Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
The last one was empty, and had no upfitting; not even a rack. I'm
guessing the weight on the rear wheel (it was the rear wheel that
cracked the lid) was no more than 1500#.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 8/23/2017 11:00 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
A 3/4 ton pickup might way 9000 lbs empty. Heavier in the front if
it's empty, heavier in the back if it's full. Depending on the exact
truck and what was in it, it's possible the weight on one tire
exceeded 2500 pounds.
-- Original Message --
From: "Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>>
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: 8/23/2017 12:50:57 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
We use corrugated plastic culvert pipe for access to our septic clean
outs. It happens to be 30" diameter, and we have traffic-rated lids
that go over the top. The original lids were supposed to be rated at
2500# load. One of those cracked when a 3/4 ton pickup rolled over
it. We replaced that with one that was supposed to be "better". It
broke too in a similar 3/4 ton pickup event.
The newest lid seems to be much stronger. We will see, but I remain
somewhat skeptical.
That said. The culvert pipe has never been an issue WRT load. The
lids are another story.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 8/23/2017 9:44 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
When I was looking at the meter pits made from culvert pipe, one of
the manufacturers had instructions saying to add a concrete collar
around the pipe to make it traffic rated. They had an elevation
view which appeared to show just a concrete ring around the culvert
pipe. They didn't *sell* a concrete ring, so I wondered if you're
just supposed to pour it. Maybe put in two concentric pipes and
pour between them? That ought to be strong enough to park a truck on.
I'm not saying legs are a bad ideamaybe saves horsing around
with concrete.
-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: 8/23/2017 11:18:10 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
Yes, some kind of tab to keep it centered. Perhaps some legs that
would go down the inside of the culvert with some small plates on
the end for feet to give it some more crush strength.
The legs would not have to be attached to the lid.
Not sure whether to make a hinged lid or keep it simple and cheap.
*From:* Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Wednesday, August 23, 2017 9:15 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
Some sort of studs on the bottom to position it on the pipe, perhaps?
-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/23/2017 11:14:39 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
I was planning a circular diamond plate cover. Something simple.
*From:* Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Wednesday, August 23, 2017 9:03 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
Yeah actually I just realized that 18" diameter is kind of tight
for a coil of OSP fiber. Do-able, but tight.
I guess the hunt continues. If you do make something, let us know.
-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/23/2017 10:57:28 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
I don’t want to do one that small. But this is ideal for a
smaller handhole. I really can’t add much value. Too bad they
don’t do a larger one.
*From:* Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Wednesday, August 23, 2017 8:56 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
Chuck,
The Hancor meter pit doesn't include a lid. Turns out it's just a
pre-cut piece of culvert pipe.
The meter pit lids I'm finding tend to be cast iron. They're
heavy and costs hundreds of dollars.
Not many plastic options, but I did find this polypropylene
unit. List price is $92. Gives you an 11" dia opening into an
18" pipe.
They also say 'water meter' on them. Maybe I'd have to grind
that off.
If I add $30 for a 2' chunk of 18" culvert pipe I'm at $122 list.
Hypothetically speaking, what could your hypothetical product do
for me better than this one?
Asking because I'm interested, not trying to be snarky or anything.
-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/21/2017 10:11:04 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
Yep, that is what I made. HDPE Culvert.
*From:* Carl Peterson
*Sent:* Monday, August 21, 2017 7:59 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
Like this: http://www.hancor.com/product/meterpits.html
Seems like water meter pits might be a much cheaper option for
light duty:
http://www.dfwplasticsinc.com/products/brochures
On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 9:48 AM, Carl Peterson
<cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote:
Baltimore City is in t
Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
A 3/4 ton pickup might way 9000 lbs empty. Heavier in the front if it's
empty, heavier in the back if it's full. Depending on the exact truck
and what was in it, it's possible the weight on one tire exceeded 2500
pounds.
-- Original Message --
From: "Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/23/2017 12:50:57 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
We use corrugated plastic culvert pipe for access to our septic clean
outs. It happens to be 30" diameter, and we have traffic-rated lids
that go over the top. The original lids were supposed to be rated at
2500# load. One of those cracked when a 3/4 ton pickup rolled over it.
We replaced that with one that was supposed to be "better". It broke
too in a similar 3/4 ton pickup event.
The newest lid seems to be much stronger. We will see, but I remain
somewhat skeptical.
That said. The culvert pipe has never been an issue WRT load. The lids
are another story.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 8/23/2017 9:44 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
When I was looking at the meter pits made from culvert pipe, one of
the manufacturers had instructions saying to add a concrete collar
around the pipe to make it traffic rated. They had an elevation view
which appeared to show just a concrete ring around the culvert pipe.
They didn't *sell* a concrete ring, so I wondered if you're just
supposed to pour it. Maybe put in two concentric pipes and pour
between them? That ought to be strong enough to park a truck on.
I'm not saying legs are a bad ideamaybe saves horsing around with
concrete.
-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/23/2017 11:18:10 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
Yes, some kind of tab to keep it centered. Perhaps some legs that
would go down the inside of the culvert with some small plates on the
end for feet to give it some more crush strength.
The legs would not have to be attached to the lid.
Not sure whether to make a hinged lid or keep it simple and cheap.
From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 9:15 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
Some sort of studs on the bottom to position it on the pipe, perhaps?
-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/23/2017 11:14:39 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
I was planning a circular diamond plate cover. Something simple.
From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 9:03 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
Yeah actually I just realized that 18" diameter is kind of tight for
a coil of OSP fiber. Do-able, but tight.
I guess the hunt continues. If you do make something, let us know.
-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/23/2017 10:57:28 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
I don’t want to do one that small. But this is ideal for a smaller
handhole. I really can’t add much value. Too bad they don’t do a
larger one.
From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 8:56 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
Chuck,
The Hancor meter pit doesn't include a lid. Turns out it's just a
pre-cut piece of culvert pipe.
The meter pit lids I'm finding tend to be cast iron. They're heavy
and costs hundreds of dollars.
Not many plastic options, but I did find this polypropylene unit.
List price is $92. Gives you an 11" dia opening into an 18" pipe.
They also say 'water meter' on them. Maybe I'd have to grind that
off.
If I add $30 for a 2' chunk of 18" culvert pipe I'm at $122 list.
Hypothetically speaking, what could your hypothetical product do
for me better than this one?
Asking because I'm interested, not trying to be snarky or anything.
-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/21/2017 10:11:04 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
Yep, that is what I made. HDPE Culvert.
From:Carl Peterson
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 7:59 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
Like this: http://www.hancor.com/product/meterpits.html
Seems like water meter pits might be a much cheaper option for
light duty:
http://www.dfwplasticsinc.com/products/brochures
On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 9:48 AM, Carl Peterson
<cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote:
Baltimore City is in the process of replacing all of its water
meters. For some of them, this involves replacing the "vault"
they are in as well. There is a construction lot near my house
where they store them and they look a lot like double wall
corrugated pipe with U cutouts in the bottom but are clearly
manufactured. Guessing they would be a whole lot cheaper then
real vaults. No
Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
We use corrugated plastic culvert pipe for access to our septic clean
outs. It happens to be 30" diameter, and we have traffic-rated lids that
go over the top. The original lids were supposed to be rated at 2500#
load. One of those cracked when a 3/4 ton pickup rolled over it. We
replaced that with one that was supposed to be "better". It broke too in
a similar 3/4 ton pickup event.
The newest lid seems to be much stronger. We will see, but I remain
somewhat skeptical.
That said. The culvert pipe has never been an issue WRT load. The lids
are another story.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 8/23/2017 9:44 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
When I was looking at the meter pits made from culvert pipe, one of
the manufacturers had instructions saying to add a concrete collar
around the pipe to make it traffic rated. They had an elevation view
which appeared to show just a concrete ring around the culvert pipe.
They didn't *sell* a concrete ring, so I wondered if you're just
supposed to pour it. Maybe put in two concentric pipes and pour
between them? That ought to be strong enough to park a truck on.
I'm not saying legs are a bad ideamaybe saves horsing around with
concrete.
-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: 8/23/2017 11:18:10 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
Yes, some kind of tab to keep it centered. Perhaps some legs that
would go down the inside of the culvert with some small plates on the
end for feet to give it some more crush strength.
The legs would not have to be attached to the lid.
Not sure whether to make a hinged lid or keep it simple and cheap.
*From:* Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Wednesday, August 23, 2017 9:15 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
Some sort of studs on the bottom to position it on the pipe, perhaps?
-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/23/2017 11:14:39 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
I was planning a circular diamond plate cover. Something simple.
*From:* Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Wednesday, August 23, 2017 9:03 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
Yeah actually I just realized that 18" diameter is kind of tight for
a coil of OSP fiber. Do-able, but tight.
I guess the hunt continues. If you do make something, let us know.
-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/23/2017 10:57:28 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
I don’t want to do one that small. But this is ideal for a smaller
handhole. I really can’t add much value. Too bad they don’t do a
larger one.
*From:* Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Wednesday, August 23, 2017 8:56 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
Chuck,
The Hancor meter pit doesn't include a lid. Turns out it's just a
pre-cut piece of culvert pipe.
The meter pit lids I'm finding tend to be cast iron. They're heavy
and costs hundreds of dollars.
Not many plastic options, but I did find this polypropylene unit.
List price is $92. Gives you an 11" dia opening into an 18" pipe.
They also say 'water meter' on them. Maybe I'd have to grind that off.
If I add $30 for a 2' chunk of 18" culvert pipe I'm at $122 list.
Hypothetically speaking, what could your hypothetical product do
for me better than this one?
Asking because I'm interested, not trying to be snarky or anything.
-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/21/2017 10:11:04 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
Yep, that is what I made. HDPE Culvert.
*From:* Carl Peterson
*Sent:* Monday, August 21, 2017 7:59 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
Like this: http://www.hancor.com/product/meterpits.html
Seems like water meter pits might be a much cheaper option for
light duty:
http://www.dfwplasticsinc.com/products/brochures
On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 9:48 AM, Carl Peterson
<cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote:
Baltimore City is in the process of replacing all of its water
meters. For some of them, this involves replacing the "vault"
they are in as well. There is a construction lot near my
house where they store them and they look a lot like double
wall corrugated pipe with U cutouts in the bottom but are
clearly manufactured. Guessing they would be a whole lot
cheaper then real vaults. Not sure how they would work in a
greenway as the covers are usiualy set in concrete.
On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 9:33 AM, Chris Fabien
<ch...@lakenetmi.com> wrote:
This is the spec you're looking for. Note that they
certify the complete assembly so something based on
drainpioe may not
Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
When I was looking at the meter pits made from culvert pipe, one of the manufacturers had instructions saying to add a concrete collar around the pipe to make it traffic rated. They had an elevation view which appeared to show just a concrete ring around the culvert pipe. They didn't *sell* a concrete ring, so I wondered if you're just supposed to pour it. Maybe put in two concentric pipes and pour between them? That ought to be strong enough to park a truck on. I'm not saying legs are a bad ideamaybe saves horsing around with concrete. -- Original Message -- From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: 8/23/2017 11:18:10 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile Yes, some kind of tab to keep it centered. Perhaps some legs that would go down the inside of the culvert with some small plates on the end for feet to give it some more crush strength. The legs would not have to be attached to the lid. Not sure whether to make a hinged lid or keep it simple and cheap. From:Adam Moffett Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 9:15 AM To:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile Some sort of studs on the bottom to position it on the pipe, perhaps? -- Original Message -- From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: 8/23/2017 11:14:39 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile I was planning a circular diamond plate cover. Something simple. From:Adam Moffett Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 9:03 AM To:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile Yeah actually I just realized that 18" diameter is kind of tight for a coil of OSP fiber. Do-able, but tight. I guess the hunt continues. If you do make something, let us know. -- Original Message -- From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: 8/23/2017 10:57:28 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile I don’t want to do one that small. But this is ideal for a smaller handhole. I really can’t add much value. Too bad they don’t do a larger one. From:Adam Moffett Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 8:56 AM To:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile Chuck, The Hancor meter pit doesn't include a lid. Turns out it's just a pre-cut piece of culvert pipe. The meter pit lids I'm finding tend to be cast iron. They're heavy and costs hundreds of dollars. Not many plastic options, but I did find this polypropylene unit. List price is $92. Gives you an 11" dia opening into an 18" pipe. They also say 'water meter' on them. Maybe I'd have to grind that off. If I add $30 for a 2' chunk of 18" culvert pipe I'm at $122 list. Hypothetically speaking, what could your hypothetical product do for me better than this one? Asking because I'm interested, not trying to be snarky or anything. -- Original Message -- From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: 8/21/2017 10:11:04 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile Yep, that is what I made. HDPE Culvert. From:Carl Peterson Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 7:59 AM To:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile Like this: http://www.hancor.com/product/meterpits.html Seems like water meter pits might be a much cheaper option for light duty: http://www.dfwplasticsinc.com/products/brochures On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 9:48 AM, Carl Peterson <cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote: Baltimore City is in the process of replacing all of its water meters. For some of them, this involves replacing the "vault" they are in as well. There is a construction lot near my house where they store them and they look a lot like double wall corrugated pipe with U cutouts in the bottom but are clearly manufactured. Guessing they would be a whole lot cheaper then real vaults. Not sure how they would work in a greenway as the covers are usiualy set in concrete. On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 9:33 AM, Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com> wrote: This is the spec you're looking for. Note that they certify the complete assembly so something based on drainpioe may not really pass the spec. But we would atill be interested. We just had to replace a plastic handhole last week cause a tractor or something drove over it. Something strong but cheaper than a $200 polymer concrete handhole would be ideal. We don't have to prove compliance to a certian spec in our area. On Aug 20, 2017 10:08 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: I am thinking that if I put in some legs that would fit inside the culvert and if the lid was about 6” wider than the culvert all the way round, both the lip and the legs would be pretty strong if someone drove over it. I need some my self. Sounds like a worthy project to resurrect. Have to look up the method for rating hand holes. Something about tire widths and forces. I know with t
Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
Yes, some kind of tab to keep it centered. Perhaps some legs that would go
down the inside of the culvert with some small plates on the end for feet to
give it some more crush strength.
The legs would not have to be attached to the lid.
Not sure whether to make a hinged lid or keep it simple and cheap.
From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 9:15 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
Some sort of studs on the bottom to position it on the pipe, perhaps?
-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/23/2017 11:14:39 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
I was planning a circular diamond plate cover. Something simple.
From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 9:03 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
Yeah actually I just realized that 18" diameter is kind of tight for a coil
of OSP fiber. Do-able, but tight.
I guess the hunt continues. If you do make something, let us know.
-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/23/2017 10:57:28 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
I don’t want to do one that small. But this is ideal for a smaller
handhole. I really can’t add much value. Too bad they don’t do a larger one.
From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 8:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
Chuck,
The Hancor meter pit doesn't include a lid. Turns out it's just a pre-cut
piece of culvert pipe.
The meter pit lids I'm finding tend to be cast iron. They're heavy and
costs hundreds of dollars.
Not many plastic options, but I did find this polypropylene unit. List
price is $92. Gives you an 11" dia opening into an 18" pipe.
They also say 'water meter' on them. Maybe I'd have to grind that off.
If I add $30 for a 2' chunk of 18" culvert pipe I'm at $122 list.
Hypothetically speaking, what could your hypothetical product do for me
better than this one?
Asking because I'm interested, not trying to be snarky or anything.
-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/21/2017 10:11:04 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
Yep, that is what I made. HDPE Culvert.
From: Carl Peterson
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 7:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
Like this: http://www.hancor.com/product/meterpits.html
Seems like water meter pits might be a much cheaper option for light duty:
http://www.dfwplasticsinc.com/products/brochures
On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 9:48 AM, Carl Peterson
<cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote:
Baltimore City is in the process of replacing all of its water meters.
For some of them, this involves replacing the "vault" they are in as well.
There is a construction lot near my house where they store them and they look a
lot like double wall corrugated pipe with U cutouts in the bottom but are
clearly manufactured. Guessing they would be a whole lot cheaper then real
vaults. Not sure how they would work in a greenway as the covers are usiualy
set in concrete.
On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 9:33 AM, Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com>
wrote:
This is the spec you're looking for. Note that they certify the
complete assembly so something based on drainpioe may not really pass the
spec. But we would atill be interested. We just had to replace a plastic
handhole last week cause a tractor or something drove over it. Something
strong but cheaper than a $200 polymer concrete handhole would be ideal. We
don't have to prove compliance to a certian spec in our area.
On Aug 20, 2017 10:08 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
I am thinking that if I put in some legs that would fit inside the
culvert and if the lid was about 6” wider than the culvert all the way round,
both the lip and the legs would be pretty strong if someone drove over it.
I need some my self. Sounds like a worthy project to resurrect.
Have to look up the method for rating hand holes. Something about tire widths
and forces. I know with the polymer concrete you elevate the lid and drive a
truck of certain weight on it and it cannot break. Not sure where I found that
reference. I think it was some kind of DOT document.
From: Chris Fabien
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 6:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
We would be interested in a 24" version.
On Aug 20, 2017 8:50 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
Some sort of studs on the bottom to position it on the pipe, perhaps? -- Original Message -- From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: 8/23/2017 11:14:39 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile I was planning a circular diamond plate cover. Something simple. From:Adam Moffett Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 9:03 AM To:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile Yeah actually I just realized that 18" diameter is kind of tight for a coil of OSP fiber. Do-able, but tight. I guess the hunt continues. If you do make something, let us know. -- Original Message -- From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: 8/23/2017 10:57:28 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile I don’t want to do one that small. But this is ideal for a smaller handhole. I really can’t add much value. Too bad they don’t do a larger one. From:Adam Moffett Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 8:56 AM To:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile Chuck, The Hancor meter pit doesn't include a lid. Turns out it's just a pre-cut piece of culvert pipe. The meter pit lids I'm finding tend to be cast iron. They're heavy and costs hundreds of dollars. Not many plastic options, but I did find this polypropylene unit. List price is $92. Gives you an 11" dia opening into an 18" pipe. They also say 'water meter' on them. Maybe I'd have to grind that off. If I add $30 for a 2' chunk of 18" culvert pipe I'm at $122 list. Hypothetically speaking, what could your hypothetical product do for me better than this one? Asking because I'm interested, not trying to be snarky or anything. -- Original Message -- From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: 8/21/2017 10:11:04 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile Yep, that is what I made. HDPE Culvert. From:Carl Peterson Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 7:59 AM To:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile Like this: http://www.hancor.com/product/meterpits.html Seems like water meter pits might be a much cheaper option for light duty: http://www.dfwplasticsinc.com/products/brochures On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 9:48 AM, Carl Peterson <cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote: Baltimore City is in the process of replacing all of its water meters. For some of them, this involves replacing the "vault" they are in as well. There is a construction lot near my house where they store them and they look a lot like double wall corrugated pipe with U cutouts in the bottom but are clearly manufactured. Guessing they would be a whole lot cheaper then real vaults. Not sure how they would work in a greenway as the covers are usiualy set in concrete. On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 9:33 AM, Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com> wrote: This is the spec you're looking for. Note that they certify the complete assembly so something based on drainpioe may not really pass the spec. But we would atill be interested. We just had to replace a plastic handhole last week cause a tractor or something drove over it. Something strong but cheaper than a $200 polymer concrete handhole would be ideal. We don't have to prove compliance to a certian spec in our area. On Aug 20, 2017 10:08 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: I am thinking that if I put in some legs that would fit inside the culvert and if the lid was about 6” wider than the culvert all the way round, both the lip and the legs would be pretty strong if someone drove over it. I need some my self. Sounds like a worthy project to resurrect. Have to look up the method for rating hand holes. Something about tire widths and forces. I know with the polymer concrete you elevate the lid and drive a truck of certain weight on it and it cannot break. Not sure where I found that reference. I think it was some kind of DOT document. From:Chris Fabien Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 6:56 PM To:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile We would be interested in a 24" version. On Aug 20, 2017 8:50 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: I did a 24” version too. But if you are splicing a couple of 288 strands the splice case is pretty large. From:Adam Moffett Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 5:49 PM To:af@afmug.com ; af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile 36" diameter? That's a big honkin handhole. What are you guys putting into these hand holes? ------ Original Message -- From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: 8/20/2017 5:56:37 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile I was making handhole components a few years ago. Not a big money maker. But handholes are simply too expensive. I came up with some alternate designs, like a slice of 36” plastic conduit. Made a lid to go over it
Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
I was planning a circular diamond plate cover. Something simple.
From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 9:03 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
Yeah actually I just realized that 18" diameter is kind of tight for a coil of
OSP fiber. Do-able, but tight.
I guess the hunt continues. If you do make something, let us know.
-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/23/2017 10:57:28 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
I don’t want to do one that small. But this is ideal for a smaller handhole.
I really can’t add much value. Too bad they don’t do a larger one.
From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 8:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
Chuck,
The Hancor meter pit doesn't include a lid. Turns out it's just a pre-cut
piece of culvert pipe.
The meter pit lids I'm finding tend to be cast iron. They're heavy and costs
hundreds of dollars.
Not many plastic options, but I did find this polypropylene unit. List price
is $92. Gives you an 11" dia opening into an 18" pipe.
They also say 'water meter' on them. Maybe I'd have to grind that off.
If I add $30 for a 2' chunk of 18" culvert pipe I'm at $122 list.
Hypothetically speaking, what could your hypothetical product do for me
better than this one?
Asking because I'm interested, not trying to be snarky or anything.
-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/21/2017 10:11:04 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
Yep, that is what I made. HDPE Culvert.
From: Carl Peterson
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 7:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
Like this: http://www.hancor.com/product/meterpits.html
Seems like water meter pits might be a much cheaper option for light duty:
http://www.dfwplasticsinc.com/products/brochures
On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 9:48 AM, Carl Peterson <cpeter...@portnetworks.com>
wrote:
Baltimore City is in the process of replacing all of its water meters.
For some of them, this involves replacing the "vault" they are in as well.
There is a construction lot near my house where they store them and they look a
lot like double wall corrugated pipe with U cutouts in the bottom but are
clearly manufactured. Guessing they would be a whole lot cheaper then real
vaults. Not sure how they would work in a greenway as the covers are usiualy
set in concrete.
On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 9:33 AM, Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com> wrote:
This is the spec you're looking for. Note that they certify the
complete assembly so something based on drainpioe may not really pass the
spec. But we would atill be interested. We just had to replace a plastic
handhole last week cause a tractor or something drove over it. Something
strong but cheaper than a $200 polymer concrete handhole would be ideal. We
don't have to prove compliance to a certian spec in our area.
On Aug 20, 2017 10:08 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
I am thinking that if I put in some legs that would fit inside the
culvert and if the lid was about 6” wider than the culvert all the way round,
both the lip and the legs would be pretty strong if someone drove over it.
I need some my self. Sounds like a worthy project to resurrect.
Have to look up the method for rating hand holes. Something about tire widths
and forces. I know with the polymer concrete you elevate the lid and drive a
truck of certain weight on it and it cannot break. Not sure where I found that
reference. I think it was some kind of DOT document.
From: Chris Fabien
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 6:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
We would be interested in a 24" version.
On Aug 20, 2017 8:50 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
I did a 24” version too. But if you are splicing a couple of 288
strands the splice case is pretty large.
From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 5:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com ; af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
36" diameter? That's a big honkin handhole. What are you guys
putting into these hand holes?
-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/20/2017 5:56:37 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
I was making handhole components a few years ago. Not a big
money maker. But handholes are simply too expensive.
Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
Yeah actually I just realized that 18" diameter is kind of tight for a coil of OSP fiber. Do-able, but tight. I guess the hunt continues. If you do make something, let us know. -- Original Message -- From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: 8/23/2017 10:57:28 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile I don’t want to do one that small. But this is ideal for a smaller handhole. I really can’t add much value. Too bad they don’t do a larger one. From:Adam Moffett Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 8:56 AM To:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile Chuck, The Hancor meter pit doesn't include a lid. Turns out it's just a pre-cut piece of culvert pipe. The meter pit lids I'm finding tend to be cast iron. They're heavy and costs hundreds of dollars. Not many plastic options, but I did find this polypropylene unit. List price is $92. Gives you an 11" dia opening into an 18" pipe. They also say 'water meter' on them. Maybe I'd have to grind that off. If I add $30 for a 2' chunk of 18" culvert pipe I'm at $122 list. Hypothetically speaking, what could your hypothetical product do for me better than this one? Asking because I'm interested, not trying to be snarky or anything. -- Original Message -- From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: 8/21/2017 10:11:04 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile Yep, that is what I made. HDPE Culvert. From:Carl Peterson Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 7:59 AM To:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile Like this: http://www.hancor.com/product/meterpits.html Seems like water meter pits might be a much cheaper option for light duty: http://www.dfwplasticsinc.com/products/brochures On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 9:48 AM, Carl Peterson <cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote: Baltimore City is in the process of replacing all of its water meters. For some of them, this involves replacing the "vault" they are in as well. There is a construction lot near my house where they store them and they look a lot like double wall corrugated pipe with U cutouts in the bottom but are clearly manufactured. Guessing they would be a whole lot cheaper then real vaults. Not sure how they would work in a greenway as the covers are usiualy set in concrete. On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 9:33 AM, Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com> wrote: This is the spec you're looking for. Note that they certify the complete assembly so something based on drainpioe may not really pass the spec. But we would atill be interested. We just had to replace a plastic handhole last week cause a tractor or something drove over it. Something strong but cheaper than a $200 polymer concrete handhole would be ideal. We don't have to prove compliance to a certian spec in our area. On Aug 20, 2017 10:08 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: I am thinking that if I put in some legs that would fit inside the culvert and if the lid was about 6” wider than the culvert all the way round, both the lip and the legs would be pretty strong if someone drove over it. I need some my self. Sounds like a worthy project to resurrect. Have to look up the method for rating hand holes. Something about tire widths and forces. I know with the polymer concrete you elevate the lid and drive a truck of certain weight on it and it cannot break. Not sure where I found that reference. I think it was some kind of DOT document. From:Chris Fabien Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 6:56 PM To:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile We would be interested in a 24" version. On Aug 20, 2017 8:50 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: I did a 24” version too. But if you are splicing a couple of 288 strands the splice case is pretty large. From:Adam Moffett Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 5:49 PM To:af@afmug.com ; af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile 36" diameter? That's a big honkin handhole. What are you guys putting into these hand holes? -- Original Message -- From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: 8/20/2017 5:56:37 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile I was making handhole components a few years ago. Not a big money maker. But handholes are simply too expensive. I came up with some alternate designs, like a slice of 36” plastic conduit. Made a lid to go over it. Maybe I ought to revisit that project. The world needs lower cost hand holes. From:George Skorup Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:46 PM To:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile We're looking at doing a neighborhood where we have wireless now. Private association of about 40 homes. The president is also an electrical contractor and has helped us on other non-fiber stuff in the past. So at least we can
Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
I use sprinkler valve boxes for some customer drops, the price is definitely right. On Monday, August 21, 2017, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: > I wonder what Hancor charges for these "meter pits" > > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ch...@wbmfg.com');>> > To: af@afmug.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');> > Sent: 8/21/2017 10:11:04 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile > > Yep, that is what I made. HDPE Culvert. > > *From:* Carl Peterson > *Sent:* Monday, August 21, 2017 7:59 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile > > Like this: http://www.hancor.com/product/meterpits.html > > Seems like water meter pits might be a much cheaper option for light duty: > > http://www.dfwplasticsinc.com/products/brochures > > > > On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 9:48 AM, Carl Peterson <cpeter...@portnetworks.com > > wrote: > >> Baltimore City is in the process of replacing all of its water meters. >> For some of them, this involves replacing the "vault" they are in as well. >> There is a construction lot near my house where they store them and they >> look a lot like double wall corrugated pipe with U cutouts in the bottom >> but are clearly manufactured. Guessing they would be a whole lot cheaper >> then real vaults. Not sure how they would work in a greenway as the covers >> are usiualy set in concrete. >> >> On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 9:33 AM, Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com> >> wrote: >> >>> This is the spec you're looking for. Note that they certify the >>> complete assembly so something based on drainpioe may not really pass the >>> spec. But we would atill be interested. We just had to replace a plastic >>> handhole last week cause a tractor or something drove over it. Something >>> strong but cheaper than a $200 polymer concrete handhole would be >>> ideal. We don't have to prove compliance to a certian spec in our area. >>> >>> On Aug 20, 2017 10:08 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I am thinking that if I put in some legs that would fit inside the >>>> culvert and if the lid was about 6” wider than the culvert all the way >>>> round, both the lip and the legs would be pretty strong if someone drove >>>> over it. >>>> >>>> I need some my self. Sounds like a worthy project to resurrect. Have >>>> to look up the method for rating hand holes. Something about tire widths >>>> and forces. I know with the polymer concrete you elevate the lid and drive >>>> a truck of certain weight on it and it cannot break. Not sure where I >>>> found that reference. I think it was some kind of DOT document. >>>> >>>> *From:* Chris Fabien >>>> *Sent:* Sunday, August 20, 2017 6:56 PM >>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile >>>> >>>> We would be interested in a 24" version. >>>> >>>> On Aug 20, 2017 8:50 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I did a 24” version too. But if you are splicing a couple of 288 >>>>> strands the splice case is pretty large. >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Adam Moffett >>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, August 20, 2017 5:49 PM >>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com ; af@afmug.com >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile >>>>> >>>>> 36" diameter? That's a big honkin handhole. What are you guys putting >>>>> into these hand holes? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- Original Message -- >>>>> From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> >>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>> Sent: 8/20/2017 5:56:37 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I was making handhole components a few years ago. Not a big money >>>>> maker. But handholes are simply too expensive. I came up with some >>>>> alternate designs, like a slice of 36” plastic conduit. Made a lid to go >>>>> over it. Maybe I ought to revisit that project. The world needs lower >>>>> cost hand holes. >>>>> >>>>> *From:* George Skorup >>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:46 PM >
Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
Yep, that is what I made. HDPE Culvert.
From: Carl Peterson
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 7:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
Like this: http://www.hancor.com/product/meterpits.html
Seems like water meter pits might be a much cheaper option for light duty:
http://www.dfwplasticsinc.com/products/brochures
On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 9:48 AM, Carl Peterson <cpeter...@portnetworks.com>
wrote:
Baltimore City is in the process of replacing all of its water meters. For
some of them, this involves replacing the "vault" they are in as well. There
is a construction lot near my house where they store them and they look a lot
like double wall corrugated pipe with U cutouts in the bottom but are clearly
manufactured. Guessing they would be a whole lot cheaper then real vaults.
Not sure how they would work in a greenway as the covers are usiualy set in
concrete.
On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 9:33 AM, Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com> wrote:
This is the spec you're looking for. Note that they certify the complete
assembly so something based on drainpioe may not really pass the spec. But we
would atill be interested. We just had to replace a plastic handhole last week
cause a tractor or something drove over it. Something strong but cheaper
than a $200 polymer concrete handhole would be ideal. We don't have to prove
compliance to a certian spec in our area.
On Aug 20, 2017 10:08 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
I am thinking that if I put in some legs that would fit inside the
culvert and if the lid was about 6” wider than the culvert all the way round,
both the lip and the legs would be pretty strong if someone drove over it.
I need some my self. Sounds like a worthy project to resurrect. Have to
look up the method for rating hand holes. Something about tire widths and
forces. I know with the polymer concrete you elevate the lid and drive a truck
of certain weight on it and it cannot break. Not sure where I found that
reference. I think it was some kind of DOT document.
From: Chris Fabien
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 6:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
We would be interested in a 24" version.
On Aug 20, 2017 8:50 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
I did a 24” version too. But if you are splicing a couple of 288
strands the splice case is pretty large.
From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 5:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com ; af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
36" diameter? That's a big honkin handhole. What are you guys putting
into these hand holes?
-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/20/2017 5:56:37 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
I was making handhole components a few years ago. Not a big money
maker. But handholes are simply too expensive. I came up with some alternate
designs, like a slice of 36” plastic conduit. Made a lid to go over it. Maybe
I ought to revisit that project. The world needs lower cost hand holes.
From: George Skorup
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
We're looking at doing a neighborhood where we have wireless now.
Private association of about 40 homes. The president is also an electrical
contractor and has helped us on other non-fiber stuff in the past. So at least
we can get duct at his cost. Looking like about 6250 feet of duct and 21 or 22
handholes. Probably going to follow Chuck Hogg's strategy with 1x4 PLCs in the
splice cases fed by PLCs at the cabinet. My rough guestimates are around
$25-27k before putting it in the ground or customer drops. We figure we can
make a business case with a $1k install.
On 8/20/2017 12:31 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
It does include the fiber, but not electronics or splice closures.
Just fiber, associated mounting hardware, and guy wires/anchors.
On Saturday, August 19, 2017, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Drops were anywhere from 150' to 1600'. The long ones naturally
pushed up the average quite a bit.
On the feed down the road it's $1.80/foot plus the cable. The
contractor is supplying all material except the cable itself and honestlyI
don't recall how much of that was labor vs material. We did have to add 4
poles, so there's that in the $17,000/mile. And that also includes splice
enclosures, switches, optics, switch enclosure, and electric installation at
the switch enclosure.
Does your $1/ft in materials include the actual fiber? If n
Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
Like this: http://www.hancor.com/product/meterpits.html Seems like water meter pits might be a much cheaper option for light duty: http://www.dfwplasticsinc.com/products/brochures On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 9:48 AM, Carl Peterson <cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote: > Baltimore City is in the process of replacing all of its water meters. > For some of them, this involves replacing the "vault" they are in as well. > There is a construction lot near my house where they store them and they > look a lot like double wall corrugated pipe with U cutouts in the bottom > but are clearly manufactured. Guessing they would be a whole lot cheaper > then real vaults. Not sure how they would work in a greenway as the covers > are usiualy set in concrete. > > On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 9:33 AM, Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com> wrote: > >> This is the spec you're looking for. Note that they certify the complete >> assembly so something based on drainpioe may not really pass the spec. But >> we would atill be interested. We just had to replace a plastic handhole >> last week cause a tractor or something drove over it. Something strong >> but cheaper than a $200 polymer concrete handhole would be ideal. We >> don't have to prove compliance to a certian spec in our area. >> >> On Aug 20, 2017 10:08 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >> >>> I am thinking that if I put in some legs that would fit inside the >>> culvert and if the lid was about 6” wider than the culvert all the way >>> round, both the lip and the legs would be pretty strong if someone drove >>> over it. >>> >>> I need some my self. Sounds like a worthy project to resurrect. Have >>> to look up the method for rating hand holes. Something about tire widths >>> and forces. I know with the polymer concrete you elevate the lid and drive >>> a truck of certain weight on it and it cannot break. Not sure where I >>> found that reference. I think it was some kind of DOT document. >>> >>> *From:* Chris Fabien >>> *Sent:* Sunday, August 20, 2017 6:56 PM >>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile >>> >>> We would be interested in a 24" version. >>> >>> On Aug 20, 2017 8:50 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I did a 24” version too. But if you are splicing a couple of 288 >>>> strands the splice case is pretty large. >>>> >>>> *From:* Adam Moffett >>>> *Sent:* Sunday, August 20, 2017 5:49 PM >>>> *To:* af@afmug.com ; af@afmug.com >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile >>>> >>>> 36" diameter? That's a big honkin handhole. What are you guys putting >>>> into these hand holes? >>>> >>>> >>>> -- Original Message -- >>>> From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> >>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>> Sent: 8/20/2017 5:56:37 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile >>>> >>>> >>>> I was making handhole components a few years ago. Not a big money >>>> maker. But handholes are simply too expensive. I came up with some >>>> alternate designs, like a slice of 36” plastic conduit. Made a lid to go >>>> over it. Maybe I ought to revisit that project. The world needs lower >>>> cost hand holes. >>>> >>>> *From:* George Skorup >>>> *Sent:* Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:46 PM >>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile >>>> >>>> We're looking at doing a neighborhood where we have wireless now. >>>> Private association of about 40 homes. The president is also an electrical >>>> contractor and has helped us on other non-fiber stuff in the past. So at >>>> least we can get duct at his cost. Looking like about 6250 feet of duct and >>>> 21 or 22 handholes. Probably going to follow Chuck Hogg's strategy with 1x4 >>>> PLCs in the splice cases fed by PLCs at the cabinet. My rough guestimates >>>> are around $25-27k before putting it in the ground or customer drops. We >>>> figure we can make a business case with a $1k install. >>>> >>>> On 8/20/2017 12:31 PM, Jason McKemie wrote: >>>> >>>> It does include the fiber, but not electronics or splice closures. Just >>>> fiber, associated mounting hardware, and guy wires/anchors. >>>
Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
How about a photo? From: Carl Peterson Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 7:48 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile Baltimore City is in the process of replacing all of its water meters. For some of them, this involves replacing the "vault" they are in as well. There is a construction lot near my house where they store them and they look a lot like double wall corrugated pipe with U cutouts in the bottom but are clearly manufactured. Guessing they would be a whole lot cheaper then real vaults. Not sure how they would work in a greenway as the covers are usiualy set in concrete. On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 9:33 AM, Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com> wrote: This is the spec you're looking for. Note that they certify the complete assembly so something based on drainpioe may not really pass the spec. But we would atill be interested. We just had to replace a plastic handhole last week cause a tractor or something drove over it. Something strong but cheaper than a $200 polymer concrete handhole would be ideal. We don't have to prove compliance to a certian spec in our area. On Aug 20, 2017 10:08 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: I am thinking that if I put in some legs that would fit inside the culvert and if the lid was about 6” wider than the culvert all the way round, both the lip and the legs would be pretty strong if someone drove over it. I need some my self. Sounds like a worthy project to resurrect. Have to look up the method for rating hand holes. Something about tire widths and forces. I know with the polymer concrete you elevate the lid and drive a truck of certain weight on it and it cannot break. Not sure where I found that reference. I think it was some kind of DOT document. From: Chris Fabien Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 6:56 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile We would be interested in a 24" version. On Aug 20, 2017 8:50 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: I did a 24” version too. But if you are splicing a couple of 288 strands the splice case is pretty large. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 5:49 PM To: af@afmug.com ; af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile 36" diameter? That's a big honkin handhole. What are you guys putting into these hand holes? -- Original Message -- From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: 8/20/2017 5:56:37 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile I was making handhole components a few years ago. Not a big money maker. But handholes are simply too expensive. I came up with some alternate designs, like a slice of 36” plastic conduit. Made a lid to go over it. Maybe I ought to revisit that project. The world needs lower cost hand holes. From: George Skorup Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:46 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile We're looking at doing a neighborhood where we have wireless now. Private association of about 40 homes. The president is also an electrical contractor and has helped us on other non-fiber stuff in the past. So at least we can get duct at his cost. Looking like about 6250 feet of duct and 21 or 22 handholes. Probably going to follow Chuck Hogg's strategy with 1x4 PLCs in the splice cases fed by PLCs at the cabinet. My rough guestimates are around $25-27k before putting it in the ground or customer drops. We figure we can make a business case with a $1k install. On 8/20/2017 12:31 PM, Jason McKemie wrote: It does include the fiber, but not electronics or splice closures. Just fiber, associated mounting hardware, and guy wires/anchors. On Saturday, August 19, 2017, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: Drops were anywhere from 150' to 1600'. The long ones naturally pushed up the average quite a bit. On the feed down the road it's $1.80/foot plus the cable. The contractor is supplying all material except the cable itself and honestlyI don't recall how much of that was labor vs material. We did have to add 4 poles, so there's that in the $17,000/mile. And that also includes splice enclosures, switches, optics, switch enclosure, and electric installation at the switch enclosure. Does your $1/ft in materials include the actual fiber? If not, then we're very close. If it does then I have to sharpen the pencil quite a bit. -- Original Message -- From: "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> To: "javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');" <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');> Sent: 8/19/2017 3:49:
Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
Thanks, I had not seed this document before. There is another one from the
DOT highway folks.
I wish I could get handholes for $200. By the time you buy handhole and lid it
is more like $235 (24x36)
From: Chris Fabien
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 7:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
This is the spec you're looking for. Note that they certify the complete
assembly so something based on drainpioe may not really pass the spec. But we
would atill be interested. We just had to replace a plastic handhole last week
cause a tractor or something drove over it. Something strong but cheaper
than a $200 polymer concrete handhole would be ideal. We don't have to prove
compliance to a certian spec in our area.
On Aug 20, 2017 10:08 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
I am thinking that if I put in some legs that would fit inside the culvert
and if the lid was about 6” wider than the culvert all the way round, both the
lip and the legs would be pretty strong if someone drove over it.
I need some my self. Sounds like a worthy project to resurrect. Have to
look up the method for rating hand holes. Something about tire widths and
forces. I know with the polymer concrete you elevate the lid and drive a truck
of certain weight on it and it cannot break. Not sure where I found that
reference. I think it was some kind of DOT document.
From: Chris Fabien
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 6:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
We would be interested in a 24" version.
On Aug 20, 2017 8:50 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
I did a 24” version too. But if you are splicing a couple of 288 strands
the splice case is pretty large.
From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 5:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com ; af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
36" diameter? That's a big honkin handhole. What are you guys putting into
these hand holes?
-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/20/2017 5:56:37 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
I was making handhole components a few years ago. Not a big money maker.
But handholes are simply too expensive. I came up with some alternate
designs, like a slice of 36” plastic conduit. Made a lid to go over it. Maybe
I ought to revisit that project. The world needs lower cost hand holes.
From: George Skorup
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
We're looking at doing a neighborhood where we have wireless now. Private
association of about 40 homes. The president is also an electrical contractor
and has helped us on other non-fiber stuff in the past. So at least we can get
duct at his cost. Looking like about 6250 feet of duct and 21 or 22 handholes.
Probably going to follow Chuck Hogg's strategy with 1x4 PLCs in the splice
cases fed by PLCs at the cabinet. My rough guestimates are around $25-27k
before putting it in the ground or customer drops. We figure we can make a
business case with a $1k install.
On 8/20/2017 12:31 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
It does include the fiber, but not electronics or splice closures. Just
fiber, associated mounting hardware, and guy wires/anchors.
On Saturday, August 19, 2017, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
Drops were anywhere from 150' to 1600'. The long ones naturally
pushed up the average quite a bit.
On the feed down the road it's $1.80/foot plus the cable. The
contractor is supplying all material except the cable itself and honestlyI
don't recall how much of that was labor vs material. We did have to add 4
poles, so there's that in the $17,000/mile. And that also includes splice
enclosures, switches, optics, switch enclosure, and electric installation at
the switch enclosure.
Does your $1/ft in materials include the actual fiber? If not, then
we're very close. If it does then I have to sharpen the pencil quite a bit.
-- Original Message --
From: "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
To: "javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');"
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');>
Sent: 8/19/2017 3:49:07 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
How long are the drops? Labor for main runs cost me about $.75/ft
last time I did it, plus around $1/ft in materials. I didn't have to do much
make ready though, that can add up quickly. I think my drops cost me roughly
$1/ft since I'm doing them myself now.
On Saturday, August 19, 2017, Adam Moffett
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dmmoff...@gmail.com');> wrote:
Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
Name it the 'Stinger':-) Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Aug 20, 2017, at 10:08 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > > I am thinking that if I put in some legs that would fit inside the culvert > and if the lid was about 6” wider than the culvert all the way round, both > the lip and the legs would be pretty strong if someone drove over it. > > I need some my self. Sounds like a worthy project to resurrect. Have to > look up the method for rating hand holes. Something about tire widths and > forces. I know with the polymer concrete you elevate the lid and drive a > truck of certain weight on it and it cannot break. Not sure where I found > that reference. I think it was some kind of DOT document. > > From: Chris Fabien > Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 6:56 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile > > We would be interested in a 24" version. > >> On Aug 20, 2017 8:50 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >> I did a 24” version too. But if you are splicing a couple of 288 strands the >> splice case is pretty large. >> >> From: Adam Moffett >> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 5:49 PM >> To: af@afmug.com ; af@afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile >> >> 36" diameter? That's a big honkin handhole. What are you guys putting into >> these hand holes? >> >> >> -- Original Message -- >> From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> >> To: af@afmug.com >> Sent: 8/20/2017 5:56:37 PM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile >> >>> I was making handhole components a few years ago. Not a big money maker. >>> But handholes are simply too expensive. I came up with some alternate >>> designs, like a slice of 36” plastic conduit. Made a lid to go over it. >>> Maybe I ought to revisit that project. The world needs lower cost hand >>> holes. >>> >>> From: George Skorup >>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:46 PM >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile >>> >>> We're looking at doing a neighborhood where we have wireless now. Private >>> association of about 40 homes. The president is also an electrical >>> contractor and has helped us on other non-fiber stuff in the past. So at >>> least we can get duct at his cost. Looking like about 6250 feet of duct and >>> 21 or 22 handholes. Probably going to follow Chuck Hogg's strategy with 1x4 >>> PLCs in the splice cases fed by PLCs at the cabinet. My rough guestimates >>> are around $25-27k before putting it in the ground or customer drops. We >>> figure we can make a business case with a $1k install. >>> >>>> On 8/20/2017 12:31 PM, Jason McKemie wrote: >>>> It does include the fiber, but not electronics or splice closures. Just >>>> fiber, associated mounting hardware, and guy wires/anchors. >>>> >>>>> On Saturday, August 19, 2017, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> Drops were anywhere from 150' to 1600'. The long ones naturally pushed >>>>> up the average quite a bit. >>>>> >>>>> On the feed down the road it's $1.80/foot plus the cable. The contractor >>>>> is supplying all material except the cable itself and honestlyI don't >>>>> recall how much of that was labor vs material. We did have to add 4 >>>>> poles, so there's that in the $17,000/mile. And that also includes >>>>> splice enclosures, switches, optics, switch enclosure, and electric >>>>> installation at the switch enclosure. >>>>> >>>>> Does your $1/ft in materials include the actual fiber? If not, then >>>>> we're very close. If it does then I have to sharpen the pencil quite a >>>>> bit. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- Original Message -- >>>>> From: "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> >>>>> To: "javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');" >>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');> >>>>> Sent: 8/19/2017 3:49:07 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile >>>>> >>>>>> How long are the drops? Labor for main runs cost me about $.75/ft last >>>>>> time I did it, plus around $1/ft in materials. I didn't have to do much &g
Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
I am thinking that if I put in some legs that would fit inside the culvert and
if the lid was about 6” wider than the culvert all the way round, both the lip
and the legs would be pretty strong if someone drove over it.
I need some my self. Sounds like a worthy project to resurrect. Have to look
up the method for rating hand holes. Something about tire widths and forces.
I know with the polymer concrete you elevate the lid and drive a truck of
certain weight on it and it cannot break. Not sure where I found that
reference. I think it was some kind of DOT document.
From: Chris Fabien
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 6:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
We would be interested in a 24" version.
On Aug 20, 2017 8:50 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
I did a 24” version too. But if you are splicing a couple of 288 strands the
splice case is pretty large.
From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 5:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com ; af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
36" diameter? That's a big honkin handhole. What are you guys putting into
these hand holes?
-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/20/2017 5:56:37 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
I was making handhole components a few years ago. Not a big money maker.
But handholes are simply too expensive. I came up with some alternate designs,
like a slice of 36” plastic conduit. Made a lid to go over it. Maybe I ought
to revisit that project. The world needs lower cost hand holes.
From: George Skorup
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
We're looking at doing a neighborhood where we have wireless now. Private
association of about 40 homes. The president is also an electrical contractor
and has helped us on other non-fiber stuff in the past. So at least we can get
duct at his cost. Looking like about 6250 feet of duct and 21 or 22 handholes.
Probably going to follow Chuck Hogg's strategy with 1x4 PLCs in the splice
cases fed by PLCs at the cabinet. My rough guestimates are around $25-27k
before putting it in the ground or customer drops. We figure we can make a
business case with a $1k install.
On 8/20/2017 12:31 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
It does include the fiber, but not electronics or splice closures. Just
fiber, associated mounting hardware, and guy wires/anchors.
On Saturday, August 19, 2017, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
Drops were anywhere from 150' to 1600'. The long ones naturally pushed
up the average quite a bit.
On the feed down the road it's $1.80/foot plus the cable. The
contractor is supplying all material except the cable itself and honestlyI
don't recall how much of that was labor vs material. We did have to add 4
poles, so there's that in the $17,000/mile. And that also includes splice
enclosures, switches, optics, switch enclosure, and electric installation at
the switch enclosure.
Does your $1/ft in materials include the actual fiber? If not, then
we're very close. If it does then I have to sharpen the pencil quite a bit.
-- Original Message --
From: "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
To: "javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');"
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');>
Sent: 8/19/2017 3:49:07 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
How long are the drops? Labor for main runs cost me about $.75/ft
last time I did it, plus around $1/ft in materials. I didn't have to do much
make ready though, that can add up quickly. I think my drops cost me roughly
$1/ft since I'm doing them myself now.
On Saturday, August 19, 2017, Adam Moffett
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dmmoff...@gmail.com');> wrote:
I'm at $17,000 per mile on a recent active E deployment. Each
customer installation averaged $900. This is rural, so lots of long drops.
I guess I'm looking over to the next stall to see how mine measures
up to yours.
-- Original Message --
From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 8/19/2017 9:55:20 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
So after the dust has settled on completed projects, what sort of
money have you ended up spending per mile?
How much per customer installation?
Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
We would be interested in a 24" version. On Aug 20, 2017 8:50 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > I did a 24” version too. But if you are splicing a couple of 288 strands > the splice case is pretty large. > > *From:* Adam Moffett > *Sent:* Sunday, August 20, 2017 5:49 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com ; af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile > > 36" diameter? That's a big honkin handhole. What are you guys putting > into these hand holes? > > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: 8/20/2017 5:56:37 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile > > > I was making handhole components a few years ago. Not a big money maker. > But handholes are simply too expensive. I came up with some alternate > designs, like a slice of 36” plastic conduit. Made a lid to go over it. > Maybe I ought to revisit that project. The world needs lower cost hand > holes. > > *From:* George Skorup > *Sent:* Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:46 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile > > We're looking at doing a neighborhood where we have wireless now. Private > association of about 40 homes. The president is also an electrical > contractor and has helped us on other non-fiber stuff in the past. So at > least we can get duct at his cost. Looking like about 6250 feet of duct and > 21 or 22 handholes. Probably going to follow Chuck Hogg's strategy with 1x4 > PLCs in the splice cases fed by PLCs at the cabinet. My rough guestimates > are around $25-27k before putting it in the ground or customer drops. We > figure we can make a business case with a $1k install. > > On 8/20/2017 12:31 PM, Jason McKemie wrote: > > It does include the fiber, but not electronics or splice closures. Just > fiber, associated mounting hardware, and guy wires/anchors. > > On Saturday, August 19, 2017, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Drops were anywhere from 150' to 1600'. The long ones naturally pushed >> up the average quite a bit. >> >> On the feed down the road it's $1.80/foot plus the cable. The contractor >> is supplying all material except the cable itself and honestlyI don't >> recall how much of that was labor vs material. We did have to add 4 poles, >> so there's that in the $17,000/mile. And that also includes splice >> enclosures, switches, optics, switch enclosure, and electric installation >> at the switch enclosure. >> >> Does your $1/ft in materials include the actual fiber? If not, then >> we're very close. If it does then I have to sharpen the pencil quite a bit. >> >> >> >> -- Original Message -- >> From: "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> >> To: "javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');" < >> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');> >> Sent: 8/19/2017 3:49:07 PM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile >> >> >> How long are the drops? Labor for main runs cost me about $.75/ft last >> time I did it, plus around $1/ft in materials. I didn't have to do much >> make ready though, that can add up quickly. I think my drops cost me >> roughly $1/ft since I'm doing them myself now. >> >> On Saturday, August 19, 2017, Adam Moffett <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',' >> dmmoff...@gmail.com');> wrote: >> >>> I'm at $17,000 per mile on a recent active E deployment. Each customer >>> installation averaged $900. This is rural, so lots of long drops. >>> >>> I guess I'm looking over to the next stall to see how mine measures up >>> to yours. >>> >>> >>> -- Original Message -- >>> From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> >>> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> >>> Sent: 8/19/2017 9:55:20 AM >>> Subject: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile >>> >>> >>> So after the dust has settled on completed projects, what sort of money >>> have you ended up spending per mile? >>> How much per customer installation? >>> >>> >>> >>> >
Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
I did a 24” version too. But if you are splicing a couple of 288 strands the splice case is pretty large. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 5:49 PM To: af@afmug.com ; af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile 36" diameter? That's a big honkin handhole. What are you guys putting into these hand holes? -- Original Message -- From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: 8/20/2017 5:56:37 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile I was making handhole components a few years ago. Not a big money maker. But handholes are simply too expensive. I came up with some alternate designs, like a slice of 36” plastic conduit. Made a lid to go over it. Maybe I ought to revisit that project. The world needs lower cost hand holes. From: George Skorup Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:46 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile We're looking at doing a neighborhood where we have wireless now. Private association of about 40 homes. The president is also an electrical contractor and has helped us on other non-fiber stuff in the past. So at least we can get duct at his cost. Looking like about 6250 feet of duct and 21 or 22 handholes. Probably going to follow Chuck Hogg's strategy with 1x4 PLCs in the splice cases fed by PLCs at the cabinet. My rough guestimates are around $25-27k before putting it in the ground or customer drops. We figure we can make a business case with a $1k install. On 8/20/2017 12:31 PM, Jason McKemie wrote: It does include the fiber, but not electronics or splice closures. Just fiber, associated mounting hardware, and guy wires/anchors. On Saturday, August 19, 2017, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: Drops were anywhere from 150' to 1600'. The long ones naturally pushed up the average quite a bit. On the feed down the road it's $1.80/foot plus the cable. The contractor is supplying all material except the cable itself and honestlyI don't recall how much of that was labor vs material. We did have to add 4 poles, so there's that in the $17,000/mile. And that also includes splice enclosures, switches, optics, switch enclosure, and electric installation at the switch enclosure. Does your $1/ft in materials include the actual fiber? If not, then we're very close. If it does then I have to sharpen the pencil quite a bit. -- Original Message -- From: "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> To: "javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');" <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');> Sent: 8/19/2017 3:49:07 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile How long are the drops? Labor for main runs cost me about $.75/ft last time I did it, plus around $1/ft in materials. I didn't have to do much make ready though, that can add up quickly. I think my drops cost me roughly $1/ft since I'm doing them myself now. On Saturday, August 19, 2017, Adam Moffett <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dmmoff...@gmail.com');> wrote: I'm at $17,000 per mile on a recent active E deployment. Each customer installation averaged $900. This is rural, so lots of long drops. I guess I'm looking over to the next stall to see how mine measures up to yours. -- Original Message -- From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> Sent: 8/19/2017 9:55:20 AM Subject: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile So after the dust has settled on completed projects, what sort of money have you ended up spending per mile? How much per customer installation?
Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
Carson 2200 rounds are cheap and seem to do the job - not traffic rated though. On Sunday, August 20, 2017, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > I was making handhole components a few years ago. Not a big money maker. > But handholes are simply too expensive. I came up with some alternate > designs, like a slice of 36” plastic conduit. Made a lid to go over it. > Maybe I ought to revisit that project. The world needs lower cost hand > holes. > > *From:* George Skorup > *Sent:* Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:46 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile > > We're looking at doing a neighborhood where we have wireless now. Private > association of about 40 homes. The president is also an electrical > contractor and has helped us on other non-fiber stuff in the past. So at > least we can get duct at his cost. Looking like about 6250 feet of duct and > 21 or 22 handholes. Probably going to follow Chuck Hogg's strategy with 1x4 > PLCs in the splice cases fed by PLCs at the cabinet. My rough guestimates > are around $25-27k before putting it in the ground or customer drops. We > figure we can make a business case with a $1k install. > > On 8/20/2017 12:31 PM, Jason McKemie wrote: > > It does include the fiber, but not electronics or splice closures. Just > fiber, associated mounting hardware, and guy wires/anchors. > > On Saturday, August 19, 2017, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Drops were anywhere from 150' to 1600'. The long ones naturally pushed >> up the average quite a bit. >> >> On the feed down the road it's $1.80/foot plus the cable. The contractor >> is supplying all material except the cable itself and honestlyI don't >> recall how much of that was labor vs material. We did have to add 4 poles, >> so there's that in the $17,000/mile. And that also includes splice >> enclosures, switches, optics, switch enclosure, and electric installation >> at the switch enclosure. >> >> Does your $1/ft in materials include the actual fiber? If not, then >> we're very close. If it does then I have to sharpen the pencil quite a bit. >> >> >> >> -- Original Message -- >> From: "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> >> To: "javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');" < >> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');> >> Sent: 8/19/2017 3:49:07 PM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile >> >> >> How long are the drops? Labor for main runs cost me about $.75/ft last >> time I did it, plus around $1/ft in materials. I didn't have to do much >> make ready though, that can add up quickly. I think my drops cost me >> roughly $1/ft since I'm doing them myself now. >> >> On Saturday, August 19, 2017, Adam Moffett <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',' >> dmmoff...@gmail.com');> wrote: >> >>> I'm at $17,000 per mile on a recent active E deployment. Each customer >>> installation averaged $900. This is rural, so lots of long drops. >>> >>> I guess I'm looking over to the next stall to see how mine measures up >>> to yours. >>> >>> >>> -- Original Message -- >>> From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> >>> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> >>> Sent: 8/19/2017 9:55:20 AM >>> Subject: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile >>> >>> >>> So after the dust has settled on completed projects, what sort of money >>> have you ended up spending per mile? >>> How much per customer installation? >>> >>> >>> >>> >
Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
As long as the lawn tractors don't punch through... Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Aug 20, 2017, at 6:20 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > > I presume that double walled ribbed plastic culvert is available nationwide. > I could just do the galvanized steel lids for them and you get the culvert > locally and cut off a slice. Not sure about making them traffic rated. If > the lid is larger than the culvert the load could be transferred to the > earth. If the middle of it was stiff enough it might be strong enough. I > think it has to take 26,000 lbs. > > From: Jon Langeler > Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 4:09 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile > > Sounds like a winner. Then have 1 or more lid options > > Jon Langeler > Michwave Technologies, Inc. > > >> On Aug 20, 2017, at 5:56 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >> >> I was making handhole components a few years ago. Not a big money maker. >> But handholes are simply too expensive. I came up with some alternate >> designs, like a slice of 36” plastic conduit. Made a lid to go over it. >> Maybe I ought to revisit that project. The world needs lower cost hand >> holes. >> >> From: George Skorup >> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:46 PM >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile >> >> We're looking at doing a neighborhood where we have wireless now. Private >> association of about 40 homes. The president is also an electrical >> contractor and has helped us on other non-fiber stuff in the past. So at >> least we can get duct at his cost. Looking like about 6250 feet of duct and >> 21 or 22 handholes. Probably going to follow Chuck Hogg's strategy with 1x4 >> PLCs in the splice cases fed by PLCs at the cabinet. My rough guestimates >> are around $25-27k before putting it in the ground or customer drops. We >> figure we can make a business case with a $1k install. >> >>> On 8/20/2017 12:31 PM, Jason McKemie wrote: >>> It does include the fiber, but not electronics or splice closures. Just >>> fiber, associated mounting hardware, and guy wires/anchors. >>> >>>> On Saturday, August 19, 2017, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Drops were anywhere from 150' to 1600'. The long ones naturally pushed up >>>> the average quite a bit. >>>> >>>> On the feed down the road it's $1.80/foot plus the cable. The contractor >>>> is supplying all material except the cable itself and honestlyI don't >>>> recall how much of that was labor vs material. We did have to add 4 >>>> poles, so there's that in the $17,000/mile. And that also includes splice >>>> enclosures, switches, optics, switch enclosure, and electric installation >>>> at the switch enclosure. >>>> >>>> Does your $1/ft in materials include the actual fiber? If not, then we're >>>> very close. If it does then I have to sharpen the pencil quite a bit. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- Original Message -- >>>> From: "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> >>>> To: "javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');" >>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');> >>>> Sent: 8/19/2017 3:49:07 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile >>>> >>>>> How long are the drops? Labor for main runs cost me about $.75/ft last >>>>> time I did it, plus around $1/ft in materials. I didn't have to do much >>>>> make ready though, that can add up quickly. I think my drops cost me >>>>> roughly $1/ft since I'm doing them myself now. >>>>> >>>>>> On Saturday, August 19, 2017, Adam Moffett >>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dmmoff...@gmail.com');> wrote: >>>>>> I'm at $17,000 per mile on a recent active E deployment. Each customer >>>>>> installation averaged $900. This is rural, so lots of long drops. >>>>>> >>>>>> I guess I'm looking over to the next stall to see how mine measures up >>>>>> to yours. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- Original Message -- >>>>>> From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> >>>>>> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> >>>>>> Sent: 8/19/2017 9:55:20 AM >>>>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile >>>>>> >>>>>>> So after the dust has settled on completed projects, what sort of money >>>>>>> have you ended up spending per mile? >>>>>>> How much per customer installation?
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36" diameter? That's a big honkin handhole. What are you guys putting into these hand holes? -- Original Message -- From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: 8/20/2017 5:56:37 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile I was making handhole components a few years ago. Not a big money maker. But handholes are simply too expensive. I came up with some alternate designs, like a slice of 36” plastic conduit. Made a lid to go over it. Maybe I ought to revisit that project. The world needs lower cost hand holes. From:George Skorup Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:46 PM To:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile We're looking at doing a neighborhood where we have wireless now. Private association of about 40 homes. The president is also an electrical contractor and has helped us on other non-fiber stuff in the past. So at least we can get duct at his cost. Looking like about 6250 feet of duct and 21 or 22 handholes. Probably going to follow Chuck Hogg's strategy with 1x4 PLCs in the splice cases fed by PLCs at the cabinet. My rough guestimates are around $25-27k before putting it in the ground or customer drops. We figure we can make a business case with a $1k install. On 8/20/2017 12:31 PM, Jason McKemie wrote: It does include the fiber, but not electronics or splice closures. Just fiber, associated mounting hardware, and guy wires/anchors. On Saturday, August 19, 2017, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: Drops were anywhere from 150' to 1600'. The long ones naturally pushed up the average quite a bit. On the feed down the road it's $1.80/foot plus the cable. The contractor is supplying all material except the cable itself and honestlyI don't recall how much of that was labor vs material. We did have to add 4 poles, so there's that in the $17,000/mile. And that also includes splice enclosures, switches, optics, switch enclosure, and electric installation at the switch enclosure. Does your $1/ft in materials include the actual fiber? If not, then we're very close. If it does then I have to sharpen the pencil quite a bit. -- Original Message -- From: "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> To: "javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');" <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');> Sent: 8/19/2017 3:49:07 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile How long are the drops? Labor for main runs cost me about $.75/ft last time I did it, plus around $1/ft in materials. I didn't have to do much make ready though, that can add up quickly. I think my drops cost me roughly $1/ft since I'm doing them myself now. On Saturday, August 19, 2017, Adam Moffett <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dmmoff...@gmail.com');> wrote: I'm at $17,000 per mile on a recent active E deployment. Each customer installation averaged $900. This is rural, so lots of long drops. I guess I'm looking over to the next stall to see how mine measures up to yours. -- Original Message -- From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> Sent: 8/19/2017 9:55:20 AM Subject: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile So after the dust has settled on completed projects, what sort of money have you ended up spending per mile? How much per customer installation?
Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
I presume that double walled ribbed plastic culvert is available nationwide. I could just do the galvanized steel lids for them and you get the culvert locally and cut off a slice. Not sure about making them traffic rated. If the lid is larger than the culvert the load could be transferred to the earth. If the middle of it was stiff enough it might be strong enough. I think it has to take 26,000 lbs. From: Jon Langeler Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 4:09 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile Sounds like a winner. Then have 1 or more lid options Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. On Aug 20, 2017, at 5:56 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: I was making handhole components a few years ago. Not a big money maker. But handholes are simply too expensive. I came up with some alternate designs, like a slice of 36” plastic conduit. Made a lid to go over it. Maybe I ought to revisit that project. The world needs lower cost hand holes. From: George Skorup Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:46 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile We're looking at doing a neighborhood where we have wireless now. Private association of about 40 homes. The president is also an electrical contractor and has helped us on other non-fiber stuff in the past. So at least we can get duct at his cost. Looking like about 6250 feet of duct and 21 or 22 handholes. Probably going to follow Chuck Hogg's strategy with 1x4 PLCs in the splice cases fed by PLCs at the cabinet. My rough guestimates are around $25-27k before putting it in the ground or customer drops. We figure we can make a business case with a $1k install. On 8/20/2017 12:31 PM, Jason McKemie wrote: It does include the fiber, but not electronics or splice closures. Just fiber, associated mounting hardware, and guy wires/anchors. On Saturday, August 19, 2017, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: Drops were anywhere from 150' to 1600'. The long ones naturally pushed up the average quite a bit. On the feed down the road it's $1.80/foot plus the cable. The contractor is supplying all material except the cable itself and honestlyI don't recall how much of that was labor vs material. We did have to add 4 poles, so there's that in the $17,000/mile. And that also includes splice enclosures, switches, optics, switch enclosure, and electric installation at the switch enclosure. Does your $1/ft in materials include the actual fiber? If not, then we're very close. If it does then I have to sharpen the pencil quite a bit. -- Original Message -- From: "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> To: "javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');" <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');> Sent: 8/19/2017 3:49:07 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile How long are the drops? Labor for main runs cost me about $.75/ft last time I did it, plus around $1/ft in materials. I didn't have to do much make ready though, that can add up quickly. I think my drops cost me roughly $1/ft since I'm doing them myself now. On Saturday, August 19, 2017, Adam Moffett <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dmmoff...@gmail.com');> wrote: I'm at $17,000 per mile on a recent active E deployment. Each customer installation averaged $900. This is rural, so lots of long drops. I guess I'm looking over to the next stall to see how mine measures up to yours. -- Original Message -- From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> Sent: 8/19/2017 9:55:20 AM Subject: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile So after the dust has settled on completed projects, what sort of money have you ended up spending per mile? How much per customer installation?
Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
Sounds like a winner. Then have 1 or more lid options Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Aug 20, 2017, at 5:56 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > > I was making handhole components a few years ago. Not a big money maker. > But handholes are simply too expensive. I came up with some alternate > designs, like a slice of 36” plastic conduit. Made a lid to go over it. > Maybe I ought to revisit that project. The world needs lower cost hand > holes. > > From: George Skorup > Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:46 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile > > We're looking at doing a neighborhood where we have wireless now. Private > association of about 40 homes. The president is also an electrical contractor > and has helped us on other non-fiber stuff in the past. So at least we can > get duct at his cost. Looking like about 6250 feet of duct and 21 or 22 > handholes. Probably going to follow Chuck Hogg's strategy with 1x4 PLCs in > the splice cases fed by PLCs at the cabinet. My rough guestimates are around > $25-27k before putting it in the ground or customer drops. We figure we can > make a business case with a $1k install. > >> On 8/20/2017 12:31 PM, Jason McKemie wrote: >> It does include the fiber, but not electronics or splice closures. Just >> fiber, associated mounting hardware, and guy wires/anchors. >> >>> On Saturday, August 19, 2017, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Drops were anywhere from 150' to 1600'. The long ones naturally pushed up >>> the average quite a bit. >>> >>> On the feed down the road it's $1.80/foot plus the cable. The contractor >>> is supplying all material except the cable itself and honestlyI don't >>> recall how much of that was labor vs material. We did have to add 4 poles, >>> so there's that in the $17,000/mile. And that also includes splice >>> enclosures, switches, optics, switch enclosure, and electric installation >>> at the switch enclosure. >>> >>> Does your $1/ft in materials include the actual fiber? If not, then we're >>> very close. If it does then I have to sharpen the pencil quite a bit. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- Original Message -- >>> From: "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> >>> To: "javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');" >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');> >>> Sent: 8/19/2017 3:49:07 PM >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile >>> >>>> How long are the drops? Labor for main runs cost me about $.75/ft last >>>> time I did it, plus around $1/ft in materials. I didn't have to do much >>>> make ready though, that can add up quickly. I think my drops cost me >>>> roughly $1/ft since I'm doing them myself now. >>>> >>>>> On Saturday, August 19, 2017, Adam Moffett >>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dmmoff...@gmail.com');> wrote: >>>>> I'm at $17,000 per mile on a recent active E deployment. Each customer >>>>> installation averaged $900. This is rural, so lots of long drops. >>>>> >>>>> I guess I'm looking over to the next stall to see how mine measures up to >>>>> yours. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- Original Message -- >>>>> From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> >>>>> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> >>>>> Sent: 8/19/2017 9:55:20 AM >>>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile >>>>> >>>>>> So after the dust has settled on completed projects, what sort of money >>>>>> have you ended up spending per mile? >>>>>> How much per customer installation? >
Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
I was making handhole components a few years ago. Not a big money maker. But
handholes are simply too expensive. I came up with some alternate designs,
like a slice of 36” plastic conduit. Made a lid to go over it. Maybe I ought
to revisit that project. The world needs lower cost hand holes.
From: George Skorup
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
We're looking at doing a neighborhood where we have wireless now. Private
association of about 40 homes. The president is also an electrical contractor
and has helped us on other non-fiber stuff in the past. So at least we can get
duct at his cost. Looking like about 6250 feet of duct and 21 or 22 handholes.
Probably going to follow Chuck Hogg's strategy with 1x4 PLCs in the splice
cases fed by PLCs at the cabinet. My rough guestimates are around $25-27k
before putting it in the ground or customer drops. We figure we can make a
business case with a $1k install.
On 8/20/2017 12:31 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
It does include the fiber, but not electronics or splice closures. Just
fiber, associated mounting hardware, and guy wires/anchors.
On Saturday, August 19, 2017, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
Drops were anywhere from 150' to 1600'. The long ones naturally pushed up
the average quite a bit.
On the feed down the road it's $1.80/foot plus the cable. The contractor
is supplying all material except the cable itself and honestlyI don't recall
how much of that was labor vs material. We did have to add 4 poles, so there's
that in the $17,000/mile. And that also includes splice enclosures, switches,
optics, switch enclosure, and electric installation at the switch enclosure.
Does your $1/ft in materials include the actual fiber? If not, then we're
very close. If it does then I have to sharpen the pencil quite a bit.
-- Original Message --
From: "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
To: "javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');"
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');>
Sent: 8/19/2017 3:49:07 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
How long are the drops? Labor for main runs cost me about $.75/ft last
time I did it, plus around $1/ft in materials. I didn't have to do much make
ready though, that can add up quickly. I think my drops cost me roughly $1/ft
since I'm doing them myself now.
On Saturday, August 19, 2017, Adam Moffett
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dmmoff...@gmail.com');> wrote:
I'm at $17,000 per mile on a recent active E deployment. Each customer
installation averaged $900. This is rural, so lots of long drops.
I guess I'm looking over to the next stall to see how mine measures up
to yours.
-- Original Message --
From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 8/19/2017 9:55:20 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
So after the dust has settled on completed projects, what sort of
money have you ended up spending per mile?
How much per customer installation?
Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
We're looking at doing a neighborhood where we have wireless now.
Private association of about 40 homes. The president is also an
electrical contractor and has helped us on other non-fiber stuff in the
past. So at least we can get duct at his cost. Looking like about 6250
feet of duct and 21 or 22 handholes. Probably going to follow Chuck
Hogg's strategy with 1x4 PLCs in the splice cases fed by PLCs at the
cabinet. My rough guestimates are around $25-27k before putting it in
the ground or customer drops. We figure we can make a business case with
a $1k install.
On 8/20/2017 12:31 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
It does include the fiber, but not electronics or splice closures.
Just fiber, associated mounting hardware, and guy wires/anchors.
On Saturday, August 19, 2017, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com
<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Drops were anywhere from 150' to 1600'. The long ones naturally
pushed up the average quite a bit.
On the feed down the road it's $1.80/foot plus the cable. The
contractor is supplying all material except the cable itself and
honestlyI don't recall how much of that was labor vs material. We
did have to add 4 poles, so there's that in the $17,000/mile. And
that also includes splice enclosures, switches, optics, switch
enclosure, and electric installation at the switch enclosure.
Does your $1/ft in materials include the actual fiber? If not,
then we're very close. If it does then I have to sharpen the
pencil quite a bit.
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How long are the drops? Labor for main runs cost me about $.75/ft
last time I did it, plus around $1/ft in materials. I didn't have
to do much make ready though, that can add up quickly. I think my
drops cost me roughly $1/ft since I'm doing them myself now.
On Saturday, August 19, 2017, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com
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I'm at $17,000 per mile on a recent active E deployment.
Each customer installation averaged $900. This is rural, so
lots of long drops.
I guess I'm looking over to the next stall to see how mine
measures up to yours.
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Sent: 8/19/2017 9:55:20 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
So after the dust has settled on completed projects, what
sort of money have you ended up spending per mile?
How much per customer installation?
Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
It does include the fiber, but not electronics or splice closures. Just fiber, associated mounting hardware, and guy wires/anchors. On Saturday, August 19, 2017, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: > Drops were anywhere from 150' to 1600'. The long ones naturally pushed up > the average quite a bit. > > On the feed down the road it's $1.80/foot plus the cable. The contractor > is supplying all material except the cable itself and honestlyI don't > recall how much of that was labor vs material. We did have to add 4 poles, > so there's that in the $17,000/mile. And that also includes splice > enclosures, switches, optics, switch enclosure, and electric installation > at the switch enclosure. > > Does your $1/ft in materials include the actual fiber? If not, then we're > very close. If it does then I have to sharpen the pencil quite a bit. > > > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com');>> > To: "af@afmug.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');>" < > af@afmug.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');>> > Sent: 8/19/2017 3:49:07 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile > > How long are the drops? Labor for main runs cost me about $.75/ft last > time I did it, plus around $1/ft in materials. I didn't have to do much > make ready though, that can add up quickly. I think my drops cost me > roughly $1/ft since I'm doing them myself now. > > On Saturday, August 19, 2017, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dmmoff...@gmail.com');>> wrote: > >> I'm at $17,000 per mile on a recent active E deployment. Each customer >> installation averaged $900. This is rural, so lots of long drops. >> >> I guess I'm looking over to the next stall to see how mine measures up to >> yours. >> >> >> -- Original Message -- >> From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> >> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> >> Sent: 8/19/2017 9:55:20 AM >> Subject: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile >> >> So after the dust has settled on completed projects, what sort of money >> have you ended up spending per mile? >> How much per customer installation? >> >> >>
Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
Drops were anywhere from 150' to 1600'. The long ones naturally pushed up the average quite a bit. On the feed down the road it's $1.80/foot plus the cable. The contractor is supplying all material except the cable itself and honestlyI don't recall how much of that was labor vs material. We did have to add 4 poles, so there's that in the $17,000/mile. And that also includes splice enclosures, switches, optics, switch enclosure, and electric installation at the switch enclosure. Does your $1/ft in materials include the actual fiber? If not, then we're very close. If it does then I have to sharpen the pencil quite a bit. -- Original Message -- From: "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> Sent: 8/19/2017 3:49:07 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile How long are the drops? Labor for main runs cost me about $.75/ft last time I did it, plus around $1/ft in materials. I didn't have to do much make ready though, that can add up quickly. I think my drops cost me roughly $1/ft since I'm doing them myself now. On Saturday, August 19, 2017, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: I'm at $17,000 per mile on a recent active E deployment. Each customer installation averaged $900. This is rural, so lots of long drops. I guess I'm looking over to the next stall to see how mine measures up to yours. -- Original Message -- From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> Sent: 8/19/2017 9:55:20 AM Subject: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile So after the dust has settled on completed projects, what sort of money have you ended up spending per mile? How much per customer installation?
Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
How long are the drops? Labor for main runs cost me about $.75/ft last time I did it, plus around $1/ft in materials. I didn't have to do much make ready though, that can add up quickly. I think my drops cost me roughly $1/ft since I'm doing them myself now. On Saturday, August 19, 2017, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: > I'm at $17,000 per mile on a recent active E deployment. Each customer > installation averaged $900. This is rural, so lots of long drops. > > I guess I'm looking over to the next stall to see how mine measures up to > yours. > > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dmmoff...@gmail.com');>> > To: "af@afmug.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');>" < > af@afmug.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');>> > Sent: 8/19/2017 9:55:20 AM > Subject: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile > > So after the dust has settled on completed projects, what sort of money > have you ended up spending per mile? > How much per customer installation? > > >
Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
I'm at $17,000 per mile on a recent active E deployment. Each customer installation averaged $900. This is rural, so lots of long drops. I guess I'm looking over to the next stall to see how mine measures up to yours. -- Original Message -- From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> Sent: 8/19/2017 9:55:20 AM Subject: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile So after the dust has settled on completed projects, what sort of money have you ended up spending per mile? How much per customer installation?
[AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
So after the dust has settled on completed projects, what sort of money have you ended up spending per mile? How much per customer installation?
