Re: [AFMUG] OT: Need Some Help!

[Sterling Jacobson]

Venmo?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, April 3, 2017 9:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Need Some Help!

Is there an alternate PayPal account for people who don't trust credit card 
donations to the most targeted funding source on the planet?

On Apr 3, 2017 6:31 PM, "Gino Villarini" 
> wrote:
$4k to pay for the coach travel and other expenses

From: Af > on behalf of Mitch 
Koep >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Monday, April 3, 2017 at 7:12 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Need Some Help!


How much are they trying to get?

Mitch




Gino Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968


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On 04/03/2017 06:05 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
OT: Excuse the OT email, but would like to get some help from the fine crowd of 
WISPs!
My Son's LEGO Robotics烙 team are working hard to get some funding for their 
Championship trip ✈️ to Houston! This is a great experience! Working on their 
programming skills, team skills and entrepreneurial skills!
Any amount donation would be greatly appreciated! ❤️
https://www.gofundme.com/tech-dragons-competiton-funding



Gino Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968


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--

Mitch Koep



A Better Wireless

218-851-8689 cell

[AFMUG] Are APC products available through wholesalers?

[Rory Conaway]

Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO
4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

"An optimist will tell you the glass is half-full; the pessimist, half-empty; 
and the engineer will tell you the glass is twice the size it needs to be"

Re: [AFMUG] Maybe Ot

[Mathew Howard]

As far as I know, Cambium has never made anything that comes anywhere near
being ably to use 160mhz in 5ghz... unless he's talking about multiple APs.
Mimosa can use 160mhz... but I don't know of anything else that will in a
single (outdoor) radio.

On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 10:33 PM, Jay Weekley 
wrote:

> Steve is back!
>
> Steve Jones wrote:
>
>> So, 5his douchecanoe contacted one of our landlords recently. The
>> particular sight has been problematic for 5ghz lately. I'm familiar with
>> the prick. I dealt with his nonsense last week. I'm norma)y ass hole level
>> good steward of the spectrum, I never ever take more than I need even on
>> the isp side,  I atpc where I can, I mount low where I can. I actually take
>> this pretty seriously, I even cost myself a long link to the new rules even
>> though I'm grandfathered, I'm spectrum  ocd that way.
>> This asshole, I got called by a buddy who mismanaged his time with a
>> ptp650 set on a two hop bank link. The best I could do was a team viewer. I
>> took care of the long link, which was locally shitty in 5.8. The license
>> upgrade required a more current firmware. Of course it was 5.4 and cac so 8
>> had the local dick ride over to put it in 5.8 to come back up. This is a
>> less than .1 mile link mind you.
>> The entire 5.4 is -50s. 5.2/3 the same. Apparently prickfuck hasn't
>> upgrade has firmware enough to fuck 5.1 enough. I really only needed 10mhz
>> of 5.1 to match the long link capacity, so I went to a 40 mhz channel out
>> of spite.
>> The shit bag causing the noise  who is using massive spectrum on old
>> firmware or "test" channels (this is verified by the number of times I've
>> dealt with this prick second hand) is wanting to colicky with us. (He's a
>> "cable" provider) I suspect 8s some sort of ghetto multistage almost all
>> transmit. He has only talked to the boss not me. Said there is 160mhz, he'd
>> be willing to split 80x80 with us, which fully indicates this douchefucks
>> capability.
>> I just want to tell the boss to let him on (we do have sweet contracts
>> with landlords that give us site ownership  of spectrum) just so I can call
>> the fcc to get this prick some real fines. I do suspect he even hits
>> weather radar, but I don't know.
>> Who do we contact with the fcc to snitch? I never have been in a position
>> where there was as blatant of an abuse as this  tool that it's something I
>> would ever have considered  but now I just want to set him up to bust him.
>>
>>
>>
>> On a side note he says he uses cambium gear that can use it 160mhz
>> spectrum in 5g, does such a beast exist?
>>
>> No virus found in this message.
>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
>> Version: 2016.0.8012 / Virus Database: 4769/14234 - Release Date: 04/03/17
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Maybe Ot

[Jay Weekley]

Steve is back!

Steve Jones wrote:
So, 5his douchecanoe contacted one of our landlords recently. The 
particular sight has been problematic for 5ghz lately. I'm familiar 
with the prick. I dealt with his nonsense last week. I'm norma)y ass 
hole level good steward of the spectrum, I never ever take more than I 
need even on the isp side,  I atpc where I can, I mount low where I 
can. I actually take this pretty seriously, I even cost myself a long 
link to the new rules even though I'm grandfathered, I'm spectrum  ocd 
that way.
This asshole, I got called by a buddy who mismanaged his time with a 
ptp650 set on a two hop bank link. The best I could do was a team 
viewer. I took care of the long link, which was locally shitty in 5.8. 
The license upgrade required a more current firmware. Of course it was 
5.4 and cac so 8 had the local dick ride over to put it in 5.8 to come 
back up. This is a less than .1 mile link mind you.
The entire 5.4 is -50s. 5.2/3 the same. Apparently prickfuck hasn't 
upgrade has firmware enough to fuck 5.1 enough. I really only needed 
10mhz of 5.1 to match the long link capacity, so I went to a 40 mhz 
channel out of spite.
The shit bag causing the noise  who is using massive spectrum on old 
firmware or "test" channels (this is verified by the number of times 
I've dealt with this prick second hand) is wanting to colicky with us. 
(He's a "cable" provider) I suspect 8s some sort of ghetto multistage 
almost all transmit. He has only talked to the boss not me. Said there 
is 160mhz, he'd be willing to split 80x80 with us, which fully 
indicates this douchefucks capability.
I just want to tell the boss to let him on (we do have sweet contracts 
with landlords that give us site ownership  of spectrum) just so I can 
call the fcc to get this prick some real fines. I do suspect he even 
hits weather radar, but I don't know.
Who do we contact with the fcc to snitch? I never have been in a 
position where there was as blatant of an abuse as this  tool that 
it's something I would ever have considered  but now I just want to 
set him up to bust him.




On a side note he says he uses cambium gear that can use it 160mhz 
spectrum in 5g, does such a beast exist?


No virus found in this message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
Version: 2016.0.8012 / Virus Database: 4769/14234 - Release Date: 04/03/17

[AFMUG] Maybe Ot

[Steve Jones]

So, 5his douchecanoe contacted one of our landlords recently. The
particular sight has been problematic for 5ghz lately. I'm familiar with
the prick. I dealt with his nonsense last week. I'm norma)y ass hole level
good steward of the spectrum, I never ever take more than I need even on
the isp side,  I atpc where I can, I mount low where I can. I actually take
this pretty seriously, I even cost myself a long link to the new rules even
though I'm grandfathered, I'm spectrum  ocd that way.
This asshole, I got called by a buddy who mismanaged his time with a ptp650
set on a two hop bank link. The best I could do was a team viewer. I took
care of the long link, which was locally shitty in 5.8. The license upgrade
required a more current firmware. Of course it was 5.4 and cac so 8 had the
local dick ride over to put it in 5.8 to come back up. This is a less than
.1 mile link mind you.
The entire 5.4 is -50s. 5.2/3 the same. Apparently prickfuck hasn't upgrade
has firmware enough to fuck 5.1 enough. I really only needed 10mhz of 5.1
to match the long link capacity, so I went to a 40 mhz channel out of spite.
The shit bag causing the noise  who is using massive spectrum on old
firmware or "test" channels (this is verified by the number of times I've
dealt with this prick second hand) is wanting to colicky with us. (He's a
"cable" provider) I suspect 8s some sort of ghetto multistage almost all
transmit. He has only talked to the boss not me. Said there is 160mhz, he'd
be willing to split 80x80 with us, which fully indicates this douchefucks
capability.
I just want to tell the boss to let him on (we do have sweet contracts with
landlords that give us site ownership  of spectrum) just so I can call the
fcc to get this prick some real fines. I do suspect he even hits weather
radar, but I don't know.
Who do we contact with the fcc to snitch? I never have been in a position
where there was as blatant of an abuse as this  tool that it's something I
would ever have considered  but now I just want to set him up to bust him.



On a side note he says he uses cambium gear that can use it 160mhz spectrum
in 5g, does such a beast exist?

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Need Some Help!

[Steve Jones]

Is there an alternate PayPal account for people who don't trust credit card
donations to the most targeted funding source on the planet?

On Apr 3, 2017 6:31 PM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:

> $4k to pay for the coach travel and other expenses
>
> From: Af  on behalf of Mitch Koep 
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Date: Monday, April 3, 2017 at 7:12 PM
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Need Some Help!
>
> How much are they trying to get?
>
> Mitch
>
>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> On 04/03/2017 06:05 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>
> OT: Excuse the OT email, but would like to get some help from the fine
> crowd of WISPs!
> My Son's LEGO Robotics烙 team are working hard to get some funding for
> their Championship trip ✈️ to Houston! This is a great experience! Working
> on their programming skills, team skills and entrepreneurial skills!
> Any amount donation would be greatly appreciated! ❤️
> https://www.gofundme.com/tech-dragons-competiton-funding
>
>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
>
> --
> Mitch Koep
>
> A Better Wireless218-851-8689 <(218)%20851-8689> cell
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Analog Phoneline Question

[Mitch Koep]

or a 576 pair cable old days of sitting in the sun terminating

or searching for the DAL

thank goodness for  wireless

LOL



On 04/03/2017 08:58 PM, Trey Scarborough wrote:


Ah reminds me of the days of analog dialup and hunting through all the 
phone lines shorting them out to find the one in the 24 in that group 
that was just ringing through...


On 4/3/2017 9:17 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Yep.  Just short it out.
-Original Message- From: Nate Burke Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017
8:05 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Analog Phoneline Question
I have 4 analog lines in a hunt group, and the primary line has a bunch
of static from the phone company side.  Is there an easy way to take
that line 'off hook' at the DMARC so that incoming calls will roll over
and ring into the good lines, and have this offhook solution be easily
identifiable and removed by the phone company tech when he shows up in
the next 3 days to work on it?  Like jumper the 2 terminals together or
something?







--
Mitch Koep

A Better Wireless
218-851-8689 cell

Re: [AFMUG] See Ya later copper

[Trey Scarborough]

oh they will keep doing dsl the last mile and less. They just want to be 
able to cut up there copper plant so they don't have to maintain the old 
circuit types like alarm lines and clec dsl pairs.



On 4/3/2017 11:35 AM, Chris Wright wrote:

DSL too.



Chris Wright

Network Administrator



*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Timothy Steele
*Sent:* Monday, April 03, 2017 6:42 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] See Ya later copper



Better hurry up and get wireless to all the dialup customers...



On Mon, Apr 3, 2017, 8:55 AM Lewis Bergman > wrote:



*AT Wants Out of Maintaining Landlines in Illinois*

Telecom giant AT is asking for Illinois’ permission to scrap
requirements that the company maintain land-based phone lines,
according to the/ //Rock River Times/.

A recent survey said only four percent of people in Illinois still
rely solely on landlines. AT has to obtain consent from state
legislatures before they can petition the FCC to be allowed to cut
off the thousands of miles of land-based phone lines. Other states
want this option as well, so the FCC has a vote planned this month
by the U.S. Senate to accomplish this. In 2015, the Ohio state
legislature voted to allow basic landline services to be withdrawn
by the major telecom companies.  (/see story above/)

“It’s taking a large investment that could be spent covering the
vast majority of their customers for wireless or IP-based phone
services,” Brent Skorup, Technology Fellow with the Mercatus Center
told the /Rock River Times/.

Re: [AFMUG] Analog Phoneline Question

[Trey Scarborough]

Ah reminds me of the days of analog dialup and hunting through all the 
phone lines shorting them out to find the one in the 24 in that group 
that was just ringing through...


On 4/3/2017 9:17 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Yep.  Just short it out.
-Original Message- From: Nate Burke Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017
8:05 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Analog Phoneline Question
I have 4 analog lines in a hunt group, and the primary line has a bunch
of static from the phone company side.  Is there an easy way to take
that line 'off hook' at the DMARC so that incoming calls will roll over
and ring into the good lines, and have this offhook solution be easily
identifiable and removed by the phone company tech when he shows up in
the next 3 days to work on it?  Like jumper the 2 terminals together or
something?

Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit POE extractor?

[Mathew Howard]

It's the best way to go, in my opinion. My preferred way of doing things is
a stack of Chuck's cards powered by a PacketFlux PDU.

On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 7:04 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> I'm glad I'm in good company, though you may not feel the same.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"George Skorup" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, April 3, 2017 6:25:08 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit POE extractor?
>
> Precisely why I've always used PacketFlux or Chuck's cards for injectors,
> not POE switches, CMMs, etc. My choice of router/switch.
>
> On 4/3/2017 3:14 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>
> AF24�s and AF11�s data path goes to Telco MPLS Router ��
>
> From: Af  on behalf of George Skorup <
> george.sko...@cbcast.com>
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Date: Monday, April 3, 2017 at 2:55 PM
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit POE extractor?
>
> I'm slightly confused. Gino, what are you trying to power from a Netonix
> port?
>
> �
>
> *Gino Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> On 4/3/2017 12:04 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> If I removed all the surge protection crap I can make it cost less.�
> �
> *From:* Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Monday, April 03, 2017 11:02 AM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit POE extractor?
> �
> There are some cheap (sub $10) gigabit injectors out there, that would
> probably work in reverse, but they'll only do power on 2 pairs... I don't
> know of anything that will do four pair cheaper than Chuck's.
> �
> On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 11:52 AM, Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
>
>> I haven�t tried it, but the Tycon $6 injector may work in reverse as
>> well.
>>
>> You would have to find a gender change cable for the DC round plug I
>> guess.
>>
>> �
>>
>> But I haven�t found a good solution for this either, in the form of a
>> standard GigE picker and injector pair, that works well and is under $20.
>>
>> �
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 3, 2017 9:58 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit POE extractor?
>>
>> �
>>
>> Looking for something like that but gigabit / 4 pair power extraction
>>
>> �
>>
>> *From: *Af  on behalf of Josh Baird <
>> joshba...@gmail.com>
>> *Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com" 
>> *Date: *Monday, April 3, 2017 at 11:10 AM
>> *To: *"af@afmug.com" 
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit POE extractor?
>>
>> �
>>
>> We use these:
>>
>> �
>>
>> http://tyconsystems.com/index.php/passive/555-poe-powertap
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> �
>>
>> �
>>
>> *Gino Villarini*
>>
>> President
>>
>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>
>> On Apr 3, 2017, at 10:50 AM, Gino Villarini  wrote:
>>
>> Anyone making it? Need to extract POE from Netonix SW and input it to
>> WBMFG POE cards
>>
>> �
>>
>> *Gino Villarini*
>>
>> President
>>
>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>
>> �
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] rant: vendor just sent me a survey via email on a word doc

[Mike Hammett]

Word docs shouldn't be sent outside of your organization for any reason. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Gino Villarini"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, April 3, 2017 9:55:50 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] rant: vendor just sent me a survey via email on a word doc 


Really? Its frigging 2017…. Surveymonkey, formstack, google form 






Gino Villarini 
President 
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 

Re: [AFMUG] GPS Sync for PTP500 PTP600 Radios

[Wireless Administrator]

>From what I understand the Sync Unit is POE and sits between the IDU and
ODU. I just don’t understand why there has never been discussion about the
device. It just seems like no one is using sync on their links. I guess it’s
possible that all hi density installations have gone to licensed links.

 

Steve

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 7:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GPS Sync for PTP500 PTP600 Radios

 

How do the PTP400/500/600's receive sync? I thought it was only with a PTP
Sync module attached to the radio? Or is that through the PIDU? And then
didn't everything change with the 650? I don't have any PTPs deployed, so I
don't have a clue. Maybe Forrest can do something with the new RackInjector?

On 4/3/2017 3:23 PM, Wireless Administrator wrote:

Is there a better way to sync 10-12 PTP500-ptp600 on a single tower than to
use WB3665HH?

�

Steve B.

 

Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit POE extractor?

[Mike Hammett]

I'm glad I'm in good company, though you may not feel the same. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "George Skorup"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, April 3, 2017 6:25:08 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit POE extractor? 

Precisely why I've always used PacketFlux or Chuck's cards for injectors, not 
POE switches, CMMs, etc. My choice of router/switch. 


On 4/3/2017 3:14 PM, Gino Villarini wrote: 



AF24�s and AF11�s data path goes to Telco MPLS Router �� 


From: Af < af-boun...@afmug.com > on behalf of George Skorup < 
george.sko...@cbcast.com > 
Reply-To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Date: Monday, April 3, 2017 at 2:55 PM 
To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit POE extractor? 




I'm slightly confused. Gino, what are you trying to power from a Netonix port? 




� 
Gino Villarini 
President 
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 

On 4/3/2017 12:04 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: 





If I removed all the surge protection crap I can make it cost less.� 


� 

From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 11:02 AM 
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit POE extractor? 
� 

There are some cheap (sub $10) gigabit injectors out there, that would probably 
work in reverse, but they'll only do power on 2 pairs... I don't know of 
anything that will do four pair cheaper than Chuck's. 


� 
On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 11:52 AM, Sterling Jacobson < sterl...@avative.net > 
wrote: 





I haven�t tried it, but the Tycon $6 injector may work in reverse as well. 
You would have to find a gender change cable for the DC round plug I guess. 
� 
But I haven�t found a good solution for this either, in the form of a 
standard GigE picker and injector pair, that works well and is under $20. 
� 


From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini 
Sent: Monday, April 3, 2017 9:58 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit POE extractor? 
� 

Looking for something like that but gigabit / 4 pair power extraction 

� 

From: Af < af-boun...@afmug.com > on behalf of Josh Baird < joshba...@gmail.com 
> 
Reply-To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Date: Monday, April 3, 2017 at 11:10 AM 
To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit POE extractor? 

� 



We use these: 

� 

http://tyconsystems.com/index.php/passive/555-poe-powertap 

Sent from my iPhone 

� 

� 
Gino Villarini 

President 

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 



On Apr 3, 2017, at 10:50 AM, Gino Villarini < g...@aeronetpr.com > wrote: 






Anyone making it? Need to extract POE from Netonix SW and input it to WBMFG POE 
cards 

� 
Gino Villarini 

President 

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 





� 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Need Some Help!

[Gino Villarini]

$4k to pay for the coach travel and other expenses

From: Af > on behalf of Mitch 
Koep >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Monday, April 3, 2017 at 7:12 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Need Some Help!


How much are they trying to get?

Mitch




Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

On 04/03/2017 06:05 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
OT: Excuse the OT email, but would like to get some help from the fine crowd of 
WISPs!
My Son's LEGO Robotics烙 team are working hard to get some funding for their 
Championship trip ✈️ to Houston! This is a great experience! Working on their 
programming skills, team skills and entrepreneurial skills!
Any amount donation would be greatly appreciated! ❤️
https://www.gofundme.com/tech-dragons-competiton-funding



Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:part1.55602782.69E9AEA8@abwisp.com]


--
Mitch Koep

A Better Wireless
218-851-8689 cell

Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit POE extractor?

[George Skorup]

Precisely why I've always used PacketFlux or Chuck's cards for 
injectors, not POE switches, CMMs, etc. My choice of router/switch.


On 4/3/2017 3:14 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:

AF24�s and AF11�s data path goes to Telco MPLS Router �

From: Af > on 
behalf of George Skorup >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com " >

Date: Monday, April 3, 2017 at 2:55 PM
To: "af@afmug.com " >

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit POE extractor?

I'm slightly confused. Gino, what are you trying to power from a 
Netonix port?


*//*

*/Gino Villarini/*

President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

On 4/3/2017 12:04 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

If I removed all the surge protection crap I can make it cost less.
*From:* Mathew Howard
*Sent:* Monday, April 03, 2017 11:02 AM
*To:* af
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit POE extractor?
There are some cheap (sub $10) gigabit injectors out there, that 
would probably work in reverse, but they'll only do power on 2 
pairs... I don't know of anything that will do four pair cheaper than 
Chuck's.
On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 11:52 AM, Sterling Jacobson 
 wrote:


I haven�t tried it, but the Tycon $6 injector may work in reverse
as well.

You would have to find a gender change cable for the DC round
plug I guess.

But I haven�t found a good solution for this either, in the form
of a standard GigE picker and injector pair, that works well and
is under $20.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
*Sent:* Monday, April 3, 2017 9:58 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit POE extractor?

Looking for something like that but gigabit / 4 pair power
extraction

*From: *Af  on behalf of Josh Baird

*Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com" 
*Date: *Monday, April 3, 2017 at 11:10 AM
*To: *"af@afmug.com" 
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit POE extractor?

We use these:

http://tyconsystems.com/index.php/passive/555-poe-powertap


Sent from my iPhone

/*Gino Villarini*/

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

On Apr 3, 2017, at 10:50 AM, Gino Villarini 
wrote:

Anyone making it? Need to extract POE from Netonix SW and
input it to WBMFG POE cards

/*Gino Villarini*/

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Need Some Help!

[Mitch Koep]

How much are they trying to get?

Mitch


On 04/03/2017 06:05 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
OT: Excuse the OT email, but would like to get some help from the fine 
crowd of WISPs!
My Son's LEGO Robotics烙 team are working hard to get some funding for 
their Championship trip ✈️ to Houston! This is a great experience! 
Working on their programming skills, team skills and entrepreneurial 
skills!

Any amount donation would be greatly appreciated! ❤️
https://www.gofundme.com/tech-dragons-competiton-funding

*//*

*/Gino Villarini/*

President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968



--
Mitch Koep

A Better Wireless
218-851-8689 cell

[AFMUG] OT: Need Some Help!

[Gino Villarini]

OT: Excuse the OT email, but would like to get some help from the fine crowd of 
WISPs!

My Son's LEGO Robotics烙 team are working hard to get some funding for their 
Championship trip ✈️ to Houston! This is a great experience! Working on their 
programming skills, team skills and entrepreneurial skills!

Any amount donation would be greatly appreciated! ❤️

https://www.gofundme.com/tech-dragons-competiton-funding



Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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Re: [AFMUG] GPS Sync for PTP500 PTP600 Radios

[George Skorup]

How do the PTP400/500/600's receive sync? I thought it was only with a 
PTP Sync module attached to the radio? Or is that through the PIDU? And 
then didn't everything change with the 650? I don't have any PTPs 
deployed, so I don't have a clue. Maybe Forrest can do something with 
the new RackInjector?


On 4/3/2017 3:23 PM, Wireless Administrator wrote:


Is there a better way to sync 10-12 PTP500-ptp600 on a single tower 
than to use WB3665HH?


Steve B.

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Loud eggbeater

[Robert Andrews]

They sound like a very loud helicopter, but don't..We had two 
presidential ones going back and forth in our back yard when the 
President was at Lake Tahoe 1.5 years ago...



On 04/03/2017 02:42 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

Working inside a van by airport when I heard super load engine
noise...Never seen one in person Bigger than I imagined...

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Loud eggbeater

[Chuck McCown]

My son in law rode these things in Afganistan.  He said they feel like you are 
in an egg beater too.  

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 3:42 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT. Loud eggbeater

Working inside a van by airport when I heard super load engine noise...Never 
seen one in person Bigger than I imagined...

[AFMUG] Apartment Companies

[Mike Hammett]

Have any of you worked with TGM Apartments or Marquette Management?

-Mike HammettIntelligent Computing SolutionsMidwest Internet ExchangeThe 
Brothers WISP

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium POE holder?

[Brian Sullivan]

If you purchase a lot of them, it seems like a 3-D printer may be a good 
investment.


On 4/3/2017 4:03 PM, Colin Stanners wrote:
E-mail:  Brian(at)prairie-sky.com  , he ran 
poemounts.com  (site down for maintenance), I 
think those are the ones that Josh pictured. They're a tiny bit loose 
as originally made for Ubnt PoEs, but they work pretty well.


On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 9:50 AM, Gino Villarini > wrote:


Anyone making it? Lots of installs requiring wall mount or rack mount

*//*

*/Gino Villarini/*

President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium POE holder?

[Colin Stanners]

E-mail:  Brian(at)prairie-sky.com , he ran poemounts.com (site down for
maintenance), I think those are the ones that Josh pictured. They're a tiny
bit loose as originally made for Ubnt PoEs, but they work pretty well.

On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 9:50 AM, Gino Villarini  wrote:

> Anyone making it? Lots of installs requiring wall mount or rack mount
>
>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Using phone two wire for bridged link

[Adam Moffett]

Naturally.

My thought was if the bridge table entries have a long timeout and smart 
phones are coming and going from the wifi AP regularly, then it's 
conceivable you could have seen 1000 MAC addresses, and 999 of them are 
not actually present.  Then device number 1001 can't connect. Yes it's 
avoidable of course.



-- Original Message --
From: "Eric Kuhnke" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 4/3/2017 4:21:22 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Using phone two wire for bridged link

If you're briding 1000 MACs onto a single flat topology layer 2 LAN 
fabric at a single geographic location, something has gone terrible 
wrong with your network design.


On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Adam Moffett  
wrote:
I just noticed the Planet only bridges 1000 MAC addresses.  If you're 
connecting to WiFi AP's, people walking by on the street might have 
their phones connecting and disconnecting.  Could be an issue 
depending on if/when the 1,000 entries timeout.



-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 4/3/2017 11:07:49 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Using phone two wire for bridged link


Those both look perfect!  Even better than I was hoping.

I'm going to try the Planet one since it's cheaper+I know the name.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 11:00 AM, Adam Moffett  
wrote:

Google gave me this one:
http://www.planet.com.tw/en/product/product.php?id=26448#spec 



100FD at 300m.

-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 4/3/2017 10:54:14 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Using phone two wire for bridged link

I'm looking for something I believe was discussed here multiple 
times.  I have old copper going between a few stories in the 
building and I need to get bandwidth up there.  Isn't there some 
box that people have used that will run with 2 wire or any kind of 
wire essentially and then you have 100baseT?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] Using phone two wire for bridged link

[Josh Luthman]

Nothing is leaving the building.  Going from phone room (bottom floor) to
residential hallway (third floor).  This also means I'm getting like 12
WiFi customers, no need to worry about the 1000 MAC limit.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 4:31 PM, Mitch Koep  wrote:

> Be careful and disconnect the side going out of the building
>
> DO NOT clip in and use both sides of the pair you  choose
>
> Think of it as a HOME run cat5
>
> From one device directly to the other
>
> You can pull bridging clips and connect to the 66 or 110 on each side
>
> Yes, These devices work great I installed them for years (another life
> before wireless)
>
>
> High noise is usually caused by outdoor plant side of the pair you choose
>
> or can be run too close to lighting or electrical
>
> You can use a butt set and see if it is noisy after you isolate the pair
> you
>
> want to use.
>
> Josh if you need talk through give me a call
>
> Mitch Koep
>
> 218-851-8689 <(218)%20851-8689> cell
>
> On 04/03/2017 03:14 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> I wonder how conservative the rate selection isprobably vendor
> dependent I suppose.
>
> Found this chart on Wikipedia.  Looks like 30a is a larger channel with
> the same tx power.  So just like with wireless, you would increase the
> power density on your channel by using the smaller channel size, and you'd
> eliminate at least a couple db worth of noise  Seems to me if I didn't need
> the throughput then my connection would be a little more robust on the
> smaller channel.
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 4/3/2017 3:42:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Using phone two wire for bridged link
>
> They train up just like the old dial up modems.  Just can’t hear it.
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Monday, April 03, 2017 1:30 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Using phone two wire for bridged link
>
> There must be a minimum SNR for each speed.
> I wonder if there's a bridge like that with automatic rate
> selectionseems like a feature you'd want.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Sent: 4/3/2017 3:24:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Using phone two wire for bridged link
>
>
> And what if I have high line noise?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 3:19 PM, Mitch Koep  wrote:
>
>> Josh
>>
>> no 30a is better as long as you have low line noise
>>
>> Mitch
>>
>> On 04/03/2017 12:39 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>> I'd be happy with say 10 or 20 megs, it's only for a few WiFi residents.
>> I'm looking more for reliability than speed.
>>
>> Would 17 MHz be more reliable than 30 MHz?
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <%28937%29%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <%28937%29%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 1:18 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> the main thing to look for with a VDSL2 converter bridge pair is, will
>>> it do the 30a profile (30MHz). Depending on how noisy your lines are or
>>> loop length you may need to flip a switch to change between 17a profile or
>>> 30a. But ideally 30a profile should actually have slightly more bandwidth
>>> that is required to bridge 100BaseTX at line rate.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 8:07 AM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
 Those both look perfect!  Even better than I was hoping.

 I'm going to try the Planet one since it's cheaper+I know the name.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340 <%28937%29%20552-2340>
 Direct: 937-552-2343 <%28937%29%20552-2343>
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 11:00 AM, Adam Moffett 
 wrote:

> Google gave me this one:
> http://www.planet.com.tw/en/product/product.php?id=26448#spec
>
> 100FD at 300m.
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Sent: 4/3/2017 10:54:14 AM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Using phone two wire for bridged link
>
>
> I'm looking for something I believe was discussed here multiple
> times.  I have old copper going between a few stories in the building and 
> I
> need to get bandwidth up there.  Isn't there some box that people have 
> used
> that will run with 2 wire or any kind of wire essentially and then you 
> have
> 100baseT?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <%28937%29%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <%28937%29%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337

Re: [AFMUG] Using phone two wire for bridged link

[Josh Luthman]

Yes.  That's exactly the idea.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 4:02 PM, Mitch Koep  wrote:

> Josh
>
> Do you have an unused pair from a lower Demarc to the Demarc
>
> on the floor you want to get to?
>
> Mitch
>
> On 04/03/2017 02:24 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> And what if I have high line noise?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 3:19 PM, Mitch Koep  wrote:
>
>> Josh
>>
>> no 30a is better as long as you have low line noise
>>
>> Mitch
>>
>> On 04/03/2017 12:39 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>> I'd be happy with say 10 or 20 megs, it's only for a few WiFi residents.
>> I'm looking more for reliability than speed.
>>
>> Would 17 MHz be more reliable than 30 MHz?
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <%28937%29%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <%28937%29%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 1:18 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> the main thing to look for with a VDSL2 converter bridge pair is, will
>>> it do the 30a profile (30MHz). Depending on how noisy your lines are or
>>> loop length you may need to flip a switch to change between 17a profile or
>>> 30a. But ideally 30a profile should actually have slightly more bandwidth
>>> that is required to bridge 100BaseTX at line rate.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 8:07 AM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
 Those both look perfect!  Even better than I was hoping.

 I'm going to try the Planet one since it's cheaper+I know the name.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340 <%28937%29%20552-2340>
 Direct: 937-552-2343 <%28937%29%20552-2343>
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 11:00 AM, Adam Moffett 
 wrote:

> Google gave me this one:
> http://www.planet.com.tw/en/product/product.php?id=26448#spec
>
> 100FD at 300m.
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Sent: 4/3/2017 10:54:14 AM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Using phone two wire for bridged link
>
> I'm looking for something I believe was discussed here multiple
> times.  I have old copper going between a few stories in the building and 
> I
> need to get bandwidth up there.  Isn't there some box that people have 
> used
> that will run with 2 wire or any kind of wire essentially and then you 
> have
> 100baseT?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <%28937%29%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <%28937%29%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>

>>>
>>
>> --
>> Mitch Koep
>>
>> A Better Wireless218-851-8689 <%28218%29%20851-8689> cell
>>
>>
>
> --
> Mitch Koep
>
> A Better Wireless218-851-8689 <(218)%20851-8689> cell
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Using phone two wire for bridged link

[Mitch Koep]

Be careful and disconnect the side going out of the building

DO NOT clip in and use both sides of the pair you  choose

Think of it as a HOME run cat5

From one device directly to the other

You can pull bridging clips and connect to the 66 or 110 on each side

Yes, These devices work great I installed them for years (another life 
before wireless)



High noise is usually caused by outdoor plant side of the pair you choose

or can be run too close to lighting or electrical

You can use a butt set and see if it is noisy after you isolate the pair you

want to use.

Josh if you need talk through give me a call

Mitch Koep

218-851-8689 cell


On 04/03/2017 03:14 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
I wonder how conservative the rate selection isprobably vendor 
dependent I suppose.


Found this chart on Wikipedia.  Looks like 30a is a larger channel 
with the same tx power.  So just like with wireless, you would 
increase the power density on your channel by using the smaller 
channel size, and you'd eliminate at least a couple db worth of noise 
 Seems to me if I didn't need the throughput then my connection would 
be a little more robust on the smaller channel.





-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" >
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 4/3/2017 3:42:40 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Using phone two wire for bridged link


They train up just like the old dial up modems. Just can’t hear it.
*From:* Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Monday, April 03, 2017 1:30 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Using phone two wire for bridged link
There must be a minimum SNR for each speed.
I wonder if there's a bridge like that with automatic rate 
selectionseems like a feature you'd want.

-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "af@afmug.com " 
Sent: 4/3/2017 3:24:38 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Using phone two wire for bridged link

And what if I have high line noise?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 3:19 PM, Mitch Koep  wrote:

Josh

no 30a is better as long as you have low line noise

Mitch


On 04/03/2017 12:39 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

I'd be happy with say 10 or 20 megs, it's only for a few WiFi
residents.  I'm looking more for reliability than speed.
Would 17 MHz be more reliable than 30 MHz?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 1:18 PM, Eric Kuhnke
 wrote:

the main thing to look for with a VDSL2 converter bridge
pair is, will it do the 30a profile (30MHz). Depending on
how noisy your lines are or loop length you may need to
flip a switch to change between 17a profile or 30a. But
ideally 30a profile should actually have slightly more
bandwidth that is required to bridge 100BaseTX at line rate.
On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 8:07 AM, Josh Luthman
 wrote:

Those both look perfect! Even better than I was hoping.

I'm going to try the Planet one since it's cheaper+I
know the name.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 11:00 AM, Adam Moffett
 wrote:

Google gave me this one:
http://www.planet.com.tw/en/product/product.php?id=26448#spec

100FD at 300m.
-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 4/3/2017 10:54:14 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Using phone two wire for bridged link

I'm looking for something I believe was discussed
here multiple times.  I have old copper going
between a few stories in the building and I need
to get bandwidth up there.  Isn't there some box
that people have used that will run with 2 wire or
any kind of wire essentially and then you have
100baseT?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373





-- 
Mitch Koep


A Better Wireless
218-851-8689   cell



--

[AFMUG] GPS Sync for PTP500 PTP600 Radios

[Wireless Administrator]

Is there a better way to sync 10-12 PTP500-ptp600 on a single tower than to
use WB3665HH?

 

Steve B.

Re: [AFMUG] Using phone two wire for bridged link

[Eric Kuhnke]

If you're briding 1000 MACs onto a single flat topology layer 2 LAN fabric
at a single geographic location, something has gone terrible wrong with
your network design.

On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> I just noticed the Planet only bridges 1000 MAC addresses.  If you're
> connecting to WiFi AP's, people walking by on the street might have their
> phones connecting and disconnecting.  Could be an issue depending on
> if/when the 1,000 entries timeout.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Sent: 4/3/2017 11:07:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Using phone two wire for bridged link
>
> Those both look perfect!  Even better than I was hoping.
>
> I'm going to try the Planet one since it's cheaper+I know the name.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 11:00 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> Google gave me this one:
>> http://www.planet.com.tw/en/product/product.php?id=26448#spec
>>
>> 100FD at 300m.
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Josh Luthman" 
>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Sent: 4/3/2017 10:54:14 AM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Using phone two wire for bridged link
>>
>> I'm looking for something I believe was discussed here multiple times.  I
>> have old copper going between a few stories in the building and I need to
>> get bandwidth up there.  Isn't there some box that people have used that
>> will run with 2 wire or any kind of wire essentially and then you have
>> 100baseT?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Using phone two wire for bridged link

[Adam Moffett]

I just noticed the Planet only bridges 1000 MAC addresses.  If you're 
connecting to WiFi AP's, people walking by on the street might have 
their phones connecting and disconnecting.  Could be an issue depending 
on if/when the 1,000 entries timeout.



-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 4/3/2017 11:07:49 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Using phone two wire for bridged link


Those both look perfect!  Even better than I was hoping.

I'm going to try the Planet one since it's cheaper+I know the name.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 11:00 AM, Adam Moffett  
wrote:

Google gave me this one:
http://www.planet.com.tw/en/product/product.php?id=26448#spec 



100FD at 300m.

-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 4/3/2017 10:54:14 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Using phone two wire for bridged link

I'm looking for something I believe was discussed here multiple 
times.  I have old copper going between a few stories in the building 
and I need to get bandwidth up there.  Isn't there some box that 
people have used that will run with 2 wire or any kind of wire 
essentially and then you have 100baseT?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for a waveguide adapter for Remec 11ghz

[Gino Villarini]

I have some of the Apex to Apex Plus (remec) adapters… just need to go Remec to 
Waveguide… I can do a super Adapter Sandwich with:

Apex to Apex+ - APex+ to SAF + Waveguide (SAF has PDR )

But $$$ ads up.

From: Af > on behalf of 
George Skorup >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Monday, April 3, 2017 at 3:09 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for a waveguide adapter for Remec 11ghz

Not sure if it would all line up right, but what about replacing the latches 
with latch hooks on the dish like it is on a standard Remec dish? Maybe that's 
why Trango did (or still does?) make an Apex to ApexPlus/Lynx aka Remec adapter 
plate for those old dishes? So you could just do that and then stack on the 
Remec to waveguide flange(s) adapter on top of that.




Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

On 4/3/2017 8:04 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
Heres a pic of the Trango Apex interface

From: Af > on behalf of Mark 
Radabaugh >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Monday, April 3, 2017 at 7:58 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for a waveguide adapter for Remec 11ghz

Gino,

Looking at the Trango website it looks like they offered relabeled RadioWaves 
along with another brand. ï¿1Ž2 The ï¿1Ž2otherï¿1Ž2 looks a lot like a brand 
SAF used for a while but I canï¿1Ž2t come up with the name at the moment. ï¿1Ž2 
ï¿1Ž2 Which ones do you have?

Markï¿1Ž2

ï¿1Ž2

Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:part7.C7C47CEE.C66EBEC1@cbcast.com]

On Apr 3, 2017, at 7:06 AM, Gino Villarini 
> wrote:

Trango Apex and Apex plusï¿1Ž2

From: Af > on behalf of Mark 
Radabaugh >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Sunday, April 2, 2017 at 7:21 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for a waveguide adapter for Remec 11ghz

What brand antenna?

Mark Radabaugh
Amplex
22690 Pemberville Rd
Luckey, OH 43447
419-261-5996


ï¿1Ž2

Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968



On Apr 2, 2017, at 6:51 PM, Gino Villarini 
> wrote:

Trying to upgrade form Trango Apex and Apex Plus, the later is Remec, I do know 
there are Trango Apex to Apex plus adapters,ï¿1Ž2

The idea is to reuse the antennas, go to waveguide or direct mount to SIAE, 820 
and AF11xï¿1Ž2

From: Af > on behalf of Mark 
Radabaugh >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Sunday, April 2, 2017 at 9:22 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for a waveguide adapter for Remec 11ghz

Gino,

I think I have finally figured out the trick to turning a Andrew/Commscope 
antenna into the correct direct mount for most of the radios out there. ï¿1Ž2 
ï¿1Ž2What exactly are you trying to mount to what?

Havenï¿1Ž2t figured out the same for RadioWaves.

I have been having good luck turning antennas made for DragonWave or PTP800 
into Ceragon or Cambium 820ï¿1Ž2s, or the other way. ï¿1Ž2Finding the correct 
part numbers is the hardest part.

Mark




ï¿1Ž2

Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968




On Apr 1, 2017, at 12:41 PM, Gino Villarini 
> wrote:

Coax or ubr

From: Af > on behalf of Chuck 
McCown >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Saturday, April 1, 2017 at 12:09 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for a waveguide adapter for Remec 11ghz



ï¿1Ž2

Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968




I have a design and some prototypes.ï¿1Ž2 You looking for coax adapters?
ï¿1Ž2
From: Gino Villarini
Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2017 10:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Looking for a waveguide adapter for Remec 11ghz
ï¿1Ž2
Got some remec interface antenna, any remec to waveguide adapters in the market?

Re: [AFMUG] Using phone two wire for bridged link

[Adam Moffett]

I wonder how conservative the rate selection isprobably vendor 
dependent I suppose.


Found this chart on Wikipedia.  Looks like 30a is a larger channel with 
the same tx power.  So just like with wireless, you would increase the 
power density on your channel by using the smaller channel size, and 
you'd eliminate at least a couple db worth of noise  Seems to me if I 
didn't need the throughput then my connection would be a little more 
robust on the smaller channel.





-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/3/2017 3:42:40 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Using phone two wire for bridged link


They train up just like the old dial up modems.  Just can’t hear it.

From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 1:30 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Using phone two wire for bridged link

There must be a minimum SNR for each speed.
I wonder if there's a bridge like that with automatic rate 
selectionseems like a feature you'd want.



-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 4/3/2017 3:24:38 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Using phone two wire for bridged link


And what if I have high line noise?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 3:19 PM, Mitch Koep  wrote:

Josh

no 30a is better as long as you have low line noise

Mitch


On 04/03/2017 12:39 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
I'd be happy with say 10 or 20 megs, it's only for a few WiFi 
residents.  I'm looking more for reliability than speed.


Would 17 MHz be more reliable than 30 MHz?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 1:18 PM, Eric Kuhnke  
wrote:
the main thing to look for with a VDSL2 converter bridge pair is, 
will it do the 30a profile (30MHz). Depending on how noisy your 
lines are or loop length you may need to flip a switch to change 
between 17a profile or 30a. But ideally 30a profile should actually 
have slightly more bandwidth that is required to bridge 100BaseTX 
at line rate.


On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 8:07 AM, Josh Luthman 
 wrote:

Those both look perfect!  Even better than I was hoping.

I'm going to try the Planet one since it's cheaper+I know the 
name.



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 11:00 AM, Adam Moffett 
 wrote:

Google gave me this one:
http://www.planet.com.tw/en/product/product.php?id=26448#spec 



100FD at 300m.

-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 4/3/2017 10:54:14 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Using phone two wire for bridged link

I'm looking for something I believe was discussed here multiple 
times.  I have old copper going between a few stories in the 
building and I need to get bandwidth up there.  Isn't there some 
box that people have used that will run with 2 wire or any kind 
of wire essentially and then you have 100baseT?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373








-- Mitch Koep A Better Wireless 218-851-8689  
cell

Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit POE extractor?

[Gino Villarini]

AF24’s and AF11’s data path goes to Telco MPLS Router …

From: Af > on behalf of 
George Skorup >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Monday, April 3, 2017 at 2:55 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit POE extractor?

I'm slightly confused. Gino, what are you trying to power from a Netonix port?




Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

On 4/3/2017 12:04 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
If I removed all the surge protection crap I can make it cost less.

From: Mathew Howard
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 11:02 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit POE extractor?

There are some cheap (sub $10) gigabit injectors out there, that would probably 
work in reverse, but they'll only do power on 2 pairs... I don't know of 
anything that will do four pair cheaper than Chuck's.

On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 11:52 AM, Sterling Jacobson  wrote:
I haven’t tried it, but the Tycon $6 injector may work in reverse as well.
You would have to find a gender change cable for the DC round plug I guess.

But I haven’t found a good solution for this either, in the form of a standard 
GigE picker and injector pair, that works well and is under $20.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Monday, April 3, 2017 9:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit POE extractor?

Looking for something like that but gigabit / 4 pair power extraction

From: Af  on behalf of Josh Baird 
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
Date: Monday, April 3, 2017 at 11:10 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit POE extractor?

We use these:

http://tyconsystems.com/index.php/passive/555-poe-powertap

Sent from my iPhone




Gino Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968


[cid:part13.1CEFEDB7.FDD156F5@cbcast.com]
On Apr 3, 2017, at 10:50 AM, Gino Villarini  wrote:
Anyone making it? Need to extract POE from Netonix SW and input it to WBMFG POE 
cards



Gino Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968


[cid:part13.1CEFEDB7.FDD156F5@cbcast.com]

Re: [AFMUG] Using phone two wire for bridged link

[Mitch Koep]

Josh

Do you have an unused pair from a lower Demarc to the Demarc

on the floor you want to get to?

Mitch


On 04/03/2017 02:24 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

And what if I have high line noise?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 3:19 PM, Mitch Koep > wrote:


Josh

no 30a is better as long as you have low line noise

Mitch


On 04/03/2017 12:39 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

I'd be happy with say 10 or 20 megs, it's only for a few WiFi
residents.  I'm looking more for reliability than speed.

Would 17 MHz be more reliable than 30 MHz?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 1:18 PM, Eric Kuhnke
> wrote:

the main thing to look for with a VDSL2 converter bridge pair
is, will it do the 30a profile (30MHz). Depending on how
noisy your lines are or loop length you may need to flip a
switch to change between 17a profile or 30a. But ideally 30a
profile should actually have slightly more bandwidth that is
required to bridge 100BaseTX at line rate.

On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 8:07 AM, Josh Luthman
> wrote:

Those both look perfect!  Even better than I was hoping.

I'm going to try the Planet one since it's cheaper+I know
the name.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 11:00 AM, Adam Moffett
> wrote:

Google gave me this one:
http://www.planet.com.tw/en/product/product.php?id=26448#spec


100FD at 300m.

-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Luthman" >
To: "af@afmug.com "
>
Sent: 4/3/2017 10:54:14 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Using phone two wire for bridged link


I'm looking for something I believe was discussed
here multiple times. I have old copper going between
a few stories in the building and I need to get
bandwidth up there.  Isn't there some box that
people have used that will run with 2 wire or any
kind of wire essentially and then you have 100baseT?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373







-- 
Mitch Koep


A Better Wireless
218-851-8689   cell




--
Mitch Koep

A Better Wireless
218-851-8689 cell

Re: [AFMUG] Using phone two wire for bridged link

[Chuck McCown]

They train up just like the old dial up modems.  Just can’t hear it.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 1:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Using phone two wire for bridged link

There must be a minimum SNR for each speed. 
I wonder if there's a bridge like that with automatic rate selectionseems 
like a feature you'd want.


-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 4/3/2017 3:24:38 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Using phone two wire for bridged link

  And what if I have high line noise?


  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 3:19 PM, Mitch Koep  wrote:

Josh

no 30a is better as long as you have low line noise

Mitch




On 04/03/2017 12:39 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

  I'd be happy with say 10 or 20 megs, it's only for a few WiFi residents.  
I'm looking more for reliability than speed. 

  Would 17 MHz be more reliable than 30 MHz?


  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 1:18 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

the main thing to look for with a VDSL2 converter bridge pair is, will 
it do the 30a profile (30MHz). Depending on how noisy your lines are or loop 
length you may need to flip a switch to change between 17a profile or 30a. But 
ideally 30a profile should actually have slightly more bandwidth that is 
required to bridge 100BaseTX at line rate.

On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 8:07 AM, Josh Luthman 
 wrote:

  Those both look perfect!  Even better than I was hoping.

  I'm going to try the Planet one since it's cheaper+I know the name.



  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373


  On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 11:00 AM, Adam Moffett  
wrote:

Google gave me this one:
http://www.planet.com.tw/en/product/product.php?id=26448#spec

100FD at 300m.

-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 4/3/2017 10:54:14 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Using phone two wire for bridged link

  I'm looking for something I believe was discussed here multiple 
times.  I have old copper going between a few stories in the building and I 
need to get bandwidth up there.  Isn't there some box that people have used 
that will run with 2 wire or any kind of wire essentially and then you have 
100baseT? 

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373






-- 
Mitch Koep

A Better Wireless
218-851-8689 cell

Re: [AFMUG] Using phone two wire for bridged link

[Adam Moffett]

There must be a minimum SNR for each speed.
I wonder if there's a bridge like that with automatic rate 
selectionseems like a feature you'd want.



-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 4/3/2017 3:24:38 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Using phone two wire for bridged link


And what if I have high line noise?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 3:19 PM, Mitch Koep  wrote:

Josh

no 30a is better as long as you have low line noise

Mitch


On 04/03/2017 12:39 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
I'd be happy with say 10 or 20 megs, it's only for a few WiFi 
residents.  I'm looking more for reliability than speed.


Would 17 MHz be more reliable than 30 MHz?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 1:18 PM, Eric Kuhnke  
wrote:
the main thing to look for with a VDSL2 converter bridge pair is, 
will it do the 30a profile (30MHz). Depending on how noisy your 
lines are or loop length you may need to flip a switch to change 
between 17a profile or 30a. But ideally 30a profile should actually 
have slightly more bandwidth that is required to bridge 100BaseTX at 
line rate.


On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 8:07 AM, Josh Luthman 
 wrote:

Those both look perfect!  Even better than I was hoping.

I'm going to try the Planet one since it's cheaper+I know the name.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 11:00 AM, Adam Moffett  
wrote:

Google gave me this one:
http://www.planet.com.tw/en/product/product.php?id=26448#spec 



100FD at 300m.

-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 4/3/2017 10:54:14 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Using phone two wire for bridged link

I'm looking for something I believe was discussed here multiple 
times.  I have old copper going between a few stories in the 
building and I need to get bandwidth up there.  Isn't there some 
box that people have used that will run with 2 wire or any kind 
of wire essentially and then you have 100baseT?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373








-- Mitch Koep A Better Wireless 218-851-8689  
cell

Re: [AFMUG] Using phone two wire for bridged link

[Josh Luthman]

And what if I have high line noise?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 3:19 PM, Mitch Koep  wrote:

> Josh
>
> no 30a is better as long as you have low line noise
>
> Mitch
>
> On 04/03/2017 12:39 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> I'd be happy with say 10 or 20 megs, it's only for a few WiFi residents.
> I'm looking more for reliability than speed.
>
> Would 17 MHz be more reliable than 30 MHz?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 1:18 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:
>
>> the main thing to look for with a VDSL2 converter bridge pair is, will it
>> do the 30a profile (30MHz). Depending on how noisy your lines are or loop
>> length you may need to flip a switch to change between 17a profile or 30a.
>> But ideally 30a profile should actually have slightly more bandwidth that
>> is required to bridge 100BaseTX at line rate.
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 8:07 AM, Josh Luthman > > wrote:
>>
>>> Those both look perfect!  Even better than I was hoping.
>>>
>>> I'm going to try the Planet one since it's cheaper+I know the name.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340 <%28937%29%20552-2340>
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <%28937%29%20552-2343>
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 11:00 AM, Adam Moffett 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Google gave me this one:
 http://www.planet.com.tw/en/product/product.php?id=26448#spec

 100FD at 300m.

 -- Original Message --
 From: "Josh Luthman" 
 To: "af@afmug.com" 
 Sent: 4/3/2017 10:54:14 AM
 Subject: [AFMUG] Using phone two wire for bridged link

 I'm looking for something I believe was discussed here multiple times.
 I have old copper going between a few stories in the building and I need to
 get bandwidth up there.  Isn't there some box that people have used that
 will run with 2 wire or any kind of wire essentially and then you have
 100baseT?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340 <%28937%29%20552-2340>
 Direct: 937-552-2343 <%28937%29%20552-2343>
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373


>>>
>>
>
> --
> Mitch Koep
>
> A Better Wireless218-851-8689 <(218)%20851-8689> cell
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for a waveguide adapter for Remec 11ghz

[Jason McKemie]

SAF was using Arkivator antennas for a while.

On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 6:58 AM, Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

> Gino,
>
> Looking at the Trango website it looks like they offered relabeled
> RadioWaves along with another brand.   The ‘other’ looks a lot like a brand
> SAF used for a while but I can’t come up with the name at the moment.
> Which ones do you have?
>
> Mark
>
> On Apr 3, 2017, at 7:06 AM, Gino Villarini  wrote:
>
> Trango Apex and Apex plus
>
> From: Af  on behalf of Mark Radabaugh <
> m...@amplex.net>
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Date: Sunday, April 2, 2017 at 7:21 PM
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for a waveguide adapter for Remec 11ghz
>
> What brand antenna?
>
> Mark Radabaugh
> Amplex
> 22690 Pemberville Rd
> Luckey, OH 43447
> 419-261-5996 <(419)%20261-5996>
>
>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> 
> On Apr 2, 2017, at 6:51 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:
>
> Trying to upgrade form Trango Apex and Apex Plus, the later is Remec, I do
> know there are Trango Apex to Apex plus adapters,
>
> The idea is to reuse the antennas, go to waveguide or direct mount to
> SIAE, 820 and AF11x
>
> From: Af  on behalf of Mark Radabaugh <
> m...@amplex.net>
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Date: Sunday, April 2, 2017 at 9:22 AM
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for a waveguide adapter for Remec 11ghz
>
> Gino,
>
> I think I have finally figured out the trick to turning a Andrew/Commscope
> antenna into the correct direct mount for most of the radios out there.
>  What exactly are you trying to mount to what?
>
> Haven’t figured out the same for RadioWaves.
>
> I have been having good luck turning antennas made for DragonWave or
> PTP800 into Ceragon or Cambium 820’s, or the other way.  Finding the
> correct part numbers is the hardest part.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> 
> On Apr 1, 2017, at 12:41 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:
>
> Coax or ubr
>
> From: Af  on behalf of Chuck McCown  >
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Date: Saturday, April 1, 2017 at 12:09 PM
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for a waveguide adapter for Remec 11ghz
>
>
>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> 
> I have a design and some prototypes.  You looking for coax adapters?
>
> *From:* Gino Villarini
> *Sent:* Saturday, April 01, 2017 10:06 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Looking for a waveguide adapter for Remec 11ghz
>
> Got some remec interface antenna, any remec to waveguide adapters in the
> market?
>
>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Using phone two wire for bridged link

[Mitch Koep]

Josh

no 30a is better as long as you have low line noise

Mitch


On 04/03/2017 12:39 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
I'd be happy with say 10 or 20 megs, it's only for a few WiFi 
residents.  I'm looking more for reliability than speed.


Would 17 MHz be more reliable than 30 MHz?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 1:18 PM, Eric Kuhnke > wrote:


the main thing to look for with a VDSL2 converter bridge pair is,
will it do the 30a profile (30MHz). Depending on how noisy your
lines are or loop length you may need to flip a switch to change
between 17a profile or 30a. But ideally 30a profile should
actually have slightly more bandwidth that is required to bridge
100BaseTX at line rate.

On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 8:07 AM, Josh Luthman
>
wrote:

Those both look perfect!  Even better than I was hoping.

I'm going to try the Planet one since it's cheaper+I know the
name.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 11:00 AM, Adam Moffett
> wrote:

Google gave me this one:
http://www.planet.com.tw/en/product/product.php?id=26448#spec


100FD at 300m.

-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Luthman" >
To: "af@afmug.com " >
Sent: 4/3/2017 10:54:14 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Using phone two wire for bridged link


I'm looking for something I believe was discussed here
multiple times.  I have old copper going between a few
stories in the building and I need to get bandwidth up
there.  Isn't there some box that people have used that
will run with 2 wire or any kind of wire essentially and
then you have 100baseT?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373







--
Mitch Koep

A Better Wireless
218-851-8689 cell

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for a waveguide adapter for Remec 11ghz

[George Skorup]

Not sure if it would all line up right, but what about replacing the 
latches with latch hooks on the dish like it is on a standard Remec 
dish? Maybe that's why Trango did (or still does?) make an Apex to 
ApexPlus/Lynx aka Remec adapter plate for those old dishes? So you could 
just do that and then stack on the Remec to waveguide flange(s) adapter 
on top of that.


On 4/3/2017 8:04 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:

Heres a pic of the Trango Apex interface

From: Af > on 
behalf of Mark Radabaugh >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com " >

Date: Monday, April 3, 2017 at 7:58 AM
To: "af@afmug.com " >

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for a waveguide adapter for Remec 11ghz

Gino,

Looking at the Trango website it looks like they offered relabeled 
RadioWaves along with another brand.   The �other� looks a lot like a 
brand SAF used for a while but I can�t come up with the name at the 
moment.   Which ones do you have?


Mark


*//*

*/Gino Villarini/*

President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

On Apr 3, 2017, at 7:06 AM, Gino Villarini > wrote:


Trango Apex and Apex plus

From: Af > on 
behalf of Mark Radabaugh >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com " >

Date: Sunday, April 2, 2017 at 7:21 PM
To: "af@afmug.com " >

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for a waveguide adapter for Remec 11ghz

What brand antenna?

Mark Radabaugh
Amplex
22690 Pemberville Rd
Luckey, OH 43447
419-261-5996

*//*

*/Gino Villarini/*

President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968



On Apr 2, 2017, at 6:51 PM, Gino Villarini > wrote:


Trying to upgrade form Trango Apex and Apex Plus, the later is 
Remec, I do know there are Trango Apex to Apex plus adapters,


The idea is to reuse the antennas, go to waveguide or direct mount 
to SIAE, 820 and AF11x


From: Af > on 
behalf of Mark Radabaugh >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com " >

Date: Sunday, April 2, 2017 at 9:22 AM
To: "af@afmug.com " >

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for a waveguide adapter for Remec 11ghz

Gino,

I think I have finally figured out the trick to turning a 
Andrew/Commscope antenna into the correct direct mount for most of 
the radios out there.What exactly are you trying to mount to what?


Haven�t figured out the same for RadioWaves.

I have been having good luck turning antennas made for DragonWave or 
PTP800 into Ceragon or Cambium 820�s, or the other way.  Finding the 
correct part numbers is the hardest part.


Mark




*//*

*/Gino Villarini/*

President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968




On Apr 1, 2017, at 12:41 PM, Gino Villarini > wrote:


Coax or ubr

From: Af > on 
behalf of Chuck McCown >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com " >

Date: Saturday, April 1, 2017 at 12:09 PM
To: "af@afmug.com " >

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for a waveguide adapter for Remec 11ghz


*//*

*/Gino Villarini/*

President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968




I have a design and some prototypes. You looking for coax adapters?
*From:* Gino Villarini
*Sent:* Saturday, April 01, 2017 10:06 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Looking for a waveguide adapter for Remec 11ghz
Got some remec interface antenna, any remec to waveguide adapters 
in the market?


*//*

*/Gino Villarini/*

President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit POE extractor?

[Josh Baird]

I power SiteMonitors at a few sites from Netonix ports.

On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 2:55 PM, George Skorup 
wrote:

> I'm slightly confused. Gino, what are you trying to power from a Netonix
> port?
>
> On 4/3/2017 12:04 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> If I removed all the surge protection crap I can make it cost less.
>
> *From:* Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Monday, April 03, 2017 11:02 AM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit POE extractor?
>
> There are some cheap (sub $10) gigabit injectors out there, that would
> probably work in reverse, but they'll only do power on 2 pairs... I don't
> know of anything that will do four pair cheaper than Chuck's.
>
> On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 11:52 AM, Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
>
>> I haven’t tried it, but the Tycon $6 injector may work in reverse as well.
>>
>> You would have to find a gender change cable for the DC round plug I
>> guess.
>>
>>
>>
>> But I haven’t found a good solution for this either, in the form of a
>> standard GigE picker and injector pair, that works well and is under $20.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 3, 2017 9:58 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit POE extractor?
>>
>>
>>
>> Looking for something like that but gigabit / 4 pair power extraction
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Af  on behalf of Josh Baird <
>> joshba...@gmail.com>
>> *Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com" 
>> *Date: *Monday, April 3, 2017 at 11:10 AM
>> *To: *"af@afmug.com" 
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit POE extractor?
>>
>>
>>
>> We use these:
>>
>>
>>
>> http://tyconsystems.com/index.php/passive/555-poe-powertap
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Gino Villarini*
>>
>> President
>>
>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>
>> On Apr 3, 2017, at 10:50 AM, Gino Villarini  wrote:
>>
>> Anyone making it? Need to extract POE from Netonix SW and input it to
>> WBMFG POE cards
>>
>>
>>
>> *Gino Villarini*
>>
>> President
>>
>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>
>>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit POE extractor?

[George Skorup]

I'm slightly confused. Gino, what are you trying to power from a Netonix 
port?


On 4/3/2017 12:04 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

If I removed all the surge protection crap I can make it cost less.
*From:* Mathew Howard
*Sent:* Monday, April 03, 2017 11:02 AM
*To:* af
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit POE extractor?
There are some cheap (sub $10) gigabit injectors out there, that would 
probably work in reverse, but they'll only do power on 2 pairs... I 
don't know of anything that will do four pair cheaper than Chuck's.
On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 11:52 AM, Sterling Jacobson 
 wrote:


I haven’t tried it, but the Tycon $6 injector may work in reverse
as well.

You would have to find a gender change cable for the DC round plug
I guess.

But I haven’t found a good solution for this either, in the form
of a standard GigE picker and injector pair, that works well and
is under $20.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
*Sent:* Monday, April 3, 2017 9:58 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit POE extractor?

Looking for something like that but gigabit / 4 pair power extraction

*From: *Af  on behalf of Josh Baird

*Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com" 
*Date: *Monday, April 3, 2017 at 11:10 AM
*To: *"af@afmug.com" 
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit POE extractor?

We use these:

http://tyconsystems.com/index.php/passive/555-poe-powertap


Sent from my iPhone

/*Gino Villarini*/

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

On Apr 3, 2017, at 10:50 AM, Gino Villarini  wrote:

Anyone making it? Need to extract POE from Netonix SW and
input it to WBMFG POE cards

/*Gino Villarini*/

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

Re: [AFMUG] Using phone two wire for bridged link

[Josh Luthman]

I'd be happy with say 10 or 20 megs, it's only for a few WiFi residents.
I'm looking more for reliability than speed.

Would 17 MHz be more reliable than 30 MHz?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 1:18 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

> the main thing to look for with a VDSL2 converter bridge pair is, will it
> do the 30a profile (30MHz). Depending on how noisy your lines are or loop
> length you may need to flip a switch to change between 17a profile or 30a.
> But ideally 30a profile should actually have slightly more bandwidth that
> is required to bridge 100BaseTX at line rate.
>
> On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 8:07 AM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> Those both look perfect!  Even better than I was hoping.
>>
>> I'm going to try the Planet one since it's cheaper+I know the name.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 11:00 AM, Adam Moffett 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Google gave me this one:
>>> http://www.planet.com.tw/en/product/product.php?id=26448#spec
>>>
>>> 100FD at 300m.
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "Josh Luthman" 
>>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>>> Sent: 4/3/2017 10:54:14 AM
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Using phone two wire for bridged link
>>>
>>> I'm looking for something I believe was discussed here multiple times.
>>> I have old copper going between a few stories in the building and I need to
>>> get bandwidth up there.  Isn't there some box that people have used that
>>> will run with 2 wire or any kind of wire essentially and then you have
>>> 100baseT?
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Using phone two wire for bridged link

[Eric Kuhnke]

the main thing to look for with a VDSL2 converter bridge pair is, will it
do the 30a profile (30MHz). Depending on how noisy your lines are or loop
length you may need to flip a switch to change between 17a profile or 30a.
But ideally 30a profile should actually have slightly more bandwidth that
is required to bridge 100BaseTX at line rate.

On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 8:07 AM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Those both look perfect!  Even better than I was hoping.
>
> I'm going to try the Planet one since it's cheaper+I know the name.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 11:00 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> Google gave me this one:
>> http://www.planet.com.tw/en/product/product.php?id=26448#spec
>>
>> 100FD at 300m.
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Josh Luthman" 
>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Sent: 4/3/2017 10:54:14 AM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Using phone two wire for bridged link
>>
>> I'm looking for something I believe was discussed here multiple times.  I
>> have old copper going between a few stories in the building and I need to
>> get bandwidth up there.  Isn't there some box that people have used that
>> will run with 2 wire or any kind of wire essentially and then you have
>> 100baseT?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] rant: vendor just sent me a survey via email on a word doc

[Eric Kuhnke]

convert to wordperfect format compatible with whatever version of
wordperfect was used with MS-DOS 5.0, send back to them.

On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 7:55 AM, Gino Villarini  wrote:

> Really? Its frigging 2017….  Surveymonkey, formstack, google form
>
>
>
>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
>

[AFMUG] Anyone have a favorite dealer for Trylon knock down towers?

[Eric Kuhnke]

Contact me off list...

Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit POE extractor?

[Chuck McCown]

If I removed all the surge protection crap I can make it cost less.  

From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 11:02 AM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit POE extractor?

There are some cheap (sub $10) gigabit injectors out there, that would probably 
work in reverse, but they'll only do power on 2 pairs... I don't know of 
anything that will do four pair cheaper than Chuck's.


On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 11:52 AM, Sterling Jacobson  wrote:

  I haven’t tried it, but the Tycon $6 injector may work in reverse as well.

  You would have to find a gender change cable for the DC round plug I guess.



  But I haven’t found a good solution for this either, in the form of a 
standard GigE picker and injector pair, that works well and is under $20.



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
  Sent: Monday, April 3, 2017 9:58 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit POE extractor?



  Looking for something like that but gigabit / 4 pair power extraction 



  From: Af  on behalf of Josh Baird 
  Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
  Date: Monday, April 3, 2017 at 11:10 AM
  To: "af@afmug.com" 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit POE extractor?



  We use these:



  http://tyconsystems.com/index.php/passive/555-poe-powertap

  Sent from my iPhone





Gino Villarini
   
President
   
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
   



  On Apr 3, 2017, at 10:50 AM, Gino Villarini  wrote:

Anyone making it? Need to extract POE from Netonix SW and input it to WBMFG 
POE cards



  Gino Villarini
 
  President
 
  Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
 

Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit POE extractor?

[Mathew Howard]

There are some cheap (sub $10) gigabit injectors out there, that would
probably work in reverse, but they'll only do power on 2 pairs... I don't
know of anything that will do four pair cheaper than Chuck's.

On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 11:52 AM, Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:

> I haven’t tried it, but the Tycon $6 injector may work in reverse as well.
>
> You would have to find a gender change cable for the DC round plug I guess.
>
>
>
> But I haven’t found a good solution for this either, in the form of a
> standard GigE picker and injector pair, that works well and is under $20.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
> *Sent:* Monday, April 3, 2017 9:58 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit POE extractor?
>
>
>
> Looking for something like that but gigabit / 4 pair power extraction
>
>
>
> *From: *Af  on behalf of Josh Baird <
> joshba...@gmail.com>
> *Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com" 
> *Date: *Monday, April 3, 2017 at 11:10 AM
> *To: *"af@afmug.com" 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit POE extractor?
>
>
>
> We use these:
>
>
>
> http://tyconsystems.com/index.php/passive/555-poe-powertap
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
>
> President
>
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> On Apr 3, 2017, at 10:50 AM, Gino Villarini  wrote:
>
> Anyone making it? Need to extract POE from Netonix SW and input it to
> WBMFG POE cards
>
>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
>
> President
>
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit POE extractor?

[Chuck McCown]

I could probably do one at that price without a case.  Just a bare PCB with 
maybe some mounting holes on the corners.  

From: Sterling Jacobson 
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 10:52 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit POE extractor?

I haven’t tried it, but the Tycon $6 injector may work in reverse as well.

You would have to find a gender change cable for the DC round plug I guess.

 

But I haven’t found a good solution for this either, in the form of a standard 
GigE picker and injector pair, that works well and is under $20.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Monday, April 3, 2017 9:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit POE extractor?

 

Looking for something like that but gigabit / 4 pair power extraction 

 

From: Af  on behalf of Josh Baird 
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
Date: Monday, April 3, 2017 at 11:10 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit POE extractor?

 

We use these:

 

http://tyconsystems.com/index.php/passive/555-poe-powertap

Sent from my iPhone

 

   

  Gino Villarini
 
  President
 
  Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
 



On Apr 3, 2017, at 10:50 AM, Gino Villarini  wrote:

  Anyone making it? Need to extract POE from Netonix SW and input it to WBMFG 
POE cards

 

Gino Villarini
   
President
   
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
   

Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit POE extractor?

[Sterling Jacobson]

I haven't tried it, but the Tycon $6 injector may work in reverse as well.
You would have to find a gender change cable for the DC round plug I guess.

But I haven't found a good solution for this either, in the form of a standard 
GigE picker and injector pair, that works well and is under $20.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Monday, April 3, 2017 9:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit POE extractor?

Looking for something like that but gigabit / 4 pair power extraction

From: Af > on behalf of Josh 
Baird >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Monday, April 3, 2017 at 11:10 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit POE extractor?

We use these:

http://tyconsystems.com/index.php/passive/555-poe-powertap

Sent from my iPhone




Gino Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968


[cid:image001.png@01D2AC68.5EA3B910]
On Apr 3, 2017, at 10:50 AM, Gino Villarini 
> wrote:
Anyone making it? Need to extract POE from Netonix SW and input it to WBMFG POE 
cards



Gino Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968


[cid:image001.png@01D2AC68.5EA3B910]

Re: [AFMUG] See Ya later copper

[Chris Wright]

DSL too.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Timothy Steele
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 6:42 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] See Ya later copper


Better hurry up and get wireless to all the dialup customers...

On Mon, Apr 3, 2017, 8:55 AM Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:


AT Wants Out of Maintaining Landlines in Illinois


Telecom giant AT is asking for Illinois’ permission to scrap requirements 
that the company maintain land-based phone lines, according to the Rock River 
Times.

A recent survey said only four percent of people in Illinois still rely solely 
on landlines. AT has to obtain consent from state legislatures before they 
can petition the FCC to be allowed to cut off the thousands of miles of 
land-based phone lines. Other states want this option as well, so the FCC has a 
vote planned this month by the U.S. Senate to accomplish this. In 2015, the 
Ohio state legislature voted to allow basic landline services to be withdrawn 
by the major telecom companies.  (see story above)

“It’s taking a large investment that could be spent covering the vast majority 
of their customers for wireless or IP-based phone services,” Brent Skorup, 
Technology Fellow with the Mercatus Center told the Rock River Times.

Re: [AFMUG] Wholesale sip provider

[Peter Kranz]

Flowroute +1

 

Peter Kranz
www.UnwiredLtd.com  
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com  

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]
Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2017 11:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wholesale sip provider

 

I am enjoying Voip Innovations. 

Flowroute has been pretty good as well.

 

Jim

 

 

 

Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7 active, an AT 4G LTE smartphone

 

 

 Original message 

From: Jason Wilson  > 

Date: 4/1/17 1:43 PM (GMT-06:00) 

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: [AFMUG] Wholesale sip provider 

 

Who are you using and why?  Who to stay away from?

Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit POE extractor?

[Gino Villarini]

Looking for something like that but gigabit / 4 pair power extraction

From: Af > on behalf of Josh 
Baird >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Monday, April 3, 2017 at 11:10 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit POE extractor?

We use these:

http://tyconsystems.com/index.php/passive/555-poe-powertap

Sent from my iPhone




Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

On Apr 3, 2017, at 10:50 AM, Gino Villarini 
> wrote:

Anyone making it? Need to extract POE from Netonix SW and input it to WBMFG POE 
cards



Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit POE extractor?

[Chuck McCown]

Weird photo.  Looks like the cat5 plug is copper plated.  

From: Josh Baird 
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 9:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit POE extractor?

We use these:

http://tyconsystems.com/index.php/passive/555-poe-powertap

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 3, 2017, at 10:50 AM, Gino Villarini  wrote:


  Anyone making it? Need to extract POE from Netonix SW and input it to WBMFG 
POE cards



Gino Villarini
   
President 
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 

Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit POE extractor?

[Josh Baird]

We use these:

http://tyconsystems.com/index.php/passive/555-poe-powertap

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 3, 2017, at 10:50 AM, Gino Villarini  wrote:
> 
> Anyone making it? Need to extract POE from Netonix SW and input it to WBMFG 
> POE cards
>  
> 
> Gino Villarini
> 
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

Re: [AFMUG] Using phone two wire for bridged link

[Chuck McCown]

I am planning a project using netsys.  But have not used them before. 

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 9:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Using phone two wire for bridged link

Those both look perfect!  Even better than I was hoping.

I'm going to try the Planet one since it's cheaper+I know the name.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 11:00 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

  Google gave me this one:
  http://www.planet.com.tw/en/product/product.php?id=26448#spec

  100FD at 300m.

  -- Original Message --
  From: "Josh Luthman" 
  To: "af@afmug.com" 
  Sent: 4/3/2017 10:54:14 AM
  Subject: [AFMUG] Using phone two wire for bridged link

I'm looking for something I believe was discussed here multiple times.  I 
have old copper going between a few stories in the building and I need to get 
bandwidth up there.  Isn't there some box that people have used that will run 
with 2 wire or any kind of wire essentially and then you have 100baseT? 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] Using phone two wire for bridged link

[Josh Luthman]

Those both look perfect!  Even better than I was hoping.

I'm going to try the Planet one since it's cheaper+I know the name.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 11:00 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Google gave me this one:
> http://www.planet.com.tw/en/product/product.php?id=26448#spec
>
> 100FD at 300m.
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Sent: 4/3/2017 10:54:14 AM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Using phone two wire for bridged link
>
> I'm looking for something I believe was discussed here multiple times.  I
> have old copper going between a few stories in the building and I need to
> get bandwidth up there.  Isn't there some box that people have used that
> will run with 2 wire or any kind of wire essentially and then you have
> 100baseT?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Using phone two wire for bridged link

[Adam Moffett]

Google gave me this one:
http://www.planet.com.tw/en/product/product.php?id=26448#spec

100FD at 300m.

-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 4/3/2017 10:54:14 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Using phone two wire for bridged link

I'm looking for something I believe was discussed here multiple times.  
I have old copper going between a few stories in the building and I 
need to get bandwidth up there.  Isn't there some box that people have 
used that will run with 2 wire or any kind of wire essentially and then 
you have 100baseT?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit POE extractor?

[Gino Villarini]

Well yeah, looking for cheaper option :-)

From: Af > on behalf of Chuck 
McCown >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Monday, April 3, 2017 at 10:53 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit POE extractor?




Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

My POE cards will also extract POE.  They work in both directions.

From: Gino Villarini
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 8:50 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Gigabit POE extractor?

Anyone making it? Need to extract POE from Netonix SW and input it to WBMFG POE 
cards



Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:134FBA2BE6834F1B9E2022F6B5F75DFB@ChuckMcCownPC]

Re: [AFMUG] Using phone two wire for bridged link

[Louis Arsenault]

I have used this with good success.

*https://www.amazon.com/Kit-NV-202EKIT-HyperXtender-Ethernet-Extender/dp/B0067N3C4A/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8=1491231411=8-1=netsys+phone
*

On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 10:54 AM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> I'm looking for something I believe was discussed here multiple times.  I
> have old copper going between a few stories in the building and I need to
> get bandwidth up there.  Isn't there some box that people have used that
> will run with 2 wire or any kind of wire essentially and then you have
> 100baseT?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>



-- 
-Louis

NTInet
O: 803-533-1660 X 207
C: 803-997-0004

Re: [AFMUG] Using phone two wire for bridged link

[Adam Moffett]

DSL.
Though I don't have any current models to give you.  Haven't done it in 
years.



-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 4/3/2017 10:54:14 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Using phone two wire for bridged link

I'm looking for something I believe was discussed here multiple times.  
I have old copper going between a few stories in the building and I 
need to get bandwidth up there.  Isn't there some box that people have 
used that will run with 2 wire or any kind of wire essentially and then 
you have 100baseT?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

[AFMUG] rant: vendor just sent me a survey via email on a word doc

[Gino Villarini]

Really? Its frigging 2017….  Surveymonkey, formstack, google form

 [cid:8EF33E9F-C8EB-4929-BFCD-4F84BED12B41]



Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

[AFMUG] Using phone two wire for bridged link

[Josh Luthman]

I'm looking for something I believe was discussed here multiple times.  I
have old copper going between a few stories in the building and I need to
get bandwidth up there.  Isn't there some box that people have used that
will run with 2 wire or any kind of wire essentially and then you have
100baseT?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit POE extractor?

[Chuck McCown]

My POE cards will also extract POE.  They work in both directions.  

From: Gino Villarini 
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 8:50 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Gigabit POE extractor?

Anyone making it? Need to extract POE from Netonix SW and input it to WBMFG POE 
cards


  Gino Villarini
 
  President 
  Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 

[AFMUG] Gigabit POE extractor?

[Gino Villarini]

Anyone making it? Need to extract POE from Netonix SW and input it to WBMFG POE 
cards



Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

[AFMUG] Cambium POE holder?

[Gino Villarini]

Anyone making it? Lots of installs requiring wall mount or rack mount



Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

Re: [AFMUG] Analog Phoneline Question

[Chuck McCown]

Yep.  Just short it out.  

-Original Message- 
From: Nate Burke 
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 8:05 AM 
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] Analog Phoneline Question 

I have 4 analog lines in a hunt group, and the primary line has a bunch 
of static from the phone company side.  Is there an easy way to take 
that line 'off hook' at the DMARC so that incoming calls will roll over 
and ring into the good lines, and have this offhook solution be easily 
identifiable and removed by the phone company tech when he shows up in 
the next 3 days to work on it?  Like jumper the 2 terminals together or 
something?

[AFMUG] Analog Phoneline Question

[Nate Burke]

I have 4 analog lines in a hunt group, and the primary line has a bunch 
of static from the phone company side.  Is there an easy way to take 
that line 'off hook' at the DMARC so that incoming calls will roll over 
and ring into the good lines, and have this offhook solution be easily 
identifiable and removed by the phone company tech when he shows up in 
the next 3 days to work on it?  Like jumper the 2 terminals together or 
something?

Re: [AFMUG] See Ya later copper

[Timothy Steele]

Better hurry up and get wireless to all the dialup customers...

On Mon, Apr 3, 2017, 8:55 AM Lewis Bergman  wrote:

>
> *AT Wants Out of Maintaining Landlines in Illinois*
> Telecom giant AT is asking for Illinois’ permission to scrap
> requirements that the company maintain land-based phone lines, according to
> the* Rock River Times*.
>
> A recent survey said only four percent of people in Illinois still rely
> solely on landlines. AT has to obtain consent from state legislatures
> before they can petition the FCC to be allowed to cut off the thousands of
> miles of land-based phone lines. Other states want this option as well, so
> the FCC has a vote planned this month by the U.S. Senate to accomplish
> this. In 2015, the Ohio state legislature voted to allow basic landline
> services to be withdrawn by the major telecom companies.  (*see story
> above*)
>
> “It’s taking a large investment that could be spent covering the vast
> majority of their customers for wireless or IP-based phone services,” Brent
> Skorup, Technology Fellow with the Mercatus Center told the *Rock River
> Times*.
>

[AFMUG] See Ya later copper

[Lewis Bergman]

*AT Wants Out of Maintaining Landlines in Illinois*
Telecom giant AT is asking for Illinois’ permission to scrap requirements
that the company maintain land-based phone lines, according to the* Rock
River Times*.

A recent survey said only four percent of people in Illinois still rely
solely on landlines. AT has to obtain consent from state legislatures
before they can petition the FCC to be allowed to cut off the thousands of
miles of land-based phone lines. Other states want this option as well, so
the FCC has a vote planned this month by the U.S. Senate to accomplish
this. In 2015, the Ohio state legislature voted to allow basic landline
services to be withdrawn by the major telecom companies.  (*see story above*
)

“It’s taking a large investment that could be spent covering the vast
majority of their customers for wireless or IP-based phone services,” Brent
Skorup, Technology Fellow with the Mercatus Center told the *Rock River
Times*.

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for a waveguide adapter for Remec 11ghz

[Mark Radabaugh]

Gino,

Looking at the Trango website it looks like they offered relabeled RadioWaves 
along with another brand.   The ‘other’ looks a lot like a brand SAF used for a 
while but I can’t come up with the name at the moment. Which ones do you 
have?

Mark 
> On Apr 3, 2017, at 7:06 AM, Gino Villarini  wrote:
> 
> Trango Apex and Apex plus 
> 
> From: Af > on behalf of 
> Mark Radabaugh >
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com "  >
> Date: Sunday, April 2, 2017 at 7:21 PM
> To: "af@afmug.com " >
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for a waveguide adapter for Remec 11ghz
> 
> What brand antenna?
> 
> Mark Radabaugh
> Amplex
> 22690 Pemberville Rd
> Luckey, OH 43447
> 419-261-5996
> 
>  
> 
> Gino Villarini
> 
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
> 
> 
> On Apr 2, 2017, at 6:51 PM, Gino Villarini  > wrote:
> 
>> Trying to upgrade form Trango Apex and Apex Plus, the later is Remec, I do 
>> know there are Trango Apex to Apex plus adapters, 
>> 
>> The idea is to reuse the antennas, go to waveguide or direct mount to SIAE, 
>> 820 and AF11x 
>> 
>> From: Af > on behalf of 
>> Mark Radabaugh >
>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com " > >
>> Date: Sunday, April 2, 2017 at 9:22 AM
>> To: "af@afmug.com " >
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for a waveguide adapter for Remec 11ghz
>> 
>> Gino,
>> 
>> I think I have finally figured out the trick to turning a Andrew/Commscope 
>> antenna into the correct direct mount for most of the radios out there.
>> What exactly are you trying to mount to what?
>> 
>> Haven’t figured out the same for RadioWaves.
>> 
>> I have been having good luck turning antennas made for DragonWave or PTP800 
>> into Ceragon or Cambium 820’s, or the other way.  Finding the correct part 
>> numbers is the hardest part.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Gino Villarini
>>> 
>>> President
>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Apr 1, 2017, at 12:41 PM, Gino Villarini >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Coax or ubr
>>> 
>>> From: Af > on behalf of 
>>> Chuck McCown >
>>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com " >> >
>>> Date: Saturday, April 1, 2017 at 12:09 PM
>>> To: "af@afmug.com " >> >
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for a waveguide adapter for Remec 11ghz
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Gino Villarini
>>> 
>>> President
>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I have a design and some prototypes.  You looking for coax adapters?
>>>  
>>> From: Gino Villarini <>
>>> Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2017 10:06 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com <>
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Looking for a waveguide adapter for Remec 11ghz
>>>  
>>> Got some remec interface antenna, any remec to waveguide adapters in the 
>>> market?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Gino Villarini
>>> 
>>> President
>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>> 
>>> 
>> 

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for a waveguide adapter for Remec 11ghz

[Gino Villarini]

Exaclty… the perfect solution would be a Trango Apex to Waveguide

From: Af > on behalf of 
George Skorup >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Sunday, April 2, 2017 at 7:51 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for a waveguide adapter for Remec 11ghz

IIRC, the original Apex was just ass-backwards with the latches on the dish 
instead of the ODU, but it's still just a Remec circular interface.




Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

On 4/2/2017 5:51 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
Trying to upgrade form Trango Apex and Apex Plus, the later is Remec, I do know 
there are Trango Apex to Apex plus adapters,ï¿1Ž2

The idea is to reuse the antennas, go to waveguide or direct mount to SIAE, 820 
and AF11xï¿1Ž2

From: Af > on behalf of Mark 
Radabaugh >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Sunday, April 2, 2017 at 9:22 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for a waveguide adapter for Remec 11ghz

Gino,

I think I have finally figured out the trick to turning a Andrew/Commscope 
antenna into the correct direct mount for most of the radios out there. ï¿1Ž2 
ï¿1Ž2What exactly are you trying to mount to what?

Havenï¿1Ž2t figured out the same for RadioWaves.

I have been having good luck turning antennas made for DragonWave or PTP800 
into Ceragon or Cambium 820ï¿1Ž2s, or the other way. ï¿1Ž2Finding the correct 
part numbers is the hardest part.

Mark



ï¿1Ž2

Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:part7.D3794BF5.968BF94C@cbcast.com]

On Apr 1, 2017, at 12:41 PM, Gino Villarini 
> wrote:

Coax or ubr

From: Af > on behalf of Chuck 
McCown >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Saturday, April 1, 2017 at 12:09 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for a waveguide adapter for Remec 11ghz


ï¿1Ž2

Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968



I have a design and some prototypes.ï¿1Ž2 You looking for coax adapters?
ï¿1Ž2
From: Gino Villarini
Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2017 10:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Looking for a waveguide adapter for Remec 11ghz
ï¿1Ž2
Got some remec interface antenna, any remec to waveguide adapters in the market?

ï¿1Ž2

Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for a waveguide adapter for Remec 11ghz

[Gino Villarini]

Trango Apex and Apex plus

From: Af > on behalf of Mark 
Radabaugh >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Sunday, April 2, 2017 at 7:21 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for a waveguide adapter for Remec 11ghz

What brand antenna?

Mark Radabaugh
Amplex
22690 Pemberville Rd
Luckey, OH 43447
419-261-5996




Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

On Apr 2, 2017, at 6:51 PM, Gino Villarini 
> wrote:

Trying to upgrade form Trango Apex and Apex Plus, the later is Remec, I do know 
there are Trango Apex to Apex plus adapters,

The idea is to reuse the antennas, go to waveguide or direct mount to SIAE, 820 
and AF11x

From: Af > on behalf of Mark 
Radabaugh >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Sunday, April 2, 2017 at 9:22 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for a waveguide adapter for Remec 11ghz

Gino,

I think I have finally figured out the trick to turning a Andrew/Commscope 
antenna into the correct direct mount for most of the radios out there.What 
exactly are you trying to mount to what?

Haven’t figured out the same for RadioWaves.

I have been having good luck turning antennas made for DragonWave or PTP800 
into Ceragon or Cambium 820’s, or the other way.  Finding the correct part 
numbers is the hardest part.

Mark





Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

On Apr 1, 2017, at 12:41 PM, Gino Villarini 
> wrote:

Coax or ubr

From: Af > on behalf of Chuck 
McCown >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Saturday, April 1, 2017 at 12:09 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for a waveguide adapter for Remec 11ghz




Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968



I have a design and some prototypes.  You looking for coax adapters?

From: Gino Villarini
Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2017 10:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Looking for a waveguide adapter for Remec 11ghz

Got some remec interface antenna, any remec to waveguide adapters in the market?



Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

Re: [AFMUG] New IP block

[Mark Radabaugh]

For Akamai try emailing nocc-...@akamai.com  to 
open a ticket with them.  Might get you somewhere.

Mark 


> On Apr 3, 2017, at 2:25 AM, Jason McKemie  
> wrote:
> 
> So, a couple questions on the GeoIP information.
> 
> Where do you update the GeoIP information for Google?  I can't seem to find 
> anywhere to look it up.
> 
> Same goes for Akamai.
> 
> www.geoiptool.com  is listing my block as being in 
> Northbrook, IL although I'm not sure what database they're pulling from to 
> update.  
> 
> All the other sites that I've been able to check are showing the correct 
> information.
> 
> -Jason
> 
> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:13 PM, Mike Hammett  > wrote:
> The list I remember was more extensive, but here's one that's ringing a bell.
> 
> 
> https://web-beta.archive.org/web/20130122055317/http://nanog.cluepon.net/index.php/GeoIP
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>   
>  
>  
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>   
>  
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
>  
> 
> 
>  
> From: "Sterling Jacobson" >
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Sent: Friday, March 31, 2017 8:38:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New IP block
> 
> 
> There is also a list of geo response sites that you should make sure are 
> updated with your new geo information for your block.
> 
>  
> I didn’t know about that and all of the major streaming services banned all 
> of my blocks one day, causing a ton of phone calls.
> 
>  
> It cost me a few customers and lots of grief with a handful of streaming 
> service (mostly VUDU, they were the worst).
> 
>  
> Apparently most if not all of these streaming services use a handful of these 
> geo services/databases to determine if your IP address/block is out of 
> country or area.
> 
>  
> Then they blacklist the entire IP block in their systems.
> 
>  
> They thought ALL of my customers were doing VPNs from some other country.
> 
>  
> Though I never figured out where they thought it was from and ARIN had all my 
> correct info.
> 
>  
> I had to talk to each provider directly, and update a few of these main GEO 
> services directly.
> 
>  
> Eventually, like as in months, it worked out and I no longer have those 
> problems.
> 
>  
>  
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On 
> Behalf Of Jason McKemie
> Sent: Friday, March 31, 2017 6:17 PM
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: [AFMUG] New IP block
> 
>  
> So, Paul's thread has me a bit concerned about activating a new IP block that 
> I got through ARIN. Up to this point I've just used addresses delegated by my 
> upstream​. In the next few weeks I'm going to be bringing my own addresses 
> on-net.
> 
>  
> Anyone have a "checklist" of things that need be done to get this working 
> correctly?
> 
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] New IP block

[Jason McKemie]

So, a couple questions on the GeoIP information.

Where do you update the GeoIP information for Google?  I can't seem to find
anywhere to look it up.

Same goes for Akamai.

www.geoiptool.com is listing my block as being in Northbrook, IL although
I'm not sure what database they're pulling from to update.

All the other sites that I've been able to check are showing the correct
information.

-Jason

On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:13 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> The list I remember was more extensive, but here's one that's ringing a
> bell.
>
>
> https://web-beta.archive.org/web/20130122055317/http://
> nanog.cluepon.net/index.php/GeoIP
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Sterling Jacobson" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Friday, March 31, 2017 8:38:03 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] New IP block
>
>
> There is also a list of geo response sites that you should make sure are
> updated with your new geo information for your block.
>
>
>
> I didn’t know about that and all of the major streaming services banned
> all of my blocks one day, causing a ton of phone calls.
>
>
>
> It cost me a few customers and lots of grief with a handful of streaming
> service (mostly VUDU, they were the worst).
>
>
>
> Apparently most if not all of these streaming services use a handful of
> these geo services/databases to determine if your IP address/block is out
> of country or area.
>
>
>
> Then they blacklist the entire IP block in their systems.
>
>
>
> They thought ALL of my customers were doing VPNs from some other country.
>
>
>
> Though I never figured out where they thought it was from and ARIN had all
> my correct info.
>
>
>
> I had to talk to each provider directly, and update a few of these main
> GEO services directly.
>
>
>
> Eventually, like as in months, it worked out and I no longer have those
> problems.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Friday, March 31, 2017 6:17 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] New IP block
>
>
>
> So, Paul's thread has me a bit concerned about activating a new IP block
> that I got through ARIN. Up to this point I've just used addresses
> delegated by my upstream​. In the next few weeks I'm going to be bringing
> my own addresses on-net.
>
>
>
> Anyone have a "checklist" of things that need be done to get this working
> correctly?
>
>