[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with short form of surnames

[Leonor Bertoni]

Thank you everyone! I also found one that has gtz, can someone tell me what 
that one stands for?



On Tuesday, 25 June 2019 03:39:38 UTC-4, Leonor Bertoni wrote:
>
> Hi there,
> I've checked the list of short forms for names but was not successful with 
> these names. First record, I think the father's first name is Pedro  (Po) 
> and everyone's last name, except the godmother, is Fernandes. I cannot 
> figure out what the godmother's last name is, it looks like Miz. 
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1604-1625/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1604-1625_item1/P48.html
>
> TIA
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with short form of surnames

[Leonor Bertoni]

Hi there,
I've checked the list of short forms for names but was not successful with 
these names. First record, I think the father's first name is Pedro  (Po) 
and everyone's last name, except the godmother, is Fernandes. I cannot 
figure out what the godmother's last name is, it looks like Miz. 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1604-1625/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1604-1625_item1/P48.html

TIA

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Side note help Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto (Freitas & Moura)

[Leonor Bertoni]

The first note is about the husband’s death. The date is the date he died.

On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 6:20 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
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>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-C-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-C-1900-1906_item1/P52.html
>
>
>
> Could someone please help me with the side note?  I can sort of make out
> dates and I know that the 2nd note is about a death but; is it Serafina
> or Manoel who died and what is the first note about please.  If you could
> do a literal translation, I might be able to remember and not bother
> everyone next time. 
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> Thanks,
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Inventario? Marianna de Jesus - São Miguel

[Leonor Bertoni]

Thanks everyone! 
This is very interesting. I was a little confused because the obito said 
there was no will, this lady left 8 kids and I believe she died from 
complications of childbirth. She died about a month after giving birth and 
her baby died 2 months after she did. Her husband then remarried a few 
months later to a lady younger than his own older children. This is 
probably what brought this up.

On Tuesday, 18 June 2019 00:58:02 UTC-4, Leonor Bertoni wrote:
>
> Can someone tell me what this means? I found a record for an ancestor for 
> an Inventario, I take it to mean inventory or probating a will but the 
> death records states that she did not leave a will. What could this be?
>
>
> http://www.arquivos.azores.gov.pt/details?id=1186907=Elias|da|costa|venancio
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Inventario? Marianna de Jesus - São Miguel

[Leonor Bertoni]

Interesting. If I was to go there, I would find this inventory by looking 
up the location on this record?

On Tuesday, 18 June 2019 12:53:26 UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
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> Hi Leonor,
>
> I did a lot of inventory work last summer there.
>
> As Philippe said, it's an inventory of their stuff. They do list children, 
> grands, greats. And it was kind of interesting to see what they had for 
> time period too.
>
> Every time I requested an inventory, they told me that they are private 
> and not to be posted on the Internet (they saw me taking pictures with my 
> cell phone). I said OK. I understand that some of the inventories (say the 
> one from 1920s) could name a kid who is alive today (they'd be pushing 
> 100), but the ones from the 1800s would not have anyone alive. So all I 
> could do is honor their request because I want continued access to that 
> record set and so do many genealogists.
>
> Portugal is part of the European Union and they have the newer General 
> Data Privacy Regulation (GDPR). Many countries are becoming concerned about 
> the privacy of their citizens so they are creating rules and regulations 
> for privacy. It's probably why they asked me not to post anything on the 
> Internet. The GDPR is just a little over a year old, so I'm hoping as time 
> goes on, they will adjust for things like older historical records, where 
> no one alive today is mentioned in them.  Cheri
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 9:36 AM Philippe GARNIER  > wrote:
>
>> Hi Leonor,
>>
>> The inventory is made after the death to liste all the possession of the 
>> dead personn : houses, lands, money, furnitures, clothes and so on.
>> It is to the shering out the heirs. 
>>
>> Abs
>>
>> Philippe Garnier
>> Paris - France 
>>
>> https://philippegarnier112.wixsite.com/familiasilhaterceira/copie-de-familias-da-ilha-terceira
>>   
>>
>> Le mar. 18 juin 2019 à 06:58, Leonor Bertoni > > a écrit :
>>
>>> Can someone tell me what this means? I found a record for an ancestor 
>>> for an Inventario, I take it to mean inventory or probating a will but the 
>>> death records states that she did not leave a will. What could this be?
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.arquivos.azores.gov.pt/details?id=1186907=Elias|da|costa|venancio
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Alphabetizing Portuguese Surnames

[Leonor Bertoni]

I use FTM and just make the de, do, da, etc. part of their first name this
way it's still there but I don't have to remember how I entered each person
as.

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> Thanks. That is what I thought. I use Family Tree Maker.
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Inventario? Marianna de Jesus - São Miguel

[Leonor Bertoni]

Can someone tell me what this means? I found a record for an ancestor for 
an Inventario, I take it to mean inventory or probating a will but the 
death records states that she did not leave a will. What could this be?

http://www.arquivos.azores.gov.pt/details?id=1186907=Elias|da|costa|venancio

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with baptism

[Leonor Bertoni]

I think I have an idea of what happened here but I'm not sure if I'm 
correct.

>From what I understand, Manoel was baptized at home by a gentleman who was 
his godfather, Manoel Joaquim de Souza, because he was born sick. He was 
then anointed with the holy oils by the parish priest on the same day. I 
think then the priest says that he baptized him again because he did not 
trust the validity of the first baptism because Manoel de Souza said that 
he had just sprinkled the baby with a few drops of water. Is this correct?

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1829-1836/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1829-1836_item1/P525.html
 

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Ships sailing between islands and mainland

[Leonor Bertoni]

Hello,
I know that my father sailed to the mainland at least once to visit his 
family. Are there any ship manifests for ships sailing between São Miguel 
and the mainland?

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] do Rego Baldaia - Lagoa, São Miguel

[Leonor Bertoni]

Thanks Angela.
I am aware of that tree, however, the dates do not make much sense to me.
There is also one on Geneanet both trees are contradicting.

Leonor

On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 at 12:51, Ângela Loura  wrote:

> He's my 12th.
>
> There's a big tree on Geni, if you have an account go check it out.
> Here's Gonçalo Vaz do Rego's profile:
> https://www.geni.com/people/Gon%C3%A7alo-Vaz-do-Rego-o-Velho/66508958027
>
> Leonor Bertoni  escreveu no dia segunda,
> 10/06/2019 à(s) 17:30:
>
>> Hi Angela,
>> I have Gonçalo Vaz do Rego and Maria Baldaia as my 11th greats.
>>
>> Leonor
>>
>> On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 at 12:22, Ângela Loura  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Leonor,
>>>
>>> Some of us here have ancestors from the family Rego Baldaia. Who is your
>>> ancestor?
>>>
>>> Leonor Bertoni  escreveu no dia segunda,
>>> 10/06/2019 à(s) 17:03:
>>>
>>>> Hello all,
>>>> My search has taken to the do Rego Baldaia family. I have yet to find a
>>>> reliable source of information, is anybody able to point me in the right
>>>> direction?
>>>>
>>>> As an aside, when I started all of this, I was hoping to find my
>>>> father's family, instead I am finding the most interesting information for
>>>> my Azorean side. Being so new at research I stumble, fall, start over, it's
>>>> all good.
>>>>
>>>> I have sent my DNA to more labs than I care to admit and spent more
>>>> money than my husband will ever know! Recently I sent my DNA to EthnoGene
>>>> for a Genetic Heritage Assessment. This comes in the form of a book (you
>>>> pay $29US). I wasn't expecting much and I know that this type of testing is
>>>> till new and not very reliable, but it was just for fun. I received my book
>>>> about a week before I made the connection with the do Rego Baldaias. Last
>>>> night as I was doing some research, I was a bit surprised. The Baldaias,
>>>> from what I have found, come from Asturias and Porto. My results below:
>>>>
>>>> [image: Screen Shot 2019-05-30 at 9.57.54 AM.png]
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] do Rego Baldaia - Lagoa, São Miguel

[Leonor Bertoni]

Hi Cheri,
Thank you, yes, I am aware of the scammers out there, as I said this was
more for fun. I THINK I am 100% Portuguese but who knows where my father's
father came from, lol. This search is going to take me forever. What I
found interesting in my results were the Asturias and Porto results. My
father was born in Aljezur (in the Algarve) which a lot further north than
Porto. I had never even heard of Asturias.

On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 at 12:51, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Leonor,
>
> Be careful with DNA testing companies. There are many newer (scammer)
> companies that are popping up all over the place now. They like to play off
> of the major company names, so you need to be really careful. The ones that
> are used by genealogists (and are reputable) are: Family Tree DNA (FTDNA),
> My Heritage, Ancestry, and 23 and Me (although they are more health
> focused). Living DNA is newer, about 2 years old (and reputable). They are
> based out of England. Their focus is to try to tease apart the areas of
> Britain and then get into the rest of Europe. Because my dad is half
> Portuguese and half British Isles stuff, I did him there. He has a whopping
> 2 matches. His ethnicity (for the British subregions) is interesting. As
> for his Portuguese half, they called him 23.6% Europe (South) - Iberian
> Peninsula and 23.5% Europe (North and West) - France.
>
> As for your results from the company you posted about, they are probably
> in the ballpark if you are 100% Portuguese. Many Portuguese people do get
> Spain. Spain is a political border. Historically, Spain and Portugal were
> part of the Iberian Peninsula and all part of the same set of people (way
> back when). The companies have not yet refined it enough to tease it apart
> (they may be able to and they may not. Time will tell). Many Portuguese
> also get French as well. Your DNA is probably Frankish, like my dad's. If
> you don't remember that period of history, looked it up in Wikipedia:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franks
>
> Also, many Portuguese get some African too, so your trace amounts make
> sense.  Cheri
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 10, 2019 at 9:03 AM Leonor Bertoni 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>> My search has taken to the do Rego Baldaia family. I have yet to find a
>> reliable source of information, is anybody able to point me in the right
>> direction?
>>
>> As an aside, when I started all of this, I was hoping to find my father's
>> family, instead I am finding the most interesting information for my
>> Azorean side. Being so new at research I stumble, fall, start over, it's
>> all good.
>>
>> I have sent my DNA to more labs than I care to admit and spent more money
>> than my husband will ever know! Recently I sent my DNA to EthnoGene for a
>> Genetic Heritage Assessment. This comes in the form of a book (you pay
>> $29US). I wasn't expecting much and I know that this type of testing is
>> till new and not very reliable, but it was just for fun. I received my book
>> about a week before I made the connection with the do Rego Baldaias. Last
>> night as I was doing some research, I was a bit surprised. The Baldaias,
>> from what I have found, come from Asturias and Porto. My results below:
>>
>> [image: Screen Shot 2019-05-30 at 9.57.54 AM.png]
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] do Rego Baldaia - Lagoa, São Miguel

[Leonor Bertoni]

Hi Angela,
I have Gonçalo Vaz do Rego and Maria Baldaia as my 11th greats.

Leonor

On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 at 12:22, Ângela Loura  wrote:

> Hi Leonor,
>
> Some of us here have ancestors from the family Rego Baldaia. Who is your
> ancestor?
>
> Leonor Bertoni  escreveu no dia segunda,
> 10/06/2019 à(s) 17:03:
>
>> Hello all,
>> My search has taken to the do Rego Baldaia family. I have yet to find a
>> reliable source of information, is anybody able to point me in the right
>> direction?
>>
>> As an aside, when I started all of this, I was hoping to find my father's
>> family, instead I am finding the most interesting information for my
>> Azorean side. Being so new at research I stumble, fall, start over, it's
>> all good.
>>
>> I have sent my DNA to more labs than I care to admit and spent more money
>> than my husband will ever know! Recently I sent my DNA to EthnoGene for a
>> Genetic Heritage Assessment. This comes in the form of a book (you pay
>> $29US). I wasn't expecting much and I know that this type of testing is
>> till new and not very reliable, but it was just for fun. I received my book
>> about a week before I made the connection with the do Rego Baldaias. Last
>> night as I was doing some research, I was a bit surprised. The Baldaias,
>> from what I have found, come from Asturias and Porto. My results below:
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] do Rego Baldaia - Lagoa, São Miguel

[Leonor Bertoni]

Hello all,
My search has taken to the do Rego Baldaia family. I have yet to find a 
reliable source of information, is anybody able to point me in the right 
direction?

As an aside, when I started all of this, I was hoping to find my father's 
family, instead I am finding the most interesting information for my 
Azorean side. Being so new at research I stumble, fall, start over, it's 
all good.

I have sent my DNA to more labs than I care to admit and spent more money 
than my husband will ever know! Recently I sent my DNA to EthnoGene for a 
Genetic Heritage Assessment. This comes in the form of a book (you pay 
$29US). I wasn't expecting much and I know that this type of testing is 
till new and not very reliable, but it was just for fun. I received my book 
about a week before I made the connection with the do Rego Baldaias. Last 
night as I was doing some research, I was a bit surprised. The Baldaias, 
from what I have found, come from Asturias and Porto. My results below:

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with father's name

[Leonor Bertoni]

Hello everyone,
This record came up as a hint for one of my ancestors. Maria daughter of 
Caetano de Sousa and Antonia de Medeiros. I am not sure this is correct as 
the father's name does not look like Caetano in the record, just looking 
for a second (third, fourth) opinion. 

Maria bottom record
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1732-1746/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1732-1746_item1/P231.html

Thanks.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with St. Mary's Home New Bedford, MA

[Leonor Bertoni]

Thanks Elaine. I’m in Canada so it’s a little difficult. I have so many
trips to take to check information!

On Sun, May 26, 2019 at 11:07 PM Elaine Mello  wrote:

> The photo on Digital Commonwealth is from the New Bedford Library, so it
> might be worth seeing if they have anything there that they can share with
> you.
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with St. Mary's Home New Bedford, MA

[Leonor Bertoni]

Thank you both, that's what I thought. I was so hoping to have some
information online so I could link to her profile.

Leonor

On Sat, 25 May 2019 at 21:18, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Back in that time period it was a home for orphans and for children whose
> parents couldn't provide for them. In the latter case parents might visit
> on a Sunday, etc.
>
> In the 1970 and eighties, it was a residential treatment program for
> troubled children. After it closed the building was used for a pre-release
> program and a prison diversion program for incarcerated women with a
> history of substance abuse.
>
> John
>
> On Saturday, May 25, 2019, 9:05:36 PM EDT, Leonor Bertoni <
> leonor.bert...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> This explains why she got married so early. She was 17, her husband 22. In
> the 1930 census she lived with her husband, young brother in law and her
> father in law, her mother in law had passed away. Chances are that she
> needed to take care of them all, so sad!
>
> On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 9:02 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
> I'm not sure if Children's Aid exists anymore. If it does, it's on the
> east coast of America. In California, we have only the Department of
> Welfare and Child Services (or something like that) and it's foster care.
> Every state in America deals with the children somewhat differently today.
> In the past, they basically farmed them out as child (slave) labor. Very
> sad.
> Cheri Mello
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> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 5:56 PM Leonor Bertoni 
> wrote:
>
> Here in Canada, the Children’s Aid Society is the organization that
> protects children from abusive situations. They sometimes remove the
> children from their home and place them in foster care until whatever
> issues the parents are having get revolved.
>
> On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 8:53 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
> I think the Children's Aid Society was an east coast thing and when they
> got too many kids, they started shipping them out all over the U.S. on
> Orphan Trains. Basically child labor. I know for sure it wasn't a western
> U.S. thing.
> Cheri Mello
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> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 5:45 PM Leonor Bertoni 
> wrote:
>
> Sorry, I thought CAS was the same in the US, it’s the Children’s Aid
> Society.
>
> On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 7:22 PM Leonor Bertoni 
> wrote:
>
> Hello all,
> I found a 1920 census for St. Mary's Home, my cousin's wife lived there
> when she was a child (9 years old). I have tried to search for information
> but have been unsuccessful, I found a picture but nothing else. Does anyone
> have any info? I imagine it was a home for children whose parents couldn't
> care for them but was it an adoption centre, just temporary care or
> something like CAS?
>
> TIA.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with St. Mary's Home New Bedford, MA

[Leonor Bertoni]

This explains why she got married so early. She was 17, her husband 22. In
the 1930 census she lived with her husband, young brother in law and her
father in law, her mother in law had passed away. Chances are that she
needed to take care of them all, so sad!

On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 9:02 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> I'm not sure if Children's Aid exists anymore. If it does, it's on the
> east coast of America. In California, we have only the Department of
> Welfare and Child Services (or something like that) and it's foster care.
> Every state in America deals with the children somewhat differently today.
> In the past, they basically farmed them out as child (slave) labor. Very
> sad.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 5:56 PM Leonor Bertoni 
> wrote:
>
>> Here in Canada, the Children’s Aid Society is the organization that
>> protects children from abusive situations. They sometimes remove the
>> children from their home and place them in foster care until whatever
>> issues the parents are having get revolved.
>>
>> On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 8:53 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> I think the Children's Aid Society was an east coast thing and when they
>>> got too many kids, they started shipping them out all over the U.S. on
>>> Orphan Trains. Basically child labor. I know for sure it wasn't a western
>>> U.S. thing.
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 5:45 PM Leonor Bertoni 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sorry, I thought CAS was the same in the US, it’s the Children’s Aid
>>>> Society.
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 7:22 PM Leonor Bertoni <
>>>> leonor.bert...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>> I found a 1920 census for St. Mary's Home, my cousin's wife lived
>>>>> there when she was a child (9 years old). I have tried to search for
>>>>> information but have been unsuccessful, I found a picture but nothing 
>>>>> else.
>>>>> Does anyone have any info? I imagine it was a home for children whose
>>>>> parents couldn't care for them but was it an adoption centre, just
>>>>> temporary care or something like CAS?
>>>>>
>>>>> TIA.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with St. Mary's Home New Bedford, MA

[Leonor Bertoni]

Here in Canada, the Children’s Aid Society is the organization that
protects children from abusive situations. They sometimes remove the
children from their home and place them in foster care until whatever
issues the parents are having get revolved.

On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 8:53 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> I think the Children's Aid Society was an east coast thing and when they
> got too many kids, they started shipping them out all over the U.S. on
> Orphan Trains. Basically child labor. I know for sure it wasn't a western
> U.S. thing.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 5:45 PM Leonor Bertoni 
> wrote:
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>> Sorry, I thought CAS was the same in the US, it’s the Children’s Aid
>> Society.
>>
>> On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 7:22 PM Leonor Bertoni 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>> I found a 1920 census for St. Mary's Home, my cousin's wife lived there
>>> when she was a child (9 years old). I have tried to search for information
>>> but have been unsuccessful, I found a picture but nothing else. Does anyone
>>> have any info? I imagine it was a home for children whose parents couldn't
>>> care for them but was it an adoption centre, just temporary care or
>>> something like CAS?
>>>
>>> TIA.
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with St. Mary's Home New Bedford, MA

[Leonor Bertoni]

Cheri, those search results are what I had seen before, just a couple of
pictures and a bunch of Ancestry message board posts of people asking if
anybody has any information.

On Sat, 25 May 2019 at 20:45, Leonor Bertoni 
wrote:

> Sorry, I thought CAS was the same in the US, it’s the Children’s Aid
> Society.
>
> On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 7:22 PM Leonor Bertoni 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>> I found a 1920 census for St. Mary's Home, my cousin's wife lived there
>> when she was a child (9 years old). I have tried to search for information
>> but have been unsuccessful, I found a picture but nothing else. Does anyone
>> have any info? I imagine it was a home for children whose parents couldn't
>> care for them but was it an adoption centre, just temporary care or
>> something like CAS?
>>
>> TIA.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with St. Mary's Home New Bedford, MA

[Leonor Bertoni]

Sorry, I thought CAS was the same in the US, it’s the Children’s Aid
Society.

On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 7:22 PM Leonor Bertoni 
wrote:

> Hello all,
> I found a 1920 census for St. Mary's Home, my cousin's wife lived there
> when she was a child (9 years old). I have tried to search for information
> but have been unsuccessful, I found a picture but nothing else. Does anyone
> have any info? I imagine it was a home for children whose parents couldn't
> care for them but was it an adoption centre, just temporary care or
> something like CAS?
>
> TIA.
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with St. Mary's Home New Bedford, MA

[Leonor Bertoni]

Hello all,
I found a 1920 census for St. Mary's Home, my cousin's wife lived there 
when she was a child (9 years old). I have tried to search for information 
but have been unsuccessful, I found a picture but nothing else. Does anyone 
have any info? I imagine it was a home for children whose parents couldn't 
care for them but was it an adoption centre, just temporary care or 
something like CAS?

TIA.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: translation from Portuguese to English

[Leonor Bertoni]

It's similar to the English saying, "more for me" or more for later. I
guess the translation is more left.

On Fri, 24 May 2019 at 18:31, Liz Migliori  wrote:

> What does it mean.  More stays
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 24, 2019, at 9:34 AM, Genealogia sem segredos <
> genealogiasemsegre...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> "Mais fica" is still a common saying among older generations all around
> Portugal. It's not exclusive of the Azores.
> Regards;
> Francisco
>
> Francisco Queiroz
> ("Genealogia sem segredos" researcher)
>
>
>
>
> 'Alyssa B' via Azores Genealogy  escreveu no dia
> sexta, 24/05/2019 à(s) 17:01:
>
>> I’m so happy to read this!! Our fam came from Azores and Lisbon but it
>> was my great grandmother who often said “mais fica” when someone didn’t
>> finish all of their food. She was from the Azores and loved to eat. Last
>> names ‘Deniz’ and ‘Sobral’ (Sovral). They were farmers who settled in
>> Hayward California. My cousin still lives on the oriniginal property, that
>> once was covered in gardens, trees, chicken and quail. “Mais fica” made it
>> through the generations “more for me”.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with cause of death - Domingos do Rego

[Leonor Bertoni]

Thanks again Bill. I am literate in Portuguese but just can't make out the
words. Your attempt was perfect! As per my first post, I thought that's
what it said but wasn't sure if he was never seen again or if they found
his body on the 15th.

On Thu, 23 May 2019 at 19:45, William Seidler  wrote:

> I don't think that is "hu", but rather "em" (with interference from the
> "f" in "afogado" on the line above.
>
> I thinks it says ...morreu afogado e não consta aparacer (actually looks
> like "apareller"?) mais ?? fiz este assento em quinze do dito mez era
> freguese deste matriz"
>
> I think it says he was not seen again.  Hopefully this lame attempt
> doesn't get the real Portuguese speakers (such as my wife) laughing too
> much.
>
> Bill
>
> On Thursday, May 23, 2019 at 4:17:41 PM UTC-7, Leonor Bertoni wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Bill. What about after that, do you see anything about his body
>> not being recovered? I think I see the word hú and quinze but can't make
>> out the words before and after those.
>>
>> On Thu, 23 May 2019 at 18:33, William Seidler  wrote:
>>
>>> I believe it says he was on a fishing boat (barco pescaria) from
>>> Nordeste that overturned (revirou?) and he died by drowning (afogado).
>>>
>>> Bill Seidler
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 23, 2019 at 12:43:51 PM UTC-7, Leonor Bertoni wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello all,
>>>> I need some help with the cause of death for Domingos do Rego (3rd
>>>> record). After the sentence "marido de Clara de Fonseca", it says something
>>>> about how he died. I can make out some of it " vindo um
>>>> .barco..revirou, e morreo afogado e não conta aparecer
>>>> mais (?)" This is my 7th great uncle. Many of my ancestors died at sea,
>>>> including my grandfather but this is the first time I see it in a death
>>>> record.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-O-1686-1731/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-O-1686-1731_item1/P119.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with cause of death - Domingos do Rego

[Leonor Bertoni]

Thanks Bill. What about after that, do you see anything about his body not
being recovered? I think I see the word hú and quinze but can't make out
the words before and after those.

On Thu, 23 May 2019 at 18:33, William Seidler  wrote:

> I believe it says he was on a fishing boat (barco pescaria) from Nordeste
> that overturned (revirou?) and he died by drowning (afogado).
>
> Bill Seidler
>
> On Thursday, May 23, 2019 at 12:43:51 PM UTC-7, Leonor Bertoni wrote:
>>
>> Hello all,
>> I need some help with the cause of death for Domingos do Rego (3rd
>> record). After the sentence "marido de Clara de Fonseca", it says something
>> about how he died. I can make out some of it " vindo um
>> .barco..revirou, e morreo afogado e não conta aparecer
>> mais (?)" This is my 7th great uncle. Many of my ancestors died at sea,
>> including my grandfather but this is the first time I see it in a death
>> record.
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-O-1686-1731/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-O-1686-1731_item1/P119.html
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with cause of death - Domingos do Rego

[Leonor Bertoni]

Hello all,
I need some help with the cause of death for Domingos do Rego (3rd record). 
After the sentence "marido de Clara de Fonseca", it says something about 
how he died. I can make out some of it " vindo um 
.barco..revirou, e morreo afogado e não conta aparecer 
mais (?)" This is my 7th great uncle. Many of my ancestors died at sea, 
including my grandfather but this is the first time I see it in a death 
record.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-O-1686-1731/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-O-1686-1731_item1/P119.html

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] More Hawaii help needed

[Leonor Bertoni]

Hi Margaret,
Yes, this is him, his wife and 3 daughters. Curiously, the boys Manoel
(4yr) & Jose (abt. 1yr) are not on here although they are on the SS
Bellrock passenger list.

His wife's name on all records shows Maria da Conceição but on their
marriage record it shows Maria da Gloria. This family is very confusing
because Manoel's father's name is Boaventura de Medeiros, however, I have
another Boaventura de Medeiros MANTEIGA in my tree. Although Boaventura is
not a common name, these two managed to marry 2 women with the same name,
which is also an uncommon name. I have a Boaventura de Medeiros Manteiga
married to a Joanna Candida and a Boaventura de Medeiros married to a
Joanna Candida. Both Boaventuras are 6 years apart. Maria da Conceição and
Maria da Gloria both have the same parents José d'Oliveira Zangão and
Joanna Emilia. It would make sense that Manoel de Medeiros Manteiga would
be the son of Boaventura de Medeiros Manteiga but he is not, he is the son
of Boaventura de Medeiros. As of yet, I have not found a Manoel that
belongs to Boaventura de Medeiros Manteiga. If I do and if he is born at
about the same time as this Manoel, I will have to revisit this because I
am basing all this on Manoel's baptismal record and his marriage record.

On Sun, 5 May 2019 at 11:46, Margaret Vicente 
wrote:

> Lenor,
>
> Is this your Manuel de Medeiros Manteiga?  Passenger # 2894, passport #
> 988 A883 Aug 4
>
>
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1875-1883/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1875-1883_item1/P166.html
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 8:22 PM Leonor Bertoni 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Cheri. My freguesia is Rosario, de Medeiros were EVERYWHERE. I
>> thought that since my Medeiros Manteiga were on the ship, maybe these
>> Medeiros were also related. I have 2 Manuel Medeiros in my tree that fit
>> the husband's age but did not have a wife for either and could not find a
>> marriage record for the time that would fit the first child's birth. I
>> figured I would try to match with the parents but they do not match and now
>> I know why, lol.
>>
>> On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 at 20:17, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> Portuguese Immigrants to Hawaii, compiled by Edgar C. Knowlton, Jr, page
>>> 286:
>>> Manuel de Medeiros, 34, on the Bell Rock 1883 with Maria Julia, 30, wife.
>>> Children: Maria 5, Rosa 3.
>>>
>>> Passport Registrations: Portuguese Immigrants from Azores to Sandwich
>>> Isles 1879-1883, page 244
>>> Manuel de Medeiros, 34, son of Antonio de Medeiros and Jacinta de Jesus
>>> (from Ribeira Quente)
>>> Wife Maria Julia, 30, daughter of Joao Furtado Pereira and Maria Julia
>>> Children: Maria 5, Rosa 3, Conceicao 8 months.
>>> All born in Ribeira Quente.
>>> On the Bell Rock
>>>
>>> I have lots of Ribeira Quente resources if this is your freguesia.
>>> Cheri Mello
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>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 5:06 PM  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Cheri,
>>>> I have looked everywhere for the books you mentioned but cannot find
>>>> them. The closest library that has a copy is in Salt Lake City (a little
>>>> far from Toronto, Canada). On the same passenger list, there is a Manoel de
>>>> Medeiros (34), Maria Julia (30) and the their two children Maria (5) and
>>>> Roza (3). Would you be able to tell me who Manoel's parents are?
>>>>
>>>> Leonor
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Side note help. Sao Pedro, Santa Maria (Figueiredo/Soares)

[leonor . bertoni]

I see the "f" as well, I thought maybe it would be the "d" from the line 
below. 

For the mother's name, I see Jacinta Filomena Cabral. Marriage was November 
6, 1924.



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> There's an "f" in the middle of Maria da Scribble Scrabble. I'm 100% sure 
> of the "f." I can't think of a female name that's Emif-something.
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> On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 4:53 PM Leonor Bertoni  > wrote:
>
>> Could it be Maria Emilia d’Andrade?
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 7:49 PM Cheri Mello > > wrote:
>>
>>> I'm struggling too.
>>> I think it says this referenced individual, also know as Jose Figueiredo 
>>> married Maria da Scribble Scrabble, daughter of Manuel d'Andrade (?) and 
>>> Jacinta Francisca (don't think it really says Francisca) Cabral on the 6 of 
>>> November (?) 1000 900 20 4 (1924). 
>>>
>>> I want to say Maria da Scribble Scrabble is Maria da Purficação Andrade. 
>>> I'm having a hard time making that a P and I may be perfectly wrong.
>>>
>>> OK, let someone else have at it.
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
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>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 3:36 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
>>> azo...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906_item1/P4.html
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> First record, Jose.  I can read the note about when he died but; don’t 
>>>> understand what the middle note is saying.  Can’t decipher the words.
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, All
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Side note help. Sao Pedro, Santa Maria (Figueiredo/Soares)

[Leonor Bertoni]

Could it be Maria Emilia d’Andrade?

On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 7:49 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> I'm struggling too.
> I think it says this referenced individual, also know as Jose Figueiredo
> married Maria da Scribble Scrabble, daughter of Manuel d'Andrade (?) and
> Jacinta Francisca (don't think it really says Francisca) Cabral on the 6 of
> November (?) 1000 900 20 4 (1924).
>
> I want to say Maria da Scribble Scrabble is Maria da Purficação Andrade.
> I'm having a hard time making that a P and I may be perfectly wrong.
>
> OK, let someone else have at it.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 3:36 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906_item1/P4.html
>>
>>
>>
>> First record, Jose.  I can read the note about when he died but; don’t
>> understand what the middle note is saying.  Can’t decipher the words.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks, All
>>
>>
>>
>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with death record

[leonor . bertoni]

I'm moving on from the Medeiros/Manteigas for now.

I believe this to be a death record for my 7th great grandfather, Manoel 
Cruvello/Curvello, I can read some of it but the rest seems to me to be 
written backwards, sigh

I see on the year 1671, on the 19th day of November, Manoel Bruvello died. 
I can't read the rest but what I am looking for is maybe a wife's name or 
another name that I can confirm that this is the right person. I do know 
from one of his kids marriage record that he passed away before 1776.

Second record from the bottom.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-O-1594-1677/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-O-1594-1677_item1/P130.html


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] More Hawaii help needed

[Leonor Bertoni]

Thanks Cheri. My freguesia is Rosario, de Medeiros were EVERYWHERE. I
thought that since my Medeiros Manteiga were on the ship, maybe these
Medeiros were also related. I have 2 Manuel Medeiros in my tree that fit
the husband's age but did not have a wife for either and could not find a
marriage record for the time that would fit the first child's birth. I
figured I would try to match with the parents but they do not match and now
I know why, lol.

On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 at 20:17, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Portuguese Immigrants to Hawaii, compiled by Edgar C. Knowlton, Jr, page
> 286:
> Manuel de Medeiros, 34, on the Bell Rock 1883 with Maria Julia, 30, wife.
> Children: Maria 5, Rosa 3.
>
> Passport Registrations: Portuguese Immigrants from Azores to Sandwich
> Isles 1879-1883, page 244
> Manuel de Medeiros, 34, son of Antonio de Medeiros and Jacinta de Jesus
> (from Ribeira Quente)
> Wife Maria Julia, 30, daughter of Joao Furtado Pereira and Maria Julia
> Children: Maria 5, Rosa 3, Conceicao 8 months.
> All born in Ribeira Quente.
> On the Bell Rock
>
> I have lots of Ribeira Quente resources if this is your freguesia.
> Cheri Mello
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> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 5:06 PM  wrote:
>
>> Cheri,
>> I have looked everywhere for the books you mentioned but cannot find
>> them. The closest library that has a copy is in Salt Lake City (a little
>> far from Toronto, Canada). On the same passenger list, there is a Manoel de
>> Medeiros (34), Maria Julia (30) and the their two children Maria (5) and
>> Roza (3). Would you be able to tell me who Manoel's parents are?
>>
>> Leonor
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need help figuring out if 2 couples are the same - Medeiros/Manteiga - Rosario, Lagoa, Sao Miguel

[Leonor Bertoni]

I did that and did not find anything! I may need a break!

Leonor

On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 at 20:08, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Hi Leonor,
>
> Emigration leaving the Azores is here on the Tombo.pt site (which will
> link you back to the CCA): https://tombo.pt/d/acores
> Scroll down to the Ponta Delgada section and pick the book that contains
> 1883.
> Happy hunting,
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 5:02 PM  wrote:
>
>> Hi Cheri,
>> Thank you so much. This pretty much backs up what I have.
>>
>> I have never done any research on anyone leaving the Azores. Where do I
>> find this information? Ship manifests and all that, is there a database?
>>
>> Leonor
>>
>> On Wednesday, 10 April 2019 13:32:54 UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Leonor,
>>>
>>> I have to get going, so I don't have time to think about your evidence.
>>> But I can do a quick look up from the Hawaii end.
>>>
>>> Passport Registrations: Portuguese Immigrants from Azores to Sandwich
>>> Isles 1879-1883 by Bob De Mello. Page 217
>>> Manuel de Medeiros Manteiga, 33, son of Boaventura de Medeiros and Joana
>>> Candida, from Rosario, Lagoa
>>> wife Maria da Conceicao, 35, dau. of Jose d'Oliveira and Joana Emilia.
>>> No place given
>>> Children: Maria 10, Ricarda 8, Maria 6. All born Rosario, Lagoa. On the
>>> Bell Rock
>>>
>>> Portuguese Immigrants to Hawaii compiled by Edgar C. Knowlton, Jr. Page
>>> 276
>>> Manoel de Medeiros Manteiga, 33, Bell Rock 1883, with Maria da
>>> Conceicao, 35, wife
>>> Children: Maria 10, Ricarda 8, Maria 6, Manoel 3, Jose 5 months
>>>
>>> Both books transcribed by humans and people can and do make mistakes
>>> (Bob De Mello's book has the mistake with the missing children; however, he
>>> gives the parents' names whereas Knowlton does not).
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 9:51 AM  wrote:
>>>
 Hi,
 I came across a passenger list for Hawaii. I believe the family on
 there are my family but the wife has a different name. Here is my evidence:

 Manoel de Medeiros Manteiga April 27, 1849
 Maria da Gloria about 1848
 Married on May 11, 1872

 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1870-1879/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1870-1879_item1/P62.html
 Groom's parents: Boaventura de Medeiros/Joanna Candida
 Bride's parents: Jose d'Oliveira Zangao/Joanna Emilia

 Children:
 Maria - Mar. 29 1872
 Parents are listed as: Manoel Medeiros/Maria da Conceicao
 Pat: Boaventura de Medeiros/Joanna de Jesus
 Mat: Jose de Medeiros Zangao/Anna de Jesus

 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1870-1879/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1870-1879_item1/P151.html

 Ricarda - Oct. 26 1874
 Parents: Manoel de Medeiros Manteiga/Maria da Gloria
 Pat: Boaventura de Medeiros/Joanna Candida
 Mat: Jose d'Oliveira Zangao/Joanna Emilia

 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1870-1879/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1870-1879_item1/P340.html

 Maria - Jan. 16, 1877
 Parents: Manoel de Medeiros Manteiga/Maria da Gloria
 Pat: Boaventura de Medeiros/Joanna Candida
 Mat: Jose d'Oliveira Zangao/Joanna de Jesus

 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1870-1879/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1870-1879_item1/P488.html

 Manoel - Dec. 30, 1879
 Parents: Manoel de Medeiros Manteiga/Maria da Gloria
 Pat: Boaventura de Medeiros/Joanna Candida
 Mat: Jose d'Oliveira Zangao/Joanna Emilia

 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1880-1881/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1880-1881_item1/P6.html

 Jose - Oct. 19, 1882
 Parents: Manoel de Medeiros Manteiga/Maria da Gloria
 Pat: Boaventura de Medeiros/Joanna Candida
 Mat: Jose d'Oliveira Zangao/Joanna Emilia

 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1882-1888/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1882-1888_item1/P121.html

 The only information on the passenger list from 1883 is:

 [image: Screen Shot 2019-04-10 at 12.40.11 PM.png]








 So Manoel would have been born on approximately 1850
 Maria da Conceicao - approx. 1848
 Maria - approx. 1873
 Ricarda - approx. 1875
 Manoel - approx. 1880
 Maria - approx. 1877
 Jose - approx. 1883

 Only once does the mother show as Maria da Conceicao on the children's
 baptismal records. The ages are all pretty close, down to the manifest wife
 being older than the husband. I have not found any other records that would
 match this manifest. I do have another Manoel de Medeiros Manteiga in my
 tree and he is married to a Maria 

[AZORES-Genealogy] More Hawaii help needed

[leonor . bertoni]

Cheri,
I have looked everywhere for the books you mentioned but cannot find them. 
The closest library that has a copy is in Salt Lake City (a little far from 
Toronto, Canada). On the same passenger list, there is a Manoel de Medeiros 
(34), Maria Julia (30) and the their two children Maria (5) and Roza (3). 
Would you be able to tell me who Manoel's parents are? 

Leonor

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need help figuring out if 2 couples are the same - Medeiros/Manteiga - Rosario, Lagoa, Sao Miguel

[leonor . bertoni]

Hi Cheri,
Thank you so much. This pretty much backs up what I have.

I have never done any research on anyone leaving the Azores. Where do I 
find this information? Ship manifests and all that, is there a database?

Leonor

On Wednesday, 10 April 2019 13:32:54 UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Hi Leonor,
>
> I have to get going, so I don't have time to think about your evidence. 
> But I can do a quick look up from the Hawaii end.
>
> Passport Registrations: Portuguese Immigrants from Azores to Sandwich 
> Isles 1879-1883 by Bob De Mello. Page 217
> Manuel de Medeiros Manteiga, 33, son of Boaventura de Medeiros and Joana 
> Candida, from Rosario, Lagoa
> wife Maria da Conceicao, 35, dau. of Jose d'Oliveira and Joana Emilia. No 
> place given
> Children: Maria 10, Ricarda 8, Maria 6. All born Rosario, Lagoa. On the 
> Bell Rock
>
> Portuguese Immigrants to Hawaii compiled by Edgar C. Knowlton, Jr. Page 276
> Manoel de Medeiros Manteiga, 33, Bell Rock 1883, with Maria da Conceicao, 
> 35, wife
> Children: Maria 10, Ricarda 8, Maria 6, Manoel 3, Jose 5 months
>
> Both books transcribed by humans and people can and do make mistakes (Bob 
> De Mello's book has the mistake with the missing children; however, he 
> gives the parents' names whereas Knowlton does not).
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 9:51 AM > wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> I came across a passenger list for Hawaii. I believe the family on there 
>> are my family but the wife has a different name. Here is my evidence:
>>
>> Manoel de Medeiros Manteiga April 27, 1849
>> Maria da Gloria about 1848
>> Married on May 11, 1872 
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1870-1879/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1870-1879_item1/P62.html
>> Groom's parents: Boaventura de Medeiros/Joanna Candida
>> Bride's parents: Jose d'Oliveira Zangao/Joanna Emilia
>>
>> Children:
>> Maria - Mar. 29 1872 
>> Parents are listed as: Manoel Medeiros/Maria da Conceicao
>> Pat: Boaventura de Medeiros/Joanna de Jesus
>> Mat: Jose de Medeiros Zangao/Anna de Jesus
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1870-1879/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1870-1879_item1/P151.html
>>
>> Ricarda - Oct. 26 1874
>> Parents: Manoel de Medeiros Manteiga/Maria da Gloria
>> Pat: Boaventura de Medeiros/Joanna Candida
>> Mat: Jose d'Oliveira Zangao/Joanna Emilia
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1870-1879/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1870-1879_item1/P340.html
>>
>> Maria - Jan. 16, 1877
>> Parents: Manoel de Medeiros Manteiga/Maria da Gloria
>> Pat: Boaventura de Medeiros/Joanna Candida
>> Mat: Jose d'Oliveira Zangao/Joanna de Jesus
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1870-1879/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1870-1879_item1/P488.html
>>
>> Manoel - Dec. 30, 1879
>> Parents: Manoel de Medeiros Manteiga/Maria da Gloria
>> Pat: Boaventura de Medeiros/Joanna Candida
>> Mat: Jose d'Oliveira Zangao/Joanna Emilia
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1880-1881/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1880-1881_item1/P6.html
>>
>> Jose - Oct. 19, 1882
>> Parents: Manoel de Medeiros Manteiga/Maria da Gloria
>> Pat: Boaventura de Medeiros/Joanna Candida
>> Mat: Jose d'Oliveira Zangao/Joanna Emilia
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1882-1888/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1882-1888_item1/P121.html
>>
>> The only information on the passenger list from 1883 is:
>>
>> [image: Screen Shot 2019-04-10 at 12.40.11 PM.png]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> So Manoel would have been born on approximately 1850
>> Maria da Conceicao - approx. 1848
>> Maria - approx. 1873
>> Ricarda - approx. 1875
>> Manoel - approx. 1880
>> Maria - approx. 1877
>> Jose - approx. 1883
>>
>> Only once does the mother show as Maria da Conceicao on the children's 
>> baptismal records. The ages are all pretty close, down to the manifest wife 
>> being older than the husband. I have not found any other records that would 
>> match this manifest. I do have another Manoel de Medeiros Manteiga in my 
>> tree and he is married to a Maria da Conceicao, however, her parents are 
>> Jacinto Carvalho and Jacintha de Jesus and he was born in 1823.  In this 
>> case, Boaventura only has one son by the name of Manoel (as far as I have 
>> researched).  Thoughts? 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Manuel Soares Manteiga - Lagoa, Sao Miguel

[Leonor Bertoni]

That’s not him, it’s his cousin.

On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 11:17 PM Leonor Bertoni 
wrote:

> Yes. I found him! Thanks.
>
> On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 10:37 PM JR  wrote:
>
>> When was the marriage? Is it possible that an entry was made after the
>> fact, like when someone forgets to enter the baptism into the book?
>>
>>
>> I assume you know about this marriage already?
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1890-1899/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1890-1899_item1/P283.html
>>
>> JR
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 8:40:38 PM UTC-4, Leonor Bertoni wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, but my problem is this new kid that I can’t find a record for. No
>>> baptismal record, just a marriage record.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 8:38 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>>
>>>> A couple of miscarriages can fit in a 5 year period. Just a thought.
>>>>
>>>> Cheri Mello
>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 5:32 PM Leonor Bertoni 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks JR, I did look in Santa Cruz, nothing. What I found on Ancestry
>>>>> was an actual document, a marriage registration, not someone’s tree. I’ve
>>>>> been thinking though, I don’t think my great grandfather left the island,
>>>>> just my uncle and maybe some siblings. My grandfather never left.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 8:09 PM JR  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It is worth looking in Santa Cruz, Lagoa, because sometimes people
>>>>>> moved around depending where there was work. I would be leery of  what
>>>>>> Ancestry posts. They don't check or verify anything. And as stated here
>>>>>> many times, people just collect names, add them to their trees, and post
>>>>>> them without ever checking or verifying. Your work is much more thorough
>>>>>> and important.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> JR
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 7:28:07 PM UTC-4, leonor...@gmail.com
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>> I'm researching my great grandfather Jose Soares Manteiga's line.
>>>>>>> Jose Soares Manteiga married Maria Amelia Calheta on 25 Oct 1880, in
>>>>>>> Rosario, Lagoa. My researched gave me 9 children all born in Rosario,
>>>>>>> Lagoa: Francisco b: 1885, Maria b: 1887, Antonio b: 1889, Jose b; 1890,
>>>>>>> Maria b: 1892, Maria b: 1894, Rosa b: 1897, Jacintha b: 1900, Joao b: 
>>>>>>> 1903.
>>>>>>> Finding it a little bit strange that they didn't have kids until 5 years
>>>>>>> after they got married, I went back and looked again, still found 
>>>>>>> nothing.
>>>>>>> I found all of these kids by searching all the records 1 by 1 from 1880 
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> 1905. Ancestry tells me that there was another child born on February 9,
>>>>>>> 1883 by the name of Manoel. It looks like my great grandfather 
>>>>>>> immigrated
>>>>>>> to the US in 1902 (according to Ancestry), I also found a marriage
>>>>>>> registration for a Manuel Soares Manteiga, son of Jose Soares Manteiga 
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> Maria Amelia Calheta. I searched the baptismal records again, still 
>>>>>>> found
>>>>>>> nothing on a Manuel or Manoel born to Jose Soares Manteiga and Maria 
>>>>>>> Amelia
>>>>>>> Calheta. I am not sure where else to look. Ideas?
>>>>>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Manuel Soares Manteiga - Lagoa, Sao Miguel

[Leonor Bertoni]

Yes. I found him! Thanks.

On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 10:37 PM JR  wrote:

> When was the marriage? Is it possible that an entry was made after the
> fact, like when someone forgets to enter the baptism into the book?
>
>
> I assume you know about this marriage already?
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1890-1899/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1890-1899_item1/P283.html
>
> JR
>
> On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 8:40:38 PM UTC-4, Leonor Bertoni wrote:
>>
>> Yes, but my problem is this new kid that I can’t find a record for. No
>> baptismal record, just a marriage record.
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 8:38 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> A couple of miscarriages can fit in a 5 year period. Just a thought.
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 5:32 PM Leonor Bertoni 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks JR, I did look in Santa Cruz, nothing. What I found on Ancestry
>>>> was an actual document, a marriage registration, not someone’s tree. I’ve
>>>> been thinking though, I don’t think my great grandfather left the island,
>>>> just my uncle and maybe some siblings. My grandfather never left.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 8:09 PM JR  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It is worth looking in Santa Cruz, Lagoa, because sometimes people
>>>>> moved around depending where there was work. I would be leery of  what
>>>>> Ancestry posts. They don't check or verify anything. And as stated here
>>>>> many times, people just collect names, add them to their trees, and post
>>>>> them without ever checking or verifying. Your work is much more thorough
>>>>> and important.
>>>>>
>>>>> JR
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 7:28:07 PM UTC-4, leonor...@gmail.com
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>> I'm researching my great grandfather Jose Soares Manteiga's line.
>>>>>> Jose Soares Manteiga married Maria Amelia Calheta on 25 Oct 1880, in
>>>>>> Rosario, Lagoa. My researched gave me 9 children all born in Rosario,
>>>>>> Lagoa: Francisco b: 1885, Maria b: 1887, Antonio b: 1889, Jose b; 1890,
>>>>>> Maria b: 1892, Maria b: 1894, Rosa b: 1897, Jacintha b: 1900, Joao b: 
>>>>>> 1903.
>>>>>> Finding it a little bit strange that they didn't have kids until 5 years
>>>>>> after they got married, I went back and looked again, still found 
>>>>>> nothing.
>>>>>> I found all of these kids by searching all the records 1 by 1 from 1880 
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> 1905. Ancestry tells me that there was another child born on February 9,
>>>>>> 1883 by the name of Manoel. It looks like my great grandfather immigrated
>>>>>> to the US in 1902 (according to Ancestry), I also found a marriage
>>>>>> registration for a Manuel Soares Manteiga, son of Jose Soares Manteiga 
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> Maria Amelia Calheta. I searched the baptismal records again, still found
>>>>>> nothing on a Manuel or Manoel born to Jose Soares Manteiga and Maria 
>>>>>> Amelia
>>>>>> Calheta. I am not sure where else to look. Ideas?
>>>>>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] My missing Manoel has been found

[leonor . bertoni]

After looking 5 times at all the records, I decided to look just one more 
time..and there he was, right where he should be!


Leonor

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] help Materno names

[Leonor Bertoni]

Araujo is his last name but not hers.

On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 8:38 PM Elizabeth Migliori 
wrote:

> WOW   I'm guessing my Luz is not last name.   The Araujo is
>
> Thanks everyone
>
> Liz
>
> On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 5:19 PM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca <
> jessdebmendo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Araujo is a really common Portuguese name.  Many in Brazil as well as
>> Portugal—all places— use it.
>>
>> Luz has started to appear in some questions about surname
>> Luis/Luiz/Lewis/Louis which I follow.   Luz confuses me as a last name, but
>> I’ve seen it as a first name.  Are the people who assume Luz is another
>> form of Luiz correct?
>>
>> Debbie
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 2:37 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> No, they are 2 different Portuguesew.  names.
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 2:36 PM Elizabeth Migliori 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes thank you.  Also could Araujo be Arruda in America?
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 1:59 PM Leonor Bertoni 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I think she wants to know if there’s an Americanized version of these
>>>>> names. Luz means light but I’ve never seen them translated.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 4:57 PM Cheri Mello 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Liz, I don't understand your question. These are records from the
>>>>>> Azores, which is part of Portugal. They have nothing to do with America,
>>>>>> unless you are trying to say they emigrated to America.  Cheri
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheri Mello
>>>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>>>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 1:55 PM Liz Migliori 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thx Cheri
>>>>>>> What or how would these be in American?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Apr 9, 2019, at 1:31 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Araujo and Luz.
>>>>>>> Cheri Mello
>>>>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>>>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>>>>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 1:29 PM Elizabeth Migliori <
>>>>>>> lizmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-CONCEICAO-B-1875-1879/SMG-RG-CONCEICAO-B-1875-1879_item1/P318.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can someone tell me the names of maternal grandparents of Maria
>>>>>>>> starts on bottom left.
>>>>>>>> Antonio Joaquim de Aand Maria de
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you
>>>>>>>> Liz
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Manuel Soares Manteiga - Lagoa, Sao Miguel

[Leonor Bertoni]

Yes, but my problem is this new kid that I can’t find a record for. No
baptismal record, just a marriage record.

On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 8:38 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> A couple of miscarriages can fit in a 5 year period. Just a thought.
>
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> On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 5:32 PM Leonor Bertoni 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks JR, I did look in Santa Cruz, nothing. What I found on Ancestry
>> was an actual document, a marriage registration, not someone’s tree. I’ve
>> been thinking though, I don’t think my great grandfather left the island,
>> just my uncle and maybe some siblings. My grandfather never left.
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 8:09 PM JR  wrote:
>>
>>> It is worth looking in Santa Cruz, Lagoa, because sometimes people moved
>>> around depending where there was work. I would be leery of  what Ancestry
>>> posts. They don't check or verify anything. And as stated here many times,
>>> people just collect names, add them to their trees, and post them without
>>> ever checking or verifying. Your work is much more thorough and important.
>>>
>>> JR
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 7:28:07 PM UTC-4, leonor...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello all,
>>>> I'm researching my great grandfather Jose Soares Manteiga's line. Jose
>>>> Soares Manteiga married Maria Amelia Calheta on 25 Oct 1880, in Rosario,
>>>> Lagoa. My researched gave me 9 children all born in Rosario, Lagoa:
>>>> Francisco b: 1885, Maria b: 1887, Antonio b: 1889, Jose b; 1890, Maria b:
>>>> 1892, Maria b: 1894, Rosa b: 1897, Jacintha b: 1900, Joao b: 1903. Finding
>>>> it a little bit strange that they didn't have kids until 5 years after they
>>>> got married, I went back and looked again, still found nothing. I found all
>>>> of these kids by searching all the records 1 by 1 from 1880 to 1905.
>>>> Ancestry tells me that there was another child born on February 9, 1883 by
>>>> the name of Manoel. It looks like my great grandfather immigrated to the US
>>>> in 1902 (according to Ancestry), I also found a marriage registration for a
>>>> Manuel Soares Manteiga, son of Jose Soares Manteiga and Maria Amelia
>>>> Calheta. I searched the baptismal records again, still found nothing on a
>>>> Manuel or Manoel born to Jose Soares Manteiga and Maria Amelia Calheta. I
>>>> am not sure where else to look. Ideas?
>>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Manuel Soares Manteiga - Lagoa, Sao Miguel

[Leonor Bertoni]

Thanks JR, I did look in Santa Cruz, nothing. What I found on Ancestry was
an actual document, a marriage registration, not someone’s tree. I’ve been
thinking though, I don’t think my great grandfather left the island, just
my uncle and maybe some siblings. My grandfather never left.

On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 8:09 PM JR  wrote:

> It is worth looking in Santa Cruz, Lagoa, because sometimes people moved
> around depending where there was work. I would be leery of  what Ancestry
> posts. They don't check or verify anything. And as stated here many times,
> people just collect names, add them to their trees, and post them without
> ever checking or verifying. Your work is much more thorough and important.
>
> JR
>
> On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 7:28:07 PM UTC-4, leonor...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Hello all,
>> I'm researching my great grandfather Jose Soares Manteiga's line. Jose
>> Soares Manteiga married Maria Amelia Calheta on 25 Oct 1880, in Rosario,
>> Lagoa. My researched gave me 9 children all born in Rosario, Lagoa:
>> Francisco b: 1885, Maria b: 1887, Antonio b: 1889, Jose b; 1890, Maria b:
>> 1892, Maria b: 1894, Rosa b: 1897, Jacintha b: 1900, Joao b: 1903. Finding
>> it a little bit strange that they didn't have kids until 5 years after they
>> got married, I went back and looked again, still found nothing. I found all
>> of these kids by searching all the records 1 by 1 from 1880 to 1905.
>> Ancestry tells me that there was another child born on February 9, 1883 by
>> the name of Manoel. It looks like my great grandfather immigrated to the US
>> in 1902 (according to Ancestry), I also found a marriage registration for a
>> Manuel Soares Manteiga, son of Jose Soares Manteiga and Maria Amelia
>> Calheta. I searched the baptismal records again, still found nothing on a
>> Manuel or Manoel born to Jose Soares Manteiga and Maria Amelia Calheta. I
>> am not sure where else to look. Ideas?
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel Soares Manteiga - Lagoa, Sao Miguel

[leonor . bertoni]

Hello all,
I'm researching my great grandfather Jose Soares Manteiga's line. Jose 
Soares Manteiga married Maria Amelia Calheta on 25 Oct 1880, in Rosario, 
Lagoa. My researched gave me 9 children all born in Rosario, Lagoa: 
Francisco b: 1885, Maria b: 1887, Antonio b: 1889, Jose b; 1890, Maria b: 
1892, Maria b: 1894, Rosa b: 1897, Jacintha b: 1900, Joao b: 1903. Finding 
it a little bit strange that they didn't have kids until 5 years after they 
got married, I went back and looked again, still found nothing. I found all 
of these kids by searching all the records 1 by 1 from 1880 to 1905. 
Ancestry tells me that there was another child born on February 9, 1883 by 
the name of Manoel. It looks like my great grandfather immigrated to the US 
in 1902 (according to Ancestry), I also found a marriage registration for a 
Manuel Soares Manteiga, son of Jose Soares Manteiga and Maria Amelia 
Calheta. I searched the baptismal records again, still found nothing on a 
Manuel or Manoel born to Jose Soares Manteiga and Maria Amelia Calheta. I 
am not sure where else to look. Ideas?

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] help Materno names

[Leonor Bertoni]

Yes, I don’t translate anything either, but I know that some names were
Americanized when people immigrated. In my tree I have a family that were
known as Rodrigues when they left the Azores but in the US their name was
changed to Roderick. I also know that Enos is the Americanized version of a
Portuguese last name, I can’t remember which though.

On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 5:05 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> I don't translate names (if I'm curious and want to learn words in
> Portuguese, I use an online translator or a Portuguese-English dictionary).
> I don't translate any place beyond entering the Azores. Some put Azores and
> some put Açores, but after that, it's Portuguese. The island, the council,
> the freguesia, the neighborhood, the people...they all remain in the
> Portuguese language.
>
> It gets weird translating some of the places. Any sometimes, funny (Rabo
> de Peixe = Fish tail).
> Cheri Mello
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> On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 1:59 PM Leonor Bertoni 
> wrote:
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>> I think she wants to know if there’s an Americanized version of these
>> names. Luz means light but I’ve never seen them translated.
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 4:57 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> Liz, I don't understand your question. These are records from the
>>> Azores, which is part of Portugal. They have nothing to do with America,
>>> unless you are trying to say they emigrated to America.  Cheri
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
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>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 1:55 PM Liz Migliori  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thx Cheri
>>>> What or how would these be in American?
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 9, 2019, at 1:31 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Araujo and Luz.
>>>> Cheri Mello
>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
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>>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 1:29 PM Elizabeth Migliori 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-CONCEICAO-B-1875-1879/SMG-RG-CONCEICAO-B-1875-1879_item1/P318.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Can someone tell me the names of maternal grandparents of Maria starts
>>>>> on bottom left.
>>>>> Antonio Joaquim de Aand Maria de
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you
>>>>> Liz
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] help Materno names

[Leonor Bertoni]

I think she wants to know if there’s an Americanized version of these
names. Luz means light but I’ve never seen them translated.

On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 4:57 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Liz, I don't understand your question. These are records from the Azores,
> which is part of Portugal. They have nothing to do with America, unless you
> are trying to say they emigrated to America.  Cheri
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
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> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 1:55 PM Liz Migliori  wrote:
>
>> Thx Cheri
>> What or how would these be in American?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 9, 2019, at 1:31 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>> Araujo and Luz.
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 1:29 PM Elizabeth Migliori 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-CONCEICAO-B-1875-1879/SMG-RG-CONCEICAO-B-1875-1879_item1/P318.html
>>>
>>> Can someone tell me the names of maternal grandparents of Maria starts
>>> on bottom left.
>>> Antonio Joaquim de Aand Maria de
>>>
>>> Thank you
>>> Liz
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Off Subject question about Family Treekmaker software

[Leonor Bertoni]

Yes, I know how to do that, what I was talking about was a blank spouse. It
showed 2 spouses but one without a name. What I think happened was that
there was 2 “marriage facts” in my Ancestry tree, one I had entered
manually and the other was from a census or something. Those people had 2
marriage facts, same date but only one had a spouse’s name. I deleted the
extra fact but it didn’t delete from FTM right away. It eventually did, I
had 3 like that.

On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 8:32 PM 'Altino Demelo' via Azores Genealogy <
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> Leonor, if you’re using FTM, select the individual through the list of
> name’s under the tree tab. With that person active, their should be a fly
> out menu bewitch an arrow at the top with a groom and bride avatar button.
> Click on the down arrow right beside the groom and bride avatar and a menu
> list should appear.  Select “Delete Person”
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 4, 2019, at 8:23 PM, Leonor Bertoni 
> wrote:
>
> Are you using FTM? If so, it had added an unknown spouse to some of my
> living relatives. I deleted the fact on Ancestry and it eventually deleted
> from FTM. I couldn’t figure out how to delete it from FTM.
>
> On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 8:05 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Does anyone know how to delete an “unknown spouse”.  I have inadvertently
>> hit the “add a spouse” button when there was no spouse to add.  I know how
>> to delete a person who has a name but; it won’t let me delete the blank
>> spouse so, I have 3 spouses showing instead of 2 and that is messing things
>> up.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks all,
>>
>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Off Subject question about Family Treekmaker software

[Leonor Bertoni]

Are you using FTM? If so, it had added an unknown spouse to some of my
living relatives. I deleted the fact on Ancestry and it eventually deleted
from FTM. I couldn’t figure out how to delete it from FTM.

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>
>
> Does anyone know how to delete an “unknown spouse”.  I have inadvertently
> hit the “add a spouse” button when there was no spouse to add.  I know how
> to delete a person who has a name but; it won’t let me delete the blank
> spouse so, I have 3 spouses showing instead of 2 and that is messing things
> up.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with last name

[Leonor Bertoni]

Thank you!

On Tue, 2 Apr 2019 at 12:49, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
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> Leonor;  I’ve also seen it spelled Curvelho and Corvello.  I think it just
> depends on which priest is writing the document and you have to pick a
> spelling for your records and stick with it while putting the other
> spellings in your note field or you AKA field.
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
>
> *From: *leonor.bert...@gmail.com
> *Sent: *Monday, April 1, 2019 7:33 PM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject: *[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with last name
>
>
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm researching the family below but I think I see different variations of
> the last name, I know this is normal but I want to make sure that I have
> the closest spelling of the name. The name I'm looking for is
> Cruvello/Curvello...or maybe it's something else. I just need clarification
> of the Cruvello/Curvello/Something else name.
>
>
>
> This record is for Andre Cruvello (?) in the side note but on the body of
> the document it say Frias (after his mom) marrying Ursula de Andrade
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1684-1716/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1684-1716_item1/P154.html
>
>
>
> This record is clearer but I can't really make out the bride's father's
> name, I think I see an "h"
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1684-1716/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1684-1716_item1/P147.html
>
>
>
> These are two siblings.
>
>
>
> Leonor
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with last name

[leonor . bertoni]

Sorry, I see Frias for the mother's name but could it be Fernandes?



On Monday, 1 April 2019 22:33:22 UTC-4, leonor...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
> I'm researching the family below but I think I see different variations of 
> the last name, I know this is normal but I want to make sure that I have 
> the closest spelling of the name. The name I'm looking for is 
> Cruvello/Curvello...or maybe it's something else. I just need clarification 
> of the Cruvello/Curvello/Something else name.
>
> This record is for Andre Cruvello (?) in the side note but on the body of 
> the document it say Frias (after his mom) marrying Ursula de Andrade
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1684-1716/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1684-1716_item1/P154.html
>
> This record is clearer but I can't really make out the bride's father's 
> name, I think I see an "h"
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1684-1716/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1684-1716_item1/P147.html
>
> These are two siblings.
>
> Leonor
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with last name

[leonor . bertoni]

Hi everyone,
I'm researching the family below but I think I see different variations of 
the last name, I know this is normal but I want to make sure that I have 
the closest spelling of the name. The name I'm looking for is 
Cruvello/Curvello...or maybe it's something else. I just need clarification 
of the Cruvello/Curvello/Something else name.

This record is for Andre Cruvello (?) in the side note but on the body of 
the document it say Frias (after his mom) marrying Ursula de Andrade
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1684-1716/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1684-1716_item1/P154.html

This record is clearer but I can't really make out the bride's father's 
name, I think I see an "h"
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1684-1716/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1684-1716_item1/P147.html

These are two siblings.

Leonor

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can someone explain this record

[Leonor Bertoni]

Thanks Francisco. So this baptism was performed at home shortly after the
baby was born.

Side note: I ended up buying your book through Wook, just received it (we
were talking about it on Facebook).

On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 1:38 PM Genealogia sem segredos <
genealogiasemsegre...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Baptism could only be made once. This is why priests sometimes used the
> expression "sub conditione", meaning that the child was baptized in church
> just in case the baptism made at home was not done properly.
>
> When you find a record mentioning a baptism "sub conditione", and if its
> not the case of an abandoned baby, it means that the priest was previously
> informed that someone baptized the baby at home, surely for being afraid
> that this baby would die.
>
> Francisco Queiroz
> ("Genealogia sem segredos" researcher)
>
>
>
>
>
>  escreveu no dia sábado, 30/03/2019 à(s) 00:12:
>
>> It says that the baby was baptized "sob conditione" which I know it means
>> that the baby was baptized at home by the midwife under the condition that
>> if he could later be baptized by the priest he would be. Does this record
>> mean that he was later baptized by the priest? It doesn't give a date of
>> the baptism, just wondering if the priest was just validating the baptism
>> that happened at home. I did not find an obit for around that time for this
>> child.
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1772-1789/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1772-1789_item1/P387.html
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Can someone explain this record

[leonor . bertoni]

It says that the baby was baptized "sob conditione" which I know it means 
that the baby was baptized at home by the midwife under the condition that 
if he could later be baptized by the priest he would be. Does this record 
mean that he was later baptized by the priest? It doesn't give a date of 
the baptism, just wondering if the priest was just validating the baptism 
that happened at home. I did not find an obit for around that time for this 
child.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1772-1789/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1772-1789_item1/P387.html

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with birth day

[leonor . bertoni]

I cannot read the day of the birth or the day of the baptism. I get the 
month and year but I keep seeing 32 of March for birthdate. Can someone 
help, please?

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1772-1789/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1772-1789_item1/P330.html

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with birth & baptism date

[leonor . bertoni]

Thank you both. I think I see Junho now as well.

Leonor

On Friday, 29 March 2019 09:38:36 UTC-4, JR wrote:
>
> I think it says, 4- Junho, 1764 (can't see letter L for July). Pad- Pedro 
> Rodrigues cazado com Bernarda dos (Santos maybe?) natural de Matriz de Sao 
> Sebastiao de Cidade de Ponta Delgada e madrinha Sebastianna de Pimentel 
> filha familias de Francisco da Costa Pires and Jozefa de Pimentel natural 
> desta parochial da NS do Rozario da Villa da Lagoa.
>
> JR
>
> On Friday, March 29, 2019 at 1:34:44 AM UTC-4, bsei...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Enlarging and darkening Pedro's last name I see what looks like 
>> Rod**ig***.  I think it might be Rodrigues.
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> On Thursday, March 28, 2019 at 9:45:23 PM UTC-7, bsei...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Leonor,
>>>
>>> I don't think is says "...quatro digo doze.."  I think it says "quatro 
>>> dias do mez de..."
>>>
>>> It then goes on to say baptism was on 12 of the same month and year.  
>>> ("Doze" is not very clear but I think I see it)
>>>
>>> Padrinho is Pedro as you said but there is an ink blot where his last 
>>> name should be so I can't get that.  It does say that he is married and 
>>> natural of Matriz de São Sebastião, City of Ponta Delgada.  What I see for 
>>> madrinha  is Sebastiana de Pimentel, filha familhas of Francisco da Costa 
>>> Pires? and Josefa de Pimentel.
>>>
>>> Bill Seidler
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 28, 2019 at 8:57:15 PM UTC-7, leonor...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 This is a very faint record. I can make out Antonia filha de Manoel da 
 Costa e de sua mulher Josefa Govea. I need the birth date, I think I see 
 narceu a quatro, digo doze do mez de Julho de 1764.  I can't make out the 
 day of her baptism but I think it was on the same month as her birth. Her 
 godfather was Pedro somebody and her godmother was Someone de Pimentel. 


 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1756-1772/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1756-1772_item1/P264.html

 TIA
 Leonor

>>>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Please help me make sense of this couple - Sebastião de Medeiros and Joanna, São Miguel

[leonor . bertoni]

Ha! My excuse is always the same, it is there so it needs to be visited! 
I'm actually planning on going to Algarve & Sao Miguel in October 2020 with 
2 of my cousins for research.

On Friday, 29 March 2019 09:43:06 UTC-4, JR wrote:
>
> Leonor, you should have stayed in the dark. Now you don't have excuse to 
> visit Sao Miguel;)
>
> Margaret thanks again!
>
> JR
>
> On Thursday, March 28, 2019 at 9:56:56 PM UTC-4, Leonor Bertoni wrote:
>>
>> Margaret!! Thank you so much!
>>
>> I was getting ready to book my trip to search for these myself! 
>>
>> On Thu, 28 Mar 2019 at 21:54, Margaret Vicente  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Good news, check the back of the book, you will find all of the 135 
>>> pages.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Here’s 34v
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1829-1836/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1829-1836_item1/P345.html
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *From: *JR
>>> *Sent: *March 28, 2019 9:37 PM
>>> *To: *Azores Genealogy
>>> *Subject: *[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Please help me make sense of this 
>>> couple - Sebastião de Medeiros and Joanna, São Miguel
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Some interesting findings, Leonor. Go to this link, which is the index 
>>> for baptisms in Rosario, 1829-1836: 
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-I-1797-1859/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-I-1797-1859_item1/P35.html
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> You will see Joanna, page 34 verso, filha de Antonio de Medeiros and 
>>> Anna Jacinta, book 1829-1836. This is a different couple than your finding 
>>> of Joanna. It is your missing Joanna. Now when you try to find page 34 
>>> verso, it is missing!! They left out pages from about 1829-April 1833 
>>> (pages 1-135). Three years of baptisms are missing! 
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> JR
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 28, 2019 at 2:39:23 PM UTC-4, leonor...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> With the help of JR, I have been able to find a bunch of information on 
>>> my greats (Thank you). But this one leaves me a little bit confused. (A 
>>> little bit is an understatement)
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Sebastiao is my 2nd great grandfather and Joanna is, obviously, my 2nd 
>>> great grandmother but in a plot twist, she's also my 2nd great aunt.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Sebastiao's records are pretty consistent (until his son Victorino) but 
>>> Joanna leaves my head spinning. I am hoping that someone with more 
>>> experience can help me make sense of this.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Their marriage record shows Sebastiao de Medeiros s/o Henrique Jose & 
>>> Maria Magdalena and Joanna Emilia d/o Antonio de Medeiros & Anna Jacinta
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1832-1853/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1832-1853_item1/P330.html
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Sebastiao's baptismal record shows s/o Henrique Jose & Maria Magdalena
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1823-1829/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1823-1829_item1/P57.html
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> I believe this to be Joanna's baptismal record (I am still 
>>> looking) which shows d/o Antonio Medeiros & Helena Thomazia 
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1823-1829/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1823-1829_item1/P322.html
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> What I have:
>>>
>>> Children of Sebastiao de Medeiros & Joanna Candida
>>>
>>> Manoel - Jul. 8 1850 - Pat - Henrique de Medeiros & Maria Magdalena; Mat 
>>> - Antonio da Costa & Maria de Jesus 
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1847-1851/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1847-1851_item1/P301.html
>>>
>>> Manoel - Jun. 24 1853 - Pat - Henrique de Medeiros & Maria de Jesus; Mat 
>>> - Antonio de Medeiros & Jacinta Thomazia   
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1851-1854/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1851-1854_item1/P242.html
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Children of Sebastiao de Medeiros & Joanna Emilia
>>>
>>> Maria - Abt. 1859 (from obit) 
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/bibli

[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with birth & baptism date

[leonor . bertoni]

This is a very faint record. I can make out Antonia filha de Manoel da 
Costa e de sua mulher Josefa Govea. I need the birth date, I think I see 
narceu a quatro, digo doze do mez de Julho de 1764.  I can't make out the 
day of her baptism but I think it was on the same month as her birth. Her 
godfather was Pedro somebody and her godmother was Someone de Pimentel. 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1756-1772/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1756-1772_item1/P264.html

TIA
Leonor

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Please help me make sense of this couple - Sebastião de Medeiros and Joanna, São Miguel

[Leonor Bertoni]

Margaret!! Thank you so much!

I was getting ready to book my trip to search for these myself!

On Thu, 28 Mar 2019 at 21:54, Margaret Vicente 
wrote:

> Good news, check the back of the book, you will find all of the 135 pages.
>
>
>
> Here’s 34v
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1829-1836/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1829-1836_item1/P345.html
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *JR 
> *Sent: *March 28, 2019 9:37 PM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject: *[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Please help me make sense of this
> couple - Sebastião de Medeiros and Joanna, São Miguel
>
>
>
> Some interesting findings, Leonor. Go to this link, which is the index for
> baptisms in Rosario, 1829-1836:
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-I-1797-1859/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-I-1797-1859_item1/P35.html
>
>
>
> You will see Joanna, page 34 verso, filha de Antonio de Medeiros and Anna
> Jacinta, book 1829-1836. This is a different couple than your finding of
> Joanna. It is your missing Joanna. Now when you try to find page 34 verso,
> it is missing!! They left out pages from about 1829-April 1833 (pages
> 1-135). Three years of baptisms are missing!
>
>
>
> JR
>
> On Thursday, March 28, 2019 at 2:39:23 PM UTC-4, leonor...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
> With the help of JR, I have been able to find a bunch of information on my
> greats (Thank you). But this one leaves me a little bit confused. (A little
> bit is an understatement)
>
>
>
> Sebastiao is my 2nd great grandfather and Joanna is, obviously, my 2nd
> great grandmother but in a plot twist, she's also my 2nd great aunt.
>
>
>
> Sebastiao's records are pretty consistent (until his son Victorino) but
> Joanna leaves my head spinning. I am hoping that someone with more
> experience can help me make sense of this.
>
>
>
> Their marriage record shows Sebastiao de Medeiros s/o Henrique Jose &
> Maria Magdalena and Joanna Emilia d/o Antonio de Medeiros & Anna Jacinta
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1832-1853/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1832-1853_item1/P330.html
>
>
>
> Sebastiao's baptismal record shows s/o Henrique Jose & Maria Magdalena
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1823-1829/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1823-1829_item1/P57.html
>
>
>
> I believe this to be Joanna's baptismal record (I am still looking) which
> shows d/o Antonio Medeiros & Helena Thomazia
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1823-1829/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1823-1829_item1/P322.html
>
>
>
> What I have:
>
> Children of Sebastiao de Medeiros & Joanna Candida
>
> Manoel - Jul. 8 1850 - Pat - Henrique de Medeiros & Maria Magdalena; Mat -
> Antonio da Costa & Maria de Jesus
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1847-1851/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1847-1851_item1/P301.html
>
> Manoel - Jun. 24 1853 - Pat - Henrique de Medeiros & Maria de Jesus; Mat -
> Antonio de Medeiros & Jacinta Thomazia
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1851-1854/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1851-1854_item1/P242.html
>
>
>
> Children of Sebastiao de Medeiros & Joanna Emilia
>
> Maria - Abt. 1859 (from obit)
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-O-1906-1911/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-O-1906-1911_item1/P5.html
>
> Maria - Jul. 26 1863 Pat - Henrique Jose de Medeiros & Maria Thomazia;
> Mats - Antonio da Costa & Maria de Jesus
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1860-1866/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1860-1866_item1/P299.html
>
> Francisco -  Sept. 25 1867 - Pat - Henrique de Medeiros & Maria Magdalena;
> Mat - Antonio da Costa Zangao & Anna Jacintha
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1867-1869/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1867-1869_item1/P32.html
>
> Victorino - Apr. 10 1872 - Pat - Joaquim de Medeiros & Maria Magdalena;
> Mat - Joao de Medeiros Manteiga & Anna de Jesus
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1870-1879/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1870-1879_item1/P159.html
>
>
>
> If we say that both of these couples are the same couple, then Antonio da
> Costa, Antonio de Medeiros and Joao de Medeiros are the same person as well
> (Manteiga and Zangao are apelidos). Maria de Jesus, Anna Jacintha, Jacinta
> Thomazia and Anna de Jesus are also the same person. Henrique Jose de
> Medeiros and Joaquim de Medeiros are the same person and Maria Thomazia,
> Maria Magdalena and Maria de Jesus are also the same person. It doesn't
> make a whole lot of sense but it doesn't make any sense any other way
> either. Am I seeing this right? If so, how do I record this?
>
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Andrade - Santa Maria

[Leonor Bertoni]

Thank you! So much to learn.

Leonor

On Thu, 28 Mar 2019 at 20:50, Ângela Loura  wrote:

> Hi Leonor,
>
> Nossa Senhora das Candeias is another name given to the church of Nossa
> Senhora da Purificação , in Santo Espírito.
> That's where you need to research.
>
>  escreveu no dia quinta, 28/03/2019 à(s) 23:47:
>
>> Thanks Bill!
>>
>> Leonor
>>
>> On Thursday, 28 March 2019 19:46:04 UTC-4, bsei...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm not familiar with a parish call Candeias, but I found this web site
>>> that says it is another name for NS da Purificação in Santo Espirito so I
>>> would try there.
>>>
>>> https://www.wickedlocal.com/article/20120116/News/301169671
>>>
>>> Bill Seidler
>>> On Thursday, March 28, 2019 at 4:34:19 PM UTC-7, Sam Koester wrote:

 Leonor, I thought we would eventually find we are related based on some
 of the names you are researching.  I’m not in Rosario….. yet but; do have a
 few Andrade people.



 Sam (Mazatlán, MX)



 *From: *leonor...@gmail.com
 *Sent: *Thursday, March 28, 2019 4:26 PM
 *To: *Azores Genealogy
 *Subject: *[AZORES-Genealogy] Andrade - Santa Maria



 Looks like my research has let me to Santa Maria! What fun.



 This record is from my 3rd great grandmother & my 3rd great aunt
 (twins). I cannot read the parish they are from. This record is great for
 the era but I am not familiar with Santa Maria island so any help will be
 appreciated!!




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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Andrade - Santa Maria

[Leonor Bertoni]

That's awesome! Do you have your DNA uploaded anywhere we can check?

Leonor

On Thu, 28 Mar 2019 at 19:34, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Leonor, I thought we would eventually find we are related based on some of
> the names you are researching.  I’m not in Rosario….. yet but; do have a
> few Andrade people.
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
>
> *From: *leonor.bert...@gmail.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, March 28, 2019 4:26 PM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject: *[AZORES-Genealogy] Andrade - Santa Maria
>
>
>
> Looks like my research has let me to Santa Maria! What fun.
>
>
>
> This record is from my 3rd great grandmother & my 3rd great aunt (twins).
> I cannot read the parish they are from. This record is great for the era
> but I am not familiar with Santa Maria island so any help will be
> appreciated!!
>
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1797-1815/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1797-1815_item1/P67.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Andrade - Santa Maria

[Leonor Bertoni]

Sam? I think you may have replied to something about meeting someone to
this thread instead of where it's supposed to be, just in case you're
waiting for a response!

On Thu, 28 Mar 2019 at 19:34, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Leonor, I thought we would eventually find we are related based on some of
> the names you are researching.  I’m not in Rosario….. yet but; do have a
> few Andrade people.
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
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>
> Looks like my research has let me to Santa Maria! What fun.
>
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>
> This record is from my 3rd great grandmother & my 3rd great aunt (twins).
> I cannot read the parish they are from. This record is great for the era
> but I am not familiar with Santa Maria island so any help will be
> appreciated!!
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>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1797-1815/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1797-1815_item1/P67.html
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Andrade - Santa Maria

[leonor . bertoni]

Looks like my research has let me to Santa Maria! What fun.

This record is from my 3rd great grandmother & my 3rd great aunt (twins). I 
cannot read the parish they are from. This record is great for the era but 
I am not familiar with Santa Maria island so any help will be appreciated!!

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1797-1815/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1797-1815_item1/P67.html


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Please help me make sense of this couple - Sebastião de Medeiros and Joanna, São Miguel

[leonor . bertoni]

Thank you again, JR! 

This is very interesting because this record actually clears up a post from 
yesterday. It looks like Mr. Squiggles made an appearance in this record 
and it's actually Alexandre not Lixandre like we thought!

I think you are right, Joaquim is probably an error. Reminds me of my 
brother, whenever he can't remember someone's name he calls them 
Joaquim.don't know why or how this started. I am making notes and 
moving on, hopefully something will show up that will clear this a bit. The 
only time this has happened in the time I've been researching was with 
another grandmother, she had different parents but then I realized that she 
was an "exposta" so it explained things a bit, Joanna is not an exposta as 
far as I can tell.



On Thursday, 28 March 2019 18:33:31 UTC-4, JR wrote:
>
> "Victorino - Apr. 10 1872 - Pat - Joaquim de Medeiros & Maria Magdalena; 
> Mat - Joao de Medeiros Manteiga & Anna de Jesus" 
>
> I can tell you I looked for Joaquim de Medeiros in Rosario, not there in 
> the required time period. So this one is likely an error. But there is one 
> other possibility. Sometimes people went to work in other villages or 
> another part of the same village that is part of another freguesia. In this 
> case that would be Santa Cruz da Lagoa. You have done an exhaustive search 
> in Rosario, so now do a check of Santa Cruz, then you can reevaluate the 
> whole body of information.  Also remember that Sebastiao de Medeiros has 
> brother named Joao [Jacinto] de Medeiros cc Ana Tomasia de Jesus, 29 Sep 
> 1828.  This may be adding to the confusion.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1799-1832/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1799-1832_item1/P408.html
>
> JR
>
> On Thursday, March 28, 2019 at 2:39:23 PM UTC-4, leonor...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>>
>> With the help of JR, I have been able to find a bunch of information on 
>> my greats (Thank you). But this one leaves me a little bit confused. (A 
>> little bit is an understatement)
>>
>> Sebastiao is my 2nd great grandfather and Joanna is, obviously, my 2nd 
>> great grandmother but in a plot twist, she's also my 2nd great aunt.
>>
>> Sebastiao's records are pretty consistent (until his son Victorino) but 
>> Joanna leaves my head spinning. I am hoping that someone with more 
>> experience can help me make sense of this.
>>
>> Their marriage record shows Sebastiao de Medeiros s/o Henrique Jose & 
>> Maria Magdalena and Joanna Emilia d/o Antonio de Medeiros & Anna Jacinta
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1832-1853/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1832-1853_item1/P330.html
>>
>> Sebastiao's baptismal record shows s/o Henrique Jose & Maria Magdalena
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1823-1829/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1823-1829_item1/P57.html
>>
>> I believe this to be Joanna's baptismal record (I am still looking) which 
>> shows d/o Antonio Medeiros & Helena Thomazia 
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1823-1829/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1823-1829_item1/P322.html
>>
>> What I have:
>> Children of Sebastiao de Medeiros & Joanna Candida
>> Manoel - Jul. 8 1850 - Pat - Henrique de Medeiros & Maria Magdalena; Mat 
>> - Antonio da Costa & Maria de Jesus 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1847-1851/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1847-1851_item1/P301.html
>> Manoel - Jun. 24 1853 - Pat - Henrique de Medeiros & Maria de Jesus; Mat 
>> - Antonio de Medeiros & Jacinta Thomazia   
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1851-1854/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1851-1854_item1/P242.html
>>
>> Children of Sebastiao de Medeiros & Joanna Emilia
>> Maria - Abt. 1859 (from obit) 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-O-1906-1911/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-O-1906-1911_item1/P5.html
>> Maria - Jul. 26 1863 Pat - Henrique Jose de Medeiros & Maria Thomazia; 
>> Mats - Antonio da Costa & Maria de Jesus   
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1860-1866/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1860-1866_item1/P299.html
>> Francisco -  Sept. 25 1867 - Pat - Henrique de Medeiros & Maria 
>> Magdalena; Mat - Antonio da Costa Zangao & Anna Jacintha   
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1867-1869/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1867-1869_item1/P32.html
>> Victorino - Apr. 10 1872 - Pat - Joaquim de Medeiros & Maria Magdalena; 
>> Mat - Joao de Medeiros Manteiga & Anna de Jesus
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1870-1879/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1870-1879_item1/P159.html
>>
>> If we say that both of these couples are the same couple, then Antonio da 
>> Costa, Antonio de Medeiros and Joao de Medeiros are the same person as well 
>> (Manteiga and Zangao are apelidos). Maria de Jesus, Anna Jacintha, Jacinta 
>> Thomazia and Anna de Jesus are also the same person. Henrique Jose de 
>> Medeiros and Joaquim de 

[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Attaching the CCA images to your Ancestry.com Tree

[leonor . bertoni]

I add some of that information in the description field of the uploaded 
file. I only add the godparents' names, where they lived and what time they 
were born if that information is available.



On Thursday, 28 March 2019 15:55:46 UTC-4, Mary Pimentel Wheeler wrote:
>
> I do the same as Lenor, except that I use my photo program (ACDSee Photo 
> Studio, which is cheap and easy to use) to add text to the photo, and put 
> in a brief translation, such as:  Joao, son of Jose Whatever, b. 3 Sept 
> 1899, Lomba, Flores, Azores.  Pat GParents: Manuel Whatever and his wife 
> Maria; Pat GParents: Jose Lastname and his wife Maria.
>
> On Thursday, March 28, 2019 at 12:05:33 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> Anyone who knows how to attach the CCA images to the trees on 
>> Ancestry.com, please post the directions here.
>> Thanks!
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree Maker

[leonor . bertoni]

I seem to remember someone asking about last names on FTM and some 
instructions being given. I have, accidentally, found some other usual 
information that I do not think was included at the time. If this is all 
stuff that is already well know, I apologize.

It was mentioned before that you need to put backslashes around the last 
name on names that have da, do, de so that it uses only the name after the 
da, do, de as the last name Joao da Costa, I would enter Joao da /Costa/. 
You can also put it at the end of the name to show that there isn't a last 
name, for example; Maria de Jesus, I enter Maria de Jesus // this keeps the 
whole thing as a first name. This saves me from going back and editing all 
the "de something" names.
It does not matter where the name is, if you put the backslashes around it, 
it automatically becomes a last name, this is useful if there is a known 
"apelido". For example; Joao Soares Manteiga, I know that Manteiga was an 
apelido but sometimes it is used as a last name by some of his relatives. I 
enter it as Joao /Soares/ Manteiga. This will sort the name by Soares not 
by Manteiga, but Manteiga will still show. 
I have had a situation where I uploaded my FTM tree to Ancestry and all my 
ancestors come up as "living" because there isn't a "deceased" option on 
FTM. I now just enter "unknown" in the death field. This marks them all 
deceased on Ancestry.


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Attaching the CCA images to your Ancestry.com Tree

[leonor . bertoni]

I just save a copy to my computer and add it as a media file, I also attach 
a link to the person's profile.

To add as a media file:
Right click on the image
Save to my computer
Give it a name and location
Save

To attach to someone's profile on Ancestry:
Go to the person's profile -> Gallery -> upload media

To attach a link to the person's profile:
Go to profile -> Facts -> Add Weblink

I do both in case the records disappear. 

On Thursday, 28 March 2019 15:05:33 UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Anyone who knows how to attach the CCA images to the trees on 
> Ancestry.com, please post the directions here.
> Thanks!
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please help me make sense of this couple - Sebastião de Medeiros and Joanna, São Miguel

[leonor . bertoni]

Thanks Cheri. So far, these are the only kids have have been able to find.

Do you mean Sebastiao and Joanna are 2 different couples? Sebastiao's 
parents are pretty consistent throughout though, it's Joanna that is 
confusing. The two kids below with the different couples have pretty much 
the same grandparents.

What I have:
Children of Sebastiao de Medeiros & Joanna Candida
Manoel - Jul. 8 1850 - Pat - Henrique de Medeiros & Maria Magdalena; Mat - 
Antonio da Costa & Maria de Jesus 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1847-1851/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1847-1851_item1/P301.html

Children of Sebastiao de Medeiros & Joanna Emilia
Maria - Jul. 26 1863 Pat - Henrique Jose de Medeiros & Maria Thomazia; Mat 
- Antonio da Costa & Maria de Jesus   
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1860-1866/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1860-1866_item1/P299.html

On Thursday, 28 March 2019 14:49:28 UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> I only did a cursory look. It's 2 different couples. Maybe the 2 
> Sebastiaos are cousins or something. You will have to collect all the kids 
> and sort it out. Or maybe someone 
> else already has this couple :)
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 11:39 AM > 
> wrote:
>
>> With the help of JR, I have been able to find a bunch of information on 
>> my greats (Thank you). But this one leaves me a little bit confused. (A 
>> little bit is an understatement)
>>
>> Sebastiao is my 2nd great grandfather and Joanna is, obviously, my 2nd 
>> great grandmother but in a plot twist, she's also my 2nd great aunt.
>>
>> Sebastiao's records are pretty consistent (until his son Victorino) but 
>> Joanna leaves my head spinning. I am hoping that someone with more 
>> experience can help me make sense of this.
>>
>> Their marriage record shows Sebastiao de Medeiros s/o Henrique Jose & 
>> Maria Magdalena and Joanna Emilia d/o Antonio de Medeiros & Anna Jacinta
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1832-1853/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1832-1853_item1/P330.html
>>
>> Sebastiao's baptismal record shows s/o Henrique Jose & Maria Magdalena
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1823-1829/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1823-1829_item1/P57.html
>>
>> I believe this to be Joanna's baptismal record (I am still looking) which 
>> shows d/o Antonio Medeiros & Helena Thomazia 
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1823-1829/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1823-1829_item1/P322.html
>>
>> What I have:
>> Children of Sebastiao de Medeiros & Joanna Candida
>> Manoel - Jul. 8 1850 - Pat - Henrique de Medeiros & Maria Magdalena; Mat 
>> - Antonio da Costa & Maria de Jesus 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1847-1851/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1847-1851_item1/P301.html
>> Manoel - Jun. 24 1853 - Pat - Henrique de Medeiros & Maria de Jesus; Mat 
>> - Antonio de Medeiros & Jacinta Thomazia   
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1851-1854/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1851-1854_item1/P242.html
>>
>> Children of Sebastiao de Medeiros & Joanna Emilia
>> Maria - Abt. 1859 (from obit) 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-O-1906-1911/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-O-1906-1911_item1/P5.html
>> Maria - Jul. 26 1863 Pat - Henrique Jose de Medeiros & Maria Thomazia; 
>> Mats - Antonio da Costa & Maria de Jesus   
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1860-1866/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1860-1866_item1/P299.html
>> Francisco -  Sept. 25 1867 - Pat - Henrique de Medeiros & Maria 
>> Magdalena; Mat - Antonio da Costa Zangao & Anna Jacintha   
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1867-1869/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1867-1869_item1/P32.html
>> Victorino - Apr. 10 1872 - Pat - Joaquim de Medeiros & Maria Magdalena; 
>> Mat - Joao de Medeiros Manteiga & Anna de Jesus
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1870-1879/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1870-1879_item1/P159.html
>>
>> If we say that both of these couples are the same couple, then Antonio da 
>> Costa, Antonio de Medeiros and Joao de Medeiros are the same person as well 
>> (Manteiga and Zangao are apelidos). Maria de Jesus, Anna Jacintha, Jacinta 
>> Thomazia and Anna de Jesus are also the same person. Henrique Jose de 
>> Medeiros and Joaquim de Medeiros are the same person and Maria Thomazia, 
>> Maria Magdalena and Maria de Jesus are also the same person. It doesn't 
>> make a whole lot of sense but it doesn't make any sense any other way 
>> either. Am I seeing this right? If so, how do I record this?
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Please help me make sense of this couple - Sebastião de Medeiros and Joanna, São Miguel

[leonor . bertoni]

With the help of JR, I have been able to find a bunch of information on my 
greats (Thank you). But this one leaves me a little bit confused. (A little 
bit is an understatement)

Sebastiao is my 2nd great grandfather and Joanna is, obviously, my 2nd 
great grandmother but in a plot twist, she's also my 2nd great aunt.

Sebastiao's records are pretty consistent (until his son Victorino) but 
Joanna leaves my head spinning. I am hoping that someone with more 
experience can help me make sense of this.

Their marriage record shows Sebastiao de Medeiros s/o Henrique Jose & Maria 
Magdalena and Joanna Emilia d/o Antonio de Medeiros & Anna Jacinta
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1832-1853/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1832-1853_item1/P330.html

Sebastiao's baptismal record shows s/o Henrique Jose & Maria Magdalena
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1823-1829/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1823-1829_item1/P57.html

I believe this to be Joanna's baptismal record (I am still looking) which 
shows d/o Antonio Medeiros & Helena Thomazia 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1823-1829/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1823-1829_item1/P322.html

What I have:
Children of Sebastiao de Medeiros & Joanna Candida
Manoel - Jul. 8 1850 - Pat - Henrique de Medeiros & Maria Magdalena; Mat - 
Antonio da Costa & Maria de Jesus 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1847-1851/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1847-1851_item1/P301.html
Manoel - Jun. 24 1853 - Pat - Henrique de Medeiros & Maria de Jesus; Mat - 
Antonio de Medeiros & Jacinta Thomazia   
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1851-1854/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1851-1854_item1/P242.html

Children of Sebastiao de Medeiros & Joanna Emilia
Maria - Abt. 1859 (from obit) 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-O-1906-1911/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-O-1906-1911_item1/P5.html
Maria - Jul. 26 1863 Pat - Henrique Jose de Medeiros & Maria Thomazia; Mats 
- Antonio da Costa & Maria de Jesus   
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1860-1866/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1860-1866_item1/P299.html
Francisco -  Sept. 25 1867 - Pat - Henrique de Medeiros & Maria Magdalena; 
Mat - Antonio da Costa Zangao & Anna Jacintha   
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1867-1869/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1867-1869_item1/P32.html
Victorino - Apr. 10 1872 - Pat - Joaquim de Medeiros & Maria Magdalena; Mat 
- Joao de Medeiros Manteiga & Anna de Jesus
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1870-1879/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1870-1879_item1/P159.html

If we say that both of these couples are the same couple, then Antonio da 
Costa, Antonio de Medeiros and Joao de Medeiros are the same person as well 
(Manteiga and Zangao are apelidos). Maria de Jesus, Anna Jacintha, Jacinta 
Thomazia and Anna de Jesus are also the same person. Henrique Jose de 
Medeiros and Joaquim de Medeiros are the same person and Maria Thomazia, 
Maria Magdalena and Maria de Jesus are also the same person. It doesn't 
make a whole lot of sense but it doesn't make any sense any other way 
either. Am I seeing this right? If so, how do I record this?



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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Marianna - Baptism?

[Leonor Bertoni]

Hi George,
Thanks for this. I was going to do some research on this as well because I
was wondering the same. I will read this when I have some time.

Leonor

On Thu, 28 Mar 2019 at 12:31, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Interesting reading.  Thanks for sharing.
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
>
> *From: *George Medeiros 
> *Sent: *Thursday, March 28, 2019 9:11 AM
> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Marianna - Baptism?
>
>
>
> Here is a link in regards to why slave would be baptized and how common
> was the
>
> practice,
>
>
> https://www.neh.gov/humanities/2017/winter/feature/moldy-church-records-in-latin-america-document-the-lives-millions-slaves
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
> On Mar 28, 2019, at 6:18 AM, George Medeiros 
> wrote:
>
> You got my interest going as to why a slave would be baptized. In reading
> about the history of slavery in Spain and Portugal I read that in the
> fifteenth century the Catholic Church required the baptism of slaves from
> Africa out of fear that other faith believes and practices would be brought
> with the slaves. The church regarded a baptized person Christian and once
> baptized that person was subject to the Church’s teaching.
>
> A slave was required to attend Mass etc. George Medeiros
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
> On Mar 28, 2019, at 5:53 AM, George Medeiros 
> wrote:
>
> The baptism of a slave may have been done because the Catholic Church
> required it to be done. George Medeiros
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
> On Mar 27, 2019, at 6:46 AM, leonor.bert...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Thank you. While I was aware of slavery in Portugal, I am mostly curious
> as what prompts a slave's baptism. Was it their choice, were they forced to
> be baptized? Anybody know?
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, 26 March 2019 23:57:36 UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Debbie,
>
>
>
> It's not that unusual. John Raposo knows a lot about the history and may
> be able to shed some light on it.
>
>
>
> Some sources say the Portuguese started the slave trade, some say the
> Dutch. Regardless, the Portuguese were involved in it.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 8:54 PM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca <
> jessdeb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> So unusual.  Is this basically unheard of or is there some history on
> slavery in Portugal.  I understand the baptism being offered to a slave.
> I just don’t understand if slave means slavery as we know it.  Can anyone
> explain?
>
> Debbie
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 4:19 PM Richard Francis Pimentel <
> richard.fran...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> *Yes, it does say slave of. This baptism is not of an infant but an adult.*
>
>
>
> *Rick*
>
> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>
> *Epping, NH*
>
>
>
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> Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* azo...@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of *
> leonor@gmail.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 26, 2019 4:04 PM
> *To:* Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Marianna - Baptism?
>
>
>
> This is not my ancestor but I'm curious as to what it means. I see this as
> a baptism for Marianna (bottom of the page), instead of daughter of, I
> think I see "escrava de", "slave of" is that correct? And does this say
> that the priest had to get special permission to perform this baptism? Any
> idea if this would have been a baby or an adult?
>
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1815-1823/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1815-1823_item1/P99.html
>
>
>
> TIA
>
> Leonor
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with godfather's name

[Leonor Bertoni]

No problem!

On Thu, 28 Mar 2019 at 01:39, Rosemarie Capodicci  wrote:

> Sorry, read the wrong line!
>
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 10:32 PM Leonor Bertoni 
> wrote:
>
>> Rosemarie, that is the grandfather's name.
>>
>> On Thu, 28 Mar 2019 at 00:57, Rosemarie Capodicci 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I think is Sebastiao da Costa.
>>>
>>>
>>> Rosemarie
>>> rcap...@gmail.com
>>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 7:26 PM  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I need help with Sebastião's godfather. I can see that his first name
>>>> was also Sebastião but the rest is just a bunch of squiggles.This is my
>>>> 2nd great grandfather and I would like to have his godfather's complete
>>>> name if possible.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1823-1829/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1823-1829_item1/P57.html
>>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with godfather's name

[Leonor Bertoni]

Rosemarie, that is the grandfather's name.

On Thu, 28 Mar 2019 at 00:57, Rosemarie Capodicci  wrote:

> I think is Sebastiao da Costa.
>
>
> Rosemarie
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> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
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>
> On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 7:26 PM  wrote:
>
>> I need help with Sebastião's godfather. I can see that his first name was
>> also Sebastião but the rest is just a bunch of squiggles.This is my 2nd
>> great grandfather and I would like to have his godfather's complete name if
>> possible.
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1823-1829/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1823-1829_item1/P57.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with godfather's name

[Leonor Bertoni]

Thanks everyone, Mr. Squiggles will now be known as Sebastiao Lixandre
until proven otherwise.

On Thu, 28 Mar 2019 at 01:09,  wrote:

> After reviewing Cheri's post, I made a slight change to my suggestion (in
> red)
>
> On Wednesday, March 27, 2019 at 8:17:34 PM UTC-7, bsei...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> I have never seen the name Lixandre before this record, but now I think
>> I've seen it twice.
>>
>> It looks to me like Sebastião Lixandre, filho familias de Sebastião
>> Lixandre and D. Lianor Clara
>>
>> I am nowhere near certainty--this record is tough.
>>
>> Bill Seidler
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 27, 2019 at 8:06:19 PM UTC-7, Leonor Bertoni wrote:
>>>
>>> I like Squiggles but could it be Sebastião Lixandre filho de Francisco
>>> Lopes?
>>>
>>> On Wed, 27 Mar 2019 at 23:02, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sebastiao Squiggles. Yep, looks like the guy had another sip of vinho
>>>> with each line! (This is the reason I tell my math students not to squish
>>>> their work...they will mess it up)!
>>>>
>>>> If I had to take a guess, Sebastiao Alexandre something something Lopes
>>>>  I can see Lianor Clara. I'm really don't think Sebastiao's 2nd name is
>>>> Alexandre, but I can see the "xandre" or "xondre" which makes me think
>>>> Alexandre, but I don't think it's right.
>>>>
>>>> More people need to take a look.
>>>> Cheri Mello
>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 7:26 PM  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I need help with Sebastião's godfather. I can see that his first name
>>>>> was also Sebastião but the rest is just a bunch of squiggles.This is 
>>>>> my
>>>>> 2nd great grandfather and I would like to have his godfather's complete
>>>>> name if possible.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1823-1829/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1823-1829_item1/P57.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with godfather's name

[Leonor Bertoni]

I would say Alexandre but the first letter looks exactly like the first
letter of Lianor.

Leonor

On Wed, 27 Mar 2019 at 23:21, 'Altino Demelo' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> I think it is Sebastião Alexandre
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 27, 2019, at 11:17 PM, bsei2...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I have never seen the name Lixandre before this record, but now I think
> I've seen it twice.
>
> It looks to me like Sebastião Lixandre, filho familias de Sebastião
> Lixandre and Maria Lianor.
>
> I am nowhere near certainty--this record is tough.
>
> Bill Seidler
>
> On Wednesday, March 27, 2019 at 8:06:19 PM UTC-7, Leonor Bertoni wrote:
>>
>> I like Squiggles but could it be Sebastião Lixandre filho de Francisco
>> Lopes?
>>
>> On Wed, 27 Mar 2019 at 23:02, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> Sebastiao Squiggles. Yep, looks like the guy had another sip of vinho
>>> with each line! (This is the reason I tell my math students not to squish
>>> their work...they will mess it up)!
>>>
>>> If I had to take a guess, Sebastiao Alexandre something something Lopes
>>>  I can see Lianor Clara. I'm really don't think Sebastiao's 2nd name is
>>> Alexandre, but I can see the "xandre" or "xondre" which makes me think
>>> Alexandre, but I don't think it's right.
>>>
>>> More people need to take a look.
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 7:26 PM  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I need help with Sebastião's godfather. I can see that his first name
>>>> was also Sebastião but the rest is just a bunch of squiggles.This is my
>>>> 2nd great grandfather and I would like to have his godfather's complete
>>>> name if possible.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1823-1829/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1823-1829_item1/P57.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with godfather's name

[Leonor Bertoni]

I was reading "familial de" as Francisco Lopes, lol.I think it's
bedtime. I have a cousin whose name is Lisandro which could be the modern
spelling. I did a google search, Lixandre is in Mozambique.

On Wed, 27 Mar 2019 at 23:17,  wrote:

> I have never seen the name Lixandre before this record, but now I think
> I've seen it twice.
>
> It looks to me like Sebastião Lixandre, filho familias de Sebastião
> Lixandre and Maria Lianor.
>
> I am nowhere near certainty--this record is tough.
>
> Bill Seidler
>
> On Wednesday, March 27, 2019 at 8:06:19 PM UTC-7, Leonor Bertoni wrote:
>>
>> I like Squiggles but could it be Sebastião Lixandre filho de Francisco
>> Lopes?
>>
>> On Wed, 27 Mar 2019 at 23:02, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> Sebastiao Squiggles. Yep, looks like the guy had another sip of vinho
>>> with each line! (This is the reason I tell my math students not to squish
>>> their work...they will mess it up)!
>>>
>>> If I had to take a guess, Sebastiao Alexandre something something Lopes
>>>  I can see Lianor Clara. I'm really don't think Sebastiao's 2nd name is
>>> Alexandre, but I can see the "xandre" or "xondre" which makes me think
>>> Alexandre, but I don't think it's right.
>>>
>>> More people need to take a look.
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 7:26 PM  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I need help with Sebastião's godfather. I can see that his first name
>>>> was also Sebastião but the rest is just a bunch of squiggles.This is my
>>>> 2nd great grandfather and I would like to have his godfather's complete
>>>> name if possible.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1823-1829/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1823-1829_item1/P57.html
>>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with godfather's name

[Leonor Bertoni]

I like Squiggles but could it be Sebastião Lixandre filho de Francisco
Lopes?

On Wed, 27 Mar 2019 at 23:02, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Sebastiao Squiggles. Yep, looks like the guy had another sip of vinho with
> each line! (This is the reason I tell my math students not to squish their
> work...they will mess it up)!
>
> If I had to take a guess, Sebastiao Alexandre something something Lopes
>  I can see Lianor Clara. I'm really don't think Sebastiao's 2nd name is
> Alexandre, but I can see the "xandre" or "xondre" which makes me think
> Alexandre, but I don't think it's right.
>
> More people need to take a look.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 7:26 PM  wrote:
>
>> I need help with Sebastião's godfather. I can see that his first name was
>> also Sebastião but the rest is just a bunch of squiggles.This is my 2nd
>> great grandfather and I would like to have his godfather's complete name if
>> possible.
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1823-1829/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1823-1829_item1/P57.html
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with godfather's name

[leonor . bertoni]

I need help with Sebastião's godfather. I can see that his first name was 
also Sebastião but the rest is just a bunch of squiggles.This is my 2nd 
great grandfather and I would like to have his godfather's complete name if 
possible.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1823-1829/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1823-1829_item1/P57.html

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with baby's name

[Leonor Bertoni]

Thank you everyone!

On Wed, 27 Mar 2019 at 22:09, Richard Francis Pimentel <
richard.francis.pimen...@gmail.com> wrote:

> *Goncalo has it right Teresa and the month is March (marco)*
>
>
>
> *Rick*
>
> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>
> *Epping, NH*
>
>
>
> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and
> Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of *Luis
> Arruda
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 27, 2019 6:45 PM
> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with baby's name
>
>
>
> I see Thereza...as for the month..sorry...cant make it out
>
> Luis
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 5:02 PM  wrote:
>
> Can someone make out this baby's name? I see parents Jacinto da Costa &
> Rosa de Jesus, pats - Joao da Costa & Ritta da Conceicao, mats - Francisco
> Tavares & Margarida de Jesus. Birth month March? Or May?
>
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1815-1823/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1815-1823_item1/P293.html
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with baby's name

[leonor . bertoni]

Can someone make out this baby's name? I see parents Jacinto da Costa & 
Rosa de Jesus, pats - Joao da Costa & Ritta da Conceicao, mats - Francisco 
Tavares & Margarida de Jesus. Birth month March? Or May?

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1815-1823/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1815-1823_item1/P293.html

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Marianna - Baptism?

[leonor . bertoni]

Thank you. While I was aware of slavery in Portugal, I am mostly curious as 
what prompts a slave's baptism. Was it their choice, were they forced to be 
baptized? Anybody know?


On Tuesday, 26 March 2019 23:57:36 UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Debbie,
>
> It's not that unusual. John Raposo knows a lot about the history and may 
> be able to shed some light on it. 
>
> Some sources say the Portuguese started the slave trade, some say the 
> Dutch. Regardless, the Portuguese were involved in it.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 8:54 PM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca <
> jessdeb...@gmail.com > wrote:
>
>> So unusual.  Is this basically unheard of or is there some history on 
>> slavery in Portugal.  I understand the baptism being offered to a slave.   
>> I just don’t understand if slave means slavery as we know it.  Can anyone 
>> explain?
>> Debbie
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 4:19 PM Richard Francis Pimentel <
>> richard.fran...@gmail.com > wrote:
>>
>>> *Yes,** it does say slave of. This baptism is not of an infant but an 
>>> adult.*
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *Rick*
>>>
>>> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>>>
>>> *Epping, NH*
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and 
>>> Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*
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>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 26, 2019 4:04 PM
>>> *To:* Azores Genealogy >
>>> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Marianna - Baptism?
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> This is not my ancestor but I'm curious as to what it means. I see this 
>>> as a baptism for Marianna (bottom of the page), instead of daughter of, I 
>>> think I see "escrava de", "slave of" is that correct? And does this say 
>>> that the priest had to get special permission to perform this baptism? Any 
>>> idea if this would have been a baby or an adult?
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1815-1823/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1815-1823_item1/P99.html
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> TIA
>>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Marianna - Baptism?

[leonor . bertoni]

This is not my ancestor but I'm curious as to what it means. I see this as 
a baptism for Marianna (bottom of the page), instead of daughter of, I 
think I see "escrava de", "slave of" is that correct? And does this say 
that the priest had to get special permission to perform this baptism? Any 
idea if this would have been a baby or an adult?

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1815-1823/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1815-1823_item1/P99.html

TIA
Leonor

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Maternal Grandparents

[leonor . bertoni]

Hello everyone,
Can someone please help with the maternal grandparents' name? I see (?) 
Machado and Antonia de Jesus.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1815-1823/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1815-1823_item1/P65.html


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Official Alfaiate (Official Tailor)?

[Leonor Bertoni]

I can't speak on your record but my mother was a seamstress and at 17 she
was the seamstress the soldiers took their pants to me hemmed and pressed.
I'm not sure she had the official title but that is what she was known for
and it was her job. This was in the mid 1930's though. This is also how she
met me dad :)



On Fri, 22 Mar 2019 at 13:53, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
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> When the father is stated in a birth record as the Official Alfaiate, what
> does it really mean.  I know the translation but; who is he the Official
> Tailor to?  The village, a specific person or what?
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sidenote, Sao Pedro, Santa Maria

[leonor . bertoni]

Hi Sam,
It says Maria do Espirito Santo. The rest of what you have, I believe is 
correct.



On Thursday, 21 March 2019 21:49:43 UTC-4, Sam Koester wrote:
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>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1880-1889/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1880-1889_item1/P166.html
>
>  
>
> Bottom right.  This is what I see on the side note:  Maria da ??  married 
> Manoel de Moura.  He’s from Nossa Senhora d’Assumpcao, Sao Pedro.
>
> They married on 27 March 1911.  Maria died on 16 February  1960.
>
>  
>
> If someone with better knowledge and eye sight could take a look, it would 
> be much appreciated.
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with Jacinta maternal grandmother's name

[leonor . bertoni]

David, these folks are my 4th great grandparents. I guess we're cousins!



On Thursday, 21 March 2019 20:28:49 UTC-4, David Perry wrote:
>
> These folks, Andre and Anna are my grandparents.  Their son, Jose is 
> my ancestor.  Next in line, another Jose followed by yet another Jose and 
> finally, my grandmother Francesca.
> David
>
> On Thursday, March 21, 2019 at 4:55:45 PM UTC-7, leonor@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all! Thanks to Cheri, I think I am back on the right track. Can 
>> someone else me with the maternal grandmother's last name, I see Felicia 
>> ().
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1789-1797/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1789-1797_item1/P324.html
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with Jacinta maternal grandmother's name

[leonor . bertoni]

Thank you!


On Thursday, 21 March 2019 20:01:44 UTC-4, JR wrote:
>
> Felicia Pavoa, modern Pavao with accent over ao.
>
> JR
>
> On Thursday, March 21, 2019 at 7:55:45 PM UTC-4, leonor@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all! Thanks to Cheri, I think I am back on the right track. Can 
>> someone else me with the maternal grandmother's last name, I see Felicia 
>> ().
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1789-1797/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1789-1797_item1/P324.html
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Jacinta maternal grandmother's name

[leonor . bertoni]

Hi all! Thanks to Cheri, I think I am back on the right track. Can someone 
else me with the maternal grandmother's last name, I see Felicia ().

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Paternal Grandfather's name

[Leonor Bertoni]

Thanks Cheri.
Yes, Monica de Jesus is the exposta. On some records, her name is listed as
Maria do Rosario. When I uploaded my tree, the media didn't go, nor did
everyone's place of birth so there isn't too much detail. Is there an easy
way to correct this? For my father's line, a couple of cousins and I are
planning on going to Portugal next year, I will see if I can get his record
then. I had a box of paperwork that was destroyed in a flood, my Portuguese
ID (bilhete de identidade) card was in there as well as my cartão de
contribuinte.

On Thu, 21 Mar 2019 at 14:46, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Hi Leonor,
>
> I'm going to respond on a thread that you started and not Mario's.
>
> On your paternal side, from the mainlandYou are in a gap between the
> records and what is online, I believe. You are going to have to pay to get
> your dad's birth, as the 1920s births would list the grandparents. And from
> there you could go back in time. If you still have your Portuguese identity
> card, you can order the record yourself. I think it's here (looks like the
> redesigned the web site): https://eportugal.gov.pt/  If you no longer
> have your card, see if Joao Ventura, the archivist who lives on Terceira
> can get it for you: heroi99 at yahoo.com
>
> On the ancestress who has no father (or no parents)...I can see your tree
> on FTDNA. I'm not sure who you are referring to, as I'd need a name. I can
> see Monica de Jesus with no parents listed. I don't know if that means you
> are going to come back around to work her line or she's an exposta. If she
> is the exposta, put "Pai Incognito" for her dad and Mae Incognita for her
> mom. That's what us researchers do for our expostos or pai incognito lines.
> Then there's no assumption on anyone's part. :)
>
> Cheri
>
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>
> On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 9:36 AM Leonor Bertoni 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Margaret. It could be but I have another record that is clearer, I
>> will have to find it.
>>
>> Leonor
>>
>> On Thu, 21 Mar 2019 at 12:10, Margaret Vicente 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Leonor,
>>>
>>> I'me reading it as "Jose Joaquim Tronelho"
>>>
>>> Margaret
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 4:06 PM  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Can someone make out the paternal grandfather's last name? I see João
>>>> Joaquim ???
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1897-1899/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1897-1899_item1/P130.html
>>>>
>>>> TIA
>>>>
>>>> Leonor
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Paternal Grandfather's name

[Leonor Bertoni]

Thanks Margaret. It could be but I have another record that is clearer, I
will have to find it.

Leonor

On Thu, 21 Mar 2019 at 12:10, Margaret Vicente 
wrote:

> Leonor,
>
> I'me reading it as "Jose Joaquim Tronelho"
>
> Margaret
>
> On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 4:06 PM  wrote:
>
>> Can someone make out the paternal grandfather's last name? I see João
>> Joaquim ???
>>
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1897-1899/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1897-1899_item1/P130.html
>>
>> TIA
>>
>> Leonor
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with Paternal Grandfather's name

[leonor . bertoni]

Cheri,
Is there something I need to buy at FamilytreeDNA? I had uploaded my DNA 
some time ago and just uploaded a clean version of my tree (just ancestors 
and descendants).


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> Leonor,
>
> There's only 1 Leonor in the Azores DNA project on Familly Tree DNA and 
> it's not you. I know who that other Leonor is. You need to join the Azores 
> DNA Project on FTDNA so I can help you and explain to you want you need to 
> do next, who to contact, etc.  Cheri
> Cheri Mello
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> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 8:57 PM JR > wrote:
>
>> Ok, I think I understand. You want to try and make links using DNA 
>> matches because you don't know one part of your tree. Do your known 
>> ancestors include anyone from Vila Franca? If you post them I may be able 
>> to help with that.
>>
>> JR
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 20, 2019 at 11:17:40 PM UTC-4, Leonor Bertoni wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi, right now, I’m just pulling baptismal records of all my ancestors. 
>>> This is while I’m reading some books on ancestry and trying to figure out 
>>> where to go from here. For example, my maternal grandparents and my great 
>>> grandparents never left the island. Once I have their baptismal, marriage 
>>> and death records (and those of their decendants), what do I do? Am I done 
>>> with them? Is there something else I can search? It seems like so little. 
>>> My grandfather died at sea. I know nothing about life as a fishermanmy 
>>> great grandmother was a foundling so I’m pretty much done my tree on her 
>>> side. My father’s side I know absolutely nothing about. What I’ve been 
>>> trying to do is connect with my DNA matches, and that seems to take me 
>>> everywhere! I may be doing this all wrong but, for now, it’s the only way I 
>>> know how, lol.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 11:05 PM JR  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Leonor, I am confused about who you are researching. Is it that you 
>>>> don't know? You seem to be all over the place when searching.
>>>>
>>>> JR
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, March 19, 2019 at 4:06:36 PM UTC-4, leonor@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Can someone make out the paternal grandfather's last name? I see João 
>>>>> Joaquim ???
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1897-1899/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1897-1899_item1/P130.html
>>>>>
>>>>> TIA
>>>>>
>>>>> Leonor
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with Paternal Grandfather's name

[Leonor Bertoni]

I couldn’t sleep so I just joined.

On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 12:15 AM Leonor Bertoni 
wrote:

> Ok, I will do so tomorrow.
>
> On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 12:14 AM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> Leonor,
>>
>> There's only 1 Leonor in the Azores DNA project on Familly Tree DNA and
>> it's not you. I know who that other Leonor is. You need to join the Azores
>> DNA Project on FTDNA so I can help you and explain to you want you need to
>> do next, who to contact, etc.  Cheri
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 8:57 PM JR  wrote:
>>
>>> Ok, I think I understand. You want to try and make links using DNA
>>> matches because you don't know one part of your tree. Do your known
>>> ancestors include anyone from Vila Franca? If you post them I may be able
>>> to help with that.
>>>
>>> JR
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 20, 2019 at 11:17:40 PM UTC-4, Leonor Bertoni wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi, right now, I’m just pulling baptismal records of all my ancestors.
>>>> This is while I’m reading some books on ancestry and trying to figure out
>>>> where to go from here. For example, my maternal grandparents and my great
>>>> grandparents never left the island. Once I have their baptismal, marriage
>>>> and death records (and those of their decendants), what do I do? Am I done
>>>> with them? Is there something else I can search? It seems like so little.
>>>> My grandfather died at sea. I know nothing about life as a fishermanmy
>>>> great grandmother was a foundling so I’m pretty much done my tree on her
>>>> side. My father’s side I know absolutely nothing about. What I’ve been
>>>> trying to do is connect with my DNA matches, and that seems to take me
>>>> everywhere! I may be doing this all wrong but, for now, it’s the only way I
>>>> know how, lol.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 11:05 PM JR  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Leonor, I am confused about who you are researching. Is it that you
>>>>> don't know? You seem to be all over the place when searching.
>>>>>
>>>>> JR
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, March 19, 2019 at 4:06:36 PM UTC-4, leonor@gmail.com
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can someone make out the paternal grandfather's last name? I see João
>>>>>> Joaquim ???
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1897-1899/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1897-1899_item1/P130.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TIA
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Leonor
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with Paternal Grandfather's name

[Leonor Bertoni]

Ok, I will do so tomorrow.

On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 12:14 AM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Leonor,
>
> There's only 1 Leonor in the Azores DNA project on Familly Tree DNA and
> it's not you. I know who that other Leonor is. You need to join the Azores
> DNA Project on FTDNA so I can help you and explain to you want you need to
> do next, who to contact, etc.  Cheri
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 8:57 PM JR  wrote:
>
>> Ok, I think I understand. You want to try and make links using DNA
>> matches because you don't know one part of your tree. Do your known
>> ancestors include anyone from Vila Franca? If you post them I may be able
>> to help with that.
>>
>> JR
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 20, 2019 at 11:17:40 PM UTC-4, Leonor Bertoni wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi, right now, I’m just pulling baptismal records of all my ancestors.
>>> This is while I’m reading some books on ancestry and trying to figure out
>>> where to go from here. For example, my maternal grandparents and my great
>>> grandparents never left the island. Once I have their baptismal, marriage
>>> and death records (and those of their decendants), what do I do? Am I done
>>> with them? Is there something else I can search? It seems like so little.
>>> My grandfather died at sea. I know nothing about life as a fishermanmy
>>> great grandmother was a foundling so I’m pretty much done my tree on her
>>> side. My father’s side I know absolutely nothing about. What I’ve been
>>> trying to do is connect with my DNA matches, and that seems to take me
>>> everywhere! I may be doing this all wrong but, for now, it’s the only way I
>>> know how, lol.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 11:05 PM JR  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Leonor, I am confused about who you are researching. Is it that you
>>>> don't know? You seem to be all over the place when searching.
>>>>
>>>> JR
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, March 19, 2019 at 4:06:36 PM UTC-4, leonor@gmail.com
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Can someone make out the paternal grandfather's last name? I see João
>>>>> Joaquim ???
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1897-1899/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1897-1899_item1/P130.html
>>>>>
>>>>> TIA
>>>>>
>>>>> Leonor
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with Paternal Grandfather's name

[Leonor Bertoni]

I don’t know my father’s side at all, just my father’s and his mother’s
first names, no last name. When my father had kids, he claime he knew his
father’s last nam but I don’t think he did, he just gave us a last name. As
far as I can tell, everyone is from Rosario or Santa Cruz. I’m lucky that
way as I can trace a lot of my ancestors. Another funny thing about my
family is that there are huge age differences between kids and some are
born out of wedlock so I can’t base a search on when the parents get
married. There is 26 years between my oldest brother and I. There is 18
years between my mother and youngest sibling, this repeats with other
ancestors.

On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 11:57 PM JR  wrote:

> Ok, I think I understand. You want to try and make links using DNA matches
> because you don't know one part of your tree. Do your known ancestors
> include anyone from Vila Franca? If you post them I may be able to help
> with that.
>
> JR
>
> On Wednesday, March 20, 2019 at 11:17:40 PM UTC-4, Leonor Bertoni wrote:
>>
>> Hi, right now, I’m just pulling baptismal records of all my ancestors.
>> This is while I’m reading some books on ancestry and trying to figure out
>> where to go from here. For example, my maternal grandparents and my great
>> grandparents never left the island. Once I have their baptismal, marriage
>> and death records (and those of their decendants), what do I do? Am I done
>> with them? Is there something else I can search? It seems like so little.
>> My grandfather died at sea. I know nothing about life as a fishermanmy
>> great grandmother was a foundling so I’m pretty much done my tree on her
>> side. My father’s side I know absolutely nothing about. What I’ve been
>> trying to do is connect with my DNA matches, and that seems to take me
>> everywhere! I may be doing this all wrong but, for now, it’s the only way I
>> know how, lol.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 11:05 PM JR  wrote:
>>
>>> Leonor, I am confused about who you are researching. Is it that you
>>> don't know? You seem to be all over the place when searching.
>>>
>>> JR
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 19, 2019 at 4:06:36 PM UTC-4, leonor@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Can someone make out the paternal grandfather's last name? I see João
>>>> Joaquim ???
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1897-1899/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1897-1899_item1/P130.html
>>>>
>>>> TIA
>>>>
>>>> Leonor
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with Paternal Grandfather's name

[Leonor Bertoni]

Hi, right now, I’m just pulling baptismal records of all my ancestors. This
is while I’m reading some books on ancestry and trying to figure out where
to go from here. For example, my maternal grandparents and my great
grandparents never left the island. Once I have their baptismal, marriage
and death records (and those of their decendants), what do I do? Am I done
with them? Is there something else I can search? It seems like so little.
My grandfather died at sea. I know nothing about life as a fishermanmy
great grandmother was a foundling so I’m pretty much done my tree on her
side. My father’s side I know absolutely nothing about. What I’ve been
trying to do is connect with my DNA matches, and that seems to take me
everywhere! I may be doing this all wrong but, for now, it’s the only way I
know how, lol.

On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 11:05 PM JR  wrote:

> Leonor, I am confused about who you are researching. Is it that you don't
> know? You seem to be all over the place when searching.
>
> JR
>
> On Tuesday, March 19, 2019 at 4:06:36 PM UTC-4, leonor@gmail.com
> wrote:
>>
>> Can someone make out the paternal grandfather's last name? I see João
>> Joaquim ???
>>
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1897-1899/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1897-1899_item1/P130.html
>>
>> TIA
>>
>> Leonor
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Birth date help

[Leonor Bertoni]

Yes, he mentioned the month and year on the first line, when he said when
the baptism took place, instead of writing it again, he said on the 10th of
the previously mentioned month and year. The birth was in the same month
and year as the baptism, just on a different day.

On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 3:22 PM Liz Migliori  wrote:

> Ok so I guess I need to know what date was previously mentioned.
> Does that mean the baptism date?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 20, 2019, at 11:24 AM, Leonor Bertoni 
> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> Predito = previously mentioned.
> So the baby was born on the 10th of June 1877.
>
> On Wed, 20 Mar 2019 at 14:19, Elizabeth Migliori 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Cheri
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-CAPELAS-B-1870-1879/SMG-PD-CAPELAS-B-1870-1879_item1/P271.html
>>
>> Thereza on right  10 lines down  "predito"???
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 9:41 AM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> Liz,
>>>
>>> Since it's taken out of context, it doesn't make sense. Post the record
>>> so people can take a look.
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 2:46 PM Elizabeth Migliori 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> What does it mean when it says that they were born on the predicted day?
>>>> Does that mean they were born and baptized on the same day?
>>>>
>>>> Thx
>>>> Liz
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Birth date help

[Leonor Bertoni]

Yes, this is correct.



On Wed, 20 Mar 2019 at 14:19, Elizabeth Migliori  wrote:

>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-CAPELAS-B-1900-1911/SMG-PD-CAPELAS-B-1900-1911_item1/P187.html
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-CAPELAS-B-1900-1911/SMG-PD-CAPELAS-B-1900-1911_item1/P188.html
>
>
> Am I reading this correctly?   Olivia on right of P187  saying she was
> Baptized March 15, 1903
> and on top left P188 says born Dec 16, 1902 ?
>
> Liz
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Birth date help

[Leonor Bertoni]

Hi,
Predito = previously mentioned.
So the baby was born on the 10th of June 1877.

On Wed, 20 Mar 2019 at 14:19, Elizabeth Migliori  wrote:

> Hi Cheri
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-CAPELAS-B-1870-1879/SMG-PD-CAPELAS-B-1870-1879_item1/P271.html
>
> Thereza on right  10 lines down  "predito"???
>
> On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 9:41 AM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> Liz,
>>
>> Since it's taken out of context, it doesn't make sense. Post the record
>> so people can take a look.
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 2:46 PM Elizabeth Migliori 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> What does it mean when it says that they were born on the predicted day?
>>> Does that mean they were born and baptized on the same day?
>>>
>>> Thx
>>> Liz
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Paternal Grandfather's name

[Leonor Bertoni]

Thanks Bill. I think the name is Troncho. I am familiar with that last name
but have not heard it in a long time.

Leonor

On Wed, 20 Mar 2019 at 04:27,  wrote:

> I cannot make that out to be any name I am familiar with.  I did find the
> parents marriage and the name looks the same but I still don't recognize
> any name I know.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1880-1889/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1880-1889_item1/P436.html
> (starts on bottom; the name is on the next page)
>
>
> The marriage says she was born in Matriz de São Miguel, Vila Franca.  I
> believe I found her baptism, but her father is just José Jancinto with no
> other name (it does say oleiro but I believe that is his profession—a
> potter).  His wife’s name is the same as the maternal grandmother on your
> record, “Albina da Conceição so I think this is a match to the marriage.  It
> gives no other last name for his father either.  He is just Manuel
> Jacinto.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1865-1869/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1865-1869_item1/P294.html
> (starts bottom right)
>
>
>
> Hope this helps
>
> Bill Seidler
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 19, 2019 at 3:45:34 PM UTC-7, Leonor Bertoni wrote:
>>
>> Yes, sorry. I did mean maternal and yes, it is JoséI’ve been doing
>> this too long, time for a break!
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 6:38 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
>> azo...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Wow, that’s a tough one but; don’t you mean the maternal grandfather?  I
>>> see Jose not Joao but; can’t make out that last name.  Hope someone else
>>> will chime in…
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *leonor@gmail.com
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>>> *To: *Azores Genealogy
>>> *Subject: *[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Paternal Grandfather's name
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Can someone make out the paternal grandfather's last name? I see João
>>> Joaquim ???
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1897-1899/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1897-1899_item1/P130.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> TIA
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with sidenote again - Please

[Leonor Bertoni]

Thanks Bill, I think you might be right.

Leonor

On Wed, 20 Mar 2019 at 01:38,  wrote:

> I think it is Margarida Natalia Branco, age 19, natural of Livramento,
> Ponta Delgada, daughter of Antonio Branco Custodio and Francisca de Jesus.
>
> Not 100% sure but it's my best guess.
>
> Bill Seidler
>
> On Tuesday, March 19, 2019 at 4:19:52 PM UTC-7, Sam Koester wrote:
>
>> Sorry, I can’t either.  Sort of looks like “foram” but; then it looks
>> like co on the next page and that doesn’t mean anything either as two words
>> or one.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Leonor Bertoni
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 19, 2019 4:08 PM
>> *To: *azo...@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with sidenote again - Please
>>
>>
>>
>> There’s a name after Natalia Thai can’t make out.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 6:59 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
>> azo...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> On the side note, yes, I also see that he married Margarida Natalia.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *leonor@gmail.com
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 19, 2019 2:04 PM
>> *To: *Azores Genealogy
>> *Subject: *[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with sidenote again - Please
>>
>>
>>
>> Can someone make out the bride's name? I get Margarida Natalia 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1897-1899/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1897-1899_item1/P134.html
>>
>>
>>
>> TIA
>>
>> Leonor
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)

[Leonor Bertoni]

Sam, what I have been finding a lot of is sons taking on their father's
first name as their last name. For example Nicolau do Rego's son will be
João do Rego Nicolau.

On Tue, 19 Mar 2019 at 21:58, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
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> Thanks Rick.  I get it now.  All these same names are driving me nutso.
> Add to that the marrying of cousins and it sure does get crazy!
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
>
> *From: *Richard Francis Pimentel 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 19, 2019 5:32 PM
> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)
>
>
>
> *Not exactly.  If the Bride was Maria and the MIL was Francisca Rosa. The
> bride might take the name Maria Rosa or Maria Francisca. I cannot recall if
> I have seen the bride change her baptismal name.  *
>
> *Rick*
>
>
>
> *From:* 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 19, 2019 6:32 PM
> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)
>
>
>
> Rick; Do you mean that a bride of one name say, Ana Francisca would marry
> and change her name to her mother-in-laws say Jacintha Maria?  Talk about
> making our job of tracing our ancestors harder!  Not to mention, talk about
> a “kiss up”! LOL!
>
>
>
> Mary, Yes, it sure does make it harder to know what is what.  I’m trying
> to fill in the different branches of my tree and didn’t really count on
> tracking down all the marriages and obits, etc.  Was hoping to do it just
> through births/baptisms.  Oh well, I never really expected to finish my
> tree!
>
>
>
> Thanks guys,
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
>
> *From: *Richard Francis Pimentel 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 19, 2019 12:04 PM
> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)
>
>
>
> *Sam, Yes I have noticed that. I kind of think the bride sometimes took
> her mother in law’s name as a means to be accepted into the family better. *
>
>
>
> *Rick*
>
> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>
> *Epping, NH*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 19, 2019 12:46 PM
> *To:* genealogy 
> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)
>
>
>
> Hello all;  Has anyone else noticed how very, very often the names of the
> bride and or of the mother’s in law are exactly the same?  i.e. Bernardina
> Jacintha, Anna Filomena, etc.  Record after record, though not all of them
> of course, have the bride and her mother with exactly the same name and
> sometimes all three women in the record have the same name.  It just makes
> me worry that the priest has been “tippling” the vino…I know certain
> names were very common but; it seems to be more than that….
>
>
>
> Just wondering…
>
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] das dores

[Leonor Bertoni]

Maria das Dores was a very common name..but, that was my mother’s
nickname as she was always complaining of pain somewhere! Thanks for the
memories.

On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 7:34 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
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> Here’s a new one.  The baby’s name is Maria das dores, Maria of pain?
> Really!
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> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1880-1889/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1880-1889_item1/P108.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with sidenote again - Please

[Leonor Bertoni]

Yes, and I can’t make it out on the father’s name either.

On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 7:19 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
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> Sorry, I can’t either.  Sort of looks like “foram” but; then it looks like
> co on the next page and that doesn’t mean anything either as two words or
> one.
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> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
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> *From: *Leonor Bertoni 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 19, 2019 4:08 PM
> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
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> There’s a name after Natalia Thai can’t make out.
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> On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 6:59 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
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> On the side note, yes, I also see that he married Margarida Natalia.
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> Can someone make out the bride's name? I get Margarida Natalia 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with sidenote again - Please

[Leonor Bertoni]

There’s a name after Natalia Thai can’t make out.

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> On the side note, yes, I also see that he married Margarida Natalia.
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> Can someone make out the bride's name? I get Margarida Natalia 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Paternal Grandfather's name

[Leonor Bertoni]

Yes, sorry. I did mean maternal and yes, it is JoséI’ve been doing this
too long, time for a break!

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> Wow, that’s a tough one but; don’t you mean the maternal grandfather?  I
> see Jose not Joao but; can’t make out that last name.  Hope someone else
> will chime in…
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> Can someone make out the paternal grandfather's last name? I see João
> Joaquim ???
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with Joao Bernardo - Are these the same parents?

[Leonor Bertoni]

I’m not sure. The mother’s as well as the father’s names are the same. If
they were all Maria’s it would be one thing but the name is Jacintha, not
as common.

On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 5:35 PM Marcos Saturno  wrote:

> Hi Leonor,
> Could the men with the same name be first cousins?
> I am also of Italian origin and apart from the names Saverio Saturno and
> Andrea Saturno repeating 7 or eight generations (older son gets paternal
> grandfather’s name), sometimes if a man had 3 or 4 sons they could all name
> their first born son after their father resulting with 3 or 4 boys with the
> same or very similar name (In Italy it’d be the same as maternal surnames
> are not passed down as in Portugal).
> I also have a branch in which no less than 5 boys, all first cousins, were
> named Giovanni like grandpa, but since only one of the 5 siblings  of the
> previous generation were male, only 1 Giovanni had  exactly the same name
> as their grandfather.
> I personally know of other 3 Italian first cousins with exactly the same
> name and similar age. They are about 85 years old now.
> Hope this helps
> Happy hunting,
> Marcos
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> On 19 Mar 2019, at 13:47, leonor.bert...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Thanks Cheri.
>
> I actually started to go record by record a while back. I started because
> I noticed that some of my ancestors were taking on their father's first
> name as their last (Nicolau do Rego's sons became Joao do Rego Nicolau,
> etc.). For now, what I am doing is going through the records and everyone
> that fits in my tree goes in my tree, it doesn't matter if they are the
> brother in law of the sister in law of the husband of my 2x GG (I have lots
> of time). On occasion, those people suddenly become blood related. As you
> may remember, I only started doing this in January, this way makes sense to
> me now but it may cause chaos later on, please let me know if you see any
> issues with doing this way. I have created a database for when I come upon
> a record that I know should fit in my tree but doesn't yet. Looking at the
> database, I have 1 João born to a Jacintho Bernardo and Jacintha Rosa in
> 1869 and 1 João born to Jacintho Bernardo and Jacintha Rosa in 1877. I am
> going to finish extracting birth records for 1897 and will start looking at
> marriage records to see what I can find to make sense of this.
>
> You said "Kid #1 doesn't have maternal grandparents that match the other
> kids." I don't think any of the maternal grandparents match. I have not
> found a Maria #1 yet.
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> On Monday, 18 March 2019 15:38:44 UTC-4, leonor@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Hello everyone,
>> While I know that it is very common for a couple to have multiple
>> daughters with the same name, I have never come across more that one son
>> with the same name, unless one died before the other was born. Below I have
>> 3 couples where the father's name is João Bernardo, they are different
>> couples (different wives). The paternal grandparents look to be the same.
>> The paternal grandmother's name changes but the first name stays
>> consistent, to make matters worse, two of the mothers seem to be sisters.
>> Is having 3 sons with the same name normal? Counting the 3 Joãos, this
>> couple would have had 8 kids, not enough to run out of names!
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1900-1905/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1900-1905_item1/P502.html
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1900-1905/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1900-1905_item1/P425.html
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1897-1899/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1897-1899_item1/P90.html
>>
>> Leonor
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