Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Networks MicroPOP survey

[Brian Sullivan]

A neat product (which we couldn't use around here) would be a 5G 450 AP 
with 900MHz OFDM PTP built in.  Although you would have to use all the 
available 900Mhz spectrum to make it worthwhile.
Perhaps a nLOS 3.65 or LTE PTP combined with 450 AP would work in some 
areas.


On 6/8/2018 12:03 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
Yeah, "under the canopy" doesn't really happen around here, but 
getting into the middle of the trees does work in some cases... if we 
can get a point-to-point link working to one house in the middle of a 
subdivision, you can often get LOS to several other houses and  nLOS 
will sometimes even work with 5ghz at that kind of range.


On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 10:40 AM, Steve D > wrote:


And in bands outside of 5GHz as well.  I don't think there is such
a thing as "under the canopy" around here.  When you're in the
trees, you're in the trees.

900 in a lite configuration would be ideal for us.

-Steve D

On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 7:05 AM Matt mailto:matt.mailingli...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Why not just make a PMP450i lite connectorized AP?


On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 8:19 AM, Matt Mangriotis
mailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com>> wrote:
> Very good question George…
>
>
>
> I am trying to gauge interest.  Some folks would prefer that
they are using
> the same equipment throughout the network, and we don’t
really have an
> option right now for a lower priced (shorter range) but high
throughput
> extension of the network, but still a 450. Same SMs, etc…
>
>
>
> Really wondering if many folks can’t complete a certain
percentage of
> installs due to obstructions (foliage) using 5 GHz, but
could utilize an
> “under the canopy” type of solution to light up a
neighborhood.  Is that a
> really common situation?  How common?
>
>
>
> Any feedback is welcome, and I value your guys’ opinions
(more than some
> others)…
>
>
>
> Matt
>
>
>
> From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> On Behalf Of George Skorup
> Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 9:48 PM
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Networks MicroPOP
survey
>
>
>
> Ok, I guess I have to be the one to say this. Why would we
want a 450-based
> micro-POP product when we have ePMP? Just askin'.
>
> On 6/7/2018 10:29 AM, Matt Mangriotis wrote:
>
> I would really like to get your opinions on this topic�
would a 450 device
> like this help you in your network?
>
> �
>
> Now�s you chance to comment and help direct us!
>
> �
>
> Please fill out the short survey and add any other info
you�d like.�
> It�s only 16 questions.
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> �
>
> Matt
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> �
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> From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Ray Savich
> Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 10:08 AM
> To: 'af@afmug.com ' mailto:af@afmug.com>>
> Subject [AFMUG] Cambium Networks MicroPOP survey
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> �
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> Add your input to the Cambium Networks MicroPOP survey.
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[AFMUG] Dual Pol Feed Horn

[Brian Sullivan]

I'm looking for a replacement of this type of 5GHz feed horn.  I had 
some water ingress and the inside looks corroded.
Since this is the only part that is bad, i'd like to buy just this 
piece.  Need 2 or 3 if possible.
I believe this is from a Laird/PacWireless brand dish.  Google has 
failed me once again, I can't find any in-stock or that don't cost more 
than a new dish.

Re: [AFMUG] After Hours Tech Support

[Brian Sullivan]

We are open until 12AM M-F.  New customer's are happy to hear this.
Between calls the tech's have a list of tasks to-do around the office.  
Hourly wages, entry level position.


On 4/27/2018 11:27 AM, Paul Stewart wrote:

If you answer calls and return voicemails after hours you set expectation that 
you always will … so if those calls are important enough (and only you would 
know) then why not offer extended hours instead?  What I’m suggesting is 
sticking to published business hours and/or adjusting them to meet your 
customers needs.


On Apr 25, 2018, at 7:39 PM, Matt  wrote:

How or what do you pay an employee to either answer phone calls or
return voicemails after hours or on weekends?

Re: [AFMUG] GPS problems around 11:30 to 1:30 every night

[Brian Sullivan]

We have this at a couple sites each year.  Usually, I can mount the GPS 
antenna in a different place and solve the issue.  Whats interesting is, 
I don't see this issue with the SyncBoxes, only CMM Micro.  And I have 
both at the same towers affected.


On 4/6/2018 4:39 PM, Bill Prince wrote:


We have a SyncInjector mounted on the south side of a concrete 
building. The building is thick concrete ( > 12"),  and extends up 
above the location of the GPS antenna 30 or 40 feet. The building is 
also a shallow "V" shape with the GPS antenna at inside base of the V. 
So the GPS antenna gets about 170° view of the sky to the south.


It goes through a periodic cycle of visibility, but it's not the same 
time every night, or even every day.



bp


On 4/6/2018 2:20 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
But the question is, why at the same time every day?   Especially 
since the gps satellites don't orbit on a 24 hour period...   that's 
what has me troubled with my customer.


On Fri, Apr 6, 2018, 2:11 PM Bill Prince > wrote:


Exposure to the north or south should not make a significant
difference. GPS satellites, excepting the WAAS satellites, are
not in geostationary orbits. They are (mostly?) in medium earth
orbit of around 12,000 miles.

I think it may be more of how much of the sky they can see.

bp


On 4/6/2018 1:45 PM, Dave wrote:

how much exposure to the northern hemisphere does it have?
If I remember those antennas are fairly small


On 04/06/2018 10:15 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

I have an epmp that has GPS problems and goes into the hold
timer for a few minutes every single night for the last many
months (maybe even a year).

Didn't think much of it until I noticed all of the times being
right around midnight, give or take...

WTF?  Any ideas what's causing it?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


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Re: [AFMUG] grr - installing

[Brian Sullivan]

How do you seal penetrations?


On 3/9/2018 10:28 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

caulk, the devils chowder

On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 10:19 AM, Chuck McCown > wrote:


silicone grease or caulk?
*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Friday, March 09, 2018 9:18 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] grr - installing
yep, the force 200 was mounted to one of those little light
aluminum j arms for the fsk, and the force 190 they overtightened
the hose clamp and it failed. Im coming across flapping cable,
cable down inside the gutters, cable laid across the dirt. DS
mounts that arent plumb, its irritating. And there is silicone on
my F&@ network again, I banned that stuff years ago
On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 9:43 AM, Mathew Howard
 wrote:

One looks to be a Force 200, and the other a Force 190.


On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 9:24 AM, Dave  wrote:

Are those the Force 200 ?

I have had some real winners on our team. I feel your pain.
We now have a 2week boot camp all new hires go thru before
sending them out on their own adventures :)
I use the Left seat right seat method with a senior tech.


On 03/08/2018 09:37 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:

Don't you just love it when people do three times as much
work to do something wrong, which then falls apart a
month later, as it would've taken to just do it right?
On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 6:25 PM, Steve Jones
 wrote:

im filling in for installer, todays masterpieces i
have come across
the Ds with the self tappers in it amazes, me, they
actually took the mount out of plumb and fastened it
crooked




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[AFMUG] Streaming service included

[Brian Sullivan]

T-Mobile gives away Netflix.  Sprint gives away Hulu.  Others will 
likely follow.
Has anyone here looked into including a streaming service for their 
customers?

Re: [AFMUG] competition

[Brian Sullivan]

Are you recording the video off-site?  Or viewing the cameras here and 
there?

Seems like 'Unlimited' plans wouldn't support cloud recording for very long.

On 1/19/2018 2:12 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
We have a SCADA client with three cameras and NVR getting Internet 
access via 4G LTE Cradlepoint with T-Mobile card.  We pay 25.00 a 
month for service for unlimited plan. Speeds have been as high as 
92MBps with average around 25we are going to install 30 ish more 
cameras and some real time apps on technicians phones for alarms and 
monitoring.   After that I should have a better idea of performance of 
LTE service and costs.   I know OReillys use Cradlepoint links in 
almost all their stores so it is becoming more accepted.  Time will tell.


Jaime Solorza

On Jan 19, 2018 12:45 PM, "Rory Conaway" > wrote:


It is a 3G device that usually gets disconnected within 2-3
months.  It also doesn’t do 24Mbps, he is full of crap.

Rory

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *CBB - Jay Fuller
*Sent:* Thursday, January 18, 2018 2:43 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] competition

Had a customer complaining about speed on a tower. Not usual - but
before we could reply (this was on facebook), a former customer
replied with these comments...

"I got a att hotspot off ebay along with a att unlimited
unthrottled sim card from drwireless and love it i have used 240
gb this month and het speeds up to 24 mb download speed."

Our 2.4 can barely deliver 10 meg.EPMP can do a little more
than that, but I know even the new 900 mhz or so can hold up to
that

now i googled the whole drwireless and it appears to be an illegal
hardware hack or somethingnot all that reliable.so
although this guy is happy now maybe he won't be eventually

we have seen a higher volume of departures to competiting products
like this.  it might even force a redesign of some of our pricing.

anyone else seeing this?  What are your thoughts?

Re: [AFMUG] OLD FSK Equipment

[Brian Sullivan]

We use CNUT v3 to interface 100 series.

On 1/10/2018 11:12 AM, Gilbert Gutierrez wrote:
I am trying to convert an old FSK 100 from software scheduled to 
hardware scheduled but am hitting a wall.


When I run the Advantage Platform Scheduler, here are my symptoms...
1. The AP is listed as Unable to Communicate/Extract info from Element 
in the tool
2. When I select the element, I can run the switch but it pauses after 
ftp and asks for a password. When I insert the password, the tool 
responds "Completed" and the log says ERROR: Failed Telnet to x.x.x.x


I am using CNUT 4.10. The AP and the package file are 7.3.6. I am 
wondering if I have to use a much older version CNUT. It has been so 
long since I have done this. Does anyone have pointers besides replace 
the very old equipment (I will be doing this spring)?


Gilbert

Re: [AFMUG] battery

[Brian Sullivan]

Designed to fail 1 month after warranty expires.� Planned obsolescence, 
like an IPhone.


On 12/29/2017 1:27 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

WalMart
PN: 29DC
1464 watt hours
$86.83
5.9 cents per watt hour

Doesn't come much cheaper than that.

Re: [AFMUG] 4k tv

[Brian Sullivan]

Amazon Fire TV has 4K. (not Fire stick)
Some YouTube content on the Samsung Smart TV App as well.

On 11/20/2017 3:06 PM, Simon Westlake wrote:
All the Netflix original stuff is in 4K. I don't think there is much 
else. I watch a lot of Netflix originals in 4K though.


On 11/20/2017 2:54 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:


I had about an hour to kill this afternoon so I spent it in Costco 
roaming around...


Some of the pictures on the Samsung TVs that are UTV or even Beyond 
UTV are absolutely astonishing.


At the end of the TV section was the DirecTV rep.  I have DirecTV 
satellite and I like my high definition picture and my 
high-definition home projector.


All of my TV's in my home were purchased in the last five to ten 
years and they're all HD capable.  Most are smart TVs that run apps 
but the apps don't ever update and you pretty much get what the TV 
has and that's it


So I decided to get all excited I had a little money burning a hole 
in my pocket I thought I would grab one of these super duper Samsung 
Ultra high-definition televisions.  Ok not really but lets pretend I 
did


I told the DirecTV lady when HD first came out it took the 
broadcasters a while to start broadcasting in HD. I asked her for a 
list of which channels broadcast in 4kShe gave me the list


104.DTV4k
105cine4k
106Live4k

BasicallyNONE

How much programming on Netflix is in 4k? I am aware of the extreme 
bandwidth requirements


And guaranteed if I got a hacked Amazon Fire stick it's not going to 
show me anything in 4k


What is the point? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?


Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone



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Phone: (702) 447-1247 US / (780) 900-1180 CA
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The future of ISP billing and OSS
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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Ethernet Port Part Number

[Brian Sullivan]

I asked Cambium the same question earlier this year.  They responded 
with a question, "are you using strain relief?"

Got no where and ended up going using old ports from old gear.


On 11/8/2017 10:21 AM, Matt wrote:

It takes a lot of heat to remove one.  I would rather just order the
part.  Used to do a great deal of component level repairs years back.


On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 4:54 PM, Colin Stanners  wrote:

Pmp450 SM... Unless Cambium changed something, grab a Cambium surge, it is
more expensive per port but that is two that you already had in stock.

On Nov 1, 2017 4:37 PM, "Matt"  wrote:

Does anybody know the Digikey, Mouser or Jameco part number for
replacement RJ45 port on Cambium PMP450 SM?  Standard 5ghz SM that can
use reflector?  Have a few that are broke.

Thanks.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good Weather App/site

[Brian Sullivan]

I use this on my PC and phone.
https://m.accuweather.com/en/us/nmigs-radar?lat=42.041=-88.32=true=400
On your Android, click on "Add shortcut to Home screen"


On 10/26/2017 10:21 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
I've used Wunderground for years, but their recent updates have 
basically broken things.  The Droid App no longer correctly displays 
the radar.  It sometimes won't update, or only displays a few frames 
of animation, or only loads part of the radar overlay. On a PC, their 
site now takes 10-20 seconds to load, and at least for me, the 
Wundermap keeps sending me to the radar in LA, and uses the CPU 
Resources of a small computing cluster.  And even then still doesn't 
load correctly.


What else is out there that gives good Radar loop and 7-10 day local 
forecast.  I don't care about other things like 'click here to see the 
worlds 7 worst storms that have trapped kittens who are rescued by 
lemurs'  like weather.com seems to think is the most important reason 
you go to their site.

Re: [AFMUG] Magnets on a warm summer day

[Brian Sullivan]

Nice video!  Would love to see even more tests with stronger magnets.

On 7/29/2017 6:16 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

Very cool video... definitely a need for this product

Jaime Solorza

On Jul 29, 2017 3:37 PM, "Chuck McCown" > wrote:



Magnetic Tower Mount


  Some more destructive testing.


  Magnetic mount for water towers and other structures.

Check out my latest video:
*Havin' Fun With Magnets *



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Re: [AFMUG] 15.1 Radar

[Brian Sullivan]

In Config > Radio > Power Control, what is the External Gain set to?

On 6/29/2017 11:25 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
I too have noticed some increased DFS hits, usually happens in the 
morning hours


On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 3:26 PM, Eric Muehleisen > wrote:


Yes. Two events yesterday on same AP. I have no previous history
since this AP is a new install. It's mounted to a concrete grain
elevator, so the backside is completely shielded. I have a feeling
they are false positives.

On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 2:16 PM, Chris Wright > wrote:

Ever since upgrading to 15.1 the beginning of June,  I’m
noticing a significant jump in radar incidents on several of
my 450 APs on different towers pointing in different
directions. Anyone else seeing an increase? The Y-axis in the
attached image is radar events in increments of 50.

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

Re: [AFMUG] 14 awg cable source

[Brian Sullivan]

Landscape lighting wire is UV rated.  14/2 is less than $.30 /ft.

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Southwire-500-ft-14-2-Black-Stranded-Landscape-Lighting-Cable-55213245/202316236

On 5/15/2017 2:30 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

Does the sjoow seem to weather ok exposed on a tower?

On Friday, May 12, 2017, George Skorup > wrote:


We've used some regular ol' SJOOW. 16AWG would probably be fine
for a single eNB, since you can only run 100 meters of ethernet
anyway.

An alternative would be Shireen DFP-1246 that comes in 500'
spools. If Baicells comes up with a new eNB later with a SFP slot,
then you're all set. Then the Cat6 is still there for the
management interface.

On 5/12/2017 6:12 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

Does anyone have a good source for 14 awg 2 wire cable?  The
stuff that Baicells is trying to push is really over priced.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance

[Brian Sullivan]

Pick any brand of Chinese anti-virus and that will do the trick!
Congrats!


On 5/9/2017 11:18 AM, Darin Steffl wrote:

I cannot believe you haha! Great way to announce a pregnancy lol 
On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 6:13 PM Joe Novak > wrote:


LOL. Excellent delivery. Congrats Steve!

On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 10:56 AM, Steve Jones
> wrote:

Hers the initial diagnostic output

On May 9, 2017 9:52 AM, "Steve Jones"
>
wrote:

There is only one infected device. The malicious code that
is replicating is directly attached to the command and
control node. I know a lot of people would simply
CleanSweep, but we just don't feel that is an appropriate
step. There may be an IOT baby monitor that gets swept up
in all this before its over in December.

On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 7:34 AM, David Milholen
> wrote:

As any virus running on a network it has a pattern
weather it be dormant on the network at times or not.

Identify the pattern and where it is trying to phone
home to and isolate it from phoning home. Then Clean
sweep the machines you have control of.

The worst part of any of this is that IOT devices
IE(ip cameras,dvrs, tempature monitors and others) are
the real threat as they have weak basic code that is
open to the network.

Isolation will be your best bet. This will prevent
DDOS attacks on one front but doesnt stop new viruses
from entering.



On 5/8/2017 10:34 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

an addendum to this, there are two primay variants to
the payload. One tends to be much more aggressive, a
much more roughly defined code, not all that pretty,
but ultimately very versatile and robust. The other
is normally more elegant in design, but it tends to
be visciously malicious, this is the one to be most
concerned of. Its underlying code has started wars
and destroyed nations

On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 9:49 PM, Steve Jones
> wrote:

So this weekend I discovered a Trojan virus on my
network. Sometime around January we had opted to
remove an old firewall that had met its product
life cycles end. We were still in the process of
deciding whether to continue with temporary
firewalls or look toward more robust input/output
chain policies for a hardened, more permanent
solution. In the mean time, of course, we
continued to do the upload/download thing. We had
some suspicion that there was something going on,
we noted alot of broadcast storms, particularly
in the mornings. The network had become
particularly sluggish and there seemed to be alot
of application bloat, initially i just attributed
this to poor code maintenance resulting in a
memory leak.
We did a basic Netstat this weekend and
discovered a traffic anomaly. So we went to a
professional and had them run a packet sniffer.
We had verification of foreign code, likely for
as long as 6-8 weeks.
It will be layer 3 in this case but its too early
to tell whether this codes payload will be TCP or
UDP, we will be monitoring as the code
replicates. This is a pretty common virus, as a
matter of fact we have all had it at one point,
probably so long ago we dont even remember. We
anticipate The fully formed packet chain to leave
NAT mode and be fully routed out to the WAN in
December.




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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium POE holder?

[Brian Sullivan]

If you purchase a lot of them, it seems like a 3-D printer may be a good 
investment.


On 4/3/2017 4:03 PM, Colin Stanners wrote:
E-mail:  Brian(at)prairie-sky.com  , he ran 
poemounts.com  (site down for maintenance), I 
think those are the ones that Josh pictured. They're a tiny bit loose 
as originally made for Ubnt PoEs, but they work pretty well.


On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 9:50 AM, Gino Villarini > wrote:


Anyone making it? Lots of installs requiring wall mount or rack mount

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Re: [AFMUG] CMM5 controller.. Are you serious, Cambium?

[Brian Sullivan]

At least they are using the highest quality electronics here!!!

On 2/17/2017 11:11 AM, Vlad Sedov wrote:

This is a finished product, minus lid (see pic)

Most of the code is just opensource OS for the Raspberry Pi. I imagine 
there's a proprietary USB driver for the injector and controller 
software.. big deal.
You're already paying over a grand for the CMM5 injector itself.. 
Charging that much for what amounts to a glorified homebrew management 
solution is a bit insulting.


...and the only reason I opened it, was because something was rattling 
inside as we took it out of the packaging. I opened it up to find the 
5VDC connector just dangling, not connected to the Pi. A drop of hot 
glue could have fixed that. Hell, I hot-snot the crap out of all my 
Arduino projects by default, to keep this shit from happening.



Vlad

On 2/17/2017 10:55 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

You couldn't write the software for it for $100.

Are you looking at a prototype or a finished product? Link?



-- Original Message --
From: "Vlad Sedov" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/17/2017 11:53:31 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CMM5 controller.. Are you serious, Cambium?

No doubt, but for $800, I would expect something a bit more um.. 
rugged. I can build this for about $100.



Vlad

On 2/17/2017 10:36 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Just like you, they're in business to make money.


-- Original Message --
From: "Vlad Sedov" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 2/17/2017 10:31:01 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] CMM5 controller.. Are you serious, Cambium?

$700-900 for a $35 Raspberry Pi controller, a DC-DC regulator, and 
a metal box?
Looks like OpenWRT-type Linux distro with LuCI web interface, and 
a module to control the CMM5.


Seems a bit steep, no?


peace

Vlad

Re: [AFMUG] Netgear funny business

[Brian Sullivan]

Funny.
Once we figured out the power supplies that came with GS108t switches 
are horrible and found a replacement, we can't argue with what works.  
We aren't kind to them either, they see some environmentally unfriendly 
conditions.


On 2/10/2017 1:15 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
I wouldn't put "we have used netgear around our network" on a public 
forum that's searchable and associated to your name, but that's just 
me...


scary.

On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 10:56 AM, Brian Sullivan 
<installe...@foxvalley.net <mailto:installe...@foxvalley.net>> wrote:


We have used Netgear around our network in places.  Mostly
positive results. What other vendor would you suggest that isn't
cutting corners like this?


On 2/10/2017 12:45 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

Looking at these more...

FPE H20202DL-R
Is a dual 10/100 magnetics... So 4 pairs. This would work for a
single gigabit port

FPE H40520MN
Is a quad 10/100 magnetics, so 8 pairs - this would work for two
gigabit ports

I've also looked at the specs for these... seem like they're
close enough to gigabit to work.

So as much as I would like to complain about cutting corners,
this is one of those cases where I don't see any obvious problems
with this.


On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 11:18 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

There are three, one of one part number and two of the other.
*From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
*Sent:* Friday, February 10, 2017 11:15 AM
*To:* af
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Netgear funny business
I've found that in the effort to make gigabit things cheap,
one of the main ways people cut corners are to use the worlds
cheapest magnetics which mostly work.  This is amazingly
prevalent in the PoE market, as I've found that it's pretty
common for the cheap vendors to use a chinese knockoff of an
already questionable set of magnetics. Usually *not* rated
for PoE, but works in many circumstances.   I really wish I
wasn't a vendor because I'd do a set of videos about some of
my competition and the horrible sins they've committed in
this regards.
In this case it looks like they might taken a 'dual 10/100'
magnetics and used them for gigabit which assuming all the
specs are fine might actually work since 'dual' really means
'4 pair'.   Is there one set of these for each port?
-forrest
On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 8:51 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Took apart a brand new netgear GS205v2 router.  It says 5
port gig router.
Interesting that the ethernet magnetics inside will only
do 100 mbps...



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Re: [AFMUG] Netgear funny business

[Brian Sullivan]

We have used Netgear around our network in places.  Mostly positive 
results.  What other vendor would you suggest that isn't cutting corners 
like this?


On 2/10/2017 12:45 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

Looking at these more...

FPE H20202DL-R
Is a dual 10/100 magnetics... So 4 pairs.   This would work for a 
single gigabit port


FPE H40520MN
Is a quad 10/100 magnetics, so 8 pairs - this would work for two 
gigabit ports


I've also looked at the specs for these...  seem like they're close 
enough to gigabit to work.


So as much as I would like to complain about cutting corners, this is 
one of those cases where I don't see any obvious problems with this.



On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 11:18 AM, > wrote:


There are three, one of one part number and two of the other.
*From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
*Sent:* Friday, February 10, 2017 11:15 AM
*To:* af
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Netgear funny business
I've found that in the effort to make gigabit things cheap, one of
the main ways people cut corners are to use the worlds cheapest
magnetics which mostly work.  This is amazingly prevalent in the
PoE market, as I've found that it's pretty common for the cheap
vendors to use a chinese knockoff of an already questionable set
of magnetics.  Usually *not* rated for PoE, but works in many
circumstances.   I really wish I wasn't a vendor because I'd do a
set of videos about some of my competition and the horrible sins
they've committed in this regards.
In this case it looks like they might taken a 'dual 10/100'
magnetics and used them for gigabit which assuming all the specs
are fine might actually work since 'dual' really means '4 pair'.  
Is there one set of these for each port?

-forrest
On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 8:51 AM,  wrote:

Took apart a brand new netgear GS205v2 router.  It says 5 port
gig router.
Interesting that the ethernet magnetics inside will only do
100 mbps...



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Re: [AFMUG] 3650 quick look

[Brian Sullivan]

My shortcut died also.  It's still there.

On 2/6/2017 1:26 PM, Dave wrote:

What happened to this site?
http://www.comsearch.com/applications/search_3650/search3650MHZ.jsp

Is there an alternative to those who were using this site on occasion ?



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Re: [AFMUG] Items I still have for sale

[Brian Sullivan]

I have noticed about 10% throughput increase using a focus ring on our 
5g OFDM SM's.  Why?

And why hasn't Cambium figured this out and include them?

On 2/3/2017 1:51 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Especially if you wrap your lips around it prior to eating.
(Just got a patent for it).
*From:* Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Friday, February 3, 2017 12:45 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Items I still have for sale

Would a Focus Ring help me focus?  I could use that.  Does it work 
like the bucket that Gomer Pyle put on his head? Or is it more like 
Captain Planet and the Planeteers? (by our powers combined …)


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy 
/sarcasm

*Sent:* Friday, February 3, 2017 1:24 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Items I still have for sale

lolz

On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 12:49 PM,  wrote:

Here are a few items I still have for sale... www.mccowntech.com


*From:*Timothy Yent

*Sent:*Friday, February 3, 2017 11:45 AM

*To:*af@afmug.com

*Subject:*[AFMUG] Items I still have for sale

If interested in any of the items below, please let me know.  Make
offer, no reasonable offer will be refused. Shipping to be paid by
buyer.

6  Last Mile Gear CTM-100 Slave units

41 12dB 2.4 Ghz ePMP WBMFG Reflector Dish

1 Allot NetEnforcer AC-1440

1 Allot NetEnforcer Bypass

You can view product specifications at
http://www.allot.com/products/platforms/netenforcer/

Tim

Mercury Network Corporation



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team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] 450 vs 450i

[Brian Sullivan]

+1 for slapping

On 1/20/2017 11:52 AM, Eric Muehleisen wrote:

In a perfect world.

On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 11:32 AM, Kurt Fankhauser 
<lists.wavel...@gmail.com <mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote:


You shouldn't be putting any clients on a 450AP with less than 4x
connections, when they start pulling a lot of traffic they
significantly choke the AP. Whoever engineered those links needs
slapped. I know it probably  looked like a good idea at the time
to add a new customer but a couple low signal clients really
affect total AP capacity. You could probably pull all the 1x and
2x clients and replace them with 10 times more customers running
at 8x mnodulatio n and maintain the same utilization rates on that AP.

On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 9:45 PM, Craig Schmaderer
<cr...@skywaveconnect.com <mailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com>> wrote:

Remember that even a couple of sms runing at 2x or 4x will
kill your peak performance if they are the ones that are
usually streaming.  We are very careful on what aps we put low
signals on and we control what plans we offer as well based on
signal strength. I just can not have a 2x customer want a 10mb
plan.  I do think that a 450i will definitely help with uplink
interference like others have said. But i think your best bet
is to drop the cash and put some 450m up on that tower. 
Sounds like that is a cash cow tower like my main tower is.




*From:* Af <af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Jon Langeler
<jon-ispli...@michwave.net <mailto:jon-ispli...@michwave.net>>
*Sent:* Thursday, January 19, 2017 4:18:22 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450 vs 450i
Put a Mikrotik behind an SM and speed test to the internet

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Jan 19, 2017, at 1:08 PM, Brian Sullivan
<installe...@foxvalley.net <mailto:installe...@foxvalley.net>>
wrote:
>
> I would check out page 9-51 in the PMP 450x Configuration
and User Guide 15.0.2
>
>> On 1/19/2017 11:37 AM, Tushar Patel wrote:
>> So how can we tell when we are really saturating the
connection?
>

Re: [AFMUG] 450 vs 450i

[Brian Sullivan]

I would check out page 9-51 in the PMP 450x Configuration and User Guide 
15.0.2


On 1/19/2017 11:37 AM, Tushar Patel wrote:

So how can we tell when we are really saturating the connection?

Re: [AFMUG] 450m

[Brian Sullivan]

Is that it's power supply hanging off of the back?

On 1/10/2017 5:14 PM, Dave wrote:
Thats all there is that I could find or get at this time. I am sure 
more to follow.



On 01/10/2017 12:14 PM, Brian Sullivan wrote:
Through online chat I asked Cambium the other day for a spec sheet.  
All they gave me was the quick start guide.

Attached.

On 1/10/2017 10:55 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


I sent the gang out to look for any Cambium documentation on the CMM5.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 10, 2017 10:28 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450m

All Ethernet gear has to have some surge protection built in or it 
will not pass certain specs.


But you need replicable/expendable  robust external surge 
suppressors as the first line of defense.


If the surge suppressor is designed properly it will not degrade 
performance.


*From:*Ken Hohhof

*Sent:*Tuesday, January 10, 2017 9:05 AM

*To:*<mailto:af@afmug.com>af@afmug.com

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] 450m

Looks like a stealth product.  Maybe WikiLeaks can get us a spec 
sheet.  David, can you post a photo of your setup?


It looks like around $1000 street price for 4 ports, plus a separate 
controller, plus a UGPS? Wowzers.  Compare to CTM2 from LMG which is 
8 ports with integral controller.


Can you get 2 of the 4-port modules, or 1 module and a controller, 
in 1U rackmount?  Are you using the controller?  Does it exist yet?


You mention surge protection, does that mean it has integral surge 
protection like the CTM2?  Downside would be frying a whole $1000 
unit if it takes a hit.  If you still use a separate surge 
protector, like maybe Chuck’s APC shelf modules, does the double 
surge protector degrade Ethernet performance?


The compatibility chart show it can work with 56V APs like 
450i/450m, as well as 29V APs like 450.  I’m assuming it’s whatever 
power supply you connect to the module?  As opposed to generating 
the appropriate voltages internally from the 48V input?


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *David Milholen
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 10, 2017 7:34 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450m

If anyone is going 450m I would really suggest the CMM5 line of 
products to go with it.


Takes all the guess work out of gps timing and surge protection at 
the base or control point.


Also, its a long term solution for those needing high capacity 
within highly dense areas.


Just got our first one in yesterday and love the new modular design 
and stackable ports for up to


32 controlled ports from one controller.

On 12/30/2016 9:33 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:

No, like all 450 gear it requires an external source.

Jeff Broadwick

ConVergence Technologies, Inc.

312-205-2519 Office

574-220-7826 Cell

jbroadw...@converge-tech.com <mailto:jbroadw...@converge-tech.com>


On Dec 30, 2016, at 10:22 AM, Joshua Heide <j...@velociter.net>
wrote:

Does the 450m have a built in gps? If so has anyone used it?

Thanks,

Josh

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Re: [AFMUG] 20mhz vs 30mhz PMP450

[Brian Sullivan]

Can you share what your 30MHz AP's reach in terms of RF throughput maximum?
You're using 450i correct?  In testing, our regular 450 in 30MHz size 
seems to choke at capacity + ping times begin to spike.



On 1/5/2017 4:50 PM, Craig Schmaderer wrote:
I have a tower 4 90s 30mhz running back to back for months just 
screaming. I saw a good performance jump a month ago when i went from 
14.2.1 to 15.1.




*From:* Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Brian Sullivan 
<installe...@foxvalley.net>

*Sent:* Thursday, January 5, 2017 3:47:12 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 20mhz vs 30mhz PMP450
We are back to back 20 + 30 for about a week.  Seems OK.

On 1/5/2017 2:51 PM, Jon Langeler wrote:
> Anyone using 30mhz? Is it possible to sync 20 with 30?
>
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>

Re: [AFMUG] 20mhz vs 30mhz PMP450

[Brian Sullivan]

We are back to back 20 + 30 for about a week.  Seems OK.

On 1/5/2017 2:51 PM, Jon Langeler wrote:

Anyone using 30mhz? Is it possible to sync 20 with 30?

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.

Re: [AFMUG] epmp vs 450 comparison

[Brian Sullivan]

I don't have more than a weeks worth of graph data, but with 450m, we 
see about 50-80% increase in throughput vs 450.


On 1/4/2017 4:01 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


That assumes you have plenty of available spectrum.  But in reality 
5.4 is DFS which is yucky, and 5.2 takes a xmt power hit due to OOBE 
rules anywhere but the top of the sub-band.


If you have limited spectrum, I would think 450m for the win.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy 
/sarcasm

*Sent:* Wednesday, January 4, 2017 3:18 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] epmp vs 450 comparison

average 38mb at about 67% air time, puts the calculated capacity at 
around 56mb, so roughly 64-67% efficiency


My thoughts are in the long run its just going to be more efficient to 
stick up more EPMP and distribute the load by SM distance between EIRP 
limitations of the different rulesets, the biggest cost factor being 
power consumption, but it will take 3 or 4 EPMP to equal a 450m, and 4 
epmp costs less than one 450m leaving money for enclosures and power 
supplies assuming there is space, and this particular site has space


On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 3:07 PM, Brian Sullivan 
<installe...@foxvalley.net <mailto:installe...@foxvalley.net>> wrote:


You say "64-7% efficient".  So you're seeing traffic hit ~55M at
peak?

If so, I wouldn't expect to see much more with PMP450.

On 1/4/2017 2:55 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

if im running 75/25, epmp is roughly 87mb capacity, 450 93mb
capacity

is this correct?

are efficiencies batter on 450 if installation is the same?
ie, if I forlifted one AP with 17 epmps to 450, where would my
gains be assuming everything stays installed in the same spot.
Its not like the FCC gives 450 any more power than epmp, so
path loss should be the same.

Im looking at this epmp 1000 sector thats running overall
about 64-7% efficient with 17 subscribers and wondering what
the gain is to move to 450 (exclude medusa, as its not field
proven)

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Re: [AFMUG] epmp vs 450 comparison

[Brian Sullivan]

You say "64-7% efficient".  So you're seeing traffic hit ~55M at peak?

If so, I wouldn't expect to see much more with PMP450.


On 1/4/2017 2:55 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

if im running 75/25, epmp is roughly 87mb capacity, 450 93mb capacity
is this correct?

are efficiencies batter on 450 if installation is the same? ie, if I 
forlifted one AP with 17 epmps to 450, where would my gains be 
assuming everything stays installed in the same spot. Its not like the 
FCC gives 450 any more power than epmp, so path loss should be the same.
Im looking at this epmp 1000 sector thats running overall about 64-7% 
efficient with 17 subscribers and wondering what the gain is to move 
to 450 (exclude medusa, as its not field proven)


--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] CMM5 vs Packetflux

[Brian Sullivan]

"Brand X" works too, just tested ;-)

On 12/27/2016 7:54 PM, George Skorup wrote:

The 450m needs 70 watts. I thought the PTP650 brick is only 60W?

If it was me, I'd just use a PacketFlux GigE PowerInjector+Sync. Or 
even just a GIGE-POE-APC card and a 48V 100W power supply for a 
one-off 450m.


On 12/27/2016 7:47 PM, Andreas Wiatowski wrote:

I don't know Gino...I'm not willing to Gamble with my 450m ;.)

Cheers,

Andreas Wiatowski, CEO
Silo Wireless Inc.
1-866-727-4238 x-600
http://www.silowireless.com
Wireless | Fibre | VoIP | PBX | IPTV

On Dec 27, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Gino Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com 
<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:



Is this the same as the ptp600 ? I guess no�

On 12/27/16, 2:04 PM, "Af on behalf of Tushar Patel" 
<af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>


*//*�

*/Gino Villarini/*

President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

on behalf of tpa...@ecpi.com <mailto:tpa...@ecpi.com>> wrote:

>That is what we are using for now.
>
>Tushar
>
>
>> On Dec 27, 2016, at 11:31 AM, Andreas Wiatowski
>><andr...@silowireless.com <mailto:andr...@silowireless.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Just got our 450m's
>>
>> Can I use a 650 (Heavy duty model) PS to power up the 450m?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> __
>> Andreas Wiatowski | CEO
>> Silo Wireless Inc.
>> Email� andr...@silowireless.com <mailto:andr...@silowireless.com>
>> 19 Sage Court
>> Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA)
>> Tel +1.519.449.5656� Extension-600|Fax +1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free
>>+1.866.727.4138
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brian Sullivan
>> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 10:58 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CMM5 vs Packetflux
>>
>> I found a "Brand X" POE adapter with an output of:
>> 54V - 1.5A (80W)��� + on (1,2) (4,5)� and - on (7,8) (3,6)
>>
>> Is this a sufficient POE?� Found them for $29.00
>>
>>> On 12/14/2016 11:07 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>>> You can power the medusa in any of several different ways The
>>> stock power supply, a PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync, some of Chuck's
>>> products, etc.
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 450i way to see if port is flapping?

[Brian Sullivan]

Statistics > Ethernet
In v15.x you now get to see the Link uptime.



On 12/26/2016 12:22 PM, Brandon Yuchasz wrote:


Here is the background. I have a 450i SM and the Ethernet run is 302 
feet from the barn to the house. Power supply is on the far end of the 
Ethernet at the barn side and the poe side of the run is probably 
another 50 feet. The other end of the 302 foot is in the customers 
house plugged into the router. This is the longest run we have ever 
done and I had some concerns but when I tested at the house side I had 
no problem with my laptop auto negotiating the speed at 100F. We left 
the site and later the customer called after installing a router. No 
internet. When I log into the SM I could see if flapping on the SM 
side. So we set it to 10F on the SM side and they get an internet 
connection.


Fast forward a few weeks and they call today to tell me how terrible 
the service is. Router needs to be reset and then they get internet 
for a while. Its slow, wont stream amazon, so on. No one was at the 
house during the call to troubleshoot however� always helpful.


Anyway with the SM set to 10F you can just log in and see it flap from 
link to no link. Is there some stats on the 450 platform that would 
show if this is happening?


Any thoughts are helpful�

Thanks,

Brandon

Re: [AFMUG] CMM5 vs Packetflux

[Brian Sullivan]

I found a "Brand X" POE adapter with an output of:
54V - 1.5A (80W)+ on (1,2) (4,5)  and - on (7,8) (3,6)

Is this a sufficient POE?  Found them for $29.00

On 12/14/2016 11:07 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
You can power the medusa in any of several different ways The 
stock power supply, a PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync, some of Chuck's 
products, etc.

Re: [AFMUG] Customer router impact on 5G 450 connection

[Brian Sullivan]

Does anyone know what frequencies DirecTV, and DISH use for wireless 
receivers?  Any way to adjust them if needed?


On 11/16/2016 5:14 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Unless you have a device that is acting as its own AP, like Direct TV 
Wireless Video Bridge, or some wireless printers.

Re: [AFMUG] AT and BGP

[Brian Sullivan]

Can you share the phone number you used to get that service?  I have 
never heard of such experiences with AT


On 11/11/2016 5:27 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:


Can't add anything to BGP questions but recent experience with them 
has been fruitful on camera projects... One phone call and twenty 
minutes later issues solved in three cases at different commercial 
customer sites I was surprised and impressed.



On Nov 11, 2016 2:40 PM, "Matt" > wrote:


Anyone out there doing a BGP connection to AT with a private ASN?
Any gotchas etc?

Re: [AFMUG] Something new

[Brian Sullivan]

+1  If the price is right, I have a couple places for these.
Would like to see mounting configurations.

On 8/22/2016 9:20 AM, Ty Featherling wrote:
Very cool. I have looked into mag mounts before but they get expensive 
fast.




-Ty

On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 9:04 PM, David Milholen > wrote:


We have used something similar for 12yrs on top of a water tank
that supports our pipe mounts

that hold a MTOW-3P with one 450AP center and 2 outer fsk900
integrated panels. The center had a 900fsk but

we removed it to insert the new 450iAP 900 panel. There are 4 of
those pipe mounts on that tank and the other

2 mounts hold a MTOW-3P with 2 pmp450 3.65 AP panels

One of our climbers actually tested the pipes to see if they were
still holding strong so he supported himself from the mount while
staying tied

off to the center mast on the tank.

We also made a single pole mast with 2 of the smaller magnets that
would mount to red iron or most flat metal surface.

We used it for holding the motorola WLAN CAN which weighed about
65lbs after being mounted and our tech was able to stand on top of
the mount

without it moving.

Those crazy Magnets LOL



On 8/19/2016 6:25 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com  wrote:

https://youtu.be/s32uO9zQgEI
Sorry about the lousy audio.� This shows testing of a prototype
mag mount accessory to our tower mounts.
I think I can improve on this but it starts to cut loose at about
100-120 lbs of force.� So I would not rate it over 50 lbs.
If there were 4 of these on one of our P mounts you could
probably safely mount a 100-200 lb antenna on it.�


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Re: [AFMUG] Netflix Speed Test

[Brian Sullivan]

I just did a test and saw 150 Mbps

On 8/10/2016 12:50 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
fast.com is from a netflix CDN server if I recall correctly.  I guess 
they don't plan on anybody streaming 1000mbps.


-- Original Message --
From: "Sterling Jacobson" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 8/10/2016 1:43:00 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netflix Speed Test


Interesting.

On fast.com I only get 100Mbps so maybe it's capped.

Speedtest.net I get over 1000Mbps.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 7:41 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Netflix Speed Test

Hey... not sure if everyone saw this... Netflix just released their 
own speed test system. It has a web interface, but they also released 
apps for IOS and Android. They claim it runs on "the same servers" as 
the actual content, so it provides more accurate results.


http://www.phonearena.com/news/Netflixs-Fast-Speed-Test-service-gets-native-iOS-and-Android-apps_id84033 



Travis

Re: [AFMUG] US Internet Speeds Improve But The Country Ranks Only 20thIn The World

[Brian Sullivan]

Reminds me of my grandma when she was diagnosed with lung cancer. She 
refused to wait for anything.  She habitually cut in lines and bitched 
about being on hold.  "I don't have much time left, I can't be bothered 
to wait in lines".  What really made her mad was when her Apple password 
had to be changed and  needed to have a capital letter and number.  
Those extra keystrokes were a real drag.


On 8/8/2016 9:39 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I you have to wait more than 5 seconds on a download, you obviously 
need the next higher speed package.

*From:* David Milholen 
*Sent:* Monday, August 08, 2016 6:22 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] US Internet Speeds Improve But The Country 
Ranks Only 20thIn The World


BOOYAAA!

+1 on that


On 8/7/2016 9:35 PM, Travis Johnson wrote:
EXACTLY.  Everyone freaks out when Google fiber comes to their 
town... I want to know what people are doing with a 1Gbps fiber 
connection that is going to save the world. Or create new jobs. Or 
make life easier for people.


It's all marketing BS that the general public buys into, every - 
single - time. I would bet that 99% of the population doesn't need 
more than a 5Mbps or 10Mbps connection, at most.


Travis


On 8/7/2016 7:58 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
I think we should compare amperage of average electrical services 
and diameter of municipal water pipes.  Oh yeah, don't forget to 
compare how many cable TV channels are available in each 
countrywe don't want to fall behind on any of these important 
demographics.
100 meg cable is available in my town, so people could raise the 
average speed test result by simply buying more speed.  Generally if 
we offer multiple packages, then the overwhelming majority of people 
buy the cheapest one; so maybe the US is really above average at 
being cheap.  We should focus on what we're good at and stop envying 
our neighbors' phalli mbps.


The social and economic advantages of having internet service are 
realized with 1 or 2 mbps. After that it's all entertainment, so why 
do we stress over it?


-- Original Message --
From: "Ken Hohhof" >
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 8/7/2016 7:51:27 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] US Internet Speeds Improve But The Country 
Ranks Only 20thIn The World

http://www.mandatory.com/2015/02/26/which-country-has-the-biggest-dicks-in-the-world/
*From:* Jaime Solorza 
*Sent:* Sunday, August 07, 2016 6:18 PM
*To:* Animal Farm 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] US Internet Speeds Improve But The Country Ranks 
Only 20thIn The World


http://hothardware.com/news/us-internet-speeds-improve-but-the-country-ranks-only-20th-in-the-world





--

Re: [AFMUG] Two Foot 5ghz DP Dishes

[Brian Sullivan]

If you dont mind dual slant, the UBNT airFiber "X" antennas are nice.
https://www.ubnt.com/airfiber/airfiberx-antenna/

On 8/4/2016 1:45 PM, Philip Rankin wrote:

Josh, Are the 2 - 2 foot 5ghz dishes you have for sale?

On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 9:18 AM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:


I have two in the office, never deployed any.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Aug 4, 2016 10:14 AM, "Matt" > wrote:

Anyone out there using the Hana Wireless 2 foot 5ghz dishes? 
ARC ones

are back ordered and looking for alternatives. Really like the
radio
mount on the ARC dishes though the dishes dent rather easily.




--
Philip J. Rankin
Wireless Telecommunications Services
PO Box 24
Pittsburg, KS  66762

Re: [AFMUG] CMM2 sync output to CMM Micro

[Brian Sullivan]

As-in a standard Cable TV coax splitter?  3.5dB loss per port? Could you 
point me to a part #?


On 8/2/2016 2:32 PM, Eric Muehleisen wrote:
Doesn't answer your question, but we recently used a coax splitter to 
sync two CTM'2 together with one GPS antenna. Worked like a champ.


On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 2:12 PM, Brian Sullivan 
<installe...@foxvalley.net <mailto:installe...@foxvalley.net>> wrote:


We have an old CMM2 at a site and want to add a CMM Micro to the
mix to add AP's.
Instead of using a second GPS antenna, can I use one of the old
CMM2's sync ports to output sync to a CMM Micro (set to slave
mode) via the AUX port?

[AFMUG] CMM2 sync output to CMM Micro

[Brian Sullivan]

We have an old CMM2 at a site and want to add a CMM Micro to the mix to 
add AP's.
Instead of using a second GPS antenna, can I use one of the old CMM2's 
sync ports to output sync to a CMM Micro (set to slave mode) via the AUX 
port?

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Brian Sullivan]

What are the other attachment setups for licensed radios?  I only have 
experience with the Dragonwave flavor.

I have heard mention of an adapter to convert DWave to Cambium 820.

On 6/7/2016 8:18 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
It would be nice to have one that fit Andrew / Commscope more directly 
though, as opposed to the dragonwave adapter.


On Tuesday, June 7, 2016, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com 
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:


Sure can.  I would recommend SMA connectors though I think.
What does the radio have on it?
*From:* Brian Sullivan
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','installe...@foxvalley.net');>
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:14 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
So I assume there is no adapter available based on the crickets
i've heard from a few places.

Paging Chuck McCown-  If we wanted 20 or 30 of these could you
make up a batch?  I assume there would be others who would end up
wanting them too.

On 6/7/2016 11:47 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:

If the dish's feed waveguide is cylindrical, yes you can use dual
polarity with it. The question is having the right adapter, which
it sounds like Chuck will build.
On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Brian Sullivan
<installe...@foxvalley.net
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','installe...@foxvalley.net');>> wrote:

UBNT is about to release their 11 Ghz radios to the market. 
I imagine some operators like us may want to upgrade existing

11 GHz links to the UBNT radio to gain more capacity.
Our licensed links are Dragonwave Horizon Compact and we use
the Andrew VHLP2-11-DW1 in the majority of links.  Is there
an adapter that will convert these dishes to N connections? 
These dishes also allow us to rotate the radio to take

advantage of Horizontal or Vertical polarities as our license
dictates.  Can they be run in dual polarity?  Ideally, the
adapter would have 2 N connections, one for H + V.  Here is a
photo of the Dragonwave interface.

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Brian Sullivan]

If you are right, it sounds like McCownTech to the rescue!

On 6/7/2016 6:15 PM, George Skorup wrote:
They could just spin a new/another hardware revision that will fit 
right onto a Remec circular interface... that we already have a bunch 
of in the field. My guess is, that's not going to happen.


On 6/7/2016 5:31 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
This product seems to me like a defensive product against Mimosa, 
also they had the spring WISPA show and needed something to announce 
other than the AF4x.  Is it shipping yet, does it even have a firm 
ship date?  There doesn’t even seem to be brochureware on the website 
yet.
I assume that was you that asked the same question on the UBNT 
Forum.  Their answer about working on an adapter for the Jirous dish 
and if they sent you a sample maybe you could check if it fits the 
Dragonwave dishes, that seems pretty naïve.  Also seems to confirm 
this is playing defense against Mimosa.  And they seem to be thinking 
“disruptive” pricing to drive high volumes, probably not thinking 
much about retrofits.

*From:* Brian Sullivan <mailto:installe...@foxvalley.net>
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 5:05 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
I know they like white, but why then make it a connectorized radio?
That is one of the great things about the 5x, 4x, 3x + 2x, 
Bring-Your-Own(or old)-Dish.

How many licensed links in use will need more bandwidth?
We just happened to have Dragonwave, who sells the most licensed links?
I would think a connectorized adapter for the most popular antennas 
may be worth selling.



On 6/7/2016 4:13 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Ubiquiti doesn’t seem to like having an “ecosystem”.  Maybe that’s 
an Apple thing that rubbed off on Robert.  Along with an affinity 
for the color white.

*From:* Chuck McCown <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 3:59 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
The history suggests, anything I might make, that actually makes 
money, they eventually will incorporate in some fashion.

*From:* Brian Sullivan <mailto:installe...@foxvalley.net>
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:39 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
Maybe UBNT would like adapters designed for an array of licensed 
dishes?   This would help get the radios out to the masses faster.

:-)
Paging Chuck Macenski + Gary Schulz

On 6/7/2016 3:27 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Sure can.  I would recommend SMA connectors though I think.
What does the radio have on it?
*From:* Brian Sullivan <mailto:installe...@foxvalley.net>
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:14 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
So I assume there is no adapter available based on the crickets 
i've heard from a few places.


Paging Chuck McCown-  If we wanted 20 or 30 of these could you make 
up a batch?  I assume there would be others who would end up 
wanting them too.


On 6/7/2016 11:47 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
If the dish's feed waveguide is cylindrical, yes you can use dual 
polarity with it. The question is having the right adapter, which 
it sounds like Chuck will build.
On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Brian Sullivan 
<installe...@foxvalley.net> wrote:


UBNT is about to release their 11 Ghz radios to the market. I
imagine some operators like us may want to upgrade existing 11
GHz links to the UBNT radio to gain more capacity.
Our licensed links are Dragonwave Horizon Compact and we use
the Andrew VHLP2-11-DW1 in the majority of links.  Is there an
adapter that will convert these dishes to N connections? 
These dishes also allow us to rotate the radio to take

advantage of Horizontal or Vertical polarities as our license
dictates.  Can they be run in dual polarity?  Ideally, the
adapter would have 2 N connections, one for H + V.  Here is a
photo of the Dragonwave interface.

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Brian Sullivan]

It certainly seems like a defensive maneuver.  Although we have been 
asking for since what, 2011? The radio isn't shipping yet and I believe 
they still have to certify with the FCC before they can put out a spec 
sheet.  One distributor I spoke to said August availability.
I did ask the same question on the forum, hoping to get somewhere with 
an adapter.  I think the UBNT employee that responded doesn't know all 
that much about it either and I agree, came off sounding a little 
strange.  Also strange he would tell us about Jirous, the first I have 
heard mention of it.

A pissing match between Mimosa and UBNT is good for WISPs.  :-)

On 6/7/2016 5:31 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
This product seems to me like a defensive product against Mimosa, also 
they had the spring WISPA show and needed something to announce other 
than the AF4x.  Is it shipping yet, does it even have a firm ship 
date?  There doesn’t even seem to be brochureware on the website yet.
I assume that was you that asked the same question on the UBNT Forum.  
Their answer about working on an adapter for the Jirous dish and if 
they sent you a sample maybe you could check if it fits the Dragonwave 
dishes, that seems pretty naïve.  Also seems to confirm this is 
playing defense against Mimosa.  And they seem to be thinking 
“disruptive” pricing to drive high volumes, probably not thinking much 
about retrofits.

*From:* Brian Sullivan <mailto:installe...@foxvalley.net>
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 5:05 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
I know they like white, but why then make it a connectorized radio?
That is one of the great things about the 5x, 4x, 3x + 2x, 
Bring-Your-Own(or old)-Dish.

How many licensed links in use will need more bandwidth?
We just happened to have Dragonwave, who sells the most licensed links?
I would think a connectorized adapter for the most popular antennas 
may be worth selling.



On 6/7/2016 4:13 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Ubiquiti doesn’t seem to like having an “ecosystem”.  Maybe that’s an 
Apple thing that rubbed off on Robert.  Along with an affinity for 
the color white.

*From:* Chuck McCown <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 3:59 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
The history suggests, anything I might make, that actually makes 
money, they eventually will incorporate in some fashion.

*From:* Brian Sullivan <mailto:installe...@foxvalley.net>
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:39 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
Maybe UBNT would like adapters designed for an array of licensed 
dishes?   This would help get the radios out to the masses faster.

:-)
Paging Chuck Macenski + Gary Schulz

On 6/7/2016 3:27 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Sure can.  I would recommend SMA connectors though I think.
What does the radio have on it?
*From:* Brian Sullivan <mailto:installe...@foxvalley.net>
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:14 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
So I assume there is no adapter available based on the crickets i've 
heard from a few places.


Paging Chuck McCown-  If we wanted 20 or 30 of these could you make 
up a batch?  I assume there would be others who would end up wanting 
them too.


On 6/7/2016 11:47 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
If the dish's feed waveguide is cylindrical, yes you can use dual 
polarity with it. The question is having the right adapter, which 
it sounds like Chuck will build.
On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Brian Sullivan 
<installe...@foxvalley.net> wrote:


UBNT is about to release their 11 Ghz radios to the market.  I
imagine some operators like us may want to upgrade existing 11
GHz links to the UBNT radio to gain more capacity.
Our licensed links are Dragonwave Horizon Compact and we use
the Andrew VHLP2-11-DW1 in the majority of links.  Is there an
adapter that will convert these dishes to N connections?  These
dishes also allow us to rotate the radio to take advantage of
Horizontal or Vertical polarities as our license dictates.  Can
they be run in dual polarity?  Ideally, the adapter would have
2 N connections, one for H + V. Here is a photo of the
Dragonwave interface.

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Brian Sullivan]

I know they like white, but why then make it a connectorized radio?
That is one of the great things about the 5x, 4x, 3x + 2x, 
Bring-Your-Own(or old)-Dish.

How many licensed links in use will need more bandwidth?
We just happened to have Dragonwave, who sells the most licensed links?
I would think a connectorized adapter for the most popular antennas may 
be worth selling.



On 6/7/2016 4:13 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Ubiquiti doesn’t seem to like having an “ecosystem”. Maybe that’s an 
Apple thing that rubbed off on Robert. Along with an affinity for the 
color white.

*From:* Chuck McCown <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 3:59 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
The history suggests, anything I might make, that actually makes 
money, they eventually will incorporate in some fashion.

*From:* Brian Sullivan <mailto:installe...@foxvalley.net>
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:39 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
Maybe UBNT would like adapters designed for an array of licensed 
dishes?   This would help get the radios out to the masses faster.

:-)
Paging Chuck Macenski + Gary Schulz

On 6/7/2016 3:27 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Sure can.  I would recommend SMA connectors though I think.
What does the radio have on it?
*From:* Brian Sullivan <mailto:installe...@foxvalley.net>
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:14 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
So I assume there is no adapter available based on the crickets i've 
heard from a few places.


Paging Chuck McCown-  If we wanted 20 or 30 of these could you make 
up a batch?  I assume there would be others who would end up wanting 
them too.


On 6/7/2016 11:47 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
If the dish's feed waveguide is cylindrical, yes you can use dual 
polarity with it. The question is having the right adapter, which it 
sounds like Chuck will build.
On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Brian Sullivan 
<installe...@foxvalley.net> wrote:


UBNT is about to release their 11 Ghz radios to the market.  I
imagine some operators like us may want to upgrade existing 11
GHz links to the UBNT radio to gain more capacity.
Our licensed links are Dragonwave Horizon Compact and we use the
Andrew VHLP2-11-DW1 in the majority of links.  Is there an
adapter that will convert these dishes to N connections?  These
dishes also allow us to rotate the radio to take advantage of
Horizontal or Vertical polarities as our license dictates. Can
they be run in dual polarity? Ideally, the adapter would have 2
N connections, one for H + V.  Here is a photo of the Dragonwave
interface.

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Brian Sullivan]

Maybe UBNT would like adapters designed for an array of licensed dishes? 
  This would help get the radios out to the masses faster.

:-)
Paging Chuck Macenski + Gary Schulz

On 6/7/2016 3:27 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Sure can.  I would recommend SMA connectors though I think.
What does the radio have on it?
*From:* Brian Sullivan <mailto:installe...@foxvalley.net>
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:14 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
So I assume there is no adapter available based on the crickets i've 
heard from a few places.


Paging Chuck McCown-  If we wanted 20 or 30 of these could you make up 
a batch?  I assume there would be others who would end up wanting them 
too.


On 6/7/2016 11:47 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
If the dish's feed waveguide is cylindrical, yes you can use dual 
polarity with it. The question is having the right adapter, which it 
sounds like Chuck will build.
On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Brian Sullivan 
<installe...@foxvalley.net <mailto:installe...@foxvalley.net>> wrote:


UBNT is about to release their 11 Ghz radios to the market.  I
imagine some operators like us may want to upgrade existing 11
GHz links to the UBNT radio to gain more capacity.
Our licensed links are Dragonwave Horizon Compact and we use the
Andrew VHLP2-11-DW1 in the majority of links.  Is there an
adapter that will convert these dishes to N connections?  These
dishes also allow us to rotate the radio to take advantage of
Horizontal or Vertical polarities as our license dictates.  Can
they be run in dual polarity? Ideally, the adapter would have 2 N
connections, one for H + V.  Here is a photo of the Dragonwave
interface.

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Brian Sullivan]

The 11X is coming with N connectors from what I have seen.  So we could 
use some LMR200 N-to-SMA adapter cables.  If this is a start from 
scratch thing, I would suggest a way to have the connectors covered up 
and out of the rain - maybe with a screw on door?  I dislike 
weatherproofing RF cables.


On 6/7/2016 3:27 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Sure can.  I would recommend SMA connectors though I think.
What does the radio have on it?
*From:* Brian Sullivan <mailto:installe...@foxvalley.net>
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:14 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
So I assume there is no adapter available based on the crickets i've 
heard from a few places.


Paging Chuck McCown-  If we wanted 20 or 30 of these could you make up 
a batch?  I assume there would be others who would end up wanting them 
too.


On 6/7/2016 11:47 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
If the dish's feed waveguide is cylindrical, yes you can use dual 
polarity with it. The question is having the right adapter, which it 
sounds like Chuck will build.
On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Brian Sullivan 
<installe...@foxvalley.net <mailto:installe...@foxvalley.net>> wrote:


UBNT is about to release their 11 Ghz radios to the market.  I
imagine some operators like us may want to upgrade existing 11
GHz links to the UBNT radio to gain more capacity.
Our licensed links are Dragonwave Horizon Compact and we use the
Andrew VHLP2-11-DW1 in the majority of links.  Is there an
adapter that will convert these dishes to N connections?  These
dishes also allow us to rotate the radio to take advantage of
Horizontal or Vertical polarities as our license dictates.  Can
they be run in dual polarity? Ideally, the adapter would have 2 N
connections, one for H + V.  Here is a photo of the Dragonwave
interface.

Re: [AFMUG] OT TIVO Roamio

[Brian Sullivan]

What about the http://www.realchoice.tv/mdu/ you spoke about last year?

On 6/6/2016 3:49 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Trying to figure out how best to add some channels in the lowest cost 
method as possible.

Showtime is on Hulu which is on TIVO.
Not sure about AMC yet.
Discovery seems to be the most difficult.  There is a Discovery GO 
product but I think I have to use a ROKU for that.
I made a spreadsheet of my favorite shows, their premier dates and the 
networks.  I have a few months to find the following:

TLC, CNBC, AMC,  Showtime,  Discovery
I found a bootleg discovery running on a server in India.
From: Hardy, Tim
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 2:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TIVO Roamio
As I mentioned the other day the Roamio OTA with 500 gb hard drive is 
$399 on the website, including lifetime service for the device.

TiVo Roamio™ OTA 1TB DVR - No Subscription Fees. Only $399‎
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 4:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TIVO Roamio
Website looks like $499 model plus 14.99/mo?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jun 6, 2016 4:21 PM, "Travis Johnson"  wrote:
If you buy the $399 model, they have basically bundled the monthly 
subscription into the price. Or you can buy the $150 version and pay 
$12/month.

Travis
On 6/6/2016 2:09 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
How is it you're getting around the monthly subscription?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 3:40 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
Sound and image is better than on a Roku.  Best picture I think I have 
ever seen on any device.

Re: [AFMUG] Sync Converter to sync 450i ?

[Brian Sullivan]

Thank you, Forrest.

On 5/20/2016 4:25 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
The 450i has unique electrical needs on the timing port.  As a result, 
pretty much anything other than the Rev I0 syncbox 12's won't work 
with it.


There are some other alternatives for the 450i coming, but they'll all 
have their own GPS receiver.


-forrest

On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 1:27 PM, Brian Sullivan 
<installe...@foxvalley.net <mailto:installe...@foxvalley.net>> wrote:


Would it be possible to use a PacketFlux sync converter to sync a
450i AP?
The sync converter draws sync off of a sync'd power port and
breaks it off to 6-pin timing sync.  This is a helpful product for
when AP's suddenly stop accepting Sync-over-Power.
I'm wondering if it could be a dirty way to provide sync to 450i
AP's without needing proper sync over 48vdc power.




--
*Forrest Christian* /CEO//, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc./
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com <mailto:forre...@imach.com> | 
http://www.packetflux.com <http://www.packetflux.com/>
<http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian> 
<http://facebook.com/packetflux> <http://twitter.com/@packetflux>

[AFMUG] Sync Converter to sync 450i ?

[Brian Sullivan]

Would it be possible to use a PacketFlux sync converter to sync a 450i AP?
The sync converter draws sync off of a sync'd power port and breaks it 
off to 6-pin timing sync.  This is a helpful product for when AP's 
suddenly stop accepting Sync-over-Power.
I'm wondering if it could be a dirty way to provide sync to 450i AP's 
without needing proper sync over 48vdc power.

Re: [AFMUG] 5 years ago today.....

[Brian Sullivan]

My favorite is when they NAIL the mount back onto the roof (out of 
alignment).  Or when they re-hang the surge suppressor upside down.


On 4/27/2016 12:42 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Then weeks and months after the storms, people have roofers and siding 
contractors come out to do repairs, and:
90% of the time they call AFTER the roofers have moved or damaged our 
equipment
10% of the time they call when the roofers show up and want us to come 
out right now this minute, remove the dish, wait around while the put 
new shingles under it, then remount and align it, so they don�t go a 
day without Internet

*From:* George Skorup 
*Sent:* Wednesday, April 27, 2016 12:30 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5 years ago today.
We had a very mild winter and a very early spring. I hope it's not 
like last year all over again. You guys keep all that tornado shit 
down there. I will have no more of it.


On 4/27/2016 10:37 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

So I guess the forecast last week was accurate?
�
*From:* CBB - Jay Fuller 
*Sent:* Wednesday, April 27, 2016 9:25 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] 5 years ago today.
�
�
This is what was happening in my home town..
�
http://abc3340.com/news/videos/april-27-2011-tornado-touches-down-in-cullman
�
What many people do not know is we had massive straight line winds 
early that morning (in addition to other tornadoes) and many parts of 
our state were without power during that huge outbreak.� After the 
outbreak, we didn't have power for nearly a week.

�
Watched some of the early morning coverage recently posted on youtube 
late last night - the last hour or so (really two hours) as the 
on-air guys were starting to get some damage reports in - - their 
tone really changed

�
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElZZNvNdhks
�
Here is the infamous coverage of the event as it happened...
�
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmI9__WLR7Q
�
I was actually out checking on a tower that had been without power 
since that morning as this thing spun up - i almost
drove right into it.�� There is a picture of the sky from about 
30 minutes before (while i was at that tower) hanging in
our conference room.�� My dad's office shows several damage 
photos from that day.

�
Lots of coverage on youtube - - our state is buzzing about this 
todayand really this week

�
�
�
�
�
�

Re: [AFMUG] Battery pack and wifi

[Brian Sullivan]

Very nice work!  Try getting that on an airplane.  LOL


On 4/25/2016 10:42 AM, Joshaven Mailing Lists wrote:
Dude… I was screwing around with making the same thing…  I have all 
the parts together including the charge controller & power inverter 
circuit.  I’m about to field test it.


I was planning to write up a how to make your own using crap from 
Amazon and toss it on my website but I haven’t gotten around to 
finishing this pet project yet...






Sincerely,
Joshaven Potter
Google Hangouts: j...@g2wireless.co 
Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370
supp...@joshaven.com 



On Apr 21, 2016, at 9:54 AM, Brandon Yuchasz > wrote:


Anyone using these or have another US based version?
http://www.gevaelettronica.it/shop/index.php?id_product=1=product_lang=2
I am looking for something the installers can tune Epmp with using 
tablets or phones.  Not sure how I would deal with different IP 
structures based on the tower they are installing on but I bet you 
guys have ideas on that as well.

Best regards,
Brandon Yuchasz
GogebicRange.net 
www.gogebicrange.net 

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Support

[Brian Sullivan]

You should get an e-mail with a subject like this: "Cambium New Case 
Customer Notification"


On 4/21/2016 10:56 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
When you open a ticket at the Cambium support site, are you supposed 
to get an email confirmation of the ticket?  I've tried opening 
tickets for EPMP GPS issues (probably the same one everyone else has), 
but haven't heard anything back, and I'm not sure if my tickets are 
really going through.


Nate

Re: [AFMUG] Battery pack and wifi

[Brian Sullivan]

I guess I would be concerned by impacting the SNR on the CPE while 
trying to qualify the signal.  If your WiFi pack is interfering with the 
CPE, wouldn't you get a false throughput test while standing next to it?


On 4/21/2016 10:15 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Sure, but you're just aligning signal.  The signal to the phone should 
be strong enough that you can get the align tool to load and the 
signal to the CPE should be strong enough that it can associate.  It's 
never been an issue for us.



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 11:12 AM, Brian Sullivan 
<installe...@foxvalley.net <mailto:installe...@foxvalley.net>> wrote:


What if the CPE is 2.4 GHz and your hotspot/battery rig is using
the same frequency?  Wont there be a SNR impact?

On 4/21/2016 10:09 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:


+1

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Apr 21, 2016 11:08 AM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com
<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:

Oh my god that sounds convoluted. Also assumes there's a
working hotspot :P

On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 9:15 AM, Nate Burke
<n...@blastcomm.com <mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:
> Can you just have them RDP into a server at the NOC over a
hotspot and then
> just have them access the radio from that server over your
network?  No
> Special Network config on the remote device then.  You can
just use the
> power from the FSK Radio, and confirm that there's an
Ethernet link to the
> customer.
>
> This is how I've been aligning a majority of the radios
I've been putting
> up.  No Special config needed at the device plugging in,
and get's around
> the whole 'EPMP Supercomputer Access' Problem.  Since the
server will have
> enough spare CPU Cycles to spend rendering the pages.
>
> On 4/21/2016 9:08 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> Oh whoops I saw without.
>
> We NAT radios so we use the lan port IP. You might want to
use 169.254.1.1
> if you're bridging.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 
> Direct: 937-552-2343 
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Apr 21, 2016 10:03 AM, "Brandon Yuchasz"
<li...@gogebicrange.net <mailto:li...@gogebicrange.net>> wrote:
>>
>> Yep that’s the plan. Send the guys out with a bunch of
Epmp on the truck
>> already programmed to swap out FSK. Have them use a phone
or tablet to tune
>> them and role to the next.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Brandon Yuchasz
>>
>> GogebicRange.net
>>
>> www.gogebicrange.net <http://www.gogebicrange.net>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2016 8:57 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Battery pack and wifi
>>
>>
>>
>> You'd need a phone or tablet with that...
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Apr 21, 2016 9:54 AM, "Brandon Yuchasz"
<li...@gogebicrange.net <mailto:li...@gogebicrange.net>> wrote:
>>
>> Anyone using these or have another US based version?
>>
>>
>>

http://www.gevaelettronica.it/shop/index.php?id_product=1=product_lang=2
>>
>>
>>
>> I am looking for something the installers can tune Epmp
with using tablets
>> or phones.  Not sure how I would deal with different IP
structures based on
>> the tower they are installing on but I bet you guys have
ideas on that as
>> well.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Brandon Yuchasz
>>
>> GogebicRange.net
>>
>> www.gogebicrange.net <http://www.gogebicrange.net>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Battery pack and wifi

[Brian Sullivan]

What if the CPE is 2.4 GHz and your hotspot/battery rig is using the 
same frequency?  Wont there be a SNR impact?


On 4/21/2016 10:09 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:


+1

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Apr 21, 2016 11:08 AM, "Josh Reynolds" > wrote:


Oh my god that sounds convoluted. Also assumes there's a working
hotspot :P

On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 9:15 AM, Nate Burke > wrote:
> Can you just have them RDP into a server at the NOC over a
hotspot and then
> just have them access the radio from that server over your
network?  No
> Special Network config on the remote device then.  You can just
use the
> power from the FSK Radio, and confirm that there's an Ethernet
link to the
> customer.
>
> This is how I've been aligning a majority of the radios I've
been putting
> up.  No Special config needed at the device plugging in, and
get's around
> the whole 'EPMP Supercomputer Access' Problem.  Since the server
will have
> enough spare CPU Cycles to spend rendering the pages.
>
> On 4/21/2016 9:08 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> Oh whoops I saw without.
>
> We NAT radios so we use the lan port IP.  You might want to use
169.254.1.1
> if you're bridging.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 
> Direct: 937-552-2343 
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Apr 21, 2016 10:03 AM, "Brandon Yuchasz"
> wrote:
>>
>> Yep that’s the plan. Send the guys out with a bunch of Epmp on
the truck
>> already programmed to swap out FSK. Have them use a phone or
tablet to tune
>> them and role to the next.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Brandon Yuchasz
>>
>> GogebicRange.net
>>
>> www.gogebicrange.net 
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2016 8:57 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Battery pack and wifi
>>
>>
>>
>> You'd need a phone or tablet with that...
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Apr 21, 2016 9:54 AM, "Brandon Yuchasz"
> wrote:
>>
>> Anyone using these or have another US based version?
>>
>>
>>

http://www.gevaelettronica.it/shop/index.php?id_product=1=product_lang=2
>>
>>
>>
>> I am looking for something the installers can tune Epmp with
using tablets
>> or phones.  Not sure how I would deal with different IP
structures based on
>> the tower they are installing on but I bet you guys have ideas
on that as
>> well.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Brandon Yuchasz
>>
>> GogebicRange.net
>>
>> www.gogebicrange.net 
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] High Priority Uplink / Downlink

[Brian Sullivan]

We feel your pain about T1.  Around here we draw straws to see who gets 
to submit the next ticket.
We should just have Matt, Aaron and Sri's cell phone numbers on speed 
dial.  :-)


On 4/20/2016 3:38 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
btwI'm not saying you're wrong about the burst settings affecting 
QoS.  I have not tested that on the 450.
If you can put your documentation of the odd behavior on the forum or 
on this list then maybe others can confirm it.  That's basically how 
the "8th packet is 8 packets delayed" bug came to see the light of day.



On 4/20/2016 4:34 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
You have support AND a manual. That already puts you ahead of the 
competition.
I can think of other companies to try if you want to experience a 
nightmare.


On 4/20/2016 3:59 PM, Timothy Alexander wrote:
I've never opened a ticket with Cambium about it since, to be 
honest, dealing with the T1 support is a nightmare and I don't feel 
like wasting hours being quoted a manual page when the test date 
proves otherwise. 

Re: [AFMUG] High Priority Uplink / Downlink

[Brian Sullivan]

Timothy, The Sustained rate is is in kbps and the allocation is in 
kbits.  Could you give me an example or screenshot of your QOS (Session 
Status > Configuration) settings so I can better understand?


Also on George's response, "The scheduler will still prioritize HP 
traffic if you leave it at 0/0. The same applies if you're putting more 
traffic into it than you have configured.  All HP traffic goes before LP 
CIR and MIR anyway. I think Matt or Aaron explained it roughly this way 
before. "


That sounds like a bug in the QOS scheme, do you know where it was 
explained like this?

Or could Matt or Aaron @ Cambium please elaborate?

On 4/19/2016 2:44 PM, Brian Sullivan wrote:
must set the Sustained Uplink/Downlink Data Rate and the 
Uplink/Downlink Burst Allocation to be the same

Re: [AFMUG] High Priority Uplink / Downlink

[Brian Sullivan]

"make sure inbound ethernet traffic to the SM is tagged correctly so 
that voip, and only voip, ends up in the high priority channel."


What other applications are tagging packets with HP?  Voice chat on 
gaming systems?


On 4/19/2016 1:52 PM, Timothy Alexander wrote:
We use 100 kbits per call session of G711U. We took a while to get a 
good working config on junos to make sure only voip traffic comes in 
to the SM tagged for high priority. The SM only goes by the Priority 
Precedence selection to check either 802.1p or DSCP to determine 
transmit channel and you need to make sure inbound ethernet traffic to 
the SM is tagged correctly so that voip, and only voip, ends up in the 
high priority channel.


We also ran into issues with burst allocation and burst rates. In 
order for the high priority channel to work correctly on 450 platform 
we found you must set the Sustained Uplink/Downlink Data Rate and the 
Uplink/Downlink Burst Allocation to be the same (customer regular 
bandwidth + high priority bandwidth) and the Max Burst Uplink/Downlink 
Rates to double the Total Sustained Uplink/Downlink. We confirmed in 
extensive testing that if we simply enable a high priority channel on 
a normal customer, when the user maxes his upload or download we see 
packet loss on the high priority channel even when the upload/download 
is all low priority traffic and the high priority channel is not being 
100% used.


Why is this? We're not sure but our network engineers did pretty 
extensive testing and we consistently saw packet loss when configured 
with a high priority channel and a "normal" customer deployment of 
Sustained Down 4 Mbit / Sustained Up 1 Mbit, Downlink Burst Allocation 
12 and max burst downlink of 1.


Timothy Alexander
Amplex Internet
www.amplex.net
t...@amplex.net



From: Brian Sullivan<installe...@foxvalley.net>
To:"af@afmug.com"  <af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] High Priority Uplink / Downlink
What do other operators set for the High Priority Uplink / Downlink CIR

that works best for VOIP?

Re: [AFMUG] High Priority Uplink / Downlink

[Brian Sullivan]

Awesome response, Thank you George and Timothy.

On 4/19/2016 1:52 PM, Timothy Alexander wrote:
We use 100 kbits per call session of G711U. We took a while to get a 
good working config on junos to make sure only voip traffic comes in 
to the SM tagged for high priority. The SM only goes by the Priority 
Precedence selection to check either 802.1p or DSCP to determine 
transmit channel and you need to make sure inbound ethernet traffic to 
the SM is tagged correctly so that voip, and only voip, ends up in the 
high priority channel.


We also ran into issues with burst allocation and burst rates. In 
order for the high priority channel to work correctly on 450 platform 
we found you must set the Sustained Uplink/Downlink Data Rate and the 
Uplink/Downlink Burst Allocation to be the same (customer regular 
bandwidth + high priority bandwidth) and the Max Burst Uplink/Downlink 
Rates to double the Total Sustained Uplink/Downlink. We confirmed in 
extensive testing that if we simply enable a high priority channel on 
a normal customer, when the user maxes his upload or download we see 
packet loss on the high priority channel even when the upload/download 
is all low priority traffic and the high priority channel is not being 
100% used.


Why is this? We're not sure but our network engineers did pretty 
extensive testing and we consistently saw packet loss when configured 
with a high priority channel and a "normal" customer deployment of 
Sustained Down 4 Mbit / Sustained Up 1 Mbit, Downlink Burst Allocation 
12 and max burst downlink of 1.


Timothy Alexander
Amplex Internet
www.amplex.net
t...@amplex.net



From: Brian Sullivan<installe...@foxvalley.net>
To:"af@afmug.com"  <af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] High Priority Uplink / Downlink
What do other operators set for the High Priority Uplink / Downlink CIR

that works best for VOIP?

[AFMUG] High Priority Uplink / Downlink

[Brian Sullivan]

What do other operators set for the High Priority Uplink / Downlink CIR 
that works best for VOIP?

Re: [AFMUG] OT: What I deal with in customer service

[Brian Sullivan]

Problem solved for a few days!   Win.

On 4/18/2016 5:02 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
This is a call log from today, note this is a tier 1 customer, meaning 
theyre on something crummy like 900 and are maxed out at 3/1, this is 
our "up to" tier,



"Julie and her son are using Netflix at the same time and experiencing 
buffering. I advised a bigger capacity router due to multiple devices 
and high demand. I also advised a powercycle as radio/router; radio 
had been up 6 months. It showed "bad" but signal was still going okay. 
Quoted her some prices of the routers on hand. She said she would come 
over and get a new router soon."



Seriously, this is what the customers get told

--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Dummy switch

[Brian Sullivan]

One type we would see some packet loss and the other, our router 
reported CRC errors.  Remove switch and problem gone, but so are the 
other devices.

Traffic is below 200Mbps.

On 4/15/2016 1:35 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

Let's start with what isn't meeting expectations?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>


<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
----
*From: *"Brian Sullivan" <installe...@foxvalley.net>
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Friday, April 15, 2016 12:44:09 PM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] Dummy switch

Looking for the best 5-8 port dummy switch that wont break the bank. 
 < $100

Tried TP-Link and Trendnet with poor results.

[AFMUG] Dummy switch

[Brian Sullivan]

Looking for the best 5-8 port dummy switch that wont break the bank.  < $100
Tried TP-Link and Trendnet with poor results.

Re: [AFMUG] Small ePMP AP

[Brian Sullivan]

I guess I fell asleep at the ePMP wheel, why would they EOL these?

On 4/14/2016 5:30 PM, George Skorup wrote:
We bought a bunch of integrated 5GHz radios and keep them in a safe 
place for this very reason.


On 4/14/2016 5:28 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Does anyone have a suggestion for a small AP antenna?  Previously 
with Ubnt we would do an NSM5.  This would give us 45*.  The use case 
is just to service a few homes around the corner from the trees.


The original integrated radios are 30* but they're EOLed

Re: [AFMUG] OT: new M-TOW product

[Brian Sullivan]

Looks like local government work.  They sure are sold some nice stuff!

On 4/13/2016 12:00 PM, Chris Fabien wrote:

"But it didn't look so heavy in the catalog!"

On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 10:07 PM, Ty Featherling 
> wrote:


Forgot the photo... Hold on to your hats boys. You ain't seen
nothing like this!

-Ty

On Apr 12, 2016 9:05 PM, "Ty Featherling" > wrote:

Introducing the all new M-TOW-OVERKILL! Perfect for mounting
serious hardware like this 24" omni. Act now, this item will
fly off the shelves!

-Ty

Re: [AFMUG] 450M

[Brian Sullivan]

Just like FSK?

On 3/16/2016 7:40 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Backwards compatibility.
With existing 450

Re: [AFMUG] 14.1.2 Build 8 WAS The new 450 beta and TDWR

[Brian Sullivan]

We have it on two AP's running well.  The new build 7 and higher has 
fixed our Silent Watch Dog Reset issue thus far.


On 3/16/2016 2:02 PM, Sam Lambie wrote:

Has anyone deployed and tested 14.1.2  Build 8 yet? Thoughts?

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT new product

[Brian Sullivan]

Is it part of the airFiber line up?

On 3/17/2016 8:40 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Part 101 11 GHz radio.  $799/end  Type N connectors.
1.2 Gbps I think.  Dual pol.  I am thinking of making some adapters so 
you can connect these things to DR and Remec antennas.

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT new product

[Brian Sullivan]

Can't they force some sort of compliance with license keys you get after 
you prove your FCC application/coordination?


On 3/17/2016 10:10 AM, Nate Burke wrote:

11ghz links off Amazon Prime, I'm liking this!

On 3/17/2016 9:56 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
I do have to say though, we'll probably be buying a ton of these 
things... the problem of idiots buying them aside, they really do 
sound pretty awesome.


On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 9:52 AM, Mathew Howard > wrote:


haha

Yeah, unless they don't allow most of their resellers sell these
things, that isn't going to be happening.

On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 9:48 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm
 wrote:


hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
ahahaha

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha



VAR+UBNT+DECENCY

Im glad I want taking a drink when i read that

On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 9:46 AM, Adam Moffett
> wrote:

Hopefully the VAR's have the decency to ask the question:
"By the way, do you have the FCC license for this?"


On 3/17/2016 10:45 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:

That's a good point... hopefully, the price is still
high enough to keep a good percentage of the idiots
away, but between these and the B11, I suspect there
will be a lot more unlicensed 11ghz links going up than
there ever were before, unfortunately.

Fortunately for us, the majority of the idiots around
here would never spend $1600 on a link when they could
get a pair of AC 5ghz radios for a couple hundred...
since they wouldn't understand the difference anyway. I
can definitely see it being a big problem in a lot of
areas though.




On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 9:33 AM, Seth Mattinen
 wrote:

On 3/17/16 7:20 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

at least they can alter the licensing fees.
There goes the neighborhood



Get a license? Surely you jest. Every unlicensed and
unregistered 3.65 I've come across is a UBNT user.
Not that the NN license meant much, but still. Costs
mostly kept the average idiots at bay in part 101.







-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but

you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already
failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT new product

[Brian Sullivan]

Photos?

On 3/17/2016 8:52 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

N connectors for 11 GHz?!? Wha?
bp


On 3/17/2016 6:40 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Part 101 11 GHz radio.� $799/end� Type N connectors.�
1.2 Gbps I think.� Dual pol.� I am thinking of making some 
adapters so you can connect these things to DR and Remec antennas.�

Re: [AFMUG] 14.1.1?

[Brian Sullivan]

I heard there is a group of Cambium guys slaving away on this. Working 
late hours too!



On 2/23/2016 3:22 PM, Sam Lambie wrote:

Any word on the next beta version?

On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 11:00 PM, Sean Heskett > wrote:


Glad to hear Matt!

I'm really looking forward to a stable release of 14.x

-Sean


On Friday, February 12, 2016, Matt Mangriotis
> wrote:

Don’t worry Sean, MANY of these things are already fixed, the
last major one is the watchdog (and related to the stack
dump), which the team is hard at work on.

Once we get that next beta out, I would encourage you to try
it.  I will post to this list when it gets out there (hoping
next week).

Matt

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean
Heskett
*Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 2:29 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 14.1.1?

don't do it!

here's the issues I found and we have since downgraded to 13.2.1

memory stack dumps

false DFS hits

watchdog resets

"out of range" sm registration failures (even tho the SM is
clearly "in range")

the speed improvements of 14.1.1 are awesome!  i was getting
60x20 at my house where as on 13.2.1 i could only get ~
32x15.  But the stability of 14.1.1 is awful.

-Sean

On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 12:48 PM, Dan Petermann
 wrote:

What ever happened with this version and the 5.4 band?

Safe to upgrade or ???




--
--
*Sam Lambie*
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com 

Re: [AFMUG] CCTV over Canopy 100 series

[Brian Sullivan]

Digital camera.

On 2/17/2016 11:41 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:
Axis Cameras typically use about 5 mbps to stream in my experience. 
Even in H.264.


On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 10:37 AM, Jaime Solorza 
<losguyswirel...@gmail.com <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:


is camera analog or digital or hybrid?

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390 

On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 10:32 AM, Brian Sullivan
<installe...@foxvalley.net <mailto:installe...@foxvalley.net>> wrote:

We have a project coming up where we need a single ~3 Mbps UDP
stream sent wireless about 2000'.  Since we have a large
supply of FSK P9 + P10 AP's and SM's, is there any reason why
we shouldn't use them?
This is for a PTZ Axis camera.





--
--
*Sam Lambie*
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com>

[AFMUG] CCTV over Canopy 100 series

[Brian Sullivan]

We have a project coming up where we need a single ~3 Mbps UDP stream 
sent wireless about 2000'.  Since we have a large supply of FSK P9 + P10 
AP's and SM's, is there any reason why we shouldn't use them?

This is for a PTZ Axis camera.

Re: [AFMUG] Physical asset inventory

[Brian Sullivan]

From what I read the RFID reader doesn't have a very large range. 
Apparently the tagged items must be 'passed through' the truck's 
tailgate opening to be read.  And it requires two readers installed in 
the bed of the truck.

Would be nice if someone else did the consumer R+D for us. :-)

On 2/3/2016 1:15 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

Oh, hellz yeah :)

On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 1:14 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
 wrote:

I meant ford tool link. Employee RFID name badges let you know which bastard
lost the equipment too

On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 1:04 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

F that. Anything adding labor to our team is room for human error as well
as additional and additive labor cost.

Slap an RFID tag on the gear and never manually enter numbers or locations
again.

On Feb 3, 2016 1:00 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm"
 wrote:

I want this


On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 12:57 PM, Cameron Crum  wrote:

Wispmon handles this in our inventory module. You can use a barcode
scanner to input data.

On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 12:07 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

Anyone use barcodes?  How exhaustive and anal do some of you get when
maintaining your asset records?





--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.




--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] pmp450

[Brian Sullivan]

If you have all frequencies checked and all channel sizes checked, it 
can be a long wait between re-registration attempts.


On 2/1/2016 2:44 PM, Ryan Mano wrote:


Also notice on the sm there is external gain do I leave that at 0?

Is that the problem?

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Monday, February 1, 2016 3:43 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] pmp450

Totally. Audio alignment is the best (and easiest IMO) way to align a 
Canopy SM.


bp


On 2/1/2016 12:39 PM, Ryan Mano wrote:

​on a dish and without same thing

you said audio alignment there are tones on the sm to align with?



*From:*Af   on
behalf of Bill Prince 

*Sent:* Monday, February 1, 2016 3:37 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] pmp450

Is the SM dished? You are aware that the dish is an offset
parabola (dish will be pointed down)? At 1 mile a dished SM should
be screaming on audio alignment.


bp



On 2/1/2016 12:30 PM, Ryan Mano wrote:

​ap side max range is set to 10 miles



*From:*Af  
on behalf of That One Guy /sarcasm 

*Sent:* Monday, February 1, 2016 3:27 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] pmp450

is max range set low?

On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 2:26 PM, Ryan Mano
> wrote:

8x down 1x up

this is the first sm am trying to install on it

​

the freq am on is very clean not sure what the problem
isunless am missing a setting?




*From:*Af > on behalf of Josh Luthman
>
*Sent:* Monday, February 1, 2016 3:17 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] pmp450

Signals on each side?

8x down 1x up?  Could be an uplink path issue or heavy
interference at the AP side.  Have you changed
frequencies?  Spectrum analysis? Is this the first SM on
the AP?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 3:16 PM, Ryan Mano
> wrote:

am new to the pmp450 looks straight forward but am
having issues registering it from a distance​

when I point the sm which is 12 feet in front of the
ap it syncs 8x by 1x ...but if I go 1mile down the
road it doesn't register at all

not sure what am doing wrong...has anyone had this
similar issue like this?

thanks



-- 


If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see
your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part
of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 Watchdog resets - was: To Cambium With Love- Replace the bad ePMP units.

[Brian Sullivan]

I was assured today that the issue isn't the hardware.  Evidently this 
issue can be solved with an upcoming software upgrade.

Time will tell.
http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/13-2-to-13-4-System-Reset-Exception-Watchdog-Reset/td-p/43347/page/2

On 1/21/2016 4:02 PM, Joe Falaschi wrote:
We have some APs that have uptime over 60 days but many reboot every 
1-3 weeks.  This is definitely an outlier.  We've been in contact with 
Cambium on this via an open ticket and sending them all of the 
information they request and nobody has said oh gosh that is bad 
hardware RMA it.  So, we're just going around and around.  We'll end 
up just replacing it and hoping they will take it back because 
obviously this is bad.  We are running 14.x per their request.  We saw 
this on 13.x as well.


Joe


On Jan 21, 2016, at 12:05 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Joe, that is seriously bad.  I see watchdog resets and a few stack 
dumps, but uptime on 450 APs is typically 2-4 weeks, despite the 
recent cold weather, in fact I don�t think it has been more common 
than it was last summer.  I have not gone to 14.x though, everything 
is still on 13.2.
So either you have a bad unit, or 14.x is making it much worse.  If 
everyone was seeing resets every few minutes or hours, I think there 
would be villagers with torches and pitchforks outside Cambium HQ.

Brian from FVI does have a thread on the Cambium Community about this.
FWIW, I have one 450i 900 MHz which necessarily is on 14.1, and it 
does not appear to be having watchdog resets.  Lightly loaded 
however, just 2 subs.

*From:* Joe Falaschi <mailto:listm...@wi.net>
*Sent:* Thursday, January 21, 2016 11:34 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 Watchdog resets - was: To Cambium 
With Love- Replace the bad ePMP units.
We see a ton of reboots on the 450 platform as well.  It's getting 
pretty frustrating simply because this is such a long term issue.  
One of my APs has rebooted 195 times (now running 14.1.2).  They are 
saying we should replace the AP but it is unclear if we can RMA it or 
not.  We do have an open ticket.

Joe Falaschi
e-vergent

On Jan 20, 2016, at 9:26 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:

Hum�  sounds very similar. It�s temperature sensitive as well - gets 
far worse with low temperatures, and we are having pretty cold temps 
this week.

Extremely frustrating and causing real customer complaints.
Mark
On Jan 20, 2016, at 9:28 PM, Tushar Patel <tpa...@ecpi.com 
<mailto:tpa...@ecpi.com>> wrote:
Over two years we have been seeing random reboot. We were told over 
and over again you are the only one.  Then few people started 
reporting.
But cambium never could get bottom of the problems for two years 
so, I gave up on cambium fixing this random reboot.  We stop 
calling them about it.
As the new versions of the software has come out over two years we 
have see the frequency of the problem reduce but not gone away.


Tushar

On Jan 20, 2016, at 6:25 PM, Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net 
<mailto:m...@amplex.net>> wrote:



Tushar,
What did you give up on?   Or do?
Please note the mailing and shipping address change below:
Mark Radabaugh
Amplex
22690 Pemberville Rd
Luckey, OH 43443
419-837-5015 x1021
m...@amplex.net <mailto:m...@amplex.net>
On Jan 20, 2016, at 4:49 PM, Tushar Patel <tpa...@ecpi.com 
<mailto:tpa...@ecpi.com>> wrote:
That's what they used to tell us too.  We have given up on the 
subject now.


Tushar

On Jan 20, 2016, at 1:09 PM, Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net 
<mailto:m...@amplex.net>> wrote:


Wait - they keep telling us we are the only ones that this 
happens to with 450?

So who else is having reboot-o-rama with 450�s?
Mark
On Jan 20, 2016, at 1:20 PM, Brian Sullivan 
<installe...@foxvalley.net <mailto:installe...@foxvalley.net>> 
wrote:
I wish they would fix/replace the bad 450 AP's that suffer from 
Watchdog Resets.

Although replacing 100 450 AP's is cheaper than ePMP.  :-/

On 1/20/2016 12:11 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Why would making the memory faster degrade performance?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 1:00 PM, Tyson Burris @ Internet 
Communications Inc <t...@franklinisp.net> wrote:


Hello Cambium,


At the MidWest-IX launch party last night, several of us
Indiana WISPs compared notes on the �cold weather�
problems we are seeing with ePMPs. It was very interesting
to learn we are experience identical problems across the
spectrum.

We all understand this is a DRAM issue with certain units
you have identified. We also understand the firmware RC
that has been made available to fix this short term.

The bottom line is we are very frustrated and grow tired
of dealing with it.


Our concern is simple.  If your software fix �degrades�
the performance of the product o

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 Watchdog resets - was: To Cambium With Love- Replace the bad ePMP units.

[Brian Sullivan]

There are many customers who are on the receiving end of the Watchdog 
resets getting fed up with their "router problem".  I hope Cambium has a 
fix soon.


On 1/21/2016 5:52 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Haha, so true.
I�m thinking how people get bent out of shape if their Internet blips 
for a minute, but I have AT UVerse at home and it is fairly common 
to have to go in the basement and press the reset or power button on 
the modem.  The set top box does however show a screen on the TV 
suggesting you do that.

*From:* Adam Moffett <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Thursday, January 21, 2016 4:26 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 Watchdog resets - was: To Cambium 
With Love- Replace the bad ePMP units.
I laugh through this whole thread because we're bitching about the 
unit having a problem which it detects and corrects with no 
intervention from the operator.�


There is a lot of equipment out there (I don't need to name names) 
that would sit there being broken until you reset the power on it.



On 1/21/2016 5:21 PM, Stefan Englhardt wrote:


I don�t blame MT and UBNT any longer for their non existing quality 
assurance division.


Sounds beta quality �

�

*Von:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Brian Sullivan
*Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 21. Januar 2016 23:11
*An:* af@afmug.com
*Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 Watchdog resets - was: To Cambium 
With Love- Replace the bad ePMP units.


�

I was assured today that the issue isn't the hardware.� Evidently 
this issue can be solved with an upcoming software upgrade.

Time will tell.
http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/13-2-to-13-4-System-Reset-Exception-Watchdog-Reset/td-p/43347/page/2

On 1/21/2016 4:02 PM, Joe Falaschi wrote:

We have some APs that have uptime over 60 days but many reboot
every 1-3 weeks. �This is definitely an outlier. �We've been
in contact with Cambium on this via an open ticket and sending
them all of the information they request and nobody has said oh
gosh that is bad hardware RMA it. �So, we're just going around
and around. �We'll end up just replacing it and hoping they
will take it back because obviously this is bad. �We are
running 14.x per their request. �We saw this on 13.x as well.

�

Joe

�

�

On Jan 21, 2016, at 12:05 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:



Joe, that is seriously bad.� I see watchdog resets and a
few stack dumps, but uptime on 450 APs is typically 2-4
weeks, despite the recent cold weather, in fact I don�t
think it has been more common than it was last summer.� I
have not gone to 14.x though, everything is still on 13.2.

�

So either you have a bad unit, or 14.x is making it much
worse.� If everyone was seeing resets every few minutes or
hours, I think there would be villagers with torches and
pitchforks outside Cambium HQ.

�

Brian from FVI does have a thread on the Cambium Community
about this.

�

FWIW, I have one 450i 900 MHz which necessarily is on 14.1,
and it does not appear to be having watchdog resets.�
Lightly loaded however, just 2 subs.

�

�

*From:*Joe Falaschi <mailto:listm...@wi.net>

*Sent:*Thursday, January 21, 2016 11:34 AM

*To:*af@afmug.com

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 Watchdog resets - was: To
Cambium With Love- Replace the bad ePMP units.

�

We see a ton of reboots on the 450 platform as well.� It's
getting pretty frustrating simply because this is such a long
term issue.� One of my APs has rebooted 195 times (now
running 14.1.2).� They are saying we should replace the AP
but it is unclear if we can RMA it or not.� We do have an
open ticket.

�

Joe Falaschi

e-vergent

�

�

�



On Jan 20, 2016, at 9:26 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:



Hum�� sounds very similar.�� It�s temperature
sensitive as well - gets far worse with low temperatures,
and we are having pretty cold temps this week.��

�

Extremely frustrating and causing real customer complaints.

�

Mark

�

On Jan 20, 2016, at 9:28 PM, Tushar Patel
<tpa...@ecpi.com> wrote:

�

Over two years we have been seeing random reboot. We
were told over and over again you are the only
one.� Then few people started reporting.

�

But cambium never could get bottom of the problems
for two years so, I gave up on cambium fixing this
random reb

Re: [AFMUG] To Cambium With Love - Replace the bad ePMP units.

[Brian Sullivan]

*is NOT

On 1/20/2016 12:20 PM, Brian Sullivan wrote:
I wish they would fix/replace the bad 450 AP's that suffer from 
Watchdog Resets.

Although replacing 100 450 AP's is cheaper than ePMP.  :-/

On 1/20/2016 12:11 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Why would making the memory faster degrade performance?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 1:00 PM, Tyson Burris @ Internet 
Communications Inc <t...@franklinisp.net> wrote:


Hello Cambium,

At the MidWest-IX launch party last night, several of us Indiana
WISPs compared notes on the ‘cold weather’ problems we are seeing
with ePMPs.  It was very interesting to learn we are experience
identical problems across the spectrum.

We all understand this is a DRAM issue with certain units you
have identified.  We also understand the firmware RC that has
been made available to fix this short term.

The bottom line is we are very frustrated and grow tired of
dealing with it.

Our concern is simple.  If your software fix ‘degrades’ the
performance of the product or triggers other issues, as it has
been suggested, we would prefer a full recall and replacement
program immediately.

If the suggestion that the fix will degrade the product
performance is inaccurate and not cause other issues, I would
like for this to be made public.

Thank you,

*Tyson Burris, President**
**Internet Communications Inc.**
**739 Commerce Dr.**
**Franklin, IN 46131**
***
*317-738-0320  Daytime #*
*317-412-1540  Cell/Direct #*
*Online: **www.surfici.net* <http://www.surfici.net>

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Re: [AFMUG] To Cambium With Love - Replace the bad ePMP units.

[Brian Sullivan]

I wish they would fix/replace the bad 450 AP's that suffer from Watchdog 
Resets.

Although replacing 100 450 AP's is cheaper than ePMP.  :-/

On 1/20/2016 12:11 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Why would making the memory faster degrade performance?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 1:00 PM, Tyson Burris @ Internet 
Communications Inc > wrote:


Hello Cambium,

At the MidWest-IX launch party last night, several of us Indiana
WISPs compared notes on the ‘cold weather’ problems we are seeing
with ePMPs. It was very interesting to learn we are experience
identical problems across the spectrum.

We all understand this is a DRAM issue with certain units you have
identified.  We also understand the firmware RC that has been made
available to fix this short term.

The bottom line is we are very frustrated and grow tired of
dealing with it.

Our concern is simple.  If your software fix ‘degrades’ the
performance of the product or triggers other issues, as it has
been suggested, we would prefer a full recall and replacement
program immediately.

If the suggestion that the fix will degrade the product
performance is inaccurate and not cause other issues, I would like
for this to be made public.

Thank you,

*Tyson Burris, President**
**Internet Communications Inc.**
**739 Commerce Dr.**
**Franklin, IN 46131**
***
*317-738-0320  Daytime #*
*317-412-1540  Cell/Direct #*
*Online: **www.surfici.net* 

ICI

*What can ICI do for you?*


*Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh
Wifi/Hotzones - IP Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure.*
**
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Re: [AFMUG] The perfect antenna for your new 900 MHz 450

[Brian Sullivan]

We too have 100+ used Yagi's in inventory we would love to re-deploy.
Would it be hard to fabricate a holder for two M2 or KPP Yagis?
Such a holder would provide adequate (12"?) spacing as Chuck mentioned 
and rotate them + or - 45.

We would then use N to RP-SMA cables to the SM.



On 1/14/2016 4:51 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Yes, you can use two yagis.
Not a huge spacing issue due to being opposite polarizations.
I would make sure there is at least 12 inches between them.
*From:* SmarterBroadband 
*Sent:* Wednesday, January 13, 2016 5:28 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] The perfect antenna for your new 900 MHz 450

So I was wondering.

We have hundreds of old M2 Yagi’s left from our old canopy 900 days.

Could we use 2 per 450 install, one vertical and one horizontal?

How far apart would they need to be?

Adam

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
*Sent:* Wednesday, January 13, 2016 6:53 AM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* [AFMUG] The perfect antenna for your new 900 mhz 450

http://www.m2inc.com/amateur/902-14wlc-880-950-mhz/

25db gain!

Re: [AFMUG] Gige Sync Injector CMM sync type?

[Brian Sullivan]

We see watchdog resets increasing with this latest cold snap.  Not all 
AP's either.  How often are your AP's watchdog resetting?


On 1/13/2016 9:02 PM, George Skorup wrote:
I run into this with the 450's goddamn on-board GPS all the time. 
Because watchdog resets. And then 9 times out of 10, AutoSync selects 
the on-board at boot. I know they're working on that though. 

Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

[Brian Sullivan]

The latest firmware for the AF series (all models) now calculates the 
expected signal level it's on the Main screen of the GUI as "Ideal".

It uses the GPS data to calculate FSL and assumes clear LOS.

On 12/26/2015 11:46 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:

Ok, cool.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Herrington
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 10:34 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

Little late response

http://wisptools.net/tools-linkbudget.php  works really well, just remember it 
uses EIRP as transmit power with 0 dBm transmit power

RX = 38 gain,  TX = 33 gain

Chris Herrington, PMP, RCDD/OSP Specialist FCC Lic. # PG-11-19440

Full Spectrum Communications
Consulting, Engineering, Installation
Communications & Electrical Contractor #450317 US Mail: PO Box 60905 Irvine CA 
92602 Visit us at: 14701 Myford Road, Suite B Tustin, CA  92780 800-897-7287, 
714-897-3789 Chris Cell 714-309-8714 ch...@fsc.com http://www.fsc.com




-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 3:00 PM
To: 'af@afmug.com'
Subject: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

Is there a good link estimation utility for the Airfiber 24 HD?

I like the UBNT online link calculator, but it doesn't work with 24Ghz?

This is the link I just put up, shouldn't the chains all be about equal dB?
What does it mean when the second chain is so much different from the first on 
these units?

Don't even know if the dB is dialed in at this range :(

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT Little Friends

[Brian Sullivan]

12 Monkeys = sleep

On 12/24/2015 11:11 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I can watch 12 monkeys, the 5th element and Dr Strangelove over and 
over.  But not this latest Star Wars...

*From:* Gino Villarini 
*Sent:* Thursday, December 24, 2015 10:08 AM
*To:* Animal Farm 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT Little Friends
Tell Jenny im going to watch Star wars for a third time now.. lol
On Thu, Dec 24, 2015 at 1:07 PM, Chuck McCown > wrote:


Since I was bored, and read google news for about the 5th time
this morning, I went and gave $5 to that school lunch aid that got
fired for giving the broke kid some food.  I was going to give $1
but the minimum was $5.  In any even she is already up to
something like $15K in the last two days.  If she is part time
that could be equivalent to a year’s salary.
*From:* Chuck McCown 
*Sent:* Thursday, December 24, 2015 9:51 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* OT Little Friends
My wife just referred to y’all as my “little friends” as in: “if
you are bored, go talk to your little friends on the internet...”

Re: [AFMUG] P8

[Brian Sullivan]

Some non-IT folks will pay full retail

On 12/15/2015 2:15 PM, jaldri...@totalhighspeed.net wrote:

What to do with Cambium p8 radios (5.2, 2.4, 5.7)

Sent from my iPhone

Re: [AFMUG] TV

[Brian Sullivan]

I'll bite.  More info please.  :-)

On 12/11/2015 11:50 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Adding everyone as these emails pile in. .

-Original Message- From: Eric Nowland
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2015 9:54 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TV

Can you add me to that list too please?

On 12/11/2015 9:42 AM, Gabriel Pike wrote:

Could you add me to the list then please?

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2015 11:34 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TV

NDAs have to be exchanged.

-Original Message-
From: Gabriel Pike
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2015 9:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TV

Why not make it on list if everyone is interested?

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2015 11:11 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TV

Boy howdy!

-Original Message-
From: Jay Weekley
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2015 10:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TV

I think the entire list has requested to be contacted off list.

Jon Langeler wrote:

I'm pretty sure most of us will be interested in hearing more...

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.

On Dec 10, 2015, at 3:04 PM, Chuck McCown > wrote:


Ok
*From:* Jon Paul Kelley 
*Sent:* Thursday, December 10, 2015 1:03 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] TV

Offlist as well for me, if you don’t mind.

Thank you.

Jon Paul Kelley

CKS Wireless

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Thursday, December 10, 2015 1:40 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] TV

Will do.

*From:*Tim Reichhart 

*Sent:*Thursday, December 10, 2015 12:22 PM

*To:*af@afmug.com 

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] TV

Chuck
also hit me off list I am interested

Tim


-
---

 -Original Message-
 From: "Gino Villarini" >
 To: af@afmug.com 
 Date: 12/10/15 01:33 PM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TV

 Chuck, im interested in more details! ping me offlist

 On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 1:10 PM, Chuck McCown > wrote:

 Me...

 Offlist if you want to get into the nitty gritty.

 *From:*Rory Conaway 

 *Sent:*Thursday, December 10, 2015 10:04 AM

 *To:*af@afmug.com 

 *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] TV

 Interesting. Who do I need to talk to about this?

 Rory

 *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
 ] *On Behalf Of* Chuck McCown
 *Sent:* Thursday, December 10, 2015 9:59 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com 
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] TV

 Currently we have the Utah channels in there. Importation and
 adding to the stream is technically easy.

 The local company (you) has to bear the cost of transport of the
 distant signals if you want them.

 *From:*Jeremy 

 *Sent:*Thursday, December 10, 2015 9:54 AM

 *To:*af@afmug.com 

 *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] TV

 When I talked to them they had East coast or West coast locals.
 So the times would not be the same as your local channels, but
 you could still get ABC, NBC, and CBS.

 On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 9:38 AM, Chuck McCown > wrote:

 If your wireless can support Netflix, it will support 
RealchoiceTV.


 Yes, locals can be added. That takes a bit more work on the
 administrative /content rights end. But technically easy to do.

 *From:*Rory Conaway 

 *Sent:*Thursday, December 10, 2015 9:32 AM

 *To:*af@afmug.com 

 *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] TV

 If it only takes as much bandwidth as NetFlix, has it been tested
 over wireless? Also, can it add local channels?

 Rory

 *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
 ] *On Behalf Of* Chuck McCown
 *Sent:* Thursday, December 10, 2015 9:30 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com 
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] TV

 You will be hearing more about it... ;-)

 *From:*Mathew Howard 

 *Sent:*Thursday, December 10, 2015 9:28 AM

 *To:*af 

 *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] TV

 This sounds interesting... I'd like to hear more about it.

 On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 10:20 AM, Chuck McCown > wrote:

 Generally speaking, good margins with zero effort.

 Retail is competitive.

Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450i 900 MHz SM

[Brian Sullivan]

So we just need better than -45 dBm at every site.  No problem!!

On 10/14/2015 12:25 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
The smart meters we are familiar with use the entire 900 MHz band. So 
how friendly they are depends on the local density of smart meters, 
and how close you are to the hubs. The closer the hub, the worse the 
interference because of the way they mesh with each other. All the 
meters surrounding the hub become relays for all the ones that can't 
talk directly to the hub. When we were in an area near a hub, the 
noise floor was in the -60 to -65 zone. Pretty much unusable.


The meters use a dinky omni that is mostly blocked behind the meter, 
but they transmit at a full watt. Pretty much spew in almost every 
direction.


Good luck, but it ain't going to be pretty.


bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 10/14/2015 9:43 AM, Brian Sullivan wrote:
It would be nice if Cambium could share with us how well 900Mhz 450i 
+ Smart meters play together.
Smart Meters are scheduled to be installed any minute in our service 
area.  There is also a large growing base of them just a few miles 
from Cambium's office.

 We have enough issues with SCADA, baby monitors, ect already.
Licensed multipoint solutions are looking so much nicer.

On 10/13/2015 6:08 PM, George Skorup wrote:
We have smart meters coming in 2017 so the band is about to be 
destroyed worse than it already is.

Re: [AFMUG] Any interesting multi-gigabit backhauls at wispalooza..

[Brian Sullivan]

The guys at the Chicago Design Center could make it happen.
The 2k per radio IS a compelling option though.  Is there a catch?


On 10/14/2015 4:52 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:


Dude they can't even get sync to work on multipoint.

The quality necessary for licensed makes 2k an unbelievable price point.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Oct 14, 2015 2:41 PM, "Brian Sullivan" <installe...@foxvalley.net 
<mailto:installe...@foxvalley.net>> wrote:


I wish UBNT would jump on board with licensed gear.  I'll bet they
could offer the same thing for 1/2 the price.

On 10/14/2015 4:34 PM, Darin Steffl wrote:

$2k MSRP per radio plus antenna which are sold at Streakwave and
DR. This is the best price point per meg on 11ghz licensed links.

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 2:31 PM, Tyler Treat
<tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com
<mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>> wrote:

what price are they touting?




*From:* Af <af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Peter Kranz
<pkr...@unwiredltd.com <mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com>>
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 14, 2015 4:28 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Any interesting multi-gigabit
backhauls at wispalooza..

Thanks, I am aware of how it works. at 10km the B11 offers a
1560 Mbps PHY rate, and a 1248 Mbps TCP data rate. So if one
was to spend 50% of the budget on upload, they would see a
624 Mbps full duplex link. Which as I was saying before is
meh inducing other than the good price point.

>> There is no full duplex on the B11. It is auto-TDMA and is
flexible so you're not limited to 750 Mbps one way. You could
have 1000 Mbps one way and 500 the other way. The SFP at 1G
is what would limit the speed to 1G on downstream.




-- 
Darin Steffl

Minnesota WiFi
www.mnwifi.com <http://www.mnwifi.com/>
507-634-WiFi
<http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> Like us on Facebook
<http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi>

Re: [AFMUG] Any interesting multi-gigabit backhauls at wispalooza..

[Brian Sullivan]

I wish UBNT would jump on board with licensed gear.  I'll bet they could 
offer the same thing for 1/2 the price.


On 10/14/2015 4:34 PM, Darin Steffl wrote:
$2k MSRP per radio plus antenna which are sold at Streakwave and DR. 
This is the best price point per meg on 11ghz licensed links.


On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 2:31 PM, Tyler Treat 
> 
wrote:


what price are they touting?




*From:* Af > on
behalf of Peter Kranz >
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 14, 2015 4:28 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Any interesting multi-gigabit backhauls at
wispalooza..

Thanks, I am aware of how it works. at 10km the B11 offers a 1560
Mbps PHY rate, and a 1248 Mbps TCP data rate. So if one was to
spend 50% of the budget on upload, they would see a 624 Mbps full
duplex link. Which as I was saying before is meh inducing other
than the good price point.

>>There is no full duplex on the B11. It is auto-TDMA and is
flexible so you're not limited to 750 Mbps one way. You could have
1000 Mbps one way and 500 the other way. The SFP at 1G is what
would limit the speed to 1G on downstream.




--
Darin Steffl
Minnesota WiFi
www.mnwifi.com 
507-634-WiFi
 Like us on Facebook 

Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450i 900 MHz SM

[Brian Sullivan]

It would be nice if Cambium could share with us how well 900Mhz 450i + 
Smart meters play together.
Smart Meters are scheduled to be installed any minute in our service 
area.  There is also a large growing base of them just a few miles from 
Cambium's office.

 We have enough issues with SCADA, baby monitors, ect already.
Licensed multipoint solutions are looking so much nicer.

On 10/13/2015 6:08 PM, George Skorup wrote:
We have smart meters coming in 2017 so the band is about to be 
destroyed worse than it already is.

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber 5x Frequencies

[Brian Sullivan]

Consider it good.  Been running that split load for some time with NO 
issues.


On 10/13/2015 3:04 PM, Justin Marshall wrote:


3.0.2.1 is the latest stable

Looks like they don’t add support for split frequencies until the 
3.0.3-beta2 (still in beta…)




Version 3.0.3-beta2 (June 4, 2015)



New Features:

- Support for split rx and tx frequencies

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Justin Marshall
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 13, 2015 3:52 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber 5x Frequencies

AF06.v3.0.2.1

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck Macenski
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 13, 2015 3:46 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber 5x Frequencies

What software release are you running?

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 2:29 PM, Justin Marshall > wrote:


I don’t see any option for “split frequency mode”…

I see that mentioned in the user guide, but it’s not on the page … 
(see attached)


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] 
*On Behalf Of *Chuck Macenski

*Sent:* Tuesday, October 13, 2015 2:49 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber 5x Frequencies

Hi,

Yes, those are only intended for DFS fallback at the moment. If you 
are not using DFS frequencies, you can select the split frequency mode 
and freq 2 and 3 will be replaced by an rx and tx frequency selection. 
The scanning algorithm has a number of changes coming in future 
releases so stay tuned...


Chuck

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 1:26 PM, Justin Marshall > wrote:


So if I’m using non-DFS frequencies just leave Frequency 2 & 3 at 0?

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] 
*On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman

*Sent:* Tuesday, October 13, 2015 2:12 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber 5x Frequencies

You have to specify the same frequencies.  That's how it works.

Secondary and tertiary are for DFS. Chuck said it won't be necessary 
for 5.1 and 5.7 sometime.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Oct 13, 2015 11:04 AM, "Justin Marshall" > wrote:


Hi,

Just wondering what everyone else is doing as far as AirFiber 5x 
frequencies…


In the newest firmware, It has a spots for 3 frequencies.  Their user 
guide only says it should have an option for a separate tx and rx 
frequency.


I’ve done a quick search of the UBNT forums and I haven’t found an 
explanation (at least not in English)


Am I to assume Frequency 1 is the TX, Frequency 2 is the RX, and 3 is 
an alternate?


If Frequency 1 is the TX and 2 is the RX… is it best to choose 2 
different bands for those? (5.2 for tx/5.7 for rx?)


Just curious how everyone else is doing it.

Thanks

Justin

just...@pdmnet.net 

[AFMUG] PMP 450i 900 MHz SM

[Brian Sullivan]

Is the design of the module final?
I'd rather see integrated cables or those pesky RF connectors underneath 
a cover to avoid water.

Will Cambium be including RF cables with each SM?

Also, the specs say 100M throughput in a 20MHz channel.  What is the 
throughput running in 1x or 2x?



450 + ePMP love child.

Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450i 900 MHz SM

[Brian Sullivan]

Yes.  I'm trying to figure out what to expect, realistically.


On 10/13/2015 5:33 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

> What is the throughput running in 1x or 2x
Do you mean 2x, 4x and 6x?  Or you really mean single pol or MIMO A 
operation?
Usually you can figure 2x, 4x and 6x are approximately 1/4, 1/2, and 
3/4 of the 8x throughput.
Similarly, 5 and 10 MHz channels have approximately 1/4 and 1/2 the 
throughput of a 20 MHz channel.

Good enough for government work.
*From:* Brian Sullivan <mailto:installe...@foxvalley.net>
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 13, 2015 5:24 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* [AFMUG] PMP 450i 900 MHz SM
Is the design of the module final?
I'd rather see integrated cables or those pesky RF connectors 
underneath a cover to avoid water.

Will Cambium be including RF cables with each SM?

Also, the specs say 100M throughput in a 20MHz channel. What is the 
throughput running in 1x or 2x?



450 + ePMP love child.

Re: [AFMUG] RF mapping planning

[Brian Sullivan]

Are you graphing your Frame Utilization?  Can you post a screenshot?
Also, when you are hitting 100Mbps, is that your AP's Ethernet traffic 
or RF traffic?


On 10/8/2015 5:02 PM, David wrote:
I had one sector hit 100Mbs not quiet hitting the 120 but I am 
concerned. We have ordered more APs to stack on there for

more offload of the site. The other sectors are 50Mb,20Mb or less
 I asked the other day if we could just add another Tower in that area LOL



On 10/08/2015 03:02 PM, Josh Baird wrote:
All 480 people on the 5 450 sectors?  That is quite a bit.  How's 
capacity on the sectors looking?


On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 3:53 PM, David > wrote:


+1
+2
+3
+4

all good stuff from Sean and Josh
 We are doing something a little different by offloading all
those older subs to 450 and any smaller sites with <20 subs we
use Epmp for
 deployment and Rf planning is snap because of our scale we are
able to do this without stepping on our towers with 450.
Eventually if the small site grows to larger than 50 we will over
build it with 450 and start migrating subs to larger capacity
platform.

I just did a Sub inventory report on one tower we have with 5
sectors of pmp450 3.65Ghz gear and we have 480 subs on there
We feed that beast with a ptp800 and ptp650 link LOL I am looking
at upgrading the router from a RB1100AH to a CCR to help
with flow.
 Love this stuff :)




On 10/08/2015 02:22 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

After ePMP version 2.5 the radios can do 2.5ms frames.  This is
needed to sync with FSK.  I don't know how you marry them up but
there's a good bit of documentation that helps.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Craig House
> wrote:

I assumed that there was a way to make the EP MP stuff work
with the FSK stuff but I wasn't sure how to choose the right
settings so that sink would work what is the trick
We use 4 control slots 16 miles max distance and a 75% down
link on our FSK

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 8, 2015, at 13:48, Josh Luthman
> wrote:


Use ePMP and do what you were doing before.  You can also
match settings so ePMP will sync with FSK.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 2:37 PM, Craig House
> wrote:

What do you guys use for planning out tower sector RF
??   We have always been a Cambium FSK shop and never
really had to worry much about self interference.  Now
with FSK end of life and we are installing a lot more
UBNT M series, we need to think more about RF planning
than we used to.  Suggestions?

Craig

Re: [AFMUG] Surface Book

[Brian Sullivan]

No GigE ethernet port :-(

On 10/6/2015 5:24 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:

Microsoft releases..  The aluminum unibody Macbook Pro?

http://www.theverge.com/2015/10/6/9454051/microsoft-surface-laptop-announced-specs-price-release-date 



The hardware looks excellent. Now I just wish it ran OSX...

Re: [AFMUG] 450d 13.3 on 12.2.2 AP

[Brian Sullivan]

13.1.2 and above brings a lot of needed performance, I would upgrade at 
least to that.



On 10/6/2015 10:41 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:
Is there an issue with 13.3 SMs on 12.2.2 APs?  We are testing the 
450d and it looks like it is connecting but really isn't.


Any chance this is a polarity issue?  All of our dished SMs are 
connecting fine.  I seem to remember an issue with some 450APs having 
H and V swapped internally.


LUID: 037 - [0a-00-3e-xx-xx-xx] 
 State: IN SESSION 
(Encrypt Disabled)

Site Name: NAME
PMP 450 MIMO OFDM
Software Version: CANOPY 13.3
FPGA Version: 112414 (DES, Sched, US/ETSI) P11
Session Timeout: 0, AirDelay: 2950 ns, 29 bits (approximately 
0.274 miles (1449 feet))
Session Count: 4, Reg Count: 4, Re-Reg Count: 0, Session Uptime: 
24 d, 21:26:07

Power Level : -54.2 dBm  Signal Strength Ratio : 7.0 dB V - H dB
Signal to Noise Ratio: 14 dB V / 0 dB H
Sustained Uplink Data Rate (AP): 65000 (kbps)
Uplink Burst Allocation (AP): 250 (kbit)
Sustained Downlink Data Rate (AP): 65000 (kbps)
Downlink Burst Allocation (AP): 250 (kbit)
Broadcast/Multicast Allocation (AP): 5 (kbit)
Max Burst Uplink Rate (D): 0 (kbit)
Max Burst Downlink Rate (AP): 0 (kbit)
Low Priority Uplink CIR (D): 0 (kbps)
Low Priority Downlink CIR (D)

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium RMA Form Broke again?

[Brian Sullivan]

I heard that if you don't get something back within 20 or so minutes to 
re-submit the ticket.
And if they stop working on your ticket and you haven't heard anything, 
re-submit a new ticket explaining the same issue.



On 10/1/2015 9:40 AM, can...@believewireless.net wrote:
Unfortunately it takes about a week for them to get back to you. It 
seems like we get their response a day after we've found a workaround.


On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 10:37 AM, Nate Burke > wrote:


I submitted some EPMP RMA's 2 days ago and haven't heard anything
yet.  If the form was broke I'll re-submit, but If they are still
in processing I can wait.  Any way to find out if they made it
through?  I'm not sure if it's supposed to, but I did NOT receive
an acknowledgement email after I filled out the form.

Nate

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT vs ePMP Signal Strength?

[Brian Sullivan]

I am not sure why the signals would read differently, but i'm curious 
how you arrived at the 60 to 70% throughput increase.
Other than the ability to sync, I thought the main difference between 
UBNT's M series and ePMP was the user interface??


On 9/10/2015 2:06 PM, Christopher Gray wrote:
I just changed two low bandwidth 5 MHz width PTP links from Rocket M2 
radios to ePMP 2.4 GHz non-sync radios. The "signal strength" is about 
10 dB lower with the ePMP radios. Do they use a different mechanism to 
calculate signal strength?


Link 1:

  * 2x Rocket Dish RD-2G24
  * Antennas were not re-aimed when switching radios
  * Radio outputs are maximized on both systems to FCC PTP limits
  * UBNT signal read -62 dBm Tx / -61 dBm Rx
  * ePMP singal reads -72 dBm Tx / -70 dBm Rx

Link 2:

  * 1x Rocket Dish RD-2G24
  * 1x L-Com DPD 18 dBi Dish
  * Antennas were not re-aimed when switching radios
  * Radio outputs are maximized on both systems to FCC PTP limits
  * UBNT signal read -70 dBm Tx / -72 dBm Rx
  * ePMP singal reads -80 dBm Tx / -82 dBm Rx

Both links were stable, and both links appear stable now. Both ePMP 
links have 60-70% more throughput. Do I just need to adjust my mental 
meter 10 db? Are the new signals actually as concerning as they feel?


Thanks - Chris

Re: [AFMUG] Canopy 13.4 Watchdog Reset

[Brian Sullivan]

I probably read the Release Notes too fast and assumed that it was a 
fix.  I just re-read them and I only see what you do.  So it appears 
that there was no 'bug fix' for this issue.  In the Cambium forum, Matt 
M noted that there may be a Maintenance release to address this.  He did 
not state an ETA.  I would assume that us submitting support tickets 
 would help them get closer to squashing the bug.


On 9/4/2015 10:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Brian, is it your understanding that 13.4 was supposed to cure or help 
the watchdog resets?  I don't see anything in the release notes other 
than the log entry for user initiated resets.


I wish I could detect a pattern or cause-effect relationship which APs 
exhibit this and which rarely or never do.



-Original Message- From: Brian Sullivan
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 10:47 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy 13.4 Watchdog Reset

For us, we rolled back the affected AP's to 13.2 and they are back to
their normal routine (once in a while reboots).  I replaced one of them
and brought back here to test.  I'll know more after we collect graph
data and submit a ticket with Cambium.

On 9/4/2015 9:05 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
So what's the current status on this?  Is it better to upgrade to 
13.4, or stay on 13.2?  And do you have to upgrade both APs and SMs?


And was 13.4 supposed to fix a watchdog reset problem?  Or just 
create a different event log entry for user initiated reboots?


Watchdog resets are a big problem, it used to be just gamers and VoIP 
users, but now everyone bitches if their video stream buffers.  Or 
their smartphone switches to using mobile data, or their webcam has 
gaps.  And it's worse with DFS or LBT.



-Original Message- From: Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 9:54 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy 13.4 Watchdog Reset

We have been seeing this across 200+ AP's

It's getting truly annoying.   Cambium tech support has helpful 
suggestions like'just put them in free run'.   Um Thanks for the 
help, but no.


Mark Radabaugh
Amplex
27800 Lemoyne, Ste F
Millbury, OH 43447
419-261-5996

On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:56 PM, Brian Sullivan 
<installe...@foxvalley.net> wrote:


Last week we rolled out 13.4 to 450 AP's after testing in-house for 
a while.  While running 13.2 we would see an AP here or there reboot 
on occasion by itself.  The only message in the Event Log mentions 
Watchdog Reset.  This is one of the bugs that Cambium noted was 
fixed in the 13.4 release notes.


Since we upgraded the network to 13.4 we are now seeing at least 4 
AP's out there rebooting several times per day.  On one of these 
AP's we are also seeing SM's (all 17 registered) reboot along with 
the AP.  The site has UPS backup so I know it's not a power grid 
problem.  I am planning to roll the affected AP's back to 13.2 this 
evening.


Anyone else having Watchdog issues with the 13.4 release?

**System Startup**
System Reset Exception -- Watchdog Reset
Software Version : CANOPY 13.4 AP-DES
Board Type : P12
Device Setting : 5.7GHz MIMO OFDM - Access Point - 0a-00-3e-a0-08-e5 
- 5760.0 MHz - 20.0 MHz - 1/16 - CC 85 - 2.5 ms

FPGA Version : 040715
FPGA Features : DES, Sched, US/ETSI;
08/28/2015 : 14:11:42 CST : :Time Set
08/28/2015 : 14:11:58 CST : Acquired sync pulse from Power Port.

Re: [AFMUG] Canopy 13.4 Watchdog Reset

[Brian Sullivan]

For us, we rolled back the affected AP's to 13.2 and they are back to 
their normal routine (once in a while reboots).  I replaced one of them 
and brought back here to test.  I'll know more after we collect graph 
data and submit a ticket with Cambium.


On 9/4/2015 9:05 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
So what's the current status on this?  Is it better to upgrade to 
13.4, or stay on 13.2?  And do you have to upgrade both APs and SMs?


And was 13.4 supposed to fix a watchdog reset problem?  Or just create 
a different event log entry for user initiated reboots?


Watchdog resets are a big problem, it used to be just gamers and VoIP 
users, but now everyone bitches if their video stream buffers.  Or 
their smartphone switches to using mobile data, or their webcam has 
gaps.  And it's worse with DFS or LBT.



-Original Message- From: Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 9:54 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy 13.4 Watchdog Reset

We have been seeing this across 200+ AP's

It's getting truly annoying.   Cambium tech support has helpful 
suggestions like'just put them in free run'.   Um Thanks for the 
help, but no.


Mark Radabaugh
Amplex
27800 Lemoyne, Ste F
Millbury, OH 43447
419-261-5996

On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:56 PM, Brian Sullivan 
<installe...@foxvalley.net> wrote:


Last week we rolled out 13.4 to 450 AP's after testing in-house for a 
while.  While running 13.2 we would see an AP here or there reboot on 
occasion by itself.  The only message in the Event Log mentions 
Watchdog Reset.  This is one of the bugs that Cambium noted was fixed 
in the 13.4 release notes.


Since we upgraded the network to 13.4 we are now seeing at least 4 
AP's out there rebooting several times per day.  On one of these AP's 
we are also seeing SM's (all 17 registered) reboot along with the 
AP.  The site has UPS backup so I know it's not a power grid 
problem.  I am planning to roll the affected AP's back to 13.2 this 
evening.


Anyone else having Watchdog issues with the 13.4 release?

**System Startup**
System Reset Exception -- Watchdog Reset
Software Version : CANOPY 13.4 AP-DES
Board Type : P12
Device Setting : 5.7GHz MIMO OFDM - Access Point - 0a-00-3e-a0-08-e5 
- 5760.0 MHz - 20.0 MHz - 1/16 - CC 85 - 2.5 ms

FPGA Version : 040715
FPGA Features : DES, Sched, US/ETSI;
08/28/2015 : 14:11:42 CST : :Time Set
08/28/2015 : 14:11:58 CST : Acquired sync pulse from Power Port.

[AFMUG] Canopy 13.4 Watchdog Reset

[Brian Sullivan]

Last week we rolled out 13.4 to 450 AP's after testing in-house for a 
while.  While running 13.2 we would see an AP here or there reboot on 
occasion by itself.  The only message in the Event Log mentions Watchdog 
Reset.  This is one of the bugs that Cambium noted was fixed in the 13.4 
release notes.


Since we upgraded the network to 13.4 we are now seeing at least 4 AP's 
out there rebooting several times per day.  On one of these AP's we are 
also seeing SM's (all 17 registered) reboot along with the AP.  The site 
has UPS backup so I know it's not a power grid problem.  I am planning 
to roll the affected AP's back to 13.2 this evening.


Anyone else having Watchdog issues with the 13.4 release?

**System Startup**
System Reset Exception -- Watchdog Reset
Software Version : CANOPY 13.4 AP-DES
Board Type : P12
Device Setting : 5.7GHz MIMO OFDM - Access Point - 0a-00-3e-a0-08-e5 - 
5760.0 MHz - 20.0 MHz - 1/16 - CC 85 - 2.5 ms

FPGA Version : 040715
FPGA Features : DES, Sched, US/ETSI;
08/28/2015 : 14:11:42 CST : :Time Set
08/28/2015 : 14:11:58 CST : Acquired sync pulse from Power Port.

Re: [AFMUG] Things found on towers

[Brian Sullivan]

You know, this is the year.

On 8/25/2015 10:29 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
Not sure what the story is here... haven't been to this site in about 
a year and found this. Maybe someone is trying to ward off the evil RF 
demons to improve their signal.