user that uses more than the > average... they lose not you. > > TJ Trout <mailto:t...@voltbb.com> > September 23, 2020 at 14:35 > with any volume you want to go to a per minute/per item rate, then you > reap the profits instead of the guy offering you $8 flat rate... > > > > ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > September 23, 2020 at 14:31 > With LNP and direct PSAP and unlimited LD etc? > > *From:* TJ Trout > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 23, 2020 2:27 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT sip question > > I would have to assume doing with a national wholesale voip provider > would be a fraction of the cost compared to a $8 flat rate per line. > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > TJ Trout <mailto:t...@voltbb.com> > September 23, 2020 at 14:27 > I would have to assume doing with a national wholesale voip provider > would be a fraction of the cost compared to a $8 flat rate per line. > > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT sip question
Not necessarily, especially if you consider what a hosting provider is doing on top of just the pure minutes. Also, any free PBX solution is not anywhere close to the capabilities and resiliency of a real switch. Fixed cost also means you know your margins and makes things far more predictable. And if you have a user that uses more than the average... they lose not you. photograph Daniel White Co-Founder phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 > TJ Trout <mailto:t...@voltbb.com> > September 23, 2020 at 14:35 > with any volume you want to go to a per minute/per item rate, then you > reap the profits instead of the guy offering you $8 flat rate... > > > > ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > September 23, 2020 at 14:31 > With LNP and direct PSAP and unlimited LD etc? > > *From:* TJ Trout > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 23, 2020 2:27 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT sip question > > I would have to assume doing with a national wholesale voip provider > would be a fraction of the cost compared to a $8 flat rate per line. > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > TJ Trout <mailto:t...@voltbb.com> > September 23, 2020 at 14:27 > I would have to assume doing with a national wholesale voip provider > would be a fraction of the cost compared to a $8 flat rate per line. > > > > Lewis Bergman <mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com> > September 23, 2020 at 14:20 > Just as a clarification, FusionPBX is freeswitch not asterisk. > > > > -- > Lewis Bergman > 325-439-0533 Cell > > > Daniel White <mailto:dwh...@atheral.com> > September 23, 2020 at 13:37 > Having a direct connection for a SIP trunk is easy. Just put an > Adtran 904e or something else into the mix. For LNP you don't need to > have the switch on-net... just a device in the exchange for > portability and a T-1 or something else. > > To answer your question... CallerID manipulation is easy right now. > In 9ish months once STIR/SHAKEN is a thing... you may run into issues > getting calls signed with a TN for CallerID that isn't on that > providers service. > > So yes... to answer your question it is easy to do on an Asterisk > based system (FreePBX or FusionPBX for instance) but someone like > Lewis and I could save you a lot of trouble for certain. That and it > is easy today... but is going to be a lot more complicated next year. > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT sip question
Yes and no. A trunk is assumed to go to a PBX versus an endpoint so the provider may enable, disable, or change some features. The assumption on a trunk is that it will use more minutes than an ATA. photograph Daniel White Co-Founder phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 > Adam Moffett <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > September 23, 2020 at 13:40 > > Yeah but there's no functional difference. The SIP registration from > an ATA is just a SIP "trunk" that can only accept one or two calls. > There should be no reason you can't register that SIP user from Asterisk. > > > On 9/23/2020 2:52 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: > > > ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > September 23, 2020 at 12:52 > The provider charges more for a “trunk”. > And Lewis, I already have this service set up through them for another > system > We have some unique LNP porting issues and really want the voip > provider to have a direct connection to us. > > *From:* Brian Webster > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 23, 2020 12:35 PM > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT sip question > > > It’s been a while since I have done an asterisk config but you still > configure a SIP account much the same as you would for the ATA and it > becomes a trunk as I recall and then you do whatever you need to with > it as a single line trunk. Way back when I was learning it and playing > I had multiple providers for single lines and even an IAX line too. > Then I could use them as part of the dial plan and other features as > to where it would ring and dial out. > > > > Thank you, > > Brian Webster > > www.wirelessmapping.com > > > > *From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 23, 2020 2:01 PM > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT sip quiestion > > > > If I get a voip service from some random provider and I have a sip > device on my end, I am golden. Say an ATA connected to a pots phone. > > Now, if I want that number to appear inside an asterisk PBX but I > don’t want to buy a trunk, is there an easy way to do that? > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > Brian Webster <mailto:i...@wirelessmapping.com> > September 23, 2020 at 12:35 > > It’s been a while since I have done an asterisk config but you still > configure a SIP account much the same as you would for the ATA and it > becomes a trunk as I recall and then you do whatever you need to with > it as a single line trunk. Way back when I was learning it and playing > I had multiple providers for single lines and even an IAX line too. > Then I could use them as part of the dial plan and other features as > to where it would ring and dial out. > > > > Thank you, > > Brian Webster > > www.wirelessmapping.com > > > > *From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 23, 2020 2:01 PM > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT sip quiestion > > > > If I get a voip service from some random provider and I have a sip > device on my end, I am golden. Say an ATA connected to a pots phone. > > Now, if I want that number to appear inside an asterisk PBX but I > don’t want to buy a trunk, is there an easy way to do that? > > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT sip question
Having a direct connection for a SIP trunk is easy. Just put an Adtran 904e or something else into the mix. For LNP you don't need to have the switch on-net... just a device in the exchange for portability and a T-1 or something else. To answer your question... CallerID manipulation is easy right now. In 9ish months once STIR/SHAKEN is a thing... you may run into issues getting calls signed with a TN for CallerID that isn't on that providers service. So yes... to answer your question it is easy to do on an Asterisk based system (FreePBX or FusionPBX for instance) but someone like Lewis and I could save you a lot of trouble for certain. That and it is easy today... but is going to be a lot more complicated next year. photograph Daniel White Co-Founder phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 > ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > September 23, 2020 at 12:52 > The provider charges more for a “trunk”. > And Lewis, I already have this service set up through them for another > system > We have some unique LNP porting issues and really want the voip > provider to have a direct connection to us. > > *From:* Brian Webster > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 23, 2020 12:35 PM > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT sip question > > > It’s been a while since I have done an asterisk config but you still > configure a SIP account much the same as you would for the ATA and it > becomes a trunk as I recall and then you do whatever you need to with > it as a single line trunk. Way back when I was learning it and playing > I had multiple providers for single lines and even an IAX line too. > Then I could use them as part of the dial plan and other features as > to where it would ring and dial out. > > > > Thank you, > > Brian Webster > > www.wirelessmapping.com > > > > *From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 23, 2020 2:01 PM > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT sip quiestion > > > > If I get a voip service from some random provider and I have a sip > device on my end, I am golden. Say an ATA connected to a pots phone. > > Now, if I want that number to appear inside an asterisk PBX but I > don’t want to buy a trunk, is there an easy way to do that? > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > Brian Webster <mailto:i...@wirelessmapping.com> > September 23, 2020 at 12:35 > > It’s been a while since I have done an asterisk config but you still > configure a SIP account much the same as you would for the ATA and it > becomes a trunk as I recall and then you do whatever you need to with > it as a single line trunk. Way back when I was learning it and playing > I had multiple providers for single lines and even an IAX line too. > Then I could use them as part of the dial plan and other features as > to where it would ring and dial out. > > > > Thank you, > > Brian Webster > > www.wirelessmapping.com > > > > *From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 23, 2020 2:01 PM > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT sip quiestion > > > > If I get a voip service from some random provider and I have a sip > device on my end, I am golden. Say an ATA connected to a pots phone. > > Now, if I want that number to appear inside an asterisk PBX but I > don’t want to buy a trunk, is there an easy way to do that? > > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] cambium ceragon 820
Except SAF... right Chuck ;-) Years ago I was party to the contracts SAF signed with RFS and Commscope for antennas, and they both included boilerplate language about the interface design and that it could only be sold to the manufacturer, etc. But that was from the antenna vendor side. If the radio manufacturer intends to enforce anything about the design... well that is a different story. As I wrote before - unless it is a 4ft antenna or larger or has some unique restrictions that cause replacement to be a real problem... I'd just buy the new antenna. Generally, since radios you are upgrading to will have high modulation specs you probably will want to upgrade antennas anyways to get higher availability for the higher performance. But all of that is "in general." I'm the first one to realize there are situations where keeping what is there is far better. photograph Daniel White Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 > ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > September 15, 2020 at 17:03 > Never had a problem, I have interfaced with lots of antennas and > radios over the year. > > *From:* Ken Hohhof > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 15, 2020 4:53 PM > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cambium ceragon 820 > > > I was in a rush to send that photo and apparently didn’t succeed in > attaching it to the email. > > > > Also, you might get a call from Cambium’s (or Ceragon’s) lawyers. I > know they don’t let Andrew and Radiowaves sell the antennas with the > Ceragon mount direct to end customers. So they are apparently > protective of their mount. I think someone once posted – it might > have been you Daniel – that most or all of the licensed radio > manufacturers are that way. > > > > *From:*AF *On Behalf Of *Daniel White > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 15, 2020 4:47 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cambium ceragon 820 > > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > Ken Hohhof <mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > September 15, 2020 at 16:53 > > I was in a rush to send that photo and apparently didn’t succeed in > attaching it to the email. > > > > Also, you might get a call from Cambium’s (or Ceragon’s) lawyers. I > know they don’t let Andrew and Radiowaves sell the antennas with the > Ceragon mount direct to end customers. So they are apparently > protective of their mount. I think someone once posted – it might > have been you Daniel – that most or all of the licensed radio > manufacturers are that way. > > > > *From:*AF *On Behalf Of *Daniel White > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 15, 2020 4:47 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cambium ceragon 820 > > > > > > Daniel White <mailto:dwh...@atheral.com> > September 15, 2020 at 15:46 > It almost never makes sense to retrofit a 2ft antenna IMHO. 3ft > possibly. > > I also imagine as soon as Cambium hears coax and "old AF11" antenna in > any troubleshooting conversation they are going to clam up and blame that. > > I'd just replace the antennas. > > ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > September 15, 2020 at 09:59 > Thanks. > I have had a request to make a connectorizing kit to allow these > radios to be used with AF11X antennas. > Not sure it is economically feasible. Especially if I have to add a > way to hang the radio as well. > > *From:* Adam Moffett > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 15, 2020 9:52 AM > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cambium ceragon 820 > > > Installation guide has some graphics: > > https://www.sicetelecom.it/Reserved-Area/Ceragon/Ceragon_FibeAir_IP-20C_Installation_Guide_Rev_D.03.pdf > > > > > > On 9/15/2020 11:50 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > Adam Moffett <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > September 15, 2020 at 09:52 > > Installation guide has some graphics: > > https://www.sicetelecom.it/Reserved-Area/Ceragon/Ceragon_FibeAir_IP-20C_Installation_Guide_Rev_D.03.pdf > > > > On 9/15/2020 11:50 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] cambium ceragon 820
It almost never makes sense to retrofit a 2ft antenna IMHO. 3ft possibly. I also imagine as soon as Cambium hears coax and "old AF11" antenna in any troubleshooting conversation they are going to clam up and blame that. I'd just replace the antennas. photograph Daniel White Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 > ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > September 15, 2020 at 09:59 > Thanks. > I have had a request to make a connectorizing kit to allow these > radios to be used with AF11X antennas. > Not sure it is economically feasible. Especially if I have to add a > way to hang the radio as well. > > *From:* Adam Moffett > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 15, 2020 9:52 AM > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cambium ceragon 820 > > > Installation guide has some graphics: > > https://www.sicetelecom.it/Reserved-Area/Ceragon/Ceragon_FibeAir_IP-20C_Installation_Guide_Rev_D.03.pdf > > > > > > On 9/15/2020 11:50 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > Adam Moffett <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > September 15, 2020 at 09:52 > > Installation guide has some graphics: > > https://www.sicetelecom.it/Reserved-Area/Ceragon/Ceragon_FibeAir_IP-20C_Installation_Guide_Rev_D.03.pdf > > > > On 9/15/2020 11:50 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: > > > Adam Moffett <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > September 15, 2020 at 09:50 > > Trying to remember.I did do an XPol 11ghz once. I'm pretty sure > the interface was the same basic shape as that previous picture, but > maybe slightly rotated. > > > On 9/15/2020 11:46 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: > > > ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > September 15, 2020 at 09:46 > Do the 11 GHz units have a circular waveguide? > > *From:* Adam Moffett > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 15, 2020 9:43 AM > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cambium ceragon 820 > > > Sort of a rectangular waveguide opening with a round gasket around > it. Here's a 2+0 adapter to give you the idea. > > > > Picture 1 of 5 > > On 9/15/2020 11:31 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > Adam Moffett <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > September 15, 2020 at 09:43 > > Sort of a rectangular waveguide opening with a round gasket around > it. Here's a 2+0 adapter to give you the idea. > > > Picture 1 of 5 > > On 9/15/2020 11:31 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Sitrans 6Ghz radar pulse level transmitter
6.3GHz. Interesting. Nice PTFE "Rod" Antenna you got there. photograph Daniel White Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 > Jaime Solorza <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > September 15, 2020 at 11:22 > Installing this sensor in a few...tank climbing crew suiting up. > Sending 1/2 inch Heliax up as well for licensed 928-952Mhz 5 watt MDS > radio. > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Cell signals.
For LTE - it is certainly slant 45. It was determined that since the handset could not be determined to be in a specific position (and phones are typically held at a slant 45 to the head) that it was the best polarization for cellular. For instance: https://www.commscope.com/product-type/antennas/base-station-antennas-equipment/base-station-antennas/itemmbllhhh-65c-vtm/ For 3G I think it primarily had to do with the carrier - Sprint/Nextel used a lot of omnis and I believe those were all V-pol. Standard pol antennas in cellular booster kits I think are primarily driven by cost, and that if 3dB is what is the difference between it working or not it might as well not. Antenna polarity at the end of the day I don't think has much implication in the cellular world. Of course it matters if you are trying to boost a marginal signal - but as someone else already said it has probably already reflected off something once so... photograph Daniel White Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 > Chuck McCown <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > September 13, 2020 at 14:50 > Are cell signals V pol? > > Sent from my iPhone > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Who installed this??
Look at RFS. Over time while I was at SAF they turned into my favorite antenna vendor. When I was at SAF I sometimes worked directly with the antenna vendors as many of the ones SAF works with are headquartered in the US. Commscope, RFS, and Radiowaves all had different ideas about costs for shipping vs. costs for assembling onsite. If you save $50 on shipping and can pay a tower climber an hour to assemble it... it is worth it potentially in the big picture. photograph Daniel White Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 > Caleb Knauer <mailto:cknauer.li...@gmail.com> > September 2, 2020 at 16:51 > Ok logo looks the same. Radome assembly is different now though. I > thought about taking it apart and flipping but the oopsy risk was > high. Way easier and safer to pull the sticker off and swap the drain > plugs. > > We standardized on Radiowaves because they’re already assembled and > stouter. Also stiff arm options are way more flexible. Costs more but > the time savings pay off esp when doing the 4ft+ sizes with what we do. > > > > Ken Hohhof <mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > September 2, 2020 at 14:24 > > Like this one we put up I think 2 years ago? > > A picture containing sitting, view, plane, large Description > automatically generated > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Caleb Knauer > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 2, 2020 2:55 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Who installed this?? > > > > I’ve got 3/4/6ft in front of me right now and they’re all vinyl > sticker logo. They may have changed it earlier this year about the > same time they stopped putting the 820 mounting brackets on. Now it’s > separate box with some spacers etc. First round didn’t have any > instructions and they weren’t on the website either. Fun times. > > > > On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 2:47 PM Ken Hohhof <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote: > > > > Caleb Knauer <mailto:cknauer.li...@gmail.com> > September 2, 2020 at 13:55 > I’ve got 3/4/6ft in front of me right now and they’re all vinyl > sticker logo. They may have changed it earlier this year about the > same time they stopped putting the 820 mounting brackets on. Now it’s > separate box with some spacers etc. First round didn’t have any > instructions and they weren’t on the website either. Fun times. > > > > Ken Hohhof <mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > September 2, 2020 at 12:46 > > Now that I think of it, we’ve put up several 2 ft 11 GHz Radiowaves > dishes this year and I don’t think any of them had logos on the > radomes. Neither pre-applied nor in the box. > > > > We also put up some 1 ft 18 GHz Andrew/Commscope dishes and those also > had no logo. No Andrew lightning bolt either. But those are very > small dishes. > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 2, 2020 1:27 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Who installed this?? > > > > Peel off and leave it or put your own on. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > Chuck McCown <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > September 2, 2020 at 12:26 > Peel off and leave it or put your own on. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Who installed this??
This was shot around where I live... that tower is an old LP Broadband tower. I know it well. The call center building they are showing is in Loveland. Tower is at 40.34714 -105.0052113 photograph Daniel White Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 > Matt Hoppes <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> > September 2, 2020 at 05:30 > I was just watching one of Rise Broadband's videos and there's a shot > where someone installed a RadioWaves radome upside down. > > That would drive me crazy everytime I saw it on the tower, even if it > wasn't mine. > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Ultra low latency PTP
Granted I have been out of the licensed backhaul HFT game for a long time... but is Cielo even in it anymore? Once again I have no idea what NDA's might apply to me, but the Cielo stuff wasn't designed in house and they had hit the limitations of the hardware they were OEM'ing. I know LightPointe had some success in 80GHz there for awhile for HFT. photograph Daniel White Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 > Tim Hardy <mailto:thardy...@gmail.com> > September 1, 2020 at 12:50 > Like Cielo, SAF, etc., Aviat also has a low latency version of their > IRU and ODU 600 radio lines. > > > > > Daniel White <mailto:dwh...@atheral.com> > September 1, 2020 at 12:10 > If you are the second fastest on a route you might as well not have a > route. > > These guys will rip and replace even if they just put it up if it will > get a few nanoseconds faster. And the gear, as being custom built > with low volumes, is very expensive. > > Nate Burke <mailto:n...@blastcomm.com> > September 1, 2020 at 10:11 > LOL 'Enough Money' These are traders we're talking about. They have > bottomless pockets. They'll spend $100M on a project just to see if > it works, then abandon it 6 months later. The tower owners we talk to > hate these guys, they come in, spend a ton of money on buildouts, then > just stop paying rent a few months down the way and abandon > everything. They've learned to just charge a lot up front, and these > guys will pay it. > > On 9/1/2020 10:57 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: > > ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > September 1, 2020 at 09:57 > Enough money behind it, they might be able to get a channel on every > HF band. > You don’t need to send much info to by or sell. I wonder if a > troposcatter system could be licensed? > Or launch a stratosphere balloon to use as an analog repeater. > > *From:* Caleb Knauer > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 1, 2020 9:35 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ultra low latency PTP > > Interesting. I’ll check it out. > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > Caleb Knauer <mailto:cknauer.li...@gmail.com> > September 1, 2020 at 09:35 > Interesting. I’ll check it out. > > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Ultra low latency PTP
If you are the second fastest on a route you might as well not have a route. These guys will rip and replace even if they just put it up if it will get a few nanoseconds faster. And the gear, as being custom built with low volumes, is very expensive. photograph Daniel White Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 > Nate Burke <mailto:n...@blastcomm.com> > September 1, 2020 at 10:11 > LOL 'Enough Money' These are traders we're talking about. They have > bottomless pockets. They'll spend $100M on a project just to see if > it works, then abandon it 6 months later. The tower owners we talk to > hate these guys, they come in, spend a ton of money on buildouts, then > just stop paying rent a few months down the way and abandon > everything. They've learned to just charge a lot up front, and these > guys will pay it. > > On 9/1/2020 10:57 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: > > ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > September 1, 2020 at 09:57 > Enough money behind it, they might be able to get a channel on every > HF band. > You don’t need to send much info to by or sell. I wonder if a > troposcatter system could be licensed? > Or launch a stratosphere balloon to use as an analog repeater. > > *From:* Caleb Knauer > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 1, 2020 9:35 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ultra low latency PTP > > Interesting. I’ll check it out. > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > Caleb Knauer <mailto:cknauer.li...@gmail.com> > September 1, 2020 at 09:35 > Interesting. I’ll check it out. > > > > Nate Burke <mailto:n...@blastcomm.com> > September 1, 2020 at 09:18 > It seems most of what I still notice are the Cielo radios. But almost > all of the HFT Guys in Chicago have switched over to the Ionosphere > antennas. Where they have the huge yagi antennas with just a single > licensed link back to the Datacenter. I can count 10 different sites > within 15 miles that are using this setup. One of the towers we are > on is in the process of installing a 3 antenna system, 30'x40' > antennas at 100', 125' and 150'. Single licensed radio back to the > CME datacenter. > > On 9/1/2020 10:03 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > Mike Hammett <mailto:af...@ics-il.net> > September 1, 2020 at 09:03 > There is a whole other class of low-latency wireless gear. FEC is > removed. ARQ is nowhere to be found. > > The radios are optimized so that the data spends as few picoseconds as > possible in the radio. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > > *From: *"Bill Prince" > *To: *af@af.afmug.com > *Sent: *Tuesday, September 1, 2020 9:47:00 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Ultra low latency PTP > > All the licensed gear I know of is full duplex, and should have near > wire speed latency. The latency should be proportional to the link > distance. > > > bp > > > On 9/1/2020 7:36 AM, Caleb Knauer wrote: > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Ultra low latency PTP
More than that... repeaters are mostly used with no digital processing. photograph Daniel White Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 > Ken Hohhof <mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > September 1, 2020 at 09:18 > > I think he’s referring to modified gear that bypasses some of the > packet processing and associated buffering and just forwards the bits > as they come in. Kind of like a cut-through switch that starts > forwarding a frame as soon as the header is received. > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 1, 2020 9:47 AM > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ultra low latency PTP > > > > All the licensed gear I know of is full duplex, and should have near > wire speed latency. The latency should be proportional to the link > distance. > > > > bp > > > > On 9/1/2020 7:36 AM, Caleb Knauer wrote: > > > > Bill Prince <mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > September 1, 2020 at 08:47 > > All the licensed gear I know of is full duplex, and should have near > wire speed latency. The latency should be proportional to the link > distance. > > > bp > > > On 9/1/2020 7:36 AM, Caleb Knauer wrote: > > > Caleb Knauer <mailto:cknauer.li...@gmail.com> > September 1, 2020 at 08:36 > Anybody here up to date on current ultra low latency licensed PTP > gear? Like in HFT networks. Trying to round up the current players. > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Ultra low latency PTP
Oh HFT. Fun stuff. Martins Dzelda at SAF is the guy to talk to. martins.dze...@saftehnika.com <mailto:martins.dze...@saftehnika.com> Everything I could say is probably under NDA so nyet. photograph Daniel White Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 > Caleb Knauer <mailto:cknauer.li...@gmail.com> > September 1, 2020 at 08:36 > Anybody here up to date on current ultra low latency licensed PTP > gear? Like in HFT networks. Trying to round up the current players. > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] DST start/end dates
https://www.history.com/news/8-things-you-may-not-know-about-daylight-saving-time
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Daniel White
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phone: +1 (702) 470-2770
direct:+1 (702) 470-2766
> Bill Prince <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>
> August 24, 2020 at 15:32
> In my opinion, the time for DST has passed. For all I care we could
> all use UTC/GMT and we would all be just fine. Pun intended.
>
> Then you would just have to adjust to when daylight happened locally. NBD.
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> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
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> Ken Hohhof <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>
> August 24, 2020 at 15:18
>
> Not at the time, but yeah, Goldwater was a freakin looney who was
> going to get us all blown up and end the world as we know it. You
> know those generals, all madmen who want to start a war and end the
> world. Seven Days in May and Dr. Strangelove were around that time.
> Oddly it was LBJ who lied about the Gulf of Tonkin incident to get
> authorization for the Vietnam War.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Monday, August 24, 2020 3:36 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DST start/end dates
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> ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
> August 24, 2020 at 14:36
> You remember the little girl and the daisy?
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Monday, August 24, 2020 2:26 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DST start/end dates
>
>
> OK, I agree with Arizona on one thing, DST sucks.
>
>
>
> I did support Barry Goldwater, but I couldn’t vote at the time given I
> was 14 (I had an AuH2O sign on my bicycle). And I wish John McCain
> was still with us, even if I didn’t agree with him on some policy
> stuff. And the Grand Canyon is good. So 4 things. I wouldn’t go
> there in this weather though for fear of spontaneous human combustion.
>
>
>
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>
> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Monday, August 24, 2020 3:13 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DST start/end dates
>
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> Ken Hohhof <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>
> August 24, 2020 at 14:26
>
> OK, I agree with Arizona on one thing, DST sucks.
>
>
>
> I did support Barry Goldwater, but I couldn’t vote at the time given I
> was 14 (I had an AuH2O sign on my bicycle). And I wish John McCain
> was still with us, even if I didn’t agree with him on some policy
> stuff. And the Grand Canyon is good. So 4 things. I wouldn’t go
> there in this weather though for fear of spontaneous human combustion.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Monday, August 24, 2020 3:13 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DST start/end dates
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> ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
> August 24, 2020 at 14:12
> You are in Arizona, right...
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Monday, August 24, 2020 1:28 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] DST start/end dates
>
>
> Some equipment needs the DST start and end dates manually entered.
> They are not fixed dates since they are on Sundays. Why we still have
> DST, I don’t know, but at least could it be fixed dates like March 1
> and Nov 1? (I assume this is what happens when we have senators that
> need to be told that Facebook is free because it runs ads.)
>
>
>
> Anyway, what do you guys do with equipment like this? Just disable
> DST and remember there’s a 1 hour difference when looking at logs?
> Don’t even use local timezone and just use UTC? Or just live with it
> being off by an hour for a few days a year?
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Re: [AFMUG] billing again
ConVergence bought his company CWLabs which you could say eventually became CTIconnect. Charles Wu and Brian Young had a lot to do with moving ConVergence out of the MSP space into the WISP space. The Apex9 radio series was a REMEC ODU No doubt Charles was the primary influencer for a long time. He certainly did a great job selling the world on CTI and certainly helped develop many of the services and products that the ConVergence family of companies came up with or offer today. Certainly not trying to take any credit away from him for those things. Marc Kruer is the CEO - and for the most part tries to stay out of the limelight. photograph Daniel White Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 > Chuck McCown <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > August 24, 2020 at 07:57 > It was also around the time he had that Remec style radio. What do as > the connection between Charles and CTI? > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > Gino A. Villarini <mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com> > August 24, 2020 at 07:50 > > It seems like Charles was the “influencer” for CTI… getting WISPs > onboard their product/services > > > > *GinoVillarini > *Founder/President > @gvillarini > t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 > > aeronet-logo <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> inc500 > <https://www.inc.com/profile/aeronet> fb-logo > <https://www.facebook.com/aeronetpr/> insta-logo > <https://www.instagram.com/aeronetpr/?hl=en> in-logo > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/aeronet-broadband-corp> tw-logo > <https://twitter.com/AeroNetPR?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor> > > yt-logo <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCr2Q9WBrAYVm3Fn970Jd6VA> > > www.aeronetpr.com <http://www.aeronetpr.com> | Metro Office Park #18 > Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968 > > *From: *AF on behalf of Chuck McCown > > *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Date: *Monday, August 24, 2020 at 9:44 AM > *To: *Jeff Broadwick - Lists > *Cc: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] billing again > > > > In my memory Charles started it. We were one of the first customers. > We had to bail because it couldn’t accept all cards if I remember > correctly. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] billing again
I know I'm a week behind here - but I'd note that Charles Wu never owned IPpay. I'm under NDA for probably anything else I'd say :-) Brian Young can help you out with IPpay - byo...@ippay.com photograph Daniel White Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 > ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > August 14, 2020 at 09:28 > So what is the relative costs of the different billing systems. > > I see platypus is free up to 100 subs then $104/month up to 250. > Required ippay. Does Charles Wu still own ippay? > > What are the costs of the others? > Sonar > Emerald > UCRM > > The one Ivan sells. Not sure of the name. > Others? > > Is ACH cheaper than credit cards from a fee/royalty point of view? > If so can you force a 100% ACH on the customers or will that be > problematic. > I could always leave it up to them to pay any way they want but charge > a surcharge for credit cards. > > Send me a check, drop by with cash, set up auto bill pay with your bank... > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Backhaul links
That is VTX I'd bet. https://www.vtx1.net/residential/internet/ I don't know if they hang out here - but some really good engineers there. They bought RockSolid last year. photograph Daniel White Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 ch...@wbmfg.com wrote on 8/4/20 12:27: > I hear hundreds of Cambiums (should have not said Canopy) going up. > > *From:* Cameron Crum > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 4, 2020 12:16 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Backhaul links > > Nextlink moving in maybe? > > On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 10:57 AM wrote: > > Huge canopy install going on there. I don’t think the company is > Frontier but something similar. > > *From:* Cameron Crum > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 4, 2020 9:37 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Backhaul links > > Coba Systems is down in McAllen...mostly RV parks but does have > some wireless in the area. https://cobainternet.com/ > > On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 4:51 PM wrote: > > Anyone here serve McAllen? > > *From:* Lewis Bergman > *Sent:* Monday, August 3, 2020 3:07 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Backhaul links > > This is from some guy named Todd that was looped in by Ken who > I contacted to start with. > > On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 12:43 PM Joe Novak > wrote: > > Who did you talk to at Aviat? Ken Ruppel is the main > contact for WISPs. I can share his email off list if you > want. > > We're mostly utilizing SIAE today. Working in a couple > Aviat links soon just to have some vendor diversity. Both > fall well within your budget. > > > On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 12:29 PM Ken Hohhof > wrote: > > Aviat should not be $35K for an all-outdoor link, even > with their dual core radios which you don’t need for > 100 Mbps capacity. > > > > The most discussed options on the list seem to be > Aviat, SIAE and Cambium/Ceragon, maybe also > Dragonwave. Any of them should come in under $20K for > a link including antennas and license keys. You’re > not talking something crazy like 12 ft dishes, are you? > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of > *Lewis Bergman > *Sent:* Monday, August 3, 2020 12:16 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Backhaul links > > > > I don't know which model it was. They sent me a chart > and the least expensive link was something on the > order of $35k. They had 3 different models listed. All > indoor, split, and all outdoor. AF11 is not in the > picture. When I say less expensive, I mean something > on the order of $20k or less for the link and antenna. > So not super cheap. > > > > On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 11:55 AM Ken Hohhof > wrote: > > 13 km is around 8 miles so you’re looking at 6 or > 11 GHz, probably 11. Any licensed radio will do > 100 Mbps. I don’t know about 6 nines, that’s a > lot of nines. Obviously depends on your rain zone. > > > > If Aviat is too expensive for your budget, and > given that you don’t need really high throughput, > it sounds like a job for Ubiquiti AF11. I don’t > have any of them, but it seems like a match for > low price without industry leading modulation or > spectral efficiency. Only downside is I think > maybe you need to license both polarizations, so > might be slightly more difficult to coordinate in > a congested area. > > > > Which Aviat model were you looking at? > > > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of > *Lewis Bergman > *Sent:* Monday, August 3, 2020 11:45 A
Re: [AFMUG] Tesla competitor Kandi
Top speed of 63MPH. Sold! https://www.kandiamerica.com/electric-vehicle/K27 The K23 at least gets to 70MPH https://www.kandiamerica.com/electric-vehicle/K23 I'd say very different market segment than Tesla. photograph Daniel White Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 Jaime Solorza wrote on 7/30/20 13:06: > Lol. . > > On Thu, Jul 30, 2020, 11:42 AM <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: > > Looks like they could use some weed killer in their parking lot. > > *From:* Erich Kaiser > *Sent:* Thursday, July 30, 2020 11:11 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* [AFMUG] Tesla competitor Kandi > > This is going to be interesting > > > https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/kandi-technologies-stock-announcing-us-car-launch-tesla-competitor-electric-2020-7-1029451976# > > > > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT: Angry Salespersons
Maybe that is what I am doing wrong :-) I can't tell you how many hosted VoIP providers send me those e-mails... I'm like dude I think I'm covered. photograph Daniel White Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 Nate Burke wrote on 7/28/20 08:16: > It seems I've noted a trend with Cold Email sales, People trying to > sell me stuff that email me out of the blue. It seems mainly like > cloud VoIP Providers. Since they are cold emails, I never reply to them. > > They usually send some sort of Poem as the first email, with like a > 'I'm just checking in to see how you are dealing with Covid'. Then > each subsequent email is a reply to the first email with the previous > emails quoted, and the language get's progressively harsher. After 4 > or 5 emails over 2 or 3 months, They're basically like "Buy my stuff > or you are a bad person and I will come find you" I never bought a > car in the 70's but I understand this is kinda how it was. For me it > does nothing other than to make sure I never associate with that > company. I've only noticed this trend in the last couple months. Is > this a new Sales tactic that is being pushed by some sales guru? It > just seems like a strange way to try to make a sale, especially a > business to business sale. I'm not sure why you'd try high pressure > sales when you're the one that came to me, and I really don't need you. > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Antenna gain vs transmit power
You also assuming the CPE is in the main lobe (and that lobe shape isn't different between the sectors). Antenna Gain > TX Power Gain. Not only because it is bi-directional but there are plenty of benefits to increasing antenna gain and not TX power. But as Adam said... a dB is a dB photograph Daniel White Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 Adam Moffett wrote on 6/12/20 11:22: > > A db is a db, but an antenna works in both directions and tx power > only works in the tx direction. > > So they'll perform the same in one direction only. > > > On 6/12/2020 1:20 PM, Josh wrote: >> >> If you have two ptmp antennas with the same sector width and same >> model ap attached to them, and one antenna is 4 db less gain then the >> other. If additional 4db of transmit power is applied to the lower >> gain antenna, would the two sectors perform roughly the same? Is one >> db of radio transmit power truly equivalent 1 db of antenna gain, or >> is there more to it? >> >> >> >> Josh Heide >> Operations Manager >> 209-838-1221 | velociter.net <http://velociter.net/> >> j...@velociter.net <mailto:j...@velociter.net> >> 1525 2nd Street, Escalon, CA 95320 >> >> >> >> > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave multi-carrier battle
Considering how little 11GHz spectrum you have available in Chicago land already... why would you want to encourage people to license even larger chucks of spectrum that they don't necessarily need? 80MHz channels came when the FCC opted to allow the previous max channel size in 11GHz to double from 40MHz and to harmonize with 18GHz. You could argue why have a maximum channel size/emission designator at all. The answer is simple, to give as many people access to the band as possible and make frequency coordination possible. photograph Daniel White Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 Mike Hammett wrote on 6/11/20 08:37: > Generally, starting from a better-educated position is wise. > > What are the reasons for what we have now? Just that no one asked? > > What are the reasons it should stay the same? > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > Midwest Internet Exchange > > The Brothers WISP > > > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Tim Hardy" > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" > Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 9:24:30 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave multi-carrier battle > > All I meant was that 112 MHz bandwidth is an “ETSI” configuration. There’s > nothing in Part 101 that allows bandwidths greater than 80 MHz, so that > particular configuration is not allowed in the US. Other ETSI > configurations, 28 MHz or 56 MHz bandwidth are legal here and can be > licensed. > > Rules changes like this are not an easy process and require significant > backing. If this is required, you need to get WISPA lobbying it before the > FCC and it would help to get FWCC, NSMA, and CTIA as well. From start to > finish, it will likely take 2 or more years. > > >> On Jun 11, 2020, at 10:00 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >> >> I suspect you have this backward. It's not so much a rule against using an >> ETSI configuration, as the lack of that configuration in the FCC rules. It >> would have to be added to Title 47, and manufacturers would have to (self) >> certify their equipment to the new rule. >> >> What convincing arguments would you put forward for a rules change? It >> seems more like I want to buy European equipment designed for ETSI rules and >> use it here. Perhaps not the best political climate for such an appeal. Do >> you want Freedom Fries with that? >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: AF On Behalf Of Mike Hammett >> Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 8:10 AM >> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave multi-carrier battle >> >> Recommendations for changing that rule? >> >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> >> Midwest Internet Exchange >> >> The Brothers WISP >> >> >> >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Tim Hardy" >> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" >> Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 6:49:30 AM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave multi-carrier battle >> >> >> Daniel is correct, and the notion that one could coordinate and license an >> 80 MHz channel pair with a 40 MHz pair separated by 60 MHz to somehow block >> out a 120 MHz chunk to then operate a 112 MHz bandwidth ETSI configuration >> is patently false. Any vendor (integrator, radio OEM or coordinator) that is >> “pushing” this concept to licensees needs to cease. A potential FCC >> Enforcement action would be against the operator, not the vendor that may >> have promoted this illicit scheme, so buyer beware. >> >> >> Just to reiterate the primary concern - The maximum allowable bandwidth for >> any single transmit frequency in the 11 or 18 GHz bands in the US is 80 MHz. >> Any use of larger bandwidths would require at least two significant rule >> waiver requests with each FCC application. A recent review of FCC licensed >> records found no (zero) frequencies with bandwidths greater than 80 MHz, >> therefore, anyone using 112 MHz bandwidth (as discussed by at least one >> vendor in this thread) would be doing so at their own peril. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Jun 10, 2020, at 12:57 PM, Peter Kranz via AF < af@af.afmug.com > wrote: >> >> >> >> Yes you can always couple two discrete radios together with a coupler to >> achieve a 4+0, or 4 together for a 8+0 >> My comparison is for all in one units from Bridgewave
Re: [AFMUG] OT drone
You don't need the Part 107 license if you have a general aviation pilots license for commercial work, but it is recommended as if you are flying a drone and the FAA wants to revoke a license... if you don't have the drone license your pilots license could be in jeopardy. At least that was the rules a few years ago. photograph Daniel White Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote on 6/2/20 14:27: > A slight aside... > > There's a commercial drone operator license... probably needed for > this type of work. Curious if you've looked at how that interacts > with a pilot's license - since the drone license is basically a (very) > small portion of the pilot's license stuff. I mean mainly if you > have a pilot's license can you operate a drone commercially without > needing the separate license/paperwork? > > On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 2:12 PM <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: > > This is in preparation for flying a fiber route pre construction > to aid in the engineering and hopefully, if done after locates > documentation of locate paint on the ground. We do that with a > camcorder in any event. > > *From:* Steve Jones > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 2, 2020 1:42 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT drone > > rich pepo doing rich pepo stuff > > On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 2:33 PM Josh Luthman > wrote: > > 1 inch on an image 4.5 megabytes? That must have been resized... > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 3:27 PM wrote: > > Got our drone yesterday. At max legal altitude, I can > resolve stuff 1 inch or perhaps smaller. > Not sure if this image will come through. > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > -- > - Forrest > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Is PRI voice still a thing?
Assuming the LTE signal is good it shouldn't be too big of an issue. I've not done any real testing with an active SIP session but I might give that a shot soon. Thank you, photograph Daniel White Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 Seth Mattinen wrote on 4/18/20 08:44: > On 4/18/20 6:05 AM, Daniel White wrote: >> LTE backup is probably cheaper. We offer that as a solution to our >> clients at least for internet connectivity loss. >> > > Is it integrated enough to switch over to backup without interrupting > calls? Like right now if I pull the active side of the OC-12 ring the > PRI is on it will switch to the other side seamlessly. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Is PRI voice still a thing?
LTE backup is probably cheaper. We offer that as a solution to our clients at least for internet connectivity loss. Or have your VoIP switch in the cloud and have it forward if your devices are offline due to data related problems to cell phones. We only use PRI's in exchanges that are impossible to port out of. photograph Daniel White Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 Seth Mattinen wrote on 4/17/20 16:14: > Is anyone still using/selling PRI delivered phone service these days > or is it pretty much dead? > > I've had a fractional PRI for 10 years now. It comes off a mux using > an OC-12 SONET ring and it's pretty bulletproof (except for one time > someone broke into a CO to steal stuff). The problem with VOIP service > in the past is that I want it to work uninterrupted if there's a data > related problem or router problem. Are there any equivalent quality > solutions to an OC-12 delivered PRI in VOIP land or does everyone just > accept its issues in exchange for lower cost? > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Saf to af11 waveguide adapter
No adapter that I am aware of will work. photograph Daniel White Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 TJ Trout wrote on 4/17/20 12:29: > Calling Daniel White > > Do you happen to know what it takes to swap a lumina to af-11? > > Or am I stuck with calling saf or aviat for a replacement set of > radios that will volt up? > > On Thu, Apr 16, 2020, 9:08 AM <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: > > I don’t think we did a SAF adapter. We have pretty much quit > doing all adapters due to extremely low levels of sales. There is > no money in them if I cannot run more than 100 at a time. > > *From:* TJ Trout > *Sent:* Thursday, April 16, 2020 10:02 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* [AFMUG] Saf to af11 waveguide adapter > > Chuck do you make this adapter? > > Lumina to af-11 ? (Whatever the lumina waveguide port type is to > nmale ) > > need to climb up and get the part number of the antennas not even > sure what waveguide port they have according to the lumina spec > sheet there can be like 10 different interfaces... > > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT cameras with sfp
Don't use PTZ. They are far more hassle than they are worth except in really unique situations, and end up missing whatever happened usually. If you have to use something to minimize cameras... try a fisheye lens. The IgniteNet mixed media converters are fairly inexpensive. I've had a lot of interest in Verkada personally https://www.verkada.com/ Pricing is a bit high (especially at a $500 per camera budget) but 10-year warranty, onboard retention, and the cloud model is pretty cool. But cool comes at a cost for certain. photograph Daniel White Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 ch...@wbmfg.com wrote on 4/17/20 12:17: > Axis has them. Just spendy. > > *From:* TJ Trout > *Sent:* Friday, April 17, 2020 12:10 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT cameras with sfp > > I don't think you will find a camera with sfp and if you do it won't > be worth it. > > if you want a REALLY good ptz, hikvision DS-2DF8236IX-AELW > > On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 10:36 AM wrote: > > It is for my equipment yard. About 2 acres with 5 cameras up 35 feet. > So I doubt PTZ is necessary, yes outdoor. Night if I can afford it. > Like to keep it under $500/camera If possible, but you get what > you pay for. > Just trying to simplify the amount of wiring I will be doing at > each pole. > And the poles will all have motion sensing LED parking lot lights > at the top, so night may not help that much. > > *From:* Carl Peterson > *Sent:* Friday, April 17, 2020 11:10 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT cameras with sfp > > Can you give us something more to work with? Do you need PTZ? > Outdoor? Night? Max budget? > > > On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 12:00 PM Mike Hammett > wrote: > > Could use GPEN too. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > > > *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com > *To: *af@af.afmug.com > *Sent: *Friday, April 17, 2020 11:57:14 AM > *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT cameras with sfp > > Axis has some $5000 ptz cameras. They have some cheaper ones > too that show discontinued. > Anyone know of cameras with SFP on them? My distances are too > far for ethernet. I could use media converters I suppose... > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > -- > > Carl Peterson > > *PORT NETWORKS* > > 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 > > Baltimore, MD 21202 > > (410) 637-3707 > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] SMS Messages
Setting up SMS on a DID isn't very hard - depending on the platform you use it can certainly have some intelligence. You can even do SMS on toll-free. We offer it as an add on for any DID on our platform. photograph Daniel White Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 Ken Hohhof wrote on 4/6/20 16:22: > Because obviously you have a cellphone and their phone number is in your > Contacts. I'm sure Fortune 500 companies have a cellphone on the > receptionist's desk as their main phone. > > > -Original Message- > From: AF On Behalf Of Nate Burke > Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 4:31 PM > To: Animal Farm > Subject: [AFMUG] SMS Messages > > Why do customers send an SMS message to the main office number. But then > don't even say who they are? I just got one in, All it says is 'I need to > update my credit card' No other info, no Name, nothing. > > Do people think SMS is some sort of magic, and we as the internet wizards > will just magically know who they are. > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Feeling a little sad...
Matt clearly doesn't love his children once the next one is born. He probably took an FSK radio behind Cambium HQ and shot it during the 430 days... Mark don't de-install it... Matt is gonna off her too! If you are a 450i AP... you have been warned... photograph Daniel White Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 Matt Mangriotis via AF wrote on 4/3/20 14:41: > > **CLAP** **CLAP** **CLAP** > > > > I am happy for you guys!! > > > > Matt > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of * Mark Radabaugh > *Sent:* Friday, April 3, 2020 3:18 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* [ External ] [AFMUG] Feeling a little sad... > > > > From Network Operations: > > > > "We are down to just one 430 AP on the entire network. That AP is only > feeding one customer and is planned to be removed in the next few > weeks. Thank you everyone for your help in pushing this along to make > our customer's internet experience the best it can be.” > > > > Farewell old friends… > > > > Mark > > > > > > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] needs landline once per day
Well it isn't this: https://www.businessinsider.com/poland-app-coronavirus-patients-mandaotory-selfie-2020-3 It sounds like whatever the reason is is based on a policy from 20+ years ago, unless they are looking at switch traffic logs or something. Even then, you could correlate the IP address you are giving him with the VoIP call... I'd think geolocation via a cell phone would be easier. Or an ankle monitor :-D photograph Daniel White Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 Ken Hohhof wrote on 4/2/20 16:23: > > Longtime customer called to get VoIP phone service. Says he only > needs it to make one call per day and it has to be a “landline” > because they won’t accept geolocation from his cellphone. > > > > Should I worry about why someone needs to call in once per day to > prove he’s at home? > > > > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] 5.9
Thanks for clarifying for me Mark. If someone is interested in becoming a WISPA member because of this I'd be happy to reach out to Steve on your behalf (and I'm sure Mark would be too) to clarify if he would do any additional ones for free. It was incredibly generous of him to offer the 33 that were submitted at no cost... and I'm not used to calling lawyers generous :-) photograph Daniel White Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 Mark Radabaugh wrote on 3/31/20 15:50: > I don’t think that Steve has extended the ‘free’ offer beyond the > initial offer - though obviously I can’t speak for him. > > To be clear - Steve did this on his own dime for the WISPA members > that responded to his original email. > > Mark > >> On Mar 31, 2020, at 5:36 PM, Daniel White > <mailto:dwh...@atheral.com>> wrote: >> >> Steve Coran is doing it for free for WISPA Members. >> >> Cheaper to buy a WISPA Membership then pay a law firm $1k for most. >> >> I think these STAs will be extended out to about 6 months... and by >> then hopefully the FCC publishes an R to make it permanent. It was >> already making its way through the system so this will help speed it up. >> >> photograph >> Daniel White >> Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations >> phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 >> direct: +1 (702) 470-2766 >> >> Eric Muehleisen wrote on 3/31/20 14:09: >>> Submit a "me too" waiver/application to the FCC based off the WISPA >>> application. I think there are a handful of law firms that can do >>> this for you for under $1k. We asked for 90 days or until school >>> resumes in August. If you need it longer, just submit an extension. >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 3:01 PM >> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: >>> >>> If only someone knew the answers to these >>> questions... >>> >>> *From:* Mathew Howard >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 31, 2020 1:44 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 >>> >>> I would think you'd still want to work on other options for long >>> term capacity, but it would certainly be nice way to get some >>> quick capacity increases with little or no tower work. >>> I'm wondering how hard it is to get in on this... >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 2:19 PM Cassidy B. Larson >>> mailto:c...@infowest.com>> wrote: >>> >>> My concern is after the 60 days, I have to move all those >>> APs back to the original congested 5GHz space. >>> Is it worth it the time/trouble? If I move off of a channel >>> for 60 days, maybe someone else in the vicinity might start >>> using it since it’s clearer now? >>> >>> >>>> On Mar 31, 2020, at 1:05 PM, Matt Hoppes >>>> >>> <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Correct it is 60 days only at this point, with the >>>> possibility to renew it should this continue . >>>> >>>> On Mar 31, 2020, at 3:00 PM, David Coudron >>>> >>> <mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> The initial STA is only for 60 days as I understand it. >>>>> From what I have read, it doesn’t look to be permanent. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> David Coudron >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* AF >>>> <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf >>>>> Of *ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> >>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 31, 2020 1:57 PM >>>>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' >>>> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 >>>>> >>>>> How permanent is this likely to be? >>>>> One could think all of the manufacturers could roll out >>>>> the software without much effort. >>>>> But perhaps part 15 testing would have to be done before >>>&
Re: [AFMUG] 5.9
Steve Coran is doing it for free for WISPA Members. Cheaper to buy a WISPA Membership then pay a law firm $1k for most. I think these STAs will be extended out to about 6 months... and by then hopefully the FCC publishes an R to make it permanent. It was already making its way through the system so this will help speed it up. photograph Daniel White Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 Eric Muehleisen wrote on 3/31/20 14:09: > Submit a "me too" waiver/application to the FCC based off the WISPA > application. I think there are a handful of law firms that can do this > for you for under $1k. We asked for 90 days or until school resumes in > August. If you need it longer, just submit an extension. > > On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 3:01 PM <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: > > If only someone knew the answers to these > questions... > > *From:* Mathew Howard > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 31, 2020 1:44 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 > > I would think you'd still want to work on other options for long > term capacity, but it would certainly be nice way to get some > quick capacity increases with little or no tower work. > I'm wondering how hard it is to get in on this... > > On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 2:19 PM Cassidy B. Larson > wrote: > > My concern is after the 60 days, I have to move all those APs > back to the original congested 5GHz space. > Is it worth it the time/trouble? If I move off of a channel > for 60 days, maybe someone else in the vicinity might start > using it since it’s clearer now? > > >> On Mar 31, 2020, at 1:05 PM, Matt Hoppes >> wrote: >> >> Correct it is 60 days only at this point, with the >> possibility to renew it should this continue . >> >> On Mar 31, 2020, at 3:00 PM, David Coudron >> wrote: >> >>> The initial STA is only for 60 days as I understand it. >>> From what I have read, it doesn’t look to be permanent. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> David Coudron >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF *On Behalf >>> Of *ch...@wbmfg.com >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 31, 2020 1:57 PM >>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 >>> >>> How permanent is this likely to be? >>> One could think all of the manufacturers could roll out the >>> software without much effort. >>> But perhaps part 15 testing would have to be done before >>> they can sell them? >>> >>> *From:* SmarterBroadband >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 31, 2020 12:54 PM >>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' >>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] 5.9 >>> >>> So 33 companies have STAs from the FCC to use 45MHz of the >>> 5.9 band to increase bandwidth during the Covid crisis. >>> >>> What gear will support this? 450? ePMP? >>> >>> Adam >>> >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query
I was a Sales Engineer once :-) My GPA in High School was around 2.7 because I outright refused to do homework but did great at anything in class. Anyone that knew me was always shocked when I told them my GPA. My younger brother was the 4.0 Valedictorian though... but avoided any hardwork in College and got one of those degrees that in of itself isn't worth much. I did one semester of community college and said this is just like K-12 and dropped out and joined the Marines (I probably would have done far better at a good 4 year school). I had childhood asthma which really hurt my capabilities to keep up in any activity that was physical, and it wasn't until I was in the Marines that I really figured out how far I could push myself. So I was used to being picked last but it never bothered me. I've not kept up with anyone from high school, but when I have people have landed mostly where I would have thought they would. photograph Daniel White Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 ch...@wbmfg.com wrote on 3/29/20 13:07: > I have known some sales engineers and field application engineers that > have done very very well. > > *From:* Ken Hohhof > *Sent:* Sunday, March 29, 2020 12:32 PM > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query > > > One of my roommates in college was also an engineering student, but > not a very good student. Later he attributed his success in life to > his poor GPA. He couldn’t land a regular engineering design job > (didn’t help there was a recession on), so he settled for a job as an > applications engineer or sales engineer. Within a few years he had > his own company. Probably the most successful of any in our group. > > > > https://www.linkedin.com/in/wmtjones > > > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett > *Sent:* Sunday, March 29, 2020 12:58 PM > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query > > > > In gym class I was never an early draft. Usually near the last. > > I did play on local soccer and football leagues, but never stood out. > I did it because everyone else did it, and the parents said I had to > do something extracurricular. This is a bit of an embarrassing story, > but when I joined the local Pop Warner football team I didn't know any > of the rules to football. Soccer was simple to muddle through --kick > towards the other goal, don't use hands. Football has a lot of > rules. The coaches never explained how to actually play and I never > asked. I just sort of tried to emulate the kids around me to get > through the games. I never figured out what a "down" was until I was > in high school. > > I haven't stayed in touch with any of the school athletes so I > couldn't say how they're doing in life. > > > > On 3/29/2020 1:07 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: > > Since we are all successful techno nerds here, I am wondering: > > > > Back in the day, when you lined up and a couple of troglodytes > were assigned the task of picking people for their teams, how near > the front were you picked? > > > > I was frequently next to last. Better than being last. > > The troglodytes that I know have not really had great lives. > Multiple spouses, menial jobs etc. > > > > Who won? > > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Ospreys on Tower
On the Facebook tower climbing groups I am on, my impression is usually you are only allowed to climb to verify they are using the nest and then all work has to cease. Of course, those rules may be State to State. I did find this: https://www.fws.gov/raleigh/pdfs/CommunicationTowerGuidanceLetter12232013.pdf photograph Daniel White Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 Roland Houin wrote on 3/27/20 09:55: > > We can do some work below the nest > > It’s on top of the tower > > Our equipment is just below it. The nest uses our standoff’s for part > of it’s support > > > > We have done work 50’+ below the nest. > > Still trying to get someone from the dnr to confirm what we can do > > > > Roland > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett > *Sent:* Friday, March 27, 2020 10:35 AM > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ospreys on Tower > > > > Can you get work done without touching the nests? > > On 3/27/2020 10:25 AM, Roland Houin wrote: > > The ospreys have just returned. Not likely to have eggs yet. > > This is next to a lake & lots of bird watchers have eyes on the tower. > > > > Roland > > > > *From:* AF > <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman > *Sent:* Friday, March 27, 2020 10:20 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ospreys on Tower > > > > I'm in Texas and I am having to delay replacing a dead tree > because a Robin built a nest in it and is in the process of > sitting on her two little blue eggs to hatch them. I probably > would have decided to delay if I had known it but evidently the > landscaper says it is a law that you can't destrub a native birds > nest that is active. I have no diea if that was a federal or state > law. > > I did find the following: > > https://www.robertreeveslaw.com/blog/removing-bird-nests/ > > I also found a pest control persons website that states: > > If the bird’s nest on your boat belongs to a sparrow, starling, or > pigeon, you may remove it. If it belongs to any other bird and the > nest has been built and is being tended (eggs or not), you are out > of luck. > > > > No idea if any of this applies to you but there it is. > > > > On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 9:11 AM Roland Houin <mailto:rho...@fourway.net>> wrote: > > We have a tower where we need to do some upgrades etc. > > Ospreys have returned a few days ago. > > Does anyone know who to contact (Indiana) to make sure we > don’t get in trouble.. > > > > > > No one at the DNR seems to be working… > > > > > > Roland Houin > > Fourway.Net > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > > -- > > Lewis Bergman > > 325-439-0533 Cell > > > > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Hosted PBX
Co-Founded, but yes :-) We do white-label, so we help you as the ISP become a VoIP provider instead of retail, where you are buying a voice service for your own use. White-label VoIP allows you to sell the service at whatever price you want to your customers and protects your territory from subsidized competition. We help guide the ISP through the regulatory, setup, and then provide technical support long-term. We also use Netsapiens. Happy to discuss specifics with anyone if they want to book a meeting with me: https://calendly.com/atheralsales/prtdemo photograph Daniel White Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 Ken Hohhof wrote on 3/22/20 08:01: > > Isn’t Daniel White at a private label VoIP outfit now? I think the > name is Atheral. > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Jason Wilson > *Sent:* Saturday, March 21, 2020 11:23 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Hosted PBX > > > > Spin up an 3cx instance. > > > > On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at 5:56 PM Lewis Bergman <mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > We use our own Netsapuens system. I would be glad to get you a quote. > > > > On Sat, Mar 21, 2020, 6:44 PM Matt <mailto:matt.mailingli...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Right now we have a fortinet phone system with good number of > extensions. Thinking of switching to hosted pbx to make it > easier to use phone from home, when fiber is cut, etc. What is > everyone else using for phone system? > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > > Jason Wilson > > Remotely Located > > Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places. > > 530-651-1736 > > 530-748-9608 Cell > > www.remotelylocated.com <http://www.remotelylocated.com> > > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
That is why they removed full auto after the M16A1 because they found after three rounds you were no longer accurate (a bi-pod or tri-pod mounted machine gun is a different engagement strategy). One shot, one kill, ready to die but never will :) photograph Daniel White Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 Bill Prince wrote on 3/13/20 08:49: > > In my experience, firing a weapon in full auto wastes about 8 or 9 out > of 10 shots. If you're intent on killing something, semi auto wins > every time with a minimum of waste. > > I guess I'm not prepper enough, but if I have 3 boxes of ammo, that's > on the high side. If I'm going to the range, I might get an extra > couple of boxes, but that's about it. > > bp > > > On 3/13/2020 5:57 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote: >> I wonder, does buying an AR count as moronic behavior? I get the more >> ammo thing, 10,000 rounds seems a bit much but to each his own. Don't >> get me wrong, I have a few guns around and maybe a couple thousand >> rounds. >> >> I just think back to when I was a machine gunner in the Marine Corps. >> We had a 3 man crew for the 50 cal M2. The one guy carrying the >> receiver carried no ammo as he was already carrying 60 pounds of >> metal in addition to everything else he had. The other two carried >> 100 rounds each. 200 rounds for a fully automaitc machine gun tasked >> with the a major part of the fire power on a company level for either >> defense or attack. In addition, the rifle platoons each carried 1 box >> (100 rounds) per squad (13 guys) 3 squads per platoon so a total of >> 300 rounds per platoon. 3 platoons per company. so an additional 900 >> rounds for a total of 1100 rounds standard. The company commander >> might throw in a couple of extra boxes per platoon if we didn't have >> to move more than 15 miles or so. So call it 2100 rounds on the >> outside. That is for a known or intenional engagement. Nothing works >> out like you expect so sometimes you go to kill someone and nobodies >> home. Sometimes they aren't where you expect. Whatever. The point is >> that you are looking for a fight and you are carrying at most 2100 >> rounds. Now, if we were lucky enough to drive around in a humvee we >> carried about the same amount of ammo, but with us instead of spread >> around. Closer to 1800 to 2000 rounds. >> >> Of course there is a supply chain and if the battle is protracted you >> can count on resupply unless everything really goes South. I know >> you are counting on no supply chain. But man, you are either the >> worst shot ever, or don't plan on doing a lot of aiming or maybe a >> lot of warning shots. In my experience, once the first guy gets shot, >> a lot less ammo gets used by everyone after the initial panic. Seeing >> someone get shot seems to really encourage people to hide more. >> >> That makes me think, it wasn't that long ago, but I would imagine >> with all the drones equipped with heat signature equipment and the >> like, the fog of war aint what it used to be. We used to count on >> finding the enemy by sending people out to look for them. When you >> heard a bunch of gunfire, you ran towards it because that meant >> somebody found what you were lookiing for. Seems really low tech now. >> >> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 11:05 PM Steve Jones >> mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> I went to walmart. Morons everywhere. This is a frenzy. People >> acting dumb, means people will shortly do dumb things. I went and >> bought an AR and more ammo tonite. I just hope these morons stay >> calm at least till Monday when God government let's me pick up >> the rifle. Wife shut me down on grabbing a 20 gauge with a pistol >> grip for the kids. What I buy tomorrow and dont tell her about is >> a different story. >> Was talking to the lady at walmart. The truck was outside >> unloading into the warehouse more TP and ramen noodles. It will >> be wash rinse and repeat every day as morons moron. They're >> frantic. The media has people so worked up, it's like the world >> is ending tomorrow. >> I have kids, so I get a fat gubmint check every tax time and fill >> my pantry with nonperishable goods on your dime. It was nice to >> see that the canned foods we picked pretty clean, at least some >> people do have some common sense. But doing an annual shop in the >> middle of this nonsense is grueling. I had to cut out halfway >> through. These people are crazy. >> I do have
Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
You guys did it all wrong. Be a POG... sit in the rear with the beer. Only shot the M249 in combat training after boot and didn't get to shoot the ma deuce because all of the ammo was over in Iraq (I was going through boot camp as we invaded Iraq the second time). Okay I wasn't really happy with the Marines for putting me in HR basically. photograph Daniel White Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 Carl Peterson wrote on 3/13/20 07:33: > Depends on the rounds. For awhile I was stuck with an M249 (I was > aviation so that was an extra crap assignment vs a 9 mil or M16) and > we carried 800 rounds. Same 5.56 as an M16, just on a belt in a > cartridge. > > And yes, stocking up on ammunition is moronic behavior. Spend the > money on some extra dry goods you could share with your neighbors in > the event that they need help. WWJD > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 7:58 AM Lewis Bergman <mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > I wonder, does buying an AR count as moronic behavior? I get the > more ammo thing, 10,000 rounds seems a bit much but to each his > own. Don't get me wrong, I have a few guns around and maybe a > couple thousand rounds. > > I just think back to when I was a machine gunner in the Marine > Corps. We had a 3 man crew for the 50 cal M2. The one guy carrying > the receiver carried no ammo as he was already carrying 60 pounds > of metal in addition to everything else he had. The other two > carried 100 rounds each. 200 rounds for a fully automaitc machine > gun tasked with the a major part of the fire power on a company > level for either defense or attack. In addition, the rifle > platoons each carried 1 box (100 rounds) per squad (13 guys) 3 > squads per platoon so a total of 300 rounds per platoon. 3 > platoons per company. so an additional 900 rounds for a total of > 1100 rounds standard. The company commander might throw in a > couple of extra boxes per platoon if we didn't have to move more > than 15 miles or so. So call it 2100 rounds on the outside. That > is for a known or intenional engagement. Nothing works out like > you expect so sometimes you go to kill someone and nobodies home. > Sometimes they aren't where you expect. Whatever. The point is > that you are looking for a fight and you are carrying at most 2100 > rounds. Now, if we were lucky enough to drive around in a > humvee we carried about the same amount of ammo, but with us > instead of spread around. Closer to 1800 to 2000 rounds. > > Of course there is a supply chain and if the battle is protracted > you can count on resupply unless everything really goes South. I > know you are counting on no supply chain. But man, you are either > the worst shot ever, or don't plan on doing a lot of aiming or > maybe a lot of warning shots. In my experience, once the first guy > gets shot, a lot less ammo gets used by everyone after the initial > panic. Seeing someone get shot seems to really encourage people to > hide more. > > That makes me think, it wasn't that long ago, but I would imagine > with all the drones equipped with heat signature equipment and the > like, the fog of war aint what it used to be. We used to count on > finding the enemy by sending people out to look for them. When you > heard a bunch of gunfire, you ran towards it because that meant > somebody found what you were lookiing for. Seems really low tech now. > > On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 11:05 PM Steve Jones > mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > I went to walmart. Morons everywhere. This is a frenzy. People > acting dumb, means people will shortly do dumb things. I went > and bought an AR and more ammo tonite. I just hope these > morons stay calm at least till Monday when God government > let's me pick up the rifle. Wife shut me down on grabbing a 20 > gauge with a pistol grip for the kids. What I buy tomorrow and > dont tell her about is a different story. > Was talking to the lady at walmart. The truck was outside > unloading into the warehouse more TP and ramen noodles. It > will be wash rinse and repeat every day as morons moron. > They're frantic. The media has people so worked up, it's like > the world is ending tomorrow. > I have kids, so I get a fat gubmint check every tax time and > fill my pantry with nonperishable goods on your dime. It was > nice to see that the canned foods we picked pretty clean, at > least some people do have some common sense.
Re: [AFMUG] OT: Voip Innovations Support
The switch operators I work closely with have mostly abandoned VI. Outages/Issues seem to be increasing as well. We have a trunk through them but don't send much traffic. photograph Daniel White Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 Nate Burke wrote on 2/19/20 09:18: Has anyone noticed a change with VI Support since Sangoma took over? Without any data to back it up, it fees like I'm sitting on hold longer before someone picks up. They can still always solve my problem when I get through to someone, But they all sound like they're sitting in the middle of a coffee shop, or in a train station, there is so much background noise, people yelling, music playing, etc. I'm on right now and it sounds like she's on an airplane, like there is rushing wind behind her. I still have no complaints about the quality of the service, it just seems like something with Live support has changed. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] PTP820S
Andy, Most likely 22dBm is at the base modulation, and 16dBm is at the highest modulation. The license is done that way so you can take full advantage of adaptive transmit power control and adaptive modulation. photograph Daniel White Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 Andy Trimmell wrote on 2/18/20 07:19: So I’m configuring these for the first time. I ran the configuration wizard but I’m seeing that the power dbm is set to a max of 16 but my license says I can go to 22. Anyone had this happen or am I confused? I haven’t found any answers on the website to what I’m looking for. Andy Trimmell /Business Manager/ *PDS Connect* 317-831-3000 -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
