Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ancestor info- Antonio Brier

[luiznoia]

The Diairo de Noticias was published in New Bedford, so that's the city the
sister lives in.

Eric

On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 4:39 PM luiznoia  wrote:

> Here is a sister for captain Anthony Brier in this 1919 news entry
>
>
> Eric Edgar
>
> On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 7:51 AM "E" Sharp  wrote:
>
>> Corinne,
>>
>> I found an Antonio Brier born in Fayal/Faial Azores 2/27/1872.  Arrived
>> in New Bedford 3/30/1888.  Naturalized in 1900.  So from what I can figure
>> outthis is the Portuguese side of your family tree.  Jon F. Barnes
>> married his daughter Josephine Brier.  Josephine's mother is not
>> Portuguese.  If Antonio came to US in 1888, which would have made him 16
>> which would mean married here...probably in MA? Josephine was born in the
>> United States.  I would look at the Passportes working back from
>> 3/30/1888.  Others on the list can tell you what port he would have left
>> from as I am not sure of this. At my age, I have difficulty reading these
>> Passportes records.  I will keep searching.
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 9:37 PM Margaret Vicente <
>> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> You may have to search through Faial and Sao Jorge islands birth
>>> records.  I did a white pages directory search and found the surname Braia
>>> in Castelo Branco Faial.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> A quick check of the Horta passports turned up a Braia out of the island
>>> of Sao Jorge. Nothing from Faial for those dates.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Margaret
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *Corinne Merritt 
>>> *Sent: *February 4, 2019 10:11 PM
>>> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ancestor info- Antonio Brier
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Josephine married John F Barnes and her maiden name was Brier- it lists
>>> her father as Antonio and her mother as Catherine Boskovich, but the family
>>> name is Voskovich.  I cannot find any records that they were married or
>>> even together on a census. (Antonio and Catherine)   There is an Antionio
>>> (Anthony) Brier (and Bryer) and Catherine O'Brien married in
>>> Massachusetts,   Antonio came to New Bedford Mass per his naturalization
>>> record, if in fact that one is my ancestor.
>>>
>>> Thank you
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 4, 2019 at 11:42:43 AM UTC-6, E. Sharp wrote:
>>>
>>> In the 1930 U. S. census there is a John Viskovich 54 to US 1895,
>>> Josephine 38 to US 1909, both born in Yugoslavia (Croatia) NA Plumber,
>>> children Nicholas, 19, Michael, 18, Theresa, 17, Anna, 15, Antonio 11. All
>>> kids born NY. Living in Messina, St. Lawrence County NY. Also 2 boarders.
>>> I am very aware of this name changing as my family came from Yugoslavia now
>>> Croatia in 1800 to Portugal and depending on where the family is now living
>>> the name is spelled 4 different ways!!!  Living now in Croatia, Italy,
>>> Portugal, Brazil and U. S. Oh. Also Costa Rica. And eventually I found all
>>> of them and visited them in these countries.  Keep searching!!!
>>>
>>> “E”
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Steve Perry

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I'm still looking for my post on it. His father family was from Terceira,
but I don't have the specifics right now.

Eric

On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 8:28 AM Margaret DaRos  wrote:

> Thank youdo you anything about the paternal side of the family...the
> Periera’s?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 15, 2018, at 6:28 PM, luiznoia  wrote:
>
> Steve Perry's (from Journey) grandparents, Manuel Silveira Quaresma &
> Maria da Conceicao are from Prainha. Maria's parents were Manuel Cardoso &
> Maria do Rosario b. Lajes do Pico. Steve's mom, Maria Cardoso Quaresma came
> over at 1 yr of age on the SS Roma from Horta, Faial with her parents,
> Manuel S & Maria Quaresma, July 24, 1923
>
> On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 6:16 PM  wrote:
>
>> Hi Katherine...
>>
>> I realize this email stream was started quite a while ago, but I was
>> wondering if you have any additional information on Steve Perry's family
>> history in the Azores.  Steve's grandfather and my grandfather were
>> brothers.  My grandfather's name was Manual Perry (Peirera) and he married
>> my grandmother, Mary Corcoran in MA.  My grandfather's extended family
>> lived in Lowell, MA.  Because some of the family moved out to the west
>> coast, my grandfather passed away before we knew we were related to Steve.
>> When Steve did the "Raised on Radio" tour with Journeyhe brought all of
>> us from the east coast to his concert at the Worcester Centrum so that we
>> could meet him.  He also brought three older relatives from CA with him so
>> that we could all meet one another.
>>
>> I am hoping to visit the Azores and want to know which island Steve's and
>> my great-grandparents came from.  I know Pico was where the maternal side
>> of his family came frombut not sure about the paternal side.
>>
>> If you have any research on this, I would appreciate hearing from you
>>
>> Thanks...Margaret (Perry) DaRos
>>
>> On Sunday, April 9, 2006 at 7:41:05 AM UTC-4, Katherine wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Pat,
>>>
>>> No, sorry I don't know what island, but maybe I'll find out one of
>>> these days as I'm always nagging cousins to invite Steve to the Borges
>>> reunion. If he has any interest in his Azorean roots, I'd be glad to do
>>> research for him!
>>>
>>> His grandfather, Frank Perry, came out from back east (Massachusettes,
>>> I believe) with his friend, Frank Silva.  Frank Silva married Lena
>>> Borges, and her brother, Manuel, married Helvira Perry. They all
>>> settled in Hanford, Kings Co., CA.
>>>
>>> For anyone on this list that has relatives in or from Hanford, the LDS
>>> FHC in Hanford has quite a few unique resources for Azorean genealogy,
>>> including a large Sao Jorge database.
>>> ~Katherine
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Steve Perry

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Steve Perry's (from Journey) grandparents, Manuel Silveira Quaresma & Maria
da Conceicao are from Prainha. Maria's parents were Manuel Cardoso & Maria
do Rosario b. Lajes do Pico. Steve's mom, Maria Cardoso Quaresma came over
at 1 yr of age on the SS Roma from Horta, Faial with her parents, Manuel S
& Maria Quaresma, July 24, 1923

On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 6:16 PM  wrote:

> Hi Katherine...
>
> I realize this email stream was started quite a while ago, but I was
> wondering if you have any additional information on Steve Perry's family
> history in the Azores.  Steve's grandfather and my grandfather were
> brothers.  My grandfather's name was Manual Perry (Peirera) and he married
> my grandmother, Mary Corcoran in MA.  My grandfather's extended family
> lived in Lowell, MA.  Because some of the family moved out to the west
> coast, my grandfather passed away before we knew we were related to Steve.
> When Steve did the "Raised on Radio" tour with Journeyhe brought all of
> us from the east coast to his concert at the Worcester Centrum so that we
> could meet him.  He also brought three older relatives from CA with him so
> that we could all meet one another.
>
> I am hoping to visit the Azores and want to know which island Steve's and
> my great-grandparents came from.  I know Pico was where the maternal side
> of his family came frombut not sure about the paternal side.
>
> If you have any research on this, I would appreciate hearing from you
>
> Thanks...Margaret (Perry) DaRos
>
> On Sunday, April 9, 2006 at 7:41:05 AM UTC-4, Katherine wrote:
>>
>> Hi Pat,
>>
>> No, sorry I don't know what island, but maybe I'll find out one of
>> these days as I'm always nagging cousins to invite Steve to the Borges
>> reunion. If he has any interest in his Azorean roots, I'd be glad to do
>> research for him!
>>
>> His grandfather, Frank Perry, came out from back east (Massachusettes,
>> I believe) with his friend, Frank Silva.  Frank Silva married Lena
>> Borges, and her brother, Manuel, married Helvira Perry. They all
>> settled in Hanford, Kings Co., CA.
>>
>> For anyone on this list that has relatives in or from Hanford, the LDS
>> FHC in Hanford has quite a few unique resources for Azorean genealogy,
>> including a large Sao Jorge database.
>> ~Katherine
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sears/Soares from Pico to Merced, California married Freitas Caldeira from Flores

[luiznoia]

I have Soares ancestors from Pico that settled in California. I also have
many ties to Merced County through my Flores ancestors and a large Flores
database'

You can contact me directly at noblanktree at G mail dot com

Eric Edgar

On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 6:12 PM John Vasconcelos  wrote:

> Gwen,
> My gggrandfather Jose de Freitas da Caldeira was born 02 Aug 1774,
> Caldeira, Mosteiro, Lajes das Flores, married 29 Aug 1796  at Nossa Sra dos
> Remediios (in Fajazinha) to Ana Pimentel, born 10 Oct 1776, Lajedo, Lajes
> das Flores. They were the parents of my ggrandfather Francisco de Freitas.
> Caldeira is a small settlement (of about 2 or 3 houses) in the next valley
> over the hill from Fajazinha so the residents were parishinors of Nossa Sra
> dos Remedios. (Caldeira literally means crater and was the site of an
> ancient volcanic crater) So Caldeira is a location name and his full name
> could be translated to "Joe Freitas from Craterville"  These  suffixes
> (especially upon immigration) have a tendency of becoming the official
> surname. So we might be cousins!
> I have 3 or 4 more generations back, so if you are interested, email me at
> GfsJohnV at gmail dot com.
> John Vasconcelos
>
> On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 9:14 AM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> Repost for Gwen, 123caldeira at gmail.com
>>
>> Recently did Ancestry.com DNA, am now backtracking to find info on
>> paternal side (already had maternal DNA matches and know many maternal
>> first-third cousins).
>>
>> My paternal grandmother's name was Mary Sears in some records, but Mary
>> could be Maria, and Sears could be Soares.  No middle name known.She
>> died in Merced County in March, 1965, and  was born about 1889 possibly in
>> Pico, Azores. We have nothing on the yr she emigrated nor port of entry,
>> but family story is she worked on a sheep ranch in Idaho for a  few yrs
>> under sponsorship of an uncle (no name) and may have had at least one
>> brother here in the US (we think it was Anthony or Antonio Sears/Soares).
>> She married Joseph Freitas Caldeira (we think from Flores, Azores) in
>> Contra Costa Cty in 1911, then settled in Gustine, CA, had 5 living
>> children, including my Dad, Joseph (Jr).  Joseph Freitas Caldeira 1921
>> death cert says his parents were Frank Freitas Caldeira and Mary Sousa of
>> the Azores.  We have no info on Mary's parents' names; picked up the Pico,
>> Azores birthplace from a Google Group string from 2013 which seemed to
>> match my grandmother's dates.Using DNA matches from maternal relatives
>> I've picked out  names of 2nd and 3rd cousins in my own DNA matches that I
>> believe may be related to me through my paternal grandfather/grandmother;
>> no responses  yet from messages sent through Ancestry.com so think I need
>> more names/info on both paternal grands.
>>
>> I'd appreciate help  picking up info or links  on both of my paternal
>> grandparents, but especially on my grandmother  Mary/Maria Soares/Sears
>> e.g. we'd like to find out if her maiden surname was really Sears or Soares
>> or something else as my DNA ethnicity groups show unexpected possibility
>> of non-Portuguese lineage in the paternal greatgrandparent generation
>> (Italian and Irish in very high percentages). Thanks, Gwen
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree Maker

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I've been using the FTM 2005 version since it's release. I recently bought
the 2017 .

Not a Fan. A waste of $79.  Very difficult to navigate and I feel poorly
designed.

The only improvement was the ability to create a PDF that was lacking in
the 2005.

I don't want to link every tree I have to Ancestry, so they can throw a
thousand useless "hints" at me.

I'm back to using 2005 for my daily work.

Eric Edgar

On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 7:01 AM, Liz Migliori  wrote:

> Sale ended yesterday Linda
> Sorry
>
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> > On May 16, 2018, at 11:00 PM, Nancy Couto  wrote:
> >
> > Liz,
> >
> > I have Family Tree Maker, and I have not had any problems. One of the
> best features of the Software MacKiev version is that it is possible to
> link more than one family tree to Ancestry. The color coding is also a
> useful.
> >
> > Nancy
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Origin of surname Noia on Flores

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Antonio was one of six children born to  Manuel de Fraga and Maria Pimentel
that I have found. It's a common occurrence for a child to have a different
surname than his father. It may be from his mother's family , or his
father's maternal family.

Eric

On Sat, May 5, 2018 at 6:23 PM, <1halfazor...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes, Eric
> Still trying to comprehend how Manuel de Fraga and Maria Pimentel’s
> one and only child was named Antonio Fraga Noia?
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Origin of surname Noia on Flores

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That is my work.


Eric Edgar

On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 7:25 AM, <1halfazor...@gmail.com> wrote:

> https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!msg/azores/n6QT_fFpYqI/StqdGLkj4ZkJ
>   This where I got ALL of my info. from!
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Origin of surname Noia on Flores

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Is this Theresa Aguiar?

Eric

On Thu, May 3, 2018, 1:22 PM Luv4hevn <luv4h...@comcast.net> wrote:

> Hello Eric we have connected before.  My family being one of those Noia
> lines.
> We are the Noia’s from the Santa Cruz, Flores line.
> Brothers Roberto Antonio Noia & Francisco Noia came to the USA.  There is
> definitely 2 different Noia family sides in Antioch, CA area.  I’m still
> trying to separate them out.
> Theresa
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 2, 2018, at 3:58 PM, luiznoia <noblankt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> My grandfather's family is Noia from Flores. I have all of the Flores
> history and geneaolgy books in print. The consensus is that there are two
> Noia lines. One leads back to
>
> Sao Miguel and before that to Porto Santo, Madeira. This line is centered
> in Santa Cruz.
>
>
>
> The other Noia group comes from the town of Noia, on the coast of Galicia,
> Spain. It is a closest seaport to Santiago de Compostela.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noia
>
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noia>
> Bartolomeu de Noia is the originator of this line centered in Ponta
> Delgada. He died there in 1680. This is my line. I have a document chain
> back to him.
>
> In America, it some times became Noya. There is no shortening it. My great
> grandfather dropped the Noia name at naturalization, and used his middle
> name
>
> Luiz instead.
>
> I've spent 20 years picking apart the various Noia lines. If you have more
> information for me, I can see where it fits in.
>
>
> Eric Edgar
>
> On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 8:51 AM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Repost for , 1halfazorean at gmail.com
>>
>> I googled my great grand mother’s name ( Nunes )and came across a thread
>> with past relatives of her husband Antonio Noia! My great grand father
>> naturally. Wow. It also lists their three children, my great aunt & uncle
>> and my grandmother. Very interesting. It also mentions my mothers two
>> brothers and not her or her two sisters or her!  Reading through all the
>> past generation with all the familiar last names and some of the first
>> names is amazing. Sure wish my mom was alive to see this information.
>>   My question is, where did the Noia name begin? António Fraga sees to
>> have started it all in the Azores, Flores. Fraga, Carvalho, Pimentel, De
>> Jesus are also mentioned. I don’t see where the name Noia actually enters
>> the family!?  Also mentioned is that, Noia was shortened or altered once
>> arriving in America.
>> Anyway, any comments welcome
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Origin of surname Noia on Flores

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I have a Contra Costa County Noia families master file. I have every Noia
line mapped.

Send me specific information, and I'll look them up.

Eric Edgar


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> Cliff N;  Where do your Fragas come from?  Mine are from Sao Jorge.
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlan, MX)
>
>
>
> *From: *1halfazor...@gmail.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, May 3, 2018 6:10 PM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Origin of surname Noia on Flores
>
>
>
> Well, my information came from you! The Fraga line. My great grandfather
> was António Carvalho Noia. Number 9 on your genealogy list. He married
> Maria Nunes. They lived in Oakley,CA.
>
>  I Am still unclear how the Noia names comes in to play. I don’t see who
> brought the Noia name into the mix. Still interested. Thanks for your
> efforts.
>
>Cliff N
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joao da Souza born 1847, Ponta Delgada (no island specified)

[luiznoia]

On Flores, Ponta Delgada is a freguisia in Santa Cruz concelho


Eric Edgar

On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 1:30 AM, JR  wrote:

> Of course the paternal grandmother should be Roza Joaquina.
>
> JR
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 2, 2018 at 4:27:25 AM UTC-4, JR wrote:
>>
>> Don't you have the name of his parents? The birth date could be wrong and
>> often is. You may have to look for his passport. Here is one Jose from Sao
>> Pedro, Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, born to Sousa parent. The birth date is
>> close but not an exact match.
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-
>> SAOPEDRO-B-1845-1848/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-B-1845-1848_item1/P93.html
>>
>> Top record, page 93, left page.
>>
>> Jose son of Antonio de Souza Ramos native of Santa Cruz, Graciosa Island,
>> Azores, and Maria Izabel native of Sao Pedro, Ponta Delgada, born, June 18-
>> 1747, bap- July 11, 1747. Paternal grandson of Antonio de Souza Ramos and
>> Toza Joaquina; maternal grandson of Antonio Ferreira and Joanna Maria.
>>
>> JR
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 1, 2018 at 11:42:12 AM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>
>>> Repost for Joy, joynpete at outlook.com.au
>>>
>>> Joao De Souza was born in Ponta Delgada, Azures, Portugal on 25 May
>>> 1847.  Where do I search for his family records?  He came to Australia in
>>> about 1869 and I am visiting the Azores later this year and would like to
>>> find information on his family prior to his leaving.  Can you assist??
>>> Joy
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Origin of surname Noia on Flores

[luiznoia]

My grandfather's family is Noia from Flores. I have all of the Flores
history and geneaolgy books in print. The consensus is that there are two
Noia lines. One leads back to

Sao Miguel and before that to Porto Santo, Madeira. This line is centered
in Santa Cruz.



The other Noia group comes from the town of Noia, on the coast of Galicia,
Spain. It is a closest seaport to Santiago de Compostela.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noia


Bartolomeu de Noia is the originator of this line centered in Ponta
Delgada. He died there in 1680. This is my line. I have a document chain
back to him.

In America, it some times became Noya. There is no shortening it. My great
grandfather dropped the Noia name at naturalization, and used his middle
name

Luiz instead.

I've spent 20 years picking apart the various Noia lines. If you have more
information for me, I can see where it fits in.


Eric Edgar

On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 8:51 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Repost for , 1halfazorean at gmail.com
>
> I googled my great grand mother’s name ( Nunes )and came across a thread
> with past relatives of her husband Antonio Noia! My great grand father
> naturally. Wow. It also lists their three children, my great aunt & uncle
> and my grandmother. Very interesting. It also mentions my mothers two
> brothers and not her or her two sisters or her!  Reading through all the
> past generation with all the familiar last names and some of the first
> names is amazing. Sure wish my mom was alive to see this information.
>   My question is, where did the Noia name begin? António Fraga sees to
> have started it all in the Azores, Flores. Fraga, Carvalho, Pimentel, De
> Jesus are also mentioned. I don’t see where the name Noia actually enters
> the family!?  Also mentioned is that, Noia was shortened or altered once
> arriving in America.
> Anyway, any comments welcome
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Leonardo/Simas family in Humboldt County

[luiznoia]

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-B-1880-1889/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-B-1880-1889_item1/P395.html

24 Nov 1889 Riberinha, Terceira

On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 11:51 AM, luiznoia <noblankt...@gmail.com> wrote:

> There is an Ancestry.com tree that covers this family called Hunt Price
> Nunes.
>
> It says he is from Feteira, Terceira without documentation, but his WW1
> draft card from Arcata says he was born Terceira on 10 Jul 1891.
>
> It shows his parents without any documented proof.
>
> Eric Edgar
>
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 8:26 AM, <doreencaet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I have these same names in my tree, Look in Ribeirinha, Terceira. Check
>> the passport records.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>> Windows 10
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Amanda.R.Edwards <theblackcatj...@gmail.com>
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, April 11, 2018 9:17 PM
>> *To: *Azores Genealogy <azores@googlegroups.com>
>> *Subject: *[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Leonardo/Simas family in Humboldt
>> County
>>
>>
>>
>> Ignore the last line in my last message. I wrote it wrong :)
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 22, 2017 at 12:03:04 AM UTC-4, Trisha wrote:
>>
>> Hello!
>>
>> I have been working on my genealogy for quite some time. My family from
>> the Azores is a complete brick wall. Here is what I know:
>>
>> My great grandpa was Frank Joseph Leonardo (Possibly Francisco Jose) b.
>> 1889 in Terceira. He emigrated in abt. 1909.
>>
>> He married:
>>
>> Emelia (census says Amelia) Gertrude Simas b. 1894 in Terceira. She
>> emigrated in about 1913.
>>
>>
>> Besides that, I really have zero information on them. Franks mothers
>> maiden name may have been Goncalves. I have found census info for a
>> "Amancio Golcalves Leonardo" who I believe may be Franks older brother.
>>
>> Emelia's mothers maiden name may be Brito.
>>
>>
>> Anyone know of what I should be looking? I'm so lost here.
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Leonardo/Simas family in Humboldt County

[luiznoia]

There is an Ancestry.com tree that covers this family called Hunt Price
Nunes.

It says he is from Feteira, Terceira without documentation, but his WW1
draft card from Arcata says he was born Terceira on 10 Jul 1891.

It shows his parents without any documented proof.

Eric Edgar

On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 8:26 AM,  wrote:

> I have these same names in my tree, Look in Ribeirinha, Terceira. Check
> the passport records.
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail  for
> Windows 10
>
>
>
> *From: *Amanda.R.Edwards 
> *Sent: *Wednesday, April 11, 2018 9:17 PM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject: *[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Leonardo/Simas family in Humboldt County
>
>
>
> Ignore the last line in my last message. I wrote it wrong :)
>
> On Wednesday, March 22, 2017 at 12:03:04 AM UTC-4, Trisha wrote:
>
> Hello!
>
> I have been working on my genealogy for quite some time. My family from
> the Azores is a complete brick wall. Here is what I know:
>
> My great grandpa was Frank Joseph Leonardo (Possibly Francisco Jose) b.
> 1889 in Terceira. He emigrated in abt. 1909.
>
> He married:
>
> Emelia (census says Amelia) Gertrude Simas b. 1894 in Terceira. She
> emigrated in about 1913.
>
>
> Besides that, I really have zero information on them. Franks mothers
> maiden name may have been Goncalves. I have found census info for a
> "Amancio Golcalves Leonardo" who I believe may be Franks older brother.
>
> Emelia's mothers maiden name may be Brito.
>
>
> Anyone know of what I should be looking? I'm so lost here.
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] What is considered New World

[luiznoia]

I've been hired so many times to find a Native American ancestor in a
family background that I give it a shorthand name,The  Secret Squaw.

Eric Edgar


On Mon, Mar 26, 2018, 8:39 AM E. Sharp  wrote:

> Susan,
>
> Thanks for posting this.  My husband swears he has Am. Indian ancestors.
> His DNA shows none and I do not know his maternal DNA line past his GG
> grandmother. I guess he might be right after all. Darn!!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 26, 2018, at 6:18 AM, 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Yes…it’s pretty small amount Cheri. Dave is less than 2% but I know for
> sure his great-great-great grandmother was full Native American, the
> daughter of a Lakota Sioux Chief…..Crow Feather:)  I have found paper on
> this….so I guess it does wash out:(
>
> thanks,
>
> Susan Vargas Murphy
>
> On Mar 24, 2018, at 9:13 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
> It depends on the definition of "small." Trace amounts are just that -
> they make for cocktail party talk. To me, anything under 3% is
> questionable, as the ethnicity estimates have quite a way to go still. If
> you've got the ancestor documented, than it could be picking it up as
> "noise." Usually, the Nat.Amer. ancestor needs to be 100% Nat. Am. and
> needs to be your parent, grand, great, or 2-great. Otherwise, it washes
> out. People of South American and Central American descent who still marry
> within their culture will show it in good amounts. That's probably a
> Brazilian's screen shot that I captured, from someone who has been there
> many generations, so the Native gets mixed with the Native from the
> spouse.  Cheri
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 11:33 PM, 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Cheri!
>>
>> My husband has a little of that New World and he has a small amount of
>> Native American ancestry I thought maybe that is where it came from?
>> Does that sound right to you?
>>
>> Susan
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 22, 2018, at 2:38 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>> People with "New World" get this on their map under their My Origins tab
>> (ethnicity ESTIMATES):
>> 
>>
>> I see it with the Brazilians and people who are part Mexican or part
>> South American. Cheri
>>
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 2:29 PM, 'Vivian Christy' via Azores Genealogy <
>> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Cheri,  I was asked the question about the break down on FTDNA where
>>> they tell you what percentage of nationality you have in your DNA.
>>>
>>> So if someone has New World in that break down what does that mean
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>> Vivian Silva Christy
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Maria Isabel Rodrigues

[luiznoia .]

John,

If you type Dyce into the search of your gmail, you should be able to find
the thread.

Eric

On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 12:25 PM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Threads/posts/messages over 30 days old are closed. Responses to those
> threads are marked as spam. Please just copy and paste anything important
> from the previous thread to this one. Thank you, Cheri
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 12:08 PM, luiznoia . <noblankt...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> John,
>>
>> I worked on this back in 2013 with you. I'll go back and comment on that
>> thread so all discussion can be seen again.
>>
>> Meanwhile I found one more news item on Joseph Dyce. This is from 1914,
>> and he is being transported to Watsonville as an indigent.
>>
>>
>> Eric Edgar
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 10:59 AM, "E" Sharp <bellema...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I was thinking the same thing...Dyce/Dias.  Also what about
>>> Nicols/Nicholas??
>>>
>>> "E"
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 10:44 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
>>> richard.francis.pimen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> *Just some quick thoughts. The name Joseph Silva Dyce – I believe Dyce
>>>> is a phonetic spelling of Dias so in Portuguese records it would be Jose da
>>>> Silva Dias. Where did this Joseph Nichols come from? Did Jose da Silva Dias
>>>> die and Maria Isabel remarry? You kind of indicate this but you have no
>>>> death date for Jose da Silva Dias or a marriage record with Jose Nichols.*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Have you done any DNA testing to see if you can get any matches with
>>>> an indication of which island and general location your ancestors may be
>>>> from?  *
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Rick*
>>>>
>>>> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>>>>
>>>> *Epping, NH*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and
>>>> Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
>>>> Behalf Of *John Machado
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 22, 2018 10:42 PM
>>>> *To:* Azores Genealogy
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Maria Isabel Rodrigues
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have done a lot of research with nothing to show for her life before
>>>> coming to US.  I chose Angustius out of dumb luck to be honest.  I was
>>>> simply trying to look at baptism records around the birth date of Oct 26,
>>>> 1830 as a last ditch effort.  Angustius is simply where I started.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What I know.
>>>>
>>>>- Mary Esabel Rodrigues arrives in the US prior to 1868 even though
>>>>the 1880 Oakland, CA census record indicates 1870 as arrival year.
>>>>- Mary Esabel Rodrigues gave birth to Mary Agnes Silva, Jan 24th
>>>>1868 in Buffalo, NY.  Joseph Silva listed as father.
>>>>- Mary gave birth to a second child named Joseph Silva, August 2,
>>>>1869 in Oakland, CA.  Joseph Silva listed as father.
>>>>- Using Oakland Directory records Maria is living at the same
>>>>address as Joseph Nichols.  Joseph Nichols is also written on the back 
>>>> of a
>>>>family photo I have, listed as Step Father to Mary Agnes Silva.
>>>>- Son, Joseph Silva changes name to Joseph Dyce.  Joseph Silva Dyce
>>>>shown on death cert and internment records.
>>>>- Joseph Nichols dies Sept 15, 1893.  I have death cert. Lists Mary
>>>>Roderick as maiden name of mother and Joseph Dyce as father.
>>>>- Maria Esabel Rodrigues now Maria Esabel Nichols dies in Oakland,
>>>>CA Nov 4, 1901.  I have death cert.
>>>>
>>>> Media
>>>>
>>>>- 1880 US Census Oakland, CA showing Joseph, Mary, Mary, Joseph.
>>>>Age of Mary shown as 40.  (Address ma

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Maria Isabel Rodrigues

[luiznoia .]

John,

Joseph Dyce and Marie Rogers had two children;

DYCE   GERALDIN   I   1913   05   04   RODGERS   FEMALE   SANTA CRUZ
 262687
 DYCE   GERALD   M   1914   09   23   RODGERS   MALE   SANTA CRUZ   310216

The 1920 census shows Marie and the children living with her father, Milton
P Rogers   at 99 Bay St, Santa Cruz.

Eric Edgar

On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 12:24 PM, luiznoia . <noblankt...@gmail.com> wrote:

> John,
>
> Here is  marriage announcement for Joseph Dyce from 1912 . Green Valley is
> between Corralitos and Freedom in eastern Santa Cruz county.
>
> Marie Rogers is the daughter of Manuel P and Mary Rogers, both born in
> Portugal. She was born in Massachucetts in 1876 according to the 1910 census
>
>
> Eric Edgar
>
> On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 12:08 PM, luiznoia . <noblankt...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> John,
>>
>> I worked on this back in 2013 with you. I'll go back and comment on that
>> thread so all discussion can be seen again.
>>
>> Meanwhile I found one more news item on Joseph Dyce. This is from 1914,
>> and he is being transported to Watsonville as an indigent.
>>
>>
>> Eric Edgar
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 10:59 AM, "E" Sharp <bellema...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I was thinking the same thing...Dyce/Dias.  Also what about
>>> Nicols/Nicholas??
>>>
>>> "E"
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 10:44 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
>>> richard.francis.pimen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> *Just some quick thoughts. The name Joseph Silva Dyce – I believe Dyce
>>>> is a phonetic spelling of Dias so in Portuguese records it would be Jose da
>>>> Silva Dias. Where did this Joseph Nichols come from? Did Jose da Silva Dias
>>>> die and Maria Isabel remarry? You kind of indicate this but you have no
>>>> death date for Jose da Silva Dias or a marriage record with Jose Nichols.*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Have you done any DNA testing to see if you can get any matches with
>>>> an indication of which island and general location your ancestors may be
>>>> from?  *
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Rick*
>>>>
>>>> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>>>>
>>>> *Epping, NH*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and
>>>> Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
>>>> Behalf Of *John Machado
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 22, 2018 10:42 PM
>>>> *To:* Azores Genealogy
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Maria Isabel Rodrigues
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have done a lot of research with nothing to show for her life before
>>>> coming to US.  I chose Angustius out of dumb luck to be honest.  I was
>>>> simply trying to look at baptism records around the birth date of Oct 26,
>>>> 1830 as a last ditch effort.  Angustius is simply where I started.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What I know.
>>>>
>>>>- Mary Esabel Rodrigues arrives in the US prior to 1868 even though
>>>>the 1880 Oakland, CA census record indicates 1870 as arrival year.
>>>>- Mary Esabel Rodrigues gave birth to Mary Agnes Silva, Jan 24th
>>>>1868 in Buffalo, NY.  Joseph Silva listed as father.
>>>>- Mary gave birth to a second child named Joseph Silva, August 2,
>>>>1869 in Oakland, CA.  Joseph Silva listed as father.
>>>>- Using Oakland Directory records Maria is living at the same
>>>>address as Joseph Nichols.  Joseph Nichols is also written on the back 
>>>> of a
>>>>family photo I have, listed as Step Father to Mary Agnes Silva.
>>>>- Son, Joseph Silva changes name to Joseph Dyce.  Joseph Silva Dyce
>>>>shown on death cert and internment records.
>>>>- Joseph Nichols dies Sept 15, 1893.  I have death cert. Lists Mary
>>>>Roderick as maiden name of mother and Joseph Dyce as father.
>>>>- Maria Esabel Rodrigues now Maria Esabel Nichols dies in Oakland,
>>>>CA Nov 4, 1901.  I have dea

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Looking for documentation of g.grandfather Antonio Goncalves Born 1877

[luiznoia .]

He is Antonio Souza Gonsalves. There is an UPEC death record for him dated
17 Mar 1936 at Ancestry.

Member 176 of Conselho # 56 East Oakland , joined 30 Jul 1913. Wife is Anna
Souza Gonsalves

He does not appear in the UPEC register for #56 at AzoresGenWeb. It ends
with 1911.

In the 1910 census Antone and Anna are living in Sparks, Washoe, Nevada
with daughter Evalina. He says he naturalized in 1900.

The 1920 cenus shows Antone and Annie living at 1175 63rd St, Oakland . Two
daughters born in Nevada, Evelena and Margarite

Antone arrived in 1886 and naturalized in 1902. Annie arrived 1906, and
naturalized 1906, so that would be the year they married likely.

Here is a news article that names Antonio as a cousin from 18 Mar 1935
Oakland Tribune . The address is same as census of 1920. 1175 63rd St


Eric Edgar

On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 12:49 PM, luiznoia . <noblankt...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The obit for Antonio Gonsalves is not in the 1936  Oakland Tribune . I
> have found that more Portuguese placed obits in the Oakland Post during the
> 1920s and 30s.
>
> This can be found at the Oakland Main library on microfilm.
>
> Eric Edgar
>
> On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 12:38 PM, "E" Sharp <bellema...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Sarah,
>>
>> From what I can tell, they were probably married in the U.S.  Probably
>> MA??  Then they came to CA.  Were any of their children born in MA?  Did
>> they have a daughter Eva or some semblance of that name?  1936 obituaries
>> for Oakland are online but I don't know what month he died.  Also, maybe
>> they bought the "Portuguese" insurance and, in that case, Celeste might be
>> able to help you with this and maybe that will give more info??
>>
>> "E"
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 10:09 AM, Sarah Stinson <sastin...@ucdavis.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ola group,
>>> Here's what I learned from my Dad:
>>> "Antonio Goncalves b. Jan 8, 1877, Flores, m. Anna Diogo b. June 18,
>>> 1877, Flores. Came to the US around 1902. Eventually moving to Carson City
>>> area of Nevada where two children were born. Moved to Oakland abt. 1920.
>>> Antonio died 1936, Anna in 1938. Both buried in Contra Costa County, CA."
>>> I'm searching for the birth certificate/record of Antonio Goncalves to
>>> help my Mom apply for Portuguese citizenship.
>>> Again, thanks for your help!
>>> Sarah
>>>
>>> On Sunday, March 18, 2018 at 9:11:23 PM UTC-7, Sarah Stinson wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello Azores group,
>>>>
>>>> I'm helping my Mom to locate information on her grandfather, Antonio
>>>> Goncalves, who was born Jan 8th, 1877 in the Azores (we believe he was born
>>>> on Ilha Flores but are not 100% sure). I've requested the baptism records
>>>> for the Igreja Católica. Nossa Senhora da Conceição (Santa Cruz das
>>>> Flores, Horta <https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/353227#>) 
>>>> parish,
>>>> but I know these documents can be difficult to read (especially since I
>>>> don't speak Portuguese...yet). Is there anywhere else I should be looking?
>>>> Can anyone prove help with this?
>>>>
>>>> Thank you,
>>>> Sarah S
>>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Looking for documentation of g.grandfather Antonio Goncalves Born 1877

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The obit for Antonio Gonsalves is not in the 1936  Oakland Tribune . I have
found that more Portuguese placed obits in the Oakland Post during the
1920s and 30s.

This can be found at the Oakland Main library on microfilm.

Eric Edgar

On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 12:38 PM, "E" Sharp  wrote:

> Sarah,
>
> From what I can tell, they were probably married in the U.S.  Probably
> MA??  Then they came to CA.  Were any of their children born in MA?  Did
> they have a daughter Eva or some semblance of that name?  1936 obituaries
> for Oakland are online but I don't know what month he died.  Also, maybe
> they bought the "Portuguese" insurance and, in that case, Celeste might be
> able to help you with this and maybe that will give more info??
>
> "E"
>
> On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 10:09 AM, Sarah Stinson 
> wrote:
>
>> Ola group,
>> Here's what I learned from my Dad:
>> "Antonio Goncalves b. Jan 8, 1877, Flores, m. Anna Diogo b. June 18,
>> 1877, Flores. Came to the US around 1902. Eventually moving to Carson City
>> area of Nevada where two children were born. Moved to Oakland abt. 1920.
>> Antonio died 1936, Anna in 1938. Both buried in Contra Costa County, CA."
>> I'm searching for the birth certificate/record of Antonio Goncalves to
>> help my Mom apply for Portuguese citizenship.
>> Again, thanks for your help!
>> Sarah
>>
>> On Sunday, March 18, 2018 at 9:11:23 PM UTC-7, Sarah Stinson wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Azores group,
>>>
>>> I'm helping my Mom to locate information on her grandfather, Antonio
>>> Goncalves, who was born Jan 8th, 1877 in the Azores (we believe he was born
>>> on Ilha Flores but are not 100% sure). I've requested the baptism records
>>> for the Igreja Católica. Nossa Senhora da Conceição (Santa Cruz das
>>> Flores, Horta ) parish,
>>> but I know these documents can be difficult to read (especially since I
>>> don't speak Portuguese...yet). Is there anywhere else I should be looking?
>>> Can anyone prove help with this?
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>> Sarah S
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Looking for documentation of g.grandfather Antonio Goncalves Born 1877

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The only Antonio Goncalves born in the town Santa Cruz, Flores around this
time is the one seen at the bottom right, born 8 Dec 1879

son of Jose Caetano da Silva Gonsalves and Emilia Rosa da Conceicao

 
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1876-1880/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1876-1880_item1/P136.html





















On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 11:18 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Sarah S,
> I thought this was your mom's side???
>
> I searched the entire Flores marriage book (it's basically an index of the
> records that are online at the CCA) and there is no Antonio Gonçalves who
> married Anna anywhere on the island. There is no Antonio Gonçalves getting
> married in any parish on the island of Flores.
>
> You'll need to do more U.S. research. If you are SURE he's from Flores,
> then he's dropped a name and you'll need to find out what that name is.
> Cheri
>
> Cheri Mello
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> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 10:09 AM, Sarah Stinson 
> wrote:
>
>> Ola group,
>> Here's what I learned from my Dad:
>> "Antonio Goncalves b. Jan 8, 1877, Flores, m. Anna Diogo b. June 18,
>> 1877, Flores. Came to the US around 1902. Eventually moving to Carson City
>> area of Nevada where two children were born. Moved to Oakland abt. 1920.
>> Antonio died 1936, Anna in 1938. Both buried in Contra Costa County, CA."
>> I'm searching for the birth certificate/record of Antonio Goncalves to
>> help my Mom apply for Portuguese citizenship.
>> Again, thanks for your help!
>> Sarah
>>
>> On Sunday, March 18, 2018 at 9:11:23 PM UTC-7, Sarah Stinson wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Azores group,
>>>
>>> I'm helping my Mom to locate information on her grandfather, Antonio
>>> Goncalves, who was born Jan 8th, 1877 in the Azores (we believe he was born
>>> on Ilha Flores but are not 100% sure). I've requested the baptism records
>>> for the Igreja Católica. Nossa Senhora da Conceição (Santa Cruz das
>>> Flores, Horta ) parish,
>>> but I know these documents can be difficult to read (especially since I
>>> don't speak Portuguese...yet). Is there anywhere else I should be looking?
>>> Can anyone prove help with this?
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>> Sarah S
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sao Joao Lajes, Pico Azores 1820's

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How do you have his birthdate and place ?

Eric Edgar

On Jan 2, 2018 6:07 PM, "Mickey Blue"  wrote:

> Hi all, I'm an Australian, descendant of Manuel Jacinto, born Sao Joao
> Pico 9 December 1825, son of Manuel Jacinto De Avila and Rosa Francesca. I
> can only speak English, so I struggle with Portuguese language and naming
> practices, any information in that regard would much appreciated. I'm also
> interested in history and hope, one day, to write a novel, based on my
> Great great grandfather's life and times. He was charged with stealing a
> Frenchman's watch in Trinidad in 1836, at 11 years of age, he was tried ,
> under British law, transported to Van Diemen's land (now Tasmania
> Australia) after two years on prison hulks in England. It is a tale of
> terrible hardship, survival and redemption. He had four daughters and
> through them, many hundreds of direct descendants.
>
> Naturally I'm interested in all my family history, but also would also
> love to know cultural, social and religious customs around 1820's. On his
> convict records, he was listed as being from Madeira, but I know he was
> born in Pico, so I think he may have arrived in Trinidad from Madeira (I
> believe the British recruited workers from Madeira during the transition
> from slavery to sate demands made by plantation owners for compensation).
>
> Kind Regards
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Is there a Y12 test in FTDNA ?

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I transferred my Nat Geo Y12 to Ftdna 10 years ago. There has been no
activity in the matches. You need to go for the Y37 or higher.

Eric Edgar



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> I went to the FTDNA site to look for a Y12 test suggested I do but can not
> find it listed as an option. I see Y-37, Y-67 , Y-111 and the Big Y. Is
> there a Y12 ? Does anyone know ? George Medeiros
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] I.D.E.S. Fraternal Organization

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Each parish church had an IDES group that planned the local Holy Ghost
celebrations. It was made up of members of the local fraternal group, UPEC
or others.

Eric Edgar



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> Yes, I know that the UPEC, IDES, etc, etc were different organizations. I
> know SOME are on the Azores GenWeb, SOME are on Ancestry, SOME are on film,
> and SOME may be in someone's home. So if yours aren't on the Azores GenWeb
> or Ancestry, you will have to wait for the FHL to digitize their film and
> it to become available at FamilySearch. Maybe they've digitized it by now.
> There's no more film, so if they didn't digitize, they'll get to it in the
> next 3 years or so. If they are in someone's home, you are out of luck.
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] How to cut and paste records

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It depends on what type of computer you have.
On my Windows 10 based one, I use screenshot to save them, the Photo
Manager to crop. I add them to documents as an image.

On Aug 8, 2017 2:09 PM, E" Sharp"  wrote:

> Its been a while since I have cut and pasted records from the bmd
> records.  Can someone enlighten me?  I am trying to enlarge and print
> certain records.
>
> Thank you.
> "E"
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: ENOS/ENES VARGAS CONCORD, CA

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You can find the family on the 1880 census in township 1, contra costa, as
Joao and Filomena Ygnacio.

Joseph is seven years old. It seems all the other children born before 1880
died except him

On Sat, Aug 5, 2017 at 10:27 AM, luiznoia . <noblankt...@gmail.com> wrote:

> When looking at the 1900 census, there are good clues there.
>
> They both arrived in 1868, 32 years before, and have been married 30
> years.
>
> So they married in the Azores, and arrived together.
>
> Do you have any documents showing Faial as Emma birthplace ?
>
> They are likely from the same area. So I'd be looking at the 1868 Horta
> passports on CCA
>
>
> Eric
>
> On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 11:36 AM, Sami <saudade1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi luiznoia! Yes, those are my 2nd great grandparents. I have recently
>> made contact with a close dna match that was able to put me in touch with
>> two other cousins on that side. All three are my second cousins once
>> removed! Unfortunately, no one knows the true story of how John Enes Vargas
>> got here to the U.S. and what island he came from. His wife was from
>> Feteira, Faial, so maybe his family was from there. All anyone knows is
>> that his father's name was Joseph (Jose?) and his mother was possibly
>> Francesca. I can find nothing on this couple. Still looking! Thank you for
>> sharing what you found, it is appreciated!
>> Sami
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 12:55:54 PM UTC-5, luiznoia wrote:
>>>
>>> The Vargas couple at St Stephens Cemetery, Concord is the couple seen on
>>> the 1900 census
>>>
>>> their son Manuel is also buried there.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 10:22 AM, luiznoia . <nobla...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sami,
>>>>
>>>> Here's the 1892 California Voters Register for John Enes Vargas living
>>>> at Baypoint, Concord Precint,
>>>>
>>>> Also the 1886 CA Voters. They both show his naturalization date and
>>>> place.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 9:35 AM, luiznoia . <nobla...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Sami.
>>>>>
>>>>> On the 1910 census , the name has been switched to Enos.
>>>>>
>>>>> They lived in Baypoint, which was renamed Port Chicago, and is
>>>>> currently in the Concord Naval Weapons Station,
>>>>>
>>>>> having been closed and evacuated by the US government in 1969.
>>>>>
>>>>> Their son's draft card shows this as his birthplace
>>>>>
>>>>> This 1914 map shows it on the river north of Concord
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Aug 1, 2017 at 11:05 AM, Sami <sauda...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Kathie,
>>>>>> I'm wondering now if your Michael J. Enos was my 2nd
>>>>>> great-grandfather John Enes/Enos Vargas's brother. It has been said his
>>>>>> father's name was Joseph, but no one can find anything about him. Do you
>>>>>> have any info on Joseph and Frances?
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Sami
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sunday, July 30, 2017 at 9:22:27 PM UTC-5, Kathie Enos Simond
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is a journey as I have finally found the link to my grandmother
>>>>>>> Enos, she was always called Emily but her legal name was Susan Emily 
>>>>>>> one I
>>>>>>> plugged it in correctly all the information fell into place.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My GG Grandfather Michael J. Enos was from the Azores, Portugal and
>>>>>>> arrived in 1885 to New Bedford area.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If I am correct his legal name would be Miguel Jose Ignatio  ?
>>>>>>> Ignatio when spoken with Portuguese dialect sounds exactly like ENOS.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You can use google translate with speakers on, which was how I came
>>>>>>> to possibility of Ignatio. His fathers name was Joseph ( Jose) and his
>>>>>>> mother Frances (Francesca) this is my best guess anyway.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best Wishes- Kathie
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> on Tuesday, March 21, 2017 at 12:11:41 AM UTC-4, E. Sharp wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I had an Aunt Emma.  Her birth name was Mary. She was the 2nd Mary
>>>>>>>> in the family so they called her Emma
>>>>>>>> "E"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: ENOS/ENES VARGAS CONCORD, CA

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When looking at the 1900 census, there are good clues there.

They both arrived in 1868, 32 years before, and have been married 30 years.

So they married in the Azores, and arrived together.

Do you have any documents showing Faial as Emma birthplace ?

They are likely from the same area. So I'd be looking at the 1868 Horta
passports on CCA


Eric

On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 11:36 AM, Sami <saudade1...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi luiznoia! Yes, those are my 2nd great grandparents. I have recently
> made contact with a close dna match that was able to put me in touch with
> two other cousins on that side. All three are my second cousins once
> removed! Unfortunately, no one knows the true story of how John Enes Vargas
> got here to the U.S. and what island he came from. His wife was from
> Feteira, Faial, so maybe his family was from there. All anyone knows is
> that his father's name was Joseph (Jose?) and his mother was possibly
> Francesca. I can find nothing on this couple. Still looking! Thank you for
> sharing what you found, it is appreciated!
> Sami
>
> On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 12:55:54 PM UTC-5, luiznoia wrote:
>>
>> The Vargas couple at St Stephens Cemetery, Concord is the couple seen on
>> the 1900 census
>>
>> their son Manuel is also buried there.
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 10:22 AM, luiznoia . <nobla...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Sami,
>>>
>>> Here's the 1892 California Voters Register for John Enes Vargas living
>>> at Baypoint, Concord Precint,
>>>
>>> Also the 1886 CA Voters. They both show his naturalization date and
>>> place.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 9:35 AM, luiznoia . <nobla...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sami.
>>>>
>>>> On the 1910 census , the name has been switched to Enos.
>>>>
>>>> They lived in Baypoint, which was renamed Port Chicago, and is
>>>> currently in the Concord Naval Weapons Station,
>>>>
>>>> having been closed and evacuated by the US government in 1969.
>>>>
>>>> Their son's draft card shows this as his birthplace
>>>>
>>>> This 1914 map shows it on the river north of Concord
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Aug 1, 2017 at 11:05 AM, Sami <sauda...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Kathie,
>>>>> I'm wondering now if your Michael J. Enos was my 2nd great-grandfather
>>>>> John Enes/Enos Vargas's brother. It has been said his father's name was
>>>>> Joseph, but no one can find anything about him. Do you have any info on
>>>>> Joseph and Frances?
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Sami
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, July 30, 2017 at 9:22:27 PM UTC-5, Kathie Enos Simond wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is a journey as I have finally found the link to my grandmother
>>>>>> Enos, she was always called Emily but her legal name was Susan Emily one 
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> plugged it in correctly all the information fell into place.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My GG Grandfather Michael J. Enos was from the Azores, Portugal and
>>>>>> arrived in 1885 to New Bedford area.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If I am correct his legal name would be Miguel Jose Ignatio  ?
>>>>>> Ignatio when spoken with Portuguese dialect sounds exactly like ENOS.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can use google translate with speakers on, which was how I came
>>>>>> to possibility of Ignatio. His fathers name was Joseph ( Jose) and his
>>>>>> mother Frances (Francesca) this is my best guess anyway.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best Wishes- Kathie
>>>>>>
>>>>>> on Tuesday, March 21, 2017 at 12:11:41 AM UTC-4, E. Sharp wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I had an Aunt Emma.  Her birth name was Mary. She was the 2nd Mary
>>>>>>> in the family so they called her Emma
>>>>>>> "E"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Casais das Flores e do Corvo no longer in Amazon - new book coming soon

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Ron da Silva just sent word from Flores, he attended the book dedication.

It is 782 pages , covering the Concelho of Santa Cruz.

Eric Edgar

On Jul 5, 2017 10:26 AM, "Margaret Vicente" 
wrote:

> Thank you, Joao.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 12:43 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> Thank you! Keep us posted! I will ask Family Search to obtain a copy too.
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 9:41 AM, João Ventura  wrote:
>>
>>> Got some updated info.
>>>
>>> The book will be released in July 14th at 20:00. Apparently it costs
>>> €10.. I'll reserve my judgment on this price once I get my hands on it.
>>>
>>> I've asked Lajes City Hall for details on how to order outside of
>>> Portugal.
>>>
>>> João
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, 7 June 2017 14:00:48 UTC+1, João Ventura wrote:

 Hi everyone,

 Some good news (and bad) for all those doing research in Flores.
 Francisco Gomes will release a new book in mid-July during the Festa do
 Emigrante.

 The bad news is that as preparation for this, he pulled the "Casais das
 Flores e do Corvo" ebook from Amazon. It seems it's still available in
 iTunes and Barnes, but he may pull them out of there as well. If you
 ever do research in Flores, I recommend that you get the ebook while it's
 still available: https://itunes.apple.com/us/bo
 ok/casais-das-flores-e-do-corvo/id588378486
 https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/casais-das-flores-e-do-corv
 o-francisco-gomes/1114254163?ean=9789892034348

 Best regards,

 João C. Ventura
 http://tombo.pt/en

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Casais das Flores e do Corvo no longer in Amazon - new book coming soon

[luiznoia .]

The first book covered the families of Lajes concelho. The new one should
cover Santa Cruz concelho.

On Jun 9, 2017 12:55 PM, "Liz Migliori"  wrote:

Lol got a little excited there

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 8, 2017, at 9:09 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

No Jeremy and Liz, go back and reread what Joao C. Ventura wrote. The new
title is "Genealogias da Ilha das Flores (Açores)." That translates to
"Genealogies of the Island of Flores (Azores)." So no, not all 9 islands.
ONE island - Flores.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] SPRSI Records

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You can find a lot of fraternal society news in local newspapers.
Newspaper.com, and California Digital Newspaper Collection are good sources.
Searching by your person's name in a specific paper is the most effective
way.

On Mar 19, 2017 8:15 AM, "lisahbskt via Azores Genealogy" <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Does anyone know if and where any existing records for SPRSI might be
> found?
>
> My great grandmother Maria Azevedo Chipman was the state President at one
> time.
>
> Thank you!
>
> Lisa Caetano Harley
> researching Pico & Sao Jorge
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Freitas Mendonca Flores ancestors

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These are from the Flores/Corvo marriage book

>From Lajes:

Caetano José de Mendonça [f.º de José de Mendonça e de Ana de Freitas]
 c. 1818.08.24 c.
 Inácia Rosa [f.ª de António de Freitas Lucas e de Maria Lourenço].


This may be the paternal great grandparents in Faja Grande

José de Mendonça [f.º de António de Mendonça, n. Corvo, e de Francisca de
Freitas, n. Fajã Grande, Lajes das Flores]

 c. 1783.09.15 c.

Ana de Freitas [n. Fajã Grande, f.ª de Francisco José e de Esperança de
Freitas]

Eric



On Mon, Jan 2, 2017 at 7:26 PM, luiznoia . <noblankt...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Here's the parents marriage information from Fajazinza
>
> António José de Mendonça [f.º de Caetano José de Mendonça e de Inácia Rosa]
>  c. 1850.08.31
>  c. Maria Inácia do Coração de Jesus [f.ª de António Coelho Ramos e de
> Maria Inácia].
>
> I have Flores families and Atwater connections. Search this group. I have
> many posts covering both
>
>
> Eric Edgar
>
> On Mon, Jan 2, 2017 at 4:17 PM, linda <menesesli...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Wendy,
>>
>> I'm new to FTDNA, but it looks like you and your grandmother match my mom
>> and me.  Two of my mom's grandparents were born on Flores, and I have their
>> lines sketched out to about the mid 1700's/early 1800's.  Our connection
>> might be beyond the range of the existing records, but I'm happy to help
>> look for a connection.  We have Mendonca and Freitas, among other names, in
>> our tree too.
>>
>> If you haven't already got the Flores/Corvo marriage book, I highly
>> recommend it:
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/Casais-das-Flores-Corvo-Portuguese-eb
>> ook/dp/B00AQAOOF6
>>
>> It's a searchable index of all the marriage records from the two
>> islands.  You can use it to cut down some of the record slogging and to put
>> together a good provisional tree fairly quickly.
>>
>> cheers,
>>
>> Linda Meneses
>>
>>
>> On Monday, January 2, 2017 at 2:18:50 PM UTC-8, WPederson wrote:
>>>
>>> After having my gandmother and dad do DNA testing through FamilyTreeDNA,
>>> I was able to narrow down my Azorean ancestors to the island of Flores.
>>> Since then I have found a previously undiscovered 1880 census (Murray,
>>> Alameda, California) for my gg grandfather Jose Freitas Mendonca (was
>>> incorrectly transcribed as Mundunco) that shows he was from Flores.  I've
>>> spent the holiday going through Flores baptismal records and found his
>>> baptismal record as well as at least 3 siblings, all with the same parents
>>> and grandparents.  I'm looking to connect to any descendants but have not
>>> found any through DNA matching that share family tree names, only Flores
>>> location.  Do any of these names match your ancestors?
>>>
>>> Jose Freitas Mendonca b. 1859, baptized 31 Mar 1859, Fajãzinha, Flores,
>>> Azores naturalized 1888 San Benito County, California, d. 2 Apr 1897
>>> Panoche, San Benito, CA
>>>
>>> Siblings-
>>> Mariana Mendonca b.1863, baptized 2 Sept 1863, Fajã Grande, Flores,
>>> Azores married someone with the last name Joseph and lived at one time in
>>> Livermore, Alameda, CA
>>> Thomazia Mendonca b. 1869, baptized 06 Jun 1869, Fajã Grande, Flores,
>>> Azores married someone named Vierra (Maybe Joseph F) and lived at one time
>>> in Watsonville, Santa Cruz, CA
>>> Antonio Jose Mendonca b 1877 baptized 06 Sep 1877, Fajã Grande, Flores,
>>> Azores-believe he could be the same as Antonio Jose Mendonca that died 2
>>> Dec 1944, Atwater, Merced, CA
>>>
>>> Parents-
>>> Antonio Jose Mendonca, from Flores, Azores
>>> Maria Ignacia, from Flores Azores
>>>
>>> Possible Uncle-
>>> Joao Freitas Mendonca b. 1822 d. 1 Mar 1890,  Fajã Grande, Flores, Azores
>>>
>>> Paternal Grandparents-
>>> Caetano Jose Mendonca from Flores, Azores
>>> Ignacia Rosa from Flores, Azores
>>>
>>> Maternal Grandparents-
>>> Antonio Coehlo Ramos from Flores, Azores
>>> Maria Ignacia from Flores, Azores
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Freitas Mendonca Flores ancestors

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Here's the parents marriage information from Fajazinza

António José de Mendonça [f.º de Caetano José de Mendonça e de Inácia Rosa]
 c. 1850.08.31
 c. Maria Inácia do Coração de Jesus [f.ª de António Coelho Ramos e de
Maria Inácia].

I have Flores families and Atwater connections. Search this group. I have
many posts covering both


Eric Edgar

On Mon, Jan 2, 2017 at 4:17 PM, linda  wrote:

> Hi Wendy,
>
> I'm new to FTDNA, but it looks like you and your grandmother match my mom
> and me.  Two of my mom's grandparents were born on Flores, and I have their
> lines sketched out to about the mid 1700's/early 1800's.  Our connection
> might be beyond the range of the existing records, but I'm happy to help
> look for a connection.  We have Mendonca and Freitas, among other names, in
> our tree too.
>
> If you haven't already got the Flores/Corvo marriage book, I highly
> recommend it:
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Casais-das-Flores-Corvo-Portuguese-
> ebook/dp/B00AQAOOF6
>
> It's a searchable index of all the marriage records from the two islands.
> You can use it to cut down some of the record slogging and to put together
> a good provisional tree fairly quickly.
>
> cheers,
>
> Linda Meneses
>
>
> On Monday, January 2, 2017 at 2:18:50 PM UTC-8, WPederson wrote:
>>
>> After having my gandmother and dad do DNA testing through FamilyTreeDNA,
>> I was able to narrow down my Azorean ancestors to the island of Flores.
>> Since then I have found a previously undiscovered 1880 census (Murray,
>> Alameda, California) for my gg grandfather Jose Freitas Mendonca (was
>> incorrectly transcribed as Mundunco) that shows he was from Flores.  I've
>> spent the holiday going through Flores baptismal records and found his
>> baptismal record as well as at least 3 siblings, all with the same parents
>> and grandparents.  I'm looking to connect to any descendants but have not
>> found any through DNA matching that share family tree names, only Flores
>> location.  Do any of these names match your ancestors?
>>
>> Jose Freitas Mendonca b. 1859, baptized 31 Mar 1859, Fajãzinha, Flores,
>> Azores naturalized 1888 San Benito County, California, d. 2 Apr 1897
>> Panoche, San Benito, CA
>>
>> Siblings-
>> Mariana Mendonca b.1863, baptized 2 Sept 1863, Fajã Grande, Flores,
>> Azores married someone with the last name Joseph and lived at one time in
>> Livermore, Alameda, CA
>> Thomazia Mendonca b. 1869, baptized 06 Jun 1869, Fajã Grande, Flores,
>> Azores married someone named Vierra (Maybe Joseph F) and lived at one time
>> in Watsonville, Santa Cruz, CA
>> Antonio Jose Mendonca b 1877 baptized 06 Sep 1877, Fajã Grande, Flores,
>> Azores-believe he could be the same as Antonio Jose Mendonca that died 2
>> Dec 1944, Atwater, Merced, CA
>>
>> Parents-
>> Antonio Jose Mendonca, from Flores, Azores
>> Maria Ignacia, from Flores Azores
>>
>> Possible Uncle-
>> Joao Freitas Mendonca b. 1822 d. 1 Mar 1890,  Fajã Grande, Flores, Azores
>>
>> Paternal Grandparents-
>> Caetano Jose Mendonca from Flores, Azores
>> Ignacia Rosa from Flores, Azores
>>
>> Maternal Grandparents-
>> Antonio Coehlo Ramos from Flores, Azores
>> Maria Ignacia from Flores, Azores
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for my family in Flores Azores

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Jean,

Have you done Autosomal DNA testing ? FTDNA and 23nME both offer this. So
does Ancestry.com

I'm working on Flores families that emigrated to New Zealand and Australia,
and this may be the only way to make the connection

A fellow researcher has gone to Flores and taken many DNA samples from
local families


Eric Edgar

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> My Great, Great Grandfather was Joseph Dix ( Diaz ) born in 1833 in Flores
> Azores, but I do not know the name of his Mother and Father and would love
> to find out.
> Joseph worked on a whaling ship. He jumped ship and stay on the Chatham
> Islands.
> I would like to know the name of the ship he worked on and also find out
> the names of his parents.
> Can anyone help me.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Births of Merced County CA 1873-1912

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Mary,

I've seen the Evangelho family on the 1910 census and she is not in that
household.

Eric

On Sat, Nov 5, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Mary Pimentel Wheeler <pimwh...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> HI Eric - I'm thinking the Louise Souza living with Luiza D Souza in the
> 1910 Census is not the right person.   My grandmother would have been named
> Louise Evangelho, not Souza. Also, my grandmother's mother (my mystery
> Maria/Mary) died when she was 2, and her father returned to the Azores to
> remarry (and never return).  He left Louise in the care of the Evangelho
> family (his relatives) who lived in either Madera or Fresno county at the
> time - 1904ish - and they raised her.  I don't recall any stories of
> Maria's parents being alive or living in California; so I'm thinking the
> one in the census is just a coincidental name.  At least that's my theory
> for now!
>
> On Sunday, October 30, 2016 at 11:50:50 PM UTC-7, luiznoia wrote:
>>
>> Mary Pimentel Wheeler,
>>
>> Here's the marriage record from Madera County for Jacinto P Evangelho and
>> Mary C Souza
>>
>>
>> Eric Edgar
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 30, 2016 at 10:31 PM, luiznoia . <nobla...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Mary,
>>> Here's your mystery woman on the Madera  County death register and her
>>> obit from the Madera Mercurey
>>>
>>> The inconsistencies are that the death register shows she is American
>>> born, but Louise's later censuses show her mother is Portuguese born.
>>>
>>> I'm almost certain that the 1910 census shows her living with her
>>> grandmother, Luiza D Souza in Fresno. I'll be taking a look at her next
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Eric Edgar
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 7:51 PM, Mary Pimentel Wheeler <
>>> pimw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Rosemary...I'm curious if you can find info on a male baby born to
>>>> Jacintho Evangelho and his wife Mary/Maria Carolina (Sousa).  Maria died
>>>> the day he was born, and he died at only 4 months old from "convulsions".
>>>>  He was born 16 Nov 1903 in Coarsegold Ca.  He is buried in Arbor Vitae
>>>> cemetery in Madera, and his given name was not listed - it just said Infant
>>>> Evangelho, male.  Maria is my mystery woman, I only know she was a Sousa,
>>>> had a brother Henry (I have lots of info on him and his descendants)And
>>>> that she was either born in Boston or Pico, not much help there!My
>>>> brick wall is her parents, I cannot find reference to them anywhere.  One
>>>> of Henry's documents listed his mother's surname as Costa. Maria and
>>>> Jacintho are my great grandparents, and they also had a female child - my
>>>> grandmother.  Her name was Louise Evangelho, born 5 July 1901, also in
>>>> Corsegold.  In any case, If you find any info on the infant or clubs to the
>>>> grandparents,  I would appreciate it.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Births of Merced County CA 1873-1912

[luiznoia .]

I have searched all the Mass. birth and marriage records there and at
Familysearch.
No suspects there.

Eric Edgar

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wrote:

*Have you tried searching the Massachusetts vital records which are on
line. http://www.sec.state.ma.us/arc/arcsrch/SearchWelcome.html
<http://www.sec.state.ma.us/arc/arcsrch/SearchWelcome.html> they cover the
years 1841-1910 It has been a while since I used the site but I found it
helpful. And was able to get copies of birth records for a nominal fee.*





*Rick*



*Richard Francis Pimentel*

*Epping, NH*



*Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and
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*Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Births of Merced County CA 1873-1912



Her brother Henry showed Boston as his birthplace , but that can't be found
either.



On Nov 1, 2016 10:28 AM, "Mary Pimentel Wheeler" <pimwh...@gmail.com> wrote:

Thank you Eric, for this and your other message.  This is certainly more
validation to add to her history, and I thank you for the research!  Now if
I can just figure out who her parents were and where she was born I might
be able to fill in her branch of my tree.   They are my brick wall.  Family
lore is that Maria  was born in Boston, but I've not been able to find any
record of her birth there.  Thanks again for your help!

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Births of Merced County CA 1873-1912

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Her brother Henry showed Boston as his birthplace , but that can't be found
either.

On Nov 1, 2016 10:28 AM, "Mary Pimentel Wheeler"  wrote:

> Thank you Eric, for this and your other message.  This is certainly more
> validation to add to her history, and I thank you for the research!  Now if
> I can just figure out who her parents were and where she was born I might
> be able to fill in her branch of my tree.   They are my brick wall.  Family
> lore is that Maria  was born in Boston, but I've not been able to find any
> record of her birth there.  Thanks again for your help!
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Births of Merced County CA 1873-1912

[luiznoia .]

I have the Merced County early Naturalizations book for look ups

Also the Winton Cemetery book. I believe that Find a Grave has that listed
now.

Eric Edgar

On Oct 27, 2016 8:44 AM, "carabela via Azores Genealogy" <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> No rush Rosemarie! Thank you so much! I appreciate you looking when you
> get a chance.Take care!
> Sherry
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Rosemarie Capodicci 
> To: azores 
> Sent: Thu, Oct 27, 2016 8:41 am
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Births of Merced County CA 1873-1912
>
> Dear Linda and Sherry,
>
> I'm off to do my volunteer work today so won't be able to check until
> tonight! Will do though. Linda, which is the husband and which is the
> wife?? Resendes husband and Trinidade wife??
>
>
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
> On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 8:26 AM, linda  wrote:
>
>> Hi Rosemarie,
>>
>> When you have a chance, could you check the book for
>>
>> Resendes and Trindade
>>
>> There likely will be a few, and all (or almost all), my relatives. If
>> there are lots, I can make arrangements to come down to do the copying.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Linda
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Births of Merced County CA 1873-1912

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I have those very people in my files. Mamie Vincent sent my family some
postcards around 1918. I have a photo I think is her. Her father was
married three times so there is a large tree . The family is Vicente
Ambrosio from Cedros , Flores.

Eric Edgar.

On Oct 25, 2016 4:37 PM, "Rosemarie Capodicci"  wrote:

> Our FHC is getting rid of several books, one of which is Births of Merced
> Cnty CA 1873--1912. There are many Portuguese names listed. I would be
> happy to check for you (there is a nice index in the back) Listed is
> child's name, date of birth, father, mother (maiden name) and birthplace of
> parent. Example:
>
> Book 3, page 166
> F, ch: Almeida, Mary Madaline
> bd: 11 Oct 1910
> bp: nr Gustine
> bm: 2, liv 2
> fa: Almeida, John age 32 bt Por
> ad: Merced oc Dairman
> mo: Vincent, Mamie age 23 bp CA
>
> So, as you can see much more info that on the CA Birth Index.
>
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Lost husbands

[luiznoia .]

The old Portuguese Newspapers in the UMASS collection have many ads placed
looking for imformation on missing family members. Indigacao , I think is
the heading

Eric Edgar

On Oct 25, 2016 10:06 AM, "Maria Sousa"  wrote:

> I had a maternal great-uncle that left Portugal for a better life in the
> United States.   After a few years, he returned to Portugal to get his wife
> and children and bring them to the United States.  The wife didn't want to
> leave Portugal.  He told her he was not staying in Portugal and would leave
> with or without her.  He left without her and the children.   He married in
> the United States to a widowed Polish woman and had many years together.
> Never had children in the U.S.   Died in the 1970s in New Jersey.
>
> I would assume there were wives (women) that didn't want to leave their
> families behind.
>
> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 4:10 AM, Philippe GARNIER <
> philippegarnier...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I saw some records wera the man was said “died on the sea”.
>>
>> To anothers, it seems exist a law with a definition on the time of the
>> disapearence. I see a old paper with a sentence like that.
>>
>>
>>
>> I saw too a lot of batism with this expression : “son of Maria wife of
>> Manoel absent”.
>>
>>
>>
>> To the difficulties of this wives, il’s important to know that, on this
>> time, the family solidarity was very strong (different of our time).
>>
>>
>>
>> Philippe Garnier
>>
>> Paris - France
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Finder My Origins Question - Azores & Finland/Northen Siberia

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I also have Finnish/Siberan in small percentages in my Azorean family line.

Eric Edgar

On Sep 20, 2016 3:45 PM, "Marilyn Thompson"  wrote:

> William Vander Haegen was supposed to be Flemish. He was the one who
> brought cheese making to the islands. He changed his name to Guillermo da
> Silveiria. He is said to be buried in the Church in Topo, Sao Jorge.
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>> Yes, many Azores people show the Finnish/Northern Sibeiran. It's not
>> unusual. But as to why...I'll have to do some digging to find out.
>>
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>> Tainhas, Achada
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>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 10:50 AM, MaryAnn Santos  wrote:
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>>> Yes, both my sister and I have 3% Finnish - both are parents are
>>> Portuguese - my mother's family is from São Miguel, Açores going back to
>>> late 1500s maybe earlier and my father's family is from mainland Portugal,
>>> Moimenta da Beira. Our mtDNA Haplogroup U5a1c.
>>>
>>> MaryAnn
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>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 1:29 PM, Kawika322 
>>> wrote:
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 I was looking at my Uncle's Family Finder My Origins results map and
 was curious about how he has 4% from Finland and Northern Siberia. I am not
 sure where that would have come from. He is Portuguese on both sides
 (Azores on one half and Madeira on other). Obviously there were Azorean
 settlers who originally came from all over Europe, such as Italy, Germany,
 Flanders (Silveira), Spain, so I imagine that someone could have come from
 that far north in Finland/Northern Sibeiria and their descendants
 eventually made it to the Azores.

 Does anyone else or their family have Finland/Northern Siberian results
 from Azorean ancestry? I do have a few pai incongnitos in the records from
 the Azores, so it could come from that as well.

 Any ideas or thoughts or ideas would be helpful.

 Thanks,

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rare-origin genes in the Azores -- legacies of the Portuguese empire?

[luiznoia .]

My gedmatch results for myself, and known relatives of Azorean origin show
East Asian, South Asian, and Oceanian  in small amounts that are consistant
on the same chromosomes.

Eric Edgar

On Sep 19, 2016 9:04 AM, "David"  wrote:

Having recently tested with FTDNA (only myself; I finally had to give up on
convincing my parents to test) and also uploaded my results to GEDmatch,
two unexpected gene sources pop up in several of my GEDmatch analyses,
neither of which seems likely to have come via my 0% Portuguese father but
both of which easily make historical sense as coming via my 100% (?)
Azorean mother:

1.  South American Amerind.  Presumably, this line most likely originated
in Brazil and got passed along via caboclo/mestiço descendants who either
moved to the Azores or passed through (merchant? sailor?  other sort of
traveler?) and left some DNA behind.

Interestingly, a Brazilian man who lives near me in South Florida and whose
surname is the same as that of an ancestor of mine whose father was a pai
incógnito has been identified by FTDNA as a likely 2nd-4th cousin, and in
our correspondence so far has noted that there is reputedly indigenous
ancestry in that line, and that that is consistent with his own small
amount of indigenous ancestry that tests show.  I'm hoping to find out
whether anyone in that line of his ever traved outside of Brazil... At this
point, I have to think that it's entirely possible that our relationship is
the result not of an Azorean who brought genes to Brazil but of a Brazilian
who brought genes to the Azores.

And regardless of whether his line is actually the source of my (apparent)
South American Amerind genes, I got those genes from *somewhere*, so they
got to the Azores *somehow*.

2.  Melanesian and Austronesian (i.e., "Malayo-Polynesian").  These results
appear separately, but the simplest explanation for how these genes arrived
to help create me suggests that they go together.

In other words, where the Melanesian and Austronesian worlds meet and
overlap, there are a number of islands where the inhabitants are of mixed
Melanesian and Austronesian ancestry -- and by the way, these also happen
to be the very places where there was an early Portuguese trade presence,
and then Portuguese imperial and military presence, and where a significant
mestiço population quickly arose from unions between local women and
Portuguese men:  the Moluccas islands (a.k.a. Maluku), the island of Flores
(not the Azorean one, the one now in eastern Indonesia), and the island of
Timor (now split between Indonesia and Timor-Leste).

Presumably, a member of the mestiço population of one of these islands
either moved to or traveled through the Azores, or else to Portugal or
another location in the Portuguese world, leaving descendants, one of whom
ultimately moved to the Azores, or passed through, and left some of their
DNA behind.

So, I know that this group has frequently discussed Portuguese and other
specific European descents in the Azores; Sub-Saharan African contributions
to the Azorean gene pool (and in Portugal before descendants moved to the
Azores), whether through enslaved people or otherwise; Jewish descents via
Sephardic and converso lines; and even Arab and Berber genetic
contributions to the Portuguese and so the Azorean gene pools.

I may not have been paying sufficient attention, but I can't recall having
seen yet any similar discussions here of lines in the Azores that likely
reflect rare gene flows from other parts of the world and other peoples of
the world, in particular from the various mestiço peoples that formed in
these other places that were parts of the Portuguese Empire.  My personal
examples are, as far as the data seem to say, apparently only from
(indigenous) Brazil and from Timor/Flores/Moluccas, but similar gene flows
might also plausibly have occurred from Macau/China, from Goa and other
parts of Portuguese India, and maybe from some other places that haven't
yet occurred to me.

Have others of you received GEDmatch or other analyses that indicate
possible descent from any of these peoples?  It would be interesting to
hear from others who have, and possibly to explore setting up a database to
track these lines together (including gathering together any records that
might document the origins of these lines, e.g., documentation of people
known or likely to be from these peoples who were present in or passed
through the Azores).

On the one hand, I suspect that these lines are rare, but still present to
some degree, and on the other hand I believe they could -- precisely
because of their rarity -- provide an interesting tool to tie together some
families, all of whom would stand out from the "haystack" if they not only
test as being related but also share a specific rare-origin line within the
larger Azorean gene pool.  Plus, it would be quite interesting (even if
unlikely) to be able to know the actual line of descent back to these

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] A 20 yr old marries a 57 yr old?

[luiznoia .]

That is what the record says. This is seen fairly often, for a number of
reasons. Needing someone to care for children after their mother dies
produces some interesting matches.
There don't seem to be any children involved here, so perhaps Maria was a
land owner, then marrying would be a step up for the young man.

Eric.

On Aug 23, 2016 12:37 PM, "Sandra Perez"  wrote:

> Am I reading this correctly?  Manoel  Jose Cabral 20 years old marries
> Maria de
> S. Pedro 57 years old.
>
> Bottom left.
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> LG-AGUADEPAU-C-1870-1879/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-C-1870-1879_item1/P103.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] St. Stephen's Cemetery list, Concord, CA

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Yes, it is on FindAGrave.

Eric Edgar
On Jun 21, 2016 3:08 PM, "Cheri Mello"  wrote:

> Repost for Carrie, cgreen at jeffersonesd.org
>  Is the St. Stephen's cemetery list still available?  My grandfather, last
> name Angella (sometimes spelled Angela) is buried there, but has not
> marker.
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> Thank you so much for your time and efforts!
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] bakery in SF bay area

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Many of the wineries in Amador County have taken to Portuguese varieties.
Best wines I had at their festival were Verdelho, Saozinho and Touriga
Nacional,

Eric Edgar
On Jun 14, 2016 9:13 AM, "themom8682 via Azores Genealogy" <
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> Thank you for the suggestions.  Didn't think to ask Rosemarie if there was
> a place near Monterey/Seaside.  And I had no idea there was a Portuguese
> winery in Acampo which is about 15 minutes from my house!  I will
> definitely be going there for some wine and cheese tasting!  Yum.
>
>
> -Original Message-
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> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] bakery in SF bay area
>
> Off topic, but quite awhile back there was a lot of talk on the list about
> bakeries in the valley.  Well, I have been tasked with getting desserts for
> a party and I am looking for a recommendation of the best place in the SF
> bay area.  Plan to call and place an order so I can pick up as I drive from
> Sacramento to Monterey.  Thinking natas, dona amelias, quiejadas possibly.
> Suggestions please...
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] bakery in SF bay area

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Silva's Bakery- Hayward

Trade Rite Market/Bacalhau Grill-San Jose.
On Jun 13, 2016 6:33 PM, "Liz Migliori"  wrote:

> The absolute best wine. St Jorge winery.
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> me know. I make this trip all the time. Great Portuguese  winery in Acampo.
> Sometimes they have St. Jorge cheese. Yummy.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Margin Notations in Cedros Death Records

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Cedros, Faial, or Cedros, Flores ?

Eric Edgar.
On Jun 8, 2016 11:54 AM, "Diane George"  wrote:

> I have been going through Cedros death records in the late 1600s and early
> 1700s and almost all of the records have a note in the margin under the
> name of the deceased. Most are “Rua” with nothing else, which is “street.”
> I also find “vale verde” which I think is “green valley” and “ribeira
> funda” which may be “deep river.” There are others, but I can’t read or
> translate most of them. Anyone have any idea what these are?
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] passport for David Benarus Seriqui (translation, please).

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Which link ? Hers or mine?

The Madeira Archive site is often unaccessable.

Eric Edgar.
On Jun 2, 2016 11:13 AM, "Cheri Mello"  wrote:

> That link does not work. Madeira is not one of the Azores. It's a separate
> autonomous region, comprised of 2 islands (Madeira and Porto Santo).
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Three cousins from the Azores, but none match on the family trees

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If the cousins descend from  incognito births or expostos, then you can't
track them geneaologicaly



Eric Edgar

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> Many times the records do not exist to connect us to the mainland. I think
> I got only 2 of my lines out of the Azores. I suspect that many could only
> get a few lines out.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Jose Pimentel, B Jan 2 1813, Ribeira Do Barqueiro Flores

[luiznoia .]

Mary,

Here is the Lomba obito for, Maria da Trindae, the wife of Jose Pimentel
Queiro

http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-LF-LOMBA-O-1876-1890/FLR-LF-LOMBA-O-1876-1890_item1/P80.html

This may  help to get a positive identification on your mystery man by her
parents.




On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 1:30 PM, Mary Pimentel Wheeler 
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> Hi friends - I found an article about Jose Pimentel on another board, but
> it may be a clue to something I've been trying to sort out.  I have a
> mysterious "Sebastiao Jose Queiro Pimentel" (b ~1813, d 1892 Lomba, Flores)
> in my tree, but have not found his birth or many others with the name
> Quiero.  I do know he died 1892 in Lomba, I have that Obito.  Now I'm
> wondering if he is somehow related to a Pimentel from Ribeira Do Bar
> *queiro*, and that how Queiro became part of his name?  Just a thought.
> I had not previously searched the Frequesia of Santa Cruz believing my
> Sebastiao came from the southern part of the island.
>
> So the article lead me to Jose Pimentel, born 1813 in Ribeira Do
> Barqueiro, Flores, and I "think" I've found his baptismo.  Could someone
> help me with the translation - it's one of those "hard to read" ones
> (ugh).  I'm not even sure I am in the right year on this one...
>
> It's the 4th one down on the left page:
>
>
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1826-1841/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1826-1841_item1/P123.html
>
> I see:
>
> Jose, son of Jose Manuel Pimentel ? and Maria ?
>
> (are they from this frequesia or somewhere else?)
>
> Paternos Antonio Jose Pimentel B?? and Maria ? Furtado?
>
> Maternos  ??? and Maria Freitas?
>
> Padrinho Jose ?? and his wife Antonia Jose e Maria ??
>
> Born..at this point I see a lot of numbers written out but can't make them
> out, so I'm not sure what it is saying.
>
>
> Thanks for any help you have time to give.
>
>
> Mary
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Jose Pimentel, B Jan 2 1813, Ribeira Do Barqueiro Flores

[luiznoia .]

Mary,

This is the marriage of this Jose's parents

 from Santa Cruz.

José Tomás Pimentel [f.º de António José Pimentel Batacão e de Mariana
Furtado]
c. 1832.01.23
c. Rosa Maria [f.ª de pai incógnito e de Ana de Freitas Lajedo, mulher de
António de Freitas Podrigão, ausente].



Eric Edgar




On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 2:48 PM, linda  wrote:

>
> Hi Mary,
>
> That's a difficult record, but this is what I think I see:
>
> Joze filho de Joze Ma[noel?] Pimentel Canellas e sua m.er Ro.a Maria
> P..
> n.es freguezes desta Matriz de N. Snr.a da Conceicao ... Villa e
> ... ilha das
> Flores neta pela parte paterna de Antonio Joze Pimentel Botacao ed ... Mar.
> [ianna?] Furtado e pela materno de  [Pai?] incognito e de Anna de brita..
> Leg..
> da, nasceo emos Vinte tres dias do mez de [Fevereiro?].. de mil oito
> centos
> trinta e Sinco ; e foi baptizado por mim OuVidor e Vig.ro
> . abai
> cho [asigna?]do  emos Vinte quatro dias dad.o mez, e anno. Foi Padrinho
> Joze
> ... dos Reis  testemunhos Antonio Jose e Manoel
> F  que
> para constar fiz este termo era et supra
>
> Canellas and Botacao aren't names I'm familiar with, so there's a good
> chance I'm transcribing them incorrectly.  I saw "Anna de brita", but I
> looked again after rereading your note, and think you're right that the
> name is "Freitas"
>
> hope this helps,
>
> Linda
>
> On Friday, April 15, 2016 at 1:30:08 PM UTC-7, Mary Pimentel Wheeler wrote:
>>
>> Hi friends - I found an article about Jose Pimentel on another board, but
>> it may be a clue to something I've been trying to sort out.  I have a
>> mysterious "Sebastiao Jose Queiro Pimentel" (b ~1813, d 1892 Lomba, Flores)
>> in my tree, but have not found his birth or many others with the name
>> Quiero.  I do know he died 1892 in Lomba, I have that Obito.  Now I'm
>> wondering if he is somehow related to a Pimentel from Ribeira Do Bar
>> *queiro*, and that how Queiro became part of his name?  Just a thought.
>> I had not previously searched the Frequesia of Santa Cruz believing my
>> Sebastiao came from the southern part of the island.
>>
>> So the article lead me to Jose Pimentel, born 1813 in Ribeira Do
>> Barqueiro, Flores, and I "think" I've found his baptismo.  Could someone
>> help me with the translation - it's one of those "hard to read" ones
>> (ugh).  I'm not even sure I am in the right year on this one...
>>
>> It's the 4th one down on the left page:
>>
>>
>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1826-1841/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1826-1841_item1/P123.html
>>
>> I see:
>>
>> Jose, son of Jose Manuel Pimentel ? and Maria ?
>>
>> (are they from this frequesia or somewhere else?)
>>
>> Paternos Antonio Jose Pimentel B?? and Maria ? Furtado?
>>
>> Maternos  ??? and Maria Freitas?
>>
>> Padrinho Jose ?? and his wife Antonia Jose e Maria ??
>>
>> Born..at this point I see a lot of numbers written out but can't make
>> them out, so I'm not sure what it is saying.
>>
>>
>> Thanks for any help you have time to give.
>>
>>
>> Mary
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Jose Pimentel, B Jan 2 1813, Ribeira Do Barqueiro Flores

[luiznoia .]

This seems the most likely match for the Sebastiao and Maria da Trindade in
the obito.

Lomba

José Sebastião Pimentel [26 anos, f.º de Sebastião José Pimentel e de
Maria da Trindade do Coração de Jesus] c. 1886.08.19 c. Maria
Gonçalves de Freitas [18 anos, f.ª de João António Gonçalves e de Isabel
da Trindade do Coração de Jesus].





Eric Edgar

On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 12:19 PM, luiznoia . <noblankt...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Mary,
>
>  I have found researching Flores over the last twenty years that the
> surnames are not always recorded the same way on all documents. The alcunha
> part ( Queiro, Batacao, etc) is often left off some records.
>
> The parents are sometimes recorded wrong also. Not surprising 70 or 80
> years later , often in a a different town.
>
> I looked at the obit record you referenced.
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-LF-LOMBA-O-1891-1900/FLR-LF-LOMBA-O-1891-1900_item1/P21.html
>
> 26 Sep 1892  Lomba
>
> Sebastiao Pimentel 79 yrs
>
> widower of Maria da Trindade
>
> legitimate son of Jose Pimentel Queiro and  Sebastiana de Jesus
>
>
> Looking through the Flores marriage book, I can not find any marriage for
> those parents or for Sebastiao Pimentel and Maria da Trindade.
>
> The place they reference is Ribeira dos Barqueiros, part of the parish of
> the town of Santa Cruz
>
>
>
> Eric Edgar
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 1:30 PM, Mary Pimentel Wheeler <pimwh...@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Hi friends - I found an article about Jose Pimentel on another board, but
>> it may be a clue to something I've been trying to sort out.  I have a
>> mysterious "Sebastiao Jose Queiro Pimentel" (b ~1813, d 1892 Lomba, Flores)
>> in my tree, but have not found his birth or many others with the name
>> Quiero.  I do know he died 1892 in Lomba, I have that Obito.  Now I'm
>> wondering if he is somehow related to a Pimentel from Ribeira Do Bar
>> *queiro*, and that how Queiro became part of his name?  Just a thought.
>> I had not previously searched the Frequesia of Santa Cruz believing my
>> Sebastiao came from the southern part of the island.
>>
>> So the article lead me to Jose Pimentel, born 1813 in Ribeira Do
>> Barqueiro, Flores, and I "think" I've found his baptismo.  Could someone
>> help me with the translation - it's one of those "hard to read" ones
>> (ugh).  I'm not even sure I am in the right year on this one...
>>
>> It's the 4th one down on the left page:
>>
>>
>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1826-1841/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1826-1841_item1/P123.html
>>
>> I see:
>>
>> Jose, son of Jose Manuel Pimentel ? and Maria ?
>>
>> (are they from this frequesia or somewhere else?)
>>
>> Paternos Antonio Jose Pimentel B?? and Maria ? Furtado?
>>
>> Maternos  ??? and Maria Freitas?
>>
>> Padrinho Jose ?? and his wife Antonia Jose e Maria ??
>>
>> Born..at this point I see a lot of numbers written out but can't make
>> them out, so I'm not sure what it is saying.
>>
>>
>> Thanks for any help you have time to give.
>>
>>
>> Mary
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Jose Pimentel, B Jan 2 1813, Ribeira Do Barqueiro Flores

[luiznoia .]

Mary,

 I have found researching Flores over the last twenty years that the
surnames are not always recorded the same way on all documents. The alcunha
part ( Queiro, Batacao, etc) is often left off some records.

The parents are sometimes recorded wrong also. Not surprising 70 or 80
years later , often in a a different town.

I looked at the obit record you referenced.
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-LF-LOMBA-O-1891-1900/FLR-LF-LOMBA-O-1891-1900_item1/P21.html

26 Sep 1892  Lomba

Sebastiao Pimentel 79 yrs

widower of Maria da Trindade

legitimate son of Jose Pimentel Queiro and  Sebastiana de Jesus


Looking through the Flores marriage book, I can not find any marriage for
those parents or for Sebastiao Pimentel and Maria da Trindade.

The place they reference is Ribeira dos Barqueiros, part of the parish of
the town of Santa Cruz



Eric Edgar



On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 1:30 PM, Mary Pimentel Wheeler 
wrote:

> Hi friends - I found an article about Jose Pimentel on another board, but
> it may be a clue to something I've been trying to sort out.  I have a
> mysterious "Sebastiao Jose Queiro Pimentel" (b ~1813, d 1892 Lomba, Flores)
> in my tree, but have not found his birth or many others with the name
> Quiero.  I do know he died 1892 in Lomba, I have that Obito.  Now I'm
> wondering if he is somehow related to a Pimentel from Ribeira Do Bar
> *queiro*, and that how Queiro became part of his name?  Just a thought.
> I had not previously searched the Frequesia of Santa Cruz believing my
> Sebastiao came from the southern part of the island.
>
> So the article lead me to Jose Pimentel, born 1813 in Ribeira Do
> Barqueiro, Flores, and I "think" I've found his baptismo.  Could someone
> help me with the translation - it's one of those "hard to read" ones
> (ugh).  I'm not even sure I am in the right year on this one...
>
> It's the 4th one down on the left page:
>
>
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1826-1841/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1826-1841_item1/P123.html
>
> I see:
>
> Jose, son of Jose Manuel Pimentel ? and Maria ?
>
> (are they from this frequesia or somewhere else?)
>
> Paternos Antonio Jose Pimentel B?? and Maria ? Furtado?
>
> Maternos  ??? and Maria Freitas?
>
> Padrinho Jose ?? and his wife Antonia Jose e Maria ??
>
> Born..at this point I see a lot of numbers written out but can't make them
> out, so I'm not sure what it is saying.
>
>
> Thanks for any help you have time to give.
>
>
> Mary
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Jose Pimentel, B Jan 2 1813, Ribeira Do Barqueiro Flores

[luiznoia .]

Querio is seen in Flores in combination with Coelho and Pimentel, Rodrigues
and Valadao

Batacão is seen across the island. Here it is referencing the paternos in
the baptism:

António José Pimentel [f.º de António José Pimentel Batacão e de
Mariana Furtado] c. 1813.10.10 c. Maria Úrsula [f.ª de Francisco
António Pedreiro e de Ana Úrsula].


What you list as Canellas is Cancela . The only time it appears in the
Flores e Corvo marriage book is here:

Santa Cruz
Lourenço José Miguel [f.º de Manuel José Miguel Cancela e de Maria
de Jesus] c. 1843.06.17 c. Francisca Laureana de Jesus [n. Cedros, Santa
Cruz das Flores, f.ª de Inácio Vicente de Mendonça e de Maria de
Jesus].


Eric Edgar








On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 2:48 PM, linda  wrote:

>
> Hi Mary,
>
> That's a difficult record, but this is what I think I see:
>
> Joze filho de Joze Ma[noel?] Pimentel Canellas e sua m.er Ro.a Maria
> P..
> n.es freguezes desta Matriz de N. Snr.a da Conceicao ... Villa e
> ... ilha das
> Flores neta pela parte paterna de Antonio Joze Pimentel Botacao ed ... Mar.
> [ianna?] Furtado e pela materno de  [Pai?] incognito e de Anna de brita..
> Leg..
> da, nasceo emos Vinte tres dias do mez de [Fevereiro?].. de mil oito
> centos
> trinta e Sinco ; e foi baptizado por mim OuVidor e Vig.ro
> . abai
> cho [asigna?]do  emos Vinte quatro dias dad.o mez, e anno. Foi Padrinho
> Joze
> ... dos Reis  testemunhos Antonio Jose e Manoel
> F  que
> para constar fiz este termo era et supra
>
> Canellas and Botacao aren't names I'm familiar with, so there's a good
> chance I'm transcribing them incorrectly.  I saw "Anna de brita", but I
> looked again after rereading your note, and think you're right that the
> name is "Freitas"
>
> hope this helps,
>
> Linda
>
> On Friday, April 15, 2016 at 1:30:08 PM UTC-7, Mary Pimentel Wheeler wrote:
>>
>> Hi friends - I found an article about Jose Pimentel on another board, but
>> it may be a clue to something I've been trying to sort out.  I have a
>> mysterious "Sebastiao Jose Queiro Pimentel" (b ~1813, d 1892 Lomba, Flores)
>> in my tree, but have not found his birth or many others with the name
>> Quiero.  I do know he died 1892 in Lomba, I have that Obito.  Now I'm
>> wondering if he is somehow related to a Pimentel from Ribeira Do Bar
>> *queiro*, and that how Queiro became part of his name?  Just a thought.
>> I had not previously searched the Frequesia of Santa Cruz believing my
>> Sebastiao came from the southern part of the island.
>>
>> So the article lead me to Jose Pimentel, born 1813 in Ribeira Do
>> Barqueiro, Flores, and I "think" I've found his baptismo.  Could someone
>> help me with the translation - it's one of those "hard to read" ones
>> (ugh).  I'm not even sure I am in the right year on this one...
>>
>> It's the 4th one down on the left page:
>>
>>
>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1826-1841/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1826-1841_item1/P123.html
>>
>> I see:
>>
>> Jose, son of Jose Manuel Pimentel ? and Maria ?
>>
>> (are they from this frequesia or somewhere else?)
>>
>> Paternos Antonio Jose Pimentel B?? and Maria ? Furtado?
>>
>> Maternos  ??? and Maria Freitas?
>>
>> Padrinho Jose ?? and his wife Antonia Jose e Maria ??
>>
>> Born..at this point I see a lot of numbers written out but can't make
>> them out, so I'm not sure what it is saying.
>>
>>
>> Thanks for any help you have time to give.
>>
>>
>> Mary
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: joao and maria corriea???

[luiznoia .]

The ship they sailed on, the Swanley, picked them up 20 Oct 1909 at Ponta
Delgada. It lists all of the family as born in Ponta Garca

There is no 1909 Ponta Delgada passport available.

Have fun slogging through the baptisms


Eric Edgar

On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 9:01 PM, linda  wrote:

>
> I stand corrected, "Ponta Garca" :)
>
> Hey, Jennifer, do you know your Great grandmother's birthday (month &
> day)-- or even any of her sibs?  If so, you could go through village by
> village, checking the date in each one.  It's a brute force method, but it
> might work.
>
> Linda
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 29, 2016 at 8:53:48 PM UTC-7, linda wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi Jennifer,
>>
>> I believe the name on the manifest is "Maria Apolinia da Garca".
>> Apolinia is a given name, not a surname.
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 29, 2016 at 8:40:28 PM UTC-7, Jennifer w. wrote:
>>>
>>> would anyone out there happen to have any information on the corriea
>>> family from sao miguel?? my great grandmother was born there and i have
>>> been unable to find information on their family prior to coming to the us.
>>> any help and or direction would be greatly appreciated, i have been at a
>>> stand still for a while now and i am beginning to lose hope...lol. here is
>>> the vitals on my family that i have so far, some of the birth years are
>>> estimates but they are very close. thank you very much for any information
>>> you might have that can point me in the right direction.
>>>
>>> joao corriea
>>> maria p. corriea
>>>
>>> their children:
>>> manuel corriea  b. 1895
>>> maria r.corriea  b. 1904
>>> georgina corriea (my great grandmother)...b.1906
>>> joao corriea b 1909
>>>
>>> according to georginas death records her mothers maiden name is benza,
>>> however, on the ship manifest when they left portugal, it states they were
>>> living with a mother in law, not sure who's it was, but the name is not
>>> benza, in fact i am having a hard time even making the name out...maybe
>>> someone can help with that...lol. ill attatch it here just in case someone
>>> might recognize it.  it looks like alholinia, but im not sure and i have
>>> never seen that name before.
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help verify names on this marriage record, please.

[luiznoia .]

Manuel Caetano [f.º de Tomé Garcia e de Catarina Rodrigues]

1772.05.04

 c. Maria Úrsula [n. Fajãzinha, Lajes das Flores, f.ª de pai incógnito e de
Antónia Maria].

On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 6:01 PM, 'Lillian Palko' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Thank you very much!  I'm glad you saw the Fajazinha since this is the
> first time I've seen that location.
>
>
> On Monday, March 21, 2016 at 3:27:06 PM UTC-7, bsei...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> I believe you have all the names correct.  The date is 4 May 1772.  Part
>>> of the "blah, blah" says they are were born in Fajazinha.
>>>
>>
>> Bill Seidler
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Henriques family

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>From the Shasta County Genealogical Society page-Cemetery records
 http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cascogs/
<http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cascogs/>

Henriques,Maria Jose (Joseph) 9/22/1861 12/5/1914 b-Flores,Azores.Wife of
Frank Sr   Lot23Blk3


>From Santa Cruz das Flores baptisms:

http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1861-1865/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1861-1865_item1/P26.html


Maria , born 22 Sep 1861 , to Francisco Jose Bastiana and Maria Margarida
of this parish

On the 1910 census for Anderson, Shasta, CA there is an Antone J Bastana
next door. I'm sure it's Maria's brother.


Eric Edgar

On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 9:36 AM, luiznoia . <noblankt...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Here is the record from the marriage book for the parents of the Francisco
> in the baptism record:
>
> from* Paróquia de Nossa Senhora do Rosário LAJES DAS FLORES*
>
> José Rodrigues Henriques [n. Fajãs, Lajes das Flores,
>  f.º de João Rodrigues Henriques e de Teresa de Jesus]
> c. 1840.05.19
> . Maria de Jesus [f.ª de António Furtado Trigueiro e de Maria de Jesus, e
> já v.ª de
> João Furtado de Sousa].
>
>
>
> *José Rodrigues Henriques native of Fajas, Lajes das Flores*
>
> *son of  João Rodrigues Henriques and of Teresa de Jesus*
>
> *married on 19 May 1840 to*
>
>
> * Maria de Jesus. daughter of António Furtado Trigueiro and of Maria de
> Jesus, *
>
> *and the widow of João Furtado de Sousa*
>
> When looking at the previous marriage for Maria de Jesus:
>
> João Furtado de Sousa [f.º de Manuel Caetano de Almeida e de Maria
> de Jesus] c. 1828.04.20 c. Maria de Jesus [f.ª de António Furtado
> Trigueiro e de Maria de Jesus].
>
>
> it may seem a stretch to be married first in 1828, and have a child in
> 1854, but if she was married at 16 , she'd be 42 when when Francisco was
> born.
>
>
> Eric Edgar
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 8:29 AM, luiznoia . <noblankt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Linda,
>>
>> The ebook version of the marriage book can be searched with multiple
>> terms.
>> "Rodrigues Henriques " wll turn a few dozen.  I look at it again today.
>>
>> Eric Edgar
>> On Mar 9, 2016 12:11 AM, "linda" <menesesli...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> How about searching the Kindle version of the Flores Marriage records?
>>>
>>> It's very late here, so I'll pick it up again tomorrow, but really need
>>> to turn in now.  I've found one record that almost works:
>>>
>>> Francisco Rodrigues Henriques [23 years old, son of  Jose Rodrigues
>>> Henriques e de Lucinda Alves de Jesus]  m. 1895.10.26. to Maria Jose de
>>> Avelar Henriques [14 years, daughter of Jose Rodriques de Avelar and Maria
>>> Jose de Avelar]
>>>
>>> the date doesn't work, though.  I don't have much experience with this
>>> resource, and for some reason, I seem to get only 100 matches max for any
>>> search I try.  I know there are more than 100 "Franciscos" in the book, so
>>> I need to figure out how to effectively search the entire document.
>>>
>>> till later,
>>>
>>> Linda
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 8, 2016 at 8:12:37 PM UTC-8, c.dam...@verizon.net
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I am new to this site. Trying to do research for my husband.
>>>> This is what I know...
>>>> Frank Roger Henriques born 3/25/185(2) or(5) Flores Azores died CA
>>>> 5/13/1946
>>>> mother's maiden name Alameda
>>>> immigrated to USA 1872
>>>>
>>>> married Maria Jose (Joseph) born 9/22/1861 Flores, Azores died CA
>>>> 12/5/1914
>>>>
>>>> There does not seem to be much information about Frank Rogers Henriques
>>>> while in the Azores.
>>>> Could you direct me in how to continue research?
>>>> Thank You
>>>> Carol
>>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Henriques family

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Linda,

The ebook version of the marriage book can be searched with multiple terms.
"Rodrigues Henriques " wll turn a few dozen.  I look at it again today.

Eric Edgar
On Mar 9, 2016 12:11 AM, "linda"  wrote:

> How about searching the Kindle version of the Flores Marriage records?
>
> It's very late here, so I'll pick it up again tomorrow, but really need to
> turn in now.  I've found one record that almost works:
>
> Francisco Rodrigues Henriques [23 years old, son of  Jose Rodrigues
> Henriques e de Lucinda Alves de Jesus]  m. 1895.10.26. to Maria Jose de
> Avelar Henriques [14 years, daughter of Jose Rodriques de Avelar and Maria
> Jose de Avelar]
>
> the date doesn't work, though.  I don't have much experience with this
> resource, and for some reason, I seem to get only 100 matches max for any
> search I try.  I know there are more than 100 "Franciscos" in the book, so
> I need to figure out how to effectively search the entire document.
>
> till later,
>
> Linda
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 8, 2016 at 8:12:37 PM UTC-8, c.dam...@verizon.net wrote:
>>
>> I am new to this site. Trying to do research for my husband.
>> This is what I know...
>> Frank Roger Henriques born 3/25/185(2) or(5) Flores Azores died CA
>> 5/13/1946
>> mother's maiden name Alameda
>> immigrated to USA 1872
>>
>> married Maria Jose (Joseph) born 9/22/1861 Flores, Azores died CA
>> 12/5/1914
>>
>> There does not seem to be much information about Frank Rogers Henriques
>> while in the Azores.
>> Could you direct me in how to continue research?
>> Thank You
>> Carol
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Henriques family

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Here is a link to Lajes, Flores baptisms for Francisco son of Jose
Rodrigues Henriques b. 3-25-1854



http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-LF-LAJESDASFLORES-B-1848-1855/FLR-LF-LAJESDASFLORES-B-1848-1855_item1/P128.html




On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 9:07 PM, George Medeiros 
wrote:

> Carol,
> Do you know where in California he died ?  There are Rogers in Ventura
> County where I live who changed their name from Rodrigues to Rogers who
> were from the Azores but I don't know what part of the Azores.George
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Mar 7, 2016, at 11:01 AM, c.damon...@verizon.net wrote:
>
> I am new to this site. Trying to do research for my husband.
> This is what I know...
> Frank Roger Henriques born 3/25/185(2) or(5) Flores Azores died CA
> 5/13/1946
> mother's maiden name Alameda
> immigrated to USA 1872
>
> married Maria Jose (Joseph) born 9/22/1861 Flores, Azores died CA 12/5/1914
>
> There does not seem to be much information about Frank Rogers Henriques
> while in the Azores.
> Could you direct me in how to continue research?
> Thank You
> Carol
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Henriques family

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I have Henriques and Joseph in my Flores files. I recall that Joseph is
originally  a Damiao surname. There is a family that settled in the
Pleasanton area around 1875.

Alameda is spelled Almeida in Flores.

I'll get back to you with info soon

Eric Edgar
On Mar 8, 2016 8:12 PM,  wrote:

> I am new to this site. Trying to do research for my husband.
> This is what I know...
> Frank Roger Henriques born 3/25/185(2) or(5) Flores Azores died CA
> 5/13/1946
> mother's maiden name Alameda
> immigrated to USA 1872
>
> married Maria Jose (Joseph) born 9/22/1861 Flores, Azores died CA 12/5/1914
>
> There does not seem to be much information about Frank Rogers Henriques
> while in the Azores.
> Could you direct me in how to continue research?
> Thank You
> Carol
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Jewish cemetery and records in Cedros, Santa Cruz das Flores.

[luiznoia .]

I've been researching Cedros, Flores records for over 20 years without
seeing reference to Jewish cemetery.

I have a Flores History book published by
the Lajes museum. I'll take a look for any information .

My family there is Vieira Rodrigues, coming about 1800 from Corvo.

Eric
On Feb 16, 2016 8:37 AM, "Debbie Gurtler"  wrote:

> I have a friend I am helping with her Portuguese ancestry and she is
> asking about Jewish records for the municipality of Cedros, on the isle of
> Flores. Does anyone have any familiarity with non-Catholic records? Do any
> inquisition or convert records exist for those who may have been Jewish and
> converted in order to avoid persecution? Other than possibly DNA is there
> any other ways she might prove or disprove any Jewish lineage?
>
> Through some online searches I have found there is a Jewish cemetery in
> the Horta district. Does anyone have any information about it?
>
> Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.
>
> Debbie
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Meaning of Vapor in record

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Steam. A shipping line. On the passport records there is a column called
Vapor.

Eric Edgar
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> If someone asks for a copy of his baptism record about 22 years after
> birth and it has the word Vapor in it do you think it might be for a trip
> overseas??
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Baptismal Records Florenca and Manuel - Corvo

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There's nothing there to suggest it's the same mother.

The Fraga Nunes surname is rare, only showing up once in Corvo marriage
records in 1849. Even in Flores it's only seen after 1840 a few times




The marriage record for the paternos on Manuel's baptismo

Tomé Lourenço [f.º de Bartolomeu Lourenço e de Catarina Lourenço] c.
1745.01.10 c. Susana de Fraga [f.ª de Manuel de Fraga e de Maria de
Fraga].


Eric Edgar


On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 10:38 AM, Kawika322  wrote:

> There are two baptismal records I would like an opinion on. One is the
> probable record for my direct ancestor Florenca Maria, born 22 Mar 1774 in
> Corvo to a Maria de Fraga Nunes.
>
> Baptismal record for Florenca: Left side, top record;
>
>
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/COR-VC-VILANOVADOCORVO-B-1742-1779/COR-VC-VILANOVADOCORVO-B-1742-1779_item1/P121.html
>
>
> Baptismal record for Manuel: Right side, middle record;
>
>
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/COR-VC-VILANOVADOCORVO-B-1742-1779/COR-VC-VILANOVADOCORVO-B-1742-1779_item1/P139.html
>
> What I would like to know is if this other baptismal record for a Manuel,
> born 14 Dec 1777 in Corvo to a Maria de Fraga is the same mother or a
> different person? In other words, are the Florenca and Manuel siblings? If
> it is the same mother, it would be very helpful, because it gives the
> grandparents names for Manuel unlike in the record for Florenca where it
> does not.
>
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>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Eduardo, born 1879, Flores to Merced, California

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http://interactive.ancestry.com/6482/005240946_01726?pid=20523151=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.com%2f%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3findiv%3d1%26db%3dWW1draft%26h%3d20523151%26tid%3d%26pid%3d%26usePUB%3dtrue%26rhSource%3d6061true


Joseph Edwards

 in the California, Death Index, 1940-1997
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Name:Joseph EdwardsSocial Security #:548039765Gender:MaleBirth Date:11 Aug
1894Birth Place:Other CountryDeath Date:16 Sep 1953Death Place:AlamedaMother's
Maiden Name:GloriaFather's Surname:Edwards

On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 10:34 AM, luiznoia . <noblankt...@gmail.com> wrote:

> This Joseph Edwards, who died in Alameda county in 1953 seems to the the
> 15 years old son  on the 1910 census
>
> Birth: Aug. 10, 1894, PortugalDeath: Sep. 16, 1953
> California, USA
> Husband of Evelyn L Edwards Furtado
>  Burial:
> Calvary Cemetery
> <http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=cr=edwards=joseph=all=1953=in=6=4=n=47825489=7873=all;>
>
> Merced
> Merced County
> California, USA
>
> On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 9:52 AM, luiznoia . <noblankt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I see the 1910 census for East Merced with Mary P Edwards, children
>> Joseph 15 yrs, Tony 10 yrs, all  b. Portugal  and Alameda 3 yrs b
>> California  they arrived in 1905
>>
>> 1920 Maria , son Anthony, daughter Elma
>>
>> 1930- Maria, widowed,son Tony, daughter  Elma, and two grand daughters,
>> and a grandson
>>
>> 1940  Maria, son Tony  and three grandaughters
>>
>>
>>
>> I can find no information for a Tony Edwards with any possible spellings
>> born on 2 Jun 1902
>>
>> Tony Thomas Edwards born 13 July 1903 died in Atwater on 17 Nov 1984-
>> mother's maiden Silveira
>>
>> That points to this family:
>>
>> 1920 census Merced county shows the family of Frank T (Francisco Tomas
>> Eduardo) and Mary F Edwards ( Maria Federico de Ceu)- with a 16 yr old
>> Antone and a 14 yr old Joseph. born Portugal, with many other siblings
>>
>> This family is all buried at Cavalry Cemetery, Merced
>>
>> The 1920 census for Merced county shows Mary P Edwards b 1881, widowed,
>> with son Anthony 19 yrs born Portugal, and daughter Elvira 12yrs. born
>> California
>>
>>
>>
>>  Jose Valadao Eduardo arrived in Boston  aboard the Canopic on 28 Apr
>> 1920. He was 16 yrs old ,born 25 June 1903  in  Fajazinha , Flores to Jose
>> Valdao Eduardo and Maria Jose Corvelo.
>>
>> His destination is Oakland, Ca to his uncle , Federico N Corvelo.
>> Ancestry.com family trees confirm this information with baptism records and
>> shiplists.
>>
>>
>>
>> The Joe Valladao in Atwater was born in Flores in 7 Jun  1884/5 and was
>> married to Maria Souza. Their children, born in Atwater were Jessie b 195,
>> Walter b 1923 and Edward b 1926
>>
>> Joe F Valldao doesn't appear on the 1940 census, but his 1942 draft card
>> places him in Atwater. He died in Stanislaus county in 1972
>>
>>
>> Eric Edgar
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 9:57 PM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Repost for Teresa, sian_goad at yahoo.com
>>>
>>> Hi. I am looking for information on Tony Edwards (Eduardo) born June 2
>>> 1902, son of Mary Edwards (Maria De Gloria? Eduardo?) born 1879 both from
>>> the Azores, Flores and possibly Fajazihna. Tony Edwards' father is possibly
>>> Bautista? Mary Edwards had two sons, Tony Edwards and Joseph Edwards
>>> (August 11 1894) and it is rumored they are half brothers.
>>>
>>> The info I have shows Joseph Edwards' father was Joe Valladao. I am not
>>> sure if Mary was ever married to either of the fathers.Tony Edwards was my
>>> grandfather so we are hoping to find information on his family and to find
>>> out who is father was. We also do not know who Mary's mother and father are
>>> in the Azores?
>>>
>>> Mary Edwards came to Merced, California with her two sons Tony and Joe
>>> around 1910? I have heard rumor that Joe's father Joe Valladao lived in
>>> Atwa

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Eduardo, born 1879, Flores to Merced, California

[luiznoia .]

I see the 1910 census for East Merced with Mary P Edwards, children Joseph
15 yrs, Tony 10 yrs, all  b. Portugal  and Alameda 3 yrs b California  they
arrived in 1905

1920 Maria , son Anthony, daughter Elma

1930- Maria, widowed,son Tony, daughter  Elma, and two grand daughters, and
a grandson

1940  Maria, son Tony  and three grandaughters



I can find no information for a Tony Edwards with any possible spellings
born on 2 Jun 1902

Tony Thomas Edwards born 13 July 1903 died in Atwater on 17 Nov 1984-
mother's maiden Silveira

That points to this family:

1920 census Merced county shows the family of Frank T (Francisco Tomas
Eduardo) and Mary F Edwards ( Maria Federico de Ceu)- with a 16 yr old
Antone and a 14 yr old Joseph. born Portugal, with many other siblings

This family is all buried at Cavalry Cemetery, Merced

The 1920 census for Merced county shows Mary P Edwards b 1881, widowed,
with son Anthony 19 yrs born Portugal, and daughter Elvira 12yrs. born
California



 Jose Valadao Eduardo arrived in Boston  aboard the Canopic on 28 Apr 1920.
He was 16 yrs old ,born 25 June 1903  in  Fajazinha , Flores to Jose Valdao
Eduardo and Maria Jose Corvelo.

His destination is Oakland, Ca to his uncle , Federico N Corvelo.
Ancestry.com family trees confirm this information with baptism records and
shiplists.



The Joe Valladao in Atwater was born in Flores in 7 Jun  1884/5 and was
married to Maria Souza. Their children, born in Atwater were Jessie b 195,
Walter b 1923 and Edward b 1926

Joe F Valldao doesn't appear on the 1940 census, but his 1942 draft card
places him in Atwater. He died in Stanislaus county in 1972


Eric Edgar

On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 9:57 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Repost for Teresa, sian_goad at yahoo.com
>
> Hi. I am looking for information on Tony Edwards (Eduardo) born June 2
> 1902, son of Mary Edwards (Maria De Gloria? Eduardo?) born 1879 both from
> the Azores, Flores and possibly Fajazihna. Tony Edwards' father is possibly
> Bautista? Mary Edwards had two sons, Tony Edwards and Joseph Edwards
> (August 11 1894) and it is rumored they are half brothers.
>
> The info I have shows Joseph Edwards' father was Joe Valladao. I am not
> sure if Mary was ever married to either of the fathers.Tony Edwards was my
> grandfather so we are hoping to find information on his family and to find
> out who is father was. We also do not know who Mary's mother and father are
> in the Azores?
>
> Mary Edwards came to Merced, California with her two sons Tony and Joe
> around 1910? I have heard rumor that Joe's father Joe Valladao lived in
> Atwater.
>
> Any info would be much appreciated.
>
> Thank you,
> Teresa
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Eduardo, born 1879, Flores to Merced, California

[luiznoia .]

This Joseph Edwards, who died in Alameda county in 1953 seems to the the 15
years old son  on the 1910 census

Birth: Aug. 10, 1894, PortugalDeath: Sep. 16, 1953
California, USA
Husband of Evelyn L Edwards Furtado
 Burial:
Calvary Cemetery
<http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=cr=edwards=joseph=all=1953=in=6=4=n=47825489=7873=all;>

Merced
Merced County
California, USA

On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 9:52 AM, luiznoia . <noblankt...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I see the 1910 census for East Merced with Mary P Edwards, children Joseph
> 15 yrs, Tony 10 yrs, all  b. Portugal  and Alameda 3 yrs b California  they
> arrived in 1905
>
> 1920 Maria , son Anthony, daughter Elma
>
> 1930- Maria, widowed,son Tony, daughter  Elma, and two grand daughters,
> and a grandson
>
> 1940  Maria, son Tony  and three grandaughters
>
>
>
> I can find no information for a Tony Edwards with any possible spellings
> born on 2 Jun 1902
>
> Tony Thomas Edwards born 13 July 1903 died in Atwater on 17 Nov 1984-
> mother's maiden Silveira
>
> That points to this family:
>
> 1920 census Merced county shows the family of Frank T (Francisco Tomas
> Eduardo) and Mary F Edwards ( Maria Federico de Ceu)- with a 16 yr old
> Antone and a 14 yr old Joseph. born Portugal, with many other siblings
>
> This family is all buried at Cavalry Cemetery, Merced
>
> The 1920 census for Merced county shows Mary P Edwards b 1881, widowed,
> with son Anthony 19 yrs born Portugal, and daughter Elvira 12yrs. born
> California
>
>
>
>  Jose Valadao Eduardo arrived in Boston  aboard the Canopic on 28 Apr
> 1920. He was 16 yrs old ,born 25 June 1903  in  Fajazinha , Flores to Jose
> Valdao Eduardo and Maria Jose Corvelo.
>
> His destination is Oakland, Ca to his uncle , Federico N Corvelo.
> Ancestry.com family trees confirm this information with baptism records and
> shiplists.
>
>
>
> The Joe Valladao in Atwater was born in Flores in 7 Jun  1884/5 and was
> married to Maria Souza. Their children, born in Atwater were Jessie b 195,
> Walter b 1923 and Edward b 1926
>
> Joe F Valldao doesn't appear on the 1940 census, but his 1942 draft card
> places him in Atwater. He died in Stanislaus county in 1972
>
>
> Eric Edgar
>
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 9:57 PM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Repost for Teresa, sian_goad at yahoo.com
>>
>> Hi. I am looking for information on Tony Edwards (Eduardo) born June 2
>> 1902, son of Mary Edwards (Maria De Gloria? Eduardo?) born 1879 both from
>> the Azores, Flores and possibly Fajazihna. Tony Edwards' father is possibly
>> Bautista? Mary Edwards had two sons, Tony Edwards and Joseph Edwards
>> (August 11 1894) and it is rumored they are half brothers.
>>
>> The info I have shows Joseph Edwards' father was Joe Valladao. I am not
>> sure if Mary was ever married to either of the fathers.Tony Edwards was my
>> grandfather so we are hoping to find information on his family and to find
>> out who is father was. We also do not know who Mary's mother and father are
>> in the Azores?
>>
>> Mary Edwards came to Merced, California with her two sons Tony and Joe
>> around 1910? I have heard rumor that Joe's father Joe Valladao lived in
>> Atwater.
>>
>> Any info would be much appreciated.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Teresa
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Assistance with mothers given name

[luiznoia .]

It looks like Theodosia da Souza to me

Eric Edgar

On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 10:33 AM, Paul  wrote:

> I need some help with Manoel Ferreira (5X ggrandfather) mothers name. To
> me it looks like Theodozia. Record top right.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-B-1740-1752/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-B-1740-1752_item1/P143.html
>
> Thanks,
> Paul G.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Velma Cotta

[luiznoia .]

Yes! That matches the names on the baptism records I have found for Velma's
father.

I'll see if I can track any of those siblings to the US


Eric Edgar

On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 8:20 PM, hisalv via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Eric and Dave
> I have Jose Martins Cotta and Maria Balbina in my records  Maria.Balbina
> is related to my mother from 2nd to 8th cousins.  Jose and Maria Balbina
> were married Nov. 5, 1869. (1860-1869+006 pg.6 Rec. #10) Sao Pedro,
> Biscoites.  He was 22 yrs old when he married, and she was 19 yrs old. . He
> was the son of Jose Martins Cotta and Maria Ignacia.and Maria Balbina  was
> the daughter of Jose Martins Ourique and Josefa Constancia .
>
> I also have three more children for Jose and Maria Balbina
> 1 Maria do Rosario b. June 3, 1870, married June 6, 1889 to Pedro de
> Sousa, of Angra. (1889-006 Rec 9 pg. 6)
> 2 Manoel b. Oct. 7, 1872
> 3 Emilia b. Sep. 27, 1875
>
>  Helen S
>
> -Original Message-
> From: luiznoia . <noblankt...@gmail.com>
> To: Azores Genealogy <azores@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Thu, Oct 29, 2015 7:50 am
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Velma Cotta
>
> The 1913 shiplist shows Francisco came to the US in 1906, and is returning
> to his brother Jose Martins Cotta in Sanger, Fresno. Father is Jose Martins
> Cotta in Biscoitos
> I have no censuses for 1920 for this Cotta family
>
> This was a very tricky family to sort out. I'm going to post what I have
> for the group to see if anyone relates to these families, has worked on
> related families, or just for a second look at things.
>
> First, there are three Jose Martins Cotta who left Biscoitos, Terceira
> within a few months in 1901. Two of those came to the Tulare, Kings, Fresno
> area. Two of them had brothers named Francisco.
>
> One of the fathers was Jose Martins Cotta, and one was Manuel Martins
> Cotta.
>
> I do not have draft notices that fit the two who appear on the 1910 census
> in Kaweah, Tulare
>
> I have no clear death record for Frank M Cotta.
>
>
> I'll post a number of records in a few messages
>
> Eric Edgar
>
> *Descendants of Jose Martins Cotta*
>
>
> *Generation No. 1*
>
> *1.*  JOSE MARTINS2 COTTA*  (J**OSE** M**ARTIN*1*)*  He married MARIA B
> ALBINA, daughter of JOSE OURIQUE and JOSEFA CONSTANCIA.
>
> Children of JOSE COTTA and MARIA BALBINA are:
> 2.i.JOSE MARTIN3 COTTA, b. 19 Mar 1882, Biscoitos,
> Terceira, Azores; d. 12 Jun 1961, Chino, San Bernardino, California.
>   ii.FRANCISCO MARTIN COTTA, b. 21 Nov 1884,
> Biscoitos, Terceira, Azores.
>
>
> *Generation No. 2*
>
> *2.*  JOSE MARTIN3 COTTA* (J**OSE** M**ARTINS*2*, J**OSE** M**ARTIN*1*)*
> was born 19 Mar 1882 in Biscoitos, Terceira, Azores, and died 12 Jun 1961
> in Chino, San Bernardino, California.  He married MARIA M CONCEIACO 12
> Sep 1901 in Lowell, Massachucetts, daughter of JOSE CONCEICAO and JOSEFA.
>
>
> Children of JOSE COTTA and MARIA CONCEIACO are:
>i.MARY M4 COTTA, b. 31 Jan 1903, Taunton, Bristol,
> Massachucetts; d. 15 May 1990, Tulare. California; m. SOUZA.
> 3.   ii.VELMA COTTA, b. 15 Mar 1910, California; d. 30
> Jan 1971, Tulare. California.
> 4.  iii.ROSE ALICE COTTA, b. 1913, California; d. 24 Sep
> 2014, Tulare. California.
>
>
> *Generation No. 3*
>
> *3.*  VELMA4 COTTA* (J**OSE** M**ARTIN*3*, J**OSE** M**ARTINS*2*, J**OSE**
> M**ARTIN*1*)* was born 15 Mar 1910 in California, and died 30 Jan 1971 in
> Tulare. California.  She married (1) MANUEL M COELHO 1923 in Tulare,
> California.She married (2) JOE G HUGHES 1933 in Reno, Nevada.
>
> Child of VELMA COTTA and MANUEL COELHO is:
>i.EDWARD5 COELHO, b. 1926, California.
>
>
> *4.*  ROSE ALICE4 COTTA* (J**OSE** M**ARTIN*3*, J**OSE** M**ARTINS*2*, J*
> *OSE** M**ARTIN*1*)* was born 1913 in California, and died 24 Sep 2014 in
> Tulare. California.  She married JOSEPH LEAL, son of LEAL and BORGES.  He
> was born 08 Feb 1910 in Azores, and died 28 Dec 1999 in Tulare. California.
>
> Children of ROSE COTTA and JOSEPH LEAL are:
>i.DOLORES5 LEAL.
>   ii.LUCILLE LEAL.
>  iii.IRENE LEAL.
>  iv.MARY LEAL.
>   v.ALICE LEAL.
>  vi.TERESA LEAL.
> vii.LAURA LEAL.
>viii.JOSEPH LEAL.
>  ix.JAMES LEAL.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 5:33 PM, nancy jean baptiste <
> fishsongf...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Congratulations! What a thrill it must be to talk with yo

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Morisson name in Azores, late 18th/early 19th c.

[luiznoia .]

It'also seen in NEPS records as Marrison.

Eric
On Nov 3, 2015 8:48 AM, "linda"  wrote:

> Thanks so much, Eric Edgar. The use of the honorific "Dona" in that record
> suggests that I should look through Familias Faialenes more closely and not
> just at the index.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Morisson name in Azores, late 18th/early 19th c.

[luiznoia .]

Here's a baptism  in Matriz. Faial for a daughter of D. Rosa Morrison
d'Oliveira

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-MATRIZ-B-1875-1883/FAL-HT-MATRIZ-B-1875-1883_item1/P279.html


Eric Edgar


On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 3:05 PM, linda  wrote:

>
> Eliseu and Angela,
>
> Thank you both so much for your replies.   It looks like the Morisson
> family was quite mobile, moving readily among the islands.  I'll look up
> some of those birth and marriage records this evening.
>
> Luis Antonio da Costa Morisson would have been 48 years old when my 4xGGPs
> married.  My 4xGGF was likely somewhere between 23 to 33, and his father
> was already dead.  I can speculate that there might have been a business
> friendship between them.
>
> I found mention of "Morisson & Companhia" in a list of Casas Exportadoras
> de Fructa em Ponta Delgada published in 1864, fifty years after my
> ancestors were married.  So, at least a faction of the Morisson family was
> engaged in international mercantile trade to/from the islands-- albeit much
> later in time.
>
> Thanks so much!  I'm going to file these bits of information together with
> that section of the family, and keep my eyes open for more clues.
>
> :^D
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Manuel-son of Manuel Silveira of Ribeiras Pico Azores b. 25 Jul 1741

[luiznoia .]

Manuel, filho de Manuel Silveira Carauta e Maria da Encarnacion

baptised 25 Julho 1741

he died 24 Janeiro 1742

by cross referencing the UMinho site

http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=Ribeiras;lang=pt;i=905;oc=127



Eric Edgar





On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 6:53 PM, linda  wrote:

>
> Hi Evee,
>
> Here's a stab at it.
>
> I can't read the father's second surname, but I don't think it's Costa
> though it could be da Costa.
>
> The mother's name looks like Maria da Encarnacao (Maria do En CarnaCam)
>
> I read the date the same as you do.   I can't make out what it says after
> Ribeirinhas.
>
> I see "foi baptizado por mim o Cura desta Igza"  Igza = igresia,  Cura =
> curate
>
> Godmother is Roza da ConCeiCam (Rosa da Conceicao) m.er do Sargento (?)
> Balthazar  Vieyra.  I don't know if it is "sargento"; my brain wants to
> turn it into Lorenzo, but letter by letter, sargento seems to fit better.
>
> The margin note is Latin and means "(he/it) has it not"  I've never seen
> that before and have no idea what it means.
>
> best wishes,
>
> Linda
>
>
> On Sunday, November 1, 2015 at 1:02:01 PM UTC-8, Evee Silva Kiler wrote:
>>
>> I need some help with the following baptism record:
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-RIBEIRAS-B-1732-1749/PIC-LJ-RIBEIRAS-B-1732-1749_item1/P74.html
>>
>> Manuel is the first complete baptism record on the page at the right.
>>
>> I don't know what the note in the left margin means.  It seems to be the
>> same for most people in this book of baptisms.
>>
>> This is what I think I see in the baptism record:
>>
>> Manuel, son of Manuel Silveira Costa???[I can't read the mother's
>> name...looks like Rozia da ]
>> residents of this freguesia parish of Santa Barbara Ribeiras
>> 
>> born 25th day of the month of July 1741 ??? baptism by me  [I don't
>> understand the abbreviation for his "title"] of this church underwritten
>> and assigned the 30th day of this month and this year.
>>
>> For godparents:  Bartholomu Homem husband of Maria Silveria and Roza da
>> [??] wife of So??? Balthazar
>>
>> I don't understand the writing after Balthazar.
>>
>> Pretty sketchy, I know, but I am having a terrible time reading the
>> writing with all the abreviations of this priest, Thome Cardoso Machado???
>>
>> What I'm looking for, of course, are the names within the record and any
>> information specific to the individuals...beyond the "boiler-plate"
>> language that appears in most of the records of this time and place.
>>
>> I'm looking for Manuel Silveira Costa who was the husband of my 3rd great
>> grand aunt...Maria Silveira...all of Ribeiras, Pico, I believe.
>>
>> Thank you for any help!
>>
>> Evee Silva Kiler
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel-son of Manuel Silveira of Ribeiras Pico Azores b. 25 Jul 1741

[luiznoia .]

This Maria Silveira, considering the time period ?



Maria

 Silveira
[image:
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 [image: ^^]


   - Nascida a 25 de Dezembro de 1755
   - Falecida a 31 de Outubro de 1822
   - Com a idade de 66 anos

Pais

   - Pedro Silveira
   

*+1797*
   - Bárbara Silveira
   

*+1790*

Casamentos e filhos

   - Casada *a 8 de Janeiro de 1791* com António Silveira Carauta
   

*+1802*, tiveram
  - José ?
  

   *1791*
  - Manuel Silveira Machado
  

   *1793-1832*
  - Maria Josefa
  

   *+1873*
   - Casada com Manuel Silveira Costa
   

*+1822*, tiveram
  - Ana Josefa
  

   *1774-1814*
  - Maria ?
  

   *1775-1776*
  - Maria Silveira
  

   *1776*
  - Bárbara ?
  

   *1779*
  - Isabel Jacinta
  

   *1781-1852*
   - Casada *a 5 de Agosto de 1801* com Manuel Silveira Costa
   

*+1804*
   -


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> I need some help with the following baptism record:
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-RIBEIRAS-B-1732-1749/PIC-LJ-RIBEIRAS-B-1732-1749_item1/P74.html
>
> Manuel is the first complete baptism record on the page at the right.
>
> I don't know what the note in the left margin means.  It seems to be the
> same for most people in this book of baptisms.
>
> This is what I think I see in the baptism record:
>
> Manuel, son of Manuel Silveira Costa???[I can't read the mother's
> name...looks like Rozia da ]
> residents of this freguesia parish of Santa Barbara Ribeiras
> 
> born 25th day of the month of July 1741 ??? baptism by me  [I don't
> understand the abbreviation for his "title"] of this church underwritten
> and assigned the 30th day of this month and this year.
>
> For godparents:  Bartholomu Homem husband of Maria Silveria and Roza da
> [??] wife of So??? Balthazar
>
> I don't understand the writing after Balthazar.
>
> Pretty sketchy, I know, but I am having a terrible time reading the
> writing with all the abreviations of this priest, Thome Cardoso Machado???
>
> What I'm looking for, of course, are the names within the record and any
> information specific to the individuals...beyond the "boiler-plate"
> language that appears in most of the records of this time and place.
>
> I'm looking for Manuel Silveira Costa who was the husband of my 3rd great
> grand aunt...Maria Silveira...all of Ribeiras, Pico, I believe.
>
> Thank you for any help!
>
> Evee Silva Kiler
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel-son of Manuel Silveira of Ribeiras Pico Azores b. 25 Jul 1741

[luiznoia .]

You can see the parents again in this baptism record with the Homem surname
attached

Eris Edgar
Manuel Silveira
<http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=Ribeiras;lang=pt;m=P;v=manuel+silveira>
 Carauta
<http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=Ribeiras;lang=pt;m=N;v=carauta>[image:
<<]
<http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=Ribeiras;lang=pt;p=domingos+homem;n=carauta>
 [image: ^^]
<http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=Ribeiras;lang=pt;>

   - Falecido a 29 de Setembro de 1777

Casamentos e filhos

   - Casado com Maria Encarnação
   
<http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=Ribeiras;lang=pt;p=maria;n=encarnacao;oc=3>
*+1773*, tiveram
  - Domingos Homem
  
<http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=Ribeiras;lang=pt;p=domingos+homem;n=carauta>
   *1735-1803*
  - Francisco Ramalho
  
<http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=Ribeiras;lang=pt;p=francisco;n=ramalho>
   *1738-1815*
  - Manuel ?
  
<http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=Ribeiras;lang=pt;i=905;oc=127>
   *1741-1742*
  - Grácia ?
  
<http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=Ribeiras;lang=pt;i=906;oc=6>
   *1743-1743*
  - Manuel ?
  
<http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=Ribeiras;lang=pt;i=907;oc=128>
   *1745-1745*
  - Grácia Maria
  
<http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=Ribeiras;lang=pt;p=gracia;n=maria>
   *1746*
   -


On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 8:49 PM, luiznoia . <noblankt...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I see foram padrinhos
>
>  Bartolomeu Homen marido con Rosia Silveira e Rosa de Conceicao mulher de
> Sargento Baltazar Vieira
>
> I don't see these couples in Ribeiras or Lajes records .
>
> Eric Edgar
>
> On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 8:03 PM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure of the 2nd surname of Manuel Silveira ___. I want to say
>> da Costa, but with his other de,do,da stuff - well it looks a bit off to me.
>>
>> Linda got the wife correct.
>>
>> I think I'm reading Pontas Negros at the end of line 3. I don't know if
>> this is a street or neighborhood in Ribeiras (I don't research Pico).
>>
>> Linda has the rest correct.
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
>> Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel-son of Manuel Silveira of Ribeiras Pico Azores b. 25 Jul 1741

[luiznoia .]

I see foram padrinhos

 Bartolomeu Homen marido con Rosia Silveira e Rosa de Conceicao mulher de
Sargento Baltazar Vieira

I don't see these couples in Ribeiras or Lajes records .

Eric Edgar

On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 8:03 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> I'm not sure of the 2nd surname of Manuel Silveira ___. I want to say
> da Costa, but with his other de,do,da stuff - well it looks a bit off to me.
>
> Linda got the wife correct.
>
> I think I'm reading Pontas Negros at the end of line 3. I don't know if
> this is a street or neighborhood in Ribeiras (I don't research Pico).
>
> Linda has the rest correct.
>
> Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Manuel-son of Manuel Silveira of Ribeiras Pico Azores b. 25 Jul 1741

[luiznoia .]

I have found while  researching my  Ribeiras families, that many records
are filed in Lajes. My Silveira Soares family there lived in Terras,
between the two churches.

A marriage record may be found in Lajes , but baptisms in Ribeiras, then
obito in Lajes for the same person

Eric Edgar

On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 7:52 PM, luiznoia . <noblankt...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Manuel, filho de Manuel Silveira Carauta e Maria da Encarnacion
>
> baptised 25 Julho 1741
>
> he died 24 Janeiro 1742
>
> by cross referencing the UMinho site
>
>
> http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=Ribeiras;lang=pt;i=905;oc=127
>
>
>
> Eric Edgar
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 6:53 PM, linda <menesesli...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Evee,
>>
>> Here's a stab at it.
>>
>> I can't read the father's second surname, but I don't think it's Costa
>> though it could be da Costa.
>>
>> The mother's name looks like Maria da Encarnacao (Maria do En CarnaCam)
>>
>> I read the date the same as you do.   I can't make out what it says after
>> Ribeirinhas.
>>
>> I see "foi baptizado por mim o Cura desta Igza"  Igza = igresia,  Cura =
>> curate
>>
>> Godmother is Roza da ConCeiCam (Rosa da Conceicao) m.er do Sargento (?)
>> Balthazar  Vieyra.  I don't know if it is "sargento"; my brain wants to
>> turn it into Lorenzo, but letter by letter, sargento seems to fit better.
>>
>> The margin note is Latin and means "(he/it) has it not"  I've never seen
>> that before and have no idea what it means.
>>
>> best wishes,
>>
>> Linda
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, November 1, 2015 at 1:02:01 PM UTC-8, Evee Silva Kiler wrote:
>>>
>>> I need some help with the following baptism record:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-RIBEIRAS-B-1732-1749/PIC-LJ-RIBEIRAS-B-1732-1749_item1/P74.html
>>>
>>> Manuel is the first complete baptism record on the page at the right.
>>>
>>> I don't know what the note in the left margin means.  It seems to be the
>>> same for most people in this book of baptisms.
>>>
>>> This is what I think I see in the baptism record:
>>>
>>> Manuel, son of Manuel Silveira Costa???[I can't read the
>>> mother's name...looks like Rozia da ]
>>> residents of this freguesia parish of Santa Barbara Ribeiras
>>> 
>>> born 25th day of the month of July 1741 ??? baptism by me  [I don't
>>> understand the abbreviation for his "title"] of this church underwritten
>>> and assigned the 30th day of this month and this year.
>>>
>>> For godparents:  Bartholomu Homem husband of Maria Silveria and Roza da
>>> [??] wife of So??? Balthazar
>>>
>>> I don't understand the writing after Balthazar.
>>>
>>> Pretty sketchy, I know, but I am having a terrible time reading the
>>> writing with all the abreviations of this priest, Thome Cardoso Machado???
>>>
>>> What I'm looking for, of course, are the names within the record and any
>>> information specific to the individuals...beyond the "boiler-plate"
>>> language that appears in most of the records of this time and place.
>>>
>>> I'm looking for Manuel Silveira Costa who was the husband of my 3rd
>>> great grand aunt...Maria Silveira...all of Ribeiras, Pico, I believe.
>>>
>>> Thank you for any help!
>>>
>>> Evee Silva Kiler
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Velma Cotta

[luiznoia .]

The 1913 shiplist shows Francisco came to the US in 1906, and is returning
to his brother Jose Martins Cotta in Sanger, Fresno. Father is Jose Martins
Cotta in Biscoitos

I have no censuses for 1920 for this Cotta family

This was a very tricky family to sort out. I'm going to post what I have
for the group to see if anyone relates to these families, has worked on
related families, or just for a second look at things.

First, there are three Jose Martins Cotta who left Biscoitos, Terceira
within a few months in 1901. Two of those came to the Tulare, Kings, Fresno
area. Two of them had brothers named Francisco.

One of the fathers was Jose Martins Cotta, and one was Manuel Martins
Cotta.

I do not have draft notices that fit the two who appear on the 1910 census
in Kaweah, Tulare

I have no clear death record for Frank M Cotta.


I'll post a number of records in a few messages

Eric Edgar

*Descendants of Jose Martins Cotta*





*Generation No. 1*



*1.*  JOSE MARTINS2 COTTA*  (J**OSE** M**ARTIN*1*)*  He married MARIA B
ALBINA, daughter of JOSE OURIQUE and JOSEFA CONSTANCIA.



Children of JOSE COTTA and MARIA BALBINA are:

2.i.JOSE MARTIN3 COTTA, b. 19 Mar 1882, Biscoitos,
Terceira, Azores; d. 12 Jun 1961, Chino, San Bernardino, California.

  ii.FRANCISCO MARTIN COTTA, b. 21 Nov 1884, Biscoitos,
Terceira, Azores.





*Generation No. 2*



*2.*  JOSE MARTIN3 COTTA* (J**OSE** M**ARTINS*2*, J**OSE** M**ARTIN*1*)*
was born 19 Mar 1882 in Biscoitos, Terceira, Azores, and died 12 Jun 1961
in Chino, San Bernardino, California.  He married MARIA M CONCEIACO 12 Sep
1901 in Lowell, Massachucetts, daughter of JOSE CONCEICAO and JOSEFA.



Children of JOSE COTTA and MARIA CONCEIACO are:

   i.MARY M4 COTTA, b. 31 Jan 1903, Taunton, Bristol,
Massachucetts; d. 15 May 1990, Tulare. California; m. SOUZA.

3.   ii.VELMA COTTA, b. 15 Mar 1910, California; d. 30 Jan
1971, Tulare. California.

4.  iii.ROSE ALICE COTTA, b. 1913, California; d. 24 Sep
2014, Tulare. California.





*Generation No. 3*



*3.*  VELMA4 COTTA* (J**OSE** M**ARTIN*3*, J**OSE** M**ARTINS*2*, J**OSE**
M**ARTIN*1*)* was born 15 Mar 1910 in California, and died 30 Jan 1971 in
Tulare. California.  She married (1) MANUEL M COELHO 1923 in Tulare,
California.She married (2) JOE G HUGHES 1933 in Reno, Nevada.



Child of VELMA COTTA and MANUEL COELHO is:

   i.EDWARD5 COELHO, b. 1926, California.





*4.*  ROSE ALICE4 COTTA* (J**OSE** M**ARTIN*3*, J**OSE** M**ARTINS*2*, J*
*OSE** M**ARTIN*1*)* was born 1913 in California, and died 24 Sep 2014 in
Tulare. California.  She married JOSEPH LEAL, son of LEAL and BORGES.  He
was born 08 Feb 1910 in Azores, and died 28 Dec 1999 in Tulare. California.



Children of ROSE COTTA and JOSEPH LEAL are:

   i.DOLORES5 LEAL.

  ii.LUCILLE LEAL.

 iii.IRENE LEAL.

 iv.MARY LEAL.

  v.ALICE LEAL.

 vi.TERESA LEAL.

vii.LAURA LEAL.

   viii.JOSEPH LEAL.

 ix.JAMES LEAL.







On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 5:33 PM, nancy jean baptiste <
fishsongf...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Congratulations! What a thrill it must be to talk with your cousin! Your
> mother's sisters daughter! Thank you for sharing this mystery as it
> unfolded. For those of us who are your cousins, there's still that mystery
> of "how/who/ when? Do you have a connection to the Azores yet? I know there
> was talk of looking at the passports. You already have your MTDNA...right?
>
> Best regards  for the continued story unfolding I like Belmiraaka,
> Velma..married at 13you have a good story there.
>
> Nancy Jean
>
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> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Velma Cotta
> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 16:43:34 -0700
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
>
>
> How wonderful! So many of us have watched this quest unfold and it is so
> nice to read of your success!
>
> Susan Vargas Murphy
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 28, 2015, at 9:22 AM, Dave Worman  wrote:
>
> Success!!!
>
> Thank you to each and every one of you who have spent time searching on my
> behalf and to each one of you following this thread.  I could not have done
> it without you.  You are an answer to my prayers!  God Bless you!
>
> I have been searching for Velma Cotta, my birth mother, for most of my
> adult life with no results beyond finding out her name and marriage to my
> birth father.   Due to the help from members of this group - she has been
> identified and I have been able to locate and contact my actual, real 1st
> cousin!  A child of Velma's sister!
>
> The information came in a little bit at a time but then quickly once we
> were pretty sure we were on the right trail.  Understanding the name change
> from Belmira to Velma 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Velma Cotta

[luiznoia .]

you mean Maria de Nazeré ?


Eric

On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 8:58 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Dave,
>
> You said: <>
>
> Nazera is not her maiden name. It's her middle religious name. Women
> didn't have surnames for a certain time period. I'm thinking she's Maria de
> Nazera, and I think it means Mary of Nazareth.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Velma Cotta

[luiznoia .]

Yes, By identifying the parents, I may be able to postively identify Manuel
, then Edward, son of Velma and him.

There is somone that ties this family to Orange County and San Bernardino.
There are more than one M.Coelho family dairy farming in both places. I
have not indentified what the M stands for. Martin, Macedo, Machado or
other.

Same for the M  Cotta. Also tied to San Bernardino, as it was the Joe M
Cotta death record place.

Eric
On Oct 21, 2015 8:10 AM, "Dave Worman" <dvco...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Manuel M. Coelho's parents are:Joe M. Coelho birthplace Portugal and
> Mary Nazera (maiden name) birthplace Portugal.   Will this information be
> of help to you?
>
> Dave
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 3:12 PM, luiznoia . <noblankt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Who are his parents?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 11:38 AM, Dave Worman <dvco...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Eric,
>>>
>>> I agree that she was probably 13 years old when she married in 1923.
>>>
>>> The marriage certificate does not give specific residence addresses,
>>> just Tulare for Velma M. Cotta and Tipton for the groom Manuel M Coelho.
>>> The parents addresses are not given at all - just their names and
>>> birthplaces.  The mother's of the bride and groom are listed by their
>>> maiden names.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 10:41 AM, luiznoia . <noblankt...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dave,
>>>> I think the everchanging ages on censuses are due to languague
>>>> confusion more than anything else.
>>>>
>>>> Thirteen years old with parental  consent was allowed then. My g
>>>> grandmother was 13 when she married a 35 yr old in 1909 with her mother as
>>>> the witness.
>>>>
>>>> This certificate confirms we are on the right track with the Joe M
>>>> Cotta family. When the CCA site comes back online, I'll continue the
>>>> passport search to locate them arriving in 1901 .
>>>> Does it give the names of Manuel's parents, or ant adresses?
>>>>
>>>> EricE
>>>> On Oct 20, 2015 8:02 AM, "Dave Worman" <dvco...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Eric,
>>>>> Just received a copy of the Marriage Certificate for Velma M. Cotta
>>>>> and Manuel M. Coelho on Oct. 13, 1923 in Tulare, Calif.   It shows her 
>>>>> name
>>>>> as *Velma* not Belmira even though the newspaper article listed her
>>>>> as Belmira.
>>>>>
>>>>> Her parents are Joe M. Cotta - birthplace Portugal   and Mary
>>>>> Conceicao - birthplace Portugal the same as the 1910 census.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now the fun part!   It shows Velma's age as 17 years old!!The 1910
>>>>> census clearly shows Belmira as 2/12 - 2 months old.Do you suppose the
>>>>> parents fudged a bit on her age?
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 10:36 AM, luiznoia . <noblankt...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, I'm aware  alien residents were required to register. However,
>>>>>> when someone lives in the US for 60 years and doesn't
>>>>>>
>>>>>> apply for citizenship, he's probably not filling out draft cards and
>>>>>> Social Security either.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I believe I've ruled out the Joe M Cotta, Jose Martin Cotta, and
>>>>>> Joseph Machado Cotta in Tulare as the one we're looking for. They can all
>>>>>> be
>>>>>>
>>>>>> tracked to future censuses and vital records showing then with other
>>>>>> families.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Same is true with the brother Frank M ( Courter)  Cotta found in the
>>>>>> household on the 1910  Kaweah, Tulare census. There are four Frank M 
>>>>>> Cotta
>>>>>> around,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> none of those line up with the 1888 birthdate, and 1907 arrival.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Eric Edgar
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 7:39 AM, Rosemarie Capodicci <
>>>>>> rcap...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Eric,  It didn't matter if you were an Alien or not, you fi

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Velma Cotta

[luiznoia .]

Dave,
I think the everchanging ages on censuses are due to languague confusion
more than anything else.

Thirteen years old with parental  consent was allowed then. My g
grandmother was 13 when she married a 35 yr old in 1909 with her mother as
the witness.

This certificate confirms we are on the right track with the Joe M Cotta
family. When the CCA site comes back online, I'll continue the passport
search to locate them arriving in 1901 .
Does it give the names of Manuel's parents, or ant adresses?

EricE
On Oct 20, 2015 8:02 AM, "Dave Worman" <dvco...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Eric,
> Just received a copy of the Marriage Certificate for Velma M. Cotta and
> Manuel M. Coelho on Oct. 13, 1923 in Tulare, Calif.   It shows her name as
> *Velma* not Belmira even though the newspaper article listed her as
> Belmira.
>
> Her parents are Joe M. Cotta - birthplace Portugal   and Mary Conceicao -
> birthplace Portugal the same as the 1910 census.
>
> Now the fun part!   It shows Velma's age as 17 years old!!The 1910
> census clearly shows Belmira as 2/12 - 2 months old.Do you suppose the
> parents fudged a bit on her age?
>
> Dave
>
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 10:36 AM, luiznoia . <noblankt...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Yes, I'm aware  alien residents were required to register. However, when
>> someone lives in the US for 60 years and doesn't
>>
>> apply for citizenship, he's probably not filling out draft cards and
>> Social Security either.
>>
>> I believe I've ruled out the Joe M Cotta, Jose Martin Cotta, and Joseph
>> Machado Cotta in Tulare as the one we're looking for. They can all be
>>
>> tracked to future censuses and vital records showing then with other
>> families.
>>
>> Same is true with the brother Frank M ( Courter)  Cotta found in the
>> household on the 1910  Kaweah, Tulare census. There are four Frank M Cotta
>> around,
>>
>> none of those line up with the 1888 birthdate, and 1907 arrival.
>>
>>
>> Eric Edgar
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 7:39 AM, Rosemarie Capodicci <rcap...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Eric,  It didn't matter if you were an Alien or not, you filled out a
>>> draft card in WWI.
>>>
>>> Rosemarie
>>> rcap...@gmail.com
>>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 1:55 PM, luiznoia . <noblankt...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> No, Joe M Cotta can be found in Tulare in 1910. The 1930 census shows
>>>> he is still an alien, so it's unlikey he would have a filled out a draft
>>>> card.
>>>>
>>>> Eric Edgar
>>>> On Oct 12, 2015 10:17 AM, "linda" <menesesli...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I think this may be Joe Cotta's WWI draft registration:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KZNK-LGB
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I found it the other evening and just realized that it is not one of
>>>>> the records that has already been posted in the thread.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> L.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Velma Cotta

[luiznoia .]

Who are his parents?



On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 11:38 AM, Dave Worman <dvco...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Eric,
>
> I agree that she was probably 13 years old when she married in 1923.
>
> The marriage certificate does not give specific residence addresses, just
> Tulare for Velma M. Cotta and Tipton for the groom Manuel M Coelho.   The
> parents addresses are not given at all - just their names and birthplaces.
> The mother's of the bride and groom are listed by their maiden names.
>
> Dave
>
> On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 10:41 AM, luiznoia . <noblankt...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Dave,
>> I think the everchanging ages on censuses are due to languague confusion
>> more than anything else.
>>
>> Thirteen years old with parental  consent was allowed then. My g
>> grandmother was 13 when she married a 35 yr old in 1909 with her mother as
>> the witness.
>>
>> This certificate confirms we are on the right track with the Joe M Cotta
>> family. When the CCA site comes back online, I'll continue the passport
>> search to locate them arriving in 1901 .
>> Does it give the names of Manuel's parents, or ant adresses?
>>
>> EricE
>> On Oct 20, 2015 8:02 AM, "Dave Worman" <dvco...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Eric,
>>> Just received a copy of the Marriage Certificate for Velma M. Cotta and
>>> Manuel M. Coelho on Oct. 13, 1923 in Tulare, Calif.   It shows her name as
>>> *Velma* not Belmira even though the newspaper article listed her as
>>> Belmira.
>>>
>>> Her parents are Joe M. Cotta - birthplace Portugal   and Mary Conceicao
>>> - birthplace Portugal the same as the 1910 census.
>>>
>>> Now the fun part!   It shows Velma's age as 17 years old!!The 1910
>>> census clearly shows Belmira as 2/12 - 2 months old.Do you suppose the
>>> parents fudged a bit on her age?
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 10:36 AM, luiznoia . <noblankt...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes, I'm aware  alien residents were required to register. However,
>>>> when someone lives in the US for 60 years and doesn't
>>>>
>>>> apply for citizenship, he's probably not filling out draft cards and
>>>> Social Security either.
>>>>
>>>> I believe I've ruled out the Joe M Cotta, Jose Martin Cotta, and Joseph
>>>> Machado Cotta in Tulare as the one we're looking for. They can all be
>>>>
>>>> tracked to future censuses and vital records showing then with other
>>>> families.
>>>>
>>>> Same is true with the brother Frank M ( Courter)  Cotta found in the
>>>> household on the 1910  Kaweah, Tulare census. There are four Frank M Cotta
>>>> around,
>>>>
>>>> none of those line up with the 1888 birthdate, and 1907 arrival.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Eric Edgar
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 7:39 AM, Rosemarie Capodicci <rcap...@gmail.com
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Eric,  It didn't matter if you were an Alien or not, you filled out a
>>>>> draft card in WWI.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rosemarie
>>>>> rcap...@gmail.com
>>>>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>>>>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 1:55 PM, luiznoia . <noblankt...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> No, Joe M Cotta can be found in Tulare in 1910. The 1930 census shows
>>>>>> he is still an alien, so it's unlikey he would have a filled out a draft
>>>>>> card.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Eric Edgar
>>>>>> On Oct 12, 2015 10:17 AM, "linda" <menesesli...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think this may be Joe Cotta's WWI draft registration:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KZNK-LGB
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I found it the other evening and just realized that it is not one of
>>>>>>> the records that has already been posted in the thread.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> L.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Census records for the Azores

[luiznoia .]

Sorry , you do get filha and neto . child and grandchild listed.

Eric

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> My cousin photocopied census records at a library in Flores.
>
> This is page from the 1914/1915 census for Ponta Delgada, Flores
>
> As you can see, you get address, name, age. No explanation of relationships
>
> Eric Edgar
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 8:46 AM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Those look like the Confession Rolls. Not a census.
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
>> Tainhas, Achada
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 6:05 AM, EResendes <eman...@resendes.ws> wrote:
>>
>>> Here is another example that was from 1899 and the format was on
>>> preprinted form with more information.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 19, 2015 at 6:16:44 PM UTC-4, manita.morgado wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Census records for the Azores.
>>>>
>>>> Has anyone ever used such records for genealogical purposes?
>>>>
>>>> Here's some basic information below but I want to be able to look at
>>>> the actual census records for my ancestors in São Miguel.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://sites.google.com/site/formacaolivrecensos/home/inicial-page/census-in-portugal/censos-in-portugal-over-the-time
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Why migrate to the Azores?

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Steve,

Are you the guy with the Azorean music blog?

Eric edgar

On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 12:21 PM, luiznoia . <noblankt...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Steve Peters,
>
> I'm certain this is your guy.
>
> <http://goog_1841781297>
>
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1842-1857/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1842-1857_item1/P50.html
>
> Caetano , son of Joao de Freitas and Catherina de Jesus,
>  paternos Manuel de Freitas and Maria Jose,
>  maternos Jose Pimentel and Maria de Jesus
>   baptised 8 April 1845
>   Nossa Semhora do Conceicao, Santa Cruz, Flores
>
> parents marriage record:
>
> João de Freitas [n. Fajãzinha, Lajes das Flores, f.º de Manuel de Freitas
> e de Maria José] c. 1817.05.29 c. Catarina de Jesus [f.ª de João Pimentel
> (ilegível) e de Maria de Jesus].
>
> Paternos marriage record isn't found in Fajazinha or anywhere  else with
> those names.
>
> it may be this one from Fajazinha:
>
> Manuel de Freitas [f.º de Domingos de Freitas da Assomada e de Maria
> de Freitas, e já v.º de Joana Pimentel, f.ª de Manuel de Fraga Mendonça
> e de Maria Pimentel] c. 1782.06.11 c. Maria Josefa [n. Fajã Grande, Lajes
> das Flores, f.ª de Francisco José e de Esperança de Freitas].
>
>
> Maternos marriage record will be hard to find. Those names are just to
> common in Santa Cruz.
>
> Eric Edgar
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 11:01 AM, Ângela Loura <angelalo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> That's right Steve, there some regional legislation, as well as different
>> taxing % on goods.
>>
>> 2015-09-24 15:04 GMT+01:00 Steve Peters <spp1...@gmail.com>:
>>
>>> Very interesting post, David. I knew some of that, but there's a lot of
>>> new info in there. Thanks. I still don't totally understand how
>>> "autonomous" the Azores government is from Portugal. In what ways is that
>>> autonomy enacted in the present day? Or is this something similar to State
>>> government as opposed to Federal in the US?
>>>
>>> Also, I notice you are researching Freitas on Flores. My gg-grandfather
>>> was Caetano Freitas from Flores (not sure what freguesia), came to US in
>>> 1865 and lived/died in Avila Beach, CA area. Haven't been able to trace him
>>> back to the island yet.
>>>
>>> Steve
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Velma Cotta

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No, Joe M Cotta can be found in Tulare in 1910. The 1930 census shows he is
still an alien, so it's unlikey he would have a filled out a draft card.

Eric Edgar
On Oct 12, 2015 10:17 AM, "linda"  wrote:

> I think this may be Joe Cotta's WWI draft registration:
>
>
> https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KZNK-LGB
>
>
> I found it the other evening and just realized that it is not one of the
> records that has already been posted in the thread.
>
>
> L.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Velma Cotta

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Yes, I'm aware  alien residents were required to register. However, when
someone lives in the US for 60 years and doesn't

apply for citizenship, he's probably not filling out draft cards and Social
Security either.

I believe I've ruled out the Joe M Cotta, Jose Martin Cotta, and Joseph
Machado Cotta in Tulare as the one we're looking for. They can all be

tracked to future censuses and vital records showing then with other
families.

Same is true with the brother Frank M ( Courter)  Cotta found in the
household on the 1910  Kaweah, Tulare census. There are four Frank M Cotta
around,

none of those line up with the 1888 birthdate, and 1907 arrival.


Eric Edgar

On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 7:39 AM, Rosemarie Capodicci <rcap...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Eric,  It didn't matter if you were an Alien or not, you filled out a
> draft card in WWI.
>
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
> On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 1:55 PM, luiznoia . <noblankt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> No, Joe M Cotta can be found in Tulare in 1910. The 1930 census shows he
>> is still an alien, so it's unlikey he would have a filled out a draft card.
>>
>> Eric Edgar
>> On Oct 12, 2015 10:17 AM, "linda" <menesesli...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I think this may be Joe Cotta's WWI draft registration:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KZNK-LGB
>>>
>>>
>>> I found it the other evening and just realized that it is not one of the
>>> records that has already been posted in the thread.
>>>
>>>
>>> L.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Velma Cotta

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SSI App

Name:Belle Lopes
[Belle Vierra] Gender:FemaleRace:WhiteBirth Date:10 Jan 1887Birth Place:
PortugalFather Name:Manuel VierraMother Name:Rose CottaType of Claim:Original
SSN.Notes:Dec 1936: Name listed as BELLE LOPES





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> The 1940 Census shows Belle as Balbina Lopes - must have been her original
> name before she Americanized it to Belle.
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
> On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 10:33 AM, luiznoia . <noblankt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I've been working with Dave on this for many years , off list.
>> Every lead from the marriage record to Joe Hughes has been worked over
>> endlessy. Every Cotta and Velma in the state on that time period has been
>> looked at and dissmissed before.
>>
>> I'm looking at a family connection to Belle and Herculeano Lopes, where
>> she had lived for a time. He is easy to track with that name. His draft
>> cards both show him from Santa Maria.
>>
>> Bell Lopes death record shows Vierra fathers name and Cotta as mothers
>> maiden . However their son's marriage record shows her as Balbina Broga.
>>
>> Anyone have these names in their tree?
>>
>> Eric Edgar
>> On Oct 5, 2015 8:22 AM, "Cheri Mello" <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, a few married very young. Just wanted to be sure you recalled Dave
>>> said his mom was born c. 1910.
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
>>> Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 7:32 AM, luiznoia . <noblankt...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> My great-grandmother was  13 when she married in 1909.
&g

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Velma Cotta

[luiznoia .]

My great-grandmother was  13 when she married in 1909.

Eric
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> If Velma was born in 1910, she was only 13 at marriage.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Velma Cotta

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Dave,

Another wild guess may be in the 1933 Los Angeles County marriage record of
Joseph Thomas Lopes, the son of Herculeano and Bell Lopes.

The witness is " Billie Sexton" with a L A address. Could be Velma with a
stage name. I've tried the city directories to find that person and address
without sucess.

Eric Edgar

On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 9:05 PM, luiznoia . <noblankt...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Dave,
>
>  I believe I have good lead, someone not looked at before.
>
> Belimira Cotta, shown on the 1910 census in Kaweah, Tulare county. This is
> in the Sierra east of Visalia.
>
> Her parents are listed as Joe M and Mary Courter ( That's how Cotta might
> sound to an American from a recently arrived Azorean)
>
> She's born in California ( age shows 2 months) Parents arrived in 1902.
>
> There is a Massachucetts birth record to match her sister Mary that
> confirms the  Cotta name
>
> .
>
> The only time the name is seen again is the 1923 Portuguese newspaper
> marriage article, Belmira Cotto to Manuel Coelho
>
> In 1930 , Joe M and Mary Cotta are in Tulare township with a grandson,
> Edward Coelho, born about 1926.
>
> In 1940 , a 15 yr old  Eddie Coelho turns up in the San Bernardino County
> Boys Detention Center. His birthplace is blank, but says he lived in that
> county in 1935
>
> It seems it could be another Eddie, except that a Joe M Cotta died in San
> Bernardino county in 1961, suggesting residency or a visit there.
>
> If I have the correct Joe and Mary Cotta, then their buried in the Tulare
> city cemetery.
>
>
> Eric Edgar
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Velma Cotta

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I've been working with Dave on this for many years , off list.
Every lead from the marriage record to Joe Hughes has been worked over
endlessy. Every Cotta and Velma in the state on that time period has been
looked at and dissmissed before.

I'm looking at a family connection to Belle and Herculeano Lopes, where she
had lived for a time. He is easy to track with that name. His draft cards
both show him from Santa Maria.

Bell Lopes death record shows Vierra fathers name and Cotta as mothers
maiden . However their son's marriage record shows her as Balbina Broga.

Anyone have these names in their tree?

Eric Edgar
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> Yes, a few married very young. Just wanted to be sure you recalled Dave
> said his mom was born c. 1910.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
> Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 7:32 AM, luiznoia . <noblankt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> My great-grandmother was  13 when she married in 1909.
>>
>> Eric
>> On Oct 5, 2015 7:24 AM, "Cheri Mello" <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> If Velma was born in 1910, she was only 13 at marriage.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Velma Cotta

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Dave,

Here's a new clue for you, from the SSI applications. We didn't find the
connection before to Herclulano and Belle Lopes.  Cotta is Belles' mother's
family name. Perhaps Velma is a niece?

Also , Portuguese name Belmira = Velma.

Name:Belle Lopes
[Belle Vierra] Gender:FemaleRace:WhiteBirth Date:10 Jan 1887Birth Place:
PortugalFather Name:Manuel VierraMother Name:Rose CottaType of Claim:Original
SSN.Notes:Dec 1936: Name listed as BELLE LOPES



Eric Edgar


>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 10:24 PM, linda  wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Dave,
>>
>> I know you've been searching for a while, so this is probably a dead end
>> you've already pursued, but here's a death record for Edna Velma Cota from
>> Tulare, CA
>>
>> https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VPC3-5LB
>>
>> Tulare is only a few miles from Hanford.
>>
>> Some other thoughts (again, probably things you've already considered):
>>
>> My understanding is that "Cota/Cotta" is a name that's most commonly
>> found on the island of Terceira, and that on Terceira the densest
>> distribution is around Doze Ribeiras, Santa Barbara and Altares.
>>
>> Maybe Velma was an Americanization of Vilemina/ Velmina (I'm not sure of
>> the spelling-- I'll ask my mom if it's something you'd like to know for
>> sure).  One of my great-aunts was born in Santa Barbara, Terceira about the
>> same time as your Velma Cota, and that was her given name.
>>
>> best wishes,
>>
>> Linda
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 30, 2015 at 12:49:17 PM UTC-7, dvc...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Marilyn,
>>>
>>> Thank you for your interest.
>>>
>>> The marriage certificate shows her name as Velma Cotta when she married
>>> Joe Hughes in 1933.  Her age was 24 and she lived at 230 Ivy St., Hanford,
>>> CA.  She had been previously married and was divorced in 1928 - no
>>> indication of her married name.
>>>
>>> Research shows that Herculano & Belle Lopes built the house at 230 Ivy
>>> St, Hanford, CA and lived in it during the 1930's and beyond.
>>>
>>> On my original birth certificate her maiden name is given as Velma
>>> Cotta.  It also indicates that she was born in California, no city or area
>>> was specified.  If Joe Hughes furnished this information it may be
>>> unreliable.
>>>
>>> She and Joe Hughes were trying to become Hollywood actors.  I cannot
>>> find a divorce but they separated sometime around 1937-38 or so.
>>>
>>> That sums up most of what I know about her.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 11:11 AM, Marilyn Thompson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Do you have any additional information? Born Northern, Central,
 Southern California? Married names?

 On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 9:03 AM, Dave Worman  wrote:

> First, Thank You!! to each one of you who have spent so much time
> trying to help me with this search.
>
>
>
> I am still searching for information on Velma Cotta, born about 1910
> probably in California.  Divorce 1928 - married again 1933.   In 1933
> lived at 230 Ivy St., Hanford, CA with Belle and Hercules Lopes.   Have
> hit a brick wall here and am still wondering about her.
>
>
>
> And to those of you who have not yet done the DNA testing, please test
> because you may be able to help people with brick walls like me.  Who
> knows, we might be cousins.
>
>
>
> Dave
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Interpretation of Baptismal Record for Claudia, daughter of Florencia - Ponta Delgada, Flores 1806

[luiznoia .]

Here's a Santa Cruz, Flores marriage record of a Monica  :


João Pimentel Canhoto [f.º de Manuel Pimentel Canhoto e de Inácia
Rosa] c. 1816.08.12 c. Mónica Coelho [n. Ponta Delgada, Santa Cruz das
Flores, f.ª de pai incógnito e de Florência Rosa].


*If it's the same as in the baptism record, she'd be 20 yrs old*


Here's Pedro Jose de Avelar's marriage record from  Lajes das Flores:

Pedro José de Avelar [n. Ponta Delgada, Santa Cruz das Flores, f.º de
pai incógnito e de Florência Maria] c. 1813.02.18 c. Úrsula Joaquina [f.ª
de pai incógnito e de Isabel Maria].

*If it was the same Pedro in the baptism record, he would be 20 years old*



Here are marriage records of children  of Florencia a single woman from
Ponta Delgada, Flores

Faustino José de Avelar [f.º de pai incógnito e de Florência, mulher
solteira] c. 1813.10.31 c. Úrsula Maria [f.ª de Joaquim de Sousa e de
Mariana de Jesus].

*I think this is the brother to Pedro Jose de Avelar*


José Álvares [f.º de Manuel Álvares, j. d., e de Mariana de Jesus] c.
1813.11.25 c. Maria de Jesus [f.ª de pai incógnito e de Florência, mulher
solteira].




Eric Edgar


On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 8:38 AM, luiznoia . <noblankt...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I think that tracking down Florencia's baptism record , obit, or the
> marriage record of either Pedro or Monica could provide some confirmation.
> I tend to think it is the same mother.
>
> The 1792 to 1806 time frame would easily be in childbearing years. It is
> also a time when many people left Corvo to settle in Flores. My ancestor ,
> Joao Antonio Vieira was born to a single mother in Corvo in 1789
>
> and settled in Cedros by 1810.
>
>  Slavery had been abolished in Continental Portugal in 1761, in Madeira in
> 1775, and by 1800 was on the wane in the Azores, being banned in 1830.
>
>
> The priest in the Claudia record of 1806, and the Monica record of 1796 is
> Domingo Bernardo da Sylvera
>
> The priest in the Pedro record of 1792 is Antonio Lourenco Coelho
>
> Eric Edgar
>
> On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 5:15 AM, Theresa Entin <ten...@fullchannel.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Depending on how common the name Florencia appears in the records
>> during that time frame of 13 years would determine to me if it was the same
>> person.  If it appears as a very uncommon name, then I would say they were
>> the same person.
>>
>> Also, In order to make a good determination, I would check ten years
>> prior to the birth of Pedro and 10 years after the birth of Claudia.
>>
>> Were you able to find the birth of Florencia, child of Maria in Corvo?
>> If Maria was also a slave, that would help solving the puzzle.
>>
>>
>> On Sep 30, 2015, at 7:19 PM, Kawika322 <oldschoo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> There is a baptismal record I would like to have people's interpretation
>> on. The record is for a Claudia born 7 Jul 1806 in Sao Pedro, Ponta
>> Delgada, Flores. The mother is names Florencia, and I am trying to see if
>> she may be the same Florencia who is the mother of my direct ancestor Pedro
>> Jose Avellar who was born in 1793 in Ponta Delgada, Flores. I don't have
>> any more info on Florencia such as a birth or death record, except that her
>> mother's name is Maria Coelho from Corvo, which I got from the baptismal
>> records of her children Pedro and Monica.
>>
>> If this is the same Florencia, her other children Pedro, and Monica, as
>> well as a Faustino (whom I cannot find a birth record for) all had pai
>> incognito fathers.
>>
>> This particular record may have additional information that could help me
>> track down Florencia (if indeed it is the same woman).
>>
>> Any info or translation of what exactly the record says would be helpful.
>>
>> It is the record on the top right of the page: *Claudia*, no. 14:
>>
>>
>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-PONTADELGADA-B-1758-1813/FLR-SC-PONTADELGADA-B-1758-1813_item1/P209.html
>>
>>
>>
>> The links for the baptismal records for my direct ancestor Pedro Jose
>> Avellar and his sister Monica Coelho (children of Florencia) are also below
>> so that people can compare and see if they might be the same Florencia or
>> not.
>>
>> *Pedro *(1793) : top right of page, no. 20:
>>
>>
>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-PONTADELGADA-B-1758-1813/FLR-SC-PONTADELGADA-B-1758-1813_item1/P146.html
>>
>> *Monica *(1796)*: *middle record, left side of page, no. 17
>>
>>
>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-PONTADELGADA-B-1758-1813/FLR-SC-PONTADELGADA-B-1758-1813_item1/P158.html
>>
>>
>>  Thanks,
>

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Interpretation of Baptismal Record for Claudia, daughter of Florencia - Ponta Delgada, Flores 1806

[luiznoia .]

I think that tracking down Florencia's baptism record , obit, or the
marriage record of either Pedro or Monica could provide some confirmation.
I tend to think it is the same mother.

The 1792 to 1806 time frame would easily be in childbearing years. It is
also a time when many people left Corvo to settle in Flores. My ancestor ,
Joao Antonio Vieira was born to a single mother in Corvo in 1789

and settled in Cedros by 1810.

 Slavery had been abolished in Continental Portugal in 1761, in Madeira in
1775, and by 1800 was on the wane in the Azores, being banned in 1830.


The priest in the Claudia record of 1806, and the Monica record of 1796 is
Domingo Bernardo da Sylvera

The priest in the Pedro record of 1792 is Antonio Lourenco Coelho

Eric Edgar

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 5:15 AM, Theresa Entin 
wrote:

> Hi Depending on how common the name Florencia appears in the records
> during that time frame of 13 years would determine to me if it was the same
> person.  If it appears as a very uncommon name, then I would say they were
> the same person.
>
> Also, In order to make a good determination, I would check ten years prior
> to the birth of Pedro and 10 years after the birth of Claudia.
>
> Were you able to find the birth of Florencia, child of Maria in Corvo?  If
> Maria was also a slave, that would help solving the puzzle.
>
>
> On Sep 30, 2015, at 7:19 PM, Kawika322  wrote:
>
> There is a baptismal record I would like to have people's interpretation
> on. The record is for a Claudia born 7 Jul 1806 in Sao Pedro, Ponta
> Delgada, Flores. The mother is names Florencia, and I am trying to see if
> she may be the same Florencia who is the mother of my direct ancestor Pedro
> Jose Avellar who was born in 1793 in Ponta Delgada, Flores. I don't have
> any more info on Florencia such as a birth or death record, except that her
> mother's name is Maria Coelho from Corvo, which I got from the baptismal
> records of her children Pedro and Monica.
>
> If this is the same Florencia, her other children Pedro, and Monica, as
> well as a Faustino (whom I cannot find a birth record for) all had pai
> incognito fathers.
>
> This particular record may have additional information that could help me
> track down Florencia (if indeed it is the same woman).
>
> Any info or translation of what exactly the record says would be helpful.
>
> It is the record on the top right of the page: *Claudia*, no. 14:
>
>
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-PONTADELGADA-B-1758-1813/FLR-SC-PONTADELGADA-B-1758-1813_item1/P209.html
>
>
>
> The links for the baptismal records for my direct ancestor Pedro Jose
> Avellar and his sister Monica Coelho (children of Florencia) are also below
> so that people can compare and see if they might be the same Florencia or
> not.
>
> *Pedro *(1793) : top right of page, no. 20:
>
>
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-PONTADELGADA-B-1758-1813/FLR-SC-PONTADELGADA-B-1758-1813_item1/P146.html
>
> *Monica *(1796)*: *middle record, left side of page, no. 17
>
>
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-PONTADELGADA-B-1758-1813/FLR-SC-PONTADELGADA-B-1758-1813_item1/P158.html
>
>
>  Thanks,
>
>David
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Interpretation of Baptismal Record for Claudia, daughter of Florencia - Ponta Delgada, Flores 1806

[luiznoia .]

While looking at obitos for Ponta Delagda, Flores, I noticed this almost
three page entry for Agostinho Antonio de Barcellos

http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-PONTADELGADA-O-1770-1837/FLR-SC-PONTADELGADA-O-1770-1837_item1/P152.html


Possibly Florencia is mentioned in it.


Eric Edgar

On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 6:44 PM,  wrote:

> I doubt they are the same mother.  The priest baptizing Pedro and Monica
> identified the mother as Florencia, daughter of Maria Coelho from Corvo, a
> single woman with a mother.  The priest baptizing Claudia identified the
> mother as Florencia, a single mulata and slave of Agostinho Antonio de
> Barcellos and his wife Dona Maria Thereza with no mention of other family.
>
> If they are the same, the two priests sure regarded them differently.
>
> Bill Seidler
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Interpretation of Baptismal Record for Claudia, daughter of Florencia - Ponta Delgada, Flores 1806

[luiznoia .]

Have you done DNA testing?  Most of my matches for Flores involve Avelar
ancestors.

Corvo was too rocky to provide enough food for the growing population.


Eric Edgar


On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 12:30 PM, Kawika322  wrote:

> Thanks for all the input everyone. I will have to do more searching.
>
> Eric, thanks for checking those records. I had Pedro's, Monica's, and
> Faustino's marriage recs but not the one for Maria de Jesus. I haven't been
> able to find a birth rec for Faustino and will have to look for the one for
> Maria de Jesus, since I didn't know she existed.
>
> As for Florencia, I still need to find her birth and death recs. I looked
> through that long obit and she wasn't mentioned.
>
> Also, why we're people moving from Corvo to Flores?
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Why migrate to the Azores?

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Steve Peters,

I'm certain this is your guy.


http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1842-1857/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1842-1857_item1/P50.html

Caetano , son of Joao de Freitas and Catherina de Jesus,
 paternos Manuel de Freitas and Maria Jose,
 maternos Jose Pimentel and Maria de Jesus
  baptised 8 April 1845
  Nossa Semhora do Conceicao, Santa Cruz, Flores

parents marriage record:

João de Freitas [n. Fajãzinha, Lajes das Flores, f.º de Manuel de Freitas
e de Maria José] c. 1817.05.29 c. Catarina de Jesus [f.ª de João Pimentel
(ilegível) e de Maria de Jesus].

Paternos marriage record isn't found in Fajazinha or anywhere  else with
those names.

it may be this one from Fajazinha:

Manuel de Freitas [f.º de Domingos de Freitas da Assomada e de Maria
de Freitas, e já v.º de Joana Pimentel, f.ª de Manuel de Fraga Mendonça
e de Maria Pimentel] c. 1782.06.11 c. Maria Josefa [n. Fajã Grande, Lajes
das Flores, f.ª de Francisco José e de Esperança de Freitas].


Maternos marriage record will be hard to find. Those names are just to
common in Santa Cruz.

Eric Edgar






On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 11:01 AM, Ângela Loura 
wrote:

> That's right Steve, there some regional legislation, as well as different
> taxing % on goods.
>
> 2015-09-24 15:04 GMT+01:00 Steve Peters :
>
>> Very interesting post, David. I knew some of that, but there's a lot of
>> new info in there. Thanks. I still don't totally understand how
>> "autonomous" the Azores government is from Portugal. In what ways is that
>> autonomy enacted in the present day? Or is this something similar to State
>> government as opposed to Federal in the US?
>>
>> Also, I notice you are researching Freitas on Flores. My gg-grandfather
>> was Caetano Freitas from Flores (not sure what freguesia), came to US in
>> 1865 and lived/died in Avila Beach, CA area. Haven't been able to trace him
>> back to the island yet.
>>
>> Steve
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] manuel antonio de azevedo confusion?

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Hard to help you when we don't know when or where these people lived.

You can either list out all the info on them, or provide a link to the
record you're looking at

Eric Edgar
On Sep 19, 2015 8:01 PM, "tyler sousa"  wrote:

> my great great grandmother is maria vitorina da conceicao
> and her father is Manuel antonio de azevedo
> mother is maria da conceicao
> on her baptism record it says that her paternal grandmother was Anna
> Victorina
> but i have read alot of different things about manuel antonio de azevedo
> and
> was wondering if anyone could help
> just a little more information on maria vitorina da conceicao
> Her maternal grandparents were Joao Antonio Victorina and Luisa da
> Conceicao de Coracao de Jesus
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Why migrate to the Azores?

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>From the book , Açores: Nove Ilhas, Uma Historia  "Nine Islands, one
history" Susana Goulart Costa
 ISBN-13: 978-0981933603
ISBN-10: 0981933602
This work depicts the insular experience of the Azores since its settlement
until the present day, attentively following a chronological line that
begins in the XV century and ends in 2008. The settlement of the islands,
their incipient political and administrative structures and main economic
activities, the organisation of an insular society and the beliefs and
religious sensibilities are some of the themes that are rigorously
explored. Its principal purpose is to inform readers about the principal
aspects of insular history. This is a concise history easily accessible to
the public in general notwithstanding the author's assurance that it is a
scientific work.



"These first settlers had different motivations for embarking on their
adventure, motivations that have been more or less constant throughout
human history.

Most came from the lower classes and saw in migration as an opportunity to
attain a better life in a new land. They were also attracted by the
economic and fiscal
benefits granted by the Portuguese Crown during the first years. These
settlers usually took their families and ended up transplanting their
"home." Overwhelmingly,
they were persons who had left behind little more than what they would find
in the new land. In the mid-16th century, Gaspar Frutuoso pointed to this
reality
since he observes that, whenever the grain-producing lands of Sao Miguel
become worn out, the "poor farmers are neither able nor willing to abandon
the lands that
they rent, even if they are losing profits, for they have no other
livelihood."

Far less common were settlers with high social standing. Some had
participated in the discovery of the islands; some had gained the trust of
their leaders and
had been granted royal appointments, while others would be responsible for
the political, administrative and economic organization of the islands, as
was the case
of Gonzalo Velho Cabral and Jacome de Bruges. Still, these were mainly
esquires, the lowest rung in the hierarchy of the nobility. As such, they
saw their move to
the Azores as a way of moving up the social ladder by assuming control of
land and government posts. This was an elite class that used the
archipelago to rise in
society, but their prominence would be felt only in the context of the
islands, and not on the mainland.

In other cases, dishonor that had befallen the family name prompted some to
look to the islands as a place to take refuge or to regain the social
prestige that had been lost. A very interesting example of this would be
the Canto family. The fIrst member of the clan to reach the Azores was
Pedro Anes do Canto, a native of Guimaraes.
 His grandfather was Vasco Afonso do Canto, whose paternal grandparents
were nobles from Galicia, while his maternal grandparents came from
England. He fought on the side of Dom Pedro in the Battle of Alfarrobeira
and, with the defeat, fell "into great disfavor" with King Afonso V. By
fighting in the campaign to conquer Morocco, he regained the confidence of
the Crown, which rewarded him in 1527 with the directorship of the District
Office of the Armadas, based in the island of Terceira.

 Along with this voluntary migration, the historical sources that are
available indicate that individuals who were under a variety of constraints
also came to the islands. The situation of the Jews, expelled from the
Kingdom by order of King Manuel I in 1496,27 is a paradigmatic example of
how the maritime territories served as a dumping ground for so-called
''undesirable'' groups of individuals, which also included the Moors and
recent converts. Similarly, some prisoners were forced to serve their
sentences on the islands. In 1455, for example, King Afonso V pardoned Joao
de Lisboa, who had been sent to Santa Maria in 1446 to be imprisoned for
homicide.
After having served nine years of his 15-year sentence, this criminal
returned to the mainland. These are situations that illustrate two aspects
of the early settlement of the region. First, since the Crown had
difficulty in recruiting persons, it forced some to migrate. Second, in the
mid 15th century, the settlement was still so sparse that not even the most
underprivileged were attracted. Finally, this process also included the
importation of slaves."




Eric Edgar

On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 10:00 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Repost for Miguel Deavery, migueldeavery at gmail.com
>
> I often wonder why some of our ancestors went to the Azores ?Did they go
> freely or were they forced ? Beautiful Islands in the middle of nowhere.I
> think our ancestors were courageous to leave Portugal than go to  the
> Azores and than leave again  to go throughout the world to give us
> opportunities they never had in their own lives.I know the Azores Islands
> are beautiful but it must of been isolating for those living there 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Jose da Silva, b. about 1833, city?, Faial, Azores - shanghaied age 14 and brough aboad a cargo bark to Long Island, NY - Looking for any information.

[luiznoia .]

Your best bet is to find and post the marriage record of Joseph and
Catherine. Ive already looked at Familysearch for it in New York and
Massachucetts without success.
His Navy records also may have clue.

Is there any birthdate found?

Is there a photo of the family crest ring ?

I'll guess the surname is actually da Silveira back in Faial.

Eric Edgar
On Sep 10, 2015 12:06 PM, "'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy" <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Hi Cheri,
> I agree that I don't think the crests were any thing that were passed on
> in Azores and I have not seen mention of them in any research that I have
> done BUT I do remember that the first time that I went to Faial, there is a
> church there that has the family crests on the ceiling. I think it is
> Angustias.  I just googled it as I was typing here and found this:)
> [image: x8b-2370998.jpg]
> On Sep 10, 2015, at 11:52 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
> RMac,
>
> You can find maps of the Azores on the Azores GenWeb. http://goo.gl/k1ZDXv
> (Click on Maps).
>
> There is no place called "Sao Miguel" on Faial island. "Sao Miguel" is
> another one of the Azores islands.
>
> Never heard of anyone in the Azores having a family crest ring. Really not
> sure about that at all. Most claims of "family crests" have completely
> fallen apart in my research.
>
> The Azores are an autonomous region of Portugal. They have their own
> archive system and have digitized their records. You can use Tombo.pt/en
> to access the records (stay in the left pane until you drill down to Faial).
>
> You can research all 12 or 13 freguesias there on Faial and I am sure you
> will find the birth of a Jose to a parent with Silva in their name. In all
> of the villages. Kinda like finding a Joseph Smith in all 50 of the states.
>
> You really need to do more research here in the U.S. to ascertain his
> freguesia over there.
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Jose da Silva, b. about 1833, city?, Faial, Azores - shanghaied age 14 and brough aboad a cargo bark to Long Island, NY - Looking for any information.

[luiznoia .]

The 1880 US census shows hem as Joseph Silvia from Fayal, a sailor, wife
Kitty from Ireland, with eight childen

The 1900 US census fpr Sag Harbor shows him as born in Lisbon, with Spain
written over it. Says he came in 186os

On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 9:41 PM, Dano  wrote:

> Umm???  (boarding a 14 y/o on a cargo bark to Long Island, NY, does not
> equate to being "shanghaied)..." More likely, he was getting out of town
> before the authorities drafted him (age 14 was draft age in the Azores).
>
> Looks like you have enough info w/ Sag Harbor, NY, name chg, wife's name,
> and yr of marriage, to start your research. If he lived in Sag Harbor his
> entire adult life, it may be all you need to get that branch started
> perhaps he listed his date, and place of birth, possibly even his parents,
> on his marriage application.
>
>
> shang·hai  (shăng-hī′, shăng′hī′)
> *tr.v.* *shang·haied*, *shang·hai·ing*, *shang·hais*
> *1. *To kidnap (a man) for compulsory service aboard a ship, especially
> after drugging him.
> *2. *To induce or compel (someone) to do something, especially by fraud
>  or force: We were shanghaied into buying worthless securities.
> --
> [After *Shanghai*1,
> *from the former custom of kidnapping sailors to man ships going to China*
> .]
> --
> *shang·hai′er** n.*
> American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fifth Edition.
> Copyright © 2011 by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. Published
> by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. All rights reserved.
>
> ~
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 8, 2015 at 5:05:44 PM UTC-4, R Mac wrote:
>>
>> Later moved to Sag Harbor, NY and changed name to Silvey. Married
>> Catherine McLain 1864. Any information would be appreciated.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Slaves

[luiznoia .]

Beginning in 1500 with Cabral's journey into the Indian Ocean, trading
centers were developed in Africa, the Red Sea, and South Asia.

The map attached shows the Portuguese outposts around 1600.

Slaves could have been purchased from any of these places and transported
to the Azores.

I have a match with another Flores family. We both share backgrounds of Red
Sea ( Arabia, Iran), Northeast Africa, Sub Sahara Africa, West Asian, South
Asian.


Eric Edgar

On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 11:41 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Yes, DNA testing has shown people with African lineages.
> Cheri
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
> Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 5:07 AM, Manita M  wrote:
>
>> This is very interesting.
>>
>> All my CCA records research are in the eastern part of Sao Miguel so
>> perhaps that is why I've never seen an "escravo" but I may not have noticed
>> it either as I'm still a newbie and not fully translating the records but
>> just focusing on the dates, names and places.
>>
>> I'm very curious to hear from others on this topic.
>>
>> Would the slaves have been "purchased" overseas and been brought to the
>> Azores?  I'm assuming they mainly came from Northern Africa?
>>
>> I do know that at the time of settlement they brought slaves to help
>> populate but I had assumed they would have become "free" once they got to
>> the Azores.
>>
>> Hmmm.
>>
>> DNA-wise:
>>
>> Anyone with Azorean DNA must have some slave OR North African DNA. Of
>> course anyone from Southern Portugal has some North African already mixed
>> into them so that can also explain the DNA ethnic makeup, but back to
>> slaves.
>>
>> I am assuming the slaves came from Africa?
>>
>> Yes, I'm well aware that there was white slavery too but those white
>> slaves ended up in the Berbarian lands and in fact could be our pre-Azorean
>> ancestors but that's another topic.
>>
>> I just wonder if these slaves were already in mainland Portugal or
>> Madeira and then sent to the Azores or if they came to the Azores from
>> Africa directly?
>>
>> Interesting topic and would love to hear from anyone with knowledge on
>> this topic that could reference sources.
>> On Sep 3, 2015 7:01 AM, "MaryAnn Santos"  wrote:
>>
>>> I've seen a number of references to slaves - "escravos" - in the CCA
>>> records. My research is primarily in São Miguel.
>>>
>>> MaryAnn
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 2:29 AM, linda  wrote:
>>>


 On Wednesday, September 2, 2015 at 8:53:17 PM UTC-7, manita.morgado
 wrote:
>
> Slave?
>
> I've never seen or noticed that in a CCA records.  I guess it could
> have been there and I didn't realize.
>
> Really?
>
> How common would this have been?
>

 As it happens, this week I've been going through early and mid 18th
 century baptismal and marriage records for Angra and Horta.  During this
 period and in these two cities, references to slaves are relatively
 common.   I jotted a few notes as I went along, but wasn't trying to be
 exhaustive in catching them, and for Angra Baptisms 1719-1729, I counted
 about 20 records for slaves.  Between 1710 and 1719, I noted at least 5 (by
 then, I was growing tired of jotting page numbers, so there are probably
 more).  Though generally of babies, several of these baptisms were
 of adults.  I also observed two further records with English slave owners
 rather than native Portuguese owners.  In Horta I took note of four slave
 records (two baptisms and two obits), and one baptism in Velas, Sao Jorge
 as well (there are certainly more instances of slaves in the records of
 these two cities, but I stopped noting them).  Previously, I've observed
 records for slaves in Lajes/Praya da Victoria, Terceira (possibly
 elsewhere) too, but I don't have my notes about those to hand at the 
 moment.

 Angra and Horta were two of the principal cities for the archipelago--
 the seats of commerce and government-- so that may account for the presence
 of the slave populations there.   These urban centers were populated by
 some of the wealthier citizens of the islands.  I inferred from names and
 titles that many of the slave owners were of high social status.  In two or
 three cases, women were listed as the owners.   The time period and
 places are critical-- Portugal was one of the earlier countries to ban the
 practice of slavery, IIRC-- my notes are on another computer-- but I'm not
 sure now of the dates.  If you have been going through 19th century records
 and/or rural parishes, then you are less likely to have seen slaves
 mentioned.  Also, if you aren't a native speaker (I am not), then it's very
 easy to pass over the word.  I was also surprised the first time I
 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Slaves

[luiznoia .]

>From the Wikipedia article on Portuguese Empire

Expansion of sugarcane <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugarcane> in Madeira
started in 1455, using advisers from Sicily
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicily> and (largely) Genoese
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Genoa> capital to produce
the *"sweet
salt"* rare in Europe <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_sugar>.
Already cultivated in Algarve <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algarve>, the
accessibility of Madeira attracted Genoese and Flemish traders keen to
bypass Venetian monopolies. Slaves were used, and the proportion of
imported slaves in Madeira reached 10% of the total population by the 16th
century.[21] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_Empire#cite_note-21>
 ( Many early settlers in the Azores, especially of the Donatary class came
from Madeira)

 In 1557 the Chinese authorities allowed the Portuguese to settle in Macau,
creating a warehouse in the trade of goods between China, Japan, Goa and
Europe.[78]
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_Empire#cite_note-Dodge226-78>[80]
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_Empire#cite_note-Disney2009b175.2C184-80>
As Portugal increased its presence along China's coast, they began trading
in slaves <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Portugal>. Many Chinese
slaves were sold to Portugal.[81]
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_Empire#cite_note-Yamashiro103-81>
[82]
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_Empire#cite_note-doRosarioPimente49-82>Since
the 16th century Chinese slaves existed in Portugal, most of them were
Chinese children and a large amount were shipped to the Indies.[83]
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_Empire#cite_note-Scarano9-83> Chinese
children were kidnapped in China, and through Macau
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonial_Macau> were brought to Portugal and
sold as slaves either in Macau or overseas.[84]
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_Empire#cite_note-84>[85]
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_Empire#cite_note-Yamashiro101-85>
Chinese
prisoners were sent to Portugal, where they were sold as slaves, they were
prized and regarded better than moorish and black slaves.[86]
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_Empire#cite_note-86>




The Tordesillas boundary between Spanish and Portuguese control in South
America was then increasingly ignored by the Portuguese, who pressed beyond
it into the heart of Brazil,[131]
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_Empire#cite_note-Boyajian11-131>
allowing
to expand the territory to the west. Exploratory missions were carried out
both ordered by the government, the "entradas" (entries), and by private
initiative, the "bandeiras" (flags), by the "bandeirantes
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandeirantes>".[134]
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_Empire#cite_note-Boxer386-134> These
expeditions lasted for years venturing into unmapped regions, initially to
capture natives and force them into slavery, and later focusing on finding
gold, silver and diamond mines.[135]
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_Empire#cite_note-BethencourtCurto111.2C117-135>


Eric Edgar




On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 2:35 PM, luiznoia . <noblankt...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Beginning in 1500 with Cabral's journey into the Indian Ocean, trading
> centers were developed in Africa, the Red Sea, and South Asia.
>
> The map attached shows the Portuguese outposts around 1600.
>
> Slaves could have been purchased from any of these places and transported
> to the Azores.
>
> I have a match with another Flores family. We both share backgrounds of
> Red Sea ( Arabia, Iran), Northeast Africa, Sub Sahara Africa, West Asian,
> South Asian.
>
>
> Eric Edgar
>
> On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 11:41 AM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Yes, DNA testing has shown people with African lineages.
>> Cheri
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
>> Tainhas, Achada
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 5:07 AM, Manita M <manita.morg...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This is very interesting.
>>>
>>> All my CCA records research are in the eastern part of Sao Miguel so
>>> perhaps that is why I've never seen an "escravo" but I may not have noticed
>>> it either as I'm still a newbie and not fully translating the records but
>>> just focusing on the dates, names and places.
>>>
>>> I'm very curious to hear from others on this topic.
>>>
>>> Would the slaves have been "purchased" overseas and been brought to the
>>> Azores?  I'm assuming they mainl

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with names in Faial

[luiznoia .]

Go to the uminho site, find the town on the Faial list, use the names you
know, find the recording of this entry...compare to the record.

Eric Edgar
On Aug 17, 2015 9:10 PM, Sean Andrade andrade.d.s...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 I came across these two baptisms for Manuel in Faial. they are both in
 1898 but I am having trouble with the names and relationships. It looks
 like some of the names are d'andrade, but I am having trouble making out
 everything else. Any help is greatly appreciated.


 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-PRAIADONORTE-B-1893-1911/FAL-HT-PRAIADONORTE-B-1893-1911_item1/P50.html


 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-PRAIADONORTE-B-1893-1911/FAL-HT-PRAIADONORTE-B-1893-1911_item1/P53.html

 Thanks!

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Finding S.S. Braunfels Ship List or?

[luiznoia .]

someone has the info on this

http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/74790270/person/30314112046

Magdalina (Maggie) SantosBirth 12 May 1891 in Sao Roque, Ponta Delgada, Sao
Miguel, AzoresDeath 15 October 1970 in Honolulu, Honolulu, Hawaii, USA

Manoel Carvalho dos SantosBirth 1864 in Sao Miguel, Azores, PortugalDeath
1932 in Maui County, Hawaii, USA
Rosa BrancoBirth 1865 in Sao Miguel, Azores, PortugalDeath 1950 in Maui
County, Hawaii, USA

On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 1:59 PM, luiznoia . noblankt...@gmail.com wrote:


 Jane Danley
 Hawaii Births and Christenings
 NameJane DanleyGenderFemaleBirth Date09 Apr 1926BirthplaceWAILUKU, MA,
 HawaiiName NoteARCEO, JANE (MRS)Father's NameAbel Danley
 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FWSD-JZJMother's NameMagdalena
 Santos https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FWSD-JZV
 CITING THIS RECORD

 Hawaii Births and Christenings, 1852-1933, database, *FamilySearch*(
 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FWSD-JZN : accessed 6 August
 2015), Jane Danley, 09 Apr 1926; citing WAILUKU, MA, Hawaii, reference Bk
 191 cn 47667; FHL microfilm 1,031,629.

-

- No image available

 HAWAII BIRTHS AND CHRISTENINGS, 1852-1933
 https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Hawaii_Births_and_Christenings_(FamilySearch_Historical_Records)


 On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 8:07 AM, Gloria Arlette Rodrigues 
 suchislif...@gmail.com wrote:

 HI ERIC

 I DO HAVE CENSUS ON GRANDMOTHER MAGGIE HER MOTHER ROSA AND SO ON. I HAVE
 NEVER COME ACROSS MY GRANDFATHERS WW2 RECORD OR ANY BAPTISM RECORDS FOR HER
 CHILDREN. HOW DID YOU GET THESE?? IHAVE ANCESTRY.COM AND FAMILYSEARCH
 BUT HAVE NEVER COME ACROSS THOSE. PLEASE TELL ME HOW YOU FOUND THEM

 THANKS A MILLION
 GLORIA

 Begin forwarded message:

 *From: *luiznoia . noblankt...@gmail.com
 *Subject: **Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Finding S.S. Braunfels Ship List or?*
 *Date: *August 5, 2015 at 1:44:26 PM PDT
 *To: *Azores Genealogy azores@googlegroups.com
 *Reply-To: *azores@googlegroups.com

 Gloria,

  I looked at my Carvalho files where I collected all people of that
 surname to Hawaii. I don't see any connection to your family.

 I see several records for them in Maui. I believe the 1910  for Wailuku,
 Maui lists them as Manuel , Rosa, and Blendia Santos, all born Portugal,
 and arriving in 1895 . Children Susie , Rosie, Joe , and Eddie all born
 Hawaii

 Maggie Danley uses Magdelena Santos as her maiden name on childrens
 baptisms.

 The 1901 birthdate on the alien reg card is probabaly her husbands . Abel
 Petronillo Garcia , wife Maggie Garcia is how they show on his WW2 draft
 card. He uses Danley on other records

 I beleive that there is no passport record for them in  Ponta Delgada
 because they boarded at Oporto, and are from the mainlaind. Getting the SS
 Braunfels passenger list is the key.

 There is also a Portuguese Consul list from Honolulu that may have them


 Eric Edgar

 Ship passenger lists, 1878-1913
 Authors:
 Portugal. Consulado Geral (Honolulu)
 https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/422283# (Main Author)
 Format:
 Manuscript/Manuscript on Film
 Language:
 English
 Publication:
 Salt Lake City, Utah : Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1977
 Physical:
 1 microfilm reel ; 35 mm.

 Ship passenger lists, 1878-1913
 Family History Library
 United States  Canada Film
 1017125
 https://familysearch.org/films/lookup/product/view/?id=1film=1017125






 On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 9:02 AM, luiznoia . noblankt...@gmail.com wrote:

 Gloria,

 Why don't you detail the information you have on your Carvalho in
 Hawaii. Where are they on the census in 1900?

 Why do think the Manuel dos Santos Carvalho on the Braunfels is the
 right person?


 I have researched a Carvalho family who arrived in Hawaii in 1912. They
 turned out to be from Braganca, Portugal.


 Eric Edgar

 On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 4:29 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
 rfrancispimen...@comcast.net wrote:

 *Names can really get twisted around when people traveled to the US
 around the turn of the century. If you have the ship and when it arrived
 then the persons passport record is before that date. Some of the passport
 records say what ship they were leaving on and where they were going. Most
 people got their passport shortly before they traveled usually 1 day to a
 month is where you will find the most of them.*



 *Rick*



 *Richard Francis Pimentel*

 *Epping, NH*





 *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
 Behalf Of *Gloria Arlette Rodrigues
 *Sent:* Tuesday, August 4, 2015 7:06 PM
 *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* Fwd: [AZORES-Genealogy] Finding S.S. Braunfels Ship List or?



 HI RICK,



 I HAVE LOOKED IN THE PASSPORTS AND FOUND MANUEL DOS SANTOS CARVALHO BUT
 THE NAME OF HIS WIFE AND 2 DAUGHTERS ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE
 KNOW THE NAMES TO BE. IN PASSPORT APPLICATION, MY

 GREAT GRANDMOTHER (Manuel’s wife) Margarida de Ressureicao, daughters,
 Erminia and Rita. OUR FAMILY KNOWS THEM AS, WIFE; MARIA ROSA, DAUGHTERS

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Finding S.S. Braunfels Ship List or?

[luiznoia .]

Gloria,

 I looked at my Carvalho files where I collected all people of that surname
to Hawaii. I don't see any connection to your family.

I see several records for them in Maui. I believe the 1910  for Wailuku,
Maui lists them as Manuel , Rosa, and Blendia Santos, all born Portugal,
and arriving in 1895 . Children Susie , Rosie, Joe , and Eddie all born
Hawaii

Maggie Danley uses Magdelena Santos as her maiden name on childrens
baptisms.

The 1901 birthdate on the alien reg card is probabaly her husbands . Abel
Petronillo Garcia , wife Maggie Garcia is how they show on his WW2 draft
card. He uses Danley on other records

I beleive that there is no passport record for them in  Ponta Delgada
because they boarded at Oporto, and are from the mainlaind. Getting the SS
Braunfels passenger list is the key.

There is also a Portuguese Consul list from Honolulu that may have them


Eric Edgar

Ship passenger lists, 1878-1913
Authors:
Portugal. Consulado Geral (Honolulu)
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/422283# (Main Author)
Format:
Manuscript/Manuscript on Film
Language:
English
Publication:
Salt Lake City, Utah : Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1977
Physical:
1 microfilm reel ; 35 mm.

Ship passenger lists, 1878-1913
Family History Library
United States  Canada Film
1017125
https://familysearch.org/films/lookup/product/view/?id=1film=1017125






On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 9:02 AM, luiznoia . noblankt...@gmail.com wrote:

 Gloria,

 Why don't you detail the information you have on your Carvalho in Hawaii.
 Where are they on the census in 1900?

 Why do think the Manuel dos Santos Carvalho on the Braunfels is the right
 person?


 I have researched a Carvalho family who arrived in Hawaii in 1912. They
 turned out to be from Braganca, Portugal.


 Eric Edgar

 On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 4:29 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
 rfrancispimen...@comcast.net wrote:

 *Names can really get twisted around when people traveled to the US
 around the turn of the century. If you have the ship and when it arrived
 then the persons passport record is before that date. Some of the passport
 records say what ship they were leaving on and where they were going. Most
 people got their passport shortly before they traveled usually 1 day to a
 month is where you will find the most of them.*



 *Rick*



 *Richard Francis Pimentel*

 *Epping, NH*





 *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
 Behalf Of *Gloria Arlette Rodrigues
 *Sent:* Tuesday, August 4, 2015 7:06 PM
 *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* Fwd: [AZORES-Genealogy] Finding S.S. Braunfels Ship List or?



 HI RICK,



 I HAVE LOOKED IN THE PASSPORTS AND FOUND MANUEL DOS SANTOS CARVALHO BUT
 THE NAME OF HIS WIFE AND 2 DAUGHTERS ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE
 KNOW THE NAMES TO BE. IN PASSPORT APPLICATION, MY

 GREAT GRANDMOTHER (Manuel’s wife) Margarida de Ressureicao, daughters,
 Erminia and Rita. OUR FAMILY KNOWS THEM AS, WIFE; MARIA ROSA, DAUGHTERS,
 MARY AND MAGDALINA. SO THAT IS WHERE THE CONFUSION COMES IN. HOW CAN I FIND
 INFO. CAN I GET INFO FROM MY GRANDMOTHERS ALIEN CARD?



 THANK YOU RICK

 GLORIA



 Begin forwarded message:



 *From: *Richard Francis Pimentel rfrancispimen...@comcast.net

 *Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Finding S.S. Braunfels Ship List or?*

 *Date: *August 4, 2015 at 2:19:53 PM PDT

 *To: *azores@googlegroups.com

 *Reply-To: *azores@googlegroups.com



 *I take it you have a date and a ship name and need to look at the
 passenger list for the SS Braunfels. If they arrived at Ellis Island then
 it can be found on the Ellis Island website. Also is Manuel dos Santos
 Carvalho how his name appears on the ship index? In the passport records
 his name may be listed as Manuel Carvalho or Manuel dos Santos.*



 *Rick*



 *Richard Francis Pimentel*

 *Epping, NH*





 *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com
 azores@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *suchislife55
 *Sent:* Tuesday, August 4, 2015 11:54 AM
 *To:* Azores Genealogy
 *Cc:* Gloria Rodrigues
 *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Finding S.S. Braunfels Ship List or?



 Would greatly appreciate any info!! My great grandfathers name Manuel dos
 Santos Carvalho is in ship index with wife and 3 children. One of the
 children was my grandmother. Trying to find more info on her parents and
 siblings besides the census. Tried numerous times searching the passport
 application from Ponta Delgada, Angra and Horta. Found Manuel dos Santos
 Carvalho (in Ponta Delgada passports) but the names with his is not my
 grandmother, her mother or siblings. Names are not even close to what we
 know. Would anybody know how I could get the S.S. Braunfels ship list of
 all names on that ship or is there another way I could find them? Just the
 other day my cousin was looking in her mothers box of papers and found my
 grandmothers ALIEN REGISTRATION RECEIPT CARD. Is there a way to find info
 with her alien card? It is a duplicate card and her