[Bug 2026194] Re: When clicking on some maximized or tiled windows, focus on roughly the lower quarter falls to the window behind

[Robin Williams]

Whenever I reboot my system, this issue occurs with some of my startup
applications, where I click on one application and it affects another
that is "behind" it.

I have found that if I quit an offending application from the taskbar
and start it up again from the taskbar, it seems to start behaving.

So wanted to share this temporary workaround in case it's helpful to
anyone.

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[Bug 2026194] Re: When clicking on some maximized or tiled windows, focus on roughly the lower quarter falls to the window behind

[Robin Williams]

Whenever I reboot my system, this issue occurs with some of my startup
applications, where I click on one application and it affects another
that is "behind" it.

I have found that if I quit an offending application from the taskbar
and start it up again from the taskbar, it seems to start behaving.

So wanted to share this temporary workaround in case it's helpful to
anyone.

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Re: [Bug 2026194] Re: When clicking on some maximized or tiled windows, focus on roughly the lower quarter falls to the window behind

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Re: [Bug 2026194] Re: When clicking on some maximized or tiled windows, focus on roughly the lower quarter falls to the window behind

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[Desktop-packages] [Bug 2064559] Re: Screen clicks not working when app page maximised

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*** This bug is a duplicate of bug 1181666 ***
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1181666

** This bug has been marked a duplicate of bug 1181666
   gnome-shell randomly blocks mouse clicks from working in app windows

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Bug description:
  Recently completed a fresh installation of Ubuntu 24.4

  When apps are maximised to use full screen, clicks on buttons do not
  work and instead go through to whatever is behind the app.  Restoring
  the app to a window rather than full screen clicks work normally.

  This happens for a number of apps but not all.

  I am using 2 monitors (join) and using monitor 2 as my primary
  display.

  Happy to provide more info, but not sure what will be helpful.

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[Bug 2064559] Re: Screen clicks not working when app page maximised

[Robin Williams]

*** This bug is a duplicate of bug 1181666 ***
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1181666

** This bug has been marked a duplicate of bug 1181666
   gnome-shell randomly blocks mouse clicks from working in app windows

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[Bug 2064559] Re: Screen clicks not working when app page maximised

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*** This bug is a duplicate of bug 1181666 ***
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1181666

** This bug has been marked a duplicate of bug 1181666
   gnome-shell randomly blocks mouse clicks from working in app windows

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Re: [uknof] Typical last mile battery runtime (protecting against power cuts)

[Robin Williams via uknof]

--- Begin Message ---
There were a few research papers done after the 2015 Lancaster “Storm Desmond” 
floods and the upshot for comms wasn’t great – an hour or so runtime on mobile 
and broadband cabinets seems fair based on that experience.  Direct exchange 
lines as mentioned, are (were) generator backed.

It was strange to see people queueing to use pay-phones for the first time in 
years, as the only form of communication and students more worried about trying 
to get some Internet access to find out what’s going on, rather than the 
immediate availability of food/water.

https://www.lancaster.ac.uk/engineering/about/news-archive/2016/learning-from-lancasters-power-cuts/
---  
https://www.lancaster.ac.uk/media/lancaster-university/content-assets/documents/engineering/RAEngLivingwithoutelectricity.pdf

^ see the “what we can learn” as well as the ‘comms’ section.

One thing that experience did impress on me, is that generators inevitably 
quickly become a hotly-contested commodity in a wide-scale outage – if you rely 
on using someone else’s, you may not be as far up the priority tree as you 
thought when the day comes.

Cheers,
Robin




From: uknof  On Behalf Of Darren Wright
Sent: 04 February 2023 21:15
To: Rob Pickering 
Cc: uknof@lists.uknof.org.uk; Stephen Wilcox ; Israel 
G. Lugo ; Leo Vegoda ; Brandon 
Butterworth 
Subject: Re: [uknof] Typical last mile battery runtime (protecting against 
power cuts)

Hi all.

My understanding is FTTC cabinets “should” last 4-6 hours as the front doors 
have batteries in, however speaking to a lot of Openreach engineers over the 
years the batteries are mostly poorly maintained, I have seen them only last 
mins before during a power cut.

We have 3x master exchanges in Northumberland and all have generator backups, 
one of which kicks in regularly. We have ups’s in exchanges but they are only 
needed for upto 1 min before the generators kick in.

Hope this helps.

Kind Regards,

Darren Wright
Co-Founder & Director
Zone Broadband


On 4 Feb 2023, at 9:01 pm, Rob Pickering 
mailto:r...@pickering.org>> wrote:

One of my home circuits (rural area) comes out of an OpenReach FTTC AIO cabinet 
very close by and next to the same DNO transformer that feeds us.
Our DNO infrastructure is truly appalling and we have regular 4-12 hour utility 
power outages when one of the many antique transformers on our 11KV ring makes 
like a firework, and occasional multi-day outages when cables they have thrown 
in a culvert break down or trees fall on multiple overhead sections during 
storms.
The AIO cabinet definitely has either UPS backup power, or is DC powered from 
the main exchange. I suspect it is the former as we lose the DSL lines only 
after 8+ hours, but we do lose them.
We also lose mobile coverage after about 18 hours and it becomes more patchy in 
the general area so some of the mobile base stations are battery only.

On Sat, 4 Feb 2023 at 18:41, Stephen Wilcox 
mailto:steve.wil...@ixreach.com>> wrote:
I can give an anecdotal reply, since I've never ran those types of facilities 
myself..

My understanding is that in general the main exchanges (the ones in cities, 
formerly tandem exchanges and /possibly/ the equivalent by cable) would have 
generator backup as they are run as high availability data centres, meaning 
they drop to battery for a minute then generators kick in for as long as they 
are fed fuel... in theory indefinitely unless there is severe emergency in the 
area.

In the more rural locations I've not heard of generators being used and think 
they are UPS driven, so from minutes upwards but not stretching into hours.

I would assume street cabinets either have no backup power or some basic 
batteries at best - at least the ones I've seen inside don't appear to have 
anything of note aside the telco gear.

Someone with first hand knowledge would be better placed to answer, but in the 
absence of that, the above is my experience from, well, quite some time ago but 
I don't see why it would have changed..

HTH
Steve



On Sat, 4 Feb 2023 at 15:44, Brandon Butterworth 
mailto:bran...@bogons.net>> wrote:
On Fri Feb 03, 2023 at 03:16:28PM -0800, Leo Vegoda wrote:
> > Question is, how much battery runtime can I typically expect from ISPs'
> > last mile infra. I was hoping some of you here might help estimate from
> > own experience.
>
> Ofcom ran a consultation on this in 2011. They suggested a minimum of
> one hour battery backup. My reading is that that is what they went
> with but the Ofcom site doesn't make that sparklingly clear, so I
> could be wrong. I'm also not sure if whatever obligation they came up
> with in 2011 has been updated.

Survey says 1 hour? It is academic what people think when there is an
actual plan for  rolling 3 hour outages several times per day
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/electricity-supply-emergency-code

So not only do you need to plan for the down time you need to consider the
recovery time of your system. Lead bas

Re: [j-nsp] Juniper EX/QFX vlan-id-list limitation

[Robin Williams via juniper-nsp]

--- Begin Message ---
Hi Olivier,

Thanks for the reply - it does seem rather odd that I can't do on a new high 
end EX or QFX switch, what I used to be able to do on a bottom end EX2200 with 
the dot1q-tunnelling stanza.

Regarding your workaround - were you running this config on the same physical 
interface?  As that won't commit in this scenario (as it presumably doesn't 
know which vlans to push into which outer..)

flexible-vlan-tagging;
encapsulation extended-vlan-bridge;
unit 3104 {
vlan-id-list 1-4094;
input-vlan-map push;
output-vlan-map pop;
}
unit 3107 {
vlan-id-list 1-4094;
input-vlan-map push;
output-vlan-map pop;
}

{master:0}[edit interfaces ge-0/0/1]
# commit check
[edit interfaces ge-0/0/1]
  'unit 3107'
duplicate VLAN-ID on interface
error: configuration check-out failed

Cheers,
Rob





-Original Message-
From: juniper-nsp  On Behalf Of Olivier 
Benghozi
Sent: 12 August 2020 19:12
To: juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net
Subject: Re: [j-nsp] Juniper EX/QFX vlan-id-list limitation

Hi,

We miraculously found this doc before implementing such QinQ conf on EX4600 
(that are low end QFX5100).
So we didn't try to test the switch with this case, and we directly used such 
config: instead of vlan-id-list [some ids], we (nearly) always use the same one 
everywhere: vlan-id-list 2-4094. Problem fixed before it appeared.

Sometimes we use vlan-id-list 1-4094 and native-vlan 1, when some untagged 
traffic must be carried too – in this case the untagged traffic is 
double-tagged on the NNI port with dot1q tag 1 as cvlan – there's a thread 
about that in this mailing-list by the way.


> Le 12 août 2020 à 18:18, Robin Williams via juniper-nsp 
>  a écrit :
>
> Has anyone come across PR1395312 before?
>
> “On ACX/EX/QFX platforms, if VLAN ID lists are configured under a single 
> physical interface, Q-in-Q might stop working for certain VLAN ID lists”.
>
> [...]
>
> interfaces {
>xe-0/1/0 {
>flexible-vlan-tagging;
>encapsulation extended-vlan-bridge;
>unit 3104 {
>vlan-id-list [ 1102 1128 1150 1172 4000 4001 4002 4003];
>input-vlan-map push;
>output-vlan-map pop;
>}
>
> The docs page for ‘vlan-id-lists’ does mention:
> https://www.juniper.net/documentation/en_US/junos/topics/reference/con
> figuration-statement/vlan-id-list-edit-bridge-domains.html
>
> “WARNING On some EX and QFX Series switches, if VLAN identifier list 
> (vlan-id-list) is used for Q-in-Q tunnelling, you can apply no more than 
> eight VLAN identifier lists to a physical interface.”

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[j-nsp] Juniper EX/QFX vlan-id-list limitation

[Robin Williams via juniper-nsp]

--- Begin Message ---
Hi all,

Has anyone come across PR1395312 before?

“On ACX/EX/QFX platforms, if VLAN ID lists are configured under a single 
physical interface, Q-in-Q might stop working for certain VLAN ID lists”.

Very vague.

If our testing, if we go above 7 VLANs (even if it’s within the same 
vlan-id-list) on the same port, we see the following errors in the logs and the 
switch goes haywire or stops passing traffic;

fpc0 LBCM-L2,pfe_bcm_l2_ing_vlanid_list_xlat_program(),931:ING vlan-xlat 
hw-program failed for ifl idx(563),match-vid(4002:4002), vlan-token(3), 
error(Table full)

config example;

interfaces {
xe-0/1/0 {
flexible-vlan-tagging;
encapsulation extended-vlan-bridge;
unit 3104 {
vlan-id-list [ 1102 1128 1150 1172 4000 4001 4002 4003];
input-vlan-map push;
output-vlan-map pop;
}

(so, pushing a vlan-id-list into an outer tag - a fairly standard metro 
operation)

The docs page for ‘vlan-id-lists’ does mention:
https://www.juniper.net/documentation/en_US/junos/topics/reference/configuration-statement/vlan-id-list-edit-bridge-domains.html

“WARNING On some EX and QFX Series switches, if VLAN identifier list 
(vlan-id-list) is used for Q-in-Q tunnelling, you can apply no more than eight 
VLAN identifier lists to a physical interface.”

Again, very vague “Some switches”.   “No more than eight”. WHICH SWITCHES!

In my mind, the above configuration classes as a single vlan-id-list, but TAC 
say not - they are classing that as 8.  I can however do a range of say, 1-100 
and that does only class as a single entry, strangely.  In my mind, the wording 
of the documentation is incorrect.

TAC are saying there is no plans for a fix, so I’m assuming it’s a hardware 
limitation of the units running ELS code or trident chips (as the older EX 
platforms could cope with it fine).

Has anyone else seen this before, or come up with a workaround?  Strangely 
version 15 isn't listed on the PR, but I assume that's just a mistake (yet to 
test).

Cheers,
Robin.




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Re: [uknof] IWF URL blocking

[Robin Williams]

The sorts of implementations I’m aware of use the looked up IP at a network 
level to redirect traffic through a transparent proxy and then use standard 
techniques like looking at the SNI and certificate common name/SAN to check the 
domain without MITM and allow through any unaffected traffic while attempting 
to block the listed URL.  If you remember there was a high profile case a few 
years back where Wikipedia was accidently blocked by some ISPs due to their 
implementations.

Obviously one casualty with things moving to encrypted SNI, DoH and TLS1.3 etc, 
is the premise of such basic non-MITM filtering in any environment (educational 
or byod for example, where you might have a need to provide basic filtering on 
a network where you don’t own the devices/can’t install certs).

Cheers,
Robin




From: uknof  On Behalf Of Aled Morris
Sent: 03 June 2020 16:06
To: uknof 
Subject: [uknof] IWF URL blocking

Hi all,

Are we (the ISP community) still using the IWF URL blacklist?

I would have thought with all the web being HTTPS now, very few of the 
blacklist would be served from port 80 unencrypted so there's little 
opportunity to inspect the HTTP headers.

Or are we faking certificates and doing MITM "attacks" on the hosts of know bad 
URLs?

Be interested to know what the consensus is as the CEO seems to have just found 
out that there are bad things on the net, read about the IWF blacklist and is 
keen that "something must be done".

Aled


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Re: [j-nsp] EX2300 Code

[Robin Williams via juniper-nsp]

--- Begin Message ---
We've been going through JTAC recommended releases for months with the 
management crash bug mentioned in this thread (PR1442376) and none of them have 
fixed it on our OOB switches (certainly NOT fixed in 18.2R3-S1.7, the previous 
recommended).

JTAC say it's finally fixed in 18.2R3-S2.9, which came out a couple of weeks 
ago and has now been updated on the JTAC recommended page.  Time will tell, as 
it can take some weeks to occur (most annoying when the switch is remote).

Cheers,
Rob



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From: juniper-nsp  On Behalf Of Brian 
Johnson
Sent: 12 December 2019 01:31
To: William 
Cc: juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net
Subject: Re: [j-nsp] EX2300 Code

Always use the JTAC recommends version unless you have a specific feature you 
need that is not supported in that version.

https://kb.juniper.net/InfoCenter/index?page=content&id=KB21476 


Thus... 15.1X53-D591 or 18.2R3-S2 should be good to go.

- Brian

> On Dec 9, 2019, at 5:15 AM, William  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I am in the process of getting our first stack of EX2300s ready for
> production, can anyone recommend any specific versions of junos to run
> on them?
>
> I'm not taking advantage of any advance features, just after something
> stable :)
>
> Cheers,
>
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[j-nsp] CCC MPLS between EX4600 (ELS) and EX4200, just impossible?

[Robin Williams]

Hi all,

Has anyone ever attempted/succeeded at getting a CCC VPN (either 
ethernet-ccc or vlan-ccc) to work between a ELS switch like the EX4600 
and an old switch like the EX4200?  As far as I can see, all of the LSPs 
and the connection itself come up just fine, labels are shared correctly 
etc, but no traffic will pass back through the EX4600 CCC port, so it's 
presumably just dropped by the switch.


Pages like this seem to suggest it's not possible to use the same sort 
of workarounds as would be used to get en EX4200 to talk to an MX 
(pop/push etc at the MX end);

https://kb.juniper.net/InfoCenter/index?page=content&id=KB24409
"Note: This workaround does not work with the combination of different 
EX platforms. For example, EX8200 and EX4200/EX3200."


I guess what I'd be interested in knowing (as I can't seem to see it on 
my traffic dumps), is what the actual incompatibility is, in terms of 
the encapsulation/packets, which is different between the two switches, 
and whether there are any workarounds (all be it unsupported)?


The thing that stands out to me in a 'show interface', is that on the 
EX4600 the encapsulation shows as 'ethernet-ccc' or 'vlan-ccc' as I'd 
expect (and am familiar with on the ELS EX and MX platforms), but the 
EX4200 end suggests encapsulation 'ENET2', even though it's configured 
on the port with vlan-tagging and family ccc on the vlan unit (the 
config is obviously different than on the 4600, as you don't specify an 
encapsulation like that on the ex4200).  Anyone any idea how ENET2 
differs from ethernet/vlan-ccc encapsulation, and whether this could be 
the issue?  Output below.


Best,
Robin.





4200 output
---

admin@TEST-EX4200# show interfaces ge-0/0/12
vlan-tagging;
mtu 1588;
unit 633 {
vlan-id 633;
family ccc;
}

Logical interface ge-0/0/12.633 (Index 73) (SNMP ifIndex 547)
Flags: Up SNMP-Traps 0x0 VLAN-Tag [ 0x8100.633 ]  Encapsulation: ENET2
Input packets : 6023
Output packets: 217474
Protocol ccc, MTU: 1588
  Flags: Is-Primary

Connection/CircuitTypeSt  Time last up # 
Up trans
test1-test2_vlan633 rmt-if  Up  Mar 23 
23:46:55   6

  ge-0/0/12.633 intf  Up
  test1-test2_vlan633 tlsp  Up
  test2-test1_vlan633 rlsp  Up
  Incoming labels: 299856
  Outgoing labels: Push 25



4600 output

admin@TEST-4600# show interfaces ge-0/0/12
vlan-tagging;
mtu 1588;
encapsulation vlan-ccc;
unit 633 {
encapsulation vlan-ccc;
vlan-id 633;
family ccc;
}
Logical interface ge-0/0/12.633 (Index 555) (SNMP ifIndex 541)
Flags: Up SNMP-Traps 0x4000 VLAN-Tag [ 0x8100.633 ] Encapsulation: 
VLAN-CCC

Input packets : 0
Output packets: 0
Protocol ccc, MTU: 1588
  Flags: Is-Primary

Connection/CircuitTypeSt  Time last up # 
Up trans
test2-test1_vlan633 rmt-if  Up  Jul 27 
00:29:05   8

  ge-0/0/12.633 intf  Up
  test2-test1_vlan633 tlsp  Up
  test1-test2_vlan633 rlsp  Up
  Incoming labels: 25
  Outgoing labels: Push 299856







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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] **NEW Sao Jorge Marriage records

[ROBIN WILLIAMS LEBO]

This is great. Thank you for doing all this work. 
 I’m just wondering why my great grandmothers name is her married name and not 
using the maiden name. Is there any way to change it? 

Robin

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Re: [uknof] GTT account management

[Robin Williams]

On 06/02/18 17:01, Tom Hill wrote:

On 06/02/18 16:49, Robin Williams wrote:

Apparently our GTT account management has been moved (unbeknown to me)
to a US based pool.  I know a few others on here use GTT transit -
wondered if it's just us, or if it's happened to anyone else?

Unsure. Have a new AM, but it could just be a US mail server. Reply
language is en-US, but could it just be the default.  *shrug*

Does it matter?



Thanks Tom,

Shouldn't matter in theory - just had a few problems getting a request 
through that's all, and when they mentioned the structural change, it 
took me by surprise.  Doing some digging since my first post, it looks 
like the move may be strategic;


From: 
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/news/gtt-communications-gtt-ceo-rick-calder-on-q3-2017-results-earnings-call-transcript/ar-AAut9BQ


"As with some of our past acquisitions, Global Capacity's revenue base 
has been shrinking, largely driven by a tail of small and medium 
business accounts. As part of a larger GTT, we are moving all SMB 
accounts to a separate division."



As it stands I've just carried-on dealing with the GTT employee that you
may have met at recent UKNOF meetings, and this still appears to work. :)


I'll drop you a line!

Cheers,
Robin.

[uknof] GTT account management

[Robin Williams]

Apparently our GTT account management has been moved (unbeknown to me) 
to a US based pool.  I know a few others on here use GTT transit - 
wondered if it's just us, or if it's happened to anyone else?


Cheers,
Robin.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ancestry

[ROBIN WILLIAMS LEBO]

I use TribalPages.com. It’s free up to a certain number of people. You can have 
others access with a password. It also can do a monthly newsletter. 
Check it out and see if it’s for you. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 18, 2018, at 19:47, Pam Santos  wrote:
> 
> I took down my trees on ancestry because it was private yet now when you 
> search they have all your information in the index no sense of it being 
> private. Some of you had access so If wondering why i removed them. 
> 
> Any other place i can upload my trees and be private so others can still view 
> ?
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Re: [uknof] Vodafone Suresignal Problems

[Robin Williams]

We've run into a whitelist problem several times.  The key is getting 
through to the right person in Voda to update the whitelist (last time I 
tried, it was the TRaC team you want).  Also worth checking that all the 
GEO IP information for your address range is up to date.


There is an old thread in UKNOF with more details, though I suspect some 
of the menu options may be out of date:


https://www.mail-archive.com/uknof@lists.uknof.org.uk/msg01965.html

Cheers,
Robin.



On 04/05/17 09:07, Paul Bone wrote:


Is there anyone from Vodafone on this list who could advise on 
Vodafone Suresignal devices?


We have just taken over the internet supply of a site (so changed 
customers IP addresses) and several users have Vodafone Suresignals 
which no longer work after the switch. We have not changed their 
routers just their IP addresses.


Vodafone 1^st line support just keeps telling the customers that the 
ISP is blocking their IPsec tunnels which we are not. It looks to me 
like Vodafone might have some whitelists for these devices but I am 
speculating!


Thanks

Best regards, Paul

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Happy Easter - Feliz Pascoa thread

[ROBIN WILLIAMS LEBO]

Celeste,
I did my Portuguese bakery purchase yesterday at the Hanford bakery. Two small 
loaves for people I'm staying at their homes and a loaf for my mother. A few 
pastries for the road. Since they are small they have the Jordan almonds on 
top. Car got broken into last night in Stockton. They didn't take my bread. 
Took my clothes and more ripped up my dash but not my bread. 
Blessings to all. 

Robin

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> On Apr 15, 2017, at 13:21, 'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Good for you, Mary.  I bought the massa sevada at the Portuguese bakery!  
> Happy Easter everyone,, no matter how you got the great bread to eat for 
> Easter.
> Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com
> 
> 
> On Sat, 4/15/17, Mary Bordi  wrote:
> 
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Happy Easter - Feliz Pascoa thread
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> Date: Saturday, April 15, 2017, 11:18 AM
> 
> Happy Easter all! 
> 
> I managed to bake some Easter bread this year. Wish I could
> share it will everyone!
> 
> Mary
> On Sat,
> Apr 15, 2017 at 8:26 AM Cheri Mello 
> wrote:
> Happy
> Easter and Feliz Pascoa to all!
> 
> If you would like to send your Easter greetings, hit
> reply and respond to this thread ONLY. Do NOT start your own
> Easter thread. 
> 
> You may send your Easter greetings on Saturday and
> Sunday. If it's Monday in your time zone, you are too
> late. The Easter greeting thread will be done by then.
> Thanks, Cheri
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca,
> Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
> Achada
> 
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Bug#851709: Update

[Robin Williams]

Is there any worth in me continuing to add data to this bug, or has this 
just dropped into a blackhole?

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DAR Seminar

[ROBIN WILLIAMS LEBO]

Thank you so much for all the wonderful information in the class. Your 
explanation and handouts plus all the sites in the book are so valuable.
 Leanora gave me some helpful information concerning a drowning and a ship. So 
very grateful on that. I owe her a copy. 
It was a day of wonderful information. 

Robin Lebo

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> On Jan 21, 2017, at 15:41, Rosemarie Capodicci  wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone who attended the DAR Seminar! I had a wonderful time with a 
> wonderful group of people. Thanks so much for coming to the class there is so 
> much to say and just not enough time!! LOL
> 
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
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Bug#851709: Info received (Another segfault trace)

[Robin Williams]

Another.

[Thread 0x7fff956fb700 (LWP 21089) exited]
[New Thread 0x7fff956fb700 (LWP 21095)]

Thread 1 "icedove-bin" received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
0x in ?? ()
(gdb) 
(gdb) 
(gdb) thread apply all bt

Thread 690 (Thread 0x7fff956fb700 (LWP 21095)):
#0  pthread_cond_timedwait@@GLIBC_2.3.2 () at 
../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/x86_64/pthread_cond_timedwait.S:225
#1  0x75ea2653 in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libnspr4.so
#2  0x75ea2b7e in PR_WaitCondVar () from 
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libnspr4.so
#3  0x72257225 in mozilla::CondVar::Wait 
(aInterval=aInterval@entry=3, this=) at 
../../dist/include/mozilla/CondVar.h:79
#4  0x7225d069 in nsEventQueue::Wait (aInterval=3, 
this=0x7fffd4715de8) at ./mozilla/xpcom/threads/nsEventQueue.h:104
#5  nsThreadPool::Run (this=0x7fffd4715dc0) at 
./mozilla/xpcom/threads/nsThreadPool.cpp:217
#6  0x7225ea53 in nsThread::ProcessNextEvent (this=0x7fff615fd830, 
aMayWait=, aResult=0x7fff956fadd7) at 
./mozilla/xpcom/threads/nsThread.cpp:972
#7  0x72278ae9 in NS_ProcessNextEvent (aThread=, 
aMayWait=aMayWait@entry=true) at ./mozilla/xpcom/glue/nsThreadUtils.cpp:297
#8  0x7245be9b in mozilla::ipc::MessagePumpForNonMainThreads::Run 
(this=0x7fff5e746bc0, aDelegate=0x7fff78d81ba0) at 
./mozilla/ipc/glue/MessagePump.cpp:355
#9  0x7244bf62 in MessageLoop::RunHandler (this=0x7fff78d81ba0) at 
./mozilla/ipc/chromium/src/base/message_loop.cc:227
#10 MessageLoop::Run (this=this@entry=0x7fff78d81ba0) at 
./mozilla/ipc/chromium/src/base/message_loop.cc:201
#11 0x72260742 in nsThread::ThreadFunc (aArg=0x7fff615fd830) at 
./mozilla/xpcom/threads/nsThread.cpp:376
#12 0x75ea8549 in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libnspr4.so
#13 0x77bc4464 in start_thread (arg=0x7fff956fb700) at 
pthread_create.c:333
#14 0x76e679df in clone () at 
../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/x86_64/clone.S:105

Thread 688 (Thread 0x7fffaccff700 (LWP 21088)):
#0  pthread_cond_timedwait@@GLIBC_2.3.2 () at 
../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/x86_64/pthread_cond_timedwait.S:225
#1  0x75ea2653 in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libnspr4.so
#2  0x75ea2b7e in PR_WaitCondVar () from 
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libnspr4.so
#3  0x722f4f41 in mozilla::CondVar::Wait (this=0x76b7abd0, 
aInterval=30) at ../../dist/include/mozilla/CondVar.h:79
#4  nsHostResolver::GetHostToLookup (this=this@entry=0x76b7abb0, 
result=result@entry=0x7fffaccfee70) at 
./mozilla/netwerk/dns/nsHostResolver.cpp:1163
#5  0x722f5489 in nsHostResolver::ThreadFunc (arg=0x76b7abb0) at 
./mozilla/netwerk/dns/nsHostResolver.cpp:1391
#6  0x75ea8549 in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libnspr4.so
#7  0x77bc4464 in start_thread (arg=0x7fffaccff700) at 
pthread_create.c:333
#8  0x76e679df in clone () at 
../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/x86_64/clone.S:105

Thread 687 (Thread 0x7fff725ff700 (LWP 21087)):
#0  pthread_cond_timedwait@@GLIBC_2.3.2 () at 
../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/x86_64/pthread_cond_timedwait.S:225
#1  0x75ea2653 in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libnspr4.so
#2  0x75ea3022 in PR_Wait () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libnspr4.so
#3  0x721407f1 in mozilla::ReentrantMonitor::Wait (this=0x7fff6912c9e0, 
aInterval=aInterval@entry=6) at 
../../../dist/include/mozilla/ReentrantMonitor.h:91
#4  0x7214cc87 in mozilla::ReentrantMonitorAutoEnter::Wait 
(aInterval=6, this=0x7fff725fecb0) at 
../../../dist/include/mozilla/ReentrantMonitor.h:190
#5  nsImapProtocol::ImapThreadMainLoop (this=this@entry=0x7fff6912c800) at 
./mailnews/imap/src/nsImapProtocol.cpp:1351
#6  0x7214ce79 in nsImapProtocol::Run (this=0x7fff6912c800) at 
./mailnews/imap/src/nsImapProtocol.cpp:1068
#7  0x7225ea53 in nsThread::ProcessNextEvent (this=0x7fff615fe1f0, 
aMayWait=, aResult=0x7fff725fedd7) at 
./mozilla/xpcom/threads/nsThread.cpp:972
#8  0x72278ae9 in NS_ProcessNextEvent (aThread=, 
aMayWait=aMayWait@entry=true) at ./mozilla/xpcom/glue/nsThreadUtils.cpp:297
#9  0x7245be9b in mozilla::ipc::MessagePumpForNonMainThreads::Run 
(this=0x7fff712c6180, aDelegate=0x7fff78d83190) at 
./mozilla/ipc/glue/MessagePump.cpp:355
#10 0x7244bf62 in MessageLoop::RunHandler (this=0x7fff78d83190) at 
./mozilla/ipc/chromium/src/base/message_loop.cc:227
#11 MessageLoop::Run (this=this@entry=0x7fff78d83190) at 
./mozilla/ipc/chromium/src/base/message_loop.cc:201
#12 0x72260742 in nsThread::ThreadFunc (aArg=0x7fff615fe1f0) at 
./mozilla/xpcom/threads/nsThread.cpp:376
#13 0x75ea8549 in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libnspr4.so
#14 0x77bc4464 in start_thread (arg=0x7fff725ff700) at 
pthread_create.c:333
#15 0x76e679df in clone () at 
../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/x86_64/clone.S:105

Thread 678 (Thread 0x7fffa7aff700 (LWP 20759)):
#0  pthread_cond_timedwait@@GLIBC_2.3.2 () at 
../sysdeps/unix/sysv/

Bug#851709: Another segfault trace

[Robin Williams]

Another crash almost immediately
Thread 1 "icedove-bin" received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
0x in ?? ()
(gdb) thread apply all bt

Thread 105 (Thread 0x7fffafdfd700 (LWP 22367)):
#0  pthread_cond_timedwait@@GLIBC_2.3.2 () at 
../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/x86_64/pthread_cond_timedwait.S:225
#1  0x75ea2653 in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libnspr4.so
#2  0x75ea3022 in PR_Wait () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libnspr4.so
#3  0x721407f1 in mozilla::ReentrantMonitor::Wait (this=0x7fff7dbc89e0, 
aInterval=aInterval@entry=6) at 
../../../dist/include/mozilla/ReentrantMonitor.h:91
#4  0x7214cc87 in mozilla::ReentrantMonitorAutoEnter::Wait 
(aInterval=6, this=0x7fffafdfccb0) at 
../../../dist/include/mozilla/ReentrantMonitor.h:190
#5  nsImapProtocol::ImapThreadMainLoop (this=this@entry=0x7fff7dbc8800) at 
./mailnews/imap/src/nsImapProtocol.cpp:1351
#6  0x7214ce79 in nsImapProtocol::Run (this=0x7fff7dbc8800) at 
./mailnews/imap/src/nsImapProtocol.cpp:1068
#7  0x7225ea53 in nsThread::ProcessNextEvent (this=0x7fff7703ad50, 
aMayWait=, aResult=0x7fffafdfcdd7) at 
./mozilla/xpcom/threads/nsThread.cpp:972
#8  0x72278ae9 in NS_ProcessNextEvent (aThread=, 
aMayWait=aMayWait@entry=false) at ./mozilla/xpcom/glue/nsThreadUtils.cpp:297
#9  0x7245be4c in mozilla::ipc::MessagePumpForNonMainThreads::Run 
(this=0x7fff79d96280, aDelegate=0x7fff782fdae0) at 
./mozilla/ipc/glue/MessagePump.cpp:326
#10 0x7244bf62 in MessageLoop::RunHandler (this=0x7fff782fdae0) at 
./mozilla/ipc/chromium/src/base/message_loop.cc:227
#11 MessageLoop::Run (this=this@entry=0x7fff782fdae0) at 
./mozilla/ipc/chromium/src/base/message_loop.cc:201
#12 0x72260742 in nsThread::ThreadFunc (aArg=0x7fff7703ad50) at 
./mozilla/xpcom/threads/nsThread.cpp:376
#13 0x75ea8549 in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libnspr4.so
#14 0x77bc4464 in start_thread (arg=0x7fffafdfd700) at 
pthread_create.c:333
#15 0x76e679df in clone () at 
../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/x86_64/clone.S:105

Thread 104 (Thread 0x7fffb17fe700 (LWP 22365)):
#0  pthread_cond_timedwait@@GLIBC_2.3.2 () at 
../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/x86_64/pthread_cond_timedwait.S:225
#1  0x75ea2653 in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libnspr4.so
#2  0x75ea2b7e in PR_WaitCondVar () from 
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libnspr4.so
#3  0x72257225 in mozilla::CondVar::Wait 
(aInterval=aInterval@entry=3, this=) at 
../../dist/include/mozilla/CondVar.h:79
#4  0x7225d069 in nsEventQueue::Wait (aInterval=3, 
this=0x7fffe4a92e28) at ./mozilla/xpcom/threads/nsEventQueue.h:104
#5  nsThreadPool::Run (this=0x7fffe4a92e00) at 
./mozilla/xpcom/threads/nsThreadPool.cpp:217
#6  0x7225ea53 in nsThread::ProcessNextEvent (this=0x7fff770391b0, 
aMayWait=, aResult=0x7fffb17fddd7) at 
./mozilla/xpcom/threads/nsThread.cpp:972
#7  0x72278ae9 in NS_ProcessNextEvent (aThread=, 
aMayWait=aMayWait@entry=false) at ./mozilla/xpcom/glue/nsThreadUtils.cpp:297
#8  0x7245be4c in mozilla::ipc::MessagePumpForNonMainThreads::Run 
(this=0x7fff77066e00, aDelegate=0x7fff84ff7ad0) at 
./mozilla/ipc/glue/MessagePump.cpp:326
#9  0x7244bf62 in MessageLoop::RunHandler (this=0x7fff84ff7ad0) at 
./mozilla/ipc/chromium/src/base/message_loop.cc:227
#10 MessageLoop::Run (this=this@entry=0x7fff84ff7ad0) at 
./mozilla/ipc/chromium/src/base/message_loop.cc:201
#11 0x72260742 in nsThread::ThreadFunc (aArg=0x7fff770391b0) at 
./mozilla/xpcom/threads/nsThread.cpp:376
#12 0x75ea8549 in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libnspr4.so
#13 0x77bc4464 in start_thread (arg=0x7fffb17fe700) at 
pthread_create.c:333
#14 0x76e679df in clone () at 
../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/x86_64/clone.S:105

Thread 103 (Thread 0x7fffb4bff700 (LWP 22364)):
#0  pthread_cond_timedwait@@GLIBC_2.3.2 () at 
../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/x86_64/pthread_cond_timedwait.S:225
#1  0x75ea2653 in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libnspr4.so
#2  0x75ea3022 in PR_Wait () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libnspr4.so
#3  0x721407f1 in mozilla::ReentrantMonitor::Wait (this=0x7fff7dbbd9e0, 
aInterval=aInterval@entry=6) at 
../../../dist/include/mozilla/ReentrantMonitor.h:91
#4  0x7214cc87 in mozilla::ReentrantMonitorAutoEnter::Wait 
(aInterval=6, this=0x7fffb4bfecb0) at 
../../../dist/include/mozilla/ReentrantMonitor.h:190
#5  nsImapProtocol::ImapThreadMainLoop (this=this@entry=0x7fff7dbbd800) at 
./mailnews/imap/src/nsImapProtocol.cpp:1351
#6  0x7214ce79 in nsImapProtocol::Run (this=0x7fff7dbbd800) at 
./mailnews/imap/src/nsImapProtocol.cpp:1068
#7  0x7225ea53 in nsThread::ProcessNextEvent (this=0x7fff770390e0, 
aMayWait=, aResult=0x7fffb4bfedd7) at 
./mozilla/xpcom/threads/nsThread.cpp:972
#8  0x72278ae9 in NS_ProcessNextEvent (aThread=, 
aMayWait=aMayWait@entry=false) at ./mozilla/xpcom/glue/nsThreadUtils.cpp

Bug#851709: Segfault trace

[Robin Williams]

Another segfault trace

New Thread 0x7fffb0ffd700 (LWP 21978)]
[Thread 0x7fffb0ffd700 (LWP 21978) exited]
[New Thread 0x7fffb0ffd700 (LWP 21996)]

Thread 1 "icedove-bin" received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
0x756590b0 in vtable for nsDisplayTableBorderBackground () from 
/usr/lib/icedove/libxul.so
(gdb) 
(gdb) thread apply all bt

Thread 336 (Thread 0x7fffb0ffd700 (LWP 21996)):
#0  pthread_cond_timedwait@@GLIBC_2.3.2 () at 
../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/x86_64/pthread_cond_timedwait.S:225
#1  0x75ea2653 in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libnspr4.so
#2  0x75ea2b7e in PR_WaitCondVar () from 
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libnspr4.so
#3  0x72257225 in mozilla::CondVar::Wait 
(aInterval=aInterval@entry=3, this=) at 
../../dist/include/mozilla/CondVar.h:79
#4  0x7225d069 in nsEventQueue::Wait (aInterval=3, 
this=0x7fffd4715de8) at ./mozilla/xpcom/threads/nsEventQueue.h:104
#5  nsThreadPool::Run (this=0x7fffd4715dc0) at 
./mozilla/xpcom/threads/nsThreadPool.cpp:217
#6  0x7225ea53 in nsThread::ProcessNextEvent (this=0x7fff745141f0, 
aMayWait=, aResult=0x7fffb0ffcdd7) at 
./mozilla/xpcom/threads/nsThread.cpp:972
#7  0x72278ae9 in NS_ProcessNextEvent (aThread=, 
aMayWait=aMayWait@entry=true) at ./mozilla/xpcom/glue/nsThreadUtils.cpp:297
#8  0x7245be9b in mozilla::ipc::MessagePumpForNonMainThreads::Run 
(this=0x7fff867feec0, aDelegate=0x7fff78152f00) at 
./mozilla/ipc/glue/MessagePump.cpp:355
#9  0x7244bf62 in MessageLoop::RunHandler (this=0x7fff78152f00) at 
./mozilla/ipc/chromium/src/base/message_loop.cc:227
#10 MessageLoop::Run (this=this@entry=0x7fff78152f00) at 
./mozilla/ipc/chromium/src/base/message_loop.cc:201
#11 0x72260742 in nsThread::ThreadFunc (aArg=0x7fff745141f0) at 
./mozilla/xpcom/threads/nsThread.cpp:376
#12 0x75ea8549 in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libnspr4.so
#13 0x77bc4464 in start_thread (arg=0x7fffb0ffd700) at 
pthread_create.c:333
#14 0x76e679df in clone () at 
../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/x86_64/clone.S:105

Thread 334 (Thread 0x7fffb17fe700 (LWP 21977)):
#0  pthread_cond_timedwait@@GLIBC_2.3.2 () at 
../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/x86_64/pthread_cond_timedwait.S:225
#1  0x75ea2653 in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libnspr4.so
#2  0x75ea3022 in PR_Wait () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libnspr4.so
#3  0x721407f1 in mozilla::ReentrantMonitor::Wait (this=0x7fffc4e8e9e0, 
aInterval=aInterval@entry=6) at 
../../../dist/include/mozilla/ReentrantMonitor.h:91
#4  0x7214cc87 in mozilla::ReentrantMonitorAutoEnter::Wait 
(aInterval=6, this=0x7fffb17fdcb0) at 
../../../dist/include/mozilla/ReentrantMonitor.h:190
#5  nsImapProtocol::ImapThreadMainLoop (this=this@entry=0x7fffc4e8e800) at 
./mailnews/imap/src/nsImapProtocol.cpp:1351
#6  0x7214ce79 in nsImapProtocol::Run (this=0x7fffc4e8e800) at 
./mailnews/imap/src/nsImapProtocol.cpp:1068
#7  0x7225ea53 in nsThread::ProcessNextEvent (this=0x7fff74513b70, 
aMayWait=, aResult=0x7fffb17fddd7) at 
./mozilla/xpcom/threads/nsThread.cpp:972
#8  0x72278ae9 in NS_ProcessNextEvent (aThread=, 
aMayWait=aMayWait@entry=true) at ./mozilla/xpcom/glue/nsThreadUtils.cpp:297
#9  0x7245be9b in mozilla::ipc::MessagePumpForNonMainThreads::Run 
(this=0x7fff8677c340, aDelegate=0x7fffb4602f00) at 
./mozilla/ipc/glue/MessagePump.cpp:355
#10 0x7244bf62 in MessageLoop::RunHandler (this=0x7fffb4602f00) at 
./mozilla/ipc/chromium/src/base/message_loop.cc:227
#11 MessageLoop::Run (this=this@entry=0x7fffb4602f00) at 
./mozilla/ipc/chromium/src/base/message_loop.cc:201
#12 0x72260742 in nsThread::ThreadFunc (aArg=0x7fff74513b70) at 
./mozilla/xpcom/threads/nsThread.cpp:376
#13 0x75ea8549 in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libnspr4.so
#14 0x77bc4464 in start_thread (arg=0x7fffb17fe700) at 
pthread_create.c:333
#15 0x76e679df in clone () at 
../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/x86_64/clone.S:105

Thread 333 (Thread 0x7fffb2ff6700 (LWP 21976)):
#0  pthread_cond_timedwait@@GLIBC_2.3.2 () at 
../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/x86_64/pthread_cond_timedwait.S:225
#1  0x75ea2653 in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libnspr4.so
#2  0x75ea3022 in PR_Wait () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libnspr4.so
#3  0x721407f1 in mozilla::ReentrantMonitor::Wait (this=0x7fffc4e8f9e0, 
aInterval=aInterval@entry=6) at 
../../../dist/include/mozilla/ReentrantMonitor.h:91
#4  0x7214cc87 in mozilla::ReentrantMonitorAutoEnter::Wait 
(aInterval=6, this=0x7fffb2ff5cb0) at 
../../../dist/include/mozilla/ReentrantMonitor.h:190
#5  nsImapProtocol::ImapThreadMainLoop (this=this@entry=0x7fffc4e8f800) at 
./mailnews/imap/src/nsImapProtocol.cpp:1351
#6  0x7214ce79 in nsImapProtocol::Run (this=0x7fffc4e8f800) at 
./mailnews/imap/src/nsImapProtocol.cpp:1068
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aMayWait=, aResult=

Bug#851709: Acknowledgement (icedove: Icedove frequent crashes (often when switching folders))

[Robin Williams]

Another segfault trace just now.

Thread 1 "icedove-bin" received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
0x in ?? ()
(gdb) thread apply all bt

Thread 112 (Thread 0x7fffb0dfe700 (LWP 9239)):
#0  pthread_cond_timedwait@@GLIBC_2.3.2 () at 
../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/x86_64/pthread_cond_timedwait.S:225
#1  0x75ea2653 in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libnspr4.so
#2  0x75ea3022 in PR_Wait () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libnspr4.so
#3  0x721407f1 in mozilla::ReentrantMonitor::Wait (this=0x7fffc62819e0, 
aInterval=aInterval@entry=6) at 
../../../dist/include/mozilla/ReentrantMonitor.h:91
#4  0x7214cc87 in mozilla::ReentrantMonitorAutoEnter::Wait 
(aInterval=6, this=0x7fffb0dfdcb0) at 
../../../dist/include/mozilla/ReentrantMonitor.h:190
#5  nsImapProtocol::ImapThreadMainLoop (this=this@entry=0x7fffc6281800) at 
./mailnews/imap/src/nsImapProtocol.cpp:1351
#6  0x7214ce79 in nsImapProtocol::Run (this=0x7fffc6281800) at 
./mailnews/imap/src/nsImapProtocol.cpp:1068
#7  0x7225ea53 in nsThread::ProcessNextEvent (this=0x7fff71774640, 
aMayWait=, aResult=0x7fffb0dfddd7) at 
./mozilla/xpcom/threads/nsThread.cpp:972
#8  0x72278ae9 in NS_ProcessNextEvent (aThread=, 
aMayWait=aMayWait@entry=true) at ./mozilla/xpcom/glue/nsThreadUtils.cpp:297
#9  0x7245be9b in mozilla::ipc::MessagePumpForNonMainThreads::Run 
(this=0x7fffc46c58c0, aDelegate=0x7fffbbbdf1a0) at 
./mozilla/ipc/glue/MessagePump.cpp:355
#10 0x7244bf62 in MessageLoop::RunHandler (this=0x7fffbbbdf1a0) at 
./mozilla/ipc/chromium/src/base/message_loop.cc:227
#11 MessageLoop::Run (this=this@entry=0x7fffbbbdf1a0) at 
./mozilla/ipc/chromium/src/base/message_loop.cc:201
#12 0x72260742 in nsThread::ThreadFunc (aArg=0x7fff71774640) at 
./mozilla/xpcom/threads/nsThread.cpp:376
#13 0x75ea8549 in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libnspr4.so
#14 0x77bc4464 in start_thread (arg=0x7fffb0dfe700) at 
pthread_create.c:333
#15 0x76e679df in clone () at 
../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/x86_64/clone.S:105

Thread 110 (Thread 0x7fffa8bff700 (LWP 9237)):
#0  pthread_cond_timedwait@@GLIBC_2.3.2 () at 
../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/x86_64/pthread_cond_timedwait.S:225
#1  0x75ea2653 in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libnspr4.so
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#3  0x721407f1 in mozilla::ReentrantMonitor::Wait (this=0x7fffc62709e0, 
aInterval=aInterval@entry=6) at 
../../../dist/include/mozilla/ReentrantMonitor.h:91
#4  0x7214cc87 in mozilla::ReentrantMonitorAutoEnter::Wait 
(aInterval=6, this=0x7fffa8bfecb0) at 
../../../dist/include/mozilla/ReentrantMonitor.h:190
#5  nsImapProtocol::ImapThreadMainLoop (this=this@entry=0x7fffc6270800) at 
./mailnews/imap/src/nsImapProtocol.cpp:1351
#6  0x7214ce79 in nsImapProtocol::Run (this=0x7fffc6270800) at 
./mailnews/imap/src/nsImapProtocol.cpp:1068
#7  0x7225ea53 in nsThread::ProcessNextEvent (this=0x7fff71774d90, 
aMayWait=, aResult=0x7fffa8bfedd7) at 
./mozilla/xpcom/threads/nsThread.cpp:972
#8  0x72278ae9 in NS_ProcessNextEvent (aThread=, 
aMayWait=aMayWait@entry=false) at ./mozilla/xpcom/glue/nsThreadUtils.cpp:297
#9  0x7245be4c in mozilla::ipc::MessagePumpForNonMainThreads::Run 
(this=0x7fffc43fde40, aDelegate=0x7fffbbbdee40) at 
./mozilla/ipc/glue/MessagePump.cpp:326
#10 0x7244bf62 in MessageLoop::RunHandler (this=0x7fffbbbdee40) at 
./mozilla/ipc/chromium/src/base/message_loop.cc:227
#11 MessageLoop::Run (this=this@entry=0x7fffbbbdee40) at 
./mozilla/ipc/chromium/src/base/message_loop.cc:201
#12 0x72260742 in nsThread::ThreadFunc (aArg=0x7fff71774d90) at 
./mozilla/xpcom/threads/nsThread.cpp:376
#13 0x75ea8549 in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libnspr4.so
#14 0x77bc4464 in start_thread (arg=0x7fffa8bff700) at 
pthread_create.c:333
#15 0x76e679df in clone () at 
../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/x86_64/clone.S:105

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../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/x86_64/pthread_cond_timedwait.S:225
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aInterval=aInterval@entry=6) at 
../../../dist/include/mozilla/ReentrantMonitor.h:91
#4  0x7214cc87 in mozilla::ReentrantMonitorAutoEnter::Wait 
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../../../dist/include/mozilla/ReentrantMonitor.h:190
#5  nsImapProtocol::ImapThreadMainLoop (this=this@entry=0x7fffa79b6000) at 
./mailnews/imap/src/nsImapProtocol.cpp:1351
#6  0x7214ce79 in nsImapProtocol::Run (this=0x7fffa79b6000) at 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DAR Seminar

[ROBIN WILLIAMS LEBO]

Rosemarie,
I will be attending. Bringing my sister but I do not know if she will attend. 
If she does we will share. 
Robin Williams Lebo

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> On Jan 15, 2017, at 13:59, Elizabeth Migliori  wrote:
> 
> Hi Rosemarie,
> 
> could you send  an email with info on the seminar to Karen Lema at 
> shiny4...@gmail.com
> Met her last year at a gathering that Joao did and she was just beginning and 
> he didn't go into depth so She might be interested in this.
> I just found her email.
> 
> Liz
> 
>> On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 9:14 AM, Rosemarie Capodicci  
>> wrote:
>> Hi Listers, 
>> Just a reminder that the DAR Seminar is next Saturday, Jan. 21st! We already 
>> have 16 people coming just from our list and also people from my area. That 
>> is great, I look forward to seeing and meeting people that I talk to all the 
>> time on the list. 
>> There are still another 10 who did ask for the info that have not let me 
>> know that they are coming to the Seminar. If you are indeed planning on 
>> attending, please let me know ASAP. They have already given me a bigger 
>> space for the class so I believe we are all right there but it still would 
>> be nice to know how many there will be attending. Thanks so much to all of 
>> you that asked for the info and if you can't make it this time maybe next! 
>> Rosemarie
>> rcap...@gmail.com
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DAR Ancestor Roundup

[ROBIN WILLIAMS LEBO]

Greetings,
I will be attending. 

Best Regards,
Robin W Lebo

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> On Dec 27, 2016, at 10:05, celso95316 via Azores Genealogy 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi There
> 
> My wife and I and two cousins from San Jose will be attending
> 
> Celso Anacleto-Denair, Ca.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Rosemarie Capodicci 
> To: azores 
> Sent: Mon, Dec 26, 2016 10:48 am
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] DAR Ancestor Roundup
> 
> Hi All, 
> Just thought I would remind everyone of the DAR Genealogy Ancestor Roundup to 
> be held on Saturday, Jan. 21, 2017 in Seaside California. I will be 
> presenting a two hour class on Portuguese Research (what is available to us 
> and how to read the records). I'm attaching the flyer. Please contact me 
> privately, at the email below, for any more info. If you do decide to make 
> the trip please let me know that you are coming as I am making handouts for 
> the class. So far, it looks like we have about 10 from the list coming. This 
> is also a nice chance to meet those that we 'talk' to on the list and also 
> others doing Portuguese research. There are many other classes available 
> expecially two classes on DNA. It's really a fun day of learning and 
> networking with others. Hope to see you there!! 
> 
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Attending the Azores Conference and Joao Ventura

[ROBIN WILLIAMS LEBO]

He helped me as well. He found my great grandparents record of marriage and 
other documents. He told me my Sao Jorge ancestor go back to Vikings. I'm still 
researching but it's slow going. I have yet to find a person who is a cousin. 
Joao Ventura is very professional and willing to help. 

Robin Lebo
Searching Silva, Luis, do Coracao de Jesus, Mendonca Borba, Dias, Sinero from 
Sao Jorge. 
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> On Sep 12, 2016, at 13:29, Cathy Bourgeois  
> wrote:
> 
> I've used him as well over the past year and he has been thorough in his 
> translation and speed in turning around "record" requests.  Spectacular 
> person.
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 12:25 PM, 'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Joao has been my primary resource collecting information and documents about 
>> my grandparents and my husband's grandparents for almost 20 years.  I can't 
>> tell you how often he has found someone that has been "hidden" behind the 
>> "walls" that sometimes occur while we are searching church records.
>> 
>> In addition, Joao met me on the continent while he was at the University of 
>> Coimbra and went with  me to the remote village where my grandfather was 
>> born and to the different places records were kept at that time.  I agree 
>> with all that has been stated about his skills and add that he has a 
>> wonderful personality too!
>> Celeste
>> Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, 9/11/16, 'Helen' via Azores Genealogy  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>  Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Attending the Azores Conference and Joao 
>> Ventura
>>  To: azores@googlegroups.com
>>  Date: Sunday, September 11, 2016, 9:57 PM
>> 
>>  I have
>>  asked Joao for help for the last 15 years.  He has help me
>>  with so much information, and his cost are so reasonable.
>>   Because most of my research is in Terceira,  most of my
>>  and my husband family are in Joao's data base.  I
>>  highly recommend him.Helen Vierra
>>  Salvador
>>  Sent from my iP
>>  On Sep 11,
>>  2016, at 9:14 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>  Yes, he lives in
>>  Terceira. 
>>  Rosemarie
>>  rcapodc@gmail.comResearching Sao
>>  Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico,
>>  Azores,Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia,
>>  Sicily
>> 
>>  On
>>  Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 8:48 PM, 'Monica C' via Azores
>>  Genealogy 
>>  wrote:
>>  Does he
>>  live in Azores?
>> 
>> 
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Re: [uknof] BT deny demand for broadband without a dial tone

[Robin Williams]

On 22/03/16 21:38, David Reader wrote:

On 22 Mar 2016, at 21:16, Ben King wrote:

Trust me, pay the few extra quid and enjoy the warm security of a 
dial tone.


I’m quite certain there are more cost-efficient ways to put an audible 
tone on a bunch of lines than renting a legacy POTS service…


…technically anyway. It being practical or permitted are likely where 
the problems would lie. It’s not something I ever had sufficient 
motivation or tuits to look into.


We tend to find a wetting current on MPFs is enough to keep all but the 
most inept OR pair thieves at bay and most kit supports it (added bonus 
as Paul said that it stops the copper joints corroding over time).  They 
*should* be looking for dialtone/current or both.


Robin

[jira] [Commented] (JSPWIKI-926) DIAL +1855/999/8045 Microsoft Outlook/Hotmail helpline number

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helpline number 
 Key: JSPWIKI-927
 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/JSPWIKI-927
 Project: JSPWiki
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Re: [uknof] FTTC Wires only

[Robin Williams]

Interesting given existing units are supposed to be fully supported 
until April 2017..


Robin.


On 14/01/16 15:01, Paul Astle wrote:


That’s a shame, looks like OR are having issues sourcing them as well! 
Maybe we can bring them in on a bulk buy deal!





*From:*uknof [mailto:uknof-boun...@lists.uknof.org.uk 
] *On Behalf Of *Alistair C

*Sent:* 14 January 2016 14:07
*To:* UKNOF mailto:uknof@lists.uknof.org.uk>>
*Subject:* Re: [uknof] FTTC Wires only

Just spoke with ECI again, absolute minimum they can order from their 
manufacturer is 10,000 units. 2500 units is not an option now as the 
stock was taken back by the original customer.


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Re: [uknof] FTTC Wires only

[Robin Williams]

There was a thread on UKNOF on the modem withdrawl back in Sept too, 
where Neil said he might come back with some further info, but I don't 
think I've seen any since unless I missed it.  I think the consensus was 
that it'd be nice if the Openreach modem could continue to be offered as 
an order option.


https://lists.uknof.org.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/private/uknof/2015-September/003927.html

Cheers,
Robin.



On 13/01/16 10:43, Alistair C wrote:

Hello,

BT stocks of FTTC VDSL2 modems are already scarce in some BT Openreach 
engineering circles and we have had recent installs where the 
engineers have not supplied a modem, despite their contract to supply 
with new installs until 'March' and then support till 2017.


Please excuse the below as it is may be more suited to Cisco-NSP (we 
utilise Cisco CPE for our CE devices);


This appears to have thrown up an interesting problem in so far that 
turning to integrated devices such as the Cisco 887VA-M  or Cisco 897 
which are "approved and certified for use with BT GEA/FTTC and 
compliant with SIN498", do not appear to support q-in-q across the 
VDSL ethernet interface.


The configuration examples I have reviewed and limited testing carried 
out thus far show VLAN 101 tagged on the VDSL ethernet interface as 
per the BT SIN requirement but there is an inability to tunnel 
additional VLANS across this interface/VLAN cleanly, which is a 
requirement for the service we provide.


I have raised the issue with Cisco to see if there is a work around or 
something obvious with regards to configuration that I am missing but 
this has not turned up anything positive so far.


In the event that Cisco CPE cannot meet our requirements (without 
having to resort to hacky work arounds) I am also investigating 
obtaining a supply of VDSL2 modems but this is also proving 
challenging with ECI quoting a high minimum order quantity and Huawei 
unable to supply due to the Echolife HG612 being 'EOL'.


Anyone out there trunking multiple VLANs to a CE over FTTC, in a 
similar position?


Thanks.

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Re: [uknof] Openreach withdrawal of FTTC CPEs

[Robin Williams]

On 17/09/15 10:01, James Bensley wrote:

On 14 September 2015 at 22:55, Tom Hill  wrote:

On 14/09/15 13:32, Robin Williams wrote:

I'm sure there's a sound technical reason, but again, it disadvantages
smaller CPs disproportionately who may only have a few customers on each
switch.

I know if I were building it, I'd be avoiding switch stacking at _any_ cost.

I agree with Tom, stacking in my experience is a nightmare waiting to
happen


I guess 'switch stack' could have been equally been 'bigger single 
chassis switch with more ports', though that may have made it harder 
with the vlan duplications.  Of course, if the GEA cable links were 
priced more reasonably, it wouldn't be a problem - perhaps I'm thinking 
of technical solutions to a problem with the OR cost model...


Cheers,
Robin.

Re: [uknof] Openreach withdrawal of FTTC CPEs

[Robin Williams]

On 14/09/15 12:43, James Bensley wrote:

On 14 September 2015 at 12:08, Alistair C  wrote:

On 14 September 2015 at 09:00, James Bensley  wrote:


I agree with all that you said except this bit. With the GEA NGA
service from option reache Option 82 is being passed (we're using
it!), they just intercept it an insert the link speed as extra values.


Do you currently have any customers utilising centralised DHCP and relay for
their LAN side, on FTTC?


Yes.

Cheers,
James.



Likewise here.  I was once told it wouldn't work but I've never had any 
problems with it.  Ditto QinQ and other 'business' requirements (though 
having handover tags repeat per cable link, per exchange can be a bit of 
a pain for re-writing.


Off topic, but never have understood why OR don't stack switches on 
their side, instead requiring CPs to purchase £2k cable links to each 
FTTC handover switch, of which there can be many per exchange 
(especially as after the first link, additional links are just a patch 
cable).  some suggest that this could be a money 
making venture   I'm sure there's a sound technical 
reason, but again, it disadvantages smaller CPs disproportionately who 
may only have a few customers on each switch.


Robin.

[uknof] Openreach withdrawal of FTTC CPEs

[Robin Williams]

What are the thoughts of smaller OR CPs represented here regarding the 
withdrawal of Openreach FTTC CPEs as an option?


To me it seems like a backward step, and while the big volume boys may 
well want to provide their own quad play CPEs (and avoid having two 
boxes etc), for smaller operators, the Openreach provided CPE had a lot 
of benefits - it was a circuit provided end-to-end by Openreach which 
included the CPE equipment as part of the support.


The removal of the option to receive the CPE means we go back to the 
line-only 'please check your equipment' and SFI visits days (arguing 
whose fault it is).  It also means for each site install the CP needs to 
send out an engineer to site with a CPE (smaller CPs may not always have 
local engineering), or alternatively use costly BT project managed 
services for 'while we're here' installation, meaning more cash goes to 
Openreach by default.


It feels somewhat as if this is a decision which has been made with 
larger operators in mind.  It would seem to make more sense if the 
supported CPE was an order option rather than withdrawing it entirely.


If this is something people are concerned about, it's worth raising your 
concerns with your Openreach CRM, the OTA (http://www.offta.org.uk/) and 
the FCS (http://www.fcs.org.uk/ - the FCS attend Openreach forums on 
behalf of small CPs).  It was indicated to us that sufficient voices may 
change the stance.


Of course, it may just be us that doesn't like it :)

Cheers,
Robin.

[uknof] Jiscom/Jisc commercial

[Robin Williams]

Interesting development from Janet/Jisc:

http://www.jiscom.uk/

Has anyone got any more info on how it will operate? Is it a fully 
commercial model?


It's an interesting move - would be surprised if state aid/competition 
rules hadn't popped up though...


Cheers,
Robin.

Re: [uknof] FTTC roll out logic?

[Robin Williams]

On 04/06/15 11:27, David Walters wrote:
On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 11:00 AM, Gavin Henry > wrote:


My point is that this is in a small village called Rothienorman with
one of those small brown shed type exchanges (forget the correct
name). I can't get FTTC in our main office in Aberdeen, the heart of
the Oil and Gas sector in Europe. How does this selection process for
upgrading exchanges get decided?!?


A big office might be on an exchange only line without a PCP (Primary 
Connection Point / green cabinet) to put an FTTC cabinet next to.


BT Openreach claim to be working on a solution for EO lines. I'm not 
sure what it will be or when it might happen.


I've seen it happen in some exchange areas - previously EO lines, new 
PCPs dropped outside the exchange (along with an FTTC cab) and the EO 
lines pulled back to the cabinet.  Seems to be a way around the ANFP not 
allowing VDSL directly from the exchange.


Rob

Re: [j-nsp] Disabling logging for chassisd

[Robin Williams]

Hi James,

Don't know if this will work given you said modifying [system syslog] 
didn't work, but you *should* be able to stop it writing certain events 
to log with something like the 'match' line below (changing 'messages' 
for 'chassisd' of course).


! (not) obviously meaning don't match/log and .* meaning anything before 
or in front of the specified text.  The | being 'or', so you can put 
multiple statements in.


# show system syslog
file messages {
any notice;
authorization info;
match "!(.*unconfigured 
neighbor.*|.*pfe_get_ifl_stats.*|.*mld6_input: src.*)";

}

Cheers,
Robin.




On 29/11/14 08:06, James wrote:

Hello,

Is it possible to disable 'chassisd' from keep writing to /var/log/chassisd?  
Using [ system syslog ] configuration to redirect to a syslog server or limit 
verbosity doesn't seem to have any effect.

I've got an EX4300 running buggy 13.2X50 version which falsely complains about 
over-temperature and missing PSUs on a perfectly working device.  
Unfortunately, it's going to take me a while longer before I could take down 
the switch to upgrade JUNOS for a fix..  In the meanwhile, /var/log/chassisd 
keeps getting written every 3-5 seconds with junk messages, is there a way to 
temporarily turn that off?

Thank you,
James
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Re: [j-nsp] EX3300/4300 Switch MPLS CCC Support

[Robin Williams]

I've definitely got some sympathy for MPLS (and BGP in fact) being a 
licensed option given it's a feature most probably wouldn't want (albeit 
a very useful one for a niche who will pay a lot for an AFL to support 
it), but things like OSPF and IPv6 should be standard features and are 
on most competitors L3 switches.  I mean, taxing users wanting IPv6?  Is 
that Juniper's contribution to helping people push v6 support forward?


Robin



On 08/11/14 04:47, Tim Jackson wrote:
Licenses for stupid SW features are total BS, here's to hoping that 
Juniper figures this out. Probably not though.


If I missed that, sorry..

From what I know, MPLS on new EX is unlikely to happen (even though I 
really really really want it). ACX is where MPLS on Broadcom based 
products is going to happen (outside of the generous MPLS featureset 
available on QFX today).


--
Tim

On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 10:44 PM, Skeeve Stevens 
<mailto:skeeve+juniper...@eintellegonetworks.com>> wrote:


I was referring to OSPF, IPv6, etc.. basic features

and the fact you need an EFL and AFL now is just rude.


...Skeeve

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On 8 November 2014 15:35, Tim Jackson mailto:jackson@gmail.com>> wrote:

Is MPLS CCC really a basic feature?

What other enterprise switch can do L2 over MPLS?

I'd imagine that EX4300 is capable of it (and more) that it
can do it,
but why waste the effort making l2circuit work on Broadcom DC/EX
chips? It wasn't promised in the switches datasheets, was it?

Push for cash?

Basic features?

You got shit for free now you expect it. I agree that shit
should just
appear from my vendors magically for free at prices cheaper
than their
competitors, but I also live in the real world where reality
and my
dreams aren't the same thing..

Then again, I'm also just an angry man waiting on his plane in
an airport...

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Tim

On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 10:22 PM, Skeeve Stevens
mailto:skeeve%2bjuniper...@eintellegonetworks.com>> wrote:
> I agree... it is quite rude and seems to be just a push for cash
> considering what basic features these are.
>
>
> ...Skeeve
>
> *Skeeve Stevens - *eintellego Networks Pty Ltd
> ske...@eintellegonetworks.com
<mailto:ske...@eintellegonetworks.com> ;
www.eintellegonetworks.com <http://www.eintellegonetworks.com>
>
> Phone: 1300 239 038; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383
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>
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<http://facebook.com/eintellegonetworks> ; 
<http://twitter.com/networkceoau>

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>
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>
> On 8 November 2014 12:26, Robin Williams
mailto:robin.willi...@tnp.net.uk>>
wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> We currently make some use of the MPLS CCC functionality of
EX3200 and
>> EX4200 switches with the AFL, but note that their
replacements EX3300 and
>> EX4300 don't have any MPLS support.  Does anyone know if
this is a
>> temporary lack of support while the box is being developed
further, or is
>> there no plans no bring this support back in the new
products?  I don't
>> like the way the EX3300 is being touted as the replacement
for the EX3200
>> but the feature set has entirely changed.
>>
>> I also think it's a bit rich that you now need an EFL
license for things
>> like OSPF support, where you didn't previously, and for the
AFL features

[j-nsp] EX3300/4300 Switch MPLS CCC Support

[Robin Williams]

Hi all,

We currently make some use of the MPLS CCC functionality of EX3200 and 
EX4200 switches with the AFL, but note that their replacements EX3300 
and EX4300 don't have any MPLS support.  Does anyone know if this is a 
temporary lack of support while the box is being developed further, or 
is there no plans no bring this support back in the new products?  I 
don't like the way the EX3300 is being touted as the replacement for the 
EX3200 but the feature set has entirely changed.


I also think it's a bit rich that you now need an EFL license for things 
like OSPF support, where you didn't previously, and for the AFL features 
such as BGP, you now need both an EFL *AND* and AFL where you previously 
only needed an AFL.


Would be interested to hear other opinions on this, to me it all seems 
like a bit of a silly move on the part of Juniper and a gift to Cisco.


Regards,
Robin.
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[uknof] Link from Synergy to Kilburn (Manchester)

[Robin Williams]

Does anyone have options for 1G between Synergy & Kilburn (ideally dark 
fibre/a wavelength, but Ethernet if necessary) in Manchester?


Thanks,
Robin

Re: [uknof] TTB QoS

[Robin Williams]

Thanks for your replies.

Holy cow, that's really quite shocking for a national EFM wholesaler 
IMHO - I thought it was just me that hadn't found the right person to 
speak to...


We have Junipers at both ends in most cases, so yes, we could do as they 
suggest and do some rate-based reservation, but I said the same to the 
guy - the sync speed changes over time, or a line could drop out for a 
bit so the speed is variable, and they don't provide any interface 
except manually via support to determine sync speed.  At least with NGA 
FTTC/P, differentiated queueing is part of the Openreach spec, so I 
assume that'll 'just work' provided they don't strip any tags.


Doing reservation on our kit (bearing in mind we'd need to do it at the 
interconnect end as well for each individual customer vlan for 
inbound/return traffic) seems like an awfully complicated workaround to 
what should be a very simple (and pretty industry standard?) thing to 
enable on the TalkTalk kit..


Cheers,
Robin



On 06/08/14 14:24, Peter Knapp wrote:

Hi.

I asked just the same question not that long ago and received the same answer - 
they don't.

That left us stuck with MPLS over the top or rate based reservation (which is 
pretty shady on EFM given the sync speeds varying)

Peter Knapp
  



-Original Message-
From: uknof [mailto:uknof-boun...@lists.uknof.org.uk] On Behalf Of Robin 
Williams
Sent: 06 August 2014 14:17
To: uknof@lists.uknof.org.uk
Subject: [uknof] TTB QoS

Anyone on list know how TTB wholesale deals with QoS?  It's not mentioned in 
the product handbooks that I have.

On some links (EFM in-particular) we're tagging EF DSCP on voice traffic in 
both directions (towards the CPE and at the interconnects), but still 
experiencing jitter/loss on occasion (when the access circuit is maxed).  On 
asking tech support/acct managers/product specialists/TTB escalations, they're 
all telling me that there is no QoS provision on standard TTB L2 services.  I 
find it hard to believe, if they really aren't doing any differentiated 
queueing on EFM circuits based on DSCP/COS values, that no one else has 
experienced quality of service issues when converging voice and data?  I know 
they use RAD CPEs for EFM, but the Hatteras/Actelis kit that I've used in the 
past come with a standard CoS profile by default so it's simples.  I'm not 
asking for marking or anything clever, just some differentiated queueing on the 
lowest bandwidth link in the chain?  Am I crazy?

Cheers,
Robin.

[uknof] TTB QoS

[Robin Williams]

Anyone on list know how TTB wholesale deals with QoS?  It's not 
mentioned in the product handbooks that I have.


On some links (EFM in-particular) we're tagging EF DSCP on voice traffic 
in both directions (towards the CPE and at the interconnects), but still 
experiencing jitter/loss on occasion (when the access circuit is 
maxed).  On asking tech support/acct managers/product specialists/TTB 
escalations, they're all telling me that there is no QoS provision on 
standard TTB L2 services.  I find it hard to believe, if they really 
aren't doing any differentiated queueing on EFM circuits based on 
DSCP/COS values, that no one else has experienced quality of service 
issues when converging voice and data?  I know they use RAD CPEs for 
EFM, but the Hatteras/Actelis kit that I've used in the past come with a 
standard CoS profile by default so it's simples.  I'm not asking for 
marking or anything clever, just some differentiated queueing on the 
lowest bandwidth link in the chain?  Am I crazy?


Cheers,
Robin.

[PacketFence-users] Captive portal NAT source

[Robin Williams]

Assuming a PF box has two upstream IP addresses (with different upstream 
access profiles/filtering), is there any way to assign different captive 
portal users or roles a different PF upstream interface to NAT traffic 
on to?

Thanks,
Rob.


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Re: [PacketFence-users] Apple device captive portal & context switching

[Robin Williams]

Just an update on this one;

I found out that the problem here was that the Apple devices were 
opening a separate browser session as part of the 'joining a wlan' 
dialogue box, if they detected that there was a captive portal in the 
way.  When the user exited the browser to retrieve the registration text 
message code, the phone assumed that the user had given up connecting 
and completely closed the browser and worse, disconnected from the wlan, 
thus causing the user to start registration over again from the 
beginning.  Not ideal.

As a work around I've added passthroughs for what seems like the most 
common apple URLs which it uses to detect an Internet connection (there 
may be more).  This avoids the browser opening automatically when 
joining a wlan and just allows the wlan to connect normally, and instead 
allows the user to open safari themselves and go through the process 
properly.

[passthroughs]
.
30=http://www.apple.com
31=http://captive.apple.com
32=http://www.appleiphonecell.com
33=http://www.airport.us
34=http://www.ibook.info
35=http://www.itools.info
36=http://www.thinkdifferent.us
...


Would be interested if anyone else has had any experience of this issue 
and whether it's something that is integrated by default into PF in 
version 4?  Apparently there is a specific user agent used by Apple 
devices when detecting connectivity 'user-agent: 
CaptiveNetworkSupport/1.0 wispr', which in theory could just be allowed 
through, but I couldn't think of a way of PF supporting that without 
changing PF code (and I guess it's a bit of a security issue as it'd 
allow people to spoof a user agent to bypass the captive portal 
registration).

If the passthroughs supported a regex expression, you could also do all 
of the URLs in one go as they all look for "/library/test/success.html " 
regardless of the URL, but I don't think PF supports this either?

Thanks,
Robin.




On 17/04/14 13:52, Robin Williams wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> We have some users using captive-portal via SMS authentication.
>
> I don't know if it's a recent apple update, but it seems in the user 
> switching to their text message app to get their registration code (if 
> they don't just get it from the notifications bar) and then switching 
> back to the browser, the browser session is restarted as if the 
> browser has been closed and re-opened.  The net effect being that the 
> registration process starts over before they get to put their 
> registration code in.  Is there any way around this by remembering the 
> user MAC rather than using cookies, as presumably it does at the moment?
>
> Does a newer version address this, as we're still back on a 4.x revision?
>
> Thanks for any suggestions, maybe I'm missing an option?
>
> Robin
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[PacketFence-users] Apple device captive portal & context switching

[Robin Williams]

Hi all,

We have some users using captive-portal via SMS authentication.

I don't know if it's a recent apple update, but it seems in the user 
switching to their text message app to get their registration code (if 
they don't just get it from the notifications bar) and then switching 
back to the browser, the browser session is restarted as if the browser 
has been closed and re-opened.  The net effect being that the 
registration process starts over before they get to put their 
registration code in.  Is there any way around this by remembering the 
user MAC rather than using cookies, as presumably it does at the moment?

Does a newer version address this, as we're still back on a 4.x revision?

Thanks for any suggestions, maybe I'm missing an option?

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Re: [uknof] DNS/NTP , a solution !

[Robin Williams]

On 13/02/14 17:14, Keith Mitchell wrote:

On 02/12/2014 06:37 PM, Wright, Matthew wrote:

List of open NTP servers from http://openntpproject.org/

Also http://www.openresolverproject.org

But it's not just about NTP and DNS, pretty much any UDP-based service
that can do amplification is in play, e.g SNMP, Chargen and I've even
seen "QOTD" (UDP 19).





Yep, one that hit us the other week was UDP Chargen. After seeing the 
source port in flows, I tried a few of them on TCP 19 as well, and to my 
surprise, there it was.  And there was me thinking Chargen was a thing 
of the 80's!


It'd be nice to be able to automatically pull the full lists from these 
various scanning projects to use in statistical analysis as part of DDoS 
mitigation (i.e. if my traffic has just shot up and the majority of it 
is coming from IPs listed in these databases, I can take a pretty fair 
bet at what's happening and start to rate limit or temporarily block 
these sources).  Anyone know if there is an interface for automated 
downloading of the raw data? Is anyone involved in these projects on 
list?  It looks like you can request the data manually at the moment.


It'd also be good to discuss merging data from these projects into an 
upstream 'open-generalbadstuff-project'.


Cheers,
Robin

Re: [uknof] DNS/NTP , a solution !

[Robin Williams]

Hi Thomas,

Interesting timing - we've also been seeing a big increase in the same 
over the last few weeks, mainly targeting schools from automated  (& 
cheap!) online 'booter' services (presumably instigated by students who 
have had enough of their IT lessons). We've also been forced to script 
something similar to analyse flows each minute and advertise blackholes 
upstream in an automated fashion in order to react quicker.   I found 
that the complexity (and the bit I imagine the paid mitigation services 
spend a lot of their R&D on) is the 'analysis' part to reliably detect.  
I found it easy enough for some of the simple attacks hitting us 
though.   Our scripted version is very specific to the way we're set up 
so it wouldn't really translate elsewhere, but I'll be interested to 
take a look through your git repo. Alas, I'm no front-end/gui coder 
either :)


One thing I did think would be useful while I was doing this, was if 
there was an 'open' online IP address reputation database (similar to a 
spam reputation db) - I couldn't find one with a quick Google.  Seems to 
me it wouldn't take much for different providers all analysing flows to 
come up with a fairly reliable list of sources for some of this 
amplification attack traffic (provided the source isn't spoofed, which 
normally amplified stuff wouldn't be).  Having that list to use when 
determining whether a flow I'm analysing is a DDoS (to use as a 
weighting amongst other factors) would help a lot, and could maybe even 
be used to drop such traffic in the network based on source rather than 
blackholing destinations upstream, provided the network could take the 
hit (though getting into a bit of neutrality debate there I guess!)


Regards,
Robin.



On 12/02/14 19:05, Thomas Mangin wrote:

As I have been asked off-line quite a few times :

We wrote it to complement NFSEN. You can only search NFSEN once the data has 
been fully analysed.
It mean that most of the time you have to wait a few minutes.

We were seeing 15 mns DDOS, at least twice a day. By the time we had identified 
the DDOS pattern, it was off.
This is what prompted the creation of ExaDDOS. Just to be able to see what was 
happening in that time and react faster.

Thomas

On 12 Feb 2014, at 16:57, Thomas Mangin  
wrote:


Hello,

Because :
- Exa has been under attack way too much these last weeks
- We hate to have to deal with it

Because:
- Andrisoft seems cool but does not do FlowSpec
- Arbor is known for its price (and features)
- I am from Yorkshire (How much do you pay me to find bugs in your shinny 
application ?)

Because:
- We can ...
- And people can not be bothered to fix the problem at source !

I have been working on making our internal tool ( Thank you Daniel ) something 
which can be built on and released to the community.
The repository is here: https://github.com/Exa-Networks/exaddos

The code is not even one week old but it can :
- use SNMP to monitor your EBGP interfaces
- parse IPFIX to find your top speakers
- provide you the data in an HORRIBLE web page ( but all the rendering is 
client side, so feel free to fix that !)

Now I would love some help ... I am NOT a web designer who find Javascript easy 
(I can handle jquery and basic stuff but nice CSS is not my cup of tea), so it 
will not look nice unless someone else make it so.

I can provide the underlying data via JSON in whatever way one may need to 
allow :
- graphing of links
- allow to drill down on top speakers to find proto / ports information
- "one click" get rid of that DDOS for  

I did some of this stuff with ExaProxy so I am not totally useless but god 
knows it is not my strength !

So any help would be welcome, so I can go back on coding on BGP and not DDOS.

Thomas

PS: I created a G+ community ExaDDOS .. I will try to add a mailing list later 
on.

Re: [uknof] Openreach FibreChannel

[Robin Williams]

Hi Charlie,

Thanks for your message.

Unfortunately they're looking for native FC rather than FCoE and won't 
budge (which is making life harder).  As far as I can tell, OSA is about 
the only option.  I'm fairly used to the Ethernet offerings, but 
wondered if there is any specialised products geared towards Fibre 
Channel in the OR portfolio that I've not spotted.


Cheers,
Robin.




On 30/01/14 14:10, Charlie Boisseau wrote:

Robin,

We’re all patiently waiting for a 10G version of the EAD which would 
be perfect for FibreChannel Ethernet, however in the meantime you’re 
left with the OSA and the older WES product (which you can still buy 
in 2.5G and 10G form).  The OSA has huge install fees, and the WES has 
equally huge rental fees - but they’re much of a muchness in terms of 
cost.   The main benefit is of course an OSA can have additional 
wavelengths added in future at a comparatively low cost.


Cheers,

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Is anyone aware of an Openreach product that will support 
FibreChannel?  Is OSA the only way?


Thanks,
Robin.

[uknof] Openreach FibreChannel

[Robin Williams]

Is anyone aware of an Openreach product that will support FibreChannel?  
Is OSA the only way?


Thanks,
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Re: [uknof] Punch-down tool for BT LLU Tiecables

[Robin Williams]

On 15/11/13 16:01, Simon Lockhart wrote:

On Fri Nov 15, 2013 at 03:19:31PM +, Charlie Boisseau wrote:

It?s a bugger to find them.  I bought about every kind of tool until I had to 
take a photo of one from a BT engineer to compare it with the catalogue.  It?s 
called a Quante SID module insertion tool.

It looks like this:  
http://image.made-in-china.com/2f0j00nZfatYvIHhqN/Quante-Tool-Quante-Sid-C-Tool-Network-Tool-GL-5051-.jpg

You can get them from Comtec part number 770944 - around £25.

Charlie (and others),

Thanks - our engineer actually bought one of these thinking it was probably
the right one - but when he received it, he decided it wasn't going to work.
He's going to head back to the exchange on Monday to try it out...

Simon




Yep, that's the right tool for the handover frame in your own LLU rack.  
The tool BT use on the main frame is different, but that's not a frame 
you have to punch on...


Cheers,
Robin.

Re: [uknof] BTW FTTC VDSL Modem

[Robin Williams]

On 30/10/13 16:24, Steve Housego wrote:

Thanks Haroldo,

We knew it was possible to do this based on our earlier research and your 
config is pretty much what we envisaged, however my question was really aimed 
how to do it officialy so we maintain support from BT Wholesale.



I was going to say something similar.  I can just see the look of 
confusion on the face of the Openreach engineer when he turns up and the 
standard OR VDSL CPE isn't connected.  Whether it's a genuine product or 
not, it'll confuse them if it's not the standard.  Some OR engineers are 
only just getting used to MPFs!  I'd definitely vote for keeping it 
standard wherever possible to save hassle when it goes wrong.


Robin

Re: [uknof] CWDM kit...

[Robin Williams]

  
  
We've used a combination of MRV &
  Smartoptics with success for xWDM for some time.  Can probably dig
  out contacts if you like..
  
  Cheers,
  Robin.
  
  
  
  
  On 12/06/13 13:36, Sheryn, David wrote:


  
  
  
  
  
  
JAAMOI, what are
folks using for CWDM kit these days ?  We used Nortel last
time, which have been fine, but now that they are no more, I
was wondering what else the list might recommend?

 
TIA,
 
David
 
  


  

[PacketFence-users] Duplicate SMS being sent

[Robin Williams]

Hi guys,

Some users of our packetfence capitve portal have complained that 
they're receiving duplicate texts.  I've noticed this myself, a day or 
so after a registration I might receive a new confirmation pin, and then 
possibly a few days after that also, pretty random.  This doesn't fall 
inline with the expiration or any other pattern that I can see.  It's 
definitely a dupe being sent by packetfence, as I can see the new mail 
arrive on the mail server with a new pin and everything.

I'm using version 3.6.1 at present.  I couldn't find any existing bugs 
related to this.  Where's the best place to start looking where these 
are coming from?  I can't see any corresponding new registration 
attempts which fall inline with the text reception?

Thanks,
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Re: [uknof] are there any ISPs planning to offer FTTC circuit bonding?

[Robin Williams]

On 14/05/13 23:47, Brandon Butterworth wrote:

I see a lot of operators are already selling FTTC
as "uncontended"

I've only noticed unlimited.


Googling FTTC and uncontended definitely yields results!




Can FTTC really be claimed as uncontended when

People stopped implementing a specific cotnention long
ago and at BTs backhaul rates why would they contend you,
there's money to be made on letting it flow and each of
you pay.




I was referring specifically to GEA where the FTTC circuits are handed 
over to the LLU operator in the local exchange rather than the use of a 
wholesaler to deliver the circuit back to you centrally.


In my mind, in the case of using a wholesaler, you have even less 
visibility over how contention is provisioned on the wholesalers network 
(e.g. you have no monitoring of internal circuit usage or ability to 
force circuit bandwidth upgrades on the wholesaler where required - 
you're relying on them to do that for you).






operators have zero control or monitoring of the fibre circuit from the
exchange to the cabinet (which is only going to become more congested
over time)?

I don't see why that would congst while they are charging
a profitable rate, many times global transit rates which others
seem able to sustain. Seems like they'll just build a bigger
network.




In the vast majority of cases there will only be a single 1G circuit 
(PON on the back end - congestion on that is another story!) feeding a 
cabinet. When that becomes congested, all bets are off. In fact, the NGA 
FTTC product description describes just that case:


SNIP---
Openreach has implemented a downstream Prioritisation Rate (PR) for each 
of our downstream product bandwidth variants. The PR is a speed to help 
us manage network capacity during peak times and acts like a variable 
speed limit where we will momentarily reduce any line that is working 
above the PR to ensure that everyone gets a share of bandwidth during 
that peak period. If an end user’s actual access line sync speed (the 
Peak Information Rate), is already below the prioritisation rate, their 
line will be unaffected by any momentary speed reduction that we apply. 
The two prioritisation rates that we have applied in the network:


Product Bandwidth | Variant Prioritisation Rate
Up to 40Mbit/s | 15Mbit/s
Up to 80Mbit/s | 30Mbit/s

If the network experiences congestion and needs to implement the 
prioritisation rate, we will discard any packets of traffic above the 
prioritisation rate. You can, if you wish, mark traffic coming into our 
network to help us determine the priority of traffic to drop in this 
scenario. There are two levels of priority, can drop, and should not 
drop. These are 802.1p markings and are described in SIN498.


FROM:
http://www.openreach.co.uk/orpg/customerzone/products/super-fastfibreaccess/fibretothecabinet/description/downloads/FTTC%20Product%20Description%20Issue%209.pdf

---/ SNIP


At least with an LLU install, I can put in EFM equipment into a BT 
exchange and backhaul it directly over my own network and know that I 
control all circuits end-to-end (and can thus monitor contention etc). I 
can't say that about FTTC and nor can anyone else as the backhaul to the 
cabinet is shared by design with no visibility to the network operators.


Cheers,
Robin.

Re: [uknof] are there any ISPs planning to offer FTTC circuit bonding?

[Robin Williams]

As a side note to this discussion (and vaguely related to FTTC as a 
replacement for EFM), I see a lot of operators are already selling FTTC 
as "uncontended".   Can FTTC really be claimed as uncontended when 
operators have zero control or monitoring of the fibre circuit from the 
exchange to the cabinet (which is only going to become more congested 
over time)? This is where I still feel EFM has a little advantage.


Cheers,
Robin.




On 13/05/13 18:02, Charlie Boisseau wrote:
I wonder if there's a way to do it at the Ethernet level (when buying 
GEA instead of via WBC/L2TP)?  Openreach handoff raw FTTx circuits to 
us as a VLAN on an interconnect in each exchange, and we get similar 
delivery on our interconnects with BTWholesale and TalkTalk for 
accessing exchanges we don't have a presence in ourselves.


This sounds really mucky; but has anyone thought of EVC bonding? 
 Something like a LAG but with VLANs instead of physical ports.  This 
could supersede the likes of EFM if done right.


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On 11 May 2013, at 15:26, Ben King > wrote:



We will offering it at a DSLAM level on all of our SLU cabinets shortly.

Sent from my iPhone

On 11 May 2013, at 22:05, Paul Mansfield > wrote:



are there any ISPs planning to offer FTTC circuit bonding?

I would guess that if they can already do it with ADSL/ADSL2+ then it
must be possible with FTTC?

[exim] Exim rate limit by receiver address

[Robin Williams]

Hoping someone can shed some light.

I want to configure an ACL to rate limit incoming emails (from 
localhost) on a per receiver address basis (so localhost can only send, 
say, 5 emails to specificaddr...@example.com per day).


I believe I can achieve this with a 'ratelimit' acl, something like:

warn  (*eventually will be deny)
  ratelimit = 5 / 1d / per_rcpt / strict / $sender_address
  log_message = SENDER RATE: $sender_rate

Am I correct in this assertion?  When I've tried to apply this config to 
my ACL file I'm not noticing anything being logged.  Could this be 
related to me sending from localhost rather than another host?


Thanks for any help anyone can offer,

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Re: [PacketFence-users] Problems with the redirect URL in inline mode

[Robin Williams]

Hi Russ,

I've recently experienced the same thing (always redirects regardless of 
always_use_redirecturl=disabled).  I thought it might just be me and my 
config, but hearing someone else say the same thing, it might be worth 
registering this as a bug report.

Cheers,
Robin.



On 28/02/13 17:57, st3fan0 ste wrote:
> pls attack also your pf.conf how do you enable redirection method?
>
> Best Regards, Stefano.
> 
>
> 
> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 13:29:00 -0800
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> Subject: [PacketFence-users] Problems with the redirect URL in inline mode
>
> I've got my PF server set up and everything seems to be working the 
> way I want it to except this one thing. When someone successfully 
> registers with the captive portal I expect it to redirect them to 
> whatever URL they were originally trying to access when they were 
> redirected to the portal. Instead it redirects them to the URL set in 
> the redirecturl option. I have always_use_redirecturl set to disabled. 
> Is there some other setting that I'm missing that's causing this? 
> Anyone have any ideas why it's doing this? Here's the trapping section 
> from my pf.conf.
>
> [trapping]
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> detection=disabled
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> range=172.16.0.0/24 
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Re: [uknof] 2013 Submarine Cable Map

[Robin Williams]

On 03/02/13 23:05, James A. T. Rice wrote:

On Sun, 3 Feb 2013, Fredy Kuenzler wrote:

Add $65 shipping cost. I ordered one, since the downloadable .jpg on 
A3 color printer looks rather ugly... #NocArt


Not advocating not paying for one, but if you have a desire for a much 
higher res than than the fairly small printed chart they send out:


for i in {0..63} ; do for j in {0..63} ; do wget -O map-$i-$j.png 
http://b.tiles.telegeography.com/maps/submarine-cable-map-2013/6/$i/$j.png 
; done ; done






Ha,

When I saw the tiled version I was waiting to see how long it'd take for 
someone to do this... should have started the stop watch, it was quicker 
than I thought!


Robin.

Re: [uknof] EFM DSLAM recommendations/costs

[Robin Williams]

+1 for Hatteras (now Overture) from me.

We conducted pretty extensive lab and real-world deployment trials of 
Hatteras, Actelis & Zhone EFM kit and Hatteras came out on top in most 
areas (disclaimer, this was a couple of years ago and I've not 
re-trailed since).  Nice stacking features - copper pairs can load 
balance across different stack members for redundancy.  
Auto-provisioning is nice and easy.  CLI is fairly Cisco-esqe and easy 
to merge into a rancid style backup situation, and there is also a 
decent web-frontend when it's needed.  Actelis, at least when we 
trialled it, relied on a piece of Windows software primarily which could 
be frustrating but the kit itself was solid (has this changed?)


Similar to Ben we also found that the Zhone CLI could be frustrating, 
but worth noting that the right Zhone chassis can be deployed as more of 
an MSAN with EFM/ADSL cards in the same chassis so depends on your 
requirements.


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On 25/01/13 14:38, Charlie Boisseau wrote:

Ben,

We're not doing ADSL, but we are in the process of rolling out 
(proper) EFM services.  We're using the very excellent Hatteras (now 
Overture Networks) HN4000 units.  They individual units have 40 pairs 
each, however they stack together; up to 5 units per stack (200 pairs).


They do some really nice stuff like E-LAN and E-TREE across different 
pair bonding groups as well as the usual E-LINE type setup.  This 
allows you to do localised L2VPNs from a single exchange without using 
resources on a VPLS or similar type aggregation device.


The kit is really solid - I'd recommend it.  Way better than the RAD 
boxes you get given with TTB circuits, and even better than 
the Actellis EFM equipment, which was our second choice.  Overture 
have a really decent presales team too.  They loaned us kit for ages 
to play with, as well as sending their UK technical guys up to see us 
for a full day of demos.


Let me know if you need a contact at Overture.

If anyone else has experience with ADSL/VDSL DSLAMs - I'd be 
interested to hear your thoughts on what's available.  We're looking 
at doing a sub-loop unbundling project - so it needs to be hardened; 
living in a street-side cabinet in the cold Scottish weather!!


Thanks,

Charlie

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On 25 Jan 2013, at 13:27, Ben Ward <mailto:b...@crouchingbadger.com>> wrote:



Hi again all,

Apologies for those who I missed by not going to UKNOF last week. 
Since the baby arrived life has become more small smells than small 
cells. Anyway, after such a great response to my LNS/L2TP questions 
last time, I thought I'd ask people's opinions on DSLAMs.


I'm looking for low-cost, fairly dumb ADSL/EFM DSLAMs, data only, 
capable of user-side VLANs.  Some of the 24-port 1u devices look 
suitable, but I'd be interested in chassis too.


We have a number of Zhone MXK319s already deployed. The early days of 
deploying them were rage-filled with an inconsistent cli, off-by-one 
bugs and their occasionally forgetting how to do switching, but as 
long as you don't touch them them they just sit there.


Any suggestions appreciated.

Thanks
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[PacketFence-users] Default captive-portal page

[Robin Williams]

Hi all,

Is there a config file supported way of changing the default captive 
portal page from /login.html to /signup.html so they jump straight to 
the signup process?

Thanks,
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Re: [PacketFence-users] Logging IP of client

[Robin Williams]

Many thanks Fabrice.

Any news on when the nightly builds will be available for 4.0?

Thanks,
Robin


On 13/12/12 13:29, Durand Fabrice wrote:
> Hello Robin,
> Wait for PacketFence 4.0 , it should be possible.
>
> Regards
> Fabrice
>
> Le 2012-12-13 07:14, Robin Williams a écrit :
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Does anyone know if it's possible to log the client IP as well as the 
>> mac when in inline mode, so that it's visible in the admin interface 
>> for audit purposes? I can pull this info from the dhcp logs, but it'd 
>> be nice for other users if it was accessible from the GUI. I haven't 
>> yet found an option in the conf files.
>>
>> Thanks for any advice,
>> Robin.
>>
>>


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[PacketFence-users] Logging IP of client

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Hi all,

Does anyone know if it's possible to log the client IP as well as the mac
when in inline mode, so that it's visible in the admin interface for audit
purposes? I can pull this info from the dhcp logs, but it'd be nice for
other users if it was accessible from the GUI. I haven't yet found an
option in the conf files.

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Re: [PacketFence-users] Allowing some sites past captiveportal

[Robin Williams]

I am using inline mode (because of the complexities of the network set 
up behind the box), and you get a warning, but this does seem to work.


Does anyone know what the warning relates to specifically and why it's 
not a supported operating mode?


Thanks,
Robin.


On 12/12/12 14:33, Morris, Andi wrote:


This is already built in to packetfence.  In the pf.conf file you need 
to set the passthrough mode to proxy within the [trapping] section:


[trapping]

passthrough=proxy

Then create a section for the pages that you want to allow through the 
captive portal:


[passthroughs]

Microsoft=http://www.microsoft.com/

Facebook=http://www.facebook.com/

The part before the equals sign is just a reference for yourself and 
can be anything.  It used to be the case that the forward slash was 
required after the URL, but I think this was a bug fixed in later 
versions.


Cheers,

Andi

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*Subject:* Re: [PacketFence-users] Allowing some sites past captiveportal

might it be possible to add ip of external resources in iptable config 
as explained for Facebook authentication?


> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 14:36:03 +0100
> From: bena...@labs.it <mailto:bena...@labs.it>
> To: packetfence-users@lists.sourceforge.net 
<mailto:packetfence-users@lists.sourceforge.net>

> Subject: Re: [PacketFence-users] Allowing some sites past captiveportal
>
> On 12/12/2012 13:01, Robin Williams wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Is there an easy/supported way of allowing certain websites to bypass
> > the captive portal login/signup?
>
> Have you tryed the "pass-through" feature?
> From website:
> "Pass-Through
>
> PacketFence can be configured to allow access to specified resources
> even when the node is in isolation. This allows you to give access to
> specific tools or patches through the captive portal"
>
> Bye,
> Luca
>
>
>
>
> At the moment I'm hacking them into
> > the httpd config as a proxy host, but it's not nice:
> >
> > 
> > ServerName www.example.com <http://www.example.com>
> > ProxyPassReverse / http://www.example.com/
> > ProxyPass / http://www.example.com/
> > 
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Robin.
> >
> >



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[PacketFence-users] Allowing some sites past captiveportal

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Hi all,

Is there an easy/supported way of allowing certain websites to bypass 
the captive portal login/signup?  At the moment I'm hacking them into 
the httpd config as a proxy host, but it's not nice:


ServerName www.example.com
ProxyPassReverse / http://www.example.com/
ProxyPass / http://www.example.com/


Thanks,
Robin.


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[PacketFence-users] Captiveportal SMS/GSM modem

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Hi there,

Has anyone ever configured packetfence to send SMS messages directly to a
GSM modem for direct sending via a linux package such as SMSTOOLS rather
than sending SMS via email, which doesn't seem too effective (many
operators don't support this here)?

Many thanks,
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[Bug 1007457] Re: Bogus FPE on underflow for exp(double)

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Fix is **not** released for Precise.

My apologies, I clicked on a link and didn't realize it would make any
change (let alone an irrevocable one).  Trac is more forgiving...

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[Bug 1007457] Re: Bogus FPE on underflow for exp(double)

[Robin Williams]

** Changed in: eglibc (Ubuntu Precise)
   Status: Fix Committed => Fix Released

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[Bug 1007457] Re: Bogus FPE on underflow for exp(double)

[Robin Williams]

Attached patch from upstream

** Attachment added: "Patch from glibs"
   
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eglibc/+bug/1007457/+attachment/3214711/+files/exp_wrapper_patch

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[rt-users] Scrip - merge custom fields

[Robin Williams]

Hi all,

I'm wondering if anyone has previously written a scrip to merge the 
custom fields of two or more tickets when tickets are merged?  I'm using 
"enter multiple values", but any of the multi-value custom field types 
would be a good start for me to modify.  I see there is an example of an 
'on merge' condition detailed here 
http://wiki.bestpractical.com/view/OnMerge which presumably I'd need to 
use to call the scrip, if I'm not mistaken?


Thanks for any pointers anyone can offer - if no one has already done 
it, I better start brushing up on my perl!

Robin.

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Re: [rt-users] Merge tickets, transaction notification and REST

[Robin Williams]

Hi Kenneth,

When you say the links table has that info - are you saying that a 
direct DB call is necessary, or can the links table info be got at via 
REST?  When I tried I couldn't determine the necessary REST syntax.  
Sorry to thread hijack, but I'm trying to achieve something similar to 
Keith!


Thanks,
Robin.


Kenneth Crocker wrote:

Kieth,

The LINKS Table will have that info. Type is "MergedInto".

Kenn
LBNL

On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 4:28 PM, Kenneth Crocker > wrote:


Kieth,

The LINKS Table will have that info. Type is "MergedInto".

Kenn
LBNL


On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Keith Edmunds
mailto:k...@midnighthax.com>> wrote:

Is it not possible to detect which ticket is being merged?

> We have a scrip that runs "On Transaction" and calls an
external script,
> passing the ticket id. We want to take actions in the
external script
> when a ticket is merged. If we merge, say, ticket 100 into
ticket 200,
> the ticket id passed to our external script is 200. How can
we find out,
> via the REST interface, the ticket id that was merged (100
in this
> example)?
>
> Frustratingly, going the other way is easy - if we retrieve
ticket
> information for 100 via the REST interface, ticket 200 is
retrieved.
>
> If it helps, here's our scrip (we are not Perl wizards,
which may be
> stating the obvious when you see the code below: all
criticism gratefully
> received):
>
> my $tx = $self->TransactionObj;
> my $ticket = $self->TicketObj;
> my $id = $ticket->id;
> my $type = $tx->Type;
> my $field = $tx->Field;
> my $old = $tx->OldValue;
> my $new = $tx->NewValue;
>
> system("wget
>

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[R] Using if, else statements

[Robin Williams]

Hi all, 

Again I have searched the net and so on, without finding an answer to this
surely simple problem. A short bit of code would be appreciated. 

  I have a object named `data' with the following column headings.

Date, maxitemp, minitemp, admissions, d.o.w.

Where d.o.w. is day of the week, written "Sun" "Mon" etc.

  I just need to scale the Monday admissions by 0.91, the Saturday
admissions by 1.21 and the Sunday admissions by 1.22. So basically what I
want is:

If d.o.w. == "Sat" 

Multiply Sat admissions by 1.21.

(Now do I need an else statement here, or can I just do another)

If d.o.w. == "Sun" 

Multiply "Sun" admissions by 1.22

(and finally)

If d.o.w. == "Mon" 

Multiply Monday admissions by 0.91. 

Else do nothing. 

  I assume in my code I need to specify that I am using the data.frame
`data', so do I need to write things like 

If(data[d.o.w.]=="Mon")  

  I would then like to round the new admissions to integers (I assume I just
use round(data$admissions)), and output the new data to another csv file. 

  I could of course do this in excel but I will need to extend this type of
idea in the future so I would like to master it in R. 

Many thanks for any help/code.

Robin Williams.  


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Re: [BRLTTY] Brl and TeX

[Robin Williams]

Jan, 
Have a look at 
http://latex-access.sourceforge.net 
  The hope is, at some point, to implement this in to brltty in some form.  

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Hello,

Have some experiences with TeX/Latex?
And some conversion between Brl and TeX.
There some textbooks in TeX on the net.
Of course it is readable by itself,TeX is linear and very similat to Brl but

have a version in
Brl is good.
I mean mostly scientific texts.
Or should write something by myself?

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[Bnannounce] Fw: KS 7.2 PK Announcement

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Dear Customers,


We are pleased that KeySoft 7.2 has released today but have just learned of
a minor issue for the BrailleNote PK model only.  BrailleNote mPower and
BrailleNote Classic models are not effected.

After installing KeySoft 7.2 on the BrailleNote PK, some customers have
reported the joystick control may not  function for navigating through
menus or within a document.

The KeySoft development team is investigating this issue and will provide a
fix as quickly as possible.

In the interim, all other existing navigation methods such as the space-bar
and the braille display navigation keys, as well as all keyboard commands
will allow for navigation through menus and documents as normal.

We apologize for any inconvenience.  In the meantime, enjoy all the
exciting new features such as Daisy support and we will inform you as soon
as a solution becomes available..

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Dear Customers,


We are pleased that KeySoft 7.2 has released today but have just learned of
a minor issue for the BrailleNote PK model only.  BrailleNote mPower and
BrailleNote Classic models are not effected.

After installing KeySoft 7.2 on the BrailleNote PK, some customers have
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The KeySoft development team is investigating this issue and will provide a
fix as quickly as possible.

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and the braille display navigation keys, as well as all keyboard commands
will allow for navigation through menus and documents as normal.

We apologize for any inconvenience, and will communicate the details of the
fix when it becomes available.

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Bug#356039: rgb.txt causing problems

[Robin Williams]

Michel Dänzer wrote:

On Mon, 2006-07-17 at 13:30 +0100, Robin Williams wrote:

(**) RgbPath set to "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb"


Try removing the RgbPath line from xorg.conf.




Hmm yep thanks that works, but I guess the question is, did I pick up 
that line from the install/upgrade or from elsewhere (aticonfig or similar)?

Bug#356039: rgb.txt causing problems

[Robin Williams]

Michel Dänzer wrote:

On Mon, 2006-07-17 at 13:30 +0100, Robin Williams wrote:

(**) RgbPath set to "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb"


Try removing the RgbPath line from xorg.conf.




Hmm yep thanks that works, but I guess the question is, did I pick up 
that line from the install/upgrade or from elsewhere (aticonfig or similar)?

Bug#356039: rgb.txt causing problems

[Robin Williams]

Michel Dänzer wrote:

On Tue, 2006-07-04 at 09:23 +0100, Robin Williams wrote:

Creating a legacy symlink in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb.txt to /etc/X11/rgb.txt
fixed the problem though.  Confusing though since this report has been closed,
can the symlink be added to the package or is this not the underlying problem?


The symlink definitely shouldn't be needed. What does

grep RgbPath /var/log/Xorg.0.log

say?




~$ grep RgbPath /var/log/Xorg.0.log
(**) RgbPath set to "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb"
~$

This was a clean stable install that was upgraded to unstable with apt - 
maybe that path has hung around from stable?

Bug#356039: rgb.txt causing problems

[Robin Williams]

Michel Dänzer wrote:

On Tue, 2006-07-04 at 09:23 +0100, Robin Williams wrote:

Creating a legacy symlink in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb.txt to /etc/X11/rgb.txt
fixed the problem though.  Confusing though since this report has been closed,
can the symlink be added to the package or is this not the underlying problem?


The symlink definitely shouldn't be needed. What does

grep RgbPath /var/log/Xorg.0.log

say?




~$ grep RgbPath /var/log/Xorg.0.log
(**) RgbPath set to "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb"
~$

This was a clean stable install that was upgraded to unstable with apt - 
maybe that path has hung around from stable?

Bug#356039: rgb.txt causing problems

[Robin Williams]

Having just installed xserver-xorg with fluxbox, colours were displayed
incorrectly and some applications were having trouble finding colours (same as
above, cannot find black etc).

Creating a legacy symlink in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb.txt to /etc/X11/rgb.txt
fixed the problem though.  Confusing though since this report has been closed,
can the symlink be added to the package or is this not the underlying problem?


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Having just installed xserver-xorg with fluxbox, colours were displayed
incorrectly and some applications were having trouble finding colours (same as
above, cannot find black etc).

Creating a legacy symlink in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb.txt to /etc/X11/rgb.txt
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Bug#368653: [Fwd: Re: Bug#368653: Package: libpam-mysql: passwd bug report]

[Robin Williams]

As far as I am aware it is correct, all are specified as table.column..
I even did an apt-get remove --purge and reinstalled with new config
files, re-filling in the appropriate variables to make sure the config
files hadn't changed too much.  The /etc/nss-mysql.* files, I kept all
the defaults and simply changed the password (as all my settings are
default).  The /etc/pam.d files I kept the same, and they all look
similar to:

password   sufficient   pam_unix.so nullok obscure min=4 max=8 md5
password   required pam_mysql.so nullok ignore_root user=nss-shadow
passwd=mypass db=nss_mysql usercolumn=user.user_name crypt=1 try_first_pass

Further than this, I'm unsure what else to try out.  Maybe I am missing
something.  I admit I am not an expert on libpam..


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Bug#368653: Package: libpam-mysql: passwd bug report

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Package: libpam-mysql
Version: 0.6.2-1

After upgrading to the latest libpam-mysql package in unstable, it 
stopped working.  Replacing the pam_mysql.so file in /lib/security with 
a version from stable (0.5.0-6) makes it work again.


Logging in as a previously configured user still works, but when issuing 
the passwd command as root, the following is returned:


# passwd testuser
passwd: Failed preliminary check by password service
passwd: password unchanged

The auth.log, shows:
---
May 23 21:19:52 testserver passwd[30830]: pam_mysql - MySQL error (You 
have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to 
your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'FROM  WHERE 
user.user_name = 'testuser'' at line 1)

---

and the mysql.log shows:
---
Connect   [EMAIL PROTECTED] on nss_mysql
Init DB   nss_mysql
Query SELECT 0,  FROM  WHERE user.user_name = 'testuser'
---

^ which is clearly an erroneous mysql query.  I have no idea what causes 
this, and as I say, reverting to the stable library fixes the problem. 
Will gladly supply any further information required.


Thanks,
Rob.



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Re: List generation (was Re: PDL-P: No status field for Perl6 RFC 115 )

[Robin Williams]

"Jeremy Howard" writes:-

> Yes, I like it too, but the problem is that $end may not be reached:
> 
>   @weird = (0..5: ^0 mod 2);
> 
> is an infinite loop under this proposal. That's not necessarily a dead-end,
> but it seems pretty dangerous. 

Like for (;;) ?  Or 1:11:-1 !

> The $num_steps proposal could be a lot faster
> too, because a fast loop could be generated (particularly if we define some
> functions that are easily optimised, like ufuncs in Numeric Python):
> 
>   http://starship.python.net/~da/numtut/array.html#SEC13

Yes, I agree that $num_steps is needed somewhere, and should at least
be flagged in the `efficiency' section of the Camel.  I just don't
like $start..&gen:$num_steps, unless 1..11:2 gives (1,11) not
(1,3,5,7,9,11)...but would rather 1..11:2 gave (1,3,5,7,9,11)...

Recursion is also a performance hit, of course, if you're ever likely
to want only the 1000th element of the Fibonnacci series, etc.

> > @start : &test : &inc

> Yes, when I had the $end notation, I was planning to provide an &test syntax
> too--I think if you had one you'd want both. BTW, the element number is
> always available as the first argument to the list generation function.

Maybe easily optimized &test-s could implement $num_steps...?
 
> > o Or even
> > 2 x 10 : &gen
> > -- at least, I'd _expect_ to get 10 things here!  2x10 <=> 2..sub{0}:10
> > as TMTOWTDI seems a tad curious, on reflection.
> >
> Hmmm... an interesting one. Starting to look more Perlish and less
> Matlabish, which may be a good or a bad thing depending on where you're
> coming from...

A desire for `analogic' is probably a form of laziness, at least ;-)
[...but I meant to keep the matlabish $start:$end:&gen as well!]

Robin

Re: List generation (was Re: PDL-P: No status field for Perl6 RFC 115 )

[Robin Williams]

"Jeremy Howard" writes:-

> Yes, I like it too, but the problem is that $end may not be reached:
> 
>   @weird = (0..5: ^0 mod 2);
> 
> is an infinite loop under this proposal. That's not necessarily a dead-end,
> but it seems pretty dangerous. 

Like for (;;) ?  Or 1:11:-1 !

> The $num_steps proposal could be a lot faster
> too, because a fast loop could be generated (particularly if we define some
> functions that are easily optimised, like ufuncs in Numeric Python):
> 
>   http://starship.python.net/~da/numtut/array.html#SEC13

Yes, I agree that $num_steps is needed somewhere, and should at least
be flagged in the `efficiency' section of the Camel.  I just don't
like $start..&gen:$num_steps, unless 1..11:2 gives (1,11) not
(1,3,5,7,9,11)...but would rather 1..11:2 gave (1,3,5,7,9,11)...

Recursion is also a performance hit, of course, if you're ever likely
to want only the 1000th element of the Fibonnacci series, etc.

> > @start : &test : &inc

> Yes, when I had the $end notation, I was planning to provide an &test syntax
> too--I think if you had one you'd want both. BTW, the element number is
> always available as the first argument to the list generation function.

Maybe easily optimized &test-s could implement $num_steps...?
 
> > o Or even
> > 2 x 10 : &gen
> > -- at least, I'd _expect_ to get 10 things here!  2x10 <=> 2..sub{0}:10
> > as TMTOWTDI seems a tad curious, on reflection.
> >
> Hmmm... an interesting one. Starting to look more Perlish and less
> Matlabish, which may be a good or a bad thing depending on where you're
> coming from...

A desire for `analogic' is probably a form of laziness, at least ;-)
[...but I meant to keep the matlabish $start:$end:&gen as well!]

Robin