Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 and ePMP with Packet Flux Gear
Yes both sides have a puck. It's the AP hardware. With 2.4.2 it can have
10 subs.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On May 9, 2015 4:50 PM, Jon Langeler jon-ispli...@michwave.net wrote:
Ok one last question. Does Force110 PTP have GPS built into it? One end or
both ends? I should probably get a kit...
Sent from my iPhone
On May 9, 2015, at 3:28 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:
No
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Jon Langeler jon-ispli...@michwave.net
wrote:
Does non-GPS ePMP receive sync over power?
Sent from my iPhone
On May 9, 2015, at 3:16 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
Kidding right? I think all of our APs are sync over power excepting
PTP450, which only does timing port sync. We've just found sync over power
to be most reliable.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 5/9/2015 10:43 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
Why even mess with Poe sync?�
Gino A. Villarini
@gvillarini
On May 9, 2015, at 1:30 PM, Darren Shea darr...@ecpi.com wrote:
Forrest,
��� Cambium has admitted there is a problem with GPS sync over
power dropping for no reason on the ePMP APs with some software versions,
and it is a cross-platform problem. It doesn�t seem to be any worse on
our PacketFlux gear than it is on the LMG CTM-2M � and we only see this
on ePMP, never with PMP 100, 320, 430, or 450. Luckily, we did deploy the
puck antennas on all of those AP�s, and they seem to work just fine with
the built-in sync. Cambium is expecting to fix it in a future software
release.
�
�
*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
Behalf Of *Forrest Christian (List Account)
*Sent:* Friday, May 08, 2015 4:49 PM
*To:* af
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 and ePMP with Packet Flux Gear
�
I'll let others speak to the stability (as a couple already have).
A few months ago there was an issue with a mutual customer of mine and
cambium's which was having sync problems with an epmp radio.�� To date,
I don't know if the problem was with the epmp, or with the injector, or
with a gps lock, or whatever.������ I can't say that sync is a
perfect thing - from time to time, gps modules act weird, injectors don't
inject, and AP's don't work right - no matter which product you have.�
When sync does bad things, it behaves badly.� For all I know, in this
case my product *might* have been at fault.� Or not.� It's not
important for the rest of the story
In any case, somehow this problem morphed into a statement that somehow
the SyncInjectors had some sort of systemic issue which lots of wisps were
experiencing.�� I was not particularly amused by this, particularly
since I had no communication from cambium at all in relation to this
After some back and forth with my internal contact at cambium I was
informed that a) that they were tracking some *potential* issue with
external sync (usually with a syncinjector) on the ePMP and b) that they
hadn't had the time to figure out if it was packetflux-specific or a
general issue yet, and that if they determined it was related to my product
they'd contact me back.� So far, no call back, and I haven't heard any
more similar complaints - and I've had interactions with a lot of people
who use this regularly with ePMP with no known issues.� I also haven't
seen anything sync-related in the release notes since that time.
-forrest
�
�
On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 6:45 AM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications
Inc t...@franklinisp.net wrote:
General question here.� I saw something in the Cambium forum
questioning the reliability of Packet flux Sync Injectors.
�
If you use them, are your GPS syncs stable and is power output reliable
on the 450 and ePMP gear?
Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question
Am I understanding that unit correctly? It has a step-up converter from the battery, so unlike the BCM-12/24/48, the output will always be regulated 24 or 48 volts, not battery voltage? Also that it only needs a 12V battery? And can work with any DC power supply since unlike the BCM it doesn’t control the power supply output voltage? From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2015 4:03 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question This is where the BCMU-360 makes sense, 24 or 48v in one unit. On 5/9/2015 1:16 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I believe the BCM does have a battery test, maybe not as fancy. My reaction is 60W is kind of low, plus I can use 3 different sizes of TSP from 90 to 360W with the same BCM or alone as just a power supply or add the BCM later. And if it fails, I only have to replace the failed unit. And if the BCM fails, the site can run on just the TSP if I don’t have a spare. And there is a 48V version of the BCM. So it seems more flexible. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2015 12:22 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Another DC Question Has anyone looked at the Traco TBL-BC before? It seems to do a lot things other than basic battery charging and even temperature compensation. It's not all that big, but may be good for repeater sites. Seems to be about the same cost for a bigger power supply and regular BCM as this guy, but the alternative wouldn't have the battery testing system. http://www.powergatellc.com/pdfs/TBL-BC.pdf - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 and ePMP with Packet Flux Gear
13.2.1 just fixes some SNMP bugs and possibly something else, I forget, but no, nothing sync related. Well, it does give you the ability to permanently disable the on-board GPS (synconboard off via telnet) if it's acting stupid. This all started in one of the early 13.2 builds. If the iGPS has lock and you reboot the board, it boots up using the on-board first which is not right. AutoSync is supposed to go power port, then timing port, then on-board. And there's the FreeRun stuck issue. And AutoSync changing sources causes dropped sessions. I'm sure there's stuff I'm forgetting, but yeah, AutoSync isn't working right. Then there's just something.. different about 3GHz, it has a lot more issues. I don't know if it's because LBT is in the mix as well or what. I was just up there last week. Trust me, they're not ignoring this. Aaron and his team has been locked in a room for three months working on code. On 5/9/2015 10:45 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I’m actually relying on George to hound them until they find and fix the problem. Note that I’m on 13.2 which is not the latest latest FW, I don’t think there have been any sync fixes since then however. Not sure I’ve seen the issue he talks about with sync events during operation, once mine are working they are OK, I just have to remember to check sync status after any reboots. *From:* Colin Stanners mailto:cstann...@gmail.com *Sent:* Saturday, May 09, 2015 10:37 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 and ePMP with Packet Flux Gear That sounds problematic - what did Cambium tech support say? On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 7:53 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com mailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote: I’ve definitely noticed autosync issues on 450 running 13.2 FW, on both 3.65 and 5 GHz. It will report no sync from internal GPS, or it will report receiving power port sync from a CTM2 or Syncinjector (which is actually present, unlike your case) but nonetheless will freerun. Typically occurs after a power cycle, reboot and the problem clears. *From:* Zack Deveaux mailto:zack_deve...@hotmail.com *Sent:* Saturday, May 09, 2015 5:22 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 and ePMP with Packet Flux Gear For what it's worth, I've noticed AutoSync weirdness as well on PMP100 900MHz APs and it didn't seem to have anything to do with Packetflux gear. It's occurred with APs timed by Sync Pipes but also when timed by just SM timing ports. Occasionally if the AP were to lose it's timing port sync, the algorithm seemed to get 'confused'. The Event Log would list timing port sync losses. It would also list events stating that it was receiving sync via the power port which was impossible. The GUI would indicate 'receiving sync - power port' when that wasn't even a possibility, and the strange part - when timing port sync did return we were left with an AP with it's SMs dropping session and the AP GUI still showing 'receiving sync - power port' incorrectly. An AP reboot would resolve both the intermittent SM and the AP GUI display symptom completely for us until whatever triggered this state occurred again. There is no source of power port sync at these type of sites. As a workaround, I've set APs exhibiting this symptom to 'Remote AP' instead of 'Standard AP' to remove the power port as a possible sync source.If I remember correctly, that makes me not able to retrieve GPS stats when we're using a sync pipe, but should prevent the AP from freaking out if the timing pulse gets interrupted. Date: Sat, 9 May 2015 04:18:19 + From: mhoward...@gmail.com mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 and ePMP with Packet Flux Gear Yes, the 110 PTP does have a built in GPS. On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 10:32 PM, Jon Langeler jon-ispli...@michwave.net mailto:jon-ispli...@michwave.net wrote: Does the 110PTP have a GPS built in? Sent from my iPhone On May 8, 2015, at 7:16 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com mailto:geo...@cbcast.com wrote: If it has anything to do with the issue I brought up about the 3GHz 450 going nuts and the APs saying they're losing sync briefly while the SyncInjector shows ZERO events for 1PPS active for months... It's NOT the damn SyncInjectors! It's not even surge suppressors in the path. I have observed exactly the same problems on APs with SyncPipes. There's something busted with AutoSync and/or LBT on 3GHz. And when AutoSync changes sources (on all bands), I get dropped sessions for every SM that's moving traffic, which is not
Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question
If what I remember of Alpha pricing is accurate, it would cost more than everything else at the site combined. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sat, 09 May 2015 18:30:21 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question Looks sweet. Price? Anyone used one? On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 4:45 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Seems to have all you want plus more! http://www.alpha.ca/web2/products/standard-systems/dc-power-solutions/item/cordex-psu From: Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Saturday, May 9, 2015 at 6:15 PM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question The install instructions for it also mention a battery test, but like the other BCM units there's minimal information on how the test operates. I asked Traco for more information on the test it does. Maybe it's the same process as the TLB-BC I mentioned earlier today, just not documented as such. If that's the case, the BCMU seems like a slam dunk. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange https://twitter.com/mdwestix -- *From: *Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Saturday, May 9, 2015 4:22:22 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question Am I understanding that unit correctly? It has a step-up converter from the battery, so unlike the BCM-12/24/48, the output will always be regulated 24 or 48 volts, not battery voltage? Also that it only needs a 12V battery? And can work with any DC power supply since unlike the BCM it doesn’t control the power supply output voltage? *From:* George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com *Sent:* Saturday, May 09, 2015 4:03 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question This is where the BCMU-360 makes sense, 24 or 48v in one unit. On 5/9/2015 1:16 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I believe the BCM does have a battery test, maybe not as fancy. My reaction is 60W is kind of low, plus I can use 3 different sizes of TSP from 90 to 360W with the same BCM or alone as just a power supply or add the BCM later. And if it fails, I only have to replace the failed unit. And if the BCM fails, the site can run on just the TSP if I don’t have a spare. And there is a 48V version of the BCM. So it seems more flexible. *From:* Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net *Sent:* Saturday, May 09, 2015 12:22 PM *To:* Animal Farm af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Another DC Question Has anyone looked at the Traco TBL-BC before? It seems to do a lot things other than basic battery charging and even temperature compensation. It's not all that big, but may be good for repeater sites. Seems to be about the same cost for a bigger power supply and regular BCM as this guy, but the alternative wouldn't have the battery testing system. http://www.powergatellc.com/pdfs/TBL-BC.pdf - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange https://twitter.com/mdwestix
[AFMUG] sonnet tubes for guy wire ancors
Anyone ever use sonnet tubes drilled into the ground and then poured full of concrete for guy wire anchor points? We have a 100' rohn that we just purchased. Two anchors are solid but the third is anchored on the top of what could best be described as a stone and concrete pillar. The concrete is all weather beaten and falling apart and if I push hard I can move the entire pillar. It's a hard location to get machinery into but I can get a drilling machine in for putting in tubes. It can do a 16 tube dia. Thoughts? Brandon
[AFMUG] Need to pay someone to harden edge Mikrotik router
Subject says it all. Running a CCR-1016-12S-1S+ Need to find someone who I can pay to remote in and properly set up the firewall. DDOS attack was not on my Saturday bucket list. Hit me up off site with an estimate. I would imagine it should be pretty simple but I'd like to get it done well like now lol. Thanks, John
Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question
I had thrown this out to FB earlier: Thoughts the different systems. These would be for smaller sites. Bigger sites would likely get a 48v plant, 4x 100 aH batteries, etc. 1 === Traco TSP090-124 Traco BCM24 2x 12v 22 aH batteries First idea Electronics roughly same cost as #2, but larger capacity 2 === Traco TBL060-124BC 1x 12v 22aH battery Repeater site Electronics roughly same cost as #1, but has a battery testing system, could add second battery to match uptime 3 === Traco TSP090-124 Traco TSP-BCMU360 2x 12v 22 aH batteries Mostly costly option (by about $50), but could upgrade to full site without changing out BCM, can accommodate two power supplies for redundancy. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2015 4:03:15 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question This is where the BCMU-360 makes sense, 24 or 48v in one unit. On 5/9/2015 1:16 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I believe the BCM does have a battery test, maybe not as fancy. My reaction is 60W is kind of low, plus I can use 3 different sizes of TSP from 90 to 360W with the same BCM or alone as just a power supply or add the BCM later. And if it fails, I only have to replace the failed unit. And if the BCM fails, the site can run on just the TSP if I don’t have a spare. And there is a 48V version of the BCM. So it seems more flexible. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2015 12:22 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Another DC Question Has anyone looked at the Traco TBL-BC before? It seems to do a lot things other than basic battery charging and even temperature compensation. It's not all that big, but may be good for repeater sites. Seems to be about the same cost for a bigger power supply and regular BCM as this guy, but the alternative wouldn't have the battery testing system. http://www.powergatellc.com/pdfs/TBL-BC.pdf - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question
Looks sweet. Price? Anyone used one? On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 4:45 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Seems to have all you want plus more! http://www.alpha.ca/web2/products/standard-systems/dc-power-solutions/item/cordex-psu From: Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Saturday, May 9, 2015 at 6:15 PM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question The install instructions for it also mention a battery test, but like the other BCM units there's minimal information on how the test operates. I asked Traco for more information on the test it does. Maybe it's the same process as the TLB-BC I mentioned earlier today, just not documented as such. If that's the case, the BCMU seems like a slam dunk. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange https://twitter.com/mdwestix -- *From: *Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Saturday, May 9, 2015 4:22:22 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question Am I understanding that unit correctly? It has a step-up converter from the battery, so unlike the BCM-12/24/48, the output will always be regulated 24 or 48 volts, not battery voltage? Also that it only needs a 12V battery? And can work with any DC power supply since unlike the BCM it doesn’t control the power supply output voltage? *From:* George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com *Sent:* Saturday, May 09, 2015 4:03 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question This is where the BCMU-360 makes sense, 24 or 48v in one unit. On 5/9/2015 1:16 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I believe the BCM does have a battery test, maybe not as fancy. My reaction is 60W is kind of low, plus I can use 3 different sizes of TSP from 90 to 360W with the same BCM or alone as just a power supply or add the BCM later. And if it fails, I only have to replace the failed unit. And if the BCM fails, the site can run on just the TSP if I don’t have a spare. And there is a 48V version of the BCM. So it seems more flexible. *From:* Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net *Sent:* Saturday, May 09, 2015 12:22 PM *To:* Animal Farm af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Another DC Question Has anyone looked at the Traco TBL-BC before? It seems to do a lot things other than basic battery charging and even temperature compensation. It's not all that big, but may be good for repeater sites. Seems to be about the same cost for a bigger power supply and regular BCM as this guy, but the alternative wouldn't have the battery testing system. http://www.powergatellc.com/pdfs/TBL-BC.pdf - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange https://twitter.com/mdwestix
Re: [AFMUG] sonnet tubes for guy wire ancors
I have done this but the diameter was 30. At the end of the day you have to remember that normally the concrete is really there to adhere to our provide friction against the earth. Very few anchors actually have enough weight to counter the pull off the guys. The Rohn book should provide some guidance on caisson anchors and how deep they should be. Around here there are a lot of oil field service companies that will set what we call drill anchors for really cheap. They are the same thing as the anchors used for utility poles and typically have a pull rating in excess of 25,000 pounds. I would think that this would be your cheapest solution. On May 9, 2015 6:03 PM, Brandon Yuchasz li...@gogebicrange.net wrote: Anyone ever use sonnet tubes drilled into the ground and then poured full of concrete for guy wire anchor points? We have a 100’ rohn that we just purchased. Two anchors are solid but the third is anchored on the top of what could best be described as a stone and concrete pillar. The concrete is all weather beaten and falling apart and if I push hard I can move the entire pillar. It’s a hard location to get machinery into but I can get a drilling machine in for putting in tubes. It can do a 16” tube dia. Thoughts? Brandon
Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question
This is where the BCMU-360 makes sense, 24 or 48v in one unit. On 5/9/2015 1:16 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I believe the BCM does have a battery test, maybe not as fancy. My reaction is 60W is kind of low, plus I can use 3 different sizes of TSP from 90 to 360W with the same BCM or alone as just a power supply or add the BCM later. And if it fails, I only have to replace the failed unit. And if the BCM fails, the site can run on just the TSP if I don’t have a spare. And there is a 48V version of the BCM. So it seems more flexible. *From:* Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net *Sent:* Saturday, May 09, 2015 12:22 PM *To:* Animal Farm mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Another DC Question Has anyone looked at the Traco TBL-BC before? It seems to do a lot things other than basic battery charging and even temperature compensation. It's not all that big, but may be good for repeater sites. Seems to be about the same cost for a bigger power supply and regular BCM as this guy, but the alternative wouldn't have the battery testing system. http://www.powergatellc.com/pdfs/TBL-BC.pdf - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestixhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchangehttps://twitter.com/mdwestix
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 and ePMP with Packet Flux Gear
Buy 110PTPs, use radios as APs in lower density situations?
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
Midwest Internet Exchange
http://www.midwest-ix.com
- Original Message -
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2015 3:59:24 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 and ePMP with Packet Flux Gear
Yes both sides have a puck. It's the AP hardware. With 2.4.2 it can have 10
subs.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On May 9, 2015 4:50 PM, Jon Langeler jon-ispli...@michwave.net wrote:
Ok one last question. Does Force110 PTP have GPS built into it? One end or both
ends? I should probably get a kit...
Sent from my iPhone
On May 9, 2015, at 3:28 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
blockquote
No
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Jon Langeler jon-ispli...@michwave.net
wrote:
blockquote
Does non-GPS ePMP receive sync over power?
Sent from my iPhone
On May 9, 2015, at 3:16 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
blockquote
Kidding right? I think all of our APs are sync over power excepting PTP450,
which only does timing port sync. We've just found sync over power to be most
reliable.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 5/9/2015 10:43 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
blockquote
Why even mess with Poe sync?�
Gino A. Villarini
@gvillarini
On May 9, 2015, at 1:30 PM, Darren Shea darr...@ecpi.com wrote:
blockquote
Forrest,
��� Cambium has admitted there is a problem with GPS sync over power
dropping for no reason on the ePMP APs with some software versions, and it is a
cross-platform problem. It doesn�t seem to be any worse on our PacketFlux
gear than it is on the LMG CTM-2M � and we only see this on ePMP, never with
PMP 100, 320, 430, or 450. Luckily, we did deploy the puck antennas on all of
those AP�s, and they seem to work just fine with the built-in sync. Cambium
is expecting to fix it in a future software release.
�
�
From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List
Account)
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2015 4:49 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 and ePMP with Packet Flux Gear
�
I'll let others speak to the stability (as a couple already have).
A few months ago there was an issue with a mutual customer of mine and
cambium's which was having sync problems with an epmp radio.�� To date, I
don't know if the problem was with the epmp, or with the injector, or with a
gps lock, or whatever.������ I can't say that sync is a perfect
thing - from time to time, gps modules act weird, injectors don't inject, and
AP's don't work right - no matter which product you have.� When sync does bad
things, it behaves badly.� For all I know, in this case my product *might*
have been at fault.� Or not.� It's not important for the rest of the
story
In any case, somehow this problem morphed into a statement that somehow the
SyncInjectors had some sort of systemic issue which lots of wisps were
experiencing.�� I was not particularly amused by this, particularly since I
had no communication from cambium at all in relation to this After some
back and forth with my internal contact at cambium I was informed that a) that
they were tracking some *potential* issue with external sync (usually with a
syncinjector) on the ePMP and b) that they hadn't had the time to figure out if
it was packetflux-specific or a general issue yet, and that if they determined
it was related to my product they'd contact me back.� So far, no call back,
and I haven't heard any more similar complaints - and I've had interactions
with a lot of people who use this regularly with ePMP with no known issues.�
I also haven't seen anything sync-related in the release notes since that time.
-forrest
�
�
On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 6:45 AM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc
t...@franklinisp.net wrote:
General question here.� I saw something in the Cambium forum questioning the
reliability of Packet flux Sync Injectors.
�
If you use them, are your GPS syncs stable and is power output reliable on the
450 and ePMP gear?
/blockquote
/blockquote
/blockquote
/blockquote
/blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 and ePMP with Packet Flux Gear
Along those lines is what I was wondering...
Sent from my iPhone
On May 9, 2015, at 5:03 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:
Buy 110PTPs, use radios as APs in lower density situations?
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
Midwest Internet Exchange
http://www.midwest-ix.com
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2015 3:59:24 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 and ePMP with Packet Flux Gear
Yes both sides have a puck. It's the AP hardware. With 2.4.2 it can have 10
subs.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On May 9, 2015 4:50 PM, Jon Langeler jon-ispli...@michwave.net wrote:
Ok one last question. Does Force110 PTP have GPS built into it? One end or
both ends? I should probably get a kit...
Sent from my iPhone
On May 9, 2015, at 3:28 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
No
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Jon Langeler jon-ispli...@michwave.net
wrote:
Does non-GPS ePMP receive sync over power?
Sent from my iPhone
On May 9, 2015, at 3:16 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
Kidding right? I think all of our APs are sync over power excepting PTP450,
which only does timing port sync. We've just found sync over power to be
most reliable.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 5/9/2015 10:43 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
Why even mess with Poe sync?�
Gino A. Villarini
@gvillarini
On May 9, 2015, at 1:30 PM, Darren Shea darr...@ecpi.com wrote:
Forrest,
��� Cambium has admitted there is a problem with GPS sync over power
dropping for no reason on the ePMP APs with some software versions, and it
is a cross-platform problem. It doesn�t seem to be any worse on our
PacketFlux gear than it is on the LMG CTM-2M � and we only see this on
ePMP, never with PMP 100, 320, 430, or 450. Luckily, we did deploy the puck
antennas on all of those AP�s, and they seem to work just fine with the
built-in sync. Cambium is expecting to fix it in a future software release.
�
�
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List
Account)
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2015 4:49 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 and ePMP with Packet Flux Gear
�
I'll let others speak to the stability (as a couple already have).
A few months ago there was an issue with a mutual customer of mine and
cambium's which was having sync problems with an epmp radio.�� To date,
I don't know if the problem was with the epmp, or with the injector, or
with a gps lock, or whatever.������ I can't say that sync is a
perfect thing - from time to time, gps modules act weird, injectors don't
inject, and AP's don't work right - no matter which product you have.�
When sync does bad things, it behaves badly.� For all I know, in this
case my product *might* have been at fault.� Or not.� It's not
important for the rest of the story
In any case, somehow this problem morphed into a statement that somehow the
SyncInjectors had some sort of systemic issue which lots of wisps were
experiencing.�� I was not particularly amused by this, particularly
since I had no communication from cambium at all in relation to this
After some back and forth with my internal contact at cambium I was
informed that a) that they were tracking some *potential* issue with
external sync (usually with a syncinjector) on the ePMP and b) that they
hadn't had the time to figure out if it was packetflux-specific or a
general issue yet, and that if they determined it was related to my product
they'd contact me back.� So far, no call back, and I haven't heard any
more similar complaints - and I've had interactions with a lot of people
who use this regularly with ePMP with no known issues.� I also haven't
seen anything sync-related in the release notes since that time.
-forrest
�
�
On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 6:45 AM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc
t...@franklinisp.net wrote:
General question here.� I saw something in the Cambium forum questioning
the reliability of Packet flux Sync Injectors.
�
If you use them, are your GPS syncs stable and is power output reliable on
the 450 and ePMP gear?
Re: [AFMUG] Need to pay someone to harden edge Mikrotik router
Butch has a great firewall on his website. I've used it for 8 years with success. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On May 9, 2015 4:17 PM, John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz wrote: Subject says it all. Running a CCR-1016-12S-1S+ Need to find someone who I can pay to remote in and properly set up the firewall. DDOS attack was not on my Saturday bucket list. Hit me up off site with an estimate. I would imagine it should be pretty simple but I'd like to get it done well like now lol. Thanks, John
Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question
The install instructions for it also mention a battery test, but like the other BCM units there's minimal information on how the test operates. I asked Traco for more information on the test it does. Maybe it's the same process as the TLB-BC I mentioned earlier today, just not documented as such. If that's the case, the BCMU seems like a slam dunk. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2015 4:22:22 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question Am I understanding that unit correctly? It has a step-up converter from the battery, so unlike the BCM-12/24/48, the output will always be regulated 24 or 48 volts, not battery voltage? Also that it only needs a 12V battery? And can work with any DC power supply since unlike the BCM it doesn’t control the power supply output voltage? From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2015 4:03 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question This is where the BCMU-360 makes sense, 24 or 48v in one unit. On 5/9/2015 1:16 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I believe the BCM does have a battery test, maybe not as fancy. My reaction is 60W is kind of low, plus I can use 3 different sizes of TSP from 90 to 360W with the same BCM or alone as just a power supply or add the BCM later. And if it fails, I only have to replace the failed unit. And if the BCM fails, the site can run on just the TSP if I don’t have a spare. And there is a 48V version of the BCM. So it seems more flexible. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2015 12:22 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Another DC Question Has anyone looked at the Traco TBL-BC before? It seems to do a lot things other than basic battery charging and even temperature compensation. It's not all that big, but may be good for repeater sites. Seems to be about the same cost for a bigger power supply and regular BCM as this guy, but the alternative wouldn't have the battery testing system. http://www.powergatellc.com/pdfs/TBL-BC.pdf - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question
Seems to have all you want plus more! http://www.alpha.ca/web2/products/standard-systems/dc-power-solutions/item/cordex-psu From: Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.netmailto:af...@ics-il.net Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Date: Saturday, May 9, 2015 at 6:15 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question The install instructions for it also mention a battery test, but like the other BCM units there's minimal information on how the test operates. I asked Traco for more information on the test it does. Maybe it's the same process as the TLB-BC I mentioned earlier today, just not documented as such. If that's the case, the BCMU seems like a slam dunk. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/mdwestix From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.commailto:af...@kwisp.com To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2015 4:22:22 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question Am I understanding that unit correctly? It has a step-up converter from the battery, so unlike the BCM-12/24/48, the output will always be regulated 24 or 48 volts, not battery voltage? Also that it only needs a 12V battery? And can work with any DC power supply since unlike the BCM it doesn’t control the power supply output voltage? From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)mailto:geo...@cbcast.com Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2015 4:03 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question This is where the BCMU-360 makes sense, 24 or 48v in one unit. On 5/9/2015 1:16 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I believe the BCM does have a battery test, maybe not as fancy. My reaction is 60W is kind of low, plus I can use 3 different sizes of TSP from 90 to 360W with the same BCM or alone as just a power supply or add the BCM later. And if it fails, I only have to replace the failed unit. And if the BCM fails, the site can run on just the TSP if I don’t have a spare. And there is a 48V version of the BCM. So it seems more flexible. From: Mike Hammettmailto:af...@ics-il.net Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2015 12:22 PM To: Animal Farmmailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Another DC Question Has anyone looked at the Traco TBL-BC before? It seems to do a lot things other than basic battery charging and even temperature compensation. It's not all that big, but may be good for repeater sites. Seems to be about the same cost for a bigger power supply and regular BCM as this guy, but the alternative wouldn't have the battery testing system. http://www.powergatellc.com/pdfs/TBL-BC.pdf - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/mdwestix
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 and ePMP with Packet Flux Gear
Yes, though it may need sync over power?
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
Midwest Internet Exchange
http://www.midwest-ix.com
- Original Message -
From: Jon Langeler jon-ispli...@michwave.net
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2015 3:50:20 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 and ePMP with Packet Flux Gear
Ok one last question. Does Force110 PTP have GPS built into it? One end or both
ends? I should probably get a kit...
Sent from my iPhone
On May 9, 2015, at 3:28 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
No
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Jon Langeler jon-ispli...@michwave.net
wrote:
blockquote
Does non-GPS ePMP receive sync over power?
Sent from my iPhone
On May 9, 2015, at 3:16 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
blockquote
Kidding right? I think all of our APs are sync over power excepting PTP450,
which only does timing port sync. We've just found sync over power to be most
reliable.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 5/9/2015 10:43 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
blockquote
Why even mess with Poe sync?�
Gino A. Villarini
@gvillarini
On May 9, 2015, at 1:30 PM, Darren Shea darr...@ecpi.com wrote:
blockquote
Forrest,
��� Cambium has admitted there is a problem with GPS sync over power
dropping for no reason on the ePMP APs with some software versions, and it is a
cross-platform problem. It doesn�t seem to be any worse on our PacketFlux
gear than it is on the LMG CTM-2M � and we only see this on ePMP, never with
PMP 100, 320, 430, or 450. Luckily, we did deploy the puck antennas on all of
those AP�s, and they seem to work just fine with the built-in sync. Cambium
is expecting to fix it in a future software release.
�
�
From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List
Account)
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2015 4:49 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 and ePMP with Packet Flux Gear
�
I'll let others speak to the stability (as a couple already have).
A few months ago there was an issue with a mutual customer of mine and
cambium's which was having sync problems with an epmp radio.�� To date, I
don't know if the problem was with the epmp, or with the injector, or with a
gps lock, or whatever.������ I can't say that sync is a perfect
thing - from time to time, gps modules act weird, injectors don't inject, and
AP's don't work right - no matter which product you have.� When sync does bad
things, it behaves badly.� For all I know, in this case my product *might*
have been at fault.� Or not.� It's not important for the rest of the
story
In any case, somehow this problem morphed into a statement that somehow the
SyncInjectors had some sort of systemic issue which lots of wisps were
experiencing.�� I was not particularly amused by this, particularly since I
had no communication from cambium at all in relation to this After some
back and forth with my internal contact at cambium I was informed that a) that
they were tracking some *potential* issue with external sync (usually with a
syncinjector) on the ePMP and b) that they hadn't had the time to figure out if
it was packetflux-specific or a general issue yet, and that if they determined
it was related to my product they'd contact me back.� So far, no call back,
and I haven't heard any more similar complaints - and I've had interactions
with a lot of people who use this regularly with ePMP with no known issues.�
I also haven't seen anything sync-related in the release notes since that time.
-forrest
�
�
On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 6:45 AM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc
t...@franklinisp.net wrote:
General question here.� I saw something in the Cambium forum questioning the
reliability of Packet flux Sync Injectors.
�
If you use them, are your GPS syncs stable and is power output reliable on the
450 and ePMP gear?
/blockquote
/blockquote
/blockquote
/blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] Need to pay someone to harden edge Mikrotik router
For $100 butch can install and customize it and do a bunch of other optimization. Well worth it On May 9, 2015 5:46 PM, John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz wrote: Thanks. Looks like its working good. John Woodfield, President Delmarva WiFi Inc. 410-870-WiFi -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2015 4:26pm To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Need to pay someone to harden edge Mikrotik router Butch has a great firewall on his website. I've used it for 8 years with success. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On May 9, 2015 4:17 PM, John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz wrote: Subject says it all. Running a CCR-1016-12S-1S+ Need to find someone who I can pay to remote in and properly set up the firewall. DDOS attack was not on my Saturday bucket list. Hit me up off site with an estimate. I would imagine it should be pretty simple but I'd like to get it done well like now lol. Thanks, John
Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question
That's what it looks like. Seems they've refined the product brochures and datasheets. If the connected supply fails, the battery is then connected to the load (buffer mode), a step up converter is used to maintain the selected output voltage level, Vnom - 6% (typical). They also lead you to believe that it still has the TSP remote control. The module provides two inputs to connect two power supplies to facilitate a redundant system. If one of the two connected sources fails then the second supply will provide energy to load maintaining the desired operation of the unit. The unit is designed to function with the TRACO POWER TSP series, but due to its standalone nature it can be used with any type of fully stabilized 24V or 48V power supply On 5/9/2015 4:22 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Am I understanding that unit correctly? It has a step-up converter from the battery, so unlike the BCM-12/24/48, the output will always be regulated 24 or 48 volts, not battery voltage? Also that it only needs a 12V battery? And can work with any DC power supply since unlike the BCM it doesn’t control the power supply output voltage? *From:* George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) mailto:geo...@cbcast.com *Sent:* Saturday, May 09, 2015 4:03 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question This is where the BCMU-360 makes sense, 24 or 48v in one unit. On 5/9/2015 1:16 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I believe the BCM does have a battery test, maybe not as fancy. My reaction is 60W is kind of low, plus I can use 3 different sizes of TSP from 90 to 360W with the same BCM or alone as just a power supply or add the BCM later. And if it fails, I only have to replace the failed unit. And if the BCM fails, the site can run on just the TSP if I don’t have a spare. And there is a 48V version of the BCM. So it seems more flexible. *From:* Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net *Sent:* Saturday, May 09, 2015 12:22 PM *To:* Animal Farm mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Another DC Question Has anyone looked at the Traco TBL-BC before? It seems to do a lot things other than basic battery charging and even temperature compensation. It's not all that big, but may be good for repeater sites. Seems to be about the same cost for a bigger power supply and regular BCM as this guy, but the alternative wouldn't have the battery testing system. http://www.powergatellc.com/pdfs/TBL-BC.pdf - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestixhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchangehttps://twitter.com/mdwestix
Re: [AFMUG] Need to pay someone to harden edge Mikrotik router
Thanks. Looks like its working good. John Woodfield, President Delmarva WiFi Inc. 410-870-WiFi -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2015 4:26pm To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Need to pay someone to harden edge Mikrotik router Butch has a great firewall on his website. I've used it for 8 years with success. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On May 9, 2015 4:17 PM, John Woodfield [ john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz ]( mailto:john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz ) wrote: Subject says it all. Running a CCR-1016-12S-1S+ Need to find someone who I can pay to remote in and properly set up the firewall. DDOS attack was not on my Saturday bucket list. Hit me up off site with an estimate. I would imagine it should be pretty simple but I'd like to get it done well like now lol. Thanks, John
Re: [AFMUG] Deep insertion and another erection
They call it a water pilot. it is a transmitter which sents measurements to PLC http://www.us.endress.com/en/Tailor-made-field-instrumentation/pressure/Hydrostatic-level-Waterpilot-FMX21 we are going down 490 to 700 ft depending on well site Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 8:48 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: How does that water level sensor do its thing? *From:* Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com *Sent:* Friday, May 08, 2015 5:57 PM *To:* Animal Farm af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Deep insertion and another erection Doing what I do best..deep insertion. 585 ft deep and erection of 35 ft tower long week Jaime Solorza
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 and ePMP with Packet Flux Gear
I’m actually relying on George to hound them until they find and fix the problem. Note that I’m on 13.2 which is not the latest latest FW, I don’t think there have been any sync fixes since then however. Not sure I’ve seen the issue he talks about with sync events during operation, once mine are working they are OK, I just have to remember to check sync status after any reboots. From: Colin Stanners Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2015 10:37 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 and ePMP with Packet Flux Gear That sounds problematic - what did Cambium tech support say? On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 7:53 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: I’ve definitely noticed autosync issues on 450 running 13.2 FW, on both 3.65 and 5 GHz. It will report no sync from internal GPS, or it will report receiving power port sync from a CTM2 or Syncinjector (which is actually present, unlike your case) but nonetheless will freerun. Typically occurs after a power cycle, reboot and the problem clears. From: Zack Deveaux Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2015 5:22 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 and ePMP with Packet Flux Gear For what it's worth, I've noticed AutoSync weirdness as well on PMP100 900MHz APs and it didn't seem to have anything to do with Packetflux gear. It's occurred with APs timed by Sync Pipes but also when timed by just SM timing ports. Occasionally if the AP were to lose it's timing port sync, the algorithm seemed to get 'confused'. The Event Log would list timing port sync losses. It would also list events stating that it was receiving sync via the power port which was impossible. The GUI would indicate 'receiving sync - power port' when that wasn't even a possibility, and the strange part - when timing port sync did return we were left with an AP with it's SMs dropping session and the AP GUI still showing 'receiving sync - power port' incorrectly. An AP reboot would resolve both the intermittent SM and the AP GUI display symptom completely for us until whatever triggered this state occurred again. There is no source of power port sync at these type of sites. As a workaround, I've set APs exhibiting this symptom to 'Remote AP' instead of 'Standard AP' to remove the power port as a possible sync source.If I remember correctly, that makes me not able to retrieve GPS stats when we're using a sync pipe, but should prevent the AP from freaking out if the timing pulse gets interrupted. -- Date: Sat, 9 May 2015 04:18:19 + From: mhoward...@gmail.com To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 and ePMP with Packet Flux Gear Yes, the 110 PTP does have a built in GPS. On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 10:32 PM, Jon Langeler jon-ispli...@michwave.net wrote: Does the 110PTP have a GPS built in? Sent from my iPhone On May 8, 2015, at 7:16 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com wrote: If it has anything to do with the issue I brought up about the 3GHz 450 going nuts and the APs saying they're losing sync briefly while the SyncInjector shows ZERO events for 1PPS active for months... It's NOT the damn SyncInjectors! It's not even surge suppressors in the path. I have observed exactly the same problems on APs with SyncPipes. There's something busted with AutoSync and/or LBT on 3GHz. And when AutoSync changes sources (on all bands), I get dropped sessions for every SM that's moving traffic, which is not supposed to happen. So I have no reason to suspect any PacketFlux gear is at fault here. That said, they are working hard on 13.4 for Canopy and they will being looking into this soon after. And I'm told the 2.4.3 release for ePMP will be a fairly big step forward for features and fixes. It was really cool that we got the 110PTP radio as a 10 SM Lite AP with 2.4.2 as well. On 5/8/2015 4:48 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: I'll let others speak to the stability (as a couple already have). A few months ago there was an issue with a mutual customer of mine and cambium's which was having sync problems with an epmp radio. To date, I don't know if the problem was with the epmp, or with the injector, or with a gps lock, or whatever. I can't say that sync is a perfect thing - from time to time, gps modules act weird, injectors don't inject, and AP's don't work right - no matter which product you have. When sync does bad things, it behaves badly. For all I know, in this case my product *might* have been at fault. Or not. It's not important for the rest of the story In any case, somehow this problem morphed into a statement that somehow the SyncInjectors had some sort of systemic issue which lots of wisps were experiencing. I was not particularly amused by this, particularly since I had no communication from cambium at all in
Re: [AFMUG] Deep insertion and another erection
Do you put it in the bottom of the well and it measures pressure? From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2015 9:45 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Deep insertion and another erection Sends. I meant. These are city water wells. Jaime Solorza On May 9, 2015 9:29 AM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: They call it a water pilot. it is a transmitter which sents measurements to PLC http://www.us.endress.com/en/Tailor-made-field-instrumentation/pressure/Hydrostatic-level-Waterpilot-FMX21 we are going down 490 to 700 ft depending on well site Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 8:48 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: How does that water level sensor do its thing? From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Friday, May 08, 2015 5:57 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Deep insertion and another erection Doing what I do best..deep insertion. 585 ft deep and erection of 35 ft tower long week Jaime Solorza
Re: [AFMUG] Deep insertion and another erection
This one must be some kind of sonar device. How expensive is it?
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2015 9:32 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Deep insertion and another erection
We've been using this on our well since last September. Works very well.
http://www.enoscientific.com/well-watch-600.htm
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 5/9/2015 8:28 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
They call it a water pilot. it is a transmitter which sents measurements to
PLC
http://www.us.endress.com/en/Tailor-made-field-instrumentation/pressure/Hydrostatic-level-Waterpilot-FMX21
we are going down 490 to 700 ft depending on well site
Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390
On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 8:48 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
How does that water level sensor do its thing?
From: Jaime Solorza
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2015 5:57 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] Deep insertion and another erection
Doing what I do best..deep insertion. 585 ft deep and erection of 35 ft
tower long week
Jaime Solorza
Re: [AFMUG] Deep insertion and another erection
We've been using this on our well since last September. Works very well.
http://www.enoscientific.com/well-watch-600.htm
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 5/9/2015 8:28 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
They call it a water pilot. it is a transmitter which sents
measurements to PLC
http://www.us.endress.com/en/Tailor-made-field-instrumentation/pressure/Hydrostatic-level-Waterpilot-FMX21
we are going down 490 to 700 ft depending on well site
Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390
On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 8:48 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
How does that water level sensor do its thing?
*From:* Jaime Solorza mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Friday, May 08, 2015 5:57 PM
*To:* Animal Farm mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Deep insertion and another erection
Doing what I do best..deep insertion. 585 ft deep and erection of
35 ft tower long week
Jaime Solorza
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 and ePMP with Packet Flux Gear
That sounds problematic - what did Cambium tech support say? On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 7:53 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: I’ve definitely noticed autosync issues on 450 running 13.2 FW, on both 3.65 and 5 GHz. It will report no sync from internal GPS, or it will report receiving power port sync from a CTM2 or Syncinjector (which is actually present, unlike your case) but nonetheless will freerun. Typically occurs after a power cycle, reboot and the problem clears. *From:* Zack Deveaux zack_deve...@hotmail.com *Sent:* Saturday, May 09, 2015 5:22 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 and ePMP with Packet Flux Gear For what it's worth, I've noticed AutoSync weirdness as well on PMP100 900MHz APs and it didn't seem to have anything to do with Packetflux gear. It's occurred with APs timed by Sync Pipes but also when timed by just SM timing ports. Occasionally if the AP were to lose it's timing port sync, the algorithm seemed to get 'confused'. The Event Log would list timing port sync losses. It would also list events stating that it was receiving sync via the power port which was impossible. The GUI would indicate 'receiving sync - power port' when that wasn't even a possibility, and the strange part - when timing port sync did return we were left with an AP with it's SMs dropping session and the AP GUI still showing 'receiving sync - power port' incorrectly. An AP reboot would resolve both the intermittent SM and the AP GUI display symptom completely for us until whatever triggered this state occurred again. There is no source of power port sync at these type of sites. As a workaround, I've set APs exhibiting this symptom to 'Remote AP' instead of 'Standard AP' to remove the power port as a possible sync source.If I remember correctly, that makes me not able to retrieve GPS stats when we're using a sync pipe, but should prevent the AP from freaking out if the timing pulse gets interrupted. -- Date: Sat, 9 May 2015 04:18:19 + From: mhoward...@gmail.com To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 and ePMP with Packet Flux Gear Yes, the 110 PTP does have a built in GPS. On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 10:32 PM, Jon Langeler jon-ispli...@michwave.net wrote: Does the 110PTP have a GPS built in? Sent from my iPhone On May 8, 2015, at 7:16 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com wrote: If it has anything to do with the issue I brought up about the 3GHz 450 going nuts and the APs saying they're losing sync briefly while the SyncInjector shows ZERO events for 1PPS active for months... It's NOT the damn SyncInjectors! It's not even surge suppressors in the path. I have observed exactly the same problems on APs with SyncPipes. There's something busted with AutoSync and/or LBT on 3GHz. And when AutoSync changes sources (on all bands), I get dropped sessions for every SM that's moving traffic, which is not supposed to happen. So I have no reason to suspect any PacketFlux gear is at fault here. That said, they are working hard on 13.4 for Canopy and they will being looking into this soon after. And I'm told the 2.4.3 release for ePMP will be a fairly big step forward for features and fixes. It was really cool that we got the 110PTP radio as a 10 SM Lite AP with 2.4.2 as well. On 5/8/2015 4:48 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: I'll let others speak to the stability (as a couple already have). A few months ago there was an issue with a mutual customer of mine and cambium's which was having sync problems with an epmp radio. To date, I don't know if the problem was with the epmp, or with the injector, or with a gps lock, or whatever. I can't say that sync is a perfect thing - from time to time, gps modules act weird, injectors don't inject, and AP's don't work right - no matter which product you have. When sync does bad things, it behaves badly. For all I know, in this case my product *might* have been at fault. Or not. It's not important for the rest of the story In any case, somehow this problem morphed into a statement that somehow the SyncInjectors had some sort of systemic issue which lots of wisps were experiencing. I was not particularly amused by this, particularly since I had no communication from cambium at all in relation to this After some back and forth with my internal contact at cambium I was informed that a) that they were tracking some *potential* issue with external sync (usually with a syncinjector) on the ePMP and b) that they hadn't had the time to figure out if it was packetflux-specific or a general issue yet, and that if they determined it was related to my product they'd contact me back. So far, no call back, and I haven't heard any more similar complaints - and I've had interactions with a lot of people who use this regularly with ePMP with no known issues. I also haven't seen
Re: [AFMUG] Deep insertion and another erection
Sends. I meant. These are city water wells. Jaime Solorza On May 9, 2015 9:29 AM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: They call it a water pilot. it is a transmitter which sents measurements to PLC http://www.us.endress.com/en/Tailor-made-field-instrumentation/pressure/Hydrostatic-level-Waterpilot-FMX21 we are going down 490 to 700 ft depending on well site Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 8:48 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: How does that water level sensor do its thing? *From:* Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com *Sent:* Friday, May 08, 2015 5:57 PM *To:* Animal Farm af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Deep insertion and another erection Doing what I do best..deep insertion. 585 ft deep and erection of 35 ft tower long week Jaime Solorza
Re: [AFMUG] Deep insertion and another erection
Yes ..they are customized for depth. Bout 500.00 ish Jaime Solorza On May 9, 2015 10:47 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Do you put it in the bottom of the well and it measures pressure? *From:* Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com *Sent:* Saturday, May 09, 2015 9:45 AM *To:* Animal Farm af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Deep insertion and another erection Sends. I meant. These are city water wells. Jaime Solorza On May 9, 2015 9:29 AM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: They call it a water pilot. it is a transmitter which sents measurements to PLC http://www.us.endress.com/en/Tailor-made-field-instrumentation/pressure/Hydrostatic-level-Waterpilot-FMX21 we are going down 490 to 700 ft depending on well site Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 8:48 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: How does that water level sensor do its thing? *From:* Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com *Sent:* Friday, May 08, 2015 5:57 PM *To:* Animal Farm af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Deep insertion and another erection Doing what I do best..deep insertion. 585 ft deep and erection of 35 ft tower long week Jaime Solorza
[AFMUG] Another DC Question
Has anyone looked at the Traco TBL-BC before? It seems to do a lot things other than basic battery charging and even temperature compensation. It's not all that big, but may be good for repeater sites. Seems to be about the same cost for a bigger power supply and regular BCM as this guy, but the alternative wouldn't have the battery testing system. http://www.powergatellc.com/pdfs/TBL-BC.pdf - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
Re: [AFMUG] Deep insertion and another erection
How does that water level sensor do its thing? From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Friday, May 08, 2015 5:57 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Deep insertion and another erection Doing what I do best..deep insertion. 585 ft deep and erection of 35 ft tower long week Jaime Solorza
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 and ePMP with Packet Flux Gear
I’ve definitely noticed autosync issues on 450 running 13.2 FW, on both 3.65 and 5 GHz. It will report no sync from internal GPS, or it will report receiving power port sync from a CTM2 or Syncinjector (which is actually present, unlike your case) but nonetheless will freerun. Typically occurs after a power cycle, reboot and the problem clears. From: Zack Deveaux Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2015 5:22 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 and ePMP with Packet Flux Gear For what it's worth, I've noticed AutoSync weirdness as well on PMP100 900MHz APs and it didn't seem to have anything to do with Packetflux gear. It's occurred with APs timed by Sync Pipes but also when timed by just SM timing ports. Occasionally if the AP were to lose it's timing port sync, the algorithm seemed to get 'confused'. The Event Log would list timing port sync losses. It would also list events stating that it was receiving sync via the power port which was impossible. The GUI would indicate 'receiving sync - power port' when that wasn't even a possibility, and the strange part - when timing port sync did return we were left with an AP with it's SMs dropping session and the AP GUI still showing 'receiving sync - power port' incorrectly. An AP reboot would resolve both the intermittent SM and the AP GUI display symptom completely for us until whatever triggered this state occurred again. There is no source of power port sync at these type of sites. As a workaround, I've set APs exhibiting this symptom to 'Remote AP' instead of 'Standard AP' to remove the power port as a possible sync source.If I remember correctly, that makes me not able to retrieve GPS stats when we're using a sync pipe, but should prevent the AP from freaking out if the timing pulse gets interrupted. Date: Sat, 9 May 2015 04:18:19 + From: mhoward...@gmail.com To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 and ePMP with Packet Flux Gear Yes, the 110 PTP does have a built in GPS. On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 10:32 PM, Jon Langeler jon-ispli...@michwave.net wrote: Does the 110PTP have a GPS built in? Sent from my iPhone On May 8, 2015, at 7:16 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com wrote: If it has anything to do with the issue I brought up about the 3GHz 450 going nuts and the APs saying they're losing sync briefly while the SyncInjector shows ZERO events for 1PPS active for months... It's NOT the damn SyncInjectors! It's not even surge suppressors in the path. I have observed exactly the same problems on APs with SyncPipes. There's something busted with AutoSync and/or LBT on 3GHz. And when AutoSync changes sources (on all bands), I get dropped sessions for every SM that's moving traffic, which is not supposed to happen. So I have no reason to suspect any PacketFlux gear is at fault here. That said, they are working hard on 13.4 for Canopy and they will being looking into this soon after. And I'm told the 2.4.3 release for ePMP will be a fairly big step forward for features and fixes. It was really cool that we got the 110PTP radio as a 10 SM Lite AP with 2.4.2 as well. On 5/8/2015 4:48 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: I'll let others speak to the stability (as a couple already have). A few months ago there was an issue with a mutual customer of mine and cambium's which was having sync problems with an epmp radio. To date, I don't know if the problem was with the epmp, or with the injector, or with a gps lock, or whatever. I can't say that sync is a perfect thing - from time to time, gps modules act weird, injectors don't inject, and AP's don't work right - no matter which product you have. When sync does bad things, it behaves badly. For all I know, in this case my product *might* have been at fault. Or not. It's not important for the rest of the story In any case, somehow this problem morphed into a statement that somehow the SyncInjectors had some sort of systemic issue which lots of wisps were experiencing. I was not particularly amused by this, particularly since I had no communication from cambium at all in relation to this After some back and forth with my internal contact at cambium I was informed that a) that they were tracking some *potential* issue with external sync (usually with a syncinjector) on the ePMP and b) that they hadn't had the time to figure out if it was packetflux-specific or a general issue yet, and that if they determined it was related to my product they'd contact me back. So far, no call back, and I haven't heard any more similar complaints - and I've had interactions with a lot of people who use this regularly with ePMP with no known issues. I also haven't seen anything sync-related in the release notes since that time. -forrest On Fri, May 8, 2015
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2.4
No better than Ubiquiti in 2.4? John -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Friday, May 8, 2015 11:01pm To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2.4 802.11 quality :P I can't really give you a good answer. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On May 8, 2015 10:59 PM, John Woodfield [ john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz ]( mailto:john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz ) wrote: Perfect, Thanks How has it performed in noisy environments? -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman [ j...@imaginenetworksllc.com ]( mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com ) Sent: Friday, May 8, 2015 10:48pm To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com ) Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2.4 Says 27 is max on my US radio. Josh Luthman Office: [ 937-552-2340 ]( tel:937-552-2340 ) Direct: [ 937-552-2343 ]( tel:937-552-2343 ) 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On May 8, 2015 10:41 PM, John Woodfield [ john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz ]( mailto:john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz ) wrote: Will they turn up above 21dbm? If I am using a 10dbi omni in a development for example I would want them to run at 27 to equal 36 EIRP with 1db loss on the jumpers. John Woodfield From: Josh Luthman [ j...@imaginenetworksllc.com ]( mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com ) Sent: Friday, May 8, 2015 9:19pm To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com ) [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com ) Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2.4 With my 90* sectors I can do 21dBm on 15dBi @ 10 MHz. Josh Luthman Office: [ 937-552-2340 ]( tel:937-552-2340 ) Direct: [ 937-552-2343 ]( tel:937-552-2343 ) 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 8:39 PM, John Woodfield [ john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz ]( mailto:john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz ) wrote: What is the actual maximum TX power you can set these to US models?
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2.4
Yes better than Ubnt. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On May 9, 2015 10:36 AM, John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz wrote: No better than Ubiquiti in 2.4? John -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Friday, May 8, 2015 11:01pm To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2.4 802.11 quality :P I can't really give you a good answer. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On May 8, 2015 10:59 PM, John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz wrote: Perfect, Thanks How has it performed in noisy environments? -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Friday, May 8, 2015 10:48pm To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2.4 Says 27 is max on my US radio. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On May 8, 2015 10:41 PM, John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz wrote: Will they turn up above 21dbm? If I am using a 10dbi omni in a development for example I would want them to run at 27 to equal 36 EIRP with 1db loss on the jumpers. John Woodfield From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Friday, May 8, 2015 9:19pm To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2.4 With my 90* sectors I can do 21dBm on 15dBi @ 10 MHz. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 8:39 PM, John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz wrote: What is the actual maximum TX power you can set these to US models?
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 and ePMP with Packet Flux Gear
Forrest, Cambium has admitted there is a problem with GPS sync over power dropping for no reason on the ePMP APs with some software versions, and it is a cross-platform problem. It doesn’t seem to be any worse on our PacketFlux gear than it is on the LMG CTM-2M – and we only see this on ePMP, never with PMP 100, 320, 430, or 450. Luckily, we did deploy the puck antennas on all of those AP’s, and they seem to work just fine with the built-in sync. Cambium is expecting to fix it in a future software release. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List Account) Sent: Friday, May 08, 2015 4:49 PM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 and ePMP with Packet Flux Gear I'll let others speak to the stability (as a couple already have). A few months ago there was an issue with a mutual customer of mine and cambium's which was having sync problems with an epmp radio. To date, I don't know if the problem was with the epmp, or with the injector, or with a gps lock, or whatever. I can't say that sync is a perfect thing - from time to time, gps modules act weird, injectors don't inject, and AP's don't work right - no matter which product you have. When sync does bad things, it behaves badly. For all I know, in this case my product *might* have been at fault. Or not. It's not important for the rest of the story In any case, somehow this problem morphed into a statement that somehow the SyncInjectors had some sort of systemic issue which lots of wisps were experiencing. I was not particularly amused by this, particularly since I had no communication from cambium at all in relation to this After some back and forth with my internal contact at cambium I was informed that a) that they were tracking some *potential* issue with external sync (usually with a syncinjector) on the ePMP and b) that they hadn't had the time to figure out if it was packetflux-specific or a general issue yet, and that if they determined it was related to my product they'd contact me back. So far, no call back, and I haven't heard any more similar complaints - and I've had interactions with a lot of people who use this regularly with ePMP with no known issues. I also haven't seen anything sync-related in the release notes since that time. -forrest On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 6:45 AM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc t...@franklinisp.net wrote: General question here. I saw something in the Cambium forum questioning the reliability of Packet flux Sync Injectors. If you use them, are your GPS syncs stable and is power output reliable on the 450 and ePMP gear?
Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question
Only 60w Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On May 9, 2015, at 1:23 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.netmailto:af...@ics-il.net wrote: Has anyone looked at the Traco TBL-BC before? It seems to do a lot things other than basic battery charging and even temperature compensation. It's not all that big, but may be good for repeater sites. Seems to be about the same cost for a bigger power supply and regular BCM as this guy, but the alternative wouldn't have the battery testing system. http://www.powergatellc.com/pdfs/TBL-BC.pdf - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/mdwestix
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 and ePMP with Packet Flux Gear
Backup for puck failure? :-p I was looking at what to do for a couple different towers today. Gigabit SyncInjector isn't much different in price than the standard injector + distribution and yet gives you the option of sending sync over it. It comes at the detriment of being able to select polarity (Cambium vs. UBNT). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2015 12:43:52 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 and ePMP with Packet Flux Gear Why even mess with Poe sync? Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On May 9, 2015, at 1:30 PM, Darren Shea darr...@ecpi.com wrote: Forrest, Cambium has admitted there is a problem with GPS sync over power dropping for no reason on the ePMP APs with some software versions, and it is a cross-platform problem. It doesn’t seem to be any worse on our PacketFlux gear than it is on the LMG CTM-2M – and we only see this on ePMP, never with PMP 100, 320, 430, or 450. Luckily, we did deploy the puck antennas on all of those AP’s, and they seem to work just fine with the built-in sync. Cambium is expecting to fix it in a future software release. From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List Account) Sent: Friday, May 08, 2015 4:49 PM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 and ePMP with Packet Flux Gear I'll let others speak to the stability (as a couple already have). A few months ago there was an issue with a mutual customer of mine and cambium's which was having sync problems with an epmp radio. To date, I don't know if the problem was with the epmp, or with the injector, or with a gps lock, or whatever. I can't say that sync is a perfect thing - from time to time, gps modules act weird, injectors don't inject, and AP's don't work right - no matter which product you have. When sync does bad things, it behaves badly. For all I know, in this case my product *might* have been at fault. Or not. It's not important for the rest of the story In any case, somehow this problem morphed into a statement that somehow the SyncInjectors had some sort of systemic issue which lots of wisps were experiencing. I was not particularly amused by this, particularly since I had no communication from cambium at all in relation to this After some back and forth with my internal contact at cambium I was informed that a) that they were tracking some *potential* issue with external sync (usually with a syncinjector) on the ePMP and b) that they hadn't had the time to figure out if it was packetflux-specific or a general issue yet, and that if they determined it was related to my product they'd contact me back. So far, no call back, and I haven't heard any more similar complaints - and I've had interactions with a lot of people who use this regularly with ePMP with no known issues. I also haven't seen anything sync-related in the release notes since that time. -forrest On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 6:45 AM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc t...@franklinisp.net wrote: General question here. I saw something in the Cambium forum questioning the reliability of Packet flux Sync Injectors. If you use them, are your GPS syncs stable and is power output reliable on the 450 and ePMP gear?
Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question
Right, which is why I mentioned it for repeater sites, not full sites. Something where you have like an RB750, a Force110 feed coming in and maybe a couple integrated units for APs. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2015 12:42:29 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question Only 60w Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On May 9, 2015, at 1:23 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Has anyone looked at the Traco TBL-BC before? It seems to do a lot things other than basic battery charging and even temperature compensation. It's not all that big, but may be good for repeater sites. Seems to be about the same cost for a bigger power supply and regular BCM as this guy, but the alternative wouldn't have the battery testing system. http://www.powergatellc.com/pdfs/TBL-BC.pdf - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question
Powerbox? Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On May 9, 2015, at 1:57 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.netmailto:af...@ics-il.net wrote: Right, which is why I mentioned it for repeater sites, not full sites. Something where you have like an RB750, a Force110 feed coming in and maybe a couple integrated units for APs. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/mdwestix From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2015 12:42:29 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question Only 60w Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On May 9, 2015, at 1:23 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.netmailto:af...@ics-il.net wrote: Has anyone looked at the Traco TBL-BC before? It seems to do a lot things other than basic battery charging and even temperature compensation. It's not all that big, but may be good for repeater sites. Seems to be about the same cost for a bigger power supply and regular BCM as this guy, but the alternative wouldn't have the battery testing system. http://www.powergatellc.com/pdfs/TBL-BC.pdf - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/mdwestix
Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question
I believe the BCM does have a battery test, maybe not as fancy. My reaction is 60W is kind of low, plus I can use 3 different sizes of TSP from 90 to 360W with the same BCM or alone as just a power supply or add the BCM later. And if it fails, I only have to replace the failed unit. And if the BCM fails, the site can run on just the TSP if I don’t have a spare. And there is a 48V version of the BCM. So it seems more flexible. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2015 12:22 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Another DC Question Has anyone looked at the Traco TBL-BC before? It seems to do a lot things other than basic battery charging and even temperature compensation. It's not all that big, but may be good for repeater sites. Seems to be about the same cost for a bigger power supply and regular BCM as this guy, but the alternative wouldn't have the battery testing system. http://www.powergatellc.com/pdfs/TBL-BC.pdf - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question
http://www.tracopower.com/products/tsp-bcm.pdf The BCM datasheet doesn't say anything about battery tests. The part the TBL-BC seems to do differently is: = The unit incorporates full automatic monitoring for the presence and condition of the battery. Two different battery tests are carried out (passive or active) depending on the battery voltage. Both types of test are carried out once every 60 seconds and the tests last ~2 seconds. If the battery voltage is between ~21.4V and ~25.5V a passive battery test is carried out which only tests the battery voltage but does not draw any current from the battery. Between 25.5V and the maximum battery voltage, an active battery test is carried out in which a current of ~1.2A is drawn from the battery through an internal load for ~2s. If the battery voltage is determined to be below ~23.8 V after any of these tests, then a battery fail notification is given. The battery tests are only carried while the mains voltage is ok. The unit also produces a failure notification in the event of a disconnected or short-circuited battery. In the event of a battery failure in any of these modes, the LED will turn constant RED and a built in open-Collector circuit stops sinking current from to the FAIL output pin. = - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2015 1:16:35 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question I believe the BCM does have a battery test, maybe not as fancy. My reaction is 60W is kind of low, plus I can use 3 different sizes of TSP from 90 to 360W with the same BCM or alone as just a power supply or add the BCM later. And if it fails, I only have to replace the failed unit. And if the BCM fails, the site can run on just the TSP if I don’t have a spare. And there is a 48V version of the BCM. So it seems more flexible. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2015 12:22 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Another DC Question Has anyone looked at the Traco TBL-BC before? It seems to do a lot things other than basic battery charging and even temperature compensation. It's not all that big, but may be good for repeater sites. Seems to be about the same cost for a bigger power supply and regular BCM as this guy, but the alternative wouldn't have the battery testing system. http://www.powergatellc.com/pdfs/TBL-BC.pdf - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
Re: [AFMUG] Deep insertion and another erection
We got ours for a little over $400; they were running a 10% off deal for
our home owner group. There are a couple dozen (at least) of our
neighbors that are using it, so we have been comparing notes.
Yes, it's kind of a sonar device. It sends a low frequency pulse (~~ 50
Hz or so) down the well about once per second, and listens for the echo.
It then stores the data in non-volatile memory at a programmed interval
(default is once per minute, and I have ours set for once every 30 minutes).
Ours is complicated by the fact that our well head is ~~ 200 yards from
the house, and the only power there is switched from the storage tanks
up the hill behind our house (opposite direction). So I have a couple of
small batteries that I swap every couple of weeks. About once a month I
download the data from the storage (it has an integrated USB port).
So we have about 8 months of data with ours now, and we are starting to
get some information on the aquifer behavior, as well as how often and
how long our well pump runs. It also tells us what effect the well pump
running has on the water table, and how quickly it recovers. This has
brought me (at least) some comfort in the health of our water well,
during this time of drought.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 5/9/2015 9:47 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
This one must be some kind of sonar device. How expensive is it?
*From:* Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Saturday, May 09, 2015 9:32 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Deep insertion and another erection
We've been using this on our well since last September. Works very well.
http://www.enoscientific.com/well-watch-600.htm
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 5/9/2015 8:28 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
They call it a water pilot. it is a transmitter which sents
measurements to PLC
http://www.us.endress.com/en/Tailor-made-field-instrumentation/pressure/Hydrostatic-level-Waterpilot-FMX21
we are going down 490 to 700 ft depending on well site
Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390
On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 8:48 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
How does that water level sensor do its thing?
*From:* Jaime Solorza mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Friday, May 08, 2015 5:57 PM
*To:* Animal Farm mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Deep insertion and another erection
Doing what I do best..deep insertion. 585 ft deep and erection
of 35 ft tower long week
Jaime Solorza
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 and ePMP with Packet Flux Gear
Why even mess with Poe sync? Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On May 9, 2015, at 1:30 PM, Darren Shea darr...@ecpi.commailto:darr...@ecpi.com wrote: Forrest, Cambium has admitted there is a problem with GPS sync over power dropping for no reason on the ePMP APs with some software versions, and it is a cross-platform problem. It doesn’t seem to be any worse on our PacketFlux gear than it is on the LMG CTM-2M – and we only see this on ePMP, never with PMP 100, 320, 430, or 450. Luckily, we did deploy the puck antennas on all of those AP’s, and they seem to work just fine with the built-in sync. Cambium is expecting to fix it in a future software release. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List Account) Sent: Friday, May 08, 2015 4:49 PM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 and ePMP with Packet Flux Gear I'll let others speak to the stability (as a couple already have). A few months ago there was an issue with a mutual customer of mine and cambium's which was having sync problems with an epmp radio. To date, I don't know if the problem was with the epmp, or with the injector, or with a gps lock, or whatever. I can't say that sync is a perfect thing - from time to time, gps modules act weird, injectors don't inject, and AP's don't work right - no matter which product you have. When sync does bad things, it behaves badly. For all I know, in this case my product *might* have been at fault. Or not. It's not important for the rest of the story In any case, somehow this problem morphed into a statement that somehow the SyncInjectors had some sort of systemic issue which lots of wisps were experiencing. I was not particularly amused by this, particularly since I had no communication from cambium at all in relation to this After some back and forth with my internal contact at cambium I was informed that a) that they were tracking some *potential* issue with external sync (usually with a syncinjector) on the ePMP and b) that they hadn't had the time to figure out if it was packetflux-specific or a general issue yet, and that if they determined it was related to my product they'd contact me back. So far, no call back, and I haven't heard any more similar complaints - and I've had interactions with a lot of people who use this regularly with ePMP with no known issues. I also haven't seen anything sync-related in the release notes since that time. -forrest On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 6:45 AM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc t...@franklinisp.netmailto:t...@franklinisp.net wrote: General question here. I saw something in the Cambium forum questioning the reliability of Packet flux Sync Injectors. If you use them, are your GPS syncs stable and is power output reliable on the 450 and ePMP gear?
Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question
Price? I believe there are better options Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On May 9, 2015, at 1:57 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.netmailto:af...@ics-il.net wrote: Right, which is why I mentioned it for repeater sites, not full sites. Something where you have like an RB750, a Force110 feed coming in and maybe a couple integrated units for APs. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/mdwestix From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2015 12:42:29 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question Only 60w Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On May 9, 2015, at 1:23 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.netmailto:af...@ics-il.net wrote: Has anyone looked at the Traco TBL-BC before? It seems to do a lot things other than basic battery charging and even temperature compensation. It's not all that big, but may be good for repeater sites. Seems to be about the same cost for a bigger power supply and regular BCM as this guy, but the alternative wouldn't have the battery testing system. http://www.powergatellc.com/pdfs/TBL-BC.pdf - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/mdwestix
Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question
$176 As far as PowerBox, are you talking about the Australians? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2015 1:06:54 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question Price? I believe there are better options Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On May 9, 2015, at 1:57 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Right, which is why I mentioned it for repeater sites, not full sites. Something where you have like an RB750, a Force110 feed coming in and maybe a couple integrated units for APs. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2015 12:42:29 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question Only 60w Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On May 9, 2015, at 1:23 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: blockquote Has anyone looked at the Traco TBL-BC before? It seems to do a lot things other than basic battery charging and even temperature compensation. It's not all that big, but may be good for repeater sites. Seems to be about the same cost for a bigger power supply and regular BCM as this guy, but the alternative wouldn't have the battery testing system. http://www.powergatellc.com/pdfs/TBL-BC.pdf - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question
The Mikrotik outdoor Poe router, powerboard? Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On May 9, 2015, at 2:11 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.netmailto:af...@ics-il.net wrote: $176 As far as PowerBox, are you talking about the Australians? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/mdwestix From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2015 1:06:54 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question Price? I believe there are better options Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On May 9, 2015, at 1:57 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.netmailto:af...@ics-il.net wrote: Right, which is why I mentioned it for repeater sites, not full sites. Something where you have like an RB750, a Force110 feed coming in and maybe a couple integrated units for APs. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/mdwestix From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2015 12:42:29 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question Only 60w Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On May 9, 2015, at 1:23 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.netmailto:af...@ics-il.net wrote: Has anyone looked at the Traco TBL-BC before? It seems to do a lot things other than basic battery charging and even temperature compensation. It's not all that big, but may be good for repeater sites. Seems to be about the same cost for a bigger power supply and regular BCM as this guy, but the alternative wouldn't have the battery testing system. http://www.powergatellc.com/pdfs/TBL-BC.pdf - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/mdwestix
Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question
It has a battery OK contact closure output, and a jumper to set the battery test interval to 10 minutes (default) or 15 seconds. The installation instructions say the battery test current is 2.5A for 60ms. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2015 1:20 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question http://www.tracopower.com/products/tsp-bcm.pdf The BCM datasheet doesn't say anything about battery tests. The part the TBL-BC seems to do differently is: = The unit incorporates full automatic monitoring for the presence and condition of the battery. Two different battery tests are carried out (passive or active) depending on the battery voltage. Both types of test are carried out once every 60 seconds and the tests last ~2 seconds. If the battery voltage is between ~21.4V and ~25.5V a passive battery test is carried out which only tests the battery voltage but does not draw any current from the battery. Between 25.5V and the maximum battery voltage, an active battery test is carried out in which a current of ~1.2A is drawn from the battery through an internal load for ~2s. If the battery voltage is determined to be below ~23.8 V after any of these tests, then a battery fail notification is given. The battery tests are only carried while the mains voltage is ok. The unit also produces a failure notification in the event of a disconnected or short-circuited battery. In the event of a battery failure in any of these modes, the LED will turn constant RED and a built in open-Collector circuit stops sinking current from to the FAIL output pin. = - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2015 1:16:35 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question I believe the BCM does have a battery test, maybe not as fancy. My reaction is 60W is kind of low, plus I can use 3 different sizes of TSP from 90 to 360W with the same BCM or alone as just a power supply or add the BCM later. And if it fails, I only have to replace the failed unit. And if the BCM fails, the site can run on just the TSP if I don’t have a spare. And there is a 48V version of the BCM. So it seems more flexible. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2015 12:22 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Another DC Question Has anyone looked at the Traco TBL-BC before? It seems to do a lot things other than basic battery charging and even temperature compensation. It's not all that big, but may be good for repeater sites. Seems to be about the same cost for a bigger power supply and regular BCM as this guy, but the alternative wouldn't have the battery testing system. http://www.powergatellc.com/pdfs/TBL-BC.pdf - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
Re: [AFMUG] Deep insertion and another erection
Exactly. Health of wells is vital as our Hueco Bosom aquifer is getting
low. Our area has been on conservativation mode for a while. California
engineers in town studying our systems. Dell City and Antelope Wells have
water but over 70 miles away and mountain range in path.
Jaime Solorza
On May 9, 2015 11:35 AM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
We got ours for a little over $400; they were running a 10% off deal for
our home owner group. There are a couple dozen (at least) of our neighbors
that are using it, so we have been comparing notes.
Yes, it's kind of a sonar device. It sends a low frequency pulse (~~ 50 Hz
or so) down the well about once per second, and listens for the echo. It
then stores the data in non-volatile memory at a programmed interval
(default is once per minute, and I have ours set for once every 30 minutes).
Ours is complicated by the fact that our well head is ~~ 200 yards from
the house, and the only power there is switched from the storage tanks up
the hill behind our house (opposite direction). So I have a couple of small
batteries that I swap every couple of weeks. About once a month I download
the data from the storage (it has an integrated USB port).
So we have about 8 months of data with ours now, and we are starting to
get some information on the aquifer behavior, as well as how often and how
long our well pump runs. It also tells us what effect the well pump running
has on the water table, and how quickly it recovers. This has brought me
(at least) some comfort in the health of our water well, during this time
of drought.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 5/9/2015 9:47 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
This one must be some kind of sonar device. How expensive is it?
*From:* Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Saturday, May 09, 2015 9:32 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Deep insertion and another erection
We've been using this on our well since last September. Works very well.
http://www.enoscientific.com/well-watch-600.htm
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 5/9/2015 8:28 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
They call it a water pilot. it is a transmitter which sents measurements
to PLC
http://www.us.endress.com/en/Tailor-made-field-instrumentation/pressure/Hydrostatic-level-Waterpilot-FMX21
we are going down 490 to 700 ft depending on well site
Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390
On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 8:48 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
How does that water level sensor do its thing?
*From:* Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Friday, May 08, 2015 5:57 PM
*To:* Animal Farm af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Deep insertion and another erection
Doing what I do best..deep insertion. 585 ft deep and erection of 35 ft
tower long week
Jaime Solorza
Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question
Oh, I forgot about that as it didn't interest me when it came out. I would have the opposite problem as the SyncInjector, though without the sync. On the SyncInjector I'd have to wire non-Cambium devices backwards. With the PowerBox I'd have to wire Cambium devices backwards. That's not that big of a deal. Would lose the redundant timing ability. Would have to go to another method of power injection when I exceeded the capabilities of the built-in 750. Would still need to arrange surge suppression. Chuck's GigE-TWR is a bit out of my budget. ;-) Certainly a viable solution for everything at the site other than the initial question posed. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2015 1:23:10 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question The Mikrotik outdoor Poe router, powerboard? Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On May 9, 2015, at 2:11 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: $176 As far as PowerBox, are you talking about the Australians? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2015 1:06:54 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question Price? I believe there are better options Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On May 9, 2015, at 1:57 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: blockquote Right, which is why I mentioned it for repeater sites, not full sites. Something where you have like an RB750, a Force110 feed coming in and maybe a couple integrated units for APs. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2015 12:42:29 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question Only 60w Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On May 9, 2015, at 1:23 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: blockquote Has anyone looked at the Traco TBL-BC before? It seems to do a lot things other than basic battery charging and even temperature compensation. It's not all that big, but may be good for repeater sites. Seems to be about the same cost for a bigger power supply and regular BCM as this guy, but the alternative wouldn't have the battery testing system. http://www.powergatellc.com/pdfs/TBL-BC.pdf - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com /blockquote /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 and ePMP with Packet Flux Gear
Kidding right? I think all of our APs are sync over power excepting
PTP450, which only does timing port sync. We've just found sync over
power to be most reliable.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 5/9/2015 10:43 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
Why even mess with Poe sync?
Gino A. Villarini
@gvillarini
On May 9, 2015, at 1:30 PM, Darren Shea darr...@ecpi.com
mailto:darr...@ecpi.com wrote:
Forrest,
Cambium has admitted there is a problem with GPS sync over power
dropping for no reason on the ePMP APs with some software versions,
and it is a cross-platform problem. It doesn�t seem to be any worse
on our PacketFlux gear than it is on the LMG CTM-2M � and we only see
this on ePMP, never with PMP 100, 320, 430, or 450. Luckily, we did
deploy the puck antennas on all of those AP�s, and they seem to work
just fine with the built-in sync. Cambium is expecting to fix it in a
future software release.
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Forrest
Christian (List Account)
*Sent:* Friday, May 08, 2015 4:49 PM
*To:* af
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 and ePMP with Packet Flux Gear
I'll let others speak to the stability (as a couple already have).
A few months ago there was an issue with a mutual customer of mine
and cambium's which was having sync problems with an epmp radio. To
date, I don't know if the problem was with the epmp, or with the
injector, or with a gps lock, or whatever. I can't say that
sync is a perfect thing - from time to time, gps modules act weird,
injectors don't inject, and AP's don't work right - no matter which
product you have. When sync does bad things, it behaves badly. For
all I know, in this case my product *might* have been at fault. Or
not. It's not important for the rest of the story
In any case, somehow this problem morphed into a statement that
somehow the SyncInjectors had some sort of systemic issue which lots
of wisps were experiencing. I was not particularly amused by this,
particularly since I had no communication from cambium at all in
relation to this After some back and forth with my internal
contact at cambium I was informed that a) that they were tracking
some *potential* issue with external sync (usually with a
syncinjector) on the ePMP and b) that they hadn't had the time to
figure out if it was packetflux-specific or a general issue yet, and
that if they determined it was related to my product they'd contact
me back. So far, no call back, and I haven't heard any more similar
complaints - and I've had interactions with a lot of people who use
this regularly with ePMP with no known issues. I also haven't seen
anything sync-related in the release notes since that time.
-forrest
On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 6:45 AM, Tyson Burris @ Internet
Communications Inc t...@franklinisp.net mailto:t...@franklinisp.net
wrote:
General question here. I saw something in the Cambium forum
questioning the reliability of Packet flux Sync Injectors.
If you use them, are your GPS syncs stable and is power output
reliable on the 450 and ePMP gear?
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 and ePMP with Packet Flux Gear
Does non-GPS ePMP receive sync over power?
Sent from my iPhone
On May 9, 2015, at 3:16 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
Kidding right? I think all of our APs are sync over power excepting PTP450,
which only does timing port sync. We've just found sync over power to be most
reliable.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 5/9/2015 10:43 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
Why even mess with Poe sync?�
Gino A. Villarini
@gvillarini
On May 9, 2015, at 1:30 PM, Darren Shea darr...@ecpi.com wrote:
Forrest,
��� Cambium has admitted there is a problem with GPS sync over power
dropping for no reason on the ePMP APs with some software versions, and it
is a cross-platform problem. It doesn�t seem to be any worse on our
PacketFlux gear than it is on the LMG CTM-2M � and we only see this on
ePMP, never with PMP 100, 320, 430, or 450. Luckily, we did deploy the puck
antennas on all of those AP�s, and they seem to work just fine with the
built-in sync. Cambium is expecting to fix it in a future software release.
�
�
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List
Account)
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2015 4:49 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 and ePMP with Packet Flux Gear
�
I'll let others speak to the stability (as a couple already have).
A few months ago there was an issue with a mutual customer of mine and
cambium's which was having sync problems with an epmp radio.�� To date,
I don't know if the problem was with the epmp, or with the injector, or
with a gps lock, or whatever.������ I can't say that sync is a
perfect thing - from time to time, gps modules act weird, injectors don't
inject, and AP's don't work right - no matter which product you have.�
When sync does bad things, it behaves badly.� For all I know, in this
case my product *might* have been at fault.� Or not.� It's not
important for the rest of the story
In any case, somehow this problem morphed into a statement that somehow the
SyncInjectors had some sort of systemic issue which lots of wisps were
experiencing.�� I was not particularly amused by this, particularly
since I had no communication from cambium at all in relation to this
After some back and forth with my internal contact at cambium I was
informed that a) that they were tracking some *potential* issue with
external sync (usually with a syncinjector) on the ePMP and b) that they
hadn't had the time to figure out if it was packetflux-specific or a
general issue yet, and that if they determined it was related to my product
they'd contact me back.� So far, no call back, and I haven't heard any
more similar complaints - and I've had interactions with a lot of people
who use this regularly with ePMP with no known issues.� I also haven't
seen anything sync-related in the release notes since that time.
-forrest
�
�
On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 6:45 AM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc
t...@franklinisp.net wrote:
General question here.� I saw something in the Cambium forum questioning
the reliability of Packet flux Sync Injectors.
�
If you use them, are your GPS syncs stable and is power output reliable on
the 450 and ePMP gear?
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 and ePMP with Packet Flux Gear
No
Josh Luthman
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On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Jon Langeler jon-ispli...@michwave.net
wrote:
Does non-GPS ePMP receive sync over power?
Sent from my iPhone
On May 9, 2015, at 3:16 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
Kidding right? I think all of our APs are sync over power excepting
PTP450, which only does timing port sync. We've just found sync over power
to be most reliable.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 5/9/2015 10:43 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
Why even mess with Poe sync?�
Gino A. Villarini
@gvillarini
On May 9, 2015, at 1:30 PM, Darren Shea darr...@ecpi.com wrote:
Forrest,
��� Cambium has admitted there is a problem with GPS sync over power
dropping for no reason on the ePMP APs with some software versions, and it
is a cross-platform problem. It doesn�t seem to be any worse on our
PacketFlux gear than it is on the LMG CTM-2M � and we only see this on
ePMP, never with PMP 100, 320, 430, or 450. Luckily, we did deploy the puck
antennas on all of those AP�s, and they seem to work just fine with the
built-in sync. Cambium is expecting to fix it in a future software release.
�
�
*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
Behalf Of *Forrest Christian (List Account)
*Sent:* Friday, May 08, 2015 4:49 PM
*To:* af
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 and ePMP with Packet Flux Gear
�
I'll let others speak to the stability (as a couple already have).
A few months ago there was an issue with a mutual customer of mine and
cambium's which was having sync problems with an epmp radio.�� To date,
I don't know if the problem was with the epmp, or with the injector, or
with a gps lock, or whatever.������ I can't say that sync is a
perfect thing - from time to time, gps modules act weird, injectors don't
inject, and AP's don't work right - no matter which product you have.�
When sync does bad things, it behaves badly.� For all I know, in this
case my product *might* have been at fault.� Or not.� It's not
important for the rest of the story
In any case, somehow this problem morphed into a statement that somehow
the SyncInjectors had some sort of systemic issue which lots of wisps were
experiencing.�� I was not particularly amused by this, particularly
since I had no communication from cambium at all in relation to this
After some back and forth with my internal contact at cambium I was
informed that a) that they were tracking some *potential* issue with
external sync (usually with a syncinjector) on the ePMP and b) that they
hadn't had the time to figure out if it was packetflux-specific or a
general issue yet, and that if they determined it was related to my product
they'd contact me back.� So far, no call back, and I haven't heard any
more similar complaints - and I've had interactions with a lot of people
who use this regularly with ePMP with no known issues.� I also haven't
seen anything sync-related in the release notes since that time.
-forrest
�
�
On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 6:45 AM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc
t...@franklinisp.net wrote:
General question here.� I saw something in the Cambium forum questioning
the reliability of Packet flux Sync Injectors.
�
If you use them, are your GPS syncs stable and is power output reliable on
the 450 and ePMP gear?
