Re: [AFMUG] 24v syncinjector wiring

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Forrest?
I have a revision E0 Parasitic
Base Unit II - Firmware - March 12 2013
SyncInjector100RevH1 22-Jan-14
SyncInjector430RevH1 12-Jan-15

The 100 injector will not show connected unless it is the first device, it
was doing some weird stuff like randomly not being connected, but I think
it may have been due to the amount if time I left power off when cycling

I have the parasitic connected to the syncinjector 100, its is getting
pulses and both the fsk and the 320 AP are showing sync, but there is no
GPS data. Is this normal behavior when using a parasitic?

Parasitics dont generate their own sync, is this correct? So if it is
sending pulses, even without the satellite info they should be valid timing?

I though when I shop tested these that they were showing GPS data, but I
dont know if I tested with this particular parasitic

On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 4:21 PM, George Skorup geo...@cbcast.com wrote:

  The link Josh posted to wire the RJ12 to RJ45 jumper will allow you to
 use the spare parasitics with SyncInjectors. But I think you need at least
 Rev E or possibly Rev F/G/H pipes with the newer SiteMonitor controlled
 SyncInjectors. There's some difference, I forget what it is. I think the
 no-no was Rev C pipes on Rev H SyncInjectors. Forrest would have to say for
 sure what works with what.

 On 6/19/2015 12:18 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

 We have always used the parasitics, syncsplitters, creative taps and
 syncbox, but these syncinjectors are the bees knees, other than that they
 arent universal. BUT, not having to climb up makes a huge difference, and
 being able to do with packetflux with a handful of hundred dollar bills
 what the CMMs do, its a no brainer. but now we have a bunch of parasitics
 laying around. They just wont die, so we have to use them

 On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 11:19 AM, George Skorup geo...@cbcast.com wrote:

  Yeah, I have a couple sites with either a SyncPipe Deluxe or a SyncBox
 on top powered separately and a SyncInjector with it's own Basic pipe at
 the bottom to provide redundant timing to some 450 sectors.

 I also have some 450 sectors each with their own Parasitic pipes because
 they're far apart on the tower. And I get some strange GPS issues there
 when it rains or there's heavy cloud cover. So I asked Forrest if it would
 be OK to put a sync over power pulse through the Parasitic pipes. He said
 no issues and I've bench tested it, so I'm going to add a SyncInjector on
 those APs

 On 6/19/2015 11:06 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  I have mostly switched to using the Syncbox12 instead of Parasitics.
 It does have a Syncinjector port on it (which I haven’t had a use for).

  *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 *Sent:* Friday, June 19, 2015 10:48 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 24v syncinjector wiring

1.  From what I'm told you can do it.  Just reverse the blue/brown
 pairs.  Sync pulse doesn't cause damage from what Forrest said.

 2.
 http://manuals.packetflux.com/index.php?page=using-a-syncpipe-parasitic-with-a-syncinjector


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 11:45 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:

 I thought I had read these are both doable,
 1. Can I power ubnt devices off these? what is the cross pinout? and do
 I need to turn off the sync pulse on that port?

 2. Can I use a syncpipe parasitic on the syncinjector? Isnt there a
 particular cable pinout to do this?

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[AFMUG] heat cutoff for installers

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

We are supposed to have a heat index thats pretty high today. when I was
doing commercial roofing I about killed two punks because I pushed them
harder when they started whining, I didnt know it had hit something like
105 on the thermometer, so this heat index thing was probably pretty high.

do you guys have a temp/heat index youll pull your guys back on? I dont
care if they croak, I just dont have time to retrain anybody and get my
project load done this summer.

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Re: [AFMUG] heat cutoff for installers

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

lol, working too fast definitely is not a problem with these guys

On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 10:33 AM, Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us wrote:

 On 7/14/15 7:52, Sean Heskett wrote:

 For us that is a safety issue and if the guy doing the work feels like
 it's an unsafe condition then the work stops.  Same as if it's too windy
 to climb a tower or too cold in the winter.

 My guys aren't wimps tho and they'll usually keep going past when I
 think it's safe and tell them to quit working.

 If it's too hot then adjust their schedules to start earlier if you need
 to and quit earlier.  No need to die for the freakin
 interwebs...Facebook can wait.



 I've done all day work on rooftops in 105 degree heat. Where people go
 wrong is failing to stay hydrated by thinking a soda at lunch is good
 enough. And working at a steady pace, not running around like a moron as
 fast as possible.

 ~Seth




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part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Netflix app on iPad keeps asking to reconnect

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

You really should consider turning off the bluetooth on the ipad. both my
laptop and my sons old ipad had issues staying connected to my old 2.4
fortigate ap

On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 10:29 AM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:

 IMHO, the only thing that wider channels get you on a home network is a
 higher likelihood of interference.

 bp
 part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

 On 7/13/2015 7:38 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

 The only other thing I am considering is changing channel width from
 20/40 to 20 MHz.





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Re: [AFMUG] dumb pole question

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

how does that work?
If you drop a pole, the telco has to pay you an attachment fee?
If the telco doesnt want the financial burden, since their poles are
already spaced appropriately and does not attach, where does the liability
fall for wear damage to the strung cable?
Does the telco have recourse on the attachment fee?


On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 8:35 AM, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks for the tip.
 I'll also try to position ours to miss there cable by a few inches so it's
 not actually touching unless they want it to :)



 On 7/14/2015 9:20 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

 I would just notify the telco that they need to come and attach the cable
 to your pole once it is in.

 -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
 Sent: Monday, July 13, 2015 3:16 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: [AFMUG] dumb pole question

 There's a longish span with an existing phone trunk on it---probably a
 50 pair.  The power is on the other side of the road for reasons that
 nobody understands.  I would like to insert a pole in the middle of the
 existing spanI would put it in line with the existing poles in the
 ROW of course.  So I would end up with a phone line touching my pole but
 not attached to it.

 I can't think of a specific reason this would be a problem, but I know a
 couple of you guys do this more often than me and  I wonder if you know
 of any reason this would be bad.





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Re: [AFMUG] heat cutoff for installers

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

I should probably have prefaced that with the fact it was 20 years ago and
I was quite a different person then.

On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 12:14 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:

 Im not fully opposed to performance adjuncts. If it werent for the
 prison time and the whole never knowing what they are going to fall off of.
 When I was a superfisor in a printing factory my machines never shut down
 for break periods, I carried a small pharmacy of over the counter things
 ranging from nodoze to cold medicine. I kept those monkeys working. Of
 course at the time I was also doing cocaine in the office so I dont think
 my judgement was clear. The suits liked me though

 On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 12:01 PM, Dan Petermann d...@wyoming.com wrote:

 Crack! Crack is what they need.

 Judging by the time I spent in Florida installing 18  24GHz links for
 Teligent, crack is what you need.

 Every rooftop I was on that had recently been re-roofed was covered in
 crack vials.

 If nothing else, they will be happy and they won’t quit as they will lose
 their supplier.

 On Jul 14, 2015, at 10:03 AM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com wrote:

  You should also be fully clothed... light long sleeve shirt, pants.
 Look at roofers.  They work around hot tar all day in the same heat... look
 how they dress.  They do so for a reason.  I do so also because I am fair
 skinned and sunburn easy.  Don't forget sunscreen as well.
 
  When I used to climb towers regularly... I wore a camelback under my
 harness so that there would be a reminder to drink water by my mouth all
 the time.  I think most climbers don't drink enough water because the
 bottle is in a bag somewhere and you simply forget to take the time to
 hydrate.
 
  Thank you,
 
  Daniel White
  afmu...@gmail.com
  Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
  Skype: danieldwhite
  Social: LinkedIn: Twitter
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
  Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 9:34 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] heat cutoff for installers
 
  On 7/14/15 7:52, Sean Heskett wrote:
  For us that is a safety issue and if the guy doing the work feels like
  it's an unsafe condition then the work stops.  Same as if it's too
  windy to climb a tower or too cold in the winter.
 
  My guys aren't wimps tho and they'll usually keep going past when I
  think it's safe and tell them to quit working.
 
  If it's too hot then adjust their schedules to start earlier if you
  need to and quit earlier.  No need to die for the freakin
  interwebs...Facebook can wait.
 
 
  I've done all day work on rooftops in 105 degree heat. Where people go
  wrong is failing to stay hydrated by thinking a soda at lunch is good
 enough.
  And working at a steady pace, not running around like a moron as fast
 as
  possible.
 
  ~Seth
 
 
  ---
  This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
  https://www.avast.com/antivirus
 




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 If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
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part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] heat cutoff for installers

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Im not fully opposed to performance adjuncts. If it werent for the prison
time and the whole never knowing what they are going to fall off of. When I
was a superfisor in a printing factory my machines never shut down for
break periods, I carried a small pharmacy of over the counter things
ranging from nodoze to cold medicine. I kept those monkeys working. Of
course at the time I was also doing cocaine in the office so I dont think
my judgement was clear. The suits liked me though

On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 12:01 PM, Dan Petermann d...@wyoming.com wrote:

 Crack! Crack is what they need.

 Judging by the time I spent in Florida installing 18  24GHz links for
 Teligent, crack is what you need.

 Every rooftop I was on that had recently been re-roofed was covered in
 crack vials.

 If nothing else, they will be happy and they won’t quit as they will lose
 their supplier.

 On Jul 14, 2015, at 10:03 AM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com wrote:

  You should also be fully clothed... light long sleeve shirt, pants.
 Look at roofers.  They work around hot tar all day in the same heat... look
 how they dress.  They do so for a reason.  I do so also because I am fair
 skinned and sunburn easy.  Don't forget sunscreen as well.
 
  When I used to climb towers regularly... I wore a camelback under my
 harness so that there would be a reminder to drink water by my mouth all
 the time.  I think most climbers don't drink enough water because the
 bottle is in a bag somewhere and you simply forget to take the time to
 hydrate.
 
  Thank you,
 
  Daniel White
  afmu...@gmail.com
  Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
  Skype: danieldwhite
  Social: LinkedIn: Twitter
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
  Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 9:34 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] heat cutoff for installers
 
  On 7/14/15 7:52, Sean Heskett wrote:
  For us that is a safety issue and if the guy doing the work feels like
  it's an unsafe condition then the work stops.  Same as if it's too
  windy to climb a tower or too cold in the winter.
 
  My guys aren't wimps tho and they'll usually keep going past when I
  think it's safe and tell them to quit working.
 
  If it's too hot then adjust their schedules to start earlier if you
  need to and quit earlier.  No need to die for the freakin
  interwebs...Facebook can wait.
 
 
  I've done all day work on rooftops in 105 degree heat. Where people go
  wrong is failing to stay hydrated by thinking a soda at lunch is good
 enough.
  And working at a steady pace, not running around like a moron as fast as
  possible.
 
  ~Seth
 
 
  ---
  This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
  https://www.avast.com/antivirus
 




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Re: [AFMUG] GPS Interference testing

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

JAde Helm! Jade Helm!!! We are all getting locked up!! theyll start by
shutting down our gps, that way everyone starves because they dont know how
to read a map to get to the store

On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 1:17 PM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote:

 they do this all the time and i've never noticed an issue with our canopy
 timing.  i'm also a pilot and haven't noticed an issue while flying.

 -sean


 On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 11:59 AM, Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com wrote:


 https://www.faasafety.gov/files/notices/2015/Jul/NTTR_15-12_GPS_Flight_Advisory.pdf

 Any idea what military GPS interference testing involves?  I wonder how
 this might impact canopy or airfiber gps-timed links.











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[AFMUG] replacement for the NBM-25

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Which of these new fidgety beasts from ubnt is the equivalent replacement?
Do they all have all the parts in them yet and do they support the full
5ghz yet?

Do they require that isobeam thing, or do they use rfarmor shield kits?

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Re: [AFMUG] UBNT status re: 5150-5250

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

stickers?

Are we supposed to be restickering radios again?

On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 7:53 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:

 I'm expecting it to work decently or better on 2.5.  They've delivered so
 far.  Just be careful until then - it's not simply three commands away
 right now!

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Jul 15, 2015 8:41 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote:

 It might just not be able to handle more than a few clients very well
 then... or it didn't like the Mikrotiks... or I was just lucky. Whatever
 the case, I'm definitely going to be careful where I use it until they get
 it working right.

 On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 7:20 PM, Josh Luthman 
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

 Mine was also 5 GHz.  I should have said NSM5 but that damn auto correct.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Jul 15, 2015 8:16 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote:

 It was also 5ghz in my case... that also probably makes a difference.
 That probably explains why it can't be enabled through the GUI yet.

 On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 7:13 PM, Josh Luthman 
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

 I know I had Mikrotik and Ubnt (NSM2 maybe even Beam400).  WiFi is not
 ready yet.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Jul 15, 2015 8:09 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote:

 hmm... weird, I think the most I had on an AP was 5 CPEs, but they
 seemed to work fine, and none of the customers complained. All the 
 clients
 were nanobridges, if that makes a difference.

 On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 7:06 PM, Josh Luthman 
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

 Uh it doesn't work.  At all.  I had 18 CPEs that would associate but
 100 kbps was peak throughout.  Mikrotik was solid before but with G 
 rates
 and one polarity it was about time to upgrade.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Jul 15, 2015 8:00 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Wifi mode actually does work on the ePMP APs - it's just kind of a
 pain to enabie (you have to do it through the command line), but it 
 seems
 to work fine... I've used it a few times to convert towers from UBNT to
 ePMP.

 I can dig up the commands if you want to know how to do it.

 On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 2:55 PM, Josh Luthman 
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

 That's the only way to do it now.  It sucks since I want to
 replace some single pol Mikrotik APs with dual pol, it would be 
 preferred
 to jump to dual pol Wifi with epmp and then when all the CPEs are 
 moved, go
 from Wifi to TDD.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 3:52 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net
 wrote:

 Swap the CPE first?



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 *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Wednesday, July 15, 2015 2:50:10 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] UBNT status re: 5150-5250

 Same here.  Unfortunately Wifi mode doesn't work at all on the
 AP.  That's coming in 2.5 which is supposed to be this year.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net
 wrote:

 Everything but the firmware for 5150. I'd imagine they're
 waiting on DFS approval to just do one firmware release.

 Replacing UBNT with ePMP? That's what I've been doing.



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 *From: *Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Wednesday, July 15, 2015 2:33:52 PM
 *Subject: *[AFMUG] UBNT status re: 5150-5250

 Anybody know, has there been any change in status regarding
 U-NII-1?  I've
 searched the UBNT Forums and can't find anything other than SOON.

 Ignoring AC series and just focusing on M5, last I heard the
 products
 capable of operating in 5150-5250 (without 

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT status re: 5150-5250

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

#$%$#@#$U*

Where do I get the stickers? I assume some archaic thing like making a
request in a forum post and waiting to be contacted by some guy in a trench
coat out by the dumpster who will give me a decoder key

On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 10:34 AM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Yeah... and I seem to remember them assuring us that we wouldn't have to
 resticker again...


 At least the stickers go on the radios this time instead of the dishes.

 On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

 Yes. They didn't learn their last sticker lesson, so they repeated it.



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 *From: *That One Guy /sarcasm thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Thursday, July 16, 2015 10:14:41 AM

 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] UBNT status re: 5150-5250

 stickers?

 Are we supposed to be restickering radios again?

 On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 7:53 PM, Josh Luthman 
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

 I'm expecting it to work decently or better on 2.5.  They've delivered
 so far.  Just be careful until then - it's not simply three commands away
 right now!

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Jul 15, 2015 8:41 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote:

 It might just not be able to handle more than a few clients very well
 then... or it didn't like the Mikrotiks... or I was just lucky. Whatever
 the case, I'm definitely going to be careful where I use it until they get
 it working right.

 On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 7:20 PM, Josh Luthman 
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

 Mine was also 5 GHz.  I should have said NSM5 but that damn auto
 correct.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Jul 15, 2015 8:16 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote:

 It was also 5ghz in my case... that also probably makes a difference.
 That probably explains why it can't be enabled through the GUI yet.

 On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 7:13 PM, Josh Luthman 
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

 I know I had Mikrotik and Ubnt (NSM2 maybe even Beam400).  WiFi is
 not ready yet.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Jul 15, 2015 8:09 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 hmm... weird, I think the most I had on an AP was 5 CPEs, but they
 seemed to work fine, and none of the customers complained. All the 
 clients
 were nanobridges, if that makes a difference.

 On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 7:06 PM, Josh Luthman 
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

 Uh it doesn't work.  At all.  I had 18 CPEs that would associate
 but 100 kbps was peak throughout.  Mikrotik was solid before but with 
 G
 rates and one polarity it was about time to upgrade.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Jul 15, 2015 8:00 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Wifi mode actually does work on the ePMP APs - it's just kind of
 a pain to enabie (you have to do it through the command line), but 
 it seems
 to work fine... I've used it a few times to convert towers from UBNT 
 to
 ePMP.

 I can dig up the commands if you want to know how to do it.

 On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 2:55 PM, Josh Luthman 
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

 That's the only way to do it now.  It sucks since I want to
 replace some single pol Mikrotik APs with dual pol, it would be 
 preferred
 to jump to dual pol Wifi with epmp and then when all the CPEs are 
 moved, go
 from Wifi to TDD.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 3:52 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net
 wrote:

 Swap the CPE first?



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 *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Wednesday, July 15, 2015 2:50:10 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] UBNT status re: 5150-5250

 Same here.  Unfortunately Wifi mode doesn't work at all on the
 AP.  That's coming in 2.5 which

Re: [AFMUG] 320 fade

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Ive got a guy at the AP right now verifying the connections, I was really
kind of hoping in the back of my mind we had just gotten a bad batch of
leads. Not looking that way.

Our corn is hydroponic this year, farmers will be harvesting from boats

On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 1:28 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

   Probably the same thing we’ve been dealing with in 5 GHz, reflections
 off the field corn.  In our area the corn is starting to tassel and is
 probably near max height.  I assume you have had tons of rain this year
 same as us, so the crops are very juicy, and also have been growing inches
 per day.

 Try sending a guy out and moving the SM up and down +/- about 2 feet to
 see if there is a sweet spot that gets you back your 20 dB.  Unless you are
 talking about fades that only happen at sunup/sundown.

 Easiest at a location where the SM is mounted on a pole so you can just
 slide it up and down.


  *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
 *Sent:* Friday, July 17, 2015 1:20 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] 320 fade

  Is anybody else seeing an insane amount of fade on 320 APs since about
 june 16, im in central illinois, seeing it particularly strong on APs
 facing south, though I dont know if that matters, we are talking 20db fade

 --
   If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
 team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.




-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] 320 fade

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Im down with drones filled with agent orange. It makes it totally legit
because our logo is orange

On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

   Internet is a basic human right now, so we should be able to use
 eminent domain to condemn trees and crops that interfere with the signal.
 I am thinking Judge Dredd with a chainsaw and a sprayer full of Roundup.
 Wait, the crops are resistant to Roundup.  Maybe a drone with Agent
 Orange.  That might work on the trees, too.


  *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
 *Sent:* Friday, July 17, 2015 1:54 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 320 fade

  Ive got a guy at the AP right now verifying the connections, I was
 really kind of hoping in the back of my mind we had just gotten a bad batch
 of leads. Not looking that way.

 Our corn is hydroponic this year, farmers will be harvesting from boats

 On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 1:28 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

   Probably the same thing we’ve been dealing with in 5 GHz, reflections
 off the field corn.  In our area the corn is starting to tassel and is
 probably near max height.  I assume you have had tons of rain this year
 same as us, so the crops are very juicy, and also have been growing inches
 per day.

 Try sending a guy out and moving the SM up and down +/- about 2 feet to
 see if there is a sweet spot that gets you back your 20 dB.  Unless you are
 talking about fades that only happen at sunup/sundown.

 Easiest at a location where the SM is mounted on a pole so you can just
 slide it up and down.


  *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
 *Sent:* Friday, July 17, 2015 1:20 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] 320 fade

  Is anybody else seeing an insane amount of fade on 320 APs since about
 june 16, im in central illinois, seeing it particularly strong on APs
 facing south, though I dont know if that matters, we are talking 20db fade

 --
   If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
 team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.




 --
   If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
 team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.




-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

[AFMUG] 320 fade

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Is anybody else seeing an insane amount of fade on 320 APs since about june
16, im in central illinois, seeing it particularly strong on APs facing
south, though I dont know if that matters, we are talking 20db fade

-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Completely OT, but I figure there's some people here into BBQ..

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Autodesk traeger
On Jul 18, 2015 2:17 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

   Hmmm, I could put a magnatron in there to baste the meat with a bit of
 2.4 GHz...

  *From:* Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com
 *Sent:* Saturday, July 18, 2015 10:44 AM
 *To:* Animal Farm af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Completely OT,but I figure there's some people
 here into BBQ..

  I have name...(trademarked..)  Chuck's Wagon and WiFi BBQ Pit Stop

  Jaime Solorza
 Wireless Systems Architect
 915-861-1390

 On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

 I am currently working on a smoker that is similar to ones that sell for
 about $9K.  I will tell you how it turns out...

 -Original Message- From: Simon Westlake
 Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2015 9:59 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: [AFMUG] Completely OT,but I figure there's some people here into
 BBQ..


 I've been into smoking for a while, been smoking ribs, sausage and
 chicken on a cheapo, thin, Home Depot smoker for a few years. They turn
 out pretty good, but it's an all day affair of babysitting and hoping
 the weather is OK.

 I've been looking at some higher end smokers for a while and I'm torn
 between something like
 http://www.yodersmokers.com/ys640-pellet-grill.html and
 http://www.ssomd.com/backwoods-smoker-chubby, the biggest differences
 between them being one uses pellets and one is charcoal.

 I've always used charcoal but the convenience of the pellet smoker is
 pretty appealing to me as well. I've been reading reviews online and
 I've had a hard time finding info that seems unbiased, there's a lot of
 people against pellets on principle and a lot of people for them purely
 for convenience. Most of the BBQ forums are pretty religious places (in
 terms of their preferences.)

 The other problem is that, even if I pick one, there's tons and tons of
 manufacturers out there, and if I'm even going to remotely consider
 spending $1K+ on a smoker, I want it to be the best. So, anyone out
 there with experience with any of these types of units?

Re: [AFMUG] source for 320 sm boots

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Adam, any chance you could email tessco with your account number and an
approximate time frame you ordered these? They can look up your history and
get a part number

On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 12:05 PM, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:

  At one time Redline sold the same Gemtek thingamajigger, but they sold
 the gland as a separate replacement item.  I found it on Tessco.  I don't
 know if that's still available, but when they were, they were $5/each.


 On 7/13/2015 12:56 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

 does anyone have a part number and vendor for these boots or something
 thats compatible?

  --
   If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
 team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.





-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti airFiber-5X AF-5X

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

does reuse work well?

On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 11:59 AM, Ty Featherling tyfeatherl...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Yes with the included GPS antenna.

 -Ty

 On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 11:57 AM, Matt matt.mailingli...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Does the airfiber 5x have GPS sync or any method for frequency reuse?
 Does anyone have several links on same tower using same frequency?
 How is it performing?

 Running out of 5 ghz for backhaul and ptmp use.  Planning on using
 Canopy PTP450 to upgrade my BH20 and PTP230 links but figured I would
 take a look at Ubiquiti too.





-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] source for 320 sm boots

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Hey, thats more info than I started with... thanks!!

On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 2:30 PM, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:

  Pretty sure Redline SU-OIA is the CPE which was equivalent to the Cambium
 320.
 That's a discontinued product now, so it might be a dead end.  I tried
 searching the legacy list archives but it doesn't seem to work.  Sorry
 buddy.


 On 7/13/2015 2:49 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

 Adam, any chance you could email tessco with your account number and an
 approximate time frame you ordered these? They can look up your history and
 get a part number

 On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 12:05 PM, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  At one time Redline sold the same Gemtek thingamajigger, but they sold
 the gland as a separate replacement item.  I found it on Tessco.  I don't
 know if that's still available, but when they were, they were $5/each.


 On 7/13/2015 12:56 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

 does anyone have a part number and vendor for these boots or something
 thats compatible?

  --
   If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
 team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.





  --
   If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
 team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.





-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

[AFMUG] source for 320 sm boots

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

does anyone have a part number and vendor for these boots or something
thats compatible?

-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Large Single Volume Data Storage Options

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

If its to avoid claims, affordable has a whole lot more wiggle room.

On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com wrote:

 I'm getting ready to install a 20+ camera system for a customer that
 want's 9-5 Full Time Recording with 30 days storage.  So he can go back and
 check work comp cases to see if employees were really hurt on the job. My
 Calcs come in at needing around 4-5tb of storage to accomplish this, so I'd
 like the server to have 6-8tb of storage for some overhead.  Rather than
 building out a server with a bunch of drive bays, RAID Card and
 mirroring/striping drives etc, I was wondering if anyone has used an
 External JBOD enclosure for this?  I'm thinking like a DROBO unit or
 similar.  Any Caveats to watch out for?  Is there too much disk IO to have
 this work well over a LAN, USB 3.0, or Thunderbolt connection?  What other
 (Affordable) options am I missing to get a bunch of storage in a single
 volume for the NVR?

 Nate




-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Installer Wages

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

It depends largely on your definition of installer too. "dumb ape go point
bowl shape thing at tower stick" is different than "Install an
aesthetically pleasing integrated system into a home while understanding
underlying construction technology and abiding by local ordinances and
applicable codes, and while youre at it, could you swing by the pop and
program a new router to replace the old one, and when youre done with that
can you see whats going on at that one site where we are dropping
subscribers every 15 minutes"



On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 9:50 AM, Jeremy  wrote:

> We are a small shop, one installer, $17 per hour (40-hour week - gets time
> and a half almost every week). We buy all his tools, fuel, and supply a
> truck.  No Insurance benefits at this time. Paid holidays - vacation
> probably after year one.
>
> On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 8:34 AM, Darin Steffl 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> What are of the US are you in and what is your average hourly rate for an
>> installer? What about an installer and tower climber 15-20% of the time?
>>
>> Any benefits, etc.? Looking for a big picture of what they make in a year
>> hourly and benefits they have as well.
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>> --
>> Darin Steffl
>> Minnesota WiFi
>> www.mnwifi.com
>> 507-634-WiFi
>>  Like us on Facebook
>> 
>>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Drone 1. Powerbeam 5AC. 0

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

shoot the drone, shoot the drone operator

On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 3:08 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Interferencecontroller about 30 ft away and drone above 70 ft tower
> maybe 30ft. When I saw it.   He brought it down and link came back up.  The
> back up M5 with beta firmware slowed down but kept working.and its an
> expression when something fails.
>
> Jaime Solorza
> On Oct 24, 2015 1:57 PM, "Sean Heskett"  wrote:
>
>> Probably interference more than path blockage.  The controllers typically
>> use 2.4ghz or 5ghz.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, October 24, 2015, Ty Featherling 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Did they fly in the path of the dish? How close did they get?
>>> On Oct 24, 2015 2:37 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Knocked link off the air.   Musicians flying next to Tower..
 Adios muchacho

 Jaime Solorza

>>>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

[AFMUG] still trying to get traceroute to reply from loopback

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Im still working at getting traceroutes from any direction to reply from
the same IP, would prefer it be the loopback that is used for OSPF router
IDs too. There are two reasons, one is to conserver our ARIN allocation and
to not have our internal IP space visible to customers (we are using 172.
stuff)

with mangle in the prerouting chain I can identify it by looking at ttl of
1.

I can set the action to increment by one and get it to forward up to the
next hop so the response of that and the second look duplicated.

Ive tried marking the packet and setting the gateway to the loopback ip,
but it doesnt seem to work, depending on what i do it either continues to
go to the next hop or it just kills the traceroute.

Im wondering if its got to do with the loopback being /32 or if its that im
stupid, probably a little of both.

Where is butch at?

-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] 2 wireless APs on bridged Mikrotik ports

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

not to be the dick, but why are you involved in this?
Did you provide the two routers?
If you did (this is the super dick part) why didnt you use the right
product for the job?

Have you looked in the netgears to see if they have any magician software
for a scenario like this? Sometimes these consumer garbage cans have some
crazy advanced features in their utility packages. or even something like a
dd-wrt load you can do something with.

Maybe you can do some magicsauce like setting the mac on the wireless
interface of the routers the same and see what happens, or stab the guy in
his eyesocket, thats alot of consumer wifi in such a small area to not stab
him.

On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 11:41 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

> This sounds like a good situation for a unifi system.
>
> -Sean
>
> On Wednesday, October 21, 2015, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> I have a customer who insisted he needed 2 dual band wireless APs 25 feet
>> apart in his ranch house.  So we have a managed non-WiFi Mikrotik RB2011 in
>> his basement, feeding two Netgear routers in wireless AP mode.  I have the
>> LAN ports bridged rather than using the switch chips, since there's plenty
>> of CPU power and it gives more visibility into the traffic.
>>
>> So counting 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz, the customer has 4 SSIDs and I think his
>> devices like iPads are jumping back and forth between networks.  And I
>> think bad things are happening because the bridging table can't keep track
>> of which port the clients are on.  I see weird things like the same amount
>> of traffic going out the ports to both wireless APs.  I never see a MAC
>> address on both bridge ports, but it is acting like the Mikrotik is
>> flooding traffic to both ports.
>>
>> Should I be tweaking parameters like reducing the ageing time below the
>> default 5 minutes?  Should I be using the switch chips and not bridging?
>>
>> Is this a typical problem when devices can choose between multiple APs
>> close together on the same bridged LAN?
>>
>>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] 2 wireless APs on bridged Mikrotik ports

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

If he switched to cable even with their managed router, he would be told
they can't support it
On Oct 22, 2015 12:11 PM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:

> I'm not sure if this matters in Ken's locale, but for us a consideration
> is "would this work if he switched to cable?".  If I can't be sure, then I
> might have to make it my problem just because.
>
>
> On 10/22/2015 12:57 PM, Chris Wright wrote:
>
> The problem of course is that all problems are Internet problems.  Until
> proven otherwise.  Everything from the server to the eyeball is our
> problem, at least until we can point the finger elsewhere.
>
>
>
> And in this case, since I am responsible for the Mikrotik, I want to make
> sure that a bridge ageing timeout of 5 minutes isn’t part of the problem,
> when clients can roam between bridge ports.
>
>
>
> That’s a good customer service-centric attitude. But don’t forget the
> bridge ageing timeout of 5 minutes works perfectly so long as the customer
> doesn’t screw it up with their four access points 25’ apart. You’re not
> fixing your problem now, you’re dancing around their mess.
>
>
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
> Velociter Wireless
>
> 209-838-1221 x115
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 22, 2015 9:01 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 2 wireless APs on bridged Mikrotik ports
>
>
>
> My takeway from this post is tell the customer to only join one network
> with each device, add more at their own peril.
>
>
>
> Thinking you can dictate to customers what they buy at Best Buy and
> install in their house is unrealistic.  Unless you want to be the Seinfeld
> Soup Nazi.
>
>
>
> In this case, we followed our standard policy which is we only support
> routers you lease from us, which will be a managed Mikrotik.  In this case
> the customer wanted 2 wireless access points in the house despite our
> advice that it was overkill, and wanted to own those not lease from us.  So
> they bought from the store and were informed the demarc is the Mikrotik.
>
>
>
> The problem of course is that all problems are Internet problems.  Until
> proven otherwise.  Everything from the server to the eyeball is our
> problem, at least until we can point the finger elsewhere.
>
>
>
> And in this case, since I am responsible for the Mikrotik, I want to make
> sure that a bridge ageing timeout of 5 minutes isn’t part of the problem,
> when clients can roam between bridge ports.
>
>
>
> The last thing I want to do is install a Unifi system for this customer,
> then I would be complicit in his nightmare network and obliged to make it
> work.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Eric Kuhnke 
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 22, 2015 9:56 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 2 wireless APs on bridged Mikrotik ports
>
>
>
> I don't understand why anyone would voluntarily take responsibility for
> managing netgear crap...  If you're going to have a residential customer
> you can take two approaches:
>
> 1) "Here is the demarc. Plug you 100BaseTX or 1000BaseT thing in here and
> you will get a DHCP address. Your router and your home LAN is entirely your
> responsibility"
>
> or
>
> 2) Full managed network where you control the SOHO router.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 7:22 AM, Jason Pond 
> wrote:
>
> Ken,
>
>
>
> If you are going to manage the network then manage the whole network.  As
> Steve said you do need to be using the right product.  The problem is
> between the netgear devices and the Customer WiFi devices.  Having them
> have ALL 4 SSID's in their device and it being able to see them all at the
> same time is causing the problem.  We see this frequently from netgear dual
> band routers when the client connects to both 2G ang 5G networks.
>
>
>
> Unifi is one of the better solution that is affordable on the market
> today.  I use it in my house (which does require 2 ap's for coverage) and
> it works great.  I can stream music or watch video through the whole house
> and not miss a beat when my device switches AP's and it is all the same
> SSID so less confusion on the customer side of things.
>
>
>
> This problem is getting worse and worse with dual band routers and I see
> it a lot with Netgear products.
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Jason Pond
>
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 8:12 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> What we have here is a failure to communicate?  I’m not understanding
> Josh’s suggestion, you mean do 4 SSIDs?
>
>
>
> Currently WAP1 has SSIDs Office and Office-5G.  WAP2 has SSIDs TVRoom and
> TVRoom-5G.  So there are already 4 SSIDs.
>
>
>
> But each WAP is fed from an Ethernet port on the Mikrotik.  And when a
> wireless client moves between WAPs, it is moving between Mikrotik ports.  I
> believe the 5 minute ageing time on the Mikrotik bridge means that MAC
> address persists on the original port for 5 minutes after it has 

Re: [AFMUG] ISPs "reminded" to not use government money for alcohol and vacations

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Wow its suprising that list didn't include ludes and hookers
On Oct 22, 2015 4:00 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
wrote:

> Emphasis on yourself. I want to go to Tahiti.
>
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 3:37 PM, Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:
>
>> He ought to be on a panel next year. He could give a class in his to
>> "leverage" government funds to better serve your customers and yourself
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015, 3:26 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>
>>> Seems like the government might want to scrutinize the ownership of
>>> vendors of funding recipients.  It ought to send up a red flag when they're
>>> buying lots of things from themselves.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/22/2015 4:17 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
>>>
>>> Sounds like this guy it for everyone.
>>>
>>>
>>> Since 2002, Sandwich Isles Communications has collected $242,489,940
>>> from the federal
>>> Universal Service Fund to serve no more than 3,659 customers.
>>> 2
>>> During that same time, Albert Hee, the
>>> owner of Sandwich Isles’s parent company Waimana Enterprises and
>>> affiliate ClearCom, apparently used
>>> the company as his family’s personal piggy bank. For example, the
>>> companies apparently paid $96,000
>>> so that Hee could receive two
>>> -
>>> hour massages twice a we
>>> ek; $119,909 for personal expenses, including
>>> family trips to Disney World, Tahiti, France, and Switzerland and a four
>>> -
>>> day family vacation at the
>>> Mauna Lani resort; $736,900 for college tuition and housing expenses for
>>> Hee’s three children;
>>> $1,300,000 for
>>> a home in Santa Clara, California for his children’s use as college
>>> housing; and
>>> $1,676,685 in wages and fringe benefits for his wife and three children.
>>> 3
>>> That’s not all. When the FCC last looked at Sandwich Isles’s corporate
>>> expenses, our staff found
>>> tha
>>> t it was spending $5,460,973 more on corporate operations each year than
>>> similarly sized companies,
>>> with significant management and leasing fees to affiliated companies
>>> (like Waimana and ClearCom) that
>>> benefited Hee and his family.
>>> 4
>>> On top of all that, sev
>>> en years ago, Sandwich Isles dropped a $1.9
>>> -
>>> million
>>> -
>>> a
>>> -
>>> year lease it had with
>>> an independent undersea cable network in favor of a $15
>>> -
>>> million
>>> -
>>> a
>>> -
>>> year lease for a cable network built by
>>> ClearCom and owned by Paniolo LLC.
>>> 5
>>> Unsurprisingly, Paniolo is itself ow
>>> ned by Blue Ivory LLC,
>>> which is wholly owned by Blue Ivory Hawaii Corporation, which in turn is
>>> owned by private trusts of
>>> Hee’s three children.
>>> 6
>>> What is worse, Sandwich Isles appears to no longer be paying what it
>>> owes to
>>> Paniolo
>>> —
>>> yet is still collecting
>>> payments from other rural telephone companies as if it were.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 1:14 PM, Steve  wrote:
>>>
 Already trying to control the money.  This is why we opted out of
 getting involved in any form of Government program.  It just allows them to
 keep their fingers up your ass and use you as a puppet.


 http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/10/isps-reminded-to-not-use-government-money-for-alchohol-and-vacations/

 Internet service providers who accept government funding in exchange
 for providing Internet access in rural areas were "reminded" this week that
 they're not allowed to use the money for food, alcohol, entertainment,
 personal travel, and other expenses unrelated to providing Internet access.

 The Federal Communications Commission issued a public notice with a
 "non-exhaustive list of expenditures" that cannot be reimbursed. The list
 includes all of the above as well as political contributions, charitable
 donations, scholarships, payment of penalties and fines, club membership
 fees, sponsorships of conferences and community events, gifts to employees,
 and personal expenses of employees and family members "including but not
 limited to personal expenses for housing, such as rent or mortgages."

>>>
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Can Rocket AC5 talk to M5?

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

will these M5s need their own bathroom?

On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 3:17 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> AC firmware for Rocket M5
>
> Jaime Solorza
> On Oct 21, 2015 2:16 PM, "Brett A Mansfield" 
> wrote:
>
>> BC?
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Brett A Mansfield
>>
>> > On Oct 21, 2015, at 2:13 PM, Keefe John  wrote:
>> >
>> > with the BC firmware.
>> >
>> >> On 10/21/2015 2:55 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Anyone try it?
>> >>
>> >> Jaime Solorza
>> >
>>
>>


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Re: [AFMUG] CPE Mikrotik

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Thats what I want, footprintish of a smartjack

Trying to even find these mikrotiks is beginning to frustrate me, the same
model number appears to be different products both in form and spec between
vendors. The cheapest our purchaser has been quoted from our normal vendors
on RB951G-2HND is 90 bucks


I wonder if you could do something like this metarouter thing for unused
ports on a demarc unit that just redirects all traffic on those ports to a
rickroll

On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

> When using it as a demarc for a small business, we mounted it to the wall
> and labeled it “ISP Demarc” with ISP name on Eth1 and customer name on
> Eth2.  Similar to a SmartJack shelf or an IAD.  People look at a 751 and
> think it’s a jack or a modem, not a router anyway.  We also put a sticker
> on it “Property of ”.
>
> The problem is computer consultants, in fact I just got off the phone with
> one having a hissy fit because we replaced a Frontier DSL modem with a
> managed RB2011 and he insists on being able to make changes.  I told him
> the customer is welcome to have you put in a router/firewall for them and
> then you can manage it, but not our managed router.  It also drives guys
> installing things like security cameras and POS terminals crazy they can’t
> just bring up a web GUI on 192.168.1.1 and guess the password.  We turn off
> all IP services except Winbox.
>
> To the computer consultants, it can be a real turf issue.  I don’t see
> why.  The customer can pay them to install and manage a router, that’s
> money in their pocket.  In some cases I think the subtext is they are
> getting kickbacks for recommending ISPs and don’t like the customer
> ordering service directly from one of the ISPs that doesn’t kick back a
> commission or recurring revenue.  I sometimes wonder if even the telcos do
> this, otherwise I can’t figure out why some of the computer guys recommend
> Frontier.
>
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, October 26, 2015 1:51 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CPE Mikrotik
>
> In my previous life, we liked the 450G with the plain unlabeled case from
> Baltic Networks and wall mount brackets.  It seemed people were less likely
> to play around with a black box mounted on the wall than with a desktop
> router.
>
> On 10/26/2015 12:58 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> We have used the RB750G or RB750 for a business demarc device.  Often with
> a routed /29 on the customer side (business IT guys are trained to ask for
> 5 public IPs whether they need them or not).
>
> I think the hEX and hEX Lite are the replacements for those.
>
>
> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, October 26, 2015 11:49 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CPE Mikrotik
>
> We bridge to the router. The 2011 are all big. I only need a couple ports
> at most available to the customer on the business side in most cases as
> they have their own firewall, I would just like the CPE router (not CPE
> radio) to be able to be a part of our L3 network when the need arises. this
> is more a demarc device on those business customers, for managed routers on
> our contract support customers we do Fortigate UTMs. I dont mind two
> devices to keep the separation between church and state. Contract services
> is a component that could leave our jurisdiction and I dont want to have
> taken liberties on the ISP network that would conflict with a third party
> IT taking over
>
> An example business customer im dealing with right now is a bank. they
> have 3 branches on our network A B C and two off our network D and E. We
> are their contract IT also.
>
> A B and C have us as their primary provider, A is their main branch. D
> have a cable connection with a DSL backup as well as a PtP t1 to A. E has
> cable/dsl as well. A B and C are all on our PmP wireless network for all
> intents and purposes (we have them on pmp solutions until saturation then
> move them to PtP), and we are turning up a 3rd party ptp fiber circuit
> between A and our NOC (they use our IP space). Our wireless having more
> capacity than the fiber contract.
>
> Their main branch, A gets to our noc via a licensed hop then an air fiber,
> each of those have backup 5ghz link. There is also an alt path on our
> network from the licensed link via another licensed link to our second
> provider (no bgp at present) and i am putting in an EOIP tunnel from
> provider 2 back to provider 1 to be able to keep their IP space in play(it
> is what it is). So in essence they have three paths to egress with multiple
> redundancies.
>
> I am planning on MPLS between their three on network sites, hence the need
&

Re: [AFMUG] More private address space was created in 2012?

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

I saw this the other day but figured it was above my pay grade

On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 8:14 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6598
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier-grade_NAT
>
> Apparently 100.64.0.0/10 was set aside for ISP NAT so we can assign a WAN
> address that was guaranteed not to collide with anybody's LAN address.  Am
> I the last one to notice?
>
>
>


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Re: [AFMUG] Epmp APs blowing Eth ports everywhere! is this a know issue?

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

our test site with early GPS units has blown ports in two switches, never
correlated it to the APs because it was during storms, and once the box had
snow come in through a tiny hole

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 10:52 AM, Jay Weekley 
wrote:

> Seem to have a problem with the SMs though we have lost one AP on a tower
> with 15 radios for no particular reason.
>
> Mike Hammett wrote:
>
>> I've had two go, but they were both early units. I'm not sure I've had
>> any sync ones lose it since then. I haven't lost any non-sync ones.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> 
>> *From: *"Gino Villarini" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Thursday, October 29, 2015 6:29:43 AM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Epmp APs blowing Eth ports everywhere! is this a know
>> issue?
>>
>> Having lost of trouble with Epmp APs Blowing Eth ports during storms...
>> other equipment on towers are unaffected! Is this a known issue? Poor
>> protection involved...???
>>
>> Its getting ridiculous!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>


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Re: [AFMUG] can airrouter hp do this or not?

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

can you separate the LAN ports in an air router

On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 9:26 AM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

> I haven't ever actually tried a setup like that, but you should be able to
> just bridge all of the ports and setup a queue for each one to limit the
> bandwidth. It would limit the bandwidth to your network along with
> everything else, but it should affect getting to anything.
>
> On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 7:17 AM, Tim Reichhart <
> timreichh...@hometowncable.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Mathew
>> Would I still be able to get to my network if I go this route? My setup
>> is under bridge mode?
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] can airrouter hp do this or not?
>> From: "Mathew Howard" 
>> To: af 
>> Date: 2015/10/27 04:59:52
>>
>> Yes, you could setup a seperate queue for each interface.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 10:25 PM, Tim Reichhart <
>> timreichh...@hometowncable.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Mathew
>> How miktroik be able to do this? Like with queues or something?
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] can airrouter hp do this or not?
>> From: "Mathew Howard" 
>> To: af 
>> Date: 10/27/15 12:26:12am
>>
>> A Mikrotik could do it...
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 5:50 PM, Rory Conaway 
>> wrote:
>> I just realized I missed what you said.  You can do it on the 4 Lan ports
>> together or the WAN port or both.  Just can't do each one of the 4 Lan
>> ports individually.
>>
>> Rory
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
>> Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 3:48 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] can airrouter hp do this or not?
>>
>> yes
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tim Reichhart
>> Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 3:47 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] can airrouter hp do this or not?
>>
>> I am just wondering if airrouter hp would be able to do this or not?
>> Basically I am looking to do is limit bandwidth on each port to 6meg on
>> 10/100 mbps port.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>


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Re: [AFMUG] Getting it done

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

my guys would have taken 2 days to assemble, one day to put up the section,
a half a day to load the gear in the van, which would make it too late to
hang the gear, theyd get out by noon the next day to hang it, get half done
by 4, even though we quit at 5, another day to finish installing, and id
have to send them back the next day because they forgot it needed cables

On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 3:50 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Oh that makes more sense =P
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 4:49 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> To add a section.   Yes i did
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>> On Oct 27, 2015 2:47 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> You used a gin pole for that?
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 4:44 PM, Jaime Solorza <
>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Installed 2.4GHz omni with Rocket 2. A Nanobeam AC.  120 Degree sector
 with M5 and 45 Degree sector with Rocket ACi moved all sectors to the
 top...

 Jaime Solorza

>>>
>>>
>


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Re: [AFMUG] Getting it done

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

jesus christ are you fucking nuts, could you imagine that attitude with
union backing?

On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 4:00 PM, James Howard <ja...@litewire.net> wrote:

> Sounds like they need to unionize.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
> /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 27, 2015 3:55 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Getting it done
>
>
>
> my guys would have taken 2 days to assemble, one day to put up the
> section, a half a day to load the gear in the van, which would make it too
> late to hang the gear, theyd get out by noon the next day to hang it, get
> half done by 4, even though we quit at 5, another day to finish installing,
> and id have to send them back the next day because they forgot it needed
> cables
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 3:50 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> wrote:
>
> Oh that makes more sense =P
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 4:49 PM, Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> To add a section.   Yes i did
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Oct 27, 2015 2:47 PM, "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> wrote:
>
> You used a gin pole for that?
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 4:44 PM, Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Installed 2.4GHz omni with Rocket 2. A Nanobeam AC.  120 Degree sector
> with M5 and 45 Degree sector with Rocket ACi moved all sectors to the
> top...
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
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Re: [AFMUG] gbit syncinjector with epmp

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

one is around 90 feet the other probably 120

there is a cross connect in the mix the guys supposedly tested, it is
connected at gigabit

On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 4:22 PM, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> wrote:

> How long are your cable runs?
>
> On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 5:21 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> we put a couple of these up yesterday since then they keep dropping sync
>> for a few seconds a few times an hour, they new APs 2.5.1 fw, configured to
>> sync from cmm4, am i doing something wrong here?
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>
>


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[AFMUG] gbit syncinjector with epmp

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

we put a couple of these up yesterday since then they keep dropping sync
for a few seconds a few times an hour, they new APs 2.5.1 fw, configured to
sync from cmm4, am i doing something wrong here?

-- 
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part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Bug outages

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

at least youre not dealing with these guys:

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/attack-crazy-ants-ant-species-arrives-taste-electronics/story?id=19246157

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 2:50 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Which NEMA classification?  I would expect bugs could get into a NEMA 3R
> but not a NEMA 4, unless they are getting in through vents or glands.
>
> Oh, and I can verify that mice can get through the holes in the back of
> Routerboard enclosures intended for antennas.  Need to put goof plugs in
> those.
>
> *From:* Nate Burke 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 28, 2015 2:14 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bug outages
>
> A NEMA will keep out rain, but not bugs.  I just had a sealed NEMA box
> filled with Ants (The little tiny ones).  Lucky I happened to be at the
> site just after they moved in before they caused any damage.  There's also
> a big giant spider that lives in there, but he doesn't cause me any
> problems, so I just let him watch while I'm working on it.
>
>
> On 10/28/2015 2:01 PM, Chris Fabien wrote:
>
> We see equipment failures from bugs occasionally. Generally in the spring
> and then some this time of year. Seems to be mostly ants. Not so much on
> our major tower sites, but on small repeaters we usually put a small
> plastic electrical enclosure and seal the cables with silicon. Ants seem to
> be able to chew right through it and start to nest inside the router
> (usually a RB750UP). Also lose a few CPE per year due to the same problem.
> We started putting some sort of ant poison granules in the boxes this year,
> seems to work but too early to know for sure.
>
> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Eric Muehleisen 
> wrote:
>
>> We keep our equipment in enclosures so they are protected and not
>> tampered with.
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 1:35 PM, Jeremy  wrote:
>>
>>> Any of you guys have bugs causing outages?  Our boxes are all pretty
>>> well sealed, but our commercial tower site that we lease space on is packed
>>> full of Box Elder bugs, stink bugs, wasps, ladybugs, and mice.  They all
>>> seem to be seeking warmth for the coming winter.  We lost two major
>>> switches in two days, I believe due to bugs climbing inside and shorting
>>> out the switches.  I've screened the replacement.  Here's hoping that it
>>> works!!!
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>


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Re: [AFMUG] Getting it done

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

We have a manufacturer here, they had 2 plants, one here, one in mexico.
The union was always a problem, they went on strike, half the guys were in
the bar when they were supposed to be on strike duty laughing about it. It
came to a point the company told the union, either give a little or we will
close the doors, in true union fashion, the union dug in. The plant closed.
It was shortly bought up by another company ( I assume the trail of
ownership leads back to the same owners) which opened up, offered the union
guys their jobs back, with cuts of course, in a non union shop. The
majority of them refused. A lot of those guys ended up losing their homes
when the unemployment extensions ran out. That's the union mentality.
UAW recently got the new staff to vote on organizing, luckily, most of the
staff there now are younger guys who didn't grow up in the nonsense of a
union shop and overwhelmingly voted it down.

One other plant here when I was in my teens went on an 18 month strike,
there were roads everybody knew not to drive on because these winners kept
dropping nails (they did something with them to ensure they weren't
technically jackrocks) That plant never has recovered, its like something
around 18% union, the rest was all legally replaced with outsourced staff
since even the unions cant protect your job when you don't show up to it
for a year and a half. I heard that early next year theyre laying off
another 200

I reroofed that plant one year. looking from the top down at the campus, it
really used to be something, now the whole facility is in decay, two whole
subdivisions in this town were built solely to house these employees, now
both are one crack dealer away from being ghettos.. thanks unions

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 2:01 PM, Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Friday a friend who had our service before we sold described his
> experience having Verizon fiber installed. He said it took a ton of people
> and about 10 weeks. According to him:
> 1 to trench the duct from the hand hold to the end of the ROW
> 2 to trench the duct from the ROW to the entry point
> 1 to run duct from the entry point to end point
> 2 to run the fiber in said ducts
> 1 to terminate the fiber
> 1 to plug it in
> 1 to turn it on and configure it.
>
> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 11:01 AM, D. Ryan Spott <rsp...@ngc457.com> wrote:
>
>> A friend of mine worked for a very large telco as an non-represented IT
>> guy working on local LANs.
>>
>> One of his co-workers was friendly with an IBEW telco guy and let him
>> watch the install of a Cisco 2500 series router with a T1.
>>
>> IBEW declared that work to be Union work. They demanded, and got, the
>> previous 7 years of hourly pay that !2! Union employees would have gotten
>> for ALL the router installs nationwide. Not a single Union member got any
>> part of those monies. :(
>>
>> They tried to make it so Union members would need to plug and unplug hard
>> drives inside machines after a nonunion person unscrewed and opened them.
>>
>> Silly Union things. I am the son of a Union mason/carpenter. I love
>> wearing my grandfathers 50 year IBEW pin when I go to the power company to
>> talk about poles. ;) eyes bug out.
>>
>> ryan
>>
>> --
>> D. Ryan Spott | NGC457, llc
>> broadband | telco | colo | communities
>> PO Box 1734 Sultan, WA 98294
>> 425-939-0047
>>
>> On Oct 27, 2015, at 14:44, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>
>> My first job out of college was at the manufacturing arm of GTE.  It was
>> a union shop, even the secretaries were union.  I was an engineer and non
>> union, but we got whatever COL increase the union got.
>>
>> Every couple years the contract would come up for renewal, and the whole
>> factory would work overtime to stockpile enough product for a 2 week
>> strike.  Then there would be a strike, which was like a vacation for the
>> workers, who had all that overtime money banked.  Then the union would
>> settle for pretty much the original offer, and everyone would go back to
>> work.
>>
>> One year while I was there, there was no strike.  So there had to be a 2
>> week layoff while they worked off all that inventory they had stockpiled.
>> I guess it worked out the same in the end.
>>
>> As a new guy, I got my hand slapped a couple times.  Had to learn not to
>> give typing to a secretary, that went to a clerk-typist.  And one time I
>> took off a wallplate to check if the outlet was grounded, and nearly had a
>> union grievance.
>>
>> *From:* James Howard <ja...@litewire.net>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 27, 2015 4:15 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 

Re: [AFMUG] New York Attorney General Probes Broadband Speeds - WSJ

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

thats pretty broad, you would think its also private business information

On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 10:10 AM, Christopher Tyler <
ch...@totalhighspeed.net> wrote:

> Wow
>
> "The office requested detailed information from each of the companies on
> their network management and advertising practices, including copies of all
> broadband customer complaints related to discrepancies between actual and
> advertised speeds and all “interconnection” agreements, formal and
> informal, that the companies have struck with third parties."
>
> --
> Christopher Tyler
> MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
> Total Highspeed Internet Services
> 417.851.1107
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jaime Solorza" 
> To: "Animal Farm" 
> Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 10:06:22 AM
> Subject: [AFMUG] New York Attorney General Probes Broadband Speeds - WSJ
>
>
> http://www.wsj.com/articles/new-york-attorney-general-probes-broadband-speeds-1445870078
>
> Jaime Solorza
>



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[AFMUG] CPE Mikrotik

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

back looking at a cpe mikrotik, I would prefer to stock one unit for
residential and business customers, I just dont know what can actually
handle what reliably.

For the residential side, not much more than the equivalent of a ubnt air
router, at that price point, i think at one point we were paying 29 a piece
for 20 packs or something to that effect, i dont know if thats still
accurate.

on the business customer side it may need to participate in OSPF and
MPLS/EOIP, wireless not being required.

I would prefer Gigabit Ethernet, SPF not a requirement for the standard
drop device.

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part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] CPE Mikrotik

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

We bridge to the router. The 2011 are all big. I only need a couple ports
at most available to the customer on the business side in most cases as
they have their own firewall, I would just like the CPE router (not CPE
radio) to be able to be a part of our L3 network when the need arises. this
is more a demarc device on those business customers, for managed routers on
our contract support customers we do Fortigate UTMs. I dont mind two
devices to keep the separation between church and state. Contract services
is a component that could leave our jurisdiction and I dont want to have
taken liberties on the ISP network that would conflict with a third party
IT taking over

An example business customer im dealing with right now is a bank. they have
3 branches on our network A B C and two off our network D and E. We are
their contract IT also.

A B and C have us as their primary provider, A is their main branch. D have
a cable connection with a DSL backup as well as a PtP t1 to A. E has
cable/dsl as well. A B and C are all on our PmP wireless network for all
intents and purposes (we have them on pmp solutions until saturation then
move them to PtP), and we are turning up a 3rd party ptp fiber circuit
between A and our NOC (they use our IP space). Our wireless having more
capacity than the fiber contract.

Their main branch, A gets to our noc via a licensed hop then an air fiber,
each of those have backup 5ghz link. There is also an alt path on our
network from the licensed link via another licensed link to our second
provider (no bgp at present) and i am putting in an EOIP tunnel from
provider 2 back to provider 1 to be able to keep their IP space in play(it
is what it is). So in essence they have three paths to egress with multiple
redundancies.

I am planning on MPLS between their three on network sites, hence the need
for demarcation between us and their fortigates.

If I can do this with a 50 dollar router that we keep on hand for
residential CPE as well, that makes me happy.


Is this convoluted enough?




On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 11:05 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

> We use RB951G-2HnD.  Yes it costs a few bucks more, but it’s worth it to
> stock one router, and it has been very reliable.  If we were going through
> boatloads of them, I guess we might look at stocking more models to save a
> few bucks.
>
> For businesses that need more wired ports, or installations where we think
> we need external antennas, we use RB2011UiAS-2HnD-N.  We also have a few
> CRS125 models out there, like as a demarc for multiple tenants.
>
> I am debating whether to look at the new Cambium models, mainly to get an
> 802.11ac product, but integrating the POE and ATA functions would simplify
> wiring for residential customers.  Just not sure it would let us manage the
> VoIP function the way we like, also not sure I want to give up the outboard
> POE with surge protection.
>
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, October 26, 2015 10:38 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CPE Mikrotik
>
> Router?  Rb2011 are great and about $100.  The 951 is cheaper for the
> residents.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 11:19 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> back looking at a cpe mikrotik, I would prefer to stock one unit for
>> residential and business customers, I just dont know what can actually
>> handle what reliably.
>>
>> For the residential side, not much more than the equivalent of a ubnt air
>> router, at that price point, i think at one point we were paying 29 a piece
>> for 20 packs or something to that effect, i dont know if thats still
>> accurate.
>>
>> on the business customer side it may need to participate in OSPF and
>> MPLS/EOIP, wireless not being required.
>>
>> I would prefer Gigabit Ethernet, SPF not a requirement for the standard
>> drop device.
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Eth Surge Protectors ?? Any good?

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

I would say yes, as long as you keep them away from any surges you should
be fine.

On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 11:26 AM, Gino Villarini 
wrote:

> Ran out of WBMFG GigESS and need to protect some AF24 units, are the UBNT
> SS units any good?
>
> A local shop has some stock on them
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] CPE Mikrotik

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

I have an old 750 at home and we had tried on on our network as a "CPE" for
our billing server, but it seemed to get overwhelmed and cranky, I assumed
it was the combination OSPF and few policies on it

On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 11:58 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

> We have used the RB750G or RB750 for a business demarc device.  Often with
> a routed /29 on the customer side (business IT guys are trained to ask for
> 5 public IPs whether they need them or not).
>
> I think the hEX and hEX Lite are the replacements for those.
>
>
> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, October 26, 2015 11:49 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CPE Mikrotik
>
> We bridge to the router. The 2011 are all big. I only need a couple ports
> at most available to the customer on the business side in most cases as
> they have their own firewall, I would just like the CPE router (not CPE
> radio) to be able to be a part of our L3 network when the need arises. this
> is more a demarc device on those business customers, for managed routers on
> our contract support customers we do Fortigate UTMs. I dont mind two
> devices to keep the separation between church and state. Contract services
> is a component that could leave our jurisdiction and I dont want to have
> taken liberties on the ISP network that would conflict with a third party
> IT taking over
>
> An example business customer im dealing with right now is a bank. they
> have 3 branches on our network A B C and two off our network D and E. We
> are their contract IT also.
>
> A B and C have us as their primary provider, A is their main branch. D
> have a cable connection with a DSL backup as well as a PtP t1 to A. E has
> cable/dsl as well. A B and C are all on our PmP wireless network for all
> intents and purposes (we have them on pmp solutions until saturation then
> move them to PtP), and we are turning up a 3rd party ptp fiber circuit
> between A and our NOC (they use our IP space). Our wireless having more
> capacity than the fiber contract.
>
> Their main branch, A gets to our noc via a licensed hop then an air fiber,
> each of those have backup 5ghz link. There is also an alt path on our
> network from the licensed link via another licensed link to our second
> provider (no bgp at present) and i am putting in an EOIP tunnel from
> provider 2 back to provider 1 to be able to keep their IP space in play(it
> is what it is). So in essence they have three paths to egress with multiple
> redundancies.
>
> I am planning on MPLS between their three on network sites, hence the need
> for demarcation between us and their fortigates.
>
> If I can do this with a 50 dollar router that we keep on hand for
> residential CPE as well, that makes me happy.
>
>
> Is this convoluted enough?
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 11:05 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>
>> We use RB951G-2HnD.  Yes it costs a few bucks more, but it’s worth it to
>> stock one router, and it has been very reliable.  If we were going through
>> boatloads of them, I guess we might look at stocking more models to save a
>> few bucks.
>>
>> For businesses that need more wired ports, or installations where we
>> think we need external antennas, we use RB2011UiAS-2HnD-N.  We also have a
>> few CRS125 models out there, like as a demarc for multiple tenants.
>>
>> I am debating whether to look at the new Cambium models, mainly to get an
>> 802.11ac product, but integrating the POE and ATA functions would simplify
>> wiring for residential customers.  Just not sure it would let us manage the
>> VoIP function the way we like, also not sure I want to give up the outboard
>> POE with surge protection.
>>
>>
>> *From:* Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>> *Sent:* Monday, October 26, 2015 10:38 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CPE Mikrotik
>>
>> Router?  Rb2011 are great and about $100.  The 951 is cheaper for the
>> residents.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 11:19 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> back looking at a cpe mikrotik, I would prefer to stock one unit for
>>> residential and business customers, I just dont know what can actually
>>> handle what reliably.
>>>
>>> For the residential side, not much more than the equivalent of a ubnt
>>> air router, at that price point, i think at one point we were pay

Re: [AFMUG] CPE Mikrotik

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

this is what you refer to when you say hEX? http://routerboard.com/RB750Gr2

as opposed to: http://routerboard.com/RB951G-2HnD

The differences being the hex has more processor, less RAM and no wireless?

I really like these mikrotiks, but trying to figure out specs vs part
numbers vs common names is as confusing to me as a power tool to a woman

On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 12:08 PM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Yep, those are direct replacements... basically the same thing, just a bit
> more powerful hardware. Sounds to me like the hEX would be perfect here.
>
> On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 11:58 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>
>> We have used the RB750G or RB750 for a business demarc device.  Often
>> with a routed /29 on the customer side (business IT guys are trained to ask
>> for 5 public IPs whether they need them or not).
>>
>> I think the hEX and hEX Lite are the replacements for those.
>>
>>
>> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Monday, October 26, 2015 11:49 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CPE Mikrotik
>>
>> We bridge to the router. The 2011 are all big. I only need a couple ports
>> at most available to the customer on the business side in most cases as
>> they have their own firewall, I would just like the CPE router (not CPE
>> radio) to be able to be a part of our L3 network when the need arises. this
>> is more a demarc device on those business customers, for managed routers on
>> our contract support customers we do Fortigate UTMs. I dont mind two
>> devices to keep the separation between church and state. Contract services
>> is a component that could leave our jurisdiction and I dont want to have
>> taken liberties on the ISP network that would conflict with a third party
>> IT taking over
>>
>> An example business customer im dealing with right now is a bank. they
>> have 3 branches on our network A B C and two off our network D and E. We
>> are their contract IT also.
>>
>> A B and C have us as their primary provider, A is their main branch. D
>> have a cable connection with a DSL backup as well as a PtP t1 to A. E has
>> cable/dsl as well. A B and C are all on our PmP wireless network for all
>> intents and purposes (we have them on pmp solutions until saturation then
>> move them to PtP), and we are turning up a 3rd party ptp fiber circuit
>> between A and our NOC (they use our IP space). Our wireless having more
>> capacity than the fiber contract.
>>
>> Their main branch, A gets to our noc via a licensed hop then an air
>> fiber, each of those have backup 5ghz link. There is also an alt path on
>> our network from the licensed link via another licensed link to our second
>> provider (no bgp at present) and i am putting in an EOIP tunnel from
>> provider 2 back to provider 1 to be able to keep their IP space in play(it
>> is what it is). So in essence they have three paths to egress with multiple
>> redundancies.
>>
>> I am planning on MPLS between their three on network sites, hence the
>> need for demarcation between us and their fortigates.
>>
>> If I can do this with a 50 dollar router that we keep on hand for
>> residential CPE as well, that makes me happy.
>>
>>
>> Is this convoluted enough?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 11:05 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>
>>> We use RB951G-2HnD.  Yes it costs a few bucks more, but it’s worth it to
>>> stock one router, and it has been very reliable.  If we were going through
>>> boatloads of them, I guess we might look at stocking more models to save a
>>> few bucks.
>>>
>>> For businesses that need more wired ports, or installations where we
>>> think we need external antennas, we use RB2011UiAS-2HnD-N.  We also have a
>>> few CRS125 models out there, like as a demarc for multiple tenants.
>>>
>>> I am debating whether to look at the new Cambium models, mainly to get
>>> an 802.11ac product, but integrating the POE and ATA functions would
>>> simplify wiring for residential customers.  Just not sure it would let us
>>> manage the VoIP function the way we like, also not sure I want to give up
>>> the outboard POE with surge protection.
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>>> *Sent:* Monday, October 26, 2015 10:38 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CPE Mikrotik
>>>
>>> Router?  Rb2011 are great and about $100.  The 951 is cheaper for

Re: [AFMUG] Powercode + emp users wanting to use cnMaestro

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

id be alot more comfortable with simon still at the helm integrating a new
system

On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 10:08 PM, Josh Baird  wrote:

> Probably a dumb question from someone who knows nothing about cnMaestro:
>
> Do the radios (access points, SM, etc) on your network need to communicate
> with Cambium over the internet for this tool to work?
>
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 5:23 PM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
>
>> 2.5 added it.
>>
>> 2.5.1 has some fixes and a security hole patch.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Oct 22, 2015 5:19 PM, "Vince West"  wrote:
>>
>>> This worked out well for us. I did almost all of my sites yesterday.
>>>
>>> Just make sure you have a version of software on the APs and SMs that
>>> allow for cnMaestro. I am not sure which version added it.
>>>
>>> Vince West
>>> Tower Hand
>>> Technical Support
>>> Shelby Broadband
>>> 148 Citizens Blvd
>>> Simpsonville, KY 40067
>>> Phone: 1-888-364-4232
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 3:07 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
 This might make the adoption part easier for you...

 http://ram.iam8up.com/?p=42

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

>>>
>>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Powercode + emp users wanting to use cnMaestro

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

heh, fees

On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 10:46 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

> SOB.
>
> That will happen *later, and there *will be licensing fees.
>
> On 10/22/2015 10:43 PM, George Skorup wrote:
>
> That will happen alter, and there iwll be licensing fees.
>
> On 10/22/2015 10:40 PM, Josh Baird wrote:
>
> I thought so.  Our radio management network doesn't have direct internet
> access (no NAT).  I guess that can change, but an on-premise cnMaestro
> would be nice.
>
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 11:35 PM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
>> The radios send the bits of info to the server every 5? minutes.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Oct 22, 2015 11:08 PM, "Josh Baird"  wrote:
>>
>>> Probably a dumb question from someone who knows nothing about cnMaestro:
>>>
>>> Do the radios (access points, SM, etc) on your network need to
>>> communicate with Cambium over the internet for this tool to work?
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 5:23 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
 2.5 added it.

 2.5.1 has some fixes and a security hole patch.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Oct 22, 2015 5:19 PM, "Vince West" < 
 vi...@shelbybb.com> wrote:

> This worked out well for us. I did almost all of my sites yesterday.
>
> Just make sure you have a version of software on the APs and SMs that
> allow for cnMaestro. I am not sure which version added it.
>
> Vince West
> Tower Hand
> Technical Support
> Shelby Broadband
> 148 Citizens Blvd
> Simpsonville, KY 40067
> Phone: 1-888-364-4232
>
> On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 3:07 PM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
>> This might make the adoption part easier for you...
>>
>> http://ram.iam8up.com/?p=42
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>
>
>>>
>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Powercode + emp users wanting to use cnMaestro

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

ahhh, I was wondering where the prizm moto would come in. The web based
deal will be great initially then featurelocked or some such deal, enough
to get you hooked, but to "really feel the magnificent pony cock power"
youll want this bad boy on premise. A small transfer fee to move your data,
an installation guide in hebrew with an aztec dialect, but for a small fee
theyll send you a vm prebuilt, now to keep the vm appliance unlocked, a
nominal fee based on the number of SMs, another small fee for the number of
characters in your encryption keys, a nominal forfiture of cash to be able
to display the console on anything other than a 5 inch monochrome POS
terminal monitor. And 42 thousand dollars to unlock the browser extension
that allows you to use a browser other than netscape navigator 2.1. Oh, and
its all java based, fully supporting java v 3.1.34.43233.222. and no
other

On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 10:53 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

> I should rephrase. There will likely be some license fee for the NOC
> version. I forget which presentation or webinar I watched where they talked
> about it. I think it's on their forum in the ePMP section maybe. I'm tired.
> And lazy.
>
> On 10/22/2015 10:46 PM, George Skorup wrote:
>
> SOB.
>
> That will happen *later, and there *will be licensing fees.
>
> On 10/22/2015 10:43 PM, George Skorup wrote:
>
> That will happen alter, and there iwll be licensing fees.
>
> On 10/22/2015 10:40 PM, Josh Baird wrote:
>
> I thought so.  Our radio management network doesn't have direct internet
> access (no NAT).  I guess that can change, but an on-premise cnMaestro
> would be nice.
>
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 11:35 PM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
>> The radios send the bits of info to the server every 5? minutes.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Oct 22, 2015 11:08 PM, "Josh Baird"  wrote:
>>
>>> Probably a dumb question from someone who knows nothing about cnMaestro:
>>>
>>> Do the radios (access points, SM, etc) on your network need to
>>> communicate with Cambium over the internet for this tool to work?
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 5:23 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
 2.5 added it.

 2.5.1 has some fixes and a security hole patch.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Oct 22, 2015 5:19 PM, "Vince West" < 
 vi...@shelbybb.com> wrote:

> This worked out well for us. I did almost all of my sites yesterday.
>
> Just make sure you have a version of software on the APs and SMs that
> allow for cnMaestro. I am not sure which version added it.
>
> Vince West
> Tower Hand
> Technical Support
> Shelby Broadband
> 148 Citizens Blvd
> Simpsonville, KY 40067
> Phone: 1-888-364-4232
>
> On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 3:07 PM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
>> This might make the adoption part easier for you...
>>
>> http://ram.iam8up.com/?p=42
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>
>
>>>
>
>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Rocket AC Prism

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

water is frozen alot in november, will the guys in the rowboat also have
snowshoes

On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 11:22 PM, Ben Moore  wrote:

> Hi Rory -
>
> Pricing will be release tomorrow or Monday, but will be close to current
> PTP/PTMP rockets.  I would not expect them to start hitting until mid
> November.
>
> Thanks,
> Ben
>
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 10:19 PM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
>
>> What is it going to cost and if I wanted 5 of them, what are the chances
>> of getting them before November 10th?
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>>
>> *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>>
>> *602-426-0542 <602-426-0542>*
>>
>> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>>
>> *www.triadwireless.net *
>>
>>
>>
>> *“Progress always involves risks. You can't steal second base and keep
>> your foot on first. “~Frederick B. Wilcox*
>>
>>
>>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] still trying to get traceroute to reply from loopback

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

I have had to post this at the mikrotik forum, I assume im going to be
berated and browbeaten. It is doable somehow, Ive come across paths with
hops that respond from the same IP running traceroute both directions. Its
got to have something to do with it starting as a prerouting-forward packet
that has to change to an output packet

On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 10:53 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> When I add the loopback IP as the gateway for the traceroute mark it says
> unreachable
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 6:37 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>
>> I haven't found a method of IP conservation I'm happy with while still
>> routing at each tower. If I have MPLS underneath and use tunnels
>> everywhere, I now have a bunch of IPs for tunnels between each PE to each
>> tower instead of just between each router. At some number of PEs, I'll have
>> more IPs in use there than if I just routed tower to tower.
>>
>> *shrugs*
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> --
>> *From: *"That One Guy /sarcasm" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Thursday, October 22, 2015 1:40:02 AM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] still trying to get traceroute to reply from loopback
>>
>>
>> Im still working at getting traceroutes from any direction to reply from
>> the same IP, would prefer it be the loopback that is used for OSPF router
>> IDs too. There are two reasons, one is to conserver our ARIN allocation and
>> to not have our internal IP space visible to customers (we are using 172.
>> stuff)
>>
>> with mangle in the prerouting chain I can identify it by looking at ttl
>> of 1.
>>
>> I can set the action to increment by one and get it to forward up to the
>> next hop so the response of that and the second look duplicated.
>>
>> Ive tried marking the packet and setting the gateway to the loopback ip,
>> but it doesnt seem to work, depending on what i do it either continues to
>> go to the next hop or it just kills the traceroute.
>>
>> Im wondering if its got to do with the loopback being /32 or if its that
>> im stupid, probably a little of both.
>>
>> Where is butch at?
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

[AFMUG] is arp in english?

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

this may sound pretty dumb

It applies to most networking, but arp in particular. when we see in a
packet capture the arp traffic, we see "who has" and "is at"

Is this just a visual representation of a small amount of binary data in
our native language of the software package we are using, or is the english
language actually coded into it?

-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] still trying to get traceroute to reply from loopback

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

When I add the loopback IP as the gateway for the traceroute mark it says
unreachable


On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 6:37 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

> I haven't found a method of IP conservation I'm happy with while still
> routing at each tower. If I have MPLS underneath and use tunnels
> everywhere, I now have a bunch of IPs for tunnels between each PE to each
> tower instead of just between each router. At some number of PEs, I'll have
> more IPs in use there than if I just routed tower to tower.
>
> *shrugs*
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> ------
> *From: *"That One Guy /sarcasm" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, October 22, 2015 1:40:02 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] still trying to get traceroute to reply from loopback
>
>
> Im still working at getting traceroutes from any direction to reply from
> the same IP, would prefer it be the loopback that is used for OSPF router
> IDs too. There are two reasons, one is to conserver our ARIN allocation and
> to not have our internal IP space visible to customers (we are using 172.
> stuff)
>
> with mangle in the prerouting chain I can identify it by looking at ttl of
> 1.
>
> I can set the action to increment by one and get it to forward up to the
> next hop so the response of that and the second look duplicated.
>
> Ive tried marking the packet and setting the gateway to the loopback ip,
> but it doesnt seem to work, depending on what i do it either continues to
> go to the next hop or it just kills the traceroute.
>
> Im wondering if its got to do with the loopback being /32 or if its that
> im stupid, probably a little of both.
>
> Where is butch at?
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: BttF

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

google is a disappointment today

On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 6:46 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> USA Today is using the 2015 "future" logo on their website.
>
> ~Seth
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Can Rocket AC5 talk to M5?

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

That is the worst forum for asshole posting links to threads when you ask a
question, half the time the linked thread doesnt answer the question, its
just that asshole not answering somebody elses question while trying to
feel superior. Most of the useful people are here and willing to answer a
question without alot of jackbaggery. I think alot of the people on the
ubnt forum are actually just part of a multinational bukake ring that
communicates in code the location and time of the next circle

On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 8:33 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> I am cleansed.  Time for a Tecate
>
> Jaime Solorza
> On Oct 21, 2015 6:50 PM, "Peter Kranz"  wrote:
>
>> The forums are ok, but I do not use them much anymore except for targeted
>> searches because I got tired of the trolls everywhere who seem to sprout
>> information from their butts. You need a lot of base knowledge to figure
>> out if people responding to your thread even have a clue. There are some
>> users who reply to every single post it seems with information that is
>> generally wrong or at least full of assumptions.
>>
>>
>>
>> -PK
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Brett A Mansfield
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 21, 2015 3:47 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Can Rocket AC5 talk to M5?
>>
>>
>>
>> That is great to hear!
>>
>>
>>
>> I really think that the UBNT forums are not easy to navigate and they
>> don't give good search results. Am I the only one that thinks this?
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Brett A Mansfield
>>
>>
>> On Oct 21, 2015, at 4:32 PM, Peter Kranz  wrote:
>>
>> Based on my experience so far, backwards compatible AC is a real game
>> changer for those running M networks. A simple AP swap is giving me massive
>> improvements in performance for legacy M clients. I need more data, but it
>> looks like I’m seeing 2x performance overall on loaded sectors. I think
>> this is due to:
>>
>>
>>
>> 1.  Faster CPU and Hardware Airmax offload on AC access point
>>
>> 2.  Improved AC RF front-end filtering reducing noise floor on
>> channel
>>
>> 3.  Elimination of the software Airmax energy detect transmit defer
>> issue
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Peter Kranz*www.UnwiredLtd.com 
>> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
>> Mobile: 510-207-
>> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 21, 2015 2:54 PM
>> *To:* Animal Farm 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Can Rocket AC5 talk to M5?
>>
>>
>>
>> We are up and running.49Mbps At 7.3 miles out of a 50mbps feed.  Damn
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> Found them.  Thx
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Oct 21, 2015 3:11 PM, "Jon Langeler" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> It took some searching for me also...but it's there.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>> On Oct 21, 2015, at 4:51 PM, Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Can't find them. Arrrgh
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Oct 21, 2015 2:46 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Looking.
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Oct 21, 2015 2:23 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I thought B.C. meant before Christ !   so much for the history date
>> lesson.
>>
>> It is my understanding that you need to
>>
>> install the AirOS 8 (beta) on AC radio
>> and install AirOS 6 (beta) on the M Radios
>>
>> for the two to talk to each other.
>>
>> Check the Ubiquiti Beta Forum for more details.
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>> 
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> > From: "Brett A Mansfield" 
>> > To: af@afmug.com
>> > Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 4:15:58 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Can Rocket AC5 talk to M5?
>>
>> > BC?
>> >
>> > Thank you,
>> > Brett A Mansfield
>> >
>> >> On Oct 21, 2015, at 2:13 PM, Keefe John  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> with the BC firmware.
>> >>
>> >>> On 10/21/2015 2:55 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Anyone try it?
>> >>>
>> >>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>>


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part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] PCI compliance and managed router

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

I think it was Visa processors that are causing this stink, Visa is trying
to have CYA

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 4:47 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

> traffic between their credit card terminal and the processor should be
> end-to-end encrypted. Audits of their network equipment would be required
> for PCI compliance *if* they were storing card info in plaintext anywhere
> on their LAN, which they are not.
>
> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 11:54 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> I have always heard of PCI compliance in terms of a business like a gas
>> station where customers swipe cards at the pumps.
>>
>> But I have a customer with a credit card reader terminal in their office
>> that is making this big fuss because they annually do a PCI audit
>> apparently to avoid a $20/month fee from their credit card processor.
>> Maybe I don't even realize we pay that, there is some $200/year PCI
>> compliance fee we pay.
>>
>> Anyway, this is not where some auditors show up, but rather a cloud based
>> scan they run from one of their computers until they pass, then they print
>> out the report and send it in.
>>
>> And apparently the customer decided to have us replace Frontier and then
>> do their annual scan the next day.  They claim they passed every year
>> previous, hard to believe the Frontier modem they were using as their
>> router having username/password set to admin/admin was not an issue.  Their
>> first complaint to us was their WiFi password was not complex enough.
>> Well, we just set it to what you were already using.  Then they had some
>> complaint about DNS.
>>
>> Now they are saying they have to report that we manage the router
>> remotely, and that may be a problem.  Is it?  We close off everything but
>> Winbox.  It seems a lot more secure to me than having a web interface with
>> admin/admin. I told the customer they are welcome to supply and manage
>> their own router, but if they get a leased, managed router from us, well
>> ... we manage it. Remotely.
>>
>> Has anyone dealt with this issue already?
>>
>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] CentOS 6.7 or 7?

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Im not a gifted linux guy, I have to rely on google for alot of what I need
to do, installing things in particular to test. In the last couple months
all the results are for 7, so it seems the trend is to move toward it. I
can see the compatibility issues with some of the major changes. It appears
existing software that is still maintained has migrated to 7 compatibility.

For now though, I stick with 6 because thats what everything i have is on

On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 9:59 AM, Joshaven Mailing Lists  wrote:

> +1 for Ubuntu LTS
>
> Although I wouldn’t be disappointed with CentOS…. Just don’t make me
> administrate Windows and especially not Exchange & MS SQL
>
>
> Sincerely,
> Joshaven Potter
> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, UACA
> Google Hangouts: yourt...@gmail.com
> Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370
> supp...@joshaven.com
>
>
>
> > On Nov 10, 2015, at 10:51 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> >
> > EOS dates are one thing, working reliably is the main thing.
> >
> > I just went through this decision migrating a couple of CentOS 5 systems
> to CentOS 6.7.
> >
> > I looked hard at CentOS 7, but it looks a little too green for now.
> >
> > bp
> > 
> >
> > On 11/9/2015 9:41 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> >> There seems to be a fair bit of dissatisfaction with RHEL7/CentOS 7.
> I'm building a couple new servers, if my others are running CentOS 6 and do
> what I need, should I resist the temptation to jump to 7?  I think CentOS 6
> EOS dates are 2017 for full updates and 2020 for maintenance updates?
> >>
> >> I know some people will say switch to Ubuntu or Debian or whatever,
> let's assume I am staying with CentOS, I'm just asking 6 or 7?
> >>
> >
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik fair queues over a variable speed link?

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

So doing the same, you could have interval scripted speedtests to define
your rate?5 second speedtest every 10 or 15 minutes or something of that
nature, use the result to define your speed?

Thats what that one system does with the brains and nodes or whatever, I
cant remember what its called, I havent heard anybody talk about it in a
while

On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 2:16 PM, Joshaven Mailing Lists 
wrote:

> I have a different approach to recommend that I believe turns the can’t
> into a can.
>
> What you can do is ensure that the type of service mark ( DSCP ) is set in
> accordance with your preference.  Then you can setup QoS on any of your
> radio links such that they prioritize the important traffic.  That way when
> the deliverable bandwidth is unexpectedly low the right traffic makes it
> and the other traffic is held back or dropped.
>
> If your looking for a simple miens of setting the DSCP, you can trust the
> DSCP setting from your client by adding connection marks to the connections
> then on ingress to your network you can remark the traffic in those
> connections.  ( You’ll find that most traffic that has transversed the
> internet has had the DSCP bits reset so you don’t want to trust from the
> internet ).  Now, trusting your client’s DSCP marks is a quick and dirty
> way and trusting anyone that is not you is generally not a good idea so you
> may want to have override rules or other miens of altering the DSCP but
> that is a bigger conversation.
>
> Ultimately, QoS is all about limiting speed so asking how to use QoS
> without limiting speed is kind of the wrong question.  QoS is like a
> traffic light, the end result is faster because traffic is limited when it
> is needed.  If you set the DSCP bits on network ingress and ensure all of
> the bottle necks are QoS enabled then you will have most of what you want
> in regards to ensuring that VoIP and other sensitive services are working
> well.  Beyond that you can limit the user’s overall speed based on the sold
> package and for extra credit limit their TCP traffic before the small
> packet UDP (VoIP, games, etc).
>
>
> Sincerely,
> Joshaven Potter
> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, UACA
> Google Hangouts: yourt...@gmail.com
> Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370
> supp...@joshaven.com
>
>
>
> On Nov 6, 2015, at 11:47 AM, Dennis Burgess 
> wrote:
>
> Nothing in SFQ etc can help, that system is based on how much bandwidth do
> you have; not how much you have at the current time.  If you are using a MT
> metal9 or something like that yes, you can use the data rate to change the
> queues, this would be the simplest, or better yet, use NV2 to do your
> prioroziation on the radios.  If you are using something else that has a
> dumb queue,. Then  you are limited by that.
>
> Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.
> den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103 – www.linktechs.net
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Christopher Gray
> *Sent:* Friday, November 6, 2015 10:45 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik fair queues over a variable speed link?
>
> I'm not sure it can work without some feedback from the radio itself.
> Without some mechanism to slow traffic down between the router and the
> radio, all traffic will pass through the queuing system of the router and
> then be passed at link speed to the radio. Then the radio will have to deal
> with the queue.
>
> I'm still going to play with the Mikrotik Stochastic Fairness Queuing,
> but I'm not convinced it will help much.
>
> Manipulating closed loop communication without control over all of the
> parameters is hard, but I still think there is a way. I like the idea about
> adjusting the peak speed based on ping time. Perhaps some adjustment could
> be made while checking the radio modulation. I like what Dennis
> suggested... a speed test. Perhaps one could pass low priority traffic (so
> it does not negatively affect existing traffic), measure the total
> throughput on the link on a periodic basis, and adjust the queue
> accordingly. On the other hand, it may be easier to just raise the antennas
> 30'.
>
> I'd still like to find a solution. If I do, I'll share.
>
> -Chris
>
> On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 11:05 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
> If there's a way that works, I'd be interested also.
>
> What I know you CAN do is put higher priority on shorter connections.  You
> mark packets based on bytes transferred in a connection and give higher
> priority to connections that haven't yet moved more than X bytes (maybe
> 5,000,000 or 20,000,000).
>
> Maybe you can't make everyone's streaming work that way, but you can make
> sure their web browsing and email works.
>
>
> On 11/5/2015 4:28 PM, Christopher Gray wrote:
>
> Is there a way to implement a fair queue system [like PCQ but] over a
> variable speed / flexible frame link without significantly limiting the
> overall link 

Re: [AFMUG] Subnetting and TCP/IP Intro

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Its not free, but its cheap, and the current revisions step into IP 6 Sams
teach yourself TCP/IP in 24 hours is a good book

On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 11:15 AM, Justin Wilson - MTIN 
wrote:

> There are some good CCNA videos on Youtube about subnetting.  Subnetting
> is like the old multiplication tables in school.  If you memorize what
> subnet mask corresponds to, say a /29, then you are ahead of the game.
> Getting down into the binary aspect of it is helpful in about .01% of all
> troubleshooting on a non-programmer level.  If we go back to our math
> analogy the only place most folks don’t use calculators is on tests.  Same
> with subletting.  There are subnet calculators out there for you to use.
> As long as you understand the fundamentals and know whats going on you
> don’t have to do all the work manually.
>
> The short answer is, even for the mikrotik tests, tell your employee to
> google “CCNA subletting” on youtube.  Lots of good videos in the first 10
> choices.  After that have them learn the 7 layer OSI model.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_OPR2yh2co
>
>
>
>
> Justin Wilson
> j...@mtin.net
>
> ---
> http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
> xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth
>
> http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman
> Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric
>
> On Nov 10, 2015, at 11:17 AM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
> Pretty sure this is the site that Butch himself recommended ages ago:
> http://www.tcpipguide.com/
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Matt 
> wrote:
>
>> Have an employee we plan on sending to Mikrotik MTCNA training in next
>> month or two.  Prerequisites state: "The student must have a good
>> understanding of TCP/IP and subnetting".
>>
>> Are there some good online youtube or other free sources for this that
>> anyone here recommends?
>>
>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Unsurprising news: Rural Mississippi broadband sucks

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Rory,
Can you do that now, open internet and all?


The guvment needs to fund ftth to all these people

gigabit to the farm

gigabit to every horse

On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 8:40 AM, Rory Conaway  wrote:

> We are looking at a similar issue and the best we can come up with is a
> cluster solution at those prices.  We are going to drop the cost down to
> $10 per month for homes that only use some school device like Chrome or
> iPad and then $20 for 5Mbps service with certain things blocked.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Glen Waldrop
> *Sent:* Monday, November 09, 2015 6:47 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Unsurprising news: Rural Mississippi broadband
> sucks
>
>
>
> Honestly, I live in rural Alabama.
>
> When the neighbors that I can't even see get too suffocating I ride
> through Mississippi and drive at 70mph down their four lane highways and go
> minutes if not several minutes between seeing houses.
>
> MS has some population centers, but at least the majority of the
> state I've been through are sparsely populated. Makes *any* Internet
> service hard to maintain and just break even.
>
>
>
> I can make a few dollars above expenses in rural Alabama and we're looking
> at expanding into rural MS, but even wireless is prohibitively expensive
> per sub in most places there. There are several stretches around
> Starkville, which he mentioned in the article, where there are 3+ miles
> between houses, seriously heavy trees. Fiber would be ridiculously
> expensive to run, aDSL can't cover the distances, wireless can't go through
> the trees.
>
>
>
> The article seems to be all about the problem and attempting to turn it
> into a race thing with no practical suggestions on how to fix it.
>
> I don't have an answer. Been looking at the situation and I've actually
> worked some numbers. Tower rental or putting one up with an AP where you
> can only pick up 3 subs? I've got some like that here, by the time the
> equipment is paid for lightning has killed it.
>
> I actually had one neighborhood start to sabotage my AP over "free"
> service for the Volunteer Fire Dept because it was too slow. They had a
> meeting I wasn't invited to discussing throwing me off the tower. I spoke
> to the chief, wrote a letter crunching the numbers on a per tower basis,
> finding that to date it has cost me $800+ to serve these people free
> Internet in a neighborhood that swore they'd all connect as soon as I
> brought it to them. Three subs, 40+ freeloaders. The VFD power bill
> averaged $15 a month before I offered free service for meetings, classes,
> etc. Everyone in the community has a key, so their light bill is $200+ now
> and my heaviest user in an entire county is a free service.
>
> That slowed down my expansion into the seriously rural areas, which were
> my intended locations for service in the first place.
>
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
>
> *From:* Eric Kuhnke 
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Sent:* Monday, November 09, 2015 4:12 AM
>
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Unsurprising news: Rural Mississippi broadband sucks
>
>
>
> http://www.wired.com/2015/11/the-land-that-the-internet-forgot/
>
> yeah you're not going to get a lot of subscribers in a county where 90% of
> the children qualify for free school lunches...   no matter what the
> population is, hard finding a sufficient number of people to pay $50/mo.
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Veterans Day -- THANKS!

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

A vet friend of mine reposted this, sorry its on facebook, but its a good
video
https://www.facebook.com/NickPalmisciano/videos/530785137076475/

On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 10:18 AM, David  wrote:

> Feels good to be at the tip of the spear again..
> thanks Dennis
>
>
> On 11/11/2015 08:15 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote:
>
> I would like to thank all of you for the job that you do or have done!�
> I have several family members that are Veterans as well as we have a number
> of employees that are veterans!� Thank you!
>
> �
>
> [image:
> http://scogginsrealty.com/images/Holliday/Veterans%20day/Veterans-Day1.jpg]
>
> �
>
> Thanks,
>
> �
>
> [image: DennisBurgessSignature]
>
> www.linktechs.net � 314-735-0270 x103 � dmburg...@linktechs.net
>
> �
>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Animal Farm? To be or not to be

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

I think you guys should go on a hunger strike or peacefully protest at
chucks house with bricks and fire.

On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 11:09 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> The decision has been to not have AF at the traditional time.  We are
> pivoting the whole company, changing things a bit, just too much to do to
> include AF this year.  Maybe next year or some other season.  Let’s wait
> until some disruptive technology gets born at Cambium or UBNT.
>
> *From:* Cameron Crum 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 11, 2015 9:31 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Animal Farm? To be or not to be
>
> S0... has there been a decision on this for this coming year?
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] drop invalid state when asymmetric

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Its in the script
Right now visibility and eliminating traffic nobody needs is the primary
reason for any forward rules.

On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Sometimes Ken I think you are reading my mind.
>
> On 11/9/2015 3:42 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> What is the rationale behind this rule in the first place?
>
> Maybe because I originally come from the routing-in-hardware world, I
> don’t even have connection tracking enabled on my network routers (with the
> exception of some dedicated routers trying to be a poor man’s Procera).  I
> guess if I had customers sharing public IPs I would have to.
>
> My view is that border/core/tower routers only care about routes, this
> packet is going to this destination IP so it goes out this interface to
> this next hop.  And some QoS marks.  Not sure I want the network routers
> worrying about stateful firewall rules and application specific fixups and
> tracking every source/destination/IP/port combination.
>
>
> *From:* Joshaven Mailing Lists <lis...@joshaven.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, November 09, 2015 2:26 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] drop invalid state when asymmetric
>
> You cannot have a connection that is indicated on one router continued on
> another router without being invalid.
>
> One magic trick is having the best routing information for network
> egress.  This way the device will pick the best path out and in to your
> network.
>
> Another magic trick would be to drop invalid connections on the input
> chain but not forward chain of your edge router and drop invalid on the
> forward chain on the router closest to your client.  A good connection
> would not be invalid on the customer touching router because it would
> always transverse this router.
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
> Joshaven Potter
> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, UACA
> Google Hangouts: yourt...@gmail.com
> Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370
> supp...@joshaven.com
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 9, 2015, at 3:11 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> If I have some asymmetric routes on the network, and there is a drop
> invalid state rule in the forward chain, is there any magician trick to get
> around disabling this rule? (its considered invalid because connection
> tracking is only seeing half the traffic)
>
> fixing the assymetry is the long term solution, just curious about today
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>
>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] drop invalid state when asymmetric

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

makes sense, thank you

On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 2:30 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

> No.
>
> IMO, you don't need to drop invalid connections on your ISP network.
> Asymmetric paths across the internet are almost a given.  It makes sense on
> a customer firewall where you might be blocking a spoofed connection.
>
>
> On 11/9/2015 3:11 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>
> If I have some asymmetric routes on the network, and there is a drop
> invalid state rule in the forward chain, is there any magician trick to get
> around disabling this rule? (its considered invalid because connection
> tracking is only seeing half the traffic)
>
> fixing the assymetry is the long term solution, just curious about today
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

[AFMUG] drop invalid state when asymmetric

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

If I have some asymmetric routes on the network, and there is a drop
invalid state rule in the forward chain, is there any magician trick to get
around disabling this rule? (its considered invalid because connection
tracking is only seeing half the traffic)

fixing the assymetry is the long term solution, just curious about today

-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] cant get into routerboard via ip

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

the default config doesnt allow access to ethther1

On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 4:28 PM, Glen Waldrop 
wrote:

> Do you have a decent firewall setup on it?
>
> The order is important, also if you’ve enabled/disabled recently it may
> have enabled a rule to block without the rule for the exceptions first.
>
>
>
> *From:* Tim Reichhart 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 11, 2015 3:34 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cant get into routerboard via ip
>
> Bill
> I checked the tool mac-server its showing interfaces is all. So it could
> be an firewall issue? Because I am using RB750 as customers router.
>
> Tim
>
> --
> -Original Message-
> From: "Bill Prince" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Date: 11/11/15 04:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cant get into routerboard via ip
>
> Make sure the winbox MAC server is running on the interface you're using:
>
> /tool mac-server mac-winbox
>
> Make sure that you're allowing discovery on the appropriate interface:
>
> /ip neighbor
>
> Make sure you're not locking out any IP ranges you need:
>
> /ip service
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 11/11/2015 12:59 PM, Tim Reichhart wrote:
>
>
> Bill
> how do allow that via command line on that routerboard?
>
> Tim
>
> -Original Message-
>
> From: "Bill Prince" mailto:part15...@gmail.com 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Date: 11/11/15 03:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cant get into routerboard via ip
>
> Check to see if you're allowing winbox on the interface you're using.
> Can you get in via the MAC address with winbox (specify the MAC address
> instead of the IP address)?
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 11/11/2015 12:50 PM, Tim Reichhart wrote:
>
> Guys
> I am having an issue right now with an routerboard connecting to it by winbox 
> ip but can get to it from other routerboard that is inside of the network via 
> mac address. Is there something I need to do to make this work?
>
> Tim
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

[AFMUG] Some OSPF advice/discussion dos and donts

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

First, I have to give props to mikrotik. These things are versatile as
hell, multiple mechanisms for access, fairly intuitive CLI syntax, Nice
simple clean GUI, tons of visibility, I wish we had gone this route 6 years
ago, we would be further along in our capabilities.

I finally got the biggest sections of the network fully routed yesterday,
there is only one redundant loop for 3 sites, so OSPF is primarily just
present for route propogation

We have two upstreams, currently each statically routing a /23 each of our
ARIN space with an EOIP tunnel between the two to handle a couple policy
routes, the EOIP tunnel is not currently doing OSPF just sending the /23
across when it needs to.
Both of the edge routers are distributing the default route so the customer
traffic will hit the closest BMU (we are upstream 1 - edge router - bmu -
network - bmu - edge router - upstream 2)

We have butch evans firewall on our interior routers with a couple tweaks

OSPF default instance is:
redistribute default - never (with the exception of the two edge routers)
connected - type 1
static - type 1
rip - no
bgp - no
orther ospf - type 1
metrics are all default

I add an all interface currently with simple authentication, in broadcast
where we are still building out and point to point when its an isolated hop

when i add the network and the dynamic interface instance comes up I go to
it and click copy to make it static

The rest of the configuration is default

Im still trying to understand filters, im semi retarded. I had thought it
was pretty slick to leave the 192.168.88.1 on ether1 so every router had an
accessible ip, but with redistribution of connected routes, i found out the
hard way this was a bad idea when i dumped a configuration into the wrong
router and took a production network down, my bad.

Im putting some EOIP tunnels in for some customer endpoint needs, but I
think MPLS is the actual right way to go, but EOIP is really easy to do.

End of the day we will implement BGP (after all the routers are deployed)
so our internal network will need to be in line for the best utilization of
that.

having BMUs does limit some things, like they only do OSPF, no BGP or iBGP,
there may be a way around that, I dont know, im short bus special, mom told
me the helmet made me handsome.

if i were a real network operator, what would i be doing differently?



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Entitlement Keys

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

fuck cambiums entitlement key nonsense, since day one with motorolay its
always been overly complicated and cumbersome. I hope the guy in charge of
the guys in charge of entitlements gets shingles and crabs while he has the
flue and his wife leaves him with some young buck with better hair

On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 10:26 AM, Sam Lambie  wrote:

> Yeah, but one has to check each key to see how many are left. It would be
> great if once you activate at least 1 key that the Entitlement sticks
> around so you can see how many are left.
>
> On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 9:23 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> If you get an entitlement for let’s say 10 activations, the Cambium site
>> will tell you how many you have used and how many are left.  I don’t know
>> of a way to store an unused entitlement on the site though.
>>
>> *From:* Sam Lambie 
>> *Sent:* Thursday, November 12, 2015 10:19 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Cambium Entitlement Keys
>>
>> Is there a way to store the keys that I get from my vendor on the Cambium
>> site after activating? Or are we just expected to remember which keys still
>> are good in our inbox?
>>
>> --
>> --
>> *Sam Lambie*
>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>> 575-758-7598 Office
>> www.Taosnet.com 
>>
>
>
>
> --
> --
> *Sam Lambie*
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 Office
> www.Taosnet.com 
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

[AFMUG] dmca email

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Isnt there something we can do at arin to have these emails go to the
customer if we register their ip block or something like that, for the most
part the only ones we get come from a motel, id rather not even see them,

-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] dmca email

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

swip, thats it

Im trying to understand this better, I dont know about the abuse contact
whether that is maintained as parent, but to provide poc info for a
subdelegation does the end user have to accept it and create an ARIN
account?

On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

> You can SWIP the block to them, I personally wouldn’t bother for less than
> a /27 but I guess you could do smaller, I don’t know if you can reassign a
> single IP, probably yes.
>
> Whether this will change who gets the DMCA emails depends on how they are
> deciding who to send them to, probably abuse contact?
>
> Google something like swip + reassign.
>
>
> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 12, 2015 11:16 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] dmca email
>
> Isnt there something we can do at arin to have these emails go to the
> customer if we register their ip block or something like that, for the most
> part the only ones we get come from a motel, id rather not even see them,
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Canopy PMP100 upgrade from 11.2 failing

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

try a different version of cnut

On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 11:08 AM, Wireless Administrator 
wrote:

> I have several radio’s that have not been in service for a while.  They’re
> running 11.2 software and when I try to upgrade them to 12.1 or 13.1.3 I
> get an error message:
>
>
>
> “Radio closed FTP connection FTP transfer files failed .”
>
>
>
> This happens on several different radios. These radios have default
> configuration and I’m communicating with them on the Ethernet interface.
>
>
>
> Has anyone experienced this problem?  Solution?
>
>
>
> Steve
>



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part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] dmca email

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

4th of July Booty - Kelsi Monroe (Teen Curves 2015-07-02) is apparently a
popular title BTW

On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 11:33 AM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
wrote:

> Don't think so, but not sure.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Nov 12, 2015 12:28 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> swip, thats it
>>
>> Im trying to understand this better, I dont know about the abuse contact
>> whether that is maintained as parent, but to provide poc info for a
>> subdelegation does the end user have to accept it and create an ARIN
>> account?
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>
>>> You can SWIP the block to them, I personally wouldn’t bother for less
>>> than a /27 but I guess you could do smaller, I don’t know if you can
>>> reassign a single IP, probably yes.
>>>
>>> Whether this will change who gets the DMCA emails depends on how they
>>> are deciding who to send them to, probably abuse contact?
>>>
>>> Google something like swip + reassign.
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, November 12, 2015 11:16 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] dmca email
>>>
>>> Isnt there something we can do at arin to have these emails go to the
>>> customer if we register their ip block or something like that, for the most
>>> part the only ones we get come from a motel, id rather not even see them,
>>>
>>> --
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] EOIP with IPSEC throughput cut in haf

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

i was running speedtest.net speedtests

MPLS/VPLS is next but those wont function externally correct?

On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 8:42 AM, Stefan Englhardt <s...@genias.net> wrote:

> With eoip 1500 byte packets have to be fragmented.
>
> You should consider MPLS/VPLS.
>
>
>
>
>
> *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Adam Moffett
> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 12. November 2015 15:33
> *An:* af@afmug.com
> *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] EOIP with IPSEC throughput cut in haf
>
>
>
> Watch the statistics on the interface list.is it moving 60mbps on the
> wire while the speedtest is running 30mbps?
>
> Also, are you hitting 100% CPU on either end of the tunnel?  The speed
> test is CPU heavy, and so is the tunnel.
>
> On 11/11/2015 11:44 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>
> So dicking around with EOIP. for the most part we dont really need to have
> security on these tunnels if theyre used for transit only
>
>
>
> Is this to be expected?
>
>
>
> Im set up with EOIP tunnel between port5 on two 951G-2HnD with a
> redundancy through an old RB750 and routing out through an old RB750
> running OSPF
>
>
>
> The gateway RB750 is connected to port5 on the "remote" 951G-2HnD so its
> basically a tunnel from my laptop to the gateway. the second RB750 isnt in
> play right now because the OSPF cost through it is higher
>
>
>
> Laptop---951G-2HnD-951G-2HnD---RB750-interwebs
>
>
>
> Testing to the local speedtest server without ipsec i see around 60mbps on
> my cable connection when i turn it on it goes to 30mbps
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] JAB + LTE = RISE

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

interesting, we saw what appeared to be an alvarion cpe the other day, not
a jab customer, but jab area, I wonder if theyre prepping to sell

On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 10:02 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I presume they are not using unlicensed frequencies for this.
>
> *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller 
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 12, 2015 9:00 AM
> *To:* memb...@wispa.org ; af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] JAB + LTE = RISE
>
>
> I wonder if they're going to be rolling with Telrad?
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Peter Radizeski 
> *To:* FISPA Members List 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 11, 2015 7:35 AM
> *Subject:* [FISPA Members] JAB + LTE = RISE
>
> Rise Broadband, the company formerly known as JAB Broadband that is
> playing the role of broadband wireless consolidator, said yesterday that
> it plans to deploy fixed broadband wireless equipment based on LTE,
> beginning initially in the Joplin, Missouri area.
>
>
> http://www.telecompetitor.com/rise-broadband-aims-for-50-mbps-broadband-with-lte-fixed-wireless/
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Peter Radizeski
> RAD-INFO INC
> Bandwidth * Colo * Circuits * Consulting
> 813.963.5884
> http://rad-info.net
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] EOIP with IPSEC throughput cut in haf

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Good to know this.

So for this tunnel, I add a loopback bridge to each router, i create the
tunnel between those IPs so the tunnel will come back up if a path fails
and moves. when testing it was about 10 seconds worth of down time, but for
the OSPF to propagate the route and the tunnel to negotiate back up (and
potentially DHCP to renew on my laptop, never checked) 10 seconds didnt
seem all that bad
Then I create another bridge and add the tunnel and the port (ether5) in
this test case

Is there a better way to do this when EOIP?

On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 10:29 AM, Stefan Englhardt <s...@genias.net> wrote:

> Yes. You cant do MPLS/VPLS over external IP network.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *That One Guy
> /sarcasm
> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 12. November 2015 17:25
> *An:* af@afmug.com
> *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] EOIP with IPSEC throughput cut in haf
>
>
>
> i was running speedtest.net speedtests
>
>
>
> MPLS/VPLS is next but those wont function externally correct?
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 8:42 AM, Stefan Englhardt <s...@genias.net> wrote:
>
> With eoip 1500 byte packets have to be fragmented.
>
> You should consider MPLS/VPLS.
>
>
>
>
>
> *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Adam Moffett
> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 12. November 2015 15:33
> *An:* af@afmug.com
> *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] EOIP with IPSEC throughput cut in haf
>
>
>
> Watch the statistics on the interface list.is it moving 60mbps on the
> wire while the speedtest is running 30mbps?
>
> Also, are you hitting 100% CPU on either end of the tunnel?  The speed
> test is CPU heavy, and so is the tunnel.
>
> On 11/11/2015 11:44 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>
> So dicking around with EOIP. for the most part we dont really need to have
> security on these tunnels if theyre used for transit only
>
>
>
> Is this to be expected?
>
>
>
> Im set up with EOIP tunnel between port5 on two 951G-2HnD with a
> redundancy through an old RB750 and routing out through an old RB750
> running OSPF
>
>
>
> The gateway RB750 is connected to port5 on the "remote" 951G-2HnD so its
> basically a tunnel from my laptop to the gateway. the second RB750 isnt in
> play right now because the OSPF cost through it is higher
>
>
>
> Laptop---951G-2HnD-951G-2HnD---RB750-interwebs
>
>
>
> Testing to the local speedtest server without ipsec i see around 60mbps on
> my cable connection when i turn it on it goes to 30mbps
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Some OSPF advice/discussion dos and donts

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

The thought was to have a universal IP that was the same on every router
The loopback is the ospf id

Thats one thing im still working on as well is the crafty filtering to get
the router to always respond as a particular ip in a traceroute so i can
use public space and only use 1 ip instead of 4 per link. its doable, just
havent figured it out yet, i can id the traffic by ttl, but havent figured
out the policy route to associate with it

On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 12:38 PM, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm not following your 'leave 192.168.1.88 on ether1' thing here.  You do
> have a loopback interface correct?  In MT, this translates to:
>
> /interface bridge add name=loopback
> /ip address add interface=loopback address=1.2.3.4/32
>
> In this scenario, 1.2.3.4/32 would be accessible no matter what
> uplink/route is being used.  This should be used for your 'router-id' for
> both OSPF and BGP.  Each router on your network should have a unique
> loopback IP.
>
> As you said, you should dump static routing to your providers and utilize
> BGP.  Especially seeing that you have your own prefix from ARIN and
> presumably you have an ASN.  I'm not really sure how the BMU fits in to
> your design, because I have never used one.
>
> On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 1:22 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> First, I have to give props to mikrotik. These things are versatile as
>> hell, multiple mechanisms for access, fairly intuitive CLI syntax, Nice
>> simple clean GUI, tons of visibility, I wish we had gone this route 6 years
>> ago, we would be further along in our capabilities.
>>
>> I finally got the biggest sections of the network fully routed yesterday,
>> there is only one redundant loop for 3 sites, so OSPF is primarily just
>> present for route propogation
>>
>> We have two upstreams, currently each statically routing a /23 each of
>> our ARIN space with an EOIP tunnel between the two to handle a couple
>> policy routes, the EOIP tunnel is not currently doing OSPF just sending the
>> /23 across when it needs to.
>> Both of the edge routers are distributing the default route so the
>> customer traffic will hit the closest BMU (we are upstream 1 - edge router
>> - bmu - network - bmu - edge router - upstream 2)
>>
>> We have butch evans firewall on our interior routers with a couple tweaks
>>
>> OSPF default instance is:
>> redistribute default - never (with the exception of the two edge routers)
>> connected - type 1
>> static - type 1
>> rip - no
>> bgp - no
>> orther ospf - type 1
>> metrics are all default
>>
>> I add an all interface currently with simple authentication, in broadcast
>> where we are still building out and point to point when its an isolated hop
>>
>> when i add the network and the dynamic interface instance comes up I go
>> to it and click copy to make it static
>>
>> The rest of the configuration is default
>>
>> Im still trying to understand filters, im semi retarded. I had thought it
>> was pretty slick to leave the 192.168.88.1 on ether1 so every router had an
>> accessible ip, but with redistribution of connected routes, i found out the
>> hard way this was a bad idea when i dumped a configuration into the wrong
>> router and took a production network down, my bad.
>>
>> Im putting some EOIP tunnels in for some customer endpoint needs, but I
>> think MPLS is the actual right way to go, but EOIP is really easy to do.
>>
>> End of the day we will implement BGP (after all the routers are deployed)
>> so our internal network will need to be in line for the best utilization of
>> that.
>>
>> having BMUs does limit some things, like they only do OSPF, no BGP or
>> iBGP, there may be a way around that, I dont know, im short bus special,
>> mom told me the helmet made me handsome.
>>
>> if i were a real network operator, what would i be doing differently?
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] NMS's - SNMP trap receiver

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

I just had to turn back up our SNMPc the other day, I just havent come
across anything as solid for all NMS functions. Recieving traps, graphing
them responding to them, the whole shooting match. This shit is granular.

Fucking expensive though, I dont know how we ended up with it, maybe it was
purchased back when APs were anything from 5-10k and CPEs were a grand, so
a 10k outlay on an NMS wasnt all that great.

I contacted the other day, its 3600 to reactivate our support and 2800 a
year. But the thing is easy to run

On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 10:05 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Thanks for the suggestions.
>
>
> On 10/30/2015 10:17 PM, Eric Muehleisen wrote:
>
> Kiwi syslog has tons of alarming options. Not free but it's a good option.
>
> On Friday, October 30, 2015, Adam Moffett < 
> dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I have a vendor provided NMS that receives craploads of SNMP traps and
>> I'm not super happy with it's capabilities for filtering and exporting that
>> data.  It also can't send alerts.which is lame because it sometimes
>> does receive critical stuff that I would want an alert for.
>>
>> What are you using to receive traps?
>>
>
>
> --
> Sent via mobile
>
>
>


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part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] NMS's - SNMP trap receiver

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

to start its a single system, you dont have to dick around with learning
how to set it up, mange linux, integrate the two systems, all that
nonsense. and little  learning curve

Download the demo, its worth looking at, we are at v7 and it does what we
want. I got nothing on a way to justify the 10k pricetag, well, 9800

On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 3:58 AM, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> jesus christ, $3600 and $2800?  What does that get you that a properly set
> up installation of cacti with threshold alerting, and a separate also
> properly setup opennms instance doesn't?
>
> opennms is a very powerful tool and has a bit of a learning curve behind
> it. it's also way more powerful than the average WISP needs. It runs the
> NMS and alerting systems for some major north american backbone ISPs that
> operate hundreds of >10Gbps longhaul links, dozens of serious core routers
> ranging in size from a 7606 up to a CRS-3, and watches circuits for
> enterprise customers that happily pay $20,000 a month.
>
> You have to set it up correctly and integrate it with paging (email to SMS
> gateways for your mobile phone provider), outgoing email and other alerting
> systems.
>
> On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 11:47 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I just had to turn back up our SNMPc the other day, I just havent come
>> across anything as solid for all NMS functions. Recieving traps, graphing
>> them responding to them, the whole shooting match. This shit is granular.
>>
>> Fucking expensive though, I dont know how we ended up with it, maybe it
>> was purchased back when APs were anything from 5-10k and CPEs were a grand,
>> so a 10k outlay on an NMS wasnt all that great.
>>
>> I contacted the other day, its 3600 to reactivate our support and 2800 a
>> year. But the thing is easy to run
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 10:05 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the suggestions.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/30/2015 10:17 PM, Eric Muehleisen wrote:
>>>
>>> Kiwi syslog has tons of alarming options. Not free but it's a good
>>> option.
>>>
>>> On Friday, October 30, 2015, Adam Moffett < <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
>>> dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have a vendor provided NMS that receives craploads of SNMP traps and
>>>> I'm not super happy with it's capabilities for filtering and exporting that
>>>> data.  It also can't send alerts.which is lame because it sometimes
>>>> does receive critical stuff that I would want an alert for.
>>>>
>>>> What are you using to receive traps?
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Sent via mobile
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Interesting article about a small town creatingtheir own network

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Oh ye of little faith, Stelle has its share of disputes, but thats what
hapens when you start defining whos wife belongs to whom. And dirigibles.
Last I knew they had their own Interweb access, but that was some time ago
as part of their telco coop.

Its an odd town to drive through, like a subdivision full of stepford wives.

But they do have a yearly sustainable living fair that I guess is pretty
popular.

On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 11:37 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> We won’t even relay off one neighbor to another anymore, due to experience
> with people moving or getting into fights with the neighbor, etc.  We’ll
> only do it between relatives and even then you can get issues.  I’m trying
> to imagine doing it on the scale of this network.  People there must either
> be very laid back and neighborly (it is almost Canada), or they really have
> no other choices for Internet.
>
> There’s a town Stelle in Illinois that started as a commune, they have a
> cooperative telephone company, probably Internet too.  But that’s a
> commune.  You don’t move to Stelle to have fights with your neighbors.
>
>
> *From:* Rory Conaway 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 03, 2015 11:21 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Interesting article about a small town
> creatingtheir own network
>
>
> This works great until the volunteers start leaving.  We had to take one
> network over where that happened.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Eric Kuhnke
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 3, 2015 9:59 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Interesting article about a small town creating
> their own network
>
>
>
> Their location is on the SE facing edge of Orcas, too close to Mt.
> Constitution and blocked by trees for ptmp links. Much better ptp link view
> from there to Anacortes and towers on hilltops in Skagit county. If you
> were to stand on top of their water tank I bet $5 you will not see the Mt.
> Constitution tower sites due to the shape of the terrain, despite 90+ meter
> towers on the summit.
>
> Looks like they are doing very short distance ptmp in their 5x5 km square
> area of orcas, as the photos of shielded ubnt sectors on trees illustrate.
>
> On Nov 2, 2015 10:05 AM, "Rick Harnish" 
> wrote:
>
> Interesting, I guess Stuart Baker and Richard Boucher’s Orcas Online
>  doesn’t reach the entire island inhabitants.
> They have been WISPA members for a number of years and attend WISPAPALOOZA
> regularly.  I talked to Stuart this year actually.
>
>
>
> Respectfully,
>
>
>
> *Rick Harnish*
>
> Broadband Consultant & Industry Analyst
>
> 260-307-4000 cell
>
> Skype: rick.harnish.​
>
> Twitter: @rharnish
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ryan Ray
> *Sent:* Monday, November 02, 2015 12:20 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Interesting article about a small town creating their
> own network
>
>
>
>
> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/11/how-a-group-of-neighbors-created-their-own-internet-service/
>



-- 
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part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Interesting article about a small town creatingtheir own network

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

One of the founders had a belief in a doomsday event that would take place
in his lifetime, supposedly he had built an airship of sorts that would
lift him and his people into the stratosphere when the event took place
with enough provisions to sustain until such a time they could return and
survive in the sustainable community.

On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 12:21 PM, James Howard <ja...@litewire.net> wrote:

> They have dirigibles?!
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
> /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 03, 2015 12:17 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Interesting article about a small town
> creatingtheir own network
>
>
>
> Oh ye of little faith, Stelle has its share of disputes, but thats what
> hapens when you start defining whos wife belongs to whom. And dirigibles.
>
> Last I knew they had their own Interweb access, but that was some time ago
> as part of their telco coop.
>
>
>
> Its an odd town to drive through, like a subdivision full of stepford
> wives.
>
>
>
> But they do have a yearly sustainable living fair that I guess is pretty
> popular.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 11:37 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>
> We won’t even relay off one neighbor to another anymore, due to experience
> with people moving or getting into fights with the neighbor, etc.  We’ll
> only do it between relatives and even then you can get issues.  I’m trying
> to imagine doing it on the scale of this network.  People there must either
> be very laid back and neighborly (it is almost Canada), or they really have
> no other choices for Internet.
>
>
>
> There’s a town Stelle in Illinois that started as a commune, they have a
> cooperative telephone company, probably Internet too.  But that’s a
> commune.  You don’t move to Stelle to have fights with your neighbors.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net>
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 03, 2015 11:21 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Interesting article about a small town
> creatingtheir own network
>
>
>
> This works great until the volunteers start leaving.  We had to take one
> network over where that happened.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Eric Kuhnke
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 3, 2015 9:59 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Interesting article about a small town creating
> their own network
>
>
>
> Their location is on the SE facing edge of Orcas, too close to Mt.
> Constitution and blocked by trees for ptmp links. Much better ptp link view
> from there to Anacortes and towers on hilltops in Skagit county. If you
> were to stand on top of their water tank I bet $5 you will not see the Mt.
> Constitution tower sites due to the shape of the terrain, despite 90+ meter
> towers on the summit.
>
> Looks like they are doing very short distance ptmp in their 5x5 km square
> area of orcas, as the photos of shielded ubnt sectors on trees illustrate.
>
> On Nov 2, 2015 10:05 AM, "Rick Harnish" <rharn...@fibertothefarm.com>
> wrote:
>
> Interesting, I guess Stuart Baker and Richard Boucher’s Orcas Online
> <http://orcasonline.com/> doesn’t reach the entire island inhabitants.
> They have been WISPA members for a number of years and attend WISPAPALOOZA
> regularly.  I talked to Stuart this year actually.
>
>
>
> Respectfully,
>
>
>
> *Rick Harnish*
>
> Broadband Consultant & Industry Analyst
>
> 260-307-4000 cell
>
> Skype: rick.harnish.​
>
> Twitter: @rharnish
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ryan Ray
> *Sent:* Monday, November 02, 2015 12:20 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Interesting article about a small town creating their
> own network
>
>
>
>
> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/11/how-a-group-of-neighbors-created-their-own-internet-service/
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
> --
>
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>
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>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Craigslist

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

The days of respectful clandestine drug dealing have long past thanks to
the internet. Fucking interwebs, ruined everything.

On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 10:13 PM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Molly and Lucy?  Who sells Ecstasy and LSD on Craigslist???  That's some
> crazy stuff right there.
>
> On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 7:43 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>
>> My advice to Chuck would be to separate the two things.  Look for a house
>> cleaner, and look for a boarder.
>>
>> At least around here, lots of moms clean houses part time to make some
>> extra money.  It’s a job you can do during the day while the kids are in
>> school, or on weekends as a second job.  I don’t think you’ll have a hard
>> time finding someone.  Then if you really want to take in a boarder, find a
>> boarder who pays rent.  If you were someplace like France, I’d say look for
>> a nice young Mormon on a mission.  But seriously, would the local church
>> possibly know someone looking to clean houses part time or someone looking
>> for room?
>>
>>
>> *From:* Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 04, 2015 7:57 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Craigslist
>>
>>
>> Check out the best of category. It can be hilarious.
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 4, 2015, 7:50 PM That One Guy /sarcasm <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Craigslist is a whole other world of debauchery and outright criminality
>>> mixed with puppy dogs for sale.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 7:42 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Got an account and am perusing the content.  I see a listing that says
>>>> “Molly and Lucy are in town. “  I have to assume this is a drug reference?
>>>>
>>>> Man there is some weird crap there.  Have never really looked into it
>>>> before.  Always assumed it was folks selling surplus lawnmowers.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>
>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT need advice

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

If you know where the womens shelters are, there are alot of women with a
kid looking for a fresh start. Comes with some baggage sometimes. But for
the grace of God go I.

On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 8:46 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Does that mean she shoveled your empty beer bottles and pizza boxes to the
> curb on garbage day?
>
> *From:* Rory Conaway 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 04, 2015 8:26 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT need advice
>
>
> Myself and my two other roommates did that while we were in college.  Gave
> a room to a girl who kept things up.  Worked out great for us.  I’d suggest
> don’t keep anything expensive in the house at first just in case.  We were
> so poor while in school, it didn’t matter.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 4, 2015 7:11 PM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT need advice
>
>
>
> Sounds like a good way to get killed in your sleep and/or robbed. aside
> from that, it sounds like a fine idea.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 7:18 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> Yeah, if I was physically close to the University I would do that.  But I
> am about 40 minutes away.
>
> There is a local extension university thing but mostly caters to adult
> learners.
>
>
>
> *From:* Colin Stanners 
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 04, 2015 6:15 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT need advice
>
>
>
> Craigslist isn't the right forum, put a poster at the local university.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 7:05 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> I am considering posting a craigslist ad offering free room and board to
> someone willing to trade for 2 hours of house cleaning each day.  Kinda
> scary.
>
>
>
> Would be a killer deal for a poor college kid.  Especially if they were in
> this country without all the proper papers.
>
> (But they might kill me in my sleep too.  )
>
>
>
> I have plenty of extra bedrooms with bathrooms now.
>
>
>
> Is this a crazy idea?
>
>
>
>
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] TTL

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

I see this going to 192.168.88.1 since I have ospf doing connected when I
have my secondary card configured to that subnet for setting up a router

On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 12:30 AM, Scott Vander Dussen 
wrote:

> I could have this wrong- but doesn’t the device relying to the ping send
> back it’s default TTL which varies from OS/mfg.  So if this device has a
> default TTL of 255 and there are no hops between the pinging device and the
> responding device (otherwise TTL would be less than 255) then why the huge
> jump down to 64 which is coincidentally another common default TTL value?
> If there was some route flapping / loop or whatever why exactly 191 extra
> hops?
>
>
>
> I thought maybe there was an IP conflict and I was getting replies from
> the different devices, but ARP tables are only showing one device on that
> IP.  Or of course I could be completely misunderstanding the whole TTL
> thing.
>
>
>
> `S
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 4, 2015 22:07
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] TTL
>
>
>
> flapping link/router somewhere down the line
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 10:02 PM, Scott Vander Dussen 
> wrote:
>
> Why would the TTL change during a ping sequence?
>
>
>
> Reply from 10.10.100.5: bytes=56 Sequence=1 ttl=64 time=5 ms
>
> Reply from 10.10.100.5: bytes=56 Sequence=2 ttl=255 time=11 ms
>
> Reply from 10.10.100.5: bytes=56 Sequence=3 ttl=64 time=3 ms
>
> Reply from 10.10.100.5: bytes=56 Sequence=4 ttl=64 time=2 ms
>
> Reply from 10.10.100.5: bytes=56 Sequence=5 ttl=64 time=2 ms
>
>
>
>
>



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part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Ot: movie review

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

My boss already knows my flu starts 12:01 November 10
Im waiting on hardware build to see if its just a new vegas disappointment

There is a good probability my personal hygiene will be limited

This is the only game ive ever preordered

I dont care if a tornado rips through our service area and an earthquake
collapses our sites, it can all wait.

The old lady is excited because it means i wont be bothering her for
relations

the kids are excited because i will be oblivious of whether they have
completed their chores, needless to say, 2015 wont be my parent of the
year, but thats Bethesdas fault, not mine

On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 4:51 PM, Rory Conaway  wrote:

> That’s because Daniel Craig became bigger than his abilities.  I hate when
> an actor goes from nobody to success and then pans the movies that put him
> there.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *CBB - Jay Fuller
> *Sent:* Friday, November 6, 2015 3:47 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: movie review
>
>
>
>
>
> sad to think this might be the last bond movie in  a while
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
>
> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Sent:* Friday, November 06, 2015 12:37 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: movie review
>
>
>
> Lot of good that does us...  hurry it up!
>
>
>
> *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller 
>
> *Sent:* Friday, November 6, 2015 11:35 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Ot: movie review
>
>
>
>
>
> At the new bond flick. Starts in 2 min.
>
> I'll report in l8r. :)
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>
>
>
>


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part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

[AFMUG] side project? ospf visualization

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

I would like some people to come together who have the time, talent,
interest in creating a small(ish) project

It could sit atop an existing NMS type system. The dude almost has the
capability already. Our old SNMPc platform Im pretty sure can do it with
some creative rules and relation trees

Basically just lay out a network map.
SNMP poll for an interface list
SNMP poll for the routing table
SNMP poll for the bridge table
SNMP poll for the IF IP list

Populate the port list on the device icon dynamically
Populate the port links between the devices, with an override of course

Input a target IP space with the default always being 0.0.0.0/0

Parse the routing table for the route and the interface associated with
that route

Change the link line from that interface to an arrow line, bonus points for
nifty animations

I like the sourceforge type open source project idea

If its not something people would be willing to do as a small group project
on the free shoot me an offlist quote if its something youre capable of,
though I doubt the bosses budget idea will meet the demand, but per the
conversation with him today, he wouldnt be opposed to entertaining an
affordable solution.

-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Craigslist

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

> > Molly is a drug.  It is not ecstasy.  I believe it's a "light"
>> > > version of it though?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Josh Luthman
>> > > Office: 937-552-2340
>> > > Direct: 937-552-2343
>> > > 1100 Wayne St
>> > > Suite 1337
>> > > Troy, OH 45373
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > OK, that makes sense.  I understand Lucy but why is Molly Ecstacy?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > *From:* Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com>
>> > >
>> > > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 04, 2015 9:13 PM
>> > >
>> > > *To:* af@afmug.com
>> > >
>> > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Craigslist
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Molly and Lucy?  Who sells Ecstasy and LSD on Craigslist???  That's
>> > > some crazy stuff right there.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 7:43 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com>
>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > My advice to Chuck would be to separate the two things.  Look for a
>> > > house cleaner, and look for a boarder.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > At least around here, lots of moms clean houses part time to make
>> > > some extra money.  It’s a job you can do during the day while the
>> > > kids are in school, or on weekends as a second job.  I don’t think
>> > > you’ll have a hard time finding someone.  Then if you really want to
>> > > take in a boarder, find a boarder who pays rent.  If you were
>> > > someplace like France, I’d say look for a nice young Mormon on a
>> > > mission.  But seriously, would the local church possibly know
>> > > someone looking to clean houses part time or someone looking for
>> room?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > *From:* Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
>> > >
>> > > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 04, 2015 7:57 PM
>> > >
>> > > *To:* af@afmug.com
>> > >
>> > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Craigslist
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Check out the best of category. It can be hilarious.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Wed, Nov 4, 2015, 7:50 PM That One Guy /sarcasm <
>> > > thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Craigslist is a whole other world of debauchery and outright
>> > > criminality mixed with puppy dogs for sale.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 7:42 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Got an account and am perusing the content.  I see a listing that
>> > > says “Molly and Lucy are in town. “  I have to assume this is a drug
>> > > reference?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Man there is some weird crap there.  Have never really looked into
>> > > it before.  Always assumed it was folks selling surplus lawnmowers.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > >
>> > > If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
>> > > team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
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>> > >
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>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Here we go - TPP Full Text Released

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

legally sufficient claim of copyright infringement

Legally sufficient in the US means a warrant or subpoena. so nothing really
changes here.

On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 11:51 AM, Steve  wrote:

> Nope.. just a few pervs and a lot of bit torrent users. We forward the
> messages and shame them if we can.  But it isn't solid proof of anything.
> I can't terminate their service.  We have our own ARIN space so they
> automate a process to contact any ABUSE@ email associated with ip space.
>
> The organizations generally target newly released movies/shows.  It wasn't
> too bad initially but now its every single thing out there.
>
> Since the TPP was pretty much a done deal that is when these new legal
> firms jumped in and started sending them by the buttload.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Ken Hohhof" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2015 12:17:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Here we go - TPP Full Text Released
>
> I would consult your lawyer, but I really don't see how an international
> treaty has any bearing on you unless/until US laws are changed as a result,
> which I doubt will happen or even needs to happen.
>
> Also, if you are getting hundreds of automated requests per week now,
> either
> you have a boatload of customers, or you need to ask what is different
> about
> your customer base.  I think that is a very unusual level of DMCA notices.
> Maybe you have a lot of hotspots or something?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Steve
> Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 11:05 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Here we go - TPP Full Text Released
>
> Yeah I'm going to let the lawyers sort that out.  That link was to New
> Zealand's copy.  Each country has a few changes to the agreement.  But for
> the most part it is harmonized to force ISP's to comply to any copyright
> claim.
>
> It means we in most cases won't be liable.  But we have to turn over
> records
> or inform customers.
>
> What does that mean?  It means that any tom dick and harry can start
> sending
> letters to us and we have to reply to them and forward to the customer the
> complaint.  I already received hundred of automated requests per week. Now
> I
> need to come up with an automated process to forward them.  I have to shame
> our customers and tell them to refrain from their actions.  So it is up to
> us now to be the police and to notify customers.
>
> Its just a boat load of new work we have to do just because someone is
> "claiming" something.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Ken Hohhof" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2015 11:55:22 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Here we go - TPP Full Text Released
>
> That's not how I read the text you cited.
>
> It seems to say each country will have a legal process for copyright
> holders
> to obtain this information.  Currently the US has the DMCA plus copyright
> holders can obtain a court order.  I don't see where that would have to
> change.  I am not a lawyer, but even if I am interpreting this wrong, where
> is the enforceability?  Congress would have to feel compelled to pass more
> restrictive laws to abide by this vague language in a treaty they don't
> like
> anyway.  Unless/until US laws are changed, I don't see how this applies to
> us.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Steve
> Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 9:42 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] Here we go - TPP Full Text Released
>
> We are now the internet police.
>
>
>
> http://www.mfat.govt.nz/Treaties-and-International-Law/01-Treaties-for-which-NZ-is-Depositary/0-Trans-Pacific-Partnership-Text.php
>
> Internet service providers must give your name if requested by copyright
> holders:
>
> "Each Party shall provide procedures... that enable a copyright owner that
> has made a legally sufficient claim of copyright infringement to obtain
> expeditiously from an Internet Service Provider information in the
> provider’s
> possession identifying the alleged infringer, in cases in which that
> information is sought for the purpose of protecting or enforcing that
> copyright."
>
> ISPs must move quickly to remove material with a copyright claim against
> it:
>
> "  these conditions shall include a requirement for Internet Service
> Providers to expeditiously remove or disable access to material residing on
> their networks or systems upon obtaining actual knowledge of the copyright
> infringement"
>
>
> "An Internet Service Provider that removes or disables access to material
> in
> good faith under subparagraph (a) shall be exempt from any liability for
> having done so, "
>



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Re: [AFMUG] side project? ospf visualization

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

ha, my talent stops at ideas

On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 10:33 PM, Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:

> Make it so, Steve !
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
> /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Friday, November 06, 2015 7:36 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] side project? ospf visualization
>
>
>
> I would like some people to come together who have the time, talent,
> interest in creating a small(ish) project
>
>
> It could sit atop an existing NMS type system. The dude almost has the
> capability already. Our old SNMPc platform Im pretty sure can do it with
> some creative rules and relation trees
>
>
>
> Basically just lay out a network map.
>
> SNMP poll for an interface list
>
> SNMP poll for the routing table
>
> SNMP poll for the bridge table
>
> SNMP poll for the IF IP list
>
>
>
> Populate the port list on the device icon dynamically
>
> Populate the port links between the devices, with an override of course
>
>
>
> Input a target IP space with the default always being 0.0.0.0/0
>
>
>
> Parse the routing table for the route and the interface associated with
> that route
>
>
>
> Change the link line from that interface to an arrow line, bonus points
> for nifty animations
>
>
>
> I like the sourceforge type open source project idea
>
>
>
> If its not something people would be willing to do as a small group
> project on the free shoot me an offlist quote if its something youre
> capable of, though I doubt the bosses budget idea will meet the demand, but
> per the conversation with him today, he wouldnt be opposed to entertaining
> an affordable solution.
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>



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Re: [AFMUG] Synchronizing bookmarks

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

you could probably do some creative registry hacks like we did with google
earth to share a default map. But that stuff breaks so easy

On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 3:17 PM, Scott Vander Dussen 
wrote:

> Anyone know of an extension that synchronizes select folders bookmarks
> with colleagues (not necessarily the browser’s entire set of bookmarks)?
> Or an extension that is able to keep its own set of synchronized bookmarks
> separate from the browser’s built-in bookmark set?
>
>
>
> Trying to find a way to basically have a “Work” folder of bookmarks shared
> with colleagues without messing up their personal bookmarks and have a
> single place to push updates to those bookmarks **without** using one of
> the many web-based solutions out there.
>
>
>
> `S
>



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part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon censoring emails.

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

I was a fan of Jade Helm when it was underground

On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

> Don't tell the tinfoil hat crowd about all the bayesian filters and
> automatic keyword / formatting matching that prety much *every serious
> ISP* puts their port25/smtp email through, via spamassassin or others...
>
> Maybe I have it on my mind because I've just finished setting up a shiny
> new postfix + spamassassin + dovecot server , but there's a myriad of
> things you can feed incoming SMTP through to filter it before it lands in a
> mailbox's Maildir.
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 10:36 AM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:
>
>> Infowars...lol...I kept having to debunk the site to friends on FB so
>> much that I stopped reading any link with it's name in it.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chuck
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 12:09 PM, Ty Featherling 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Great game. These new ones are a lot of fun too but they aren't quite
>>> the same as the original.
>>>
>>> -Ty
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Ty
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 10:51 AM, Seth Mattinen 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 On 11/4/15 08:43, Eric Kuhnke wrote:

> oh they very much existed and had been fleshed out in excruciating
> imaginary detail before deus ex was published in 2000. FEMA
> conspiracies
> were a stable of Art Bell's late night AM radio show from like 1995 to
> 2000.
>


 Deus Ex was the first time I'd been exposed to it.

 Speaking of that, there's a new mod that remasters the original that I
 need to go play.

 ~Seth

>>>
>>>
>>
>


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Re: [AFMUG] Has FCC "gone off the rails" with latest Wi-Fi blockingfines? | ITworld

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Technically, its not interfering with transmission, it is utilizing a
properly functional transmission to manipulate ones surroundings. Im not
defending it, when I was doing it with my fortigate to my neighbors, it was
a dick move. But at no point did it impact ones ability to receive
transmissions, it simply changes the transmitter. The reason that concerns
me is with the demand for free and open internet and our litigious society,
it creates a pathway for lawsuits down the line against lawfully operating
boundary control operators

to me, this would be more along the lines of "hacking" since technically it
is gaining unauthorized access to a system and altering it with malicious
intent. What government agency actually handles that?

On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 9:49 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Doing anything to interfere is jamming.  Seems simple to me.
>
> *From:* Daniel White 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 04, 2015 6:15 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Has FCC "gone off the rails" with latest Wi-Fi
> blockingfines? | ITworld
>
>
> And I don’t think Commissioner Pai or O’Rielly disagree with you.  They
> want clear FCC regulations on the matter.
>
>
>
> I agree with them.  Jamming by definition is the increase of RF energy to
> overcome the lawful transmission of someone else… and even then… in Part
> 15… you have no recourse.  I don’t think the FCC is exceeding its
> authority, but I do think the FCC needs to define the authority.
>
>
>
> Section 47 U.S.C. § 333 of the Telecommunications Act of 1933 is where the
> FCC gets its authority on the matter (according to the FCC website)… here
> is the text:
>
>
>
> *No person shall willfully or maliciously interfere with or cause
> interference to any radio communications of any station licensed or
> authorized by or under this chapter or operated by the United States
> Government.*
>
>
>
> Interference in regards to radio communications has always been defined as
> RF energy.  The code was written long before something like de-auth was
> possible.
>
>
>
> The FCC should make a clear definition of what jamming is… what is there
> to argue with there?
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
> Daniel White
>
> afmu...@gmail.com
>
> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
>
> Skype: danieldwhite
> Social: LinkedIn : Twitter
> 
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ty Featherling
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 3, 2015 8:35 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Has FCC "gone off the rails" with latest Wi-Fi
> blocking fines? | ITworld
>
>
>
> +1 that's what they are supposed to do.
>
> -Ty
>
> On Nov 3, 2015 8:32 PM, "Carl Peterson" 
> wrote:
>
> IMHO, the FCC is doing exactly what they should be doing in these cases.
> The convention center APs would send spoofed deauth to anything they heard,
> including devices well outside the convention center.  Deliberate malicious
> interference with another's use of shared spectrum.
>
>
> On Nov 3, 2015, at 8:13 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>
> http://www.itworld.com/article/3000979/mobile/has-fcc-gone-off-the-rails-with-latest-wi-fi-blocking-fines.html?google_editors_picks=true
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
>
>
> --
> [image: Avast logo] 
>
> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
> www.avast.com 
>
>


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Best laptop for battery and price

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Toshiba Tecra is what I use, 4-8 hour battery depending on what im doing, I
havent looked at one in 4 or 5 years, cause this ones a horse, hopefully
they have gone the thin route. they always standard has serial port too.
not cheap, but not bank breaker for something that stands to 4 or five
years of dirty abuse


On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 8:54 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> My problem is the keys are in the wrong spots (not the alphanumeric ones,
> obviously).
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
> 
> 
> 
> --
> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Saturday, October 31, 2015 8:49:23 AM
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Best laptop for battery and price
>
> The Thinkpad contoured keys are nice, the trackpads are hit or miss
> depending on model.  I like the keyboard and trackpad on my 5 year old Sony
> VAIO Z-series, but of course Sony got out of the PC business.
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman 
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 31, 2015 8:37 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Best laptop for battery and price
>
>
> You mean the best keyboard of all laptops?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Oct 31, 2015 8:45 AM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>
>> I can't stand the Thinkpad's keyboard.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Jason McKemie" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Friday, October 30, 2015 5:36:15 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Best laptop for battery and price
>>
>> Ever since I started using Thinkpads I haven't gone back.  They're not as
>> durable as a Toughbook, but they're the best quality/durability for the
>> price that I've found.
>>
>> -Jason
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 4:40 PM, Rory Conaway 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> For budget reasons, we use used Lenovo 420's off eBay.  Cheap, easy to
>>> repair, and all the accessories are cheap.  They are also rather tough
>>> although not like a Toughbook.
>>>
>>> Rory
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
>>> Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 2:30 PM
>>> To: Animal Farm
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Best laptop for battery and price
>>>
>>> Looks like it's time for a new field piece.  I'm looking for a smallish
>>> netbook/laptop with an ethernet port but more importantly I need a good
>>> battery.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>


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Re: [AFMUG] ISP Billing and Ticketing System

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

every 2 weeks

On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 6:49 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Didn't we just have this thread?
>
> Powercode
> Wispmon
> Visp
> Billmax
>
> Man I'm drawing a blank sorry guys
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Nov 5, 2015 7:24 PM, "Matt"  wrote:
>
>> What is everyone using for billing and ticketing?  We are using in
>> house built database/ticketing and standard accounting package for
>> billing.  Works ok but would like something that saves time by
>> bringing everything together.  What are typical per user costs for a
>> system?
>>
>


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[AFMUG] current(est) 3ghz rulings

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Where do we stand on the new 100mhz and the existing 50?

Im working with a third party IT firm that handles IT for the owners of
three towers we colocate. They have a 3.65 license and are looking at this
for a backhaul solution. One of the three towers is in a big player are who
is rolling out 3ghz 450.

Its a slick idea for customer locking to have their interconnection tied to
a license you own, break contract and your data link goes down because you
cant operate it.

This is a very friendly communication, the guy has actually tried to hire
me and we are colocated at other sites that they handle the IT for. My
biggest concern is that the IT folks will deploy something now that could
have a cease order in the near future.

Is my understanding correct in that the current 50 will not be a part of
the three tiers? Thats doable to some degree (fucks us for PMP, but
landlords are landlords, we could pulll a lease fight, which we would win,
but it would be followed with the implementation of the 2 year eviction
notice, not really a win)



Out of curiosity, from the perspective of the FCC, how does this work out
when a license holder is using 3ghz to do ptp for a private network?

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Re: [AFMUG] gbit syncinjector with epmp

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

it shows 5, I dont know if that resets on a power cycle. I have an uptime
of 6 days. I switched one to using internal GPS sync and it hasnt lost sync
since, the other is still doing it a few times per hour.

I dont think its actually hurting anything since the sync hold-off is at
the default 30 seconds and it comes back up

Probably some cambium hate code for not using a cambium syncsource

On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 11:33 AM, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com> wrote:

> Steve, what does your Binary I/O tab look like? Specifically the 1PPS
> Active event counter? Across multiple sites now, I see all of the 450 APs
> lose sync from the SyncInjector at the same time. I go look at the stats
> and there's no indication of a loss of sync. The 1PPS counter is still at 1
> (or 0 if I clear it). I believe what's happening in my case is the on-board
> GPS starts freaking out and/or some AutoSync bug.
>
> On 11/2/2015 10:33 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>
> We moved the syncpipe over to full sky 11 sats visisble and still seeing
> sync loss on both APs attached to it, switched to the epmp GPS in the mean
> time.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 7:38 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> It's funny, we were just discussing this at Telrad's LTE training.
>> Since the sats are moving around they said losing GPS once in awhile
>> might indicate a partial LOS issue, especially if it's at the same time
>> every day.
>>
>>
>> On 10/27/2015 7:55 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>
>> That's the instantaneous readout.
>>
>> You should monitor it on an ongoing basis. Below is a site where we see
>> periodic 1 PPS pulse drops. Notice the dip in the tracked sats shortly
>> after 15:00. If it had gone down to 3, it would have (very briefly) stopped
>> the 1 PPS. When it does that, we sometimes get session restarts on all the
>> subs.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>
>>
>> On 10/27/2015 3:51 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>>
>> 1 Sats Visible #1 1 1 #18(76,019)(37) #21(58,179)(39) #24(49,097)(45)
>> #22(46,300)(24) 2 Sats Visible #2 1 2 #51(39,207)(28) #14(38,235)(15)
>> #15(28,055)(24) #20(22,099)(41) 3 Sats Visible #3 1 3 #27(22,299)(28)
>> #13(10,046)(37) #08(05,328)(21) #29(01,185)(33) 4 Sats Visible #4 1 4 5 Sats
>> Visible #5 1 5 6 Sats Used 1 6
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Bill Prince < <part15...@gmail.com>
>> part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Take a look at how many sats you're getting on the sync pipe. If there
>>> is a partial sky (or "something"), and you drop below 4 sats, it will drop
>>> the sync pulse.
>>>
>>> bp
>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/27/2015 2:21 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>>>
>>> we put a couple of these up yesterday since then they keep dropping sync
>>> for a few seconds a few times an hour, they new APs 2.5.1 fw, configured to
>>> sync from cmm4, am i doing something wrong here?
>>>
>>> --
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>
>


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[AFMUG] the new airlink

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

https://airlink.ubnt.com/#/

wow, this one is very elegant compared to the last one. Its simple and
quich and i didnt have to install some broken browser addon

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Re: [AFMUG] 10Gbps FTTH

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

I think it would be great if NASA and the genome projects, and
pharmaceutical companies, and pretty much any big data would really push
the distributed computing research model into the public space, target
these high capacity connections. Fill these pipes up with everything you
can imagine.
make the audio/video component of candy crush and Farmville available as a
4k stream, even though it doesn't matter.
The big problem is aside from big corporations, most businesses would have
a hard time saturating even a 1gb connection without actually trying.
Of course, as these massive pipes become more prevalent the software devs
will get lazy and no longer care about efficiency, google tried to push the
killer app thing, but luckily it didn't pan out either

On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 11:40 AM, can...@believewireless.net <
p...@believewireless.net> wrote:

> My question is, who is running around complaining that their 1 Gbps
> Internet sucks? "Oh my god! My Internet is SO SLOW! Someone needs to give
> me 10Gbps!"
>
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 12:28 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I would like to see these hippie google bastards tooling around in east
>> st louis, Alphabet would have to generate a body armor company
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 10:42 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> East St. Louis...
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof
>>> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 9:33 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 10Gbps FTTH
>>>
>>> This is the New Economy, we don't need no stinkin' profits.
>>>
>>> http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/columnist/shinal/2015/10/15/square-ipo-filing-shows-fast-growth-consistent-losses/73985492/
>>>
>>> And in the case of Google Fiber, how would we know if it was profitable?
>>> Unless Alphabet intends to split off companies to stand on their own.
>>>
>>> I do find it interesting that everyone focuses on the last mile
>>> bandwidth,
>>> as if that's the whole story.  At least with business service, you don't
>>> have the ridiculous scenario of someone running their 10 Gbps residential
>>> Internet into an AC3200 router and doing speedtests on their iPad.  But
>>> if
>>> they sell 10 Gbps business service at lower than datacenter bandwidth
>>> pricing, what happens if businesses start actually using it like DIA or
>>> datacenter bandwidth?  Like someone decides to sell cloud gaming or
>>> streaming video or some business model that involves hundreds of screens
>>> streaming 4K video?  Maybe some real time medical imaging application.
>>>
>>> And all this gigabit activity in cities doesn't really prove much about
>>> less
>>> populated or economically distressed areas.  If Google's intent is to
>>> prove
>>> something, rather than cherry-pick, I'd still like to see them wire
>>> Detroit
>>> or Newark.  Not the wealthy suburbs or select "fiberhoods".  Do the whole
>>> city and show how it sparks an urban revival.  Or go do a small rural
>>> town
>>> or a tribal reservation.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 10:20 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 10Gbps FTTH
>>>
>>> And, they are operating the system at a profit, right...?
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Travis Johnson
>>> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 8:52 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] 10Gbps FTTH
>>>
>>> Does Google know they are getting out played by a small city? :)
>>>
>>>
>>> http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/10/10gbps-internet-offered-by-city-fighting-anti-muni-broadband-laws/
>>>
>>> Travis
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>
>


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Re: [AFMUG] Rocket AC Prism

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Does it work in the field via large deployment beta? Or is it like GPS sync?
On Oct 19, 2015 12:58 AM, "Ben Moore"  wrote:

> Will check, but pretty sure all testing has been completed and waiting on
> approval.
>
> Thanks,
> Ben
>
> On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 11:56 PM, Cassidy B. Larson 
> wrote:
>
>> What’s the word on DFS for these?
>>
>> -c
>>
>>
>> On Oct 18, 2015, at 11:47 PM, Ben Moore  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Jason -
>>
>> These have not started shipping yet (not on boat).  Expected to start
>> shipping within next few weeks.  We will get first shipments sent in via
>> air.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Ben
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 10:54 PM, Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Has there been any official talk on availability of these? Or just "on
>>> the boat"?
>>>
>>> -Jason
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>

[AFMUG] Eoip and mpls

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

More interested in eoip comments, but when are these two bad ideas, eoip
with the ipsec in particular.
I have two scenarios where eoip will be necessary to maintain upstream
static routing between providers, one tunnel over the interwebs and one
tunnel over our network since our providers are geographically isolated.
I'm having a hard time figuring out if eoip is up and coming or dying,
everything I read says its new but the documents are old, mikrotik
documents indicate it's proprietary but Cisco docs mention it.

Re: [AFMUG] Interesting antenna from UBNT

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

With the channel size required, or the number of small sectors required to
meet bandwidth demands in pmp in the day of ac not having a functional
multisite timing solution, whether GPS or goat heartbeat based, it's better
to start selling shoes instead of radio's. Just syncing a single site has
limited value, all the sites have to play together. Ubnt is like the drunk
uncle who promises the world. I like announcements, ubnt has some really
good looking marketing, swift peppy videos, and logos and sweet fonts, but
it would be nice of uncle drunkey would sober up for a couple days and
deliver some product. I'm singling them out because they tend to have the
most announced but not out products at any given time.
On Oct 18, 2015 1:53 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

> I was studying all that stuff last night.  I am rebuilding a tower middle
> of next week.  I already had the AC-Lites ready to go, just wanted to make
> sure there wasn’t another option.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 18, 2015 11:52 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Interesting antenna from UBNT
>
>
>
> They were talking about the new Prism radio, which doesn't have those
> deficiencies (at least once certified).
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Rory Conaway" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Sunday, October 18, 2015 1:48:16 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Interesting antenna from UBNT
>
> Yea, I wanted to be there.  Got offered several free dinners J and I
> never turn down food..  But got to play 5 baseball games and 3 of them in
> the Angels spring training stadium.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 18, 2015 11:44 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Interesting antenna from UBNT
>
>
>
> I know you weren't there, which is why I said that.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Rory Conaway" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Sunday, October 18, 2015 1:41:18 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Interesting antenna from UBNT
>
> Wasn’t there.  On a 7 day work week right now.
>
>
>
> rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 18, 2015 11:40 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Interesting antenna from UBNT
>
>
>
> Except you missed the announcement in Vegas?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Rory Conaway" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Sunday, October 18, 2015 1:38:18 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Interesting antenna from UBNT
>
> Except that it doesn’t support UNI-I or even some DFS frequencies.  Or is
> that a limitation of the firmware and not the hardware?
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Peter Kranz
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 18, 2015 11:31 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Interesting antenna from UBNT
>
>
>
> >> what is the difference with the current RocketAC that already has the
> Prism system in it?
>
>
>
> The RocketAC-Prism has three important new things going on from what I can
> tell:
>
> -  TX filtering.. lower OOBE emissions mean higher power on
> channels closer to the band edge
>
> -  Expanded RX filtering range.. Old prism was 5480-5850, new
> prsim is 5150-5850
>
> -  GPS Sync is back.. unknown benefits, time will tell.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Eoip and mpls

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

in the mikrotik implementation with ipsec, how much less "secure" than
something like an ipsec VPN tunnel? For the most part, since its all routed
traffic anyway, security isnt all that great a concern, other than maybe
some snmp strings I cant think of much that would matter

We do have an instance, Im assuming MPLS will be what would be best, the
customer has a 10mb ptp fiber connection from another provider terminated
in our NOC as a backup to their DIA with us over our wireless
infrastructure, but I dont know, its all new to me

On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 8:54 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

> EoIP is non-standard, and while multiple platforms have it, they are
> probably not compatible.
>
> The main reason to do EoIP is if you need the entire layer2 header. I use
> it now and then to default a device, then bridge it's port with an EOIP
> tunnel back to my office so that I can access it from my laptop on it's
> default IP.
>
> You can also carry a full size 1500 byte packet on the EoIP tunnelit
> will be fragmented on the outer layer so there's an efficiency penalty in
> doing so, so if everything works with a shorter MTU then use a shorter
> MTU.  I switched a VPN to an EOIP tunnel for a library whose SonicWall
> broke PMTUD and thus there was packet loss on the tunneled traffic until I
> switched them to EoIP.
>
> The other reason to do EoIP is that it's stupid simple.
>
> Downsides: EoIP is insecure.  Supposedly it's more cpu intensive than
> other types of tunnels, but in practice I haven't noticed.
>
>
>
> On 10/19/2015 2:28 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>
>>
>> More interested in eoip comments, but when are these two bad ideas, eoip
>> with the ipsec in particular.
>> I have two scenarios where eoip will be necessary to maintain upstream
>> static routing between providers, one tunnel over the interwebs and one
>> tunnel over our network since our providers are geographically isolated.
>> I'm having a hard time figuring out if eoip is up and coming or dying,
>> everything I read says its new but the documents are old, mikrotik
>> documents indicate it's proprietary but Cisco docs mention it.
>>
>>
>


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part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450i 900 MHz SM

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

maybe cambium could grow their market and produce a smart meter system to
preserve their existing market, actually turn their shrinking existing
market around

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 11:49 AM, George Skorup  wrote:

> We're all H pol on our 900. Wasn't the old integrated SM was H pol as
> well? Nearly all of the SCADA stuff out there is V pol.
>
> Slant gets you 3dB from H or V polarized systems. That's not a whole lot
> of rejection. Like I said before, slant should get you better equalization
> on the two paths so that it's not constantly running MIMO-A. But if it's so
> noisy that you get maybe 10dB SNR, OK, so that'll be 1X MIMO-B, basically
> not any better than FSK.
>
>
> On 10/14/2015 11:24 AM, Daniel White wrote:
>
> I’m sure Matt will post in detail their reasoning for dual-slant next
> week, but to sum up it was to get rejection from V-Pol and H-Pol signals
> since the band is probably 100% linear polarized.
>
>
>
> I was shocked to hear Matt tell me though that many FSK customers are
> using Vertical Polarity.  I thought everyone did Horizontal, but maybe that
> was just the way my WISP did it.
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
> Daniel White
>
> afmu...@gmail.com
>
> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
>
> Skype: danieldwhite
> Social: LinkedIn : Twitter
> 
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *George Skorup
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 13, 2015 3:49 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450i 900 MHz SM
>
>
>
> I would rather have the style we're used to: MCX to N-male pigtails coming
> out of the bottom of the case. However, if you saw their dual-slant yagi
> which has two RP-SMA connectors on it and a provision for mounting the SM
> to the back of it, I can see why they're coming out of the top. The folded
> dipoles do not have a radome. They will ice up and be worthless. Again, I
> would much rather have an integrated panel.
>
> Their choice to do dual-slant.. we'll see how that goes. Makes all
> existing antennas obsolete. I'm a little disappointed since it'll be 10x as
> hard to convert a 4x90 FSK site.
>
> The -6dB 65 degree sectors drive me nuts. There's 26MHz to play with and
> you can count on the top being trashed, then cordless phones and baby
> monitors all throughout. There's no way in hell we could ever use six
> sectors at a site. 90 degree sectors allows you to move around in the band
> a little bit. So I hope they come up with some 90's.
>
> On 10/13/2015 5:24 PM, Brian Sullivan wrote:
>
> Is the design of the module final?
> I'd rather see integrated cables or those pesky RF connectors underneath a
> cover to avoid water.
> Will Cambium be including RF cables with each SM?
>
> Also, the specs say 100M throughput in a 20MHz channel.  What is the
> throughput running in 1x or 2x?
>
>
> 450 + ePMP love child.
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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>
>


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Re: [AFMUG] Anyone not at Wispapalooza?

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Im in my box

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 11:48 AM, Josh Baird  wrote:

> I couldn't make it this year either.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Oct 14, 2015, at 11:29 AM, Gino Villarini 
> wrote:
> >
> > just me?
>



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