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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help please with 1858 Baptismal Record

2019-11-21 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

Some of your lines go back to the Camelos and therefore to Afonso III.
John

On Wednesday, November 20, 2019, 10:15:04 PM EST, Luis Arruda
wrote:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-B-1853-1860/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-B-1853-1860_item1/P92.html
Hello everyone,I am looking for assistance in deciphering what this baptismal
record contains.I can deduce that Manuel, (my great grandfather ) was the
legitimate son of Manuel de Souza Coelho and Antonio Jacintha. It appears he
was born on the 26th of February 1858 and baptized on the 13th ( or is 3rd ) of
March in the same year.
I need help with Manuel's paternal grandparents - are they Mathias De Souza
Coelho and Antonia De?. ( is that de Jesus?).His maternal grandparents are
Joao Pavao and ( who is the grandmother? ) I am unable to decipher her first or
last name.
Thanking everyone in advance.Luis ArrudaHamilton, ON

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Profession "Mestra de meninhos(as)"?

2019-11-15 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

 Depending on the time and place (e.g. Bretanha in 1850) state run public 
primary schools were few and far between. So, some people who had some primary 
schooling (e.g. 2nd grade level) would set up a private school in their homes 
and charged tuition. These "mestres" taught the basics, as best they could. 
When official examiners for the state made inspections, they often wrote 
scathing reports about these uncertified teachers whom they classified as 
barely literate. Miguel Soares da Silva's book As Escolas de Santo Antonio e 
Santa Barbara, Nova Grafica, Ponta Delgada: 2008 and "Os Remedios no Contexto 
da Bretanha" in Memoria e Identidade: Paroquia de Nossa Senhora dos Remedios, 
Nova Grafica, Ponta Delgada: 2006, are great references.
I hope this helps.
John Miranda Raposo


   On Friday, November 15, 2019, 3:18:51 PM EST, Ângela Loura 
 wrote:  
 
 I take this opportunity, since some of these terms come all the way from the 
middle ages, to share with you 2 volumes of a book containing the meaning of 
old portuguese words, called Elucidário, it may be useful: http://purl.pt/13944
Cheri Mello  escreveu no dia sexta, 15/11/2019 à(s) 20:10:

So, from an American point-of-view, she was the teacher (or person who mastered 
her craft) of home economics. Interesting terminology from back then,
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 12:07 PM Ângela Loura  wrote:

Mestra was the lady who teached the girls the crafts in order to be good 
housewives. Cooking, sewing, taking care of babies...
Margaret Vicente  escreveu no dia sexta, 15/11/2019 
à(s) 17:21:


“Mestra de Meninas” or currently spoken “Professora de meninas” means “School 
girls Teacher” in the 1800’s schools were segregated by sex.  Mixed classes did 
not exist back then.

 

Margaret v.

 

From: Cheri Mello
Sent: November 15, 2019 12:09 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Profession "Mestra de meninhos(as)"?

 

Hi Jessica,

 

Mestre (masculine) or mestra (feminine) means master. Professora is teacher 
(feminine).

 

You'd need to look for another "os" or "as" in the document to figure out if 
it's meninos or meninas. I kinda think it's meninas.

 

So what is a master of the girls? My understanding of a master is someone who 
has mastered something. It could be a trade as well as someone who went to 
school and mastered a subject. I believe the word is also used for a person who 
is in a leadership position as well. The native speakers can shed more light on 
this.

 

My complete wild guess (I've never seen this occupation) is that she's in 
charge of the girls' orphanage. She could also be something like a girls' 
principal. 

 

Native speakers, please let us know what you think!  Cheri

 

 

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

 

 

On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 9:01 AM JML  wrote:


Hi group!

 

For this marriage of Joaquim Machado de Lemos and Maria da Luz. It states that 
the bride's profession was that of a "mestra of children or just girls" I can't 
tell if it's an "as" or "os" for menin_ _. 

 

Does anyone have any knowledge about professions in the 1800's? How much 
schooling would have been acquired at that time to be a mestra? I'm assuming 
mestra means teacher.

 

This is the first profession I have found for a bride, other than "domestica" 
or "costureira" so I am quite intrigued. 

 

Thank you,

 

Jessica

 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-TERRACHA-C-1870-1879/TER-AH-TERRACHA-C-1870-1879_item1/P77.html

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Kopke surname/Azores?

2019-11-02 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

The Kopke family appears in Rodrigo Rodrigues as follows:

1 - MariaTeresa Leite Botelho de Teive, was born in the Parish of S. José de
PontaDelgada on 26.6.1857 and was married in Matriz de Ponta Delgada on 28 Jun
1874 toÁlvaro Kopke de Barbosa Ayala, anengineer, baptized in Cedofeita, Porto
son of Álvaro Kopke de Barbosa Ayala and Luzia Kopke.

They has:

2 - Joaquim Kopke de Barbosa Ayala, with a degreein law from the
University of Coimbra,and head of the secretariate of the City Hall of Lisbon,
where he died. Hemarried his cousin Serafina Leite do Carvalhal, daughter of
João Dias do Carvalhal da Silveira and hiswife Catarina Amélia Leite Botelho de
Teive (b. in S. José, Ponta Delgada, 14Sep 1867). Serafina Leite do Carvalhal,
was born on 2 Aug.1876 and died inLisboa in 1927. .

They had:

3 - MariaLuiza do Carvalhal Kopke, married in Lisboa.

2 - AntónioKopke de Barbosa Ayala, a customs official in Ponta Delgada died
single.

2 - LuziaKopke de Barbosa Ayala who married her cousin Manuel Kopke, (no
descendants)

I hope this helps.

Best regards,

John Miranda Raposo

On Saturday, November 2, 2019, 3:59:47 AM EDT, IslandRoutes
wrote:

My two cousins and I have DNA match who is researching the surnames Kopke
(Koepke) and Moniz. I was surprised that they had their Kopke ancestor from
Sao Miguel island.
I was sure this was a mistake. However, a little searching and I came across a
history of Nicolau Kopke of Germany who came to Portugal in the 1600s. From
this website, it appears there is a rich history in Portugal from that point
on. https://kopke1638.com/history/
I did some research and found references to Sao Miguel Island for her ancestor,
but no village. So, my guess is a branch of that Kopke family in Portugal made
their way to Sao Miguel. As she doesn't have a village, I was curious how
common the Kopke surname is on Sao Miguel? I haven't come across it before
until now. I am wondering if it is rare if it might be possible to pinpoint or
narrow down the village.

Has anyone heard of this surname before in relation to the Azores? We are
probably 4th or 5th cousins, but not my curiosity has been raised.

Thanks!

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Expostos left at the roda of the churches

2019-10-06 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

 I also found this in the archives:
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Naming of Expostos

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John Miranda Raposo

On Sunday, October 6, 2019, 10:32:34 AM EDT, 'Susan Murphy' via Azores 
Genealogy  wrote:  
 
 Thank you very much John! I think I read this years ago but itWas very good to 
read again and I will file in a place for safe keeping!
Susan Vargas Murphy 

On Oct 6, 2019, at 6:22 AM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:



 Here is the work on expostos by Eloise Cadinha. Some years ago she shared it 
with me and she also gave me permission to share it. It has been published on 
this list before. I know because I get e-mails from people who have found it 
and either want more information, want to express their surprise at how awful 
this situation was, and to express their appreciation for Eloise's hard work 
and erudition on this subject.
You will not find very much on this subject. Until recent times it was taboo 
just as slavery in the Azores is and as Jewish roots used to be. Times change, 
and what might have been an uncomfortable discussion 50 years ago is now open 
for discussion. I am waiting for some serious research on slavery in the Azores.
What follows is the work done by Eloise for whom I have much admiration and to 
whom I owe much for her sharing erudition.:

Most of us as weresearch our ancestors will find an expostoor two.  It is 
indeed miraculous that they were able to survive toadulthood, to marry and to 
have children. 


Expostos - a translation : A very sad situation.

EloiseCadinha

(The following is my poor translation/distillation of part of an articlewritten 
by Henrique Bras (1884-) in Boletimde Instituto Histórico da Ilha Terceira, 
1947.)

In the last threecenturies there is a long list of filhosda igreja (children of 
the church), also known at times in baptismalrecords in the parish registers of 
Terceira, as children of unknown fathers andmothers (filho(a) de pais 
incógnitos),who were often baptized with the most noble or notable or the very 
rich peopleof Terceira serving as godparents.  In more recent times the number 
ofchildren secretly abandoned at the rodas(wheels) had greatly increased, 
despite the many recently born innocents whodied when abandoned, and the few 
for whom the fear of discovery, still did notkeep them from being strangled 
before seeing the light of day.  Providingsupport for these children who 
survived became one of the most difficultproblems for the various city halls on 
the island, demanding a new specialtax...which the people agreed was needed but 
not without grumbling and findingfault with the new tax.  

On April 29, 1800, theConde de Almada, Captain General of the Azores in Angra, 
informed an officialof the Royal Court that in the last ten years the Cathedral 
had annually registeredthe baptism of an average of 97 expostosand also 
registered an average of 83 who had died!  And this number wasonly of those 
engeitados (abandonedones) who had arrived at the Cathedral to be baptized, 
those that had been leftin the Casa da Roda, and this numberwas only for Angra. 
 
The city councilcontinued without resources to provide for these children and 
thought aboutcreating a lottery for that purpose.  

It needs to be said:with a population of about 10 to 12 thousand people, there 
were yearly on anaverage 97 newborn abandoned children of unknown parents, 
legally registeredand of which 83 of these died -- naturally by affectionate 
handling, shelteredand well wrapped care. 

[Translator’s note: theauthor mentions Carlota, a weaver of Angels, from the 
famous  novel by Eça de Queiroz. I asked a cousin ifhe knew of this novel, O 
Crime do PadreAmaro, and he said  that he had read it long ago, and it was 
about awoman who got rid of unwanted infants. She killed them by wrapping them 
upand drowning them in the river.  She was referred to as something like 
the"maker of angels," (tecedeirade anjos) the idea being that she was creating 
angels by killing the babies.]

On October 20, 1782, thevicar of the diocese of Angra, Dr. João Vieira de 
Bettencourt, commissioned therector of the Cathedral, Pedro da Cãmara Merens, 
to organize a separate book toregister the baptisms and deaths of these 
abandoned children.

In the year of 1783there were registered 120 baptisms and 81 deaths of expostos:

In 1784, 94 baptisms, 73 deaths;
In 1785, 97 baptisms, 86 deaths;
In 1786, 94 baptisms, 105 deaths;
In 1787, 86 baptisms, 100 deaths;
In 1788, 100 baptisms;
In 1789, 95 baptisms.

There were no deaths recorded for the years 1788 and 1789 but resumed again 
thefollowing year.  One can see that in 10 years the births and deaths of 
thefoundlings was astounding.  

Painful emotions squeezethe soul when one looks through the pages, tiny 
tragedies sown through this separatebook of the Cathedral.  The records 
indicate the names of the amas (wet-nurses) nominat

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Expostos left at the roda of the churches

2019-10-06 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

the Expostos  keptthose identifying materials to 
identified the children and to give them back toits family. Most of them never 
came for them so, the Institutions kept theidentifying material.

 The Santa Casa da Misericordia de Lisboa is one of those Institutions and,by 
far, has the biggest known collection of those identifying objects and 
messages,some centuries old, lovingly guarded in books and boxes, a pungent 
collectionof souvenirs of unwanted children, orwanted children but abandoned 
for lack of whatever reason, that well deserves beingseen. 
(Luis,C. L. Porto /Portugal)

 

 
  
On Saturday, October 5, 2019, 8:37:09 PM EDT, Cheri Mello 
 wrote:  
 
 We know historically that the rodas were to be used for offerings to the 
church and that the abandoned babies were left there.
What about today? Do they use the rodas still for offerings? What does a woman 
or young girl do if she cannot provide for her baby today?
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 3:53 PM Rosemarie Capodicci  wrote:

Well, I just looked for it and didn't find it so I guess it never was there! I 
could have sworn that it was on the site but I guess not. 
Rosemarie rcapodc@gmail.comResearching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and 
Pico, Azores,Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 10:03 AM Cheri Mello  wrote:

Rosemarie, where? I can't find it. Where did you see it? 

I've emailed Eloise asking her permission to have the article posted on the 
Azores GenWeb (unless it's already there - as I said, I can't find it.)
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 7:58 AM Rosemarie Capodicci  wrote:

I think that Eloise's article is on the AzoresGenWeb site here: 
http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/ go and check it out.  Rosemarie 
rcapodc@gmail.comResearching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, 
Azores,Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 10:10 PM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca 
 wrote:

Hi Linda,
I found your cousin Eloise’s work cited as a source on a search, but never 
found the actual articles she wrote.  If you have copies, may we have access to 
them?   Will Eloise give us permission?
Cheri will know if it’s acceptable or not to use her article on this site.   I 
can help make them into a link if you need help.  My email is below.  
Thank you!
Debbiejessdebmendonca at gmail. Com


On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 4:01 PM Linda Jardin  
wrote:


Eloise Cadinha is my cousin.  I have spoken with her regarding this subject as 
we have an exposta whom was left at the Matriz Sao Sebastiao.  She has written 
articles regarding the abandonment of babies. Some of these may still be 
available on the internet.  I do have copies if anyone is interested.  I also 
have direct contact with Eloise.  She is a lovely lady and sharp as a tack!

 

From: 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy 
Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2019 2:13 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Expostos left at the roda of the churches

 

The towns and cities had Foundling homes, usually convents, but not all 
churches in the cities and towns were foundling homes. In the villages, as can 
be seen in baptismal records, the foundlings were left either at somebody's 
door or in a place where they would likely be found. Eloise Cadinha studied 
this situation extensively and I have her notes.

 

John Miranda Raposo

 

On Wednesday, October 2, 2019, 3:35:49 PM EDT, Cheri Mello 
 wrote:

 

 

I seem to remember Joao Ventura, the archivist, stating that many babies were 
given up at the Matriz churches more so than the smaller parish church. The 
information is on the Azores GenWeb (I'm pretty sure). I'll look when I get 
home.


Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

 

 

On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 12:32 PM Maria Sousa  wrote:


 

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I know this question comes up often and I am familiar with the "roda" and the 
"oxpostos".  My question is, did every church have the "roda" system or was it 
just certain churches?   Maybe even each frequesia had a "matrix" church which 
had  the roda?  Does anyone happen to know?

 

It was very heartbreaking looking for my ancestor in Sao Sebastiao Church in 
Ponta Delegada and the amount of expostos that I read was astounding.  So much 
so that each exposto was given a number.   My ancestor happened to be a number 
in the 600s.  I noticed the number on her marriage certificate and then was 
able to match the same number to her birth certificate.   Still a deadend for 
me, but so heartbreaking to think of the hundreds of people who were going to 
this church to hand over a ch

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Expostos left at the roda of the churches

2019-10-02 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

The towns and cities had Foundling homes, usually convents, but not all
churches in the cities and towns were foundling homes. In the villages, as can
be seen in baptismal records, the foundlings were left either at somebody's
door or in a place where they would likely be found. Eloise Cadinha studied
this situation extensively and I have her notes.

John Miranda Raposo

On Wednesday, October 2, 2019, 3:35:49 PM EDT, Cheri Mello
wrote:

I seem to remember Joao Ventura, the archivist, stating that many babies were
given up at the Matriz churches more so than the smaller parish church. The
information is on the Azores GenWeb (I'm pretty sure). I'll look when I get
home.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 12:32 PM Maria Sousa wrote:

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I know this question comes up often and I am familiar with the "roda" and the
"oxpostos". My question is, did every church have the "roda" system or was it
just certain churches? Maybe even each frequesia had a "matrix" church which
had the roda? Does anyone happen to know?
It was very heartbreaking looking for my ancestor in Sao Sebastiao Church in
Ponta Delegada and the amount of expostos that I read was astounding. So much
so that each exposto was given a number. My ancestor happened to be a number
in the 600s. I noticed the number on her marriage certificate and then was
able to match the same number to her birth certificate. Still a deadend for
me, but so heartbreaking to think of the hundreds of people who were going to
this church to hand over a child. I can't image what was going on in the 1860
to 1890 in that area, that so many were just giving up their children.
Would love to hear your thoughts.
Maria Sousa

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Hickling and Ivens on Sao Miguel

2019-07-26 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

 Good mning David,
Please extend my regards to your cousin. he was extremely helful to me several 
years ago and generously provided me with a copy of the Ivend Ferraz book and 
his research on the Hicklings. We communicated many times. I have not forgotten 
his kindness. I am sure he is familiar with the Hicking book. 

Regards,
John Miranda Raposo

On Friday, July 26, 2019, 9:29:47 AM EDT, David Ivens 
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Thanks John,

No, I haven’t checked that particular source, though I suspect my friend, 4th 
cousin and fellow genealogist Jose Bela Morais has almost certainly discovered 
that piece. 

I will check with him.

But thank you for alerting me to the item.

  

David Ivens

  

From: 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy  
Sent: 26 July 2019 11:57
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Hickling and Ivens on Sao Miguel

  

Thank you for sharing with us! Have you checked this out: 

Soares de Albergaria, Eduardo, Thomas Hickling: Descendentes nos Arquipélagos 
dos Açores, Madeira e Portugal Continental, Dislivro-Histórico, Lisbon: 2009.

  

On Tuesday, July 16, 2019, 12:31:07 PM EDT, Cheri Mello  
wrote: 

  

  

Repost for David Ivens, david.ivens at wild-duck.co.uk 

  

As a descendant of William Ivens and his wife Elizabeth Flora Hickling, I found 
some of the information supplied here most interesting and useful, though there 
inevitably some small discrepancies, as is always the case with historical 
records.

William Ivens had been sent out from England to establish an import / export 
business for his employer William Hadfield. His friend and co-worker was 
William Burnett. They arrived in Sao MIguel in 1800,

William Ivens married Elizabeth Flora Hickling while William Burnett married 
her twin sister Sarah Clarissa. When Elizabeth Flora died, William Ivens then 
married her younger sister, Mary Anne.

I have details of their descendants should you wish to follow this through, but 
William Ivens and Elizabeth's children were:

William Hadfield Ivens (1806-1882)

Elizio Mario Ivens (b.1808)

Thomas Edward Ivens (1810-1880)

Arthur Hickling Ivens (1813-1895)

Edward Burnett Ivens (1815-1847)

Charles Fettiplace Ivens(1818-1906)

Robert Breakespeare Ivens (1822-1889)

  

It was William Hadfield Ivens who had lost money on an invention of his, and 
triggered William Ivens' further financial ruin when he sold investments to 
salvage his son.

  

William's 2nd marriage to Mary Anne produced four girls: Octavia, Kate, Lavinia 
and Harriet.

There's more, but enough for now, I think.

  

David Ivens (UK)

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Hickling and Ivens on Sao Miguel

2019-07-26 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

Thank you for sharing with us! Have you checked this out:
Soares deAlbergaria, Eduardo, Thomas Hickling:Descendentes nos Arquipélagos dos
Açores, Madeira e Portugal Continental, Dislivro-Histórico,Lisbon: 2009.

On Tuesday, July 16, 2019, 12:31:07 PM EDT, Cheri Mello
wrote:

Repost for David Ivens, david.ivens at wild-duck.co.uk
As a descendant of William Ivens and his wife Elizabeth Flora Hickling, I found
some of the information supplied here most interesting and useful, though there
inevitably some small discrepancies, as is always the case with historical
records.William Ivens had been sent out from England to establish an import /
export business for his employer William Hadfield. His friend and co-worker was
William Burnett. They arrived in Sao MIguel in 1800,William Ivens married
Elizabeth Flora Hickling while William Burnett married her twin sister Sarah
Clarissa. When Elizabeth Flora died, William Ivens then married her younger
sister, Mary Anne.I have details of their descendants should you wish to follow
this through, but William Ivens and Elizabeth's children were:William Hadfield
Ivens (1806-1882)Elizio Mario Ivens (b.1808)Thomas Edward Ivens
(1810-1880)Arthur Hickling Ivens (1813-1895)Edward Burnett Ivens
(1815-1847)Charles Fettiplace Ivens(1818-1906)Robert Breakespeare Ivens
(1822-1889)
It was William Hadfield Ivens who had lost money on an invention of his, and
triggered William Ivens' further financial ruin when he sold investments to
salvage his son.
William's 2nd marriage to Mary Anne produced four girls: Octavia, Kate, Lavinia
and Harriet.There's more, but enough for now, I think.
David Ivens (UK)

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Summer reading-Azorean authors

2019-07-03 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

Dear Fellow Listers,

Greetings! I thought I would sharesome recommendations for summer readings.
From Flores I have 3 authors:

Alfred Lewis’s (1902-1977)hauntingly beautiful semi autobiographical island,
Home is an Island, was originally published in English and is oneof those rare
books by an Azorean that has now been translated from English intoPortuguese!

Pedro da Silveira (1922- 2003) isprobably the leading poet from what many now
consider the Azorean school ofliterature. Poems inAbsentia & Poems from The
Island and the World (Bellis Azorica) byda Silveira, translated George
Monteiro, et al. is now available.

Not much Robertode Mesquita’s (1871-1923) poetry has been translated thus far,
The following ismy translation of one of his poems from AlmasCativas e Pomas
Dispersos 1973, Pedro da Silveira, (editor):

Universality

Do youthink that desolate places lie at rest

Likedeserted cemeteries,
And thatthey, like the dead,

Live on ina gloomy sleep?

No! Whenthe mad winds rush over

Theirdense forests,

A mixedchorus of laments is loosed

Andhopeless souls are tormented...

In theautumn, when the countryside is dying,

At thesmooth vibration of the Angelus bell,

All thingsare awash in

Waves ofanonymous longings.

When thevoices of life grow weak

And peaceis as sad and as vast as the sea,

The moonappears, full of grace,

To speakto the chosen hearts that know her.
Roberto de Mesquita, (my translation). You’ll not be surprised if Itell you
that these three Florentines are distantly related from each other,

Stormy Isles: An Azorean Tale by VitorinoNemesio (1901-1978) was translated
many years ago by Francisco CotaFagundes. The original translation was
considered by many readers to be awkwardand difficult. Professor Fagundes has
completely revised the original and thenew revised translation is now available
from (Bellis Azorica) It is a great novel to take along to the beach or read on
the veranda.

Dark Stones: An Azorean Narrative, José Dias de Melo (1925-2008) was
translatedby Gregory McNabb and published several years ago by Gávea-Brown
Publications,Providence: It takes place mostly in Pico and in the US in the
last years ofthe 19th century to about the beginning of the great depression.

Enjoy!

John Miranda Raposo

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Genealogias da ilhas de S.Miguel e Santa Maria Robert Rodrigues Does anyone have this?

2019-06-07 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

This from an index:

22 Fev.1771 JOSÉ CARVALHO, filhode Manuel Carvalho e de Teresa Botelho,
fal.ª, freg.s daparoquial de Santo António, c. c. ANA DACONCEIÇÃO, filha de
João de Viveiros Homem e de Maria de Viveiros, freg.sda paroquial de Santo
António.

Test.as:P.e José de Viveiros e André de Sousa Cabral,
m.resem Santo António.

Assentop.º Cura António Xavier.

Nota:3º e 4º grau duplicado de consanguinidade.

On Friday, June 7, 2019, 1:18:05 PM EDT, Lisa S
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Hello everyone,
I am having a difficult time in my tree trying to find the marriage record on 2
couples. I have been trying to get the book Genealogias da ilhas de S.Miguel e
Santa Maria from the library, but it is not available right now. Is there
someone who has this book please who is willing to check if the following 2
couples are in it? I would be so appreciative. Info below.
Kind Regards, Lisa

Here is the information:
José Carvalho de Mello and Anna de Jesus / Anna Maria (I believe that José
Carvalho de Mello is a natural of the island of Santa Maria, and I think that
Anna de Jesus / Anna Maria is a natural of Santo António além Capelas). Time
frame about 1795.
and
António de Medeiros Moura and Joanna Maria (I believe that António de Medeiros
Moura is a natural of Santo António além Capelas and Joanna Maria is a natural
of Lagoa. Time frame about 1760-1789.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with St. Mary's Home New Bedford, MA

2019-05-25 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

Back in that time period it was a home for orphans and for children whose
parents couldn't provide for them. In the latter case parents might visit on a
Sunday, etc.

In the 1970 and eighties, it was a residential treatment program for troubled
children. After it closed the building was used for a pre-release program and a
prison diversion program for incarcerated women with a history of substance
abuse.

John

On Saturday, May 25, 2019, 9:05:36 PM EDT, Leonor Bertoni
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This explains why she got married so early. She was 17, her husband 22. In the
1930 census she lived with her husband, young brother in law and her father in
law, her mother in law had passed away. Chances are that she needed to take
care of them all, so sad!
On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 9:02 PM Cheri Mello wrote:

I'm not sure if Children's Aid exists anymore. If it does, it's on the east
coast of America. In California, we have only the Department of Welfare and
Child Services (or something like that) and it's foster care. Every state in
America deals with the children somewhat differently today. In the past, they
basically farmed them out as child (slave) labor. Very sad.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 5:56 PM Leonor Bertoni wrote:

Here in Canada, the Children’s Aid Society is the organization that protects
children from abusive situations. They sometimes remove the children from their
home and place them in foster care until whatever issues the parents are having
get revolved.
On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 8:53 PM Cheri Mello wrote:

I think the Children's Aid Society was an east coast thing and when they got
too many kids, they started shipping them out all over the U.S. on Orphan
Trains. Basically child labor. I know for sure it wasn't a western U.S. thing.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 5:45 PM Leonor Bertoni wrote:

Sorry, I thought CAS was the same in the US, it’s the Children’s Aid Society.
On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 7:22 PM Leonor Bertoni wrote:

Hello all,I found a 1920 census for St. Mary's Home, my cousin's wife lived
there when she was a child (9 years old). I have tried to search for
information but have been unsuccessful, I found a picture but nothing else.
Does anyone have any info? I imagine it was a home for children whose parents
couldn't care for them but was it an adoption centre, just temporary care or
something like CAS?
TIA.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Accessing newer birth, marriage, death records (1912- forward) in Pico and Faial

2019-04-30 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

 I recently ordered a plain photocopy of a birth record for the sole purpose of 
gathering data. I was charged 2 euros for a plain photocopy which means the 
photocopy was just that, not an official vital record. The difference? No seal 
and much, much cheaper. For the purposes of researching genealogy I NEVER order 
an official vital record, just a plain photocopy. Minus the seal there is no 
other difference.
Best regards,
John Miranda Raposo

On Tuesday, April 30, 2019, 2:54:24 PM CDT, Jose Medeiros 
 wrote:  
 
 I paid 6 years ago 2 euros in R, Grande for my fathers birth certificate
I would not pay 20 euros for one


On Friday, April 26, 2019 at 11:18:30 PM UTC-4, Ângela Loura wrote:
Hi Deb,
You can go to the local office and ask for the copies. I think the fee for each 
document is 20 euros.
'Deb McCabe' via Azores Genealogy  escreveu no dia 
sábado, 27/04/2019 à(s) 01:51:

Cheri,
I don't want to hire someone.  I am wondering if I can go to the appropriate 
office and request a copy of records for my great grandparents, for example, 
who died after 1911.
Deb

When I searched for ancestors, I found friends!ri 

On Friday, April 26, 2019, 5:34:23 PM PDT, Cheri Mello  
wrote:  
 
 A list of researchers for hire can be found here: http://www.worldgenweb.org/ 
azrwgw/researchers-available- for.html
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 5:29 PM 'Deb McCabe' via Azores Genealogy 
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(Also posted on Faial Genealogy - Genealogica Faial Facebook page)
Does anyone know if a person can gain access to newer birth, marriage, and/or 
death records (from 1912-present) for relatives in the Azores who have passed? 
My family is primarily from Faial, then Pico. We will be visiting those islands 
and Sao Miguel. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Deb McCabe
When I searched for ancestors, I found friends!

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for intormation on three Arruda brothers in Sao Miguel

2019-01-20 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

 I think I have them in my computer base but you need to get me some dates, 
names of parents, etc. The Remigio family of Bretanha is well established.
John

On Saturday, January 19, 2019, 11:02:37 PM EST, Luis Arruda 
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 Looking for intormation on Jose Remigio, Antonio Remigio and Manuel Remigio 
Arruda from Ajuda Bretanha Ponta Delgada Thank YouLuis Arruda


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Difficulty finding marriage records: SANTO ANTÓNIO além Capelas freguesia on São Miguel, and LAGOA

2018-09-25 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

24 Mai.1775 FRANCISCO DE VIVEIROS REGO,filho de João de Viveiros Velho e de
Isabel Antónia de Viveiros, freg.sde Santo António, c. c. JOANA MARIA
DEMEDEIROS, filha de Tomé Álvares de Melo e de Bárbara de Medeiros, freg.sda
paroquial de Santo António.

Test.as:P.e Sebastião Manuel de Melo e P.e ManuelInácio
Pacheco, tes.º, m.res em Santo António.

Assentop.º Vig.º Francisco da Ponte Tavares.
Good luck!
John Miranda Raposo

On Tuesday, September 25, 2018, 11:53:56 AM EDT, Lisa S
wrote:

Hello,
I have really been having some difficulty in finding some marriage records in
the Santo António além Capelas freguesia on the island of São Miguel, and also
the Lagoa area. From what I have seen so far in the Santo António freguesia,
the priest(s) was/were not always consistent with the names they used to
document the parishoners. I don't know if this means that in fact the
parishoners had long names, and that when they stated them to the priest, the
priest only wrote down some of them, or if the parishoners sometimes just gave
the priest portions of their names.
The road blocks that I have hit in getting this section of my tree higher:
1. I cannot find the marriage record for the parents of Francisco de Medeiros
Maura. In the birth records of some of Francisco's children I have seen his
name documented sometimes as Francisco de Medeiros Maura, and sometimes
Francisco de Medeiros Pimentel. The names of his parents (the grandparents)
have stayed constant in those records that I have found, and their names are
António de Medeiros Maura and Joanna Maria, António is a natural of Santo
António and Joanna Maria is a natural of Lagoa (Nossa Senhora do Rosario), but
I have not been able to find their marriage record. I have checked Santo
António, but have not found it there. I have also checked Nossa Senhora do
Rosario, Lagoa, but did not find it there either. It's possible that I could
have missed it, or that Joanna Maria's parents moved to a different freguesia
after her birth, and that they were then married in that new freguesia.
The obituary for Joanna Maria 30 September 1830 - 70 years old more or
lesshttp://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SANTOANTONIO-O-1830-1860/SMG-PD-SANTOANTONIO-O-1830-1860_item1/P4.html

The obituary for António de Medeiros Maura29 September 1831 - 80 years old more
or
lesshttp://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SANTOANTONIO-O-1830-1860/SMG-PD-SANTOANTONIO-O-1830-1860_item1/P45.html

I believe their son Francisco was born 1 August 1789, so their marriage would
have happened before that date. I found 2 siblings born AFTER that date in
Santo António: João in 1793, and Margarida in 1794, but no one before 1789, so
perhaps his parents lived in a different freguesia before moving to Santo
António?
2. I am also having difficulty finding the marriage record for Francisco de
Viveiros do Rego and Joanna de Medeiros. They are both naturals of the Santo
António além Capelas freguesia, so I believe the marriage should have taken
place there. I estimate the marriage to have taken place around the year 1767.
I have seen the name of Francisco de Viveiros do Rego documented sometimes as
Francisco de Viveiros, and sometimes as Francisco de Medeiros do Rego, I am not
sure if this was a mistake or not since his wife Joanna has the surname de
Medeiros.He was born 9 February 1748.
Joanna de Medeiros was born 20 January 1749.

Is anyone else researching these two families, or does someone happen to have
an index with this information in it? I would be very appreciative of any
help.Thank you very much and kind regards,Lisa

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The Vital family from Lagoa, Sao Miguel to Wialua Hawall in 1883.

2018-05-07 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

 He is probably a descendant of Vital do Rego Baldaia from who the Vitals of 
Lagoa descend. He was born on 15-8-1673 in Rosario-Lagoa. I hope this helps. 

John Miranda Raposo 

On Sunday, May 6, 2018, 6:03:26 PM EDT, Tenderwah  
wrote:  
 
 If there is anyone out there who recognizes the last name. My great 
grandfathers first name was Manual and he would have traveled with his sons, 
and worked at a sugar cane plantation. My grandfather Manual Jr. ,when he left 
Hawaii went on to Fall River/ New Bedford where he met my grandmother Mary 
Medieras, and eventually moved to Oakland California around 1915. What I am 
trying to do is find links to the Azores in whatever ways there are.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] What do you call a suburb?

2018-02-06 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

Here in the US we have one state with a similar situation. The state of 
Louisiana is divided into Parishes that are civil administrative divisions , 
modeled on what existed when the US purchased Louisiana from Napoleon. 
Louisiana also has a large Catholic population which are geographically and 
adminstratively divided into parishes.  

Aldeia (village)  is a term infrequently used in the Azores as opposed to the 
mainland. Lugar do Pilar (when it was a village in the Parish of Bretanha) and 
Lugareijo da Lombinha was used to describe  the hamlet by that name.   A 
monograph by the late Fr. Octavio Luis Reis explains all these differences. 
Alas, he only had 250 copies printed. 

I refer to a couple as "moradores na Freguesia da Bretanha, recebidos na Igreja 
Paroquial de Nossa Senhora da Ajuda daquela freguesia." 

I hope I have not confused too many people.

Regards,

JMR

On Tuesday, February 6, 2018 6:56 AM, João Ventura  
wrote:
  

 That's true, a freguesia is not a parish.
However... When the freguesias were created in Portugal back in the late 1800s, 
and for a few good years after that, the Portuguese state simply copied over 
the list (and area) of the parishes and called them freguesias (civil parish). 
For genealogy research, there is a 1:1 match between a freguesia and a parish, 
way past 1911, which is the moment that the main vital records stopped being 
the parish records (parish-level) and started to be the registo civil records 
(municipality-level).
In other words, don't confuse them. But if you are confused, it should be safe 
to remain that way. Fortunately, no new municipalities have been created in the 
Azores since the 1830s, so in most cases you don't have to bother with parishes 
that suddenly go from one municipality to another.
João Venturahttps://tombo.pt/en 
On Sunday, 4 February 2018 19:20:17 UTC+1, Cheri Mello  wrote:The words vary 
from the Azores to the continent.

In the Azores, a suburb or neighborhood is usually referred to as a "lugar" in 
the documents.

Freguesia is a civil parish, not a church parish. Let's not go there and 
confuse people, because most North Americans (who are Catholic) think of their 
parish as the church that they attend. So just call a freguesia a freguesia. 
It's what used in the documents. They don't say aldeia in the Azores. I haven't 
seen it in a document, but I've seen it in the online language class 
(continental Portuguese).  Cheri

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sun, Feb 4, 2018 at 10:14 AM, Judy Thompson  wrote:
We all refer to places like Lajes  on Pico in concelho of Lajes as a freguesia 
but what do we call places like Ribeira do Meio or Rua Nova which are like 
suburbs or neighborhoods in Lajes or for Ribeira Seca in Calheta on Sao Jorge, 
what do we call Portal or Entre Grutoes?  Can't find my English/Portuguese 
dictionary so looked on google translate and found the following possibilities:
suburb = suburbiovillage = aldeiatown or city = cidadeneighborhood = bairro
Also did not realize that freguesia is actually parish.
Hoping Portuguese speakers will have an answer.
Thx for any clarification.
Judy Thompson





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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cordeiro de Miranda Family

2018-01-16 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

I have done a lot of research on my Mirandas, and the Mirandas from the other 
islands. I have never discovered a connection between the S. Miguel Mirandas 
and the Mirandas from the other islands.
John
 

On Tuesday, January 16, 2018 4:24 PM, Donald Vasconcelos 
<dfvasc...@gmail.com> wrote:
 

 Hi John,My great-great grandfather was Antonio de Sousa Miranda born 1806 in 
Graciosa. Do you know of any of your Miranda’s who ended up in Graciosa. There 
were Cordeiro’s in Graciosa also.Thanks,Don Vasconcelos 

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Dear fellow List Members: As some of you know I have beenresearching the 
Miranda family of the Parish of Bretanha in S. Miguel for many years. Thereare 
five main branches, one of which is the Cordeiro de Miranda family. 
Thatparticular branch is very well represented in the Azorean Diaspora that 
settledin Massachusetts and in Fortaleza, Ceará, Brazil. My cousin Licínio 
Nunes deMiranda of Fortaleza has created a page on Facebook, Familia Cordeiro 
de Miranda, and would welcome the participation ofany Cordeiro de Mirandas, 
particularly any descendants of Francisco Cordeiro deMiranda and his wife 
Mariana Augusta da Estrela.Regards,
John Miranda Raposo
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cordeiro de Miranda Family

2018-01-16 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

Might be. They certainly have the same ancestors. All of the Bretanha Mirandas 
have the same trunk. And the different branches also intermarried. Good luck!
John
 

On Tuesday, January 16, 2018 3:34 PM, Joanne Mercier 
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 #yiv4469105090 body{font-family:Goudy Old Style, Arial;font-size:18px;}I 
haven’t done much on this particular branch of my family tree but I have a 
great aunt who married into the Vivieros Miranda family from Bretanha. Would 
they be a connection to this line?
Thanks.Joanne Grota Mercier 
  
On January 16, 2018 at 3:30:57 PM, nancy jean baptiste 
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Thank you John,
There's a woman in theAzores DNA Project than I told to contact you because 
she's lookingfor an unknown bio father and you show as a good cousin 
match.Debbie? Maybe she connects to the Mass Miranda's since she lives inNew 
Bedford area.
Best regards,Nancy JeanFrom:azores@googlegroups.com  
on behalfof Rosemarie Capodicci 
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2018 2:26:39 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cordeiro de MirandaFamily Thanks,John. Don't 
connect with them but I'm sure there are people on thislist that will connect. 

Rosemariercapodc@gmail.comResearchingSao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and 
Pico, Azores,Isola delleFemmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 12:08 PM, 'JohnRaposo' via Azores Genealogy 
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Dear fellow List Members: As some of you know I have been researching the 
Miranda family ofthe Parish of Bretanha in S. Miguel for many years. There are 
fivemain branches, one of which is the Cordeiro de Miranda family. 
Thatparticular branch is very well represented in the Azorean Diasporathat 
settled in Massachusetts and in Fortaleza, Ceará, Brazil. Mycousin Licínio 
Nunes de Miranda of Fortaleza has created a page onFacebook, FamiliaCordeiro de 
Miranda, and would welcome the participation of anyCordeiro de Mirandas, 
particularly any descendants of FranciscoCordeiro de Miranda and his wife 
Mariana Augusta daEstrela.Regards,
John Miranda Raposo
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Cordeiro de Miranda Family

2018-01-16 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

Dear fellow List Members: As some of you know I have beenresearching the 
Miranda family of the Parish of Bretanha in S. Miguel for many years. Thereare 
five main branches, one of which is the Cordeiro de Miranda family. 
Thatparticular branch is very well represented in the Azorean Diaspora that 
settledin Massachusetts and in Fortaleza, Ceará, Brazil. My cousin Licínio 
Nunes deMiranda of Fortaleza has created a page on Facebook, Familia Cordeiro 
de Miranda, and would welcome the participation ofany Cordeiro de Mirandas, 
particularly any descendants of Francisco Cordeiro deMiranda and his wife 
Mariana Augusta da Estrela.Regards,
John Miranda Raposo

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] I give up.

2017-10-30 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

Thanks John. I had noticed that problem earlier this morning and had e-mailed 
Nelia to let her know that she has two couples with the same names in the same 
parish in the same time period. Nelia can also search for the birth of 
Margarida, ca, 1831 +/- 1 year to see if that sheds any light.
Genealogical research is never boring!
Regards,
JMR

 

On Monday, October 30, 2017 3:45 PM, JR  wrote:
 

 I think the initial findings you posted may be the wrong parents. The ones I 
just posted are a closer match and are reinforced by the baptism of Margarida. 
Her mother is listed as Anna de Jesus. The one you posted is Anna Jacinta. If 
you find another Margarida born to Ana Jacinta and Jose Dias, then it may be a 
problem. Right now, what I posted matches everything.
JR

On Monday, October 30, 2017 at 3:26:50 PM UTC-4, Nelia DiBiase wrote:
I'm now completely confused. It's the last names that get me all the time. So 
these are Manuel's parents marriage record possibly?

N
On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 2:48 PM JR  wrote:

I think these are the correct parents below. When I looked in the index, there 
was not other Margarida born to Jose Dias in the right time frame. In fact none.
JR
http://culturacores.azores. gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG- 
PD-FENAISDALUZ-C-1815-1827/ SMG-PD-FENAISDALUZ-C-1815- 1827_item1/P89.html

Jose Dias cc Anna de Jesus, March 2- 1823, Fenais da Luz; he is 32 yrs old, 
filho de Jose Dias and Quiteria da Encarnacao; she is 24 yrs old filha de Jose 
de Souza and Maria Antonia, both defuntos
More:
http://culturacores.azores. gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG- 
PD-FENAISDALUZ-C-1764-1794/ SMG-PD-FENAISDALUZ-C-1764- 1794_item1/P207.html
This one you will have to verify as it does not match Jose Sousa Fernandes. 
Rather it shows Jose Sousa Ferreira cc Maria Antonia. It may be the right one, 
but you should check.
http://culturacores.azores. gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG- 
PD-FENAISDALUZ-C-1794-1815/ SMG-PD-FENAISDALUZ-C-1794- 1815_item1/P65.html
JR

On Monday, October 30, 2017 at 1:41:14 AM UTC-4, Nelia DiBiase wrote:
Sorry I think it's her parents then. It seems like her parents were from a 
different parish?
Nelia 


On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 11:38 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:



Jose Dias Mancebo, widower and Anna Jacinta

Mancebo can be like Junior. However, it doesn't always indicate father and son. 
It technically means younger. So he could have been named after his uncle. But 
in your case, Jose Dias' dad is Jose Dias. :)

You can't read the grandparents on this marriage because there are none. 
Grandparents aren't mentioned in marriage records, just baptisms. To see what 
is expected in the various records for the 3 time periods, see this guide on 
the Azores GenWeb: https://goo.gl/Ufu2J1
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] I give up.

2017-10-30 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

Jose Dias, "Mancebo". Mancebo is not a name; it describes social status, i.e. 
he is on his own. He was also the widower of Ana Joaquina, buried in Fenais da 
Luz. His parents are Jose Dias and Jacinta da Conceicao.Ana Jacinta is the 
daughter of Luis de Almeida and Maria Tomasia. 

You've definitely got the hang of it now!
John

 

On Monday, October 30, 2017 1:41 AM, Nelia DiBiase 
 wrote:
 

 Sorry I think it's her parents then. It seems like her parents were from a 
different parish?
Nelia 
On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 11:38 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

Jose Dias Mancebo, widower and Anna Jacinta

Mancebo can be like Junior. However, it doesn't always indicate father and son. 
It technically means younger. So he could have been named after his uncle. But 
in your case, Jose Dias' dad is Jose Dias. :)

You can't read the grandparents on this marriage because there are none. 
Grandparents aren't mentioned in marriage records, just baptisms. To see what 
is expected in the various records for the 3 time periods, see this guide on 
the Azores GenWeb: https://goo.gl/Ufu2J1
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] I give up.

2017-10-29 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

Nelia,
One of the problems is that the priest (s) in S. Vicente were very sloppy about 
reporting where the parents were baptized and married. They often say S. 
Vicente when in fact it is Fenais da Luz. And, yes, the names do keep changing. 
Here is what I have come up with:
Thanks for your reassurance everyone!

Ahnentafel Chart for Antonio de NunesBizarro First Generation   1. 
Antoniode Nunes Bizarro  was born on 8 Jun1913. Antonio married Isabel 
BentoTorres  daughter of Antonio BentoTorres and Carolina do Rego. Isabel was 
born about 1915.  Second Generation   2. ManuelNunes Bizarro  was born in 
1868 in S.Vicente Ferreira. He was christened on 25 Apr 1868 in S. Vicente 
Ferreira. Hemarried Maria dos Santos in S. Vicente Ferreira.   3. Mariados 
Santos  was born in 1885 inFenais da Luz.  ThirdGeneration   4. ManuelNunes 
 was born in 1845 in S. VicenteFerreira. He married Margarida de Jesus Bizarro 
on 20 Feb 1867 in S. VicenteFerreira.   5. Margaridade Jesus Bizarro  was 
born in 1831 inFenais da Luz.    6. AntonioResendes  was born in 1850 
inCalhetas. He married Maria de Jesus da Silva on 5 Jul 1875 in Fenais da Luz.  
 7. Mariade Jesus da Silva  was born in 1858in Fenais da Luz. AKA Maria da 
Conceição. Fourth Generation   8. FranciscoNunes  was born in Fenais da 
Luz. Hemarried Ana de Jesus.   9. Anade Jesus  was born in Faja de Baixo.   
   10. JoseDias  was born in Fenais da Luz. Hemarried Ana do Carmo.     11. 
Anado Carmo  was born in Fenais da Luz.  12. Joaode Resendes  was born in 
Calhetas. Hemarried Antonia de Jesus.     13. Antoniade Jesus  was born in 
Calhetas.  14. Manuelda Silva  was born in Fenais da Luz.He married 
Angelica Rosa.     15. AngelicaRosa  was born in Fenais da Luz. 

Good luck!
John Miranda Raposo
 

On Saturday, October 28, 2017 5:04 PM, Nelia DiBiase 
 wrote:
 

 Thanks for your reassurance everyone!

On my recent trip to Sao Miguel I got my grandfather's registo de nascimento 
from the city. Here's what it says. As I try to look up the ancestors I hit a 
wall. 

Antonio Nunes Bizarro dob June 8 1913 

Filho legitimo de Manuel Nunes Bizarro de 44 anos de Idade natural de freguesia 
de Sao Vicente Ferreira 
e de 
Maria dos Santos de 28 anos de idade natural da freguesia de Finais da Luz 
concelho de Ponta Delgada 

Neto paterno de Manuel Nunes e de Margarida de Jesus Bizarro

Neto materno de Antonio Resendes e de Maria de Jesus Silva. 

I know that my great grandparents Manuel and Maria dos Santos were married in 
Fall River Massachusetts and then returned to Sao Miguel. I can't find a darn 
thing on them past that. I can't find baptism records on any of my great grand 
parents nor can I find marriage records for my great great grandparents. 

Thank you all so much!

Nelia 

On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 2:22 PM Paul  wrote:

Hi Nelia,

I'll try my best to keep my story, which is similar to yours as small as 
possible. When I started the only information I had besides my grandparents 
names and birthdates, was their parents names. So I entered the info I had, 
tried to to find more. After a year or so I stopped. Then after a 2-3 year 
hiatus I took up the search again with the help of some family I was able to 
find my great grandparents passenger manifest which showed they emigrated to 
Hawaii in 1906. My grandmothers family came from the Azores (obviously), while 
my grandfathers came from Ilha Madeira. Both on the same ship. With the help 
and suggestions of many people in this group I have been able to go back quite 
a few generations.

Paul G.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] I give up.

2017-10-28 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

Nelia,
You should post your dead ends. There might be somebody on the list who has the 
same ancestors and has already done the research.Give it a try!
John Miranda Raposo
 

On Saturday, October 28, 2017 2:22 PM, Paul  wrote:
 

 Hi Nelia,

I'll try my best to keep my story, which is similar to yours as small as 
possible. When I started the only information I had besides my grandparents 
names and birthdates, was their parents names. So I entered the info I had, 
tried to to find more. After a year or so I stopped. Then after a 2-3 year 
hiatus I took up the search again with the help of some family I was able to 
find my great grandparents passenger manifest which showed they emigrated to 
Hawaii in 1906. My grandmothers family came from the Azores (obviously), while 
my grandfathers came from Ilha Madeira. Both on the same ship. With the help 
and suggestions of many people in this group I have been able to go back quite 
a few generations.

Paul G.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Raposo, Candida

2017-09-23 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

I have been doing genealogical research for over 25 years and have developed an 
extensive data base. Most of your information comes from the parish records as 
well as from the research of Rodrigo Rodrigues. I am glad I was able to help. 
Your lineage goes back much, much further. You have enough to get you back 
there. But if you ever decide to contract out the research, I'll be happy to 
review your project and discuss my terms and fees. 

Best of luck!
John
 

On Saturday, September 23, 2017 11:57 AM, Michael Brown 
 wrote:
 

 John this is so great! I am adding them to my family tree. What was the source 
of this information? THANKS

On Wednesday, September 20, 2017 at 2:25:00 PM UTC-7, John Raposo wrote:
I am now home from my 9-island tour. Here is the story:
Antónia Candida de Jesus  was born in 1841 in João Bom, Bretanha andmarried 
José Pimentel  on 10 Feb1861 in Ajuda, Bretanha. 

She is the daughter of. José Inácio Raposo *  (also known as José Inacio da 
Cãmara) a foundling abandonned in Bretanha, and fostered by Manuel Pavão Raposo 
 ( born in 1749 in Pilar, Bretanha; died on 18 Jan 1749) and Margarida Antónia 
de Jesus   (born in 1749 in  Bretanha) 
and Fancisca Cândida  whom he married on 22 Feb1829. She was the daughter of  
José Medeiros Fernandes,  and paternal granddaughter Joaquim Fernandes  and. 
Bárbara Medeiros  Antonia Maria Tavares (born on 6 Oct 1772 in Ajuda; died in 
1861 in Ajuda Bretanha), maternal granddaughter of António Tavares Cabral  and 
Maria Francisca Cordeiro. 

Francisca Candida's lineage goes back to mainland Portugal (c. 1492) I hope 
this helps.
John Miranda Raposo

  

 

    
  

 

On Sunday, September 17, 2017 1:38 PM, Michael Brown  wrote:
 

 I am also looking for info on Jose Ignacio Raposo and his wife Francisca 
Candida, they were married in Bretanha, Sao Miguel on February 22 1829. I have 
no record of their parents. I don't have their birth or death dates either, 
just the children and forward. I have attempted to look at the Bretanha 
marriage records from that time in the Azores database but I cannot make heads 
or tails out of the handwriting. Any info that anyone has would be helpful! 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Raposo, Candida

2017-09-21 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

The trip of a life time and a goal of many years achieved before it old age 
creeps in.
John
 

On Thursday, September 21, 2017 7:53 AM, MaryAnn Santos <m...@nyu.edu> 
wrote:
 

 Wow! How was your trip?
MaryAnn
On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 5:20 PM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy 
<azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

I am now home from my 9-island tour. Here is the story:
Antónia Candida de Jesus  was born in 1841 in João Bom, Bretanha andmarried 
José Pimentel  on 10 Feb1861 in Ajuda, Bretanha. 

She is the daughter of. José Inácio Raposo *  (also known as José Inacio da 
Cãmara) a foundling abandonned in Bretanha, and fostered by Manuel Pavão Raposo 
 ( born in 1749 in Pilar, Bretanha; died on 18 Jan 1749) and Margarida Antónia 
de Jesus   (born in 1749 in  Bretanha) 
and Fancisca Cândida  whom he married on 22 Feb1829. She was the daughter of  
José Medeiros Fernandes,  and paternal granddaughter Joaquim Fernandes  and. 
Bárbara Medeiros  Antonia Maria Tavares (born on 6 Oct 1772 in Ajuda; died in 
1861 in Ajuda Bretanha), maternal granddaughter of António Tavares Cabral  and 
Maria Francisca Cordeiro. 

Francisca Candida's lineage goes back to mainland Portugal (c. 1492) I hope 
this helps.
John Miranda Raposo

  

 

    
  

 

On Sunday, September 17, 2017 1:38 PM, Michael Brown 
<mikebrownproductions@gmail. com> wrote:
 

 I am also looking for info on Jose Ignacio Raposo and his wife Francisca 
Candida, they were married in Bretanha, Sao Miguel on February 22 1829. I have 
no record of their parents. I don't have their birth or death dates either, 
just the children and forward. I have attempted to look at the Bretanha 
marriage records from that time in the Azores database but I cannot make heads 
or tails out of the handwriting. Any info that anyone has would be helpful! 
thanks
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Raposo, Candida

2017-09-20 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

I am now home from my 9-island tour. Here is the story:
Antónia Candida de Jesus  was born in 1841 in João Bom, Bretanha andmarried 
José Pimentel  on 10 Feb1861 in Ajuda, Bretanha. 

She is the daughter of. José Inácio Raposo *  (also known as José Inacio da 
Cãmara) a foundling abandonned in Bretanha, and fostered by Manuel Pavão Raposo 
 ( born in 1749 in Pilar, Bretanha; died on 18 Jan 1749) and Margarida Antónia 
de Jesus   (born in 1749 in  Bretanha) 
and Fancisca Cândida  whom he married on 22 Feb1829. She was the daughter of  
José Medeiros Fernandes,  and paternal granddaughter Joaquim Fernandes  and. 
Bárbara Medeiros  Antonia Maria Tavares (born on 6 Oct 1772 in Ajuda; died in 
1861 in Ajuda Bretanha), maternal granddaughter of António Tavares Cabral  and 
Maria Francisca Cordeiro. 

Francisca Candida's lineage goes back to mainland Portugal (c. 1492) I hope 
this helps.
John Miranda Raposo

  

 

    
  

 

On Sunday, September 17, 2017 1:38 PM, Michael Brown 
 wrote:
 

 I am also looking for info on Jose Ignacio Raposo and his wife Francisca 
Candida, they were married in Bretanha, Sao Miguel on February 22 1829. I have 
no record of their parents. I don't have their birth or death dates either, 
just the children and forward. I have attempted to look at the Bretanha 
marriage records from that time in the Azores database but I cannot make heads 
or tails out of the handwriting. Any info that anyone has would be helpful! 
thanks
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Raposo, Candida

2017-09-17 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

I will be back home mid week from the Azores and will check my data base. But 
please give me an approximate date for the marriage.
John Miranda Raposo 

On Sunday, September 17, 2017 5:38 PM, Michael Brown 
 wrote:
 

 I am also looking for info on Jose Ignacio Raposo and his wife Francisca 
Candida, they were married in Bretanha, Sao Miguel on February 22 1829. I have 
no record of their parents. I don't have their birth or death dates either, 
just the children and forward. I have attempted to look at the Bretanha 
marriage records from that time in the Azores database but I cannot make heads 
or tails out of the handwriting. Any info that anyone has would be helpful! 
thanks
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pereira in Sao Miguel with possible Jewish roots

2017-09-07 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

What time period?
John Miranda Raposo
 

On Thursday, September 7, 2017 6:54 PM, anne fazendeiro 
 wrote:
 

 

On Friday, April 23, 2010 at 3:59:24 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
(This needs its own thread/topic)Repost for Anne Fazendeiro, afazendeiro at 
comcast.netI have Pereira whom I have been researching to no avail.  I have a 
feeling he might have been Jewish since they had a Menorah in their possession 
which, I believe, might have belonged to my grandfather's family.  At the time 
they lived in Sao Miguel, they were probably over 30% Jewish people and 5 
synagogues.  So his chances of being Jewish are very likely, as are many other 
Portuguese families. Anne Fazendeiro 
He was born in Sao Miguel.  He lived there until he was in his forty's and 
immigrated to American with 3 of his unmarried children.  He was never 
particularly religious as was my grandmother, who was Catholic. You  question 
the 30% Jewish people, but why were there 5 synagogues for such a small 
population? Jewish people left Europe to avoid being killed and adopted 
Portuguese names, Pereira being one of the more popular ones.  My grandmother, 
who was the most dominate one, would not have bought a Menorah, but would have 
kept it for my grandfather's sake.  I appreciate a n y input you may have. Anne 
Fazendeiro 
This is an add on to a previous email to you.  The Jewish association with my 
grandfather has me quite curious.  Do you have any particular avenues that I 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Antonio de Melo

2017-08-30 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

Wow! Thanks so much.
 

On Wednesday, August 30, 2017 3:49 PM, JR  wrote:
 

 More of the St Maria connection re, Antonio de Mello line:
   Ancestors of Antonio de Melo       GenerationNo. 1        1.  Antoniode 
Melo, born 13 Jun 1716 in Santo Espirito, Ilha St Maria, res VilaFranca.  He 
was the son of 2. Manuelde Melo Rodrigues and 3. Ana Velho. He married (1) 
Francisca Pacheco 12 Nov 1738 in Vila Franca, Matriz.  She was born Abt. 1718 
in Vila Franca,Matriz, and died Bef. 07 Jun 1781.  Shewas the daughter of Joao 
Pacheco Barbosa or Brito and Luzia Moniz.    GenerationNo. 2        2.  
Manuel deMelo Rodrigues, born in NS da Assuncao, Ilha St Maria, res Almagreira. 
 He was the son of 4. Antonio Jorge and5. Catarina de Melo.  He married 3.Ana 
Velho 16 Apr 1714 in Santo Espirito, Ilha St Maria.     3.  AnaVelho, born 
in Santo Espirito, Ilha St Maria, res Almagreira.  She was the daughter of 6. 
FranciscoFernandes and 7. Maria Velha.      Children of Manuel 
MeloRodrigues and Ana Velho are:     1 i.    Antonio de 
Melo, born 13 Jun 1716 in Santo Espirito, Ilha StMaria, res Vila Franca; 
married Francisca Pacheco 12 Nov 1738 in Vila Franca,Matriz.    
  ii.    Tome, born 21 Dec 1718 in Santo Espirito, Ilha St Maria.       
GenerationNo. 3        4.  AntonioJorge, born in NS da Assuncao, Ilha St 
Maria.  He married 5. Catarina de Melo Abt.1670.     5.  Catarinade Melo, 
born in NS da Assuncao, Ilha St Maria.      Child of Antonio Jorge 
andCatarina Melo is:     2 i.    Manuel de Melo Rodrigues, 
born in NS da Assuncao, Ilha St Maria,res Almagreira; married (1) Catarina 
Velho 11 May 1692 in NS da Assuncao, IlhaSt Maria; married (2) Maria Pereira 28 
Jan 1704 in NS da Assuncao, Ilha StMaria; married (3) Ana Velho 16 Apr 1714 in 
Santo Espirito, Ilha St Maria.           6.  FranciscoFernandes, born in 
Santo Espirito, Ilha St Maria; died Bef. 16 Apr1714.  He married 7. Maria 
Velha.     7.  MariaVelha, born in Santo Espirito, Ilha St Maria; died Bef. 
16 Apr 1714.      Child of FranciscoFernandes and Maria Velha is:     3 
    i.    Ana Velho, born in Santo Espirito, Ilha St Maria, res 
Almagreira;married Manuel de Melo Rodrigues 16 Apr 1714 in Santo Espirito, Ilha 
St Maria.      JR
On Wednesday, August 30, 2017 at 10:31:51 AM UTC-4, John Raposo wrote:
Thanks John; I appreciate you bring this to my attention. I am going to forward 
this to the Azores list so others may correct the initial information that I 
sent.
John 

On Wednesday, August 30, 2017 8:35 AM, JR  wrote:
 

 Someone mixed up the marriage location, John. Antonio Melo and Francisca 
Pacheco married in Vila Franca. And take note that mother of Antonio is Anna 
Velha not Valle
JR
 Ancestors of Pascoal de Melo  GenerationNo. 1 1.  Pascoalde Melo, born 
in Vila Franca, Matriz. He was the son of 2. Antonio de Melo and 3. Francisca 
Pacheco.  He married (1) Maria Laureana 02 Jan 1780 in Ribeira Grande, Estrela. 
 Shewas born in Ribeira Grande, Estrela.  Shewas the daughter of Jose da Costa 
Puga and Barbara do Espirito santo. Marriage Notes for PascoalMelo and 
Maria:http://culturacores.azores. gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG- 
RG-ESTRELA-C-1768-1784/SMG-RG- ESTRELA-C-1768-1784_item1/ P142.html 
GenerationNo. 2 2.  Antoniode Melo, born Abt. 1716 in Vila Franca do 
Campo- Matriz.  He was the son of 4. Manuel de Meloand 5. Ana Velho.  He 
married 3.Francisca Pacheco 12 Nov 1738 in Vila Franca,Matriz.    3.  
FranciscaPacheco, born Abt. 1718 in Vila Franca do Campo- Matriz; died Bef. 07 
Jun1781.  She was the daughter of 6. JoaoPacheco Barbosa or Brito and 7. Luzia 
Moniz. Notes for Antonio de Melo:Antonio de Mello on record Notes for 
FranciscaPacheco:Francisca Paxeca on record Marriage Notes for AntonioMelo and 
Francisca Pacheco:http://culturacores.azores. gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG- 
VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1705-1743/SMG- VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1705-1743_ item1/P302.html page 
298 verso    Children of Antonio Meloand Francisca Pacheco are: 
 i.    Manuel de Melo, born in Vila Franca, Matriz;married Joana 
Maria 07 Jun 1781 in Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade; born in Ponta Garca- NS da 
Piedade. Marriage Notes for ManuelMelo and Joana:http://culturacores.azores. 
gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG- VF-PONTAGARCA-C-1779-1810/SMG- 
VF-PONTAGARCA-C-1779-1810_ item1/P11.html pg 8 1    ii.    
Pascoal de Melo, born in Vila Franca, Matriz; married MariaLaureana or Maria de 
Jesus 02 Jan 1780 in Ribeira Grande, Estrela.  GenerationNo. 3 4.  
Manuel deMelo, born in Santo Espirito, Ilha St Maria.  He married 5. Ana Velho 
Bef. 1708.    5.  AnaVelho, born in Santo Espirito, Ilha St Maria.    
Child of Manuel Melo andAna Velho is:    2 i.    Antonio de 
Melo, born Abt. 1716 in Vila Franca do Campo- Matriz;married

[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Antonio de Melo

2017-08-30 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

Thanks John; I appreciate you bring this to my attention. I am going to forward
this to the Azores list so others may correct the initial information that I
sent.
John

On Wednesday, August 30, 2017 8:35 AM, JR wrote:

Someone mixed up the marriage location, John. Antonio Melo and Francisca
Pacheco married in Vila Franca. And take note that mother of Antonio is Anna
Velha not Valle
JR
Ancestors of Pascoal de Melo GenerationNo. 1 1. Pascoalde Melo, born
in Vila Franca, Matriz. He was the son of 2. Antonio de Melo and 3. Francisca
Pacheco. He married (1) Maria Laureana 02 Jan 1780 in Ribeira Grande, Estrela.
Shewas born in Ribeira Grande, Estrela. Shewas the daughter of Jose da Costa
Puga and Barbara do Espirito santo. Marriage Notes for PascoalMelo and
Maria:http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1768-1784/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1768-1784_item1/P142.html
GenerationNo. 2 2. Antoniode Melo, born Abt. 1716 in Vila Franca do
Campo- Matriz. He was the son of 4. Manuel de Meloand 5. Ana Velho. He
married 3.Francisca Pacheco 12 Nov 1738 in Vila Franca,Matriz. 3.
FranciscaPacheco, born Abt. 1718 in Vila Franca do Campo- Matriz; died Bef. 07
Jun1781. She was the daughter of 6. JoaoPacheco Barbosa or Brito and 7. Luzia
Moniz. Notes for Antonio de Melo:Antonio de Mello on record Notes for
FranciscaPacheco:Francisca Paxeca on record Marriage Notes for AntonioMelo and
Francisca
Pacheco:http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1705-1743/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1705-1743_item1/P302.html
page 298 verso Children of Antonio Meloand Francisca Pacheco are:
i. Manuel de Melo, born in Vila Franca, Matriz;married
Joana Maria 07 Jun 1781 in Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade; born in Ponta Garca- NS
da Piedade. Marriage Notes for ManuelMelo and
Joana:http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-C-1779-1810/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-C-1779-1810_item1/P11.html
pg 8 1 ii. Pascoal de Melo, born in Vila Franca,
Matriz; married MariaLaureana or Maria de Jesus 02 Jan 1780 in Ribeira Grande,
Estrela. GenerationNo. 3 4. Manuel deMelo, born in Santo Espirito,
Ilha St Maria. He married 5. Ana Velho Bef. 1708. 5. AnaVelho, born in
Santo Espirito, Ilha St Maria. Child of Manuel Melo andAna Velho is:
2 i. Antonio de Melo, born Abt. 1716 in Vila Franca do
Campo- Matriz;married Francisca Pacheco 12 Nov 1738 in Vila Franca, Matriz.
6. JoaoPacheco Barbosa or Brito, born 20 Jun 1687 in Maia- Espirito
Santo. He was the son of Alferes Manuel de BritoPraiano and Maria Pacheco. He
married 7.Luzia Moniz 03 Feb 1712 in Vila Franca,Matriz. 7. LuziaMoniz,
born in Espirito Santo, Ilha St Maria, res Ribeira das Tainhas. She was the
daughter of Manuel de Fontes andApolonia de Aguiar or Jorge. Notes for Joao
PachecoBarbosa or Brito:Pad- Mel Pacheco filho dePaulo Pacheco and Fca Rapoza
sua mulher Marriage Notes for JoaoBarbosa or Brito and Luzia Moniz:Records are
out of order,no longer appears in 1712 area. Children of Joao Barbosa
orBrito and Luzia Moniz are: 3 i. Francisca Pacheco,
born Abt. 1718 in Vila Franca do Campo-Matriz; died Bef. 07 Jun 1781; married
Antonio de Melo 12 Nov 1738 in VilaFranca, Matriz. ii.
Manuel, born 05 Mar 1730 in Vila Franca, Matriz. Notes for
Manuel:http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1718-1730/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1718-1730_item1/P275.html

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: New to group - looking for help- Surnames melo-rego- sousa - teixeira dos anjos

2017-08-29 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

That is difficult to say, but in Matriz da Estrela, (Ribeira Grande) the first 
recorded marriage is in 1542 (so the bridal couple would have been born about 
1520 +/-; the first baptism recorded was in 1541. We know that Francisco Moniz 
Furtado and his wife Guiomar Pacheco were adults living in Fenais da Ajuda in 
1617. Their daughter was married in 1627 so she might have been born around 
1605, her parents in 1580 and  Marquesa Almeida would have been born around 
1555 at the latest. 
 

On Tuesday, August 29, 2017 12:25 PM, JamesK  wrote:
 

 Curious, approximately what would be the approximate birth year for my oldest 
relative on this chart- 
69. Marquesa de Almeida  ?  How does that compare to the earliest records you 
have for the Azores?
On Tuesday, August 29, 2017 at 12:01:57 AM UTC-4, JamesK wrote:
Thank you!
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: New to group - looking for help- Surnames melo-rego- sousa - teixeira dos anjos

2017-08-28 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

This is your lucky day
John Miranda Raposo
Ahnentafel Chart for Joaquim Melo First Generation   1. JoaquimMelo  was 
born on 27 Sep 1795 inAchadinha, São Miguel, Açores. Joaquim married Maria 
IsabelFerreira  daughter of AntonioFerreira and Feliciana Pacheco on 1 Aug 1832 
in Matriz da Ribeira Grande, SãoMiguel, Açores. Maria was born on 15 Feb 1812 
in Matriz da Ribeira Grande, SãoMiguel, Açores.  Second Generation   2. 
PascoalMelo  was born on 12 Dec 1757 inMatriz de Vila Franca, São Miguel, 
Açores. He married Maria de Jesus da Costaon 12 Jan 1780 in Matriz da Ribeira 
Grande, São Miguel, Açores.   3. Mariade Jesus da Costa  was born on 4 
Feb1763 in Matriz da Ribeira Grande, São Miguel, Açores. ThirdGeneration   
4. Antoniode Melo  was born on 13 Jun 1716 inSanto Espírito, Santa Maria, 
Açores. He married Francisca Pacheco on 12 Nov1738 in Purificação, Santo 
Espírito, Santa Maria, Açores.   5. FranciscaPacheco  was born in Matriz de 
VilaFranca, São Miguel, Açores. In Pascoal's marriage certificate hername is 
written as Francisca Paxeca.   6. Joseda Costa  was born on 20 Aug 1723 
inMatriz da Ribeira Grande, São Miguel, Açores. He was christened on 2 Sep 
1723in Matriz da Ribeira Grande, São Miguel, Açores. He married Barbara do 
EspíritoSanto on 30 Nov 1761 in Matriz da Ribeira Grande, São Miguel, Açores. 
Jose da Costa was also known as Joseda Costa Pulga  7. Barbarado Espírito 
Santo  was born on 1 Sep1726 in Matriz da Ribeira Grande, São Miguel, 
Açores.She was christened on 8 Sep 1726 in Matriz da Ribeira Grande, São 
Miguel,Açores. Fourth Generation   8. ManuelMelo  was born in Santo 
Espírito,Santa Maria, Açores. He married Ana Valle in Purificação, Santo 
Espírito, SantaMaria, Açores.   9. AnaValle  was born in Santo 
Espírito,Santa Maria, Açores.  10. JoãoPacheco Barbosa  was born in 
Maia,São Miguel, Açores. He married1  Lusia Moniz on 3 Feb 1712 in Matriz de 
VilaFranca, São Miguel, Açores. Translation of Highlights of 
marriagecertificateOn the third day of the month Feb1712in the Parish of S. 
Miguel, town of Vila Franca do Campo,( São Miguel) JoãoPacheco Barbosa from 
Maia, São Miguel, son of Manuel Brito and Maria Pacheco,married Lusia 
Moniz(Muniz), daughter of Manuel Fontes and of his wife Apoloniade Aguia.r 
living in the parish of Ribeira das Tainhas, São Miguel and baptizedin the 
Church of Santo Espirito, Santa Maria, Acores, his wife from NossaSenhora da 
Piedade.    11. LusiaMoniz  was born in Matriz de VilaFranca, São Miguel, 
Açores.  12. Tomeda Costa  was born about 1684 inMatriz da Ribeira Grande, 
São Miguel, Açores. He married Barbara Teixeira on 30Nov 1721 in Matriz da 
Ribeira Grande, São Miguel, Açores.     13. BarbaraTeixeira  was born on 5 Feb 
1682 inMatriz da Ribeira Grande, São Miguel, Açores.  14. Manuelda Costa  
was born in São Pedro,Ribeira Seca, São Miguel, Açores. He married Barbara 
Travassos on 13 Nov 1723in Matriz da Ribeira Grande, São Miguel, Açores.     
15. BarbaraTravassos  was born in Matriz daRibeira Grande, São Miguel, Açores.  
FifthGeneration 20. AlferesManuel de Brito Praiano was born in Estrela, 
Ribeira Grande, São Miguel,Açores. He married Maria Pacheco about 7 Aug 1669 in 
Espírito Santo, Maia, SãoMiguel, Açores.  21. MariaPacheco was born in 
Maia, São Miguel, Açores. She died before 16 Feb 1705.  22. ManuelFontes  
was born in Santo Espírito,Santa Maria, Açores. He married Apolonia de Aguiar 
on 23 May 1694 in PontaGarça, São Miguel, Açores.     23. Apoloniade Aguiar  
was born in Ponta Garça,São Miguel, Açores.Moradores na Ribeira das Tainhas.
 24. DomingosLopes  was born about 1660 in Matrizda Ribeira Grande, São Miguel, 
Açores. He married Beatriz da Costa on 31 Jan1682 in Matriz da Ribeira Grande, 
São Miguel, Açores.     25. Beatrizda Costa  was born in Matriz daRibeira 
Grande, São Miguel, Açores.  26. AndreTeixeira  was born in Matriz 
daRibeira Grande, São Miguel, Açores. He married Maria da Ponte.     27. 
Mariada Ponte  was born in Matriz daRibeira Grande, São Miguel, Açores.  
28. Inacioda Costa  was born in São Pedro,Ribeira Seca, São Miguel, Açores. He 
married Maria Dias.     29. MariaDias  was born in São Pedro, RibeiraSeca, São 
Miguel, Açores.  SixthGeneration 40. Pedrode Brito de Almeida  was born 
inEstrela, Ribeira Grande, São Miguel, Açores. He married Margarida Pais on 
15Jan 1645 in Estrela, Ribeira Grande, São Miguel, Açores.     41. 
MargaridaPais  was born in Estrela, RibeiraGrande, São Miguel, Açores.  42. 
AntonioMoniz Barbosa  was born in Fenais daAjuda, São Miguel, Açores. He 
married Ana de Medeiros Pacheco da Mota.     43. Anade Medeiros Pacheco da Mota 
 was bornon 4 Nov 0006 in Maia, São Miguel, Açores.  44. ManuelMonte  was 
born in Ponta Garça, SãoMiguel, Açores. He married Maria Velho.     45. 
MariaVelho  was born in Matriz de VilaFranca, São Miguel, Açores.  46. 
FelipeJorge  was born in Matriz de

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] ***** New Indexes added to Azores GenWeb

2017-08-15 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

Thank you for sharing your indices with us. Indices are invaluable, but they 
are compiled by human beings who are not infallible. The indices do provide us 
with "shortcuts", that is, based on the information provided we can quickly go 
to the records and verify the accuracy of the information provided in the 
index. For me they are an invaluable tool. Even Ernesto do Canto, the father of 
Azorean index compilers, made transcription errors in dates, names, places or 
origin, etc. Still, whenever possible I turn to him as a starting guide. You've 
done us a great service. Thank you.
John Miranda Raposo
 

On Tuesday, August 15, 2017 6:51 PM, Tammy Jesso  
wrote:
 

 As the person who provided the indexes for Graciosa. I will say this, indexes 
should only be used as a guide. I made these for my own personal use and 
thought others could benefit from them. I'm not offended by your words. Just 
thought I should respond :0)

Tammy Jesso

On Aug 15, 2017, at 2:01 PM, Margaret Vicente  wrote:



Kathy and Rosemarie,
I don't think there is any need to go on the defensive and I'm not here to make 
suggestions on anyone's work.  It was a mere heads up.
Cheers.
Margaret
 
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 15, 2017, at 12:14 PM, Kathy Andrade Cardoza  wrote:


No, in a perfect world, tools such as these indexes would be perfect with no 
inaccurate information no stumbling blocks, as you say. I have no real 
control over the accuracy of any material that is submitted to me. That 
includes previously published work and websitesI don't know the skill and 
abilities of the person doing the work. All I do know is that someone did the 
work and is willing to share it with others, like you. to be helpful. I 
have every reason to think that these submissions will be helpful to most 
people.
Perhaps you should make your suggestions to the person who did the work?
Kathy

On Tuesday, August 15, 2017 at 8:52:23 AM UTC-7, Mara wrote:
Personally I think tools should not mislead nor be a stumbling block for the 
newbie, but it's your call, Kathy.  
And thank you for taking the time to respond.
Margaret.
On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 11:43 AM, Kathy Cardoza  wrote:

Margaret
I honestly don’t know the answer to your question. The indexes were submitted 
to me and they were put on the Azores GenWeb as a TOOL to help researchers. I 
would use them as just that, a tool or aid to finding your ancestors. If there 
are errors, I’m sorry there are. But, honestly, most indexes, many online, have 
errors in them. Thank you for pointing it out.
Kathy
~~ ~~ ~~~
Visit the Azores GenWeb Project:
 http://www.rootsweb.com/~ azrwgw/index.html
~~ ~~ ~~~




On Aug 15, 2017, at 8:27 AM, Margaret Vicente  wrote:
Hi Kathy,
Thank you for the links.  I can imagine how much work was put into this but 
sorry for asking, were these indexes edited by someone who could proof for 
errors? 
I looked at the first and 2nd marriage record for Maia and the surname of the 
bride is incorrect. The brinde on the first record is Francisca da Ponte and 
the groom on the 2nd record is Manuel Pacheco, not Coelho.  same for the 
Groom's father.
Sorry but I thought you might like to know, since it's your webpage.
Take care,Margaret 



On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 12:49 AM, Kathy Cardoza  wrote:

Hi Everyone
I’ve added some new material to the Azores GenWeb. I hope you’ll find it 
helpful.!

Praia, Graciosa::Baptism (1754-1911) and Marriages (1791-1911) Indexes   
http://www.rootsweb. ancestry.com/~azrwgw/maps- churches-and-villages/ 
graciosa/graciosa-indexes.html
Lomba da Maia, Sao Miguel:Baptisms (1833-1905) and Marriages (1835-1905)  
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry. com/~azrwgw/maps-churches-and- 
villages/sao-miguel/sao- miguel-indexes.html
Maia, Sao Miguel :Marriages (1777-1905) http://www. 
rootsweb.ancestry.com/~azrwgw/ maps-churches-and-villages/ 
sao-miguel/sao-miguel-indexes. html

Kathy CardozaCoordinator, Azores GenWeb~~ 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] TAROUCA surname

2017-08-12 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

I know Teresa Tarouca is a well known fadista.
John
 

On Saturday, August 12, 2017 4:18 PM, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva 
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 Hi!Does 
anyone have data on the surname TAROUCA?I have Manuel Lopes Tarouca married to 
Ana Lopes. They had Duarte Lopes married to Josefa do Sacramento, 21.9.1765, in 
Porto Formoso: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1737-1820/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1737-1820_item1/P85.html
  Muito Obrigado,Eliseu Pacheco da Silva“Sharing is one of the most profitable 
human resources” Researching Açores (São Miguel and Graciosa) and Alentejo( 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Standardized names

2017-08-09 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

They are both correct. Agada is the older version of the name. 
 

On Wednesday, August 9, 2017 8:06 PM, Ângela Loura  
wrote:
 

 Ágata.Águeda is a place.
2017-08-09 18:21 GMT+01:00 Sme :

Agada or Agueda?   (femlale first name)


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] A child "presented" to Izabel Martins

2017-08-09 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

Actually it isn't strange. For a newborn foundling, you tried real hard to
place the child with somebody who was nursing; either a mother who had a baby
of her own or one whose baby had recently died. Otherwise the foundling would
likely not thrive without a supply of breast milk.
JMR

On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 8:06 PM, Maria Lima
wrote:

Wow! Izabel had a daughter which they named Maria and was baptized April
1-then a few pages later I find ANOTHER child baptized 1 June (also named
Maria) but her parents are Unknown. It says she was "presented" to Izabel
Martins, wife of Manoel da Costa.
How do I record this second Maria who is not biological child of the couple?
(Well, we don't know if she's the child of the father or some relative) when
this child was given to her to raise, she already had 5 of her own and the
youngest was two months old. Weird situation but maybe someone has more
insight.
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1673-1687/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1673-1687_item1/P103.html
Help?

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: The meaning of Era ut Supra

2017-07-30 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

>From Dicionario da Lingua Portuguesa (Fernando J. da Silva, Editorial Domingos 
>Barreira, Porto: 1955) Locucoes Latinas, Gregas e Estrangeiras (p. 1587.) Era 
>ut supra (Lat.) A data como acima. (English translation (mine) date as above.

John M. Raposo 

On Sunday, July 30, 2017 6:47 PM, Walt Teixeira  wrote:
 

 When I started doing genealogy in the Azores, I contacted a Catholic Priest on 
Graciosa about getting a copy of my grandmother's baptismal record.  Upon 
receiving it and working through the translation, I wrote back to him asking 
about the phrase Era ut Supra.  He said it means:  "what is stated above is 
true" (like a certification). 

On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 10:46:49 PM UTC-5, Azores Genealogy group wrote:
Looking for the meaning of Era ut supra. I believe it might be Latin for "true 
and correct" but not sure.  The words commonly appear on baptismal and marriage 
entries. Anyone like to comment?
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The meaning of Era ut Supra

2017-07-29 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

It is usually the very last sentence before the signature(s). It is Latin for 
"on the date stated above: era=date; ut=as; supra=above.   
John
 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rego Baldaias of Lagoa

2017-07-18 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

Thank you, Manuel, for sharing your research with us. I hope that I can return 
the kindness sometime. 

Several years ago, my cousin Diana Cestodio Silva self published her research 
on the descendants of Vital do Rego Baldaia and Jorge do Rego Baldaia. I am 
going to forward your e-mail to her; she may have some information that might 
be of interest. She'll be happy to know that your extensive research has 
confirmed her claim that Vital and Joseph were one and the same and that he is 
the son of Belchior and Maria Franca. At times it became a hotly debated point 
of contention.
Thank you again for your generosity.
John Miranda Raposo 

On Tuesday, July 18, 2017 1:12 PM, Manoel Cesar  wrote:
 

 Thanks John,
The date of her death is 14 Apr 1702.
Here is what I have so far about these ancestors of mine:
AhnentafelChart for Ana do Rego  First Generation   1. Ana do Rego  was 
born on 16 Jan 1666 in Rosário, Lagoa, São Miguel. Shedied after 1722.  Batismo 
- CCA #24. Filha de Vital doRego e Maria Henriques. Pd: Domingos Martins de 
Azevedo. (Obs.: Vital do Rego aparecedocumentado como José do Rego a partir de 
1675). Ana married Domingos Ferreira  son of Simão Roiz and Ana Ferreira on 23 
Apr 1689 in Rosário, Lagoa, SãoMiguel. Domingos wasborn on 5 Mar 1665 
inRosário, Lagoa, São Miguel. He died on 22 Mar 1722 in Rosário, Lagoa, São 
Miguel.   Second Generation   2. José do Rego  was born on 8 Aug 1637 in 
Rosário, Lagoa, São Miguel. He died on 20 Mar 1701 in Rosário, Lagoa, São 
Miguel. Hemarried Maria Henriques on 6 Jan 1658 in Rosário, Lagoa, São Miguel.  
José do Rego foi também conhecidocomo Vital do Rego. Foi batizado com o nome de 
Vital e o usou até 1672. A partir desta data oseu nome na documentação 
paroquial sempre aparece como José do Rego.  Batismo - n. 8.8.1637 e b. 
15.8.1637- CCA #67. Vital (Vitales) filho de Belchior Baldaia e Maria Franco. 
Pd: Gregório da Ponte eBeatriz de Medeiros mulher de Pedro Teixeira.Casamento - 
6.1.1658 - CCA #119.Vital do Rego e Maria Henriques. Ele é filho de Belchior 
Baldaia do Rego e Maria Franco. Ela é filhade Francisco Jorge e Madalena 
Rebelo. Óbito - CCA #130. José do Rego casadocom Maria Henriques. Não fez 
testamento por ser pobre. Foi sepultado na Ermida do ApóstoloSão Pedro anexa a 
esta paroquial de N. S. do Rosário. Filhos batizados no Rosário da Lagoa:. 
Maria, b. 17.11.1658 - CCA #159.Filha de Vital do Rego e Maria Henriques. Pd: 
Manuel do Rego e sua irmã Isabel Raposo. (Rosário daLagoa, 17.4.1675 - CCA 
#170, óbito de Maria Franco filha de José do Rego que lhe mandou dizer5 missas 
por sua alma).. Francisco, b. 11.4.1660 - CCA #167.Filho de Vital do Rego e 
Maria Henriques. Pd: Francisco Rebelo e Maria da Costa. (Rosário daLagoa, 
28.1.1690, casamento de Francisco do Rego filho de José do Rego e Maria 
Henriques comIsabel Fernandes filha de Miguel Roiz e Maria Fernandes).. Isabel, 
b.  21.1.1663 - CCA #178. Filha de Vital do Regoe Ana (sic) Henriques. Pd: 
Capitão Manuel Rebelo, e Maria da Costamulher de Manuel de Matos. (Rosário da 
Lagoa, 28.5.1685, casamento de Isabel do Rego filha deJosé do Rego e Maria 
Henriques com Manuel Travassos filho de Antonio Fernandes e CatarinaAlves. 
Isabel do Rego casou pela segunda vez aos 6.11.1688 - CCA #23, no Rosário da 
Lagoa,com Antonio de Frias filho de Valentim de Medeiros e Bárbara Fragoso).. 
Manuel, b.  24.2.1665 - CCA #13. Filho de Vital do Rego eMaria Henriques. Pd: 
Capitão Manuel Rebelo, e Maria Rebelo filha de TomazRebelo.. Ana, b. 16.1.1666 
- CCA #24. Filhade Vital do Rego e Maria Henriques. Pd: Domingos Martins de 
Azevedo.. Bárbara, b. 15.10.1669 - CCA #38.Filha de Vital do Rego e Ana (sic) 
Henriques. Pd: Manuel do Rego e Maria Rebelo filha de TomazRebelo.. Melchior, 
b. 10.4.1672 - CCA #53.Filho de Vital do Rego e Maria Henriques. Pd: Antonio 
Gouveia, barbeiro. . Sebastiana, b. 21.1.1675 - CCA #71.Filha de José do Rego e 
Maria Henriques. Pd: Manuel Lopes, sapateiro, e Ana do Rego filha deAntonio 
Pereira. (Obs.: Antonio Pereira filho de Manuel Pereira e Ana Fernandes casou 
com Isabel RaposoBaldaia filha de Belchior Baldaia do Rego e Maria Franco).. 
Domingos, b. 27.5.1678 - CCA #96.Filho de José do Rego e Maria Henriques. Pd: 
Manuel Rebelo filho de Tomaz Rebelo. (Obs.: TomazRebelo casou com Clara de 
Vasconcelos em 7.6.1648 - CCA #104 no Rosário da Lagoa. Ele é filhode Manuel 
Rebelo, sapateiro, e de Maria Roiz. Ela é filha de Belchior Baldaia do Rego e 
de MariaFranco).. Francisca, b. 2.12.1681 - CCA #122.Filha de José do Rego e 
Maria Henriques. Pd: Manuel Rebelo filho de Francisco Rebelo,pescador.. Simão, 
b. 2.11.1682 - CCA #127.Filho de José do Rego e Maria Henriques. Pd: Manuel de 
Medeiros filho de Mateus Barroso. 3. Maria Henriques  was born on 18 
Nov 1640 in Rosário, Lagoa, SãoMiguel. She died on 14 Apr 1702 in Rosário, 
Lagoa, São Miguel.  Batismo - CCA #80. Foi batizada emcasa, às pressas, por 
Jacinto de Sousa. Assistiram à

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rego Baldaias of Lagoa

2017-07-17 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

My relationship calculator indicates that Inacio is Vital/Joseph's uncle. Their 
common ancestors are Gaspar do Rego Baldaia and Clara Vasconcelos.
John 

On Monday, July 17, 2017 10:11 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
 wrote:
 

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these Rego Baldaia’s tie into the ones in Ribeira Grande? My 9th great 
grandfather is Ignacio do Rego Baldaia, he married Maria Alveres Senra sometime 
around 1630.  Rick  From: azores@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of JR
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 9:57 AM
To: Azores Genealogy
Cc: marra...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rego Baldaias of Lagoa  Thanks John. Some of 
the baptisms even reference the spouse as Anna Henriques. Four of the 
children's marriages reference Jose do Rego as father. Only one references 
Vital do Rego as father. Seven baptisms reference Vital Rego as father; four 
reference Jose do Rego. One thing is certain, there are no others in Lagoa with 
these names in the same time period.  JR  
On Monday, July 17, 2017 at 7:41:32 AM UTC-4, John Raposo wrote:This is one of 
those controversial lineages. I (and most of the genealogists that I have 
consulted both in the US and in the Azores) agree that Jose and Vital are one 
and the same person. However, whenever I do research that involves this family, 
I always add a footnote. After all the time that has passed, I doubt that we'll 
ever have proof one way or the other.  Sorry I cannot be of more help.  John  
On Monday, July 17, 2017 1:09 AM, JR  wrote:  Does anyone 
have information on the Rego Baldaia's of Lagoa? I am specifically trying to 
determine if Vital do Rego is same person as Jose do Rego. They both married a 
Maria Henriques in the same time period, about Jan 6- 1658, in Rosario, Lagoa. 
My feeling is they are the same person. He is son of Belchior do Rego Baldaia 
and Maria Franco, married Feb 22- 1622, Rosario de Lagoa. You can post or send 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rego Baldaias of Lagoa

2017-07-17 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

This is one of those controversial lineages. I (and most of the genealogists 
that I have consulted both in the US and in the Azores) agree that Jose and 
Vital are one and the same person. However, whenever I do research that 
involves this family, I always add a footnote. After all the time that has 
passed, I doubt that we'll ever have proof one way or the other.

Sorry I cannot be of more help.
John 

On Monday, July 17, 2017 1:09 AM, JR  wrote:
 

 Does anyone have information on the Rego Baldaia's of Lagoa? I am specifically 
trying to determine if Vital do Rego is same person as Jose do Rego. They both 
married a Maria Henriques in the same time period, about Jan 6- 1658, in 
Rosario, Lagoa. My feeling is they are the same person. He is son of Belchior 
do Rego Baldaia and Maria Franco, married Feb 22- 1622, Rosario de Lagoa. You 
can post or send me a PM.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sao Miguel, Ribeirinha, 1895 Marriage, Brides Father baptized?

2017-07-15 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

Leiria is not very far from Fatima. In fact, before Fatima became a Diocese of 
its own, it was part of the Diocese of Leiria. Leiria is a pretty good size 
city. It boasts the Castle of D. Dinis and is also the setting for Eca de 
Queiros's The Sin of Father Amaro. 

John Miranda Raposo


 

On Saturday, July 15, 2017 11:45 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
 wrote:
 

 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1890-1899/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1890-1899_item1/P98.html
 Marriage # 7 on left.  I am trying to figure out the village the bride’s 
father is from I can see Leiria.  It looks like city of Leiria. Does anyone 
know where this is? This is the first time I have seen this location.  
RickRichard Francis PimentelEpping, NH  Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sao Miguel, Bretanha, Sebastiao de Oliveira and Gertrudes da Rocha 1733

2017-07-11 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

It looks like I have a different couple with the same names:
Sebastiao de Oliveira, of Bretanha, son of Manuel de Oliveira Pimentel and 
Teresa de Jesus, married Gertrudes da Assuncao, daughter of Miguel de Sousa 
Cidadao and Maria de Paiva, in Rabo de Peixe on 4 Jun 1759.
John
 

On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 12:22 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
<rickredle...@gmail.com> wrote:
 

 John, That can't be correct. That is the date I have for the death of 
Sebastiao de Oliveira 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-O-1713-1778/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-O-1713-1778_item1/P82.html
  bottom right entry. I got that date and place from somewhere but when I 
looked I could not find it.

Rick

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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sao Miguel, Bretanha, Sebastiao de Oliveira and 
Gertrudes da Rocha 1733

They were married in Rabo de Peixe on 4 June 1749. 
 

    On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 11:29 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
<rickredle...@gmail.com> wrote:
  

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and Gertrudes da Rocha oi Gertrudes de Sousa da Rocha oi Gertrudes de Oliveira 
oi Gertrudes de Rocha Carvalha. The earliest record I have found is the birth 
of a son Joseph (Jose) 11 Jun 1733 in Bretanha.  I have found there were two 
Sebastiao de Oliveira’s in Bretanha at the same time fortunately their wives 
had very different names. It was also confusing because they both had sons name 
Jose de Oliveira. While I have searched the Bretanha Marriage book 1703-1779 I 
have not found the marriage (the book is all out of order), I feel the marriage 
must have taken place around 1731-32 based on the birth of their son Jose b. 11 
Jun 1733 and their ages based on their death dates.  I am afraid that if I 
cannot find a marriage I have hit a dead end. On the birth record it says they 
are from NS Ajuda in Bretanha as some other records indicate. This is the 
baptism of Jose on 11 Jun 1733 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-B-1726-1742/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-B-1726-1742_item1/P78.html
 upper left.  Should I just write this off as a dead end?    RickRichard 
Francis PimentelEpping, NH  Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada 
Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores    



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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sao Miguel, Bretanha, Sebastiao de Oliveira and Gertrudes da Rocha 1733

2017-07-11 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

They were married in Rabo de Peixe on 4 June 1749.

On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 11:29 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel
wrote:

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and Gertrudes da Rocha oi Gertrudes de Sousa da Rocha oi Gertrudes de Oliveira
oi Gertrudes de Rocha Carvalha. The earliest record I have found is the birth
of a son Joseph (Jose) 11 Jun 1733 in Bretanha. I have found there were two
Sebastiao de Oliveira’s in Bretanha at the same time fortunately their wives
had very different names. It was also confusing because they both had sons name
Jose de Oliveira. While I have searched the Bretanha Marriage book 1703-1779 I
have not found the marriage (the book is all out of order), I feel the marriage
must have taken place around 1731-32 based on the birth of their son Jose b. 11
Jun 1733 and their ages based on their death dates. I am afraid that if I
cannot find a marriage I have hit a dead end. On the birth record it says they
are from NS Ajuda in Bretanha as some other records indicate. This is the
baptism of Jose on 11 Jun 1733
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-B-1726-1742/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-B-1726-1742_item1/P78.html
upper left. Should I just write this off as a dead end? RickRichard
Francis PimentelEpping, NH Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada
Grande, Bretanha, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: S Miguel, Bretanha, 1765 marriage Jose de Oliveira

2017-07-05 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

Probably based on the reported age at death; obviously incorrect. Parents were 
married in 1741 which fits.
John
 

On Wednesday, July 5, 2017 5:19 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
<rickredle...@gmail.com> wrote:
 

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have #2  born in 1757 and married in 1765.  Rick  From: 'John Raposo' via 
Azores Genealogy [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 4:25 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: S Miguel, Bretanha, 1765 marriage Jose de 
Oliveira  Here is what I have in my data base. The research is that of George 
Pacheco, Dr, Miguel Soares da Silva as well as my own. Trust but verify! John  
Ahnentafel Chart for Child OliveiraFirst Generation  1. Child Oliveira .Second 
Generation   2. Jose Oliveira  was born about 1757 in Ajuda, Bretanha where he 
died on 8 Jul 1802. He married Maria da Conceição de Aguiar on 6 Apr 1765 in 
Ajuda.  3. Maria da Conceição de Aguiar was born in Ajuda. Third Generation   
4. Sebastião Oliveira was born about 1690 in Ajuda, Bretanha where he died on 
20 Dec 1760. He married Laurencia Botelho on 29 Jul 1741 in Santo Antonio além 
Capelas.   5. Laurencia Botelho was born about 1700 in Santo Antonio and died 
on 24 Dec 1776 in Remedios, Bretanha, São Miguel, Açores.    6. Manuel de 
Aguiar was born about 1721 in Ajuda, Bretanha, where he died on 2 Dec 1781.  He 
married Antonia Clara on 14 Apr 1746 in Ajuda.  7. Antonia Clara was born about 
1714 in Ajuda where she died on 13 Aug 1747. Fourth Generation   8. Manuel 
Oliveira da Costa was born about 1631 in Santo Antonio, where he died on 18 Jul 
1688. He married Margarida Melo Botelho on 18 Aug 1666.  9. Margarida Melo 
Botelho was born on 30 Aug 1645 in Santo Antonio where she died on 23 Apr 1717. 
 10. Pedro Pacheco Botelho was born about 1680 in Santo Antonio and died after 
1719. He married Maria Viveiros.  11. Maria Viveiros was born in Santo Antonio. 
   12. Pedro de Medeiros was born in Ajuda, Bretanha, and married Maria de 
Aguiar.  13. Maria de Aguiar was born in Ajuda, Bretanha.   14. Jose Fernandes 
Vasconcelos was born about 1669 in Ajuda, Bretanha where he died on 23 Jan 
1744. He married Barbara da Costa on 25 Jun 1704 in Ajuda. 15. Barbara da Costa 
was born about 1684 in Ajuda, Bretanha and died before 1744.       On 
Wednesday, July 5, 2017 1:28 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
<rickredle...@gmail.com> wrote:  Hi JR Could be Botelho abbreviated Bot ? 
Looking closer I think you are right the bride is Maria da Conceicao. He writes 
the letter A differently Look at April at the top. This record is

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: S Miguel, Bretanha, 1765 marriage Jose de Oliveira

2017-07-05 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

Here is what I have in my data base. The research is that of George Pacheco, 
Dr, Miguel Soares da Silva as well as my own. Trust but verify! John
Ahnentafel Chart for Child OliveiraFirst Generation  1. ChildOliveira 
.SecondGeneration   2. JoseOliveira  was born about 1757 inAjuda, Bretanha 
where he died on 8 Jul 1802. He married Maria da Conceição deAguiar on 6 Apr 
1765 in Ajuda.  3. Mariada Conceição de Aguiar was born in Ajuda. 
ThirdGeneration   4. SebastiãoOliveira was born about 1690 in Ajuda, 
Bretanha where he died on 20 Dec1760. He married Laurencia Botelho on 29 Jul 
1741 in Santo Antonio alémCapelas.   5. LaurenciaBotelho was born about 
1700 in Santo Antonio and died on 24 Dec 1776 inRemedios, Bretanha, São Miguel, 
Açores.    6. Manuelde Aguiar was born about 1721 in Ajuda, Bretanha, where 
he died on 2 Dec1781.  He married Antonia Clara on 14 Apr1746 in Ajuda.  7. 
AntoniaClara was born about 1714 in Ajuda where she died on 13 Aug 1747. 
FourthGeneration   8. ManuelOliveira da Costa was born about 1631 in Santo 
Antonio, where he died on 18Jul 1688. He married Margarida Melo Botelho on 18 
Aug 1666.  9. MargaridaMelo Botelho was born on 30 Aug 1645 in Santo 
Antonio where she died on 23Apr 1717. 10. PedroPacheco Botelho was born 
about 1680 in Santo Antonio and died after 1719.He married Maria Viveiros.     
11. MariaViveiros was born in Santo Antonio.   12. Pedrode Medeiros was 
born in Ajuda, Bretanha, and married Maria de Aguiar.     13. Mariade Aguiar 
was born in Ajuda, Bretanha.  14. JoseFernandes Vasconcelos was born about 
1669 in Ajuda, Bretanha where he diedon 23 Jan 1744. He married Barbara da 
Costa on 25 Jun 1704 in Ajuda.    15. Barbarada Costa was born about 1684 in 
Ajuda, Bretanha and died before 1744.   
 

On Wednesday, July 5, 2017 1:28 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
 wrote:
 

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JR  Could be Botelho abbreviated Bot ?  Looking closer I think you are right 
the bride is Maria da Conceicao. He writes the letter A differently Look at 
April at the top.  This record is clear in his writing of 1765  
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-C-1703-1779/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-C-1703-1779_item1/P163.html
 Left side.  His writing makes the sixty look like seventy.  Rick  From: 
azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of JR
Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 12:58 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: S Miguel, Bretanha, 1765 marriage Jose de 
Oliveira  April 6- 1775; Could be Sebastiao de Oliveira and Ludovina Bto? or 
Lourencia Bto? and Maria da Conceicao filha de Manoel de Frias? or Faria  JR

On Wednesday, July 5, 2017 at 12:26:34 PM UTC-4, Richard Francis Pimentel 
wrote:Hi this record is a real challenge and not for the faint hearted.  
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-C-1703-1779/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-C-1703-1779_item1/P162.html
 Left side. I spent a day looking for it because the pages are all out of order 
in this book. I definitely need more eyes  This is what I see. 6 Apr 1765, Jose 
de Oliveira son of Sebastiao de Oliveira (deceased) and Laur??? Bo??? Com Anna 
da Conceicao daughter of Manuel Faria and Antonia Clara  RickRichard Francis 
PimentelEpping, NH Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  
Bretanha, and Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores  -- 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Thomas Hickling

2017-07-05 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

You are most welcome. I am happy that I was able to help. Have you ever visited 
his grave in Ponta Delgada? I saw it last year. It is in the Protestant 
cemetery. His grave is up front on the right hand side right near the church 
itself. I am going to ask the State Department if it could arrange for an 
American flag to be placed on his grave.  

Best regards,
John Miranda Raposo 

On Tuesday, July 4, 2017 8:52 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
 

  Repost for Andrea Braga, riwsgallery at gmail.com

Thank you John for sharing this article. I'm a direct descendant of Thomas 
Hickling through his daughter Carlota Sofia (she was my 
great-great-great-grandmother), and this is the most concise information I've 
found on him.
Andrea 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Simao in the Azores

2017-07-03 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

Do you have more specifics? Which island, parish, what time frame? etc. I have 
done some extensive research on the Simas family (as has Doug Holmes da Rocha). 
The patriarch is Domingos de Simas (probably a Spanish hidalgo; we know he 
claimed to be an armiger). One of his sone went to Terceira and thos Simas 
spread out to the other islands. Simas, Simao, Simon??? Those names could be 
easily corrruped in  transcription. Let me know if I can help.
John Miranda Raposo
 

On Monday, July 3, 2017 4:38 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
 

 Repost for Fernando Horn Batista, fehorn at gmail.com

My great-great-grandfather was "Amaro José de Simas", but ... he was married to 
a Lady named "Maria Norberta da Conceição"(Surname equal to that of Rosa 
Joaquina Emilia Da Conceicao). They also come from the Azores and also say that 
the family came from England to the Azores because of religious persecution, 
which in fact the surname would be Simons (In English) and was translated on 
arrival in Azores. My great-uncle said that the family name was "Simão" (in 
Portuguese) and that they translated it wrong. As I'm a history teacher and 
seeing all the coincidences linked to the name, I perceive a GREAT chance of 
the family having Jewish origin and this would explain some changes of name, as 
the case of "Mendez" (Jewish name). I hope to be able to exchange information 
with everyone who wants. Thank you so much! See you-- 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] "The Wheel"

2017-06-27 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

He was registered as #1612, born/baptized 1878. It is likely a dead end. Had 
either parent come forward, their names would have appeared in Jacinto's 
marriage record or in the baptismal records of Jacinto's children. I wonder if 
Gordon has checked the children's birth and marriage records? 

Sometimes, as in the case of one of my foundling ancestors, the parentage is an 
open secret. Everybody knows but nobody makes a formal declaration. The details 
are murky. In the case of my foundling ancestor, born in 1820, it took a 
hundred years before the issue began to appear in print and almost another 50 
years before the whole matter was exposed in a book. Needless to say, her 
father was the village squire and prominent in society and in politics. Her 
mother had been a servant in her lover's father's house. 

John
 

On Tuesday, June 27, 2017 2:23 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
 

 Gordon,

Most likely it's a dead end. Especially since your grandfather was born in 1612 
(2nd time period).

Cheri



Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Gordon Soares  wrote:

My grandfather Jesse Ferreira’s baptism certificate says:

registo de nascimento de Jacinto n 1612, filho de pais ingênitos exposto na 
Roda de acidade de ponta Delgado a 2 Dez 1878; dado criar a Ana de Jesus, 
mulher de Joao Ferreira, moradora na freguesia de Sao Jose da mesma cidade.

registo de baptismo de Jacinto, exposto sob on n 1612, a 2 Dez 1878, na roda 
publica da cidade de Ponts Delgada, dado a criar a Ana de Jesus, mulher de Joao 
Ferreira de Sao Jose de mesma cidade, foi baptizado a 3 Dez. 1878, na matriz de 
Sao Sebastião, Ponta Delgada.

Am I at a dead end in finding anything more about Jesse (Jacinto) and his real 
parents? Elsewhere I have information that he was placed on the wheel at 8 am 
and adopted by Ana De Jesus and Joao Ferreira at 10 am.

Gordon Soares

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Carlos Melo Bento Book on Azorean origins

2017-06-10 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

Someone asked earlier this week if I knew thecontents of the  Melo Bento book 
which I amfinally able to do:Carlos Melo Bento: Origens Geográficas dos 
Açoreanos, Criativa, Ponta Delgada: 2015.Preface by Dr. José de Almeida Melo, 
Introduction by the author. Part I, pp. 9to 198, geographical origins of the 
settlers of the Azores, in alphabeticalorder (Africa to Zamora), with 
explanations of which settlers came from where.Sumptuously illustrated. Part 
II, pp. 199 to 244, an alphabetical listing  and overview of the earliest 
settlers: D.Pedro Abarca to António Zuzarte. Some illustrations. Index of place 
names andpeople.  Selected Bibliography. Single volume.I hope this helps.John 
Miranda Raposo

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] History of Azorean Surames Resources

2017-06-06 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

The book is readily available in Ponta Delgada (Sol Mar Bookstore, the airport 
book shop, etc., and from the author, Dr. Carlos Melo Bento, Rua da Cruz, 45,  
9500 Ponta Delgada, S. Miguel, Azores. E-mail: carlosmelobe...@hotmail.com. I 
think they were selling for 20 euros. Dr. Melo Bento is a lawyer with a very 
busy practice.

Hope this helps.
John Miranda Raposo 

On Monday, June 5, 2017 9:33 PM, Tish M <tish.me...@gmail.com> wrote:
 

 John,I tried finding it either in a library or for sale. I had no luck. Do you 
have any ideas where the book can be aquired?Tish Meals
On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 4:21 PM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy 
<azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

I highly recommend Melo Bento, Carlos Eduardo. Origens Geográficas dos Açores, 
Criativaçores, Ponta Delgada: 2015. It gives you not only places of origin but 
also the first person of the particular family name to come to the Azores.
John
 

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wrote:
 

 Hi Andrew, 
You should google that exact phrase Surname and their origin. Several sites 
will come up and aid you in your search. 

On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 2:12 PM Andrew Medeiros <amedeiros2...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi everyone,

I was wondering if anyone can tell me if there are any reputable resources, 
either in print or online, that provide detailed information about the history 
of Azorean surnames and their origins.  For example, I wanted to look up the 
history of my last name Medeiros, such as its meaning and where it came from.  
However, I am having a difficult time doing so.  Any suggestions?
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Al Gore, Former VP of USA

2017-06-06 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

Do we know any more? which parish, island, full name?
John
 

On Monday, June 5, 2017 11:55 PM, Nelia DiBiase  
wrote:
 

 Hi all,
Not sure if you're all aware but I just found out that Al Gore is of Azorean 
decent. 8th great grandfather was surname Medeiros from the Azores. 
You probably already knew...lol. I just found this out and was fascinated. For 
such a small group of islands Azorean descendants most certainly have had major 
impact in this great big world of ours. 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] History of Azorean Surames Resources

2017-06-05 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

I highly recommend Melo Bento, Carlos Eduardo. Origens Geográficas dos Açores, 
Criativaçores, Ponta Delgada: 2015. It gives you not only places of origin but 
also the first person of the particular family name to come to the Azores.
John
 

On Monday, June 5, 2017 6:08 PM, Google User  
wrote:
 

 Hi Andrew, 
You should google that exact phrase Surname and their origin. Several sites 
will come up and aid you in your search. 

On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 2:12 PM Andrew Medeiros  wrote:

Hi everyone,

I was wondering if anyone can tell me if there are any reputable resources, 
either in print or online, that provide detailed information about the history 
of Azorean surnames and their origins.  For example, I wanted to look up the 
history of my last name Medeiros, such as its meaning and where it came from.  
However, I am having a difficult time doing so.  Any suggestions?
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Empty March

2017-05-20 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

Lent and Easter were "closed" seasons in the church. That meant that except for 
special circumstances, e.g. the bride was pregnant, the groom was going off to 
war and wanted to marry the woman who could potentially be carrying his child, 
etc, etc, marriages were not performed. I remember that as an altar boy before 
Vatican II, I would note that marriages in the Lenten and Advent seasons were 
very quiet, low-keyed affairs. I knew of one case where the bride and groom had 
to apply to the Bishop for permission to marry in Advent; he was about to go 
off to war. Permission was granted. 

I hope this helps.
John
 

On Saturday, May 20, 2017 4:18 PM, 'Jeremy G. B-C' via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:
 

 Does anyone here have the vaguest notion as to why hardly anyone in the Azores 
got married in March?Just curious...
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] THOMAS HICKLING AND HIS WIFE SARAH FALDES - S. Miguel - Ponta Delgada

2017-04-28 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

Thanks!
John
 

On Friday, April 28, 2017 12:19 PM, nancy jean baptiste 
<fishsongf...@hotmail.com> wrote:
 

 #yiv7901047842 #yiv7901047842 --p 
{margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}#yiv7901047842 Thank you for sharing this with 
us! I always learn a great deal from your historical postings!
Best regards,Nancy Jean BaptistaFrom: 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy 
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Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 10:58:30 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] THOMAS HICKLING AND HIS WIFE SARAH FALDES - S. 
Miguel - Ponta Delgada Actually, Marilyn, you probably do but just haven't 
found him/her yet. Keep digging.
John Miranda Raposo


On Friday, April 28, 2017 11:46 AM, Marilyn Thompson <mari...@jmtmlt.com> wrote:


Thank you John for this wonderful and informative article. I wish I had someone 
important enough to have such a rich history of their lives.
Call me green with envy
Marilyn
On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 9:43 AM, Margaret Vicente<margaretvice...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

John, 
Wonderful article and so complete.  I will take me a while to digest it.  
May I email you privately as you may have the answer for my question with 
having all this background on the family?
Thank you so much!
Margaret




On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 10:40 AM, 'John Raposo' via Azores 
Genealogy<azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Margaret,
This is from an article I wrote many years ago.
Yankee Azoreans  John Miranda Raposo  This is not a work about the thousands of 
immigrants who have come to New England from the nine islands of the Azores. 
Rather, this work is primarily concerned with the descendants of Thomas 
Hickling, a Boston Yankee who settled on São Miguel and became the patriarch of 
a large clan on both sides of the Atlantic. Thomas Hickling was born in Boston 
on 21-2-1744 into the prosperous merchant family of William Hickling of 
Nottingham, England and Sarah Townsend Sale. At the age of eighteen, his father 
arranged an apprenticeship for him with the prosperous Green brothers and in 
1764 he married their sister, Sarah Emily Green, fifteen years his senior, in 
Boston's old Trinity Church.[1] There is some speculation that it was a 
marriage of convenience, arranged either for social or economic reasons, or 
both. In any event Hickling fulfilled his marital duty becoming the father of 
two children by his first wife. Catherine Green Hickling was born in Salem in 
1768 and William Green Hickling was born in 1765. Their father soon left his 
family and located to the Caribbean where he traded in molasses which he 
shipped back to his father's distillery in Boston.[2] He must have been an 
enterprising sort, for he perceived the commercial possibilities in the Azores 
because in 1769 be was living in Ponta Delgada. Thomas Hickling never returned 
to America and never lived anywhere else. He became one of the principal 
developers of the orange trade, the export of oranges to England, which became 
the basis for the colossal fortunes of many of São Miguel's socially prominent 
families and paid for the construction of many apalácio, those grand manor 
houses with their lovely English and French gardens still seen throughout the 
island. In 1820 Hickling exported nearly 5,700 crates or oranges and 2,000 
crates of lemons from Ponta Delgada. But the firm of his sons-in-law Ivens & 
Burnett exported over 11,000 crates.[3] At the height of the orange age 93% of 
the oranges produced in São Miguel were exported.  But the Hicklings and many 
other "gentlemen farmers" were brought to financial ruin at the end of the 
century when the orange trade came to an end, victim of a blight that first 
attacked the orange groves in 1834, again in 1860 and finally destroyed the 
remaining groves at the end of the century. The financial ruin resulted in a 
reduced standard of living for these "gentlemen farmers", many of whom could no 
longer afford the upkeep on their lovely homes and gardens. Many can still be 
seen in the suburbs surrounding Ponta Delgada and Lagoa, their dilapidated 
state a silent witness to both the greatness and the misery of the age.[4] News 
traveled slowly and it must have been months before Hickling learned that Sarah 
Green, the wife he had last seen twelve years earlier, had died in Boston in 
May of 1774. He could not have mourned her death very much for not long after, 
in February 1778, the young widower married Suzanne Sarah Falder of 
Philadelphia, fifteen years his junior. It must have been love at first sight 
since the young Sarah just happened to be passing through Ponta Delgada in the 
company of her father, Thomas Falder. Between the time of their marriage and 
1808 they produced 16 children, all born in São Miguel, including two sets of 
twins.[5] Thus, came into being the first generation of Yankee Azoreans. 
Throughout his lifetime on São Miguel, the Protestant Hickling was very 
ecumenical; whenever a Protestant min

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] THOMAS HICKLING AND HIS WIFE SARAH FALDES - S. Miguel - Ponta Delgada

2017-04-28 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

Actually, Marilyn, you probably do but just haven't found him/her yet. Keep 
digging.
John Miranda Raposo
 

On Friday, April 28, 2017 11:46 AM, Marilyn Thompson <mari...@jmtmlt.com> 
wrote:
 

 Thank you John for this wonderful and informative article. I wish I had 
someone important enough to have such a rich history of their lives.
Call me green with envy
Marilyn
On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 9:43 AM, Margaret Vicente <margaretvice...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

John, 
Wonderful article and so complete.  I will take me a while to digest it.  
May I email you privately as you may have the answer for my question with 
having all this background on the family?
Thank you so much!
Margaret




On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 10:40 AM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy 
<azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Margaret,
This is from an article I wrote many years ago.
Yankee Azoreans  John Miranda Raposo  This is not a work about the thousands of 
immigrants whohave come to New England from the nine islands of the 
Azores.Rather, this work is primarily concerned with the descendants of 
ThomasHickling, a Boston Yankee who settled on São Miguel and became the 
patriarch ofa large clan on both sides of the Atlantic. Thomas Hickling was 
born in Bostonon 21-2-1744 into the prosperous merchant family of  William 
Hickling of Nottingham, Englandand Sarah Townsend Sale. At the age of eighteen, 
his father arranged anapprenticeship for him with the prosperous Green brothers 
and in 1764 hemarried their sister, Sarah Emily Green, fifteen years his 
senior, in Boston's old Trinity Church.[1] There is some speculationthat it was 
a marriage of convenience, arranged either for social or economicreasons, or 
both. In any event Hickling fulfilled his marital duty becoming thefather of 
two children by his first wife. Catherine Green Hickling was born in Salem in 
1768 and WilliamGreen Hickling was born in 1765. Their father soon left his 
family and locatedto the Caribbean where he traded in molasses which he shipped 
back to hisfather's distillery in Boston.[2] He must have been anenterprising 
sort, for he perceived the commercial possibilities in the Azoresbecause in 
1769 be was living in Ponta Delgada. Thomas Hickling never returned to America 
andnever lived anywhere else. He became one of the principal developers of the 
orangetrade, the export of oranges to England,which became the basis for the 
colossal fortunes of many of São Miguel's socially prominent families and paid 
for the constructionof many a palácio, those grand manorhouses with their 
lovely English and French gardens still seen throughout theisland. In 1820 
Hickling exported nearly 5,700 crates or oranges and 2,000crates of lemons from 
Ponta Delgada.But the firm of his sons-in-law Ivens & Burnett exported over 
11,000crates.[3] At the height of the orange age 93% of the oranges producedin 
São Miguel were exported.  Butthe Hicklings and many other "gentlemen farmers" 
were brought tofinancial ruin at the end of the century when the orange trade 
came to an end,victim of a blight that first attacked the orange groves in 
1834, again in 1860and finally destroyed the remaining groves at the end of the 
century. Thefinancial ruin resulted in a reduced standard of living for 
these"gentlemen farmers", many of whom could no longer afford the upkeepon 
their  lovely homes and gardens. Manycan still be seen in the suburbs 
surrounding Ponta Delgada and Lagoa,  their dilapidated state a silent witness 
toboth the greatness and the misery of the age.[4] News traveled slowly and it 
must have been months beforeHickling learned that Sarah Green, the wife he had 
last seen twelve yearsearlier, had died in Bostonin May of 1774. He could not 
have mourned her death very much for not longafter, in February 1778,  the 
youngwidower married Suzanne Sarah Falder of Philadelphia,fifteen years his 
junior. It must have been love at first sight since the youngSarah just 
happened to be passing through Ponta Delgada in the company of her father, 
Thomas Falder.Between the time of their marriage and 1808 they produced 16 
children, all bornin São Miguel, including two sets of twins.[5] Thus, came 
into being thefirst generation of Yankee Azoreans. Throughout his lifetime on 
São Miguel,the Protestant Hickling was very ecumenical; whenever a Protestant 
minister wasunavailable at the frequent arrivals of new Hicklings, he had them 
baptized in theCatholic Church.[6] In 1776 Thomas Hickling was appointed 
American Vice Consulin Ponta Delgada,a post he held until his death some fifty 
years later. Hickling became sociallyprominent and popular for his sincerity 
and friendliness. His diplomatic andsocial positions on the island made him a 
natural good will ambassador whooften received and entertained visiting 
foreigners. Over the years his businessventures made him a fabulously wealthy 
man and he built three magnificentestates on the island. In 1792

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] THOMAS HICKLING AND HIS WIFE SARAH FALDES - S. Miguel - Ponta Delgada

2017-04-28 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

Margaret,
This is from an article I wrote many years ago.
Yankee Azoreans  John Miranda Raposo  This is not a work about the thousands of 
immigrants whohave come to New England from the nine islands of the 
Azores.Rather, this work is primarily concerned with the descendants of 
ThomasHickling, a Boston Yankee who settled on São Miguel and became the 
patriarch ofa large clan on both sides of the Atlantic. Thomas Hickling was 
born in Bostonon 21-2-1744 into the prosperous merchant family of  William 
Hickling of Nottingham, Englandand Sarah Townsend Sale. At the age of eighteen, 
his father arranged anapprenticeship for him with the prosperous Green brothers 
and in 1764 hemarried their sister, Sarah Emily Green, fifteen years his 
senior, in Boston's old Trinity Church.[1] There is some speculationthat it was 
a marriage of convenience, arranged either for social or economicreasons, or 
both. In any event Hickling fulfilled his marital duty becoming thefather of 
two children by his first wife. Catherine Green Hickling was born in Salem in 
1768 and WilliamGreen Hickling was born in 1765. Their father soon left his 
family and locatedto the Caribbean where he traded in molasses which he shipped 
back to hisfather's distillery in Boston.[2] He must have been anenterprising 
sort, for he perceived the commercial possibilities in the Azoresbecause in 
1769 be was living in Ponta Delgada. Thomas Hickling never returned to America 
andnever lived anywhere else. He became one of the principal developers of the 
orangetrade, the export of oranges to England,which became the basis for the 
colossal fortunes of many of São Miguel's socially prominent families and paid 
for the constructionof many a palácio, those grand manorhouses with their 
lovely English and French gardens still seen throughout theisland. In 1820 
Hickling exported nearly 5,700 crates or oranges and 2,000crates of lemons from 
Ponta Delgada.But the firm of his sons-in-law Ivens & Burnett exported over 
11,000crates.[3] At the height of the orange age 93% of the oranges producedin 
São Miguel were exported.  Butthe Hicklings and many other "gentlemen farmers" 
were brought tofinancial ruin at the end of the century when the orange trade 
came to an end,victim of a blight that first attacked the orange groves in 
1834, again in 1860and finally destroyed the remaining groves at the end of the 
century. Thefinancial ruin resulted in a reduced standard of living for 
these"gentlemen farmers", many of whom could no longer afford the upkeepon 
their  lovely homes and gardens. Manycan still be seen in the suburbs 
surrounding Ponta Delgada and Lagoa,  their dilapidated state a silent witness 
toboth the greatness and the misery of the age.[4] News traveled slowly and it 
must have been months beforeHickling learned that Sarah Green, the wife he had 
last seen twelve yearsearlier, had died in Bostonin May of 1774. He could not 
have mourned her death very much for not longafter, in February 1778,  the 
youngwidower married Suzanne Sarah Falder of Philadelphia,fifteen years his 
junior. It must have been love at first sight since the youngSarah just 
happened to be passing through Ponta Delgada in the company of her father, 
Thomas Falder.Between the time of their marriage and 1808 they produced 16 
children, all bornin São Miguel, including two sets of twins.[5] Thus, came 
into being thefirst generation of Yankee Azoreans. Throughout his lifetime on 
São Miguel,the Protestant Hickling was very ecumenical; whenever a Protestant 
minister wasunavailable at the frequent arrivals of new Hicklings, he had them 
baptized in theCatholic Church.[6] In 1776 Thomas Hickling was appointed 
American Vice Consulin Ponta Delgada,a post he held until his death some fifty 
years later. Hickling became sociallyprominent and popular for his sincerity 
and friendliness. His diplomatic andsocial positions on the island made him a 
natural good will ambassador whooften received and entertained visiting 
foreigners. Over the years his businessventures made him a fabulously wealthy 
man and he built three magnificentestates on the island. In 1792 he was living 
on Rua da Misericórdia. His first manor house with a curved northernside and 
curved outer steps leading to what must have been a magnificent lawn,was built 
in Rosto do Cão in the parish of São Roque on the outskirts of PontaDelgada.[7] 
 In 1812 he began building the Palácio de São Pedro. Built in theGeorgian 
colonial style, it cost Hickling nearly $30,000.00, a huge fortune atthe time 
and it was considered the grandest private residence on the islandwell into the 
second half of the 19th century.[8] It still stands today atthe water's edge in 
the eastern end of Ponta Delgada as the Hotel São Pedro,the grand dame of 
hotels, lovinglypreserved and filled with period furniture, by its late 
proprietor, VascoBensaúde. But it is Hickling’s TerraNostra park and botanical 
gardens in Furnas that stands as a

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation Help - Ginetes - Nicolau Francisco

2017-04-27 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

That is exactly it, he was a foundling given to be fostered by.
 

On Thursday, April 27, 2017 12:36 AM, Theresa Entin 
 wrote:
 

 I don’t know what this means. 

 I can basically read the marriage certificate.  The issue I am having is, 
after the name of the groom, it says Pais Incognito, but then it says ………. 
Maria Jacinta wife of Manuel Medeiros from Lomba do Gago S. Jose.  

Is this his adopted mother? 

Right Side 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-C-1849-1860/SMG-PD-GINETES-C-1849-1860_item1/P54.html

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Marriage record of Manuel (Faria) Cabral & Maria de Oliveira in Rabo de Peixe, Ribeira Grande, São Miguel

2017-04-14 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

You are welcome!
 

On Friday, April 14, 2017 11:08 AM, Thea  wrote:
 

 John, this is exciting.  Thank  you fro replying.  I am on my way out of the 
house for a couple of days and will get back to you.  I had found this Manoel 
and Maria and their children and followed the line, but I finally decided it 
wasn't them for a couple of reason.  I will get my thoughts together and get 
back to you.  Speaking about Madeira, some of children or grandchildren went to 
Madeira.
Again, thanks for the help.Thea

On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 11:34:08 PM UTC-7, JR wrote:
http://culturacores.azores. gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG- 
RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1700-1759/ SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1700- 1759_item1/P15.html
Dec 27- 1702, Manoel Cabral de Teve cc Maria de Farya. He is filho de Manoel 
Cabral Velho and Barbara Ferreira; she is filha de Andre de Farya and Maria da 
Sylva, todos desta freg. e nella moradores.
JR

On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 11:55:50 PM UTC-4, Thea wrote:
Hello fellow sleuths,
I am searching for the marriage record of Manuel (Faria) Cabral & Maria de 
Oliveira in Rabo de Peixe, Ribeira Grande, São Miguel.  Here they are mentioned 
in Joseph de Faria & Barbara Tavares’ marriage on 20 Feb 1737 (Manuel Faria & 
Maria de Oliveira are the parents of Joseph de Faria) — left side.  
http://culturacores.azores. gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG- 
RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1700-1759/ SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1700- 1759_item1/P200.html
Well, I’ve poured through the marriage records for Rabo de Peixe and can’t find 
them there or in many of the surrounding parishes (that does not mean that the 
record is not there).  Could something else be written in this document that 
might lead me to another parish?
I also have them as a couple in Rabo de Peixe in their daughter, Maria’s 
marriage to Tome Alvarez in Rabo de Peixie, 19 Feb 1726 right (right side). 
http://culturacores.azores. gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG- 
RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1700-1759/ SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1700- 1759_item1/P117.html
I have searched for the births of these children, Joseph de Faria and Maria 
Cabral, and have not found them in Rabo de Peixe or surrounding parishes.
I found Manuel Cabral’s death record in Rabo de Peixe:  18 Sep 1755; +/- 70 yrs 
old (right side)http://culturacores.azores. gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG- 
RG-RABODEPEIXE-O-1745-1758/ SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-O-1745- 1758_item1/P89.htmlYes, 
the above leads me to a birth of a Manuel (11 Dec 1680), but I cannot go there 
without any other proof.
The help I would like after looking at these records, are there any other clues 
for finding a marriage record of Manuel Cabral and Maria de Oliveira AND/OR are 
there any other clues where I might find the births of their two children, 
Joseph de Maria and Maria Cabral.  
Thank you so much, in advance, for looking at these records.Thea Norum

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Marriage record of Manuel (Faria) Cabral & Maria de Oliveira in Rabo de Peixe, Ribeira Grande, São Miguel

2017-04-14 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

This couple are my ancestors my ancestors. Some of their lineage goes back to
Solanda Lopes and her husband who came to S. Miguel from Madeira.
John Miranda Raposo

On Friday, April 14, 2017 2:34 AM, JR wrote:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1700-1759/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1700-1759_item1/P15.html
Dec 27- 1702, Manoel Cabral de Teve cc Maria de Farya. He is filho de Manoel
Cabral Velho and Barbara Ferreira; she is filha de Andre de Farya and Maria da
Sylva, todos desta freg. e nella moradores.
JR

On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 11:55:50 PM UTC-4, Thea wrote:
Hello fellow sleuths,
I am searching for the marriage record of Manuel (Faria) Cabral & Maria de
Oliveira in Rabo de Peixe, Ribeira Grande, São Miguel. Here they are mentioned
in Joseph de Faria & Barbara Tavares’ marriage on 20 Feb 1737 (Manuel Faria &
Maria de Oliveira are the parents of Joseph de Faria) — left side.
http://culturacores.azores. gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1700-1759/ SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1700- 1759_item1/P200.html
Well, I’ve poured through the marriage records for Rabo de Peixe and can’t find
them there or in many of the surrounding parishes (that does not mean that the
record is not there). Could something else be written in this document that
might lead me to another parish?
I also have them as a couple in Rabo de Peixe in their daughter, Maria’s
marriage to Tome Alvarez in Rabo de Peixie, 19 Feb 1726 right (right side).
http://culturacores.azores. gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1700-1759/ SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1700- 1759_item1/P117.html
I have searched for the births of these children, Joseph de Faria and Maria
Cabral, and have not found them in Rabo de Peixe or surrounding parishes.
I found Manuel Cabral’s death record in Rabo de Peixe: 18 Sep 1755; +/- 70 yrs
old (right side)http://culturacores.azores. gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
RG-RABODEPEIXE-O-1745-1758/ SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-O-1745- 1758_item1/P89.htmlYes,
the above leads me to a birth of a Manuel (11 Dec 1680), but I cannot go there
without any other proof.
The help I would like after looking at these records, are there any other clues
for finding a marriage record of Manuel Cabral and Maria de Oliveira AND/OR are
there any other clues where I might find the births of their two children,
Joseph de Maria and Maria Cabral.
Thank you so much, in advance, for looking at these records.Thea Norum
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Blayer/Bliaer

2017-04-08 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

The closest I recall is Baldaia (bahl-die-uh)
 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Records for Sete Cidades, Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel

2017-04-06 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

The parish of S. Nicolau-Sete Cidades is a relatively new creation. The current 
parish was once divided in parts to the surrounding parish, i.e. Bretanha, 
Mosteiros, Ginetes, etc., depending on the time period.
John
 

On Wednesday, April 5, 2017 10:00 PM, vroque  wrote:
 

 
I have had no luck finding information records for Sao Nicolau. Does anyone 
know where I can find this. I have looked on the CCA but the church is not 
listed. 

Thanks
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Meaning of "filho familias

2017-04-01 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

That is exactly what it means.
John Miranda Raposo
 

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 What is the exact meaning when the term "filho familias de" is used in a 
record?  Does it mean "the child of"?

Example: "foipadrinho Francisco de Sousa filho familias de Antonio de Sousa"
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for information on my grandmother's parents. Mother's name was Marie G Reposa/Reposo/Repozo

2017-03-28 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

Christine, 

The Dukes of Braganca were (in the 19th century) the oldest son of the King, 
and heirs to the Portuguese throne. They are historical figures and their 
history is well known. Their family name in the time of your ancestors was 
Saxe-Coburgo-Gotha, the name they got when D. Maria II (reigned: 1826-1853) 
married (1836) Fernando de Saxe Coburgo, but the dynasty was the 2nd Braganca 
dynasty. There is no Raposo married to a Braganca in the extensive genealogies 
of the Bragancas, not even among illegitimate descendants. Had your grandmother 
been a blood relative of the Bragancas living in the Azores, her existence and 
lineage would have been well known and documented. In addition there is an 
excellent book (Mendes, António Ornelas and JorgeForjaz, ombo Heràldico dos 
Açores:Cartas de Brasão de Armas. Caixa Económica daMisericórdia, Angra do 
Heroísmo: 2014.) which lists every single coat-of-arms that was ever granted to 
a resident of the Azores and your grandmother is not there.

We all have these legends in our families, myself included. There are many 
Azoreans who can legitimately trace their lineage back to a Portuguese King, 
usually Fernando I or Afonso III. Closer claims (I remember one lady on this 
list who claimed that her grandmother was the sister of D. Amelia, last queen 
of Portugal, but such claims are easily dismissed) are rare and difficult to 
prove.
I hope that you can trace down your ancestors. It may be that they are 
descendants of Afonso III but a more recent connection is unlikely and will be 
very difficult to document.
Let me know if I can help.
John Miranda Raposo


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 We are looking for any information on our grandmother's parents who were born 
in the Azores Islands, Portugual , Mother's name was Marie G 
Reposo/Repozo/Reposa, she was born in 1872.  She married John Reposa in 1892 in 
Portugual.  They left the Azores and went to the Hawaiian Islands (Sandwich 
Islands) They both were living in Hilo, Hawaii in the 1900"s.  Their daughter, 
Maria Mae Raposa was born in 1898 in Hilo, Hawaii.
Any information would be so helpful.  
Our grandmother and aunt and uncle went to Lisbon, Portugal in the late 70's 
(not sure of the date) to claim and pick up our family crest and coat of arms 
as we are related to nobility.  But it has been so many years that have passed 
and my aunts and uncle and grandmother have passed and we are unable to located 
the family crest and paperwork pertaining to our heritage..  My grandmother was 
a Duchess and her first born son was a Duke.in the house of Braganza, we 
believe.  
Would like to know whom/what do we contact to find out information.
Thank you,Christine
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Mount Carmel in New Bedford, Massachusetts

2017-03-27 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

Would that be Father John Mendonca from Fall River?
John Miranda Raposo
 

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 Let me have it Cheri.  I'll give it a try. I know Fr. Jack casually.  He's an 
acquaintance of my brother who is a priest in Toronto.
On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 12:36 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

I called and emailed the church secretary at Mount Carmel in New Bedford 2 
months ago. I requested a marriage and specified that I really needed the 
information that said where the bride and groom were born. She never fulfilled 
my request.

So is anyone going there who can ask Fr. Oliveira to look up the marriage in 
the book and read it to you while you take notes? Email me and I'll provide the 
particulars. I don't need 5 people all asking them the same thing.

Thanks, Cheri
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: where

2017-03-18 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

In S. Miguel there are two parishes (Faja de Baixo and Agua de Pau) named for 
Nossa Senhora dos Anjos (our Lady of the Angels) which is synonymous with our 
Lady of the Assumption (Nossa Senhora da Assuncao). The Latin "Agnus"  
translates as lamb as in "Agnus Dei". The chapel which Columbus and his men 
visited in Santa Maria on their way back to Spain was dedicated to our Lady of 
the Angels. None of this probably helps.
John
 

On Saturday, March 18, 2017 12:26 PM, Margaret Vicente 
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 You're misreading? I pointed him to similar names and asked him to check the 
spelling? there was no intent of direction. He probably doesn't have an island 
thus the question.  In any case, I offered best I could.
cheers
On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 12:22 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

Yes, I know there's a N.S. do Rosario in the freguesia of Lagoa in the council 
of Santa Cruz on the island of Sao Miguel. But Paul hasn't stated an island. 
And you want him to look on Santa Maria island? I just don't follow the logic 
here. 

Cheri Mello
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Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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Cheri, There is in Lagoa, S. Miguel.  In the 1700's Rosario was part of Santa 
Cruz.  Where there is the Porto dos Carneiros or Agnes in latin old writing.
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I think I know the location based on your description. Would it be possible for 
you to post the record so we can have a look at the rest of it, and in this way 
offer a better assessment?
On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 11:47 AM, pjm47  wrote:

Thanks ,the record is very old 1720 and it looks like the church is Rosario in 
that Porto dos Annos and is in a baptism record from Santa Cruz

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I have a translation that says the family comes from Porto dos Annos and 
wondering if anyone here knows what parish or town that would be in.  Thanks
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Infant mortality rates 1700's - Azores

2017-03-11 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

The infant mortality rate was high in all the islands (and was probably high in 
the whole world; in America most families lost more than one child. If you walk 
through an old New England cemetery where people often had family plots, you'll 
see many small markers in the form of lambs marking the graves of the babies 
that never made it) but the mortality rate for foundlings was scandalously high.
John 
 

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Is it just Sao Jorge or did all the islands of the Azores have high mortality 
rates in the late 1700's?It just aches my heart when looking through Obits and 
seeing so many for your children (birth to 10 years old).
I've been trying to Google it but having a hard time finding out why ...
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese Civil Registry- Ordering

2017-03-10 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

If it is 1908 it is likely on line and you can look it up yourself.
JMR
 

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 My attempt ran into a couple of issues:Required fields1. Individuals date of 
birth must be 1917 or greater, I needed 19082. Must know parents names, which 
is one thing I'm trying to obtain.
Oh well.
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Yes, I have dual citizenship and have my Portuguese ID card.  I wasn't sure if 
you could order documents which are not your immediate family.  I'll give it 
try.  Just have to figure out how to navigate that site.  I ordered my son's 
birth certificate via the internet in the early 2000's with the help of the 
Portuguese Consulate in New Bedford.
Thanks Cheri, see you in Salt Lake!
On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 12:52 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

I *think* this is it: 
https://www.portaldocidadao.pt /web/instituto-dos-registos-e- 
do-notariado/registo-civil-cer tidao-de-nascimento

Not sure of the years it covers. Also, I seem to remember that you need to be a 
Portuguese citizen to obtain a record. 
Cheri

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How does one go about ordering records from the Portuguese Civil Registry? 
Online or snail mail?

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] ST Francis habits

2017-03-06 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

for
> the repose of the deceased members. The Irmandade dos Caixões, (the 
> Brotherhood
> of the Coffins) was a predecessor to the "Benevolent Associations" whereby
> one prepaid one's funeral; i.e., you paid your annual dues and when you 
> died you
> were supplied with a coffin.
>
> As for the obligation of the family to have a certain number of masses
> offered for the repose of the deceased, that was a testamentary 
> obligation. In other
> words, the deceased left his estate to his children on condition that they
> arranged for a certain numbers of Masses to be offered for the repose of 
> the
> testator's soul. You can usually tell how well off someone was by the 
> number of
> Masses they arranged for themselves.
>
> The "Ofício" is the Office or Divine Liturgy, the prayers that every 
> priest
> is still required to say daily, morning, noon, evening and night. A priest
> could recite the Office for the Dead, or offer his daily office, for the 
> repose of
> the deceased.
>
> "Cantoria" would mean a sung high Mass (those of us born before Vatican II
> know what that means: the priest sang the Mass as opposed to mumbling it 
> in
> Latin).
>
> Until the time of the Marquês de Pombal, the deceased were interred 
> beneath
> the floors of the parish church. Prominent families had reserved graves; 
> thus
> someone might be buried in his grandfather's grave, beneath the chapel of 
> Our
> Lady of Sorrows, etc. (It is a wonderful way to research dead ends; i.e. 
> you
> can't find s birth or marriage record but you find a death records that 
> says the
> deceased was buried in the grave of her grandfather, Afonso Ledo). After 7
> years, the graves were recycled. Lime was used liberally to assist in
> decomposition. In village cemeteries today, graves are still recycled and 
> lime is still
> liberally applied. The adage "já levou a sua camada de cal." (He' s gotten 
> his
> dose of lime.) is a way of saying that someone has died and is already
> buried.
>
> As for shrouds, the saddest example I have is that of an ancestor whom the
> neighbors "wrapped in the sheet on which she died because she was so poor 
> she
> had no clothes in which to be laid out." I can only hope those same
> compassionate neighbors said a Pater and an Ave for the repose of her soul 
> and remembered
> her at Mass.
>
> The subject may be morbid, but perfectly natural. On my trips to S. Miguel 
> I
> always walk the Cemetery of S. Joaquim in Ponta Delgada. Sometimes I see 
> an
> exhumation, i.e. the removal of some bones into an ossuary and I've been 
> greeted
> by more than one smile (or grimace) of a skull inadvertently left exposed 
> in
> an open grave.  I'll bet Susan Vargas Murphy asked questions that many 
> people
> have but have been too afraid to ask. And  many thanks to Eloise Cadinha 
> for
> opening the door.
>
> John Miranda Raposo
>
>
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<azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:  Gordon,  Roman Catholics believe that the 
sentences of souls to purgatory can be shortened by Masses arranged to be 
offered on their behalf as well as good works (corporal and spiritual works of 
mercy) done on their behalf. I do not think there is another way of explaining 
it. So, if your father dies, recognizing that he was not perfect and that his 
soul might be languishing in purgatory waiting for release, you might arrange 
for Masses to be offered for his release from purgatory and you might feed the 
poor, clothe the naked, give drink to the thirsty, care for the sick, give 
shelter to the homeless, etc, etc, etc, on his behalf in order to shorten his 
stay in purgatory.  John Miranda Raposo  On Sunday, March 5, 2017 6:45 PM, 
Gordon Soares <gs...@centurylink.net> wrote:  I wonder if anyone knows the 
significance of being buried in the habit of St. Francis in the 1600-1800 
burials. It is often said that the person was carried to the grave in the habit 
of St Francis lead by the priest and the Friars of St. Francis. 
The person often had a will and indicated that they would like 30 masses for 
their soul and maybe 20 masses for their ‘intention”.  Can someone tell me what 
ws meant by “intention”?

I know I have written this before but its a detail that continues to “bug me” 
and someone out there can help me put it to rest. :)

Gordon

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] ST Francis habits

2017-03-05 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

Gordon,
Roman Catholics believe that the sentences of souls to purgatory can be 
shortened by Masses arranged to be offered on their behalf as well as good 
works (corporal and spiritual works of mercy) done on their behalf. I do not 
think there is another way of explaining it. So, if your father dies, 
recognizing that he was not perfect and that his soul might be languishing in 
purgatory waiting for release, you might arrange for Masses to be offered for 
his release from purgatory and you might feed the poor, clothe the naked, give 
drink to the thirsty, care for the sick, give shelter to the homeless, etc, 
etc, etc, on his behalf in order to shorten his stay in purgatory.
John Miranda Raposo
 

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wrote:
 

 I wonder if anyone knows the significance of being buried in the habit of St. 
Francis in the 1600-1800 burials. It is often said that the person was carried 
to the grave in the habit of St Francis lead by the priest and the Friars of 
St. Francis. 
The person often had a will and indicated that they would like 30 masses for 
their soul and maybe 20 masses for their ‘intention”.  Can someone tell me what 
ws meant by “intention”?

I know I have written this before but its a detail that continues to “bug me” 
and someone out there can help me put it to rest. :)

Gordon

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] ST. Francis dress at burials

2017-03-01 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

Your ancestors were members of the Franciscan Third Order, known today as Lay 
Franciscans. They still exist today, even in the US, and many still opt to take 
the brown robe to the grave. There are other lay orders whose members wear 
their distinctive habbits to the grave.
John Miranda Raposo
 

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 Does anyone know the significance of the deceased being buried in the habit of 
St. Francis? I have several documents of my ancestors being buried with the 
sacraments and requesting that they be buried in the “habit of St. Francis” and 
then being carried to the grave with the priests and followed by the Friars of 
St. Francis. 

Gordon Soares

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores Visit

2017-02-26 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

I fly SATA all the time. They have improved greatly and except for the uniforms 
of the cabin crew and the exterior design of the plane, you'd be hard pressed 
to  differentiate SATA from TAP. Unfortunately, neither airline serves the 
great meals that TAP used to serve, and the bar service is almost non-existent. 
I have never had a problem with baggage.
John
 

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 I haven't flown SATA recently. Maybe I did about 10 years ago. They were fine 
at the American airport and in the air. But when I landed over thereI think 
they were all on lunch break. It took a very long time to get the baggage. 
Other than that, I didn't have problems, but like I said, that was 10 or more 
years ago.   Cheri

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Records of São Matheus, ponta Delgada

2017-02-18 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

It was a charity hospital much like a hospice. My great grandmother died there. 
It used to be located in the old Franciscan convent right next door to the S. 
Jose/S. Mateus church in Ponta Delgada. It has also been located in other 
places as well, but in the same vicinity.
 

On Saturday, February 18, 2017 9:47 AM, Maria Lima 
<maria.lima...@gmail.com> wrote:
 

 Thank you all for info on Sao Matheus.  Margaret, I'm thinking about visiting 
the Azores and this information helps if we get there to visit these places.  I 
have one ancestor who died in the Casa de Misericórdia (or was buried there).  
Was that a hospital?
Thank you so much.

Maria Elena 
On Feb 17, 2017, at 9:46 PM, Margaret Vicente <margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:


There was a church of S. Mateus in Ponta Delgada. It was not the same church as 
Sao Jose, and it was located no Largo Martires da Patria, or Campo da 
Conceicao. It no longer exists as it was demolished and gave place to the 
garden of Padre Jose Joaquim de Sena Freitas.
Because the Parish grew quickly a bigger church was built to the east of the S. 
Mateus church, in the Campo de Sao Francisco ( S. Francisco's square) situated 
on the north side of the hospital, Santa Casa da Misericordia. The new church 
was initially named Santa Clara and later renamed Sao Jose.  You will find 
records mentioning all these three churches.
Sao Mateus records were moved to the new church of Santa Clara, later called 
Sao Jose and remaining as such to present day.



On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 10:00 PM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy 
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Yes, it was originally S. Mateus before it became S. Jose.
John Miranda Raposo
 

On Friday, February 17, 2017 8:42 PM, Antonio Raposo 
<antorap...@hotmail.com> wrote:
 

  São José
(Formerly St. Clare and then St. Matthew)

https://repositorio.uac.pt/ bitstream/10400.3/382/1/ Susana_Costa_p61-77.pdf

Le vendredi 17 février 2017 19:58:48 UTC-5, Maria a écrit :
Does anyone know if the church of São Matheus is now São José on Ponta Delgada? 
   I have a person who was baptized in São Matheus but I don't see any records 
for such a church.

Maybe it has another name now?   Thanks . 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Records of São Matheus, ponta Delgada

2017-02-17 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

Yes, it was originally S. Mateus before it became S. Jose.
John Miranda Raposo
 

On Friday, February 17, 2017 8:42 PM, Antonio Raposo 
 wrote:
 

  São José
(Formerly St. Clare and then St. Matthew)

https://repositorio.uac.pt/bitstream/10400.3/382/1/Susana_Costa_p61-77.pdf

Le vendredi 17 février 2017 19:58:48 UTC-5, Maria a écrit :
Does anyone know if the church of São Matheus is now São José on Ponta Delgada? 
   I have a person who was baptized in São Matheus but I don't see any records 
for such a church.

Maybe it has another name now?   Thanks . 

Maria Elena 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for our ancestors who migrated from Azore Islands to Hawaii

2017-02-12 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

Dear Caroline,Greetings!The name would probably have been Raposo da Costaand 
you should certainly continue to search for your ancestry. But I would like to 
save you from disappointment. Ihave been researching Azorean genealogies for at 
least 25 years and I have takenon many research projects over the years. As 
part of my research I have becomevery familiar with Azorean nobility. The title 
of Duke was never conferred uponany Azorean (except for non-Azoreans who helped 
D. Maria II take back Terceir in the struggle with her uncle D. Miguel.) 
Marquês was considered the most prestigious of Azorean titles.Other titles 
included Conde, Visconde, Barão. Rarely did these propertied noblesemigrate. 
(The Barão das Laranjeiras did re-locate to Brazil and died there,but was 
brought back for burial). In only other two cases did I find noblemen(Visconde 
de Vale da Costa;  lived in theUS, and that is because he was appointed 
Portuguese Consul to Boston and didnot return to Portugal and the Visconde de 
Porto Martim who emigrated toBrazil) who emigrated; neither one was from S. 
Miguel. Vale da Costa hasdescendants in the Framingham area.Most nobles would 
have been granted a coat of armsalthough there are some exceptions. Those 
coats-of-arms are all detailed andillustrated in Tombo Heráldico dos 
Açores:Cartas de Brasão de Armas – Heráldica Episcopal, António Ornelas Mendes 
andJorge Forjaz, (Caixa Económica da Misericórdia, Angra do Heroísmo: 2014.) 
Thereis no Raposo da Costa from S. Miguel in the book. An exhaustive sourcefor 
all Portuguese noble titles is Afonso Eduardo Martins Zúquete, António 
Sérgioand António Machado de Faria, Nobreza dePortugal e do Brazil, Editorial 
Enciclopédia, Lisbon: 1961.Over the last 30 yearsI have met many, many Azorean 
Americans who have been told that theirgrandfather or great grandfather was a 
titled nobleman, or the illegitimate sonof one. In a half dozen cases I have 
found that those claims (legitimate orillegitimate) were true. Many Azorean 
Americanfamilies have these family legends, my own family included. 
Unfortunately, theyare legends, albeit sometimes with a tiny grain of truth. I 
tell you all ofthis only to spare you chasing a red-herring. But by all means, 
research yourancestry. You never know what you will find and no doubt your 
family history isas fascinating as that of any nobleman’s family.Let me know if 
I canhelp.John Miranda Raposo 

On Sunday, February 12, 2017 3:39 PM, Reposo De Costa 
 wrote:
 

 We are researching our ancestors Manuel Reposo/Reposa DeCosta from the Azore 
Islands who migrated to the Hawaiian Islands. Head of household was Manuel, 
wife's name was Maria. Our grandmother Maria Raposa/Raposa Decosta was born in 
around 1898 in Hawaii.  Our grandmother had a family crest which indicated that 
my uncle was a Duke, my grandmother died and we could not find the 
papers/crest.  We are wondering what royal family are we related to.  The 
family crest was passed down to our Uncle, who then was called a Duke.  Any 
information on this would be much appreciated.  Thank you.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Children of AntonioFerreira. Maria Carvalha

2017-02-05 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

Wow! Thank you so, so much.
John

On Saturday, February 4, 2017 4:48 PM, Maria Lima <maria.lima...@gmail.com>
wrote:

You're welcome, cousin JR
Here is the baptism record for our ancestor, Maria Carvalha(Daughter of
Jeronimo Martins x Maria Carvalha)
Ginetes, Batismos 1588-1677 > 0154.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1588-1677/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1588-1677_item1/P154.html

Maria Elena
On Feb 4, 2017, at 9:58 AM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy
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Thank you so, so much!
John

On Saturday, February 4, 2017 10:17 AM, Maria Lima
<maria.lima...@gmail.com> wrote:

JR, here is baptismal record for Luzia and the others:
LUZIA's BAPTISMAL
RECORDhttp://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1678-1707/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1678-1707_item1/P43.html
LUZIA was the second child. The first was MARIA. HERE IS MARIA's baptismal
record; second on left page
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1678-1707/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1678-1707_item1/P33.html
MARGARIDA
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1678-1707/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1678-1707_item1/P52.html
JOSEFA, page 63
MANOEL, page 74
BRAZ, page 85
JOAO, page 98
JOSEFA, page 105
MECIA, page 113
BALTHEZAR
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1707-1728/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1707-1728_item1/P16.html
My husband descends from Balthezar.
Oh oh- I don't think I searched after BALTHEZAR, there might be more children
and I didn't think to look (yet).
Maria Elena
On Feb 4, 2017, at 7:11 AM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy
<azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Thank you so much! I descend from Luzia. Which one is your ancestor? Thanks
again.
John

On Friday, February 3, 2017 7:24 PM, Maria Lima <maria.lima...@gmail.com>
wrote:

JR : these are the 10 children for this couple baptized in GINETES, Baptisms
1678-1707
MARIA, 23 February 1687 these are baptismal dates LUZIA 18 September
1689MARGARIDA 3 February 1692JOSEFA 28 October 1694MANOEL 29 December 1697BRAZ
- 1 January 1701 (born) they started recording birth dateJOAO June 1703 (no
birth date here)JOSEFA 28 October 1704 birthdateMECIA 24 January 1706
birthdateBALTHEZAR 29 August 1709 birthdate my husband's ancestor
I looked for an obit for the first JOSEFA all the way up to the birth of the
second JOSEFA but did not find one.

Maria Elena
On Feb 3, 2017, at 5:27 PM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy
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I would love to have the name of all those kids. Thank you so much!
John

On Friday, February 3, 2017 5:07 PM, Maria Lima <maria.lima...@gmail.com>
wrote:

JR:
I found LUZIA!! Here's her baptismal record. This (I THINK) is the No 1
person in the Ahnentafel Chart you sent me.
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1678-1707/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1678-1707_item1/P43.html
If we're talking about the same person, then, you had her birth year as 1687
and that's why I couldn't find her at first. I only found her when I saw there
was a big gap of years between her older sisterand the next child. The
computer indicated I might be "missing a child", and what do you think! I was
missing Luzia. She was baptized 18 September 1689
Is she your ancestor or is ANTONIO Ferreira your ancestor?
Again, thank you and if you want the names of the other siblings, I'll gladly
send you the names and links and sources. Antonio Ferreira and Maria Carvalha
had a total of 10 kids.
Warm regards,

Maria Elena
On Feb 2, 2017, at 3:43 PM, Maria Lima <maria.lima...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello John, yes! Thank you so much for sending me this information. My
husband descends through Antonio Ferreira, baptized 3 July 1653 in Mosteiros.
Your sheet has him being born in São Sebastião, Ginetes. Your marriage date
and mine coincide, as well as the bride, Maria Carvalha (o).
I was trying to locate the baptism of your person who is number 1 on your
sheet: LUZIA FERREIRA. But I did not find her baptism in Ginetes. Am looking
in Mosteiros. I want to figure out how she is related to ANTONIO Ferreira.
(Who is she).
Are you descended through her or one of Antonio's siblings. I found all of
them if you want to correspond, I can send them to you. ( you probably
already have that already)
As always, you are kind and so willing to help us. Thank you. Maybe we are
related ( well, my husband and you).

Maria Elena
On Jan 20, 2017, at 2:44 PM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Children of AntonioFerreira. Maria Carvalha

2017-02-04 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy