[AZORES-Genealogy] Microfilm

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Cheri,
Last time I attended the Azores Genealogy Conference (years ago)you reminded us 
to order the film for the various villages that we needed for our research.  I 
remember you sent an email out on how to look up the reference numbers and how 
to order the film.  Could you give me that information again? I cannot find my 
copy of that posting. Thanks Doreen Caetano

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Anyone else matching to Basque from the population finder test from Ftdna

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I handle the DNA records for several relatives and I had one relative that was noted as Basque. -Original Message-
From: Antonio Faria 
Sent: Mar 10, 2014 5:34 PM
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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Anyone else matching to Basque from the population finder test from Ftdna

The European portion of my population finder results match equally to Basque/Spanish is anyone else matching to Basque. From what I have read the Basques are somewhat unique genetically, and I thought I would have a clear match to Spanish because it the population most similar genetically to Portuguese people.



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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Two ship manifests from Sao Miguel

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I have no proof of the following but it is just a suggestion: If the ship 
picked up people from the islands in the same order every time then 
inter-island traveling would be impossible without going to the final 
destination (making the whole round trip). If they reverse their order on the 
return trip them could pick up passengers/goods (as room allowed) just 
traveling from one island to another without making the whole trip to the USA, 
Brazil, etc. This is just a theory.

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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Two ship manifests from Sao Miguel

The more stops the ship made probably likened it more to purgatory for the 
passengers, than a sightseeing trip. Most Azorians were not wealthy and so 
were berthed in steerage. Anyone that travelled that way would probably tell 
you that it was chaotic with entire families packed in to small quarters. 
Depending on the timeframe and the ship they travelled on, they may not have 
even been allowed on deck. The Peninsular was mainly a passenger ship which 
likely only carried cargo incidental to the voyage. So, it was more likely 
that the reason for the stops at the various islands was to pick up more 
passengers - somewhat akin to a train that stops at every small town on the 
way to its ultimate destination. Anyway, that's my story and I'm sticking with 
it :) 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sousa genealogy in Altares,terceira

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My maternal grandfather's family was from Altares and Raminho. I'm presently working on Berbereia and Ormonde family lines. If you see this names let me know because I have more information.-Original Message-
From: "Dr. James Pedreiro" <jpedrei...@gmail.com>
Sent: Feb 1, 2014 12:09 PM
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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sousa genealogy in Altares,terceira

Hi Doreen, Thanks for that info. if its our family. The contact im thinking was my aunt mary labandeira who past away last year. Maria Sousa (faustino) was my grandmother and past away 12/13/1997. would you have more info on the families going back in time?
On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 10:33 AM, rondo ranch ro...@lightspeed.net wrote:
I have in my family tree information a couple Manuel Sousa married to Isabel Cardoso with a daughter Maria Lordes Sousa that was born in Altares and lived in Lemoore, CA. This information was provide by Maria Lordes's daughter before her death. This family was from Altares but the lady I spoke to was living in Hanford, CA. I have BC the family member that has an email account. I'm hoping he contacts you directly. Doreen Caetano
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James,Those records are online at: www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/ig. 
Once the site loads you will see pictures of the islands, click on the white dot 
for Angra (to the bottom of the Island). Once the next page loads, you will see 
three boxes—the first says Terceira, the second should says Angra, click on the 
arrow next to the 3rd box and a list of the village will appear. Click on 
“Altaras. Look at the bottom list and click on “baptismos” and “procurar” You 
will then see a list of dates, the one you want is 1900—1911, click on “ver”. 
Scroll down to 1906 and go to the Image #11, your grandmothers baptisms starts 
on the bottom of the righthand page, document #25 and then continues onto the 
next image, #12. 

Good luck, 

Rosemarie 





From: Dr. James Pedreiro 
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 12:13 PM
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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sousa genealogy in 
Altares,terceira


Hi All,I'm starting to do research on my moms maternal 
side. My grandmother is Maria L. Sousa (b. 5/2/1906) in altares, terceira 
,parents were Manuel Sousa(9/1872?) and Isabelle Cardozo(2/1903?) Family History 
say possible relationship to francisco de Sousa (slave trader) my family has the 
nick name Shimbao or ximbao which they said was the name of the slave ship?. Any 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sousa genealogy in Altares,terceira

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I have in my family tree information a couple Manuel Sousa married to Isabel Cardoso with a daughter Maria Lordes Sousa that was born in Altares and lived in Lemoore, CA. This information was provide by Maria Lordes's daughter before her death. This family was from Altares but the lady I spoke to was living in Hanford, CA. I have BC the family member that has an email account. I'm hoping he contacts you directly. Doreen Caetano-Original Message-
From: rcapodc 
Sent: Jan 31, 2014 7:00 PM
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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sousa genealogy in Altares,terceira





James,Those records are online at: www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/ig. 
Once the site loads you will see pictures of the islands, click on the white dot 
for Angra (to the bottom of the Island). Once the next page loads, you will see 
three boxes—the first says Terceira, the second should says Angra, click on the 
arrow next to the 3rd box and a list of the village will appear. Click on 
“Altaras. Look at the bottom list and click on “baptismos” and “procurar” You 
will then see a list of dates, the one you want is 1900—1911, click on “ver”. 
Scroll down to 1906 and go to the Image #11, your grandmothers baptisms starts 
on the bottom of the righthand page, document #25 and then continues onto the 
next image, #12. 

Good luck, 

Rosemarie 





From: Dr. James Pedreiro 
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 12:13 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com 
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sousa genealogy in 
Altares,terceira


Hi All,I'm starting to do research on my moms maternal 
side. My grandmother is Maria L. Sousa (b. 5/2/1906) in altares, terceira 
,parents were Manuel Sousa(9/1872?) and Isabelle Cardozo(2/1903?) Family History 
say possible relationship to francisco de Sousa (slave trader) my family has the 
nick name Shimbao or ximbao which they said was the name of the slave ship?. Any 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] help with Raminho Baptism that does not follow the normal pattern

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Thanks-Original Message-
From: Margaret Vicente <margaretvice...@gmail.com>
Sent: Jan 26, 2014 12:46 PM
To: azores <azores@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] help with Raminho Baptism that does not follow the normal pattern

Doreen,Starting with the side note of record # 33 reads "um parvulo sem nome to sexo masculino" A parvulo without name of the masculine sex"There was a time when a just born baby was called parvulo and the meaning of the word may be interpreted differently today so I will refrain from giving it interpretation.
This is the record for a "rushed baptism performed by Andre Coelho Berbereia" starting on line 4, it reads: "Andre Coelho Berbereia, widower, proprietor, residing in this Parish baptized due to life endangerment an individual of the masculine sex whom he did no name and who was born in this parish" 
Margaret VicenteOn Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 2:32 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel rfrancispimen...@comcast.net wrote:
I see it now if I am reading it right Andre baptized the infant because of danger of death. It begins on the 4th line and on the 6th line is written por perigo de vida "life in danger".


FYI it also states Andre is a widower and a proprietor.

Rick

Richard Francis Pimentel
Spring, TX



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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of rondo ranch
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 12:28 PM
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Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] help with Raminho Baptism that does not follow the normal pattern

DO you know why my 2nd Great Grandfather signed the record?

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Sent: Jan 26, 2014 10:15 AM
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Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] help with Raminho Baptism that does not follow the normal pattern

It appears in the normal format except that the name for the boy is not given. I can't find the word which are in the margin note in my dictionary. May be someone else can recognize the words. I would check the obitos after this date (16 Jan 1884) and see if there is an infant listed with the parents' names.


Rick

Richard Francis Pimentel
Spring, TX


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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] help with Raminho Baptism that does not follow the normal pattern

Please help me with http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1880-1889/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1880-1889_item1/P108.html Entry #33. This Raminho, Terceria baptism does not follow the normal pattern. Could some one help me understand what this entry is saying. It involves my Great Great Grandfather Andre Coelho Berbereia who signed the record. Thank you Doreen Caetano.




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[AZORES-Genealogy] help with Raminho Baptism that does not follow the normal pattern

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Please help me with 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1880-1889/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1880-1889_item1/P108.html
 Entry #33.  This Raminho, Terceria baptism does not follow the normal pattern. 
Could some one help me understand what this entry is saying. It involves my 
Great Great Grandfather Andre Coelho Berbereia who signed the record. Thank you 
Doreen Caetano.

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] help with Raminho Baptism that does not follow the normal pattern

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DO you know why my 2nd Great Grandfather signed the record?

-Original Message-
From: Richard Francis Pimentel rfrancispimen...@comcast.net
Sent: Jan 26, 2014 10:15 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] help with Raminho Baptism that does not follow 
the normal pattern

It appears in the normal format except that the name for the boy is not given. 
I can't find the word which are in the margin note in my dictionary.  May be 
someone else can recognize the words.  I would check the obitos after this 
date (16 Jan 1884) and see if there is an infant listed with the parents' 
names.

Rick

Richard Francis Pimentel
Spring, TX


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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] help with Raminho Baptism that does not follow the 
normal pattern

Please help me with 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1880-1889/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1880-1889_item1/P108.html
 Entry #33.  This Raminho, Terceria baptism does not follow the normal 
pattern. Could some one help me understand what this entry is saying. It 
involves my Great Great Grandfather Andre Coelho Berbereia who signed the 
record. Thank you Doreen Caetano.

 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Luso American Education Fdn. Conference April 24-27 Berkeley CA. Joao Ventura Class Friday, April 25.

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Please forward me a copy. D-Original Message-
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Sent: Jan 21, 2014 12:45 PM
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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Luso American Education Fdn. Conference April 24-27 Berkeley CA. Joao Ventura Class Friday, April 25.

I just received the brochure for the 38th Annual Congress of Luso American Education Foundation and it says Joao Ventura will have an all day class on Friday April 25, 2014 starting at 8:30 am. The class and lunch are $40. If you would like a copy of the brochure to attend the conference and/orsign up forJoao's class, email me privately and I will forward it along to you.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Luso American Education Fdn. Conference April 24-27 Berkeley CA. Joao Ventura Class Friday, April 25.

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sorry, forgot to do it privately.-Original Message-
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Please forward me a copy. D-Original Message-
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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Luso American Education Fdn. Conference April 24-27 Berkeley CA. Joao Ventura Class Friday, April 25.

I just received the brochure for the 38th Annual Congress of Luso American Education Foundation and it says Joao Ventura will have an all day class on Friday April 25, 2014 starting at 8:30 am. The class and lunch are $40. If you would like a copy of the brochure to attend the conference and/orsign up forJoao's class, email me privately and I will forward it along to you.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Anton Souza Santos

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also epilespy.D-Original Message-
From: Cheri Mello 
Sent: Dec 30, 2013 9:58 AM
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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Anton Souza Santos

I know the definition of insane was different back then. I wonder what they were calling insane? Depression? Homesickness? Schizophrenia? Cheri MelloListowner, Azores-Gen

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Research for Hire

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I agree. He does a very professional job. The information provided is accurate and he gets the work done quickly. He is very reasonable priced too. :)Doreen Caetano-Jungk-Original Message-
From: Karen Huffman 
Sent: Dec 19, 2013 10:52 AM
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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Research for Hire

Listers,Anyone skeptical about Joao don't be. I have used him and he is wonderful!!Karen Medeiros-Huffman
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 10:10 AM, joao ventura hero...@yahoo.com wrote:
Dear Listers,

For those that don't have the time, the patience, or just because they don't want to do their genealogy research, you can contact me to do it!


I am based in the Azores and cover all the islands. I research documents andprovide copies, transcriptions and translations of the documents.

For further information, please contact me privatly at: hero...@yahoo.com


João Ventura 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] GRACIOSA Researchers

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I'm interested. Doreen CaetanoJungk-Original Message-
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Sent: Oct 29, 2013 5:34 AM
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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] GRACIOSA Researchers






Hi!!!If you are researching in GRACIOSA (o n l y G r a c i o s a), please send a private email to me in order to set a Graciosa Researcher List. I will send back the list to everyone interested on this topic.Thank youEliseu Pacheco da Silva



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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: FTDNA Conference - suggestions and stuff

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Thanks for wording this opinion so well. I too have the same concerns but did not know how to express them. I have several people that have taken tests for me but want me to protect their personal information. There are some individuals that would not want this information available unless they themselves volunteered it.  I feel uncomfortable since these relatives are trusting me to do my best to protect their information and use my discretion as to what to share and what not to share. I value their trust and I'm hoping other relatives will also trust FTDNA and get tested. Also I'm not seeing how "not having" this information available would stop someone from finding common ancestors but I have very little experience with DNA and Genealogy so I yield to the experts and professionals reasoning on this matter. Thanks again, Doreen CaetanoJungk-Original Message-
From: Nancy Couto 
Sent: Oct 11, 2013 10:25 AM
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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: FTDNA Conference - suggestions and stuff

I don't want to be the only objector, but I do have some reservations about suggestion #1. When I saw that FTDNA was showing Population Finder results for all matches, my first reaction was surprise; I felt FTDNA should not have released this information without some sort of opt-in mechanism. On the other hand, I enjoyed playing around with the populations bar, and I have no objection to my own information being shown. Here's my reservation: I'm already frustrated with the number of people who post no information at all about ancestors or family surnames. If they're just too busy, or if they don't know how to post a GEDCOM--or if they're adopted and don't have the information--that's one thing, but I suspect some of them want to look and don't want to share. I'm afraid that the inclusion of this information, which is apparently perceived as very personal, even on an opt-in basis, might result in people holding back and refusing to share any information at all, or even refusing to take the tests in the first place.
What I wouldn't mind seeing is a more complicated opt-in mechanism that would allow one's Population Finder information to be visible only to those other matches who also opted in. But that's probably too much to ask.
Anyway, those are my thoughts, and I don't expect everyone to agree. And I'll admit I'll be happy if the Population Finder bar comes back.Nancy
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 12:37 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote:
Frank or JoElyne,Email i...@ftdna.com and tell them you'd like to see the Geo Ancestral Origins back as a setting option.


Cheri MelloListowner, Azores-GenResearching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada




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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Double First Cousins chart

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Try not only brothers marrying sisters but the sisters' 2 maternal uncles married their husbands' sisters. Double first cousins and first cousin and cousins once removed all in one family. Makes for interesting family reunions. Doreen-Original Message-
From: Cheri Mello 
Sent: Oct 7, 2013 5:35 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Double First Cousins chart

Repost for Marie, shantzre1 at verizon.net:I have double first cousins. I think Grandmother Theresa De Mello married Manuel FreitasHer brother Manuel de Mello married Manuel Freitas sister, Maria Freitas.It confuses people, especially the cousins.de Mello's are from Vila Franca. The Freitas are from Fayal, Madeira.Marie



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[AZORES-Genealogy] Maria Luisa (1757-1823) of Santo Amaro, Pico

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Good morning group, I was looking through my tree and noticed something 
strange.  I have a Maria Luisa (no last name) born March 19 1757 in Santo 
Amaro, Pico with no parents listed.  With that information shouldn't I be able 
to find her birth record and her parents' names? She died 1/10/1823 and married 
Manuel Ferreira de Morias September 13, 1787 all in the same village. Does 
anybody else have her in your tree? do you have parents for her? Thanks for 
your help, Doreen

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azores Pyramid Puzzle - Inhabited Earlier Than Thought.

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I'm not weighing in on whether this is fact or fiction but do know that scientists can date a structure. Joao's thoughts seem correct in the fact that we do not want to know the age of the rocks, that would only tell us age of the rock and not the structure. But scientists can date the age of a structure by deposits and weathering of its building materials and through time this area of science continues to improve.  If these structure have not undergone this type of testing maybe scientists are waiting for improved testing procedures to be developed. D-Original Message-
From: Tish M 
Sent: Sep 9, 2013 9:39 AM
To: "azores@googlegroups.com" 
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azores Pyramid Puzzle - Inhabited Earlier Than Thought.

Hi João,

Very well put. This will go into my Reference box where I store very well written emails.

Thank you,Tish

On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 2:47 AM, João Ventura j...@venturas.org wrote:

Hi Cindy.Addressing your points, and why I think this pseudo-science pyramids doesn't hold.Regarding continental drift, there is nothing to say.. The Azores are located on top of the rift between the North American, Eurasian and the African plates. There's no drift involved here. The rift is where the mantle is moving apart, and because of that, the mantle is thinner at that point, with lots of magma chimneys almost up to the surface. From time to time, one of those has enough pressure to release the magma into the surface, in the form of volcanoes that when dormant look like peaceful beautiful green islands. The geological time scales here are not compatible with continental drift being a factor. If you study the DNA evidence, you'll see that mankind started in Africa, moved into Europe and Asia, and only moved into North America (and then South) during a time when it was possible to walk from Siberia to Alaska (search for Aleutian land bridge). That's measured in tens of thousands of years. Continental drift is measured in much wider timescales (millions of years).

As to early discoverers, you have two options:1. Early discoverers, that find the place based on pure chance, and then leave, never coming back. There's evidence that such processes occurred with Europeans in North America at different points in time (Vikings, Portuguese and others). Granted, these are nice footnotes, but amount to nothing. They didn't populate the land, so the same land is up to be re-discovered by others. The same process may have happened to the Azores, as proven by their appearance in maps in the 1300s.

2. Settlement efforts based on know-how on getting there. For something like this, the discoverers have to go prepared, taking with them some supplies for the trip and early settlement, and most important men AND women :) To get to the Azores you need to have either repeatable random luck or the ability to know your location when sailing far from land. Ruling out the first one (which apparently enabled the Polinesians to settle Hawaii), you're left with having to wait for Prince Henry to found his sailing school in Sagres. Also, the Atlantic is not the Pacific. there's a reason for the latter's name.

A place like the Azores, once settled would remain settled. You have lots of fresh water, fertile earth, trees to build shelter and fishing boats. It's undisputed from the recorded history that the Azores islands were not populated at the time of their discovery by the Portuguese in the 1400s. Even if they were discovered before, those people didn't stay, they either turned back or went on and were lost somewhere else. The Canary islands, which can be seen while still seeing the African coast were settled before this time. Madeira and the Azores require more advanced sailing techniques and remained uninhabited until their settlement by the Portuguese. Note that apart from some references in 14th century (early 1300s maps), there's no evidence at all in the ground that those places were settled before. Even discounting that anything useful left would have been cleared by later settlement efforts, there's no trace of any Phoenician, Greek or Roman presence there. It seems idiotic to you, but you need to explain why the island wasn't inhabited by 1000s of native Azoreans on the arrival of the Portuguese and why they had to recruit settlers from mainland Portugal to colonize the Azores. You have a choice between two puzzles: why no one settled them (easy to explain) or why did all the pre-1400 settlers build only a couple of pyramids and then vanished without a single trace. The last scenario is so complex to explain that the simple explanation is that it never existed in the first place.

I'm fairly certain that these pyramids were investigated by the UNESCO scientists that declared them to be World Heritage monuments, and their association with the wine culture is well known. Those pyramids were built to protect the wine culture which was started by the early 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Maria Rosa Santos 1869-1950

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-Last time I visited the Taunton area, the local library had a Portuguese Genealogy room. In that room were index card for all the Portuguese people of that area. Maybe call them to see if they have anything on Maria Rosa Santos or this family? Doreen CaetanoJungkOriginal Message-
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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Maria Rosa Santos 1869-1950

Maria Rosa Santos was b. 1 Jun 1869 in the Azores (likely Pico), and d. 12 Oct. 1950 in Fresno, CA. She m. Joseph C. Bettencourt (b. 1865, Ilha do Pico, Azores; d. Aft 1928, Watsonville, Santa Cruz, CA) abt. 1885 and they had four children: Mary Silva Bettencourt, b. 16 Apr 1886 in Azores (likely Pico); and Fanny, Annie, and Joseph Muchado Bettencourt all b.1888 to 1896 in Taunton, Bristol, MA.I've been unable to find Maria's Azores ancestry, but have her husband's parents.I'm new to Azores research and need help in finding Maria's parents, grandparents, etc. These are ancestors of my Portugese mother, also b. Taunton, Bristol, MA and whose family settled in the San Joaquin Valley of California.



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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] HELP, HELP, HELP !

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I have her as my 10th Great Grandmother. I do not have any other children listed for Andre and Maria (her parents). Doreen Caetano-Original Message-
From: Shirley Allegre 
Sent: Jul 25, 2013 9:21 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] HELP, HELP, HELP !






Doug: Is Simao the child of Andre Alvares X 
Maria Pestana?? I don't have any info on them.
I descend from Andre X Maria's child: Beatris 
Alves (my 7013).
Would you be interested in exchanging 
info?

Shirley in CA

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
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  To: azores@googlegroups.com 
  Cc: Danny Bertao ; Shirley 
  Allegre 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 7:11 
  PM
  Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] HELP, 
  HELP, HELP !
  
  Hi Shirley,
  
  Just a quick note.
  These are also my ancestors.
  
  Belfarto and Ribeira da Areia are the two lugars here.
  
  My line is from Simao. Which of their children 
  is your line?
  
  I see you cc'd Danny Bertao. I didn't notice these also his ancestors. 
  I'll have to look more closely.
  
  Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira 
  Genealogist916-550-1618
  www.dholmes.com
  
  
 Original Message Subject: 
[AZORES-Genealogy] HELP, HELP, HELP !From: "Shirley Allegre" shir...@digitalpath.netDate: 
Wed, July 24, 2013 6:42 pmTo: Azores@googlegroups.comCc: 
"Danny Bertao" ber...@sympatico.ca


Hello Everyone: I need some help in 
trying to read a marriage on 3 Feb 1613, in Santa Cruz, Praia da Victoria, 
Terceira, Azores. I tried to scan and email it to all on the list, but 
it came out too dark.

This is what I found, but can't read all of 
it.

DOM 
3 February 1613, (page 117 left 
bottom) 
in Santa Cruz, Council of Praia 
da Victoria, Terceira, Azores
7012 
Antonio Ferreira
(Antao Ferreira X Beatris 
Gonsalves)
SPOUSE
7013 
Beatris Alves?
(Andre Alves X Maria 
Pestana)
residents (Porto?) this 
freguesia
also Espirito Santo, 
Villa Nova
TESTIMONY?
Matheus? d Aguiar and Francisco? 
Cardoso Alves

#7012 Antonio Ferreira de Aguiar  #7013 
Beatris Alves are my direct ancestors.
If there is anyone out there that could look up 
this marriage, and tell me all that it says, I will be
forever greatful.

Any help will be appreciated. Thanks in 
advance.

Shirley in CA


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Lajes, Pico Baptism Records 1906

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So to understand what you are saying Jose Machado Joaquin was your 3rd cousin 3 times removed which means that my friend's (Mary's) Maternal grandfather was a 3rd cousin to one of your Great Grandfathers. Right? So her 4th Great Grandfather and your 5th Great Grandparent are the same person? What is the name of this person? MAry does not have email but I'm copying all the correspondence and giving it to her so her and her sister can talk and see if they remember the names. I have shared your email with her and will get back to you once I talk to her again. Have a great day. Doreen-Original Message-
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Doreen, 

Jose Machado Joaquin is my third cousin 3 times removed! I am cousins 
with your friend!

Marie Pleasant


In a message dated 7/19/2013 11:56:09 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, 
ro...@lightspeed.net writes:
Thank 
  you Eric and Gayle. This was very helpful. Now my friend has very nice 
  tree that almost goes up to the 10 generations. I think she will be very 
  happy. She has been wanting me to help her for years so she could give 
  it to her children. This a beautiful start for their family 
  history. I would not have been able to give them so much with your 
  guidance. Thanks D
  -Original 
Message- From: goodw...@aol.com Sent: Jul 18, 2013 5:00 PM 
To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Lajes, 
Pico Baptism Records 1906 Doreen, 

Go to 
this website:http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=Lajes;lang=en;p=jose+machado;n=joaquim;oc=1

I've enclosed an image of the 
page.

Gayle
-Original 
Message-From: rondo ranch ro...@lightspeed.netTo: azores 
group azores@googlegroups.comSent: Thu, Jul 18, 2013 11:02 
amSubject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Lajes, Pico Baptism Records 1906
I'm helping a friend start her family tree.  I have very little to go on and  
now there seems to be a large gap in the records for Lajes.  I'm looking for 
Mary Jo Joaquin born on 9/2/1906 in Lajes, Pico.  She is the child of Jose 
Machado Joaquin and Maria Rosa.  Jose Machado Joaquin was born 11/1861 in Lajes 
and his wife was born 2/1868 in the same village.  Jose is the child of Antonio 
Machado Joaquin and Catarina L. Macedo both born in Lajes on unknown dates.  
Maria Rosa was the daughter of Antonio da Rosa and Catarina da Rosa(?), both 
born in Lajes on unknown dates.  Maybe I'm reading the records wrong but there 
are not very many pages listed on the CCA site for this village at this time 
period. Can anyone help me get back on track?  Does any one know about the 
Joaquin family in Lajes? Thanks Doreen Caetano Jungk

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Lajes, Pico Baptism Records 1906

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Thank you Eric and Gayle. This was very helpful. Now my friend has very nice tree that almost goes up to the 10 generations. I think she will be very happy. She has been wanting me to help her for years so she could give it to her children. This a beautiful start for their family history. I would not have been able to give them so much with your guidance. Thanks D-Original Message-
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Doreen,



Go to this website:http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=Lajes;lang=en;p=jose+machado;n=joaquim;oc=1




I've enclosed an image of the page.




Gayle



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I'm helping a friend start her family tree.  I have very little to go on and  
now there seems to be a large gap in the records for Lajes.  I'm looking for 
Mary Jo Joaquin born on 9/2/1906 in Lajes, Pico.  She is the child of Jose 
Machado Joaquin and Maria Rosa.  Jose Machado Joaquin was born 11/1861 in Lajes 
and his wife was born 2/1868 in the same village.  Jose is the child of Antonio 
Machado Joaquin and Catarina L. Macedo both born in Lajes on unknown dates.  
Maria Rosa was the daughter of Antonio da Rosa and Catarina da Rosa(?), both 
born in Lajes on unknown dates.  Maybe I'm reading the records wrong but there 
are not very many pages listed on the CCA site for this village at this time 
period. Can anyone help me get back on track?  Does any one know about the 
Joaquin family in Lajes? Thanks Doreen Caetano Jungk

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Valverde, Madalena, Pico

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I trying to help friend connect with her past.  Her father was Antonio 
Rodrigues Serpa born 10/9/1893 in Valverde, Madalena, Pico.  Antonio's mother 
was Ana Luiza Perreira born 9/17/1855 in same place.  His father was Joaquin 
Rodrigues Serpa born in unknown location in Portugal. I have looked on CCA 
website and I think I found her father's baptism record: Madalena Baptism 
1887-1893 page 101-2 #42. Is there anyone working on this family?  Is here 
anyone familiar with this village?  I need help (probably in more ways than 
just this one:))Thanks Doreen CaetanoJungk

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Lajes, Pico Baptism Records 1906

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I'm helping a friend start her family tree.  I have very little to go on and  
now there seems to be a large gap in the records for Lajes.  I'm looking for 
Mary Jo Joaquin born on 9/2/1906 in Lajes, Pico.  She is the child of Jose 
Machado Joaquin and Maria Rosa.  Jose Machado Joaquin was born 11/1861 in Lajes 
and his wife was born 2/1868 in the same village.  Jose is the child of Antonio 
Machado Joaquin and Catarina L. Macedo both born in Lajes on unknown dates.  
Maria Rosa was the daughter of Antonio da Rosa and Catarina da Rosa(?), both 
born in Lajes on unknown dates.  Maybe I'm reading the records wrong but there 
are not very many pages listed on the CCA site for this village at this time 
period. Can anyone help me get back on track?  Does any one know about the 
Joaquin family in Lajes? Thanks Doreen Caetano Jungk

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Finder DNA idea

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Cheri, Thanks for the guidence. Your help is very much appreciated. Doreen
-Original Message- From: Cheri Mello Sent: Jul 2, 2013 5:38 PM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Finder DNA idea 

Doreen,Some of those distant matches seem to be not right at all. The only thing I can think of is that someone has the surname of Miller (or something Anglicized) and they find something in the British Isles and their research is wrong.I try to connect with those who have the most centoMorgans or have large blocks. I'll get to the 5th - Distant level if I see some relevant. I'm not going to bother if their trees don't seem to have anything in common with mine.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Finder DNA idea

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What does not make sense is that I have distant matches for people who are not even Portuguese. So do my relatives and they are not they same people. ? I have tried to determine where the connectionsareand some of these people have very complete trees and are not Portuguese. -Original Message- From: p...@dholmes.com Sent: Jul 1, 2013 10:04 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Finder DNA idea 
Hi Cheri, Rick and Pam,

I just had an idea that could greatly help us with Azores ancestry in regards this Family Finder test.

Next chance you get, talk to the owner of FTDNA and try to convince him to make a new option.

It would be great to compare anyone else who has tested with the Chromosome Browser. Just enter in their kit number for the comparison.

The reason is that I find it hard to believe there would be no matching segments between my results and those of Doreen and her two cousins who tested. I have already proven we are related on paper. Sure, the amount of DNA we share falls below the threshold of 7cm. Maybe it's 6.5cm since most common ancestors were born about 400 years ago. But there are a lot of common ancestors. They just don't happen to add up.

What do you think?

While you're at it, maybe they can increase the options for 7th and 8th cousins, and more.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Who to test with Family Finder

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Doug, In testing Mel that was my attempt to get just Raminho/Altares.I figured that that would isloate my maternal grandfather's side but Mel was a distant match to my double cousin who does not havelineage from Raminho. Both of his parents are from Raminho and have no Agualva connection.Buttheyhave matches with people who are not even Portuguese. I believe the conneciton between these two cousins that should not share matches comes from where we all share the following common distant great-grandparents: Joao Martins Faleiro  Catarina Gomes de Antona of Ribeirinha (Mel's Great-Grandparents11 twice and GG12 twice, my double cousin GG11,GG12 4 times GG133 times), Francisco Vaz de Azevedo of Vila Nova  Maria Gomes Evangelho of Ribeirinha (Mel's GG8 twice, my double cousins GG8, GG10 3 times)or/and Andre Afonso and Isabel Lucas of Vila Nova (Mel's GG10 and my double cousin GG9 times and GG10 7 times). All are from Terceira. This must be the the connection that is showing up I have another cousin that has tested that has Agualve and Raminho lineage butshouldnot share the Ribeirinha connection. I still need to meet with that side of the family to compare the matches. Doreen
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Since I did my sons, with not many matches. I would do the oldest person possibly since its 200 years back. Meaning I should have test my ex husbands grandmother who is 94 yrs old instead of my son. Then possibly more matches that would confirm what my paper trail does.

On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 6:23 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel rfrancispimen...@comcast.net wrote:



I wish I could test them all but when I decide who to test and what test needs to be taken I try and get the biggest bang for my buck. It is going to be interesting to see what the results are going to be when the FF on my dad’s cousin comes in. I am thinking of doing a FF on myself and compare it to my sister. (along with my dad and his cousin) The thing is we know that some get more of some DNA than others but my experience with testing two people that are related in some form is limited. My sense tells me not to bet on the three legged horse in a horserace.



Rick

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Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Who to test with Family Finder





Hi Richard,



Your logic is sound, but I don't know if it really matters.

The reason is that there is no telling how much DNA any one person gets. Just like you are not going to get the same DNA as all your siblings.



So the answer, I think, is test them all. The more, the merrier.



One thing that seems sure to me is that since my father doesn't show as Doreen's cousin, even though we are related in so many different ways from all four sides of her grandparents, nobody in my generation can show as related, either. We simply didn't get that same DNA. 



But if she were to test her father or mother or any other sibling, then maybe one of those could show as related. But if her mother and father were tested and don't show as related to my father, then she and all her siblings would also be ruled out. If her parents didn't get that DNA, then none of their children could, either.



In my case, Sandra Valine Dauer shows as related to both me and my father. But there is no guarantee that any or all my siblings would show as related to her. I might be the only one in my generation who got that particular matching DNA from my father.



My nephew I think will be tested for Family Finder and it will be interesting if some particular DNA from his Azorean ancestry has carried down to him. And it will be interesting if it will be from Pico or Terceira. I'm not sure I will be able to distinguish it, but it will only be possible because of matches with others from Pico and/or Terceira. I have the feeling he will get a little from both.



In further answer to Doreen, I have some relatives who are direct maternal descendants from my ancestors from Chile and I would like to convince some of them to be tested. They also have some Piedade, Pico ancestors, and most of my same Terceira, but none of my ancestors from Sao Roque do Pico. The reason this could be useful to me is that I have effectively eliminated my S.Roque grandmother's entire line. Any match MUST be from Piedade or Terceira.



I could find other relatives that have no Piedade, Pico and my Terceira ancestry. They would ONLY have my Sao Roque ancestry. So in this way, they are being used to eliminate and therefore distinguish which side and hopefully which ancestors are responsible for the matching DNA.



You might pick cousins from your Agualva ancestry, but who don't also have the 

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Who to test with Family Finder

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Thanks Richard, so I should continue to test first cousins just ones that are one removed. I was think of trying to test uncles but since all sides of my tree are related back about 10 generations, through the people I mentioned in the previous email, they will show up are related. Right? Doreen
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Hi Doreen, 

This is part of what I posted last week

 “I then realized that there was a way to sort out the two sides of the family by doing another family finder test. What I needed to do was test one of my dad’s 1st cousins. This was a big challenge. As my dad is 93 and most of his cousins are now gone. One of his cousins I ruled out because both his parents were related to my dad’s parents. (Brother  Sister marrying Sister and Brother). Two other living 1st cousins were also 100% Azorean from Sao Miguel so there was a clear chance that there could be some crossover DNA. On my last trip to New England I attended a funeral of one of my Dads Cousins and with a sense of purpose I talked with his youngest 1st Cousin about DNA Testing. This cousin was the perfect candidate for testing as her father was my dad’s Uncle (100% Azorean from Ribeira Grande Area) and her mother was 100% French Canadian so there was no chance of crossover of the two sides. I ordered a Family Finder test for her and it is now at the lab being processed.

When I get the results back I will be able to sort the matches.

All matches that are on both Family Finder tests (my Dads and his 1st Cousin) are from my Grandfathers family in Ribeira Grande.

All matches that are on my Dads Family Finder test that are not on his 1st Cousins are from my Grandmothers family in Bretanha  Ponta Delgada.”

Is this what you had in mind? 

First off I would do the same generation in other words 1st Cousin or 2nd Cousins, by using a first cousin and a first cousin once removed you are going to skew the results. The one further up on the tree may not show matches of the one further down on the tree on the same line.

If you can do what I did above you will have some clear matches that you can attribute to one or the other person tested. If all you have are from one Island such as Sao Miguel I would try to use people from different villages such as Mosteios and Achada that would lessen the chances of any crossover. If you are dealing with any of the smaller islands then the chances of crossover is much greater. I hope that helps in choosing who to test.

Rick

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Who to test with Family Finder

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Thanks for the info Cheri. I had not been getting the testee trees before testing. (Some do not have complete trees for both side). I was just going on what they said then construction tree after the test for their GEDcom tree later. From now on I will get completed trees before testing. Doreen 
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Doreen CJ,Yes, FTDNA says that the Family Finder goes back 5 generations. But it's more like 200 years back from the birth of the testee.Having the same people in your DNA make up will mess up the prediction. Shirley Allegre and I are cousins 12? different ways - something like that. Because we kept getting the same DNA over and over again, she was predicted as a closer cousin than she really was (I marked her as a 4th cousin because that's the closest). I did get a DNA match the other day from a 1696 ancestor (I'm born 1964). My DNA should go back to about the 1760s. The reason I got that match was that there was an American cousin marriage and my dad passed down most of that particular DNA intact. I'm not entirely sure what you mean by isolating the genes. Eventually, you'll be able to phase data if you have tested a person and their parents (or do partial phasing if you tested the person and 1 parent). If you meant by isolating the LINES, then you'd have to pick a cousin that does NOT come from ANY of the intermarried lines. You'd have to have that cousin's pedigree back about 200 years on ALL lines to make sure that cousin DOESN'T come from any of those intermarriages.If your goal is to balance out cousins on your dad's side versus your mom's side, you could do that. If you want to see how, say, a 4th cousin on paper plays out in the DNA world, then test that cousin. I don't know how much that helps. If it gives you any idea on clarifying your goal, then I guess I did help!
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Who to test with Family Finder

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I'm trying to figure out who to test.  I have several double cousins in the 
family and when we get back to the 10th Great-Grandparents all sides of my 
family share some of the same people multiple times.  Since the DNA Family 
finder test only goes back to the 5th generation I should be able to utilize 
the family that I'm not related to in multiple ways to isolate the genes from 
the different sides of the family.  Right? So far I have tested: myself (a 
female), My cousin who is a first cousin and a first cousin once removed (a 
male who shares all of my paternal side and my mother's mother's side through 
his father), My cousin who is a first cousin once removed (a male who shares my 
mother's father's side but his parents were cousins) and my first cousin (a 
male on my maternal side.  Who do I test? More people on my father's side, 
mother's side or do I try to get cousins that are more distantly related to 
me?? Thanks for your help and have a great day, Doreen CaetanoJungk

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Exhibit: Azorean Farmers in California’s Central Valley – Community

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I too discovered this exhibit when Joao Ventura had his genealogical workshop in the museum's theater this last spring.There is also a video about the Azorean Farmers that can be viewed in the theater. Doreen Caetano
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Thanks for posting the article. The Jose Machado Silva mentioned is my grandfather. The exhibit is great and well worth seeing if you are in the area.

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Here is another interesting story to read and to check out if you ever find yourself in the Visalia area: 

http://portuguese-american-journal.com/exhibit-azorean-farmers-in-californias-central-valley-community/

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: DNA match

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Unsure at this time. -Original Message- From: seekg...@aol.com Sent: Jun 26, 2013 12:12 PM To: ro...@lightspeed.net, Azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: DNA match 
Hi Doreen,

I am fifth cousins to Sandra Valin and am related to her through her father, Clarence Vieira Valim's line. I see that you are related to her and so is Doug. Are you related to her father's line or only her mother's side?


In a message dated 6/20/2013 11:06:32 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, ro...@lightspeed.net writes:

All from Pico:
Santa Amaro- Machado da Costa Gato, da Costa, da Silva, Pereira da Sivla, Vieira da Silva Cardoso, Pereira Soares, Ferreira de Morais, Pereira, Ferreira, Silveira, Vieira Paulo, Pereira da Silveira, Cardoso Nunes, Nunes do Amaral. Cardoso, Quaresma, da Silveira, Vieira, Vieira Cardoso, Goncalves, de Olivares, Soares, Pereira de Olivares, Vieira Soares, Paulo, Leal Pereira, Leal Pereira, de Valenca, Alvares Pereira.
Sao Roque do Pico- Cardoso Ventura, Cardoso Vieira, Rodrigues Vieira, Vieira Marques, Jorge, dos Ramos de Fraga, de Fraga, dos Santos, dos Ramos Ferreira Alvernaz, Ferriera Alvernaz, Cardoso, Ventura, Ferreira, Fernandes, Vieira, Marques, Gomes, Martins Teixeira, Martins, Duarte, da Costa Jorge, de Sousa, Dias Viera, de Barros,Dias, Soares, de Alvernaz, Alvares, Alvernaz, Martins Cardoso, Quadrado, Luis Goncalves Mourato.
Lajes- Alves de Amaral, Gaspar, alves, Cardoso, Vieira,Vieira Alvernaz, Monteiro.
Ribeira- Silveira
Santa Barbara- Silveira
Piedade- Machado Galhano, Vieira, Pereira
Hope this helps. Have a great day. Doreen
-Original Message- From: seekg...@aol.com Sent: Jun 20, 2013 9:58 PM To: ro...@lightspeed.net Subject: Re: DNA match 
Hi Doreen,

My tree is quite extensive also. I would love to find a new cousin. Most of mine are multiple combination surnames. It would be a little easier for me to find a matchwith multiple combination surnames. Can you give me those combinations? Adeus,...Marie Pleasant seekg...@aol.com 


In a message dated 6/19/2013 11:26:47 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, ro...@lightspeed.net writes:


Hi my name is Doreen. I’m looking to the DNA match for Joseph Frank Silva. You are a match. Most of our family is from Terceira Island so I went through the tree looking for family names from Pico. Here is what I have: Cardoso- Lajes and Santa Amaro
Goncalves- Sao Roque do Pico
Da Silva- Santa Amaro
Da Costa- Santa Amaro
Soares- Santa Amaro
Silveira- Santa Maro, RIbeiras, Santa Barbara
Vieira- Santa Amaro, Sao Roque do Pico, Lajes and Piedale 
Hope one is a match with you. Please let me know. I have an extensive tree that goes back many generations. 
Doreen
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cemetery on death record listed - but cemetery says not buried there

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I havecome across something like this and just recently they found her. At first no one had her record (church, Funeral home, cemetery, county)but thanks to a church secretary that finally found her baptism record I was able to get going in the right direction. I had already contacted the funeral homes and one time one secretary said she had it but when I went there to get a copy of the record, it was not there. I was looking fora baby that died only hours after her birth. I knew that there was no marker on her grave according to my dad and he thought she was buried in a different cemetery so did the baptism record. >From the baptism record I was able to get her death record. With the burial date and the correct cemetery I was able to finally locate her grave. I'm working on placing a marker on the grave. Keep working on it. It took me 5 years. Maybe have them look at the list of burial by date? This was the key to locating the baby's grave. Doreen
-Original Message- From: "\"E\" Sharp" Sent: Jun 20, 2013 9:02 AM To: azores Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cemetery on death record listed - but cemetery says not buried there 

Has anyone else run across this? I have a person whose death certificate says she is buried inthe cemetery and her name is on the family stone but the cemetery tells me she is not buried there. 

"E"
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Finder DNA match for Terceira

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I'm not sure if you are interested in my Berbereia lineage but I have several living males from the Berbereia lineage of Altares and Raminho, Terceira. One has already tested Contact me outside the group at ro...@lightspeed.net Doreen
-Original Message- From: p...@dholmes.com Sent: Jun 19, 2013 12:11 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Cc: Sandra Dauer Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Finder DNA match for Terceira 
Hi Sandra,

I haven't checked for a while and was pleased to log in and find three new matches from the past week for my father's Family Finder test. I didn't yet see if I also match them.

One match is your BERBEREA. I haven't looked at your Terceira ancestry for many years, so it was nice to see we found a connection. 

I found three connections, and probably more, but the closest is Sebastião Fernandes Borges, who was born about 400 years ago. My father and your Berberea tested are 7th cousins, twice removed. It takes my father two more generations to reach that ancestor, who happens to be the ancestor of probably all with Altares ancestry, but I didn't investigate that assumption yet.

We might have a slightly closer, or maybe the same degree connection with one of the many lines from Ribeirinha, Terceira, but as you know, the records of the 1600s there are either lost or have many gaps and it will take more research to find any confirmation.

Another line is Toledo, but it's even more remote - an 8th or 9th cousin.

If there is any closer connection, it could come from one of the many Biscoitos lines I haven't pushed back any further yet. I have them into the middle 1700s. Maybe one came from elsewhere and we could link up that way - or not. I will have to see if you show more on your gedcom and get back to you.

Since 6th cousin is the closest FTDNA shows, I am going to propose that. I didn't yet look at your gedcom to see if you even are aware of these ancestors - you probably are, since David Bertao did a terrific job doing your genealogy years ago.

While on the subject of BERBEREIA, I wonder if there is a living male descendant who could get the Y-DNA test, since that is a very interesting Berber family and I would love to see what shows up as to the haplogroup.

I have two more matches to investigate now...

Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Finder DNA match for Terceira

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On the way to California, my Grandfather (Antonio Coelho Berbereia de Ormonde of Raminho, Terceira) stopped in Brazil to visit with relatives. No one ever got the name of the the relatives I know that I have DNA matches in Brazil. I have not ben able to make the connection. doreen
-Original Message- From: Sandra Valine Dauer Sent: Jun 19, 2013 10:17 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Finder DNA match for Terceira 
Doug and Doreen
Yesterday I received the Family Finder results and amazed on how many newmatches I have received, including both of you. I have not begin to dug into the connections.My Berberea side in America is very slim, as my grandfather was the only one from his siblings immigrated to America (several went to Brazil). My Mom only had one brother and he had two children, both males.On my bucket list is to have my cousin Denis havehis YDNA test taken. This is so interesting. 






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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Francisco Ferreira Drummond of Sao Sebastiao Terceira

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Thank you John and Celeste for your very helpful information.Doreen-Original Message-
From: John Raposo <marra...@yahoo.com>
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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Francisco Ferreira Drummond of Sao Sebastiao Terceira

The mostexhaustive source on this subject is Genealogiasda Ilha Terceira by António Ornelas de Mendes and Jorge Forjaz, Vol. IV,pp. 21-132 as well as other sections in the multi-volume work.FranciscoFerreira Drummond, son of Francisco de Figueiroa and Violante de Utra Machado, §2Nº7, was born in Madeira c. 1580, went to Terceira and established himself inRibeira Seca, Vila de S. Sebastião, where he died in 1645. He was the taxcollector for the customs house in Praia from 1634 and served as a judge in1616, ’27, ’31 and ’40. He married twice:Bárbara Gato(Machado §3 Nº5) by whom he had 8 children; andMaria deLemos (Lemos §3 Nº5) by whom he had 5 children.Relative tohis parents, there is no documented connection to the Drummonds of Madeira,although they are accepted as connected to this family given the singularnature of the name which would not be used unless there was a connection. Theclaim of a connection to the Drummonds of Scotland by way of Madeira was madeby their descendant Francisco Ferreira Drummond (Annaes da Ilha Terceira, V. 1, p. 467 and Nobiliário da Ilha da Terceira, p. 308)If you needfurther information, please contact me privately.John MirandaRaposomarra...@yahoo.com____ From: rondo ranch <ro...@lightspeed.net>To: azores group <azores@googlegroups.com> Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 1:02 PMSubject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Francisco Ferreira Drummond of Sao Sebastiao Terceira I'm looking for information on Francisco Ferreira Drummond, who lived in Sao Sebastiao, Terceira but was born in approx 1580 in Madeira. He died in 1645. He had children with Dona Barbara Gato Machado. I did a on-line search and noticed that several people in this group a few year back were looking for information on him too. I was wondering what they had found. Thank yo for your help.Doreen Caetano-Jungk-- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com.Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores?hl=en.-- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores.  Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com.Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores?hl=en.



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[AZORES-Genealogy] Francisco Ferreira Drummond of Sao Sebastiao Terceira

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I'm looking for information on Francisco Ferreira Drummond, who lived in Sao 
Sebastiao, Terceira but was born in approx 1580 in Madeira. He died in 1645.  
He had children with Dona Barbara Gato Machado.  I did a on-line search and 
noticed that several people in this group a few year back were looking for 
information on him too.  I was wondering what they had found.  Thank yo for 
your help.
Doreen Caetano-Jungk

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] How Much did it Cost ~1900 ? (PACHECO)

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Betty, I have family in hte Lowell area.  We have a lot of lost years of 
history in this community. Where would be the best place to locate a newspaper 
article about an indutrial accident that claimed the life of one of my grand 
uncles?  This accident happened around 12/20/1906.
Doreen Caetano


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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] How Much did it Cost  ~1900 ? (PACHECO)

Hi again,

About 6-7 yrs. ago, I had done a lot of research on my husband's
grandparents, and I had enough pieces of information to type up an
informal report on them.   I sent a copy to his siblings and aunts.
Because I am now helping the cousin, I pulled out my old report to
find a .date. for them.(They had moved recently, and can't find
some of their genealogy papers.) I was just now browsing the first
few pages, and was reminded of some of the .possible.  ship
information.   (I've never had time to .search.  insistently for
that.)

When reminding myself of some of the notes,  and one of the family
stories,  I became curious how much it cost around 1890-1910  to
leave the Azores, and, for example, come to Massachusetts.

One family story is that Elzira Elsie MOURA came over at Age 12 to
work for a family in Boston (~1905),  and, when she had saved enough
money, she sent it back to her mother, so her mother and youngest
sister could come over.I haven't figured out, yet, whether the
other sister, Rosa MOURA, came over with Elsie or with her mother
~1910.And, I still don't know who Elsie traveled with.

(Their brothers seem to have married first and then came over ~1915.)

(Rosa married Charles PERRY in Cambridge or Somerville, MA;   he was
probably a PEREIRA.)

Betty  (near Lowell, MA, USA)


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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] MEDEIROS from unknown Island

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I'm very interested in your work on the Portuguese in Lowell. My grandfather's family lived there for a number or years. He has family buried in Catholic Cemetery. I plan to make a trip there in the future get more information. Please email me outside the group at ro...@lightspeed.net 
Doreen Caetano
-Original Message- From: p...@dholmes.com Sent: Apr 23, 2013 3:48 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] MEDEIROS from unknown Island 
Hi Betty,

Nice to hear from you. It's been a very long time since you told me about your project to document the Portuguese of Lowell.

If you didn't already do it, you can add my great-great-grandfather, Manuel Joaquim Leal who died in Lowell after an operation in 1886. He is buried in the cemetery in New Bedford, though.

About Medeiros, Hermano is probably right. That has always been my first guess when I run across anyone named Medeiros - that they came from Sao Miguel.

However, I mentioned a lot of them in Faial and Pico.
So the way I would approach this question is first to look at the other surnames associated with Medeiros.
You mentioned Miranda and there are a lot of Miranda in Pico, in the Madalena area. But of course, we have our illustrious list member, John Miranda Raposo, whose Miranda is also from Sao Miguel, probably Bretanha.

You also mention Moura, but it doesn't seem in connection with Medeiros. I have 49 named Moura in my genealogy program, a tiny fraction, and the majority seem to be from either the continent or Madeira, with some in Sao Miguel and some in Faial, one in Pico, and a few in Terceira. So that doesn't really tell me much, but I think Sao Miguel might have a great many using the name Moura.

On the whole, I would say your friend's Medeiros is most likely Sao Miguel. And since it's also more common for people from Sao Miguel to settle in New England, that's another thing leading to this conclusion. If this Medeiros family had moved to CA, then it might also mean they were going where their families had settled and Faial or Pico are better represented in CA when looking at percentages.

I would place a heavy importance on finding them as immigrants. Philip is far less common a first name than most and that is in your favor. Try searching passengers arriving in Boston, New Bedford and maybe also NY if the first two don't work. But look for Filipe de Medeiros (or maybe Filipe Medeiros).

I believe his arrival would be before the gap in passport records out of Ponta Deldada, Sao Miguel. So if you can find his arrival, look for the corresponding departure from Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel.

That should get you off to a decent start.

Boa sorte (good luck)!

Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618
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 Original Message Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] MEDEIROS from unknown IslandFrom: "Betty" bbffr...@comcast.netDate: Tue, April 23, 2013 2:13 pmTo: azores@googlegroups.comHi Doug,For several years, as I have time, I try to help my husband's cousin with his MEDEIROS / MIRANDA family-tree. (actually his father's cousin) He is more interested in finding descendants of .. Philip and Mary (MIRANDA) MEDEIROS, who reportedly had 8 children.The 1900 US census for Cambridge, MA, has Mrs. Medeiros as a widow, and having 6 children with her. The family migrated here in 1889, and the last 3 children were born here. It seems Mr. Medeiros died between 1895-1900, as he fathered a child in 1895. In 1910, only the 2 youngest, as teens, were with her, and I can't locate the older children.One side note is that I looked on census pages early this morning, and there were 4 other MEDEIROS families, almost in the same neighborhood, and arriving around the same time, including: Joseph, b1869, Frank, b1857, Victor, b1862. Mrs. Mary (MIRANDA) MEDEIROS was b1859. The problem is that most of them just say born Portugal.I'd like to help the cousin find his ancestry. Doug just mentioned that many MEDEIROS came from Faial and Pico. But, as far as I know, the cousin does not know where his Philip MEDEIROS, b~1855?, came from.Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA)P.S.About a month ago a very helpful researcher offered me information on my husband's ancestors. He said Mrs. Filomena (da ROSA) MOURA came from Horta, Faial, but her parents came from both Faial and Pico. She and Francisco MOURA also married there, and was told their children were born there. But, Francisco was from Ponta Degada, Sao Miguel.By the way, the surviving children were: Manuel, Elzira "Elsie," Ernesto "Frank," Rosa, and Carolina. (in that order) I read that Ernesto and Anna MOURA went back to the Azores during 1950's; is it possible they died there? 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help Getting Farther back on Primary Paternal line

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I do not know if this will help but I have in my tree the following:
Gaspar Camelo do Rego born on Sao Miguel, Azores and died January 22, 1624 in Santa Cruz, Terceira. He is the son of Goncalo do Rego Baldaia and Beatriz Camelo Pereira. Goncalo do Rego Baldaia was the son of Goncalo Vaz do Rego (born in Porto) and Maria Baldaia. Goncalo Vaz do Rego was the son of Joao Vaz do Rego and an unknown woman. Maria Baldaia was the daughter of Joao Alfonso Dinis de Beire (who was born in Porto) and Catarina Rodrigues Baldaia. That is the last this lone I have of that Baldaia name. I have more information regard Gaspar's mother's line if anyone is interested. 
I have another Baldaia in my tree: Afonso Goncalves de Antona Baldaia who was born in Porto and died 1481 in Santa Cruz, Terceira. He maried Dona Antonia Goncalves. They have 3 daughters in my tree who carry the "de Antona" name. There is a reference to a son name Pedro Afonso Baldaia in an online tree but I have no information about this son. my tree stops with this couple. If anyone is interested I can give the names of their 3 daughters and who they married.
doreen caetano

-Original Message- From: Altino Demelo Sent: Apr 7, 2013 6:05 AM To: "azores@googlegroups.com" Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help Getting Farther back on Primary Paternal line 
I have a Pedro do Rego Baldaia in my tree. He married a great aunt of mine named Maria do Lima in São Pedro on 4 Dec 1623. Her parents were Gaspar Rodrigues Limpo and Maria de Lima.

Pedro and Maria had joão do Rego Baldaia who married Catarina Falcão (Falcõa) .Sent from my iPad
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This is how far I've gotten back.

Manuel do Rego Baldaia
is your 8th great grandfather

Manuel do Rego Baldaia
son of Manuel do Rego Baldaia

João do Rego Baldaia ( - 1767)
son of Manuel do Rego Baldaia

Manuel do Rego Baldaia
son of João do Rego Baldaia

Manuel do Rego Baldaia (1772 - )
son of Manuel do Rego Baldaia

Jose do Rego Baldaia (1794 - 1843)
son of Manuel do Rego Baldaia

Jose Do Rego Baldaia (1817 - )
son of Jose do Rego Baldaia

Jacinto do Rego Baldaia (1839 - 1910)
son of Jose Do Rego Baldaia

Francisco do Rego Baldaia (1882 - 1966)
son of Jacinto do Rego Baldaia

Joseph Rego Baldaia (1923 - 1975)
son of Francisco do Rego Baldaia

Peter Joseph Baldaia
You are the son of Joseph Rego Baldaia - (not you?)
-- Peter J. Baldaia 
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cabral Famil

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I have Souza Man marrying a Caetano woman.  They lived in the Hanford, CA area.
D


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Sent: Mar 18, 2013 10:57 AM
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Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cabral Famil

My gg-grandfather was Jose de Souza who married Maria Ignacio, my
g-grandfather had several names so I don't know which is correct, it was
either Quitao, Caetano, and his buried name Keaton de Souza who married
Maria Fereira.

Thanks,

Gail

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They are common names in many parts of portugal. If you have the first names
I do have some information that might be helpful to you.

- Original Message -
 Hi Geneva,

My family name includes de Souza and Dias but I still haven't been able to
find what part of Sao Miguel they came from.

Gail E.

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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cabral Famil

Hi:
Is anyone researching the Cabral family from Sao Jose, Ponta Delgada, which
includes surnames of Dias, Pereira, da costa, de Sousa, Soares, Raposo,
Jose, Moniz, Cabeceiras, Francisca, Pimentel, Quarsma, de Arruda, Rodrigues,
Matos, Teixeira, benevides, Martins, Tavares.

Thanks
Geneva Cook-Gervais

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Brazil to Portugal

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Bom Dia Isabella,
I tried again and still slow. I have been trying from a school computer so it should be fast but maybe because it is a blog it may take longer? It is usual for the school computer to take a long time to download. I will try on my computer from home. Thanks for your help.
D
-Original Message- From: Isabella Baltar <myportuguese...@gmail.com>Sent: Jan 22, 2013 5:44 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Brazil to Portugal Olá Doreen,

I just tested the link to go to my blog and the link to São Paulo immigration, and they are both working well, no delays. Try again later, I think, maybe your server (the provider you use for the internet) is experiencing some problems. If it happens again, just let me know, and I will try to help you.

Good luck!

Isabella
myportuguesegen.blogspot.com

On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 8:19 PM, rondo ranch ro...@lightspeed.net wrote:


Ola Isabella
Presently I'm trying to complete some research in Brazil too. I'm trying to utilize the the link your provided but the web page it taking a very long time to download. Is this normal? Thanks, Doreen 


-Original Message- From: Isabella Baltar Sent: Jan 20, 2013 8:15 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Brazil to Portugal Hi Sandy, 

I have been researching Brazil for more than 5 years, and as many other suggested, Family Search is a great place to do your search.

I will also suggest you my blog, where I have specific links to some archives in São Paulo, Brazil.

http://myportuguesegen.blogspot.com/2012/02/immigration-in-brazil-ii.html

If you need any help please let me know.

Isabella Baltar
myportuguesegen.blogspot.comOn Thursday, December 1, 2011 8:52:51 PM UTC-5, Azores3886 wrote: 
I have my great great grandmother named Emilia dos Santos (Teotonio)who was born in Brazil circa 1888 and immigrated to Portugal sometimebetwen 1888 and 1915 and then immigrated to Taunton in 1916 and theneventually went back to Sao Miguel. I only found the mother's namewhich is Maria J Santos. The father's name was not mentioned on thepassenger manifest when she was coming from Sao Miguel to the U.S. Shedied circa 1972 in Sao Miguel. Her husbands name was Manuel JoseTeotonio (Theotonio). Anyone know any one I could contact to help mefind a birth record for Brazil or an death record for 1972. Alsotrying to look at census records for Taunton, Ma around 1916 or 1920.Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Brazil to Portugal

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Ola Isabella
Presently I'm trying to complete some research in Brazil too. I'm trying to utilize the the link your provided but the web page it taking a very long time to download. Is this normal? Thanks, Doreen 
-Original Message- From: Isabella Baltar Sent: Jan 20, 2013 8:15 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Brazil to Portugal Hi Sandy,

I have been researching Brazil for more than 5 years, and as many other suggested, Family Search is a great place to do your search.

I will also suggest you my blog, where I have specific links to some archives in São Paulo, Brazil.

http://myportuguesegen.blogspot.com/2012/02/immigration-in-brazil-ii.html

If you need any help please let me know.

Isabella Baltar
myportuguesegen.blogspot.comOn Thursday, December 1, 2011 8:52:51 PM UTC-5, Azores3886 wrote:
I have my great great grandmother named Emilia dos Santos (Teotonio)who was born in Brazil circa 1888 and immigrated to Portugal sometimebetwen 1888 and 1915 and then immigrated to Taunton in 1916 and theneventually went back to Sao Miguel. I only found the mother's namewhich is Maria J Santos. The father's name was not mentioned on thepassenger manifest when she was coming from Sao Miguel to the U.S. Shedied circa 1972 in Sao Miguel. Her husbands name was Manuel JoseTeotonio (Theotonio). Anyone know any one I could contact to help mefind a birth record for Brazil or an death record for 1972. Alsotrying to look at census records for Taunton, Ma around 1916 or 1920.Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ancestors from Faial and Terceira 1800s

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I had similar information and stories. He was very helpful. He is very easy to work with You can send him a check or use paypal. He emails the information and documentation back to you. If you have questions he always gets back to you. Doreen
-Original Message- From: p...@dholmes.com Sent: Jan 6, 2013 4:37 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ancestors from Faial and Terceira 1800s 
Thanks to my massive database, I know this Terceira family. :-)

Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Genealogist916-550-1618
www.dholmes.com


 Original Message Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ancestors from Faial and Terceira 1800sFrom: Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.comDate: Sun, January 06, 2013 10:29 amTo: Azores Genealogy Azores@googlegroups.comRepost for Peggy Magee, casamagee at gmail.com
I am very new to this...My Grandfather was born on Faial in 1968...The story is that he came to Boston as a teenager with someone other than his parents. His parents followed in 1892. His father was also born somewhere in the Azores. My Grandfather met and married his wife in the States but she was also from the Azores, the Island of Terceira. They are all buried here in MassachusettsI have found their graves. Where do I begin to research their lives before they came here. Can I just write to Joao Ventura with the little information I have and ask for his help? How do you pay him or arrange for his services?
Thank you all so much for any help you can send my way.
Peggy Magee 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Digest for azores@googlegroups.com - 19 Messages in 9 Topics

[rondo ranch]

Could it be Simas or Semas?

-Original Message- From: Kaylene Simmiss Sent: Nov 17, 2012 11:33 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Digest for azores@googlegroups.com - 19 Messages in 9 Topics 


Hello

My name is Kaylene Simmiss from New Zealand, and I am researching my family ancestors who are from the Azores.

It may be a real stab in the dark, but I am wondering if there may be some link between your Simeos (Simmons) family, to my family - our spelling is Simmiss.

I await your reply.

regards
Kaylene

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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Digest for azores@googlegroups.com - 19 Messages in 9 Topics

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Problem with Grandparents - please help with translation [4 Updates] 
Sat., Nov. 16, 7 PM: Tastes and sights of the Azores at Mission Oak HS, Tulare County, CA. [1 Update] 
Searching for Faial and Pico Simeos emmigrated to Fall River or New Bedford through Boston possibly [1 Update] 
Searching for New Bedford / Fall River Simeos roots in... [1 Update] 
NEPS site [1 Update] 
Searching for New Bedford / Fall River Simeos roots in Faial, Az and Pico [2 Updates] 
Ancestory.com...My relative but wrong information posted by someone else!! What do I do? [7 Updates] 
Graciosa Island Help [1 Update] 
Ancestory.com...My relative but wrong information ... [1 Update] 
Problem with Grandparents - please help with translation
Diane ddon...@bigpond.net.au Nov 16 01:50PM -0800 HiThis Baptismo (Maria) is a sibling to an ancestor Francisca Josefa.Date: 26 June 1756Parents: Lucas Teixeira and Theresa de JesusParish of Sao Mattheus UrzelinaOne set of Grandparents are correct as per other records:Manuel Cordoso Garcia and Maria Pereira.The other set of Grandparents should be:Manuel Teixeira Simoes and Maria Silveira - but i can't see them here.Can anybody please help with the translation of the grandparents.Thank youDiane Donnon

Diane ddon...@bigpond.net.au Nov 16 03:55PM -0800 Oops! here's the link.http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-URZELINA-B-1756-1764/SJR-VL-URZELINA-B-1756-1764_item1/P7.htmlOn Saturday, 17 November 2012 08:20:13 UTC+10:30, Diane wrote:

Margaret Vicente margaretvice...@gmail.com Nov 16 08:41PM -0500 Diane,The record reads:Godparents Father (Padre) Silvestre Machado. and Barbara daConceicao, daughter of Manuel Cordoso Garcia and Maria PereiraIt included the grandparents but names their daughter Barbara was theGodmother.Margaret Vicente.-- Margaret M Vicente

Diane ddon...@bigpond.net.au Nov 16 08:18PM -0800 Thanks for that Mara. So that means that the Godmother Barbara must have been the aunt of the new babe - and the sister of the bride? Now I see why the other grandparents are not named.I will look out for this format in the future.RegardsDiane On Saturday, 17 November 2012 12:11:23 UTC+10:30, Mara wrote:

Sat., Nov. 16, 7 PM: Tastes and sights of the Azores at Mission Oak HS, Tulare County, CA.
Katharine katharine.f.ba...@gmail.com Nov 15 08:58PM -0800 Just listed online, in case you'll be in Tulare County, CA., this weekend: "Tastes and sights of the Azores at Mission Oak High School": 11:55 PM, Nov 14, 2012http://www.visaliatimesdelta.com/article/20121115/NEWS01/311150015The Society of Portuguese-American students clubs of Tulare Union, Tulare Western and Mission Oak high schools on Saturday will hold a tasting event.The event, the 9th-annual Tastes and Sounds of the Azores, will be held at 7 p.m. inside of the Mission Oak High School cafeteria.The event will feature traditional Azorean soups, main and side dishes and desserts. Organizers of the event point to dishes like *sopa de lavrador*, a farmer's soup, *carne de porco à alentejana*, a pork and clam dish, and a salted cod fish dish known as *bacalhau* as favorites.Portuguese language students from Tulare Union High School will also entertain audiences with traditional Azorean dances.Admission is $15 per person and $7 for children younger than the age of 12. All tickets must be purchased in advance.For more information, contact Tulare Union Portuguese Language Teacher, Dennis Borges at 686-7611 or email at *d.bor...@comcast.net.*All funds will from this cultural food tasting event will be for scholarships and student cultural activities.

Searching for Faial and Pico Simeos emmigrated to Fall River or New Bedford through Boston possibly
Faial / New Bedford Simoes michaelju...@gmail.com Nov 16 01:40PM -0800 Possible 1909 emmigration aboard SS Cretia to BostonEmanuel Simoes (Simmons)Father - Manuel SimmonsBorn in Faial, AcoresOccupation – whaling ship cooperEmigrated to New Bedford Mass, USAMother - Francisca Emilia SimmonsBorn in Pico, AcoresFound a funeral prayer card for Frances Simmons, died 1/12/1954

Searching for New Bedford / Fall River Simeos roots 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree mechanics and design

[rondo ranch]

I have had some problems too so I contacted the company for help (twice) and both timesthey just wanted to reinstall. The first time the problem was the program would not show ancesters of my Great- Grandfather. so I tried retyping etc. The solution (that discovered on my own) was that the parents were not selected as preferred and that is why they were not showing up. So simple why didn't they have me check that first.Thishappen when I merged two trees, I believe the problem this time will be simple too. I just finished merging two large trees. It just does not show the information for me and my husband at the bottom of the page when you are on the family tab.If anybody has a sugestion as to what to try please let me know.
Doreen Caetano, researching in Ribeirinha, Agualva, Altares, Raminho and Brazil.
-Original Message- From: Pam Santos Sent: Oct 22, 2012 11:58 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree mechanics and design I have had Family tree Maker for years and latelty not really happy with it. If your tree getts too big you can't email a pedigree chart. It only allows 150 pages on mine even thought PDF has a max of 200. Twice so far it has changed people who were born in Oklahoma to New Mexico, I had to manually change about 200 people back to Oklahoma.
On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote:
Ralph S,Most genealogy programs have different choices or labels. You just have to know where to look. I know where to find them in TMG and Legacy, but I don't know where to find them in RootsMagic. But I'm sure they are there. They all have to compete with each other.

Cheri MelloListowner, Azores-GenResearching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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[AZORES-Genealogy] looking for information on Antonia de Jesus wife of Antonio Fernandes Leonardo

[rondo ranch]

This is a long shot but I have to try.  I have ran into a dead end.  I'm 
looking for information on Antonia de Jesus of Ribeirinha, Terceira.  I have no 
information on her parents.  She was the wife of Antonio Fernandes Leonardo.  
He died before 1805. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Doreen Caetano
researching Terceira 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] found him

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-Original Message- From: alrose...@aol.com Sent: Sep 27, 2012 7:00 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] found him 
Mike, I am happy for you! 

Mind telling us his full name  birthdate  his parents and grandparents from the baptismo that Joao found for you? Always looking for cousins from Cedros, Salao  Ribeirinha.

Al


In a message dated 9/27/2012 9:39:44 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mgilfilia...@gmail.com writes:
Well we found him finally
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel Botelho from S. Roque, island of S. Miguel

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I see that you live in Brazil. I need to do a small amount of research in Brazil, in the Santa Ann, Rio de Janerio and Sao Paulo areas. Do you know of a someone that canhelp me with my search?I would like to hire someone to search forrecords from about the 1850 to 1915. Before and after that time the relativeswere inthe Azores then moved to the USA. For my Azores research, I hired Joao Ventura. I found him to be very knowledgable and the costs were reasonable. I'm looking for the equilvalent of Joao in Brazil. Is there such a person? If so please contact me at ro...@lightspeed.netDoreen Caetano-Jungk 
-Original Message- From: mances Sent: Sep 8, 2012 12:25 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel Botelho from S. Roque, island of S. Miguel 
I found the freguesia where my maternal greatgrandparents were born in the island of S. Miguel. They were from Nossa Senhora do Rosario da Lagoa!
My maternal grandfather’s older brother Manuel Botelho de Lima married in Cravinhos, State of S. Paulo, Brazil, on 29 sep 1900, in a time period between 1898 – 1902 when an italian or maybe an italian descendant Priest, Giacomo de Petris, had mentioned on the marriage records the town and country where the immigrants where born. God bless him!
My maternal greatgrandparents José Botelho de Lima and Antonia da Encarnação married in N. S. do Rosário, Lagoa, island of S. Miguel, on 25 april 1877. José was born on 30 sep 1850 in Rosário, Lagoa, and Antonia da Encarnação was born c.1854 in Fenais da Vera Cruz, island of S. Miguel. The marriage records from Fenais da Vera Cruz are not on line, so I couldn´t find her grandparents yet. She was daughter of Placido Pacheco [de Medeiros] and Ludovina Augusta (or de Jesus) from Fenais da Vera Cruz.
José Botelho de Lima was son of José Botelho and Joaquina Rosa [de Lima]. The Botelho line goes back to S. Roque, and the Lima line (José de Lima and Helena da Conceição) goes back to Ribeira Grande and it is on the book Genealogias de S. Miguel by Rodrigo Rodrigues.
I used the Index of marriages from S. Roque by Ernesto Canto and found the grandparents of José Botelho: Martinho Botelho and Mariana Francisca. They married in S. Roque on 9 oct 1785.
Martinho was son of Manuel Botelho and Antonia de Medeiros (Antonia is from Agua de Pau). Mariana was daughter of Antonio da Costa and Bárbara dos Santos (Barbara is from Agua de Pau).
Manuel Botelho, widower of Luiza da Cunha, married Antonia de Medeiros in S. Roque on 19 aug 1758, and he died before 1785.
I really appreciate if someone who’s researching S. Roque, island of S. Miguel, could do a look up for me and try to find the marriage of Manuel Botelho and Luiza (or Luzia) da Cunha married around 1710-1720. I would like to know who are the parents of Manuel Botelho and if he is from S. Roque or not. Manuel and Luiza had children that married in S. Roque:Manoel Botelho Tavares on 17 feb 1749; Maria Botelho on 16 jan 1752; and Miguel Botelho on 15 may 1760.

Manoel Cesar Furtado
(from Brazil)
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Stuffing

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Thank you for the resource. Doreen Caetano-Jungk
-Original Message- From: ehsilve...@comcast.net Sent: Sep 4, 2012 1:43 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Stuffing 

This is his web site for those interested in good Potuguese Food.http://leitesculinaria.com/Emil SilveiraCurrently Researching:Names and Places;Avila, Horta,Angustias, FaialSilveira, Horta, Sao Salvador, FaialLeal, Horta, Angustias, FaialVargas, Horta, Almoxarife, Faial
- Original Message -From: ttcost...@aol.comTo: azores@googlegroups.comSent: Tue, 04 Sep 2012 20:31:47 - (UTC)Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Stuffing
David Leite includes a "stuffing" recipe in his book, the New Portuguese Table. I do not have it with me, at work, but I will try to remember, tomorrow.

-Trevor Costa


-Original Message-From: rondo ranch ro...@lightspeed.netTo: azores azores@googlegroups.comSent: Mon, Aug 27, 2012 1:53 pmSubject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Stuffing

Ok since we are not talking about true Portuguese recipes, there is one of my favorites. Deep Pit Turkey. Wash and prepare turkey with salt and butter or olive oil. Stuff with Linguica (stick cut in half or thirds) Place in a plastic cooking bag (Turkey size). remove excess air and tie end off with fastener. Wrap turkey in cooking bagwithseveral layers of heavy tin foil then place in a brown paperbag (sometimes it takes two to completely cover the package). Tie the package with string making sure you keep the package wrapped tight. Deep pit as usually or place in your oven at 200 degrees for 8-12 hours depending on size. The meat will be falling off the bone and will have a mild linguica favor. I serve both meats on the table for holidays. When you make a soup out of the turkey, the soup will also have that linguica favor.This is anew receipe thatI have made a a family tradition. Doreen Caetano

-Original Message- From: Mary Bordi Sent: Aug 27, 2012 9:40 AM To: "azores@googlegroups.com" Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Stuffing 
This discussion has reminded me of a cookbook my mom gave me (and other family members) years ago. It's A Portuguese American Cookbook, by (non-Portuguese) E. Donald Asselin, MD. the Forward and Preface seem to be missing from my copy, but I believe he was on the East Coast and much admired the food of the Portuguese community and so collected traditional recipes.

Here is one for Portuguese Stuffing:

Giblets from 2 or 3 chickens or turkeys
2 minced onions
1minced garlic clove
3 beaten eggs
8 slices toast, ground
1/2 tsp cumin
1 tbsp saffron
1 tbsp parsley
2 tbsp sage
1tbsp salt
1/2 tsp pepper

Boil giblets and save water. Fry giblets, chopped, with onion and garlic in butter. Add ingredients with enough broth to moisten.

Some cooks put aside and freeze giblets until sufficient have accumulated.

That's it. As you can see, it is basically "American" stuffing with Portuguese flavor. There is also a recipe for Transmontana Stuffing (has veal and pork) but my fingers are tired of typing.

I have not tried this recipe!I've mainly used versions of the Easter Bread Recipes.

The book was published in 1966 by The Charles Tuttle Company Inc. it has charming illustrations. You might find copies on used book sites if interested.

Mary


On Aug 27, 2012, at 8:49 AM, Sonia Pacheco spach...@umassd.edu wrote:



I don't want to turn this into a debate :) BUT while turkey is eaten in Portugal occasionally, and occasionally there is some stuffing inserted into a piece of meat (poultry, pork or beef) *stuffed turkeys* are not "traditional". There is NO traditional turkey stuffing recipe that was "brought over" from the Azores or mainland Portugal, what there are are American stuffing recipes that have been modified by Portuguese-Americans in the East and West coast to include "Portuguese" ingredients and seasonings. Coincidentally, linguiça and chouriço do not have the prominence in every day meals in the Azores that they are given in the East coast. They're an occasional food.


From: "mnk" kamis...@comcast.netTo: azores@googlegroups.comCc: "Tony Rodrigues" t.rodrigue...@yahoo.comSent: Monday, August 27, 2012 11:32:30 AMSubject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Stuffing
My parents were from Sao Miguel, and yes my mother made stuffing , recheio in Portuguese. I believe they used it on the islands to stuff roast chickens,but they did at one time raise turkeys on the farm in Salga. Pretty sure they ate them too!
On Monday, August 27, 2012 7:04:29 AM UTC-5, Anthony Rodrigues wrote:



Hey guys, one last request for a recipe, my Grandmother had a reciepe for turkey Portuguese stuffing that was to die for, I used to look forward to her stuffing, it was that great.

Does anyone have a recipe for stuffing from the old country, she came from Sao Miguel, Maderia.

Thanks in advance

 Tony
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Stuffing

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Ok since we are not talking about true Portuguese recipes, there is one of my favorites. Deep Pit Turkey. Wash and prepare turkey with salt and butter or olive oil. Stuff with Linguica (stick cut in half or thirds) Place in a plastic cooking bag (Turkey size). remove excess air and tie end off with fastener. Wrap turkey in cooking bagwithseveral layers of heavy tin foil then place in a brown paperbag (sometimes it takes two to completely cover the package). Tie the package with string making sure you keep the package wrapped tight. Deep pit as usually or place in your oven at 200 degrees for 8-12 hours depending on size. The meat will be falling off the bone and will have a mild linguica favor. I serve both meats on the table for holidays. When you make a soup out of the turkey, the soup will also have that linguica favor.This is anew receipe thatI have made a a family tradition. Doreen Caetano

-Original Message- From: Mary Bordi Sent: Aug 27, 2012 9:40 AM To: "azores@googlegroups.com" Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Stuffing 
This discussion has reminded me of a cookbook my mom gave me (and other family members) years ago. It's A Portuguese American Cookbook, by (non-Portuguese) E. Donald Asselin, MD. the Forward and Preface seem to be missing from my copy, but I believe he was on the East Coast and much admired the food of the Portuguese community and so collected traditional recipes.

Here is one for Portuguese Stuffing:

Giblets from 2 or 3 chickens or turkeys
2 minced onions
1minced garlic clove
3 beaten eggs
8 slices toast, ground
1/2 tsp cumin
1 tbsp saffron
1 tbsp parsley
2 tbsp sage
1tbsp salt
1/2 tsp pepper

Boil giblets and save water. Fry giblets, chopped, with onion and garlic in butter. Add ingredients with enough broth to moisten.

Some cooks put aside and freeze giblets until sufficient have accumulated.

That's it. As you can see, it is basically "American" stuffing with Portuguese flavor. There is also a recipe for Transmontana Stuffing (has veal and pork) but my fingers are tired of typing.

I have not tried this recipe!I've mainly used versions of the Easter Bread Recipes.

The book was published in 1966 by The Charles Tuttle Company Inc. it has charming illustrations. You might find copies on used book sites if interested.

Mary


On Aug 27, 2012, at 8:49 AM, Sonia Pacheco spach...@umassd.edu wrote:



I don't want to turn this into a debate :) BUT while turkey is eaten in Portugal occasionally, and occasionally there is some stuffing inserted into a piece of meat (poultry, pork or beef) *stuffed turkeys* are not "traditional". There is NO traditional turkey stuffing recipe that was "brought over" from the Azores or mainland Portugal, what there are are American stuffing recipes that have been modified by Portuguese-Americans in the East and West coast to include "Portuguese" ingredients and seasonings. Coincidentally, linguiça and chouriço do not have the prominence in every day meals in the Azores that they are given in the East coast. They're an occasional food.


From: "mnk" kamis...@comcast.netTo: azores@googlegroups.comCc: "Tony Rodrigues" t.rodrigue...@yahoo.comSent: Monday, August 27, 2012 11:32:30 AMSubject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Stuffing
My parents were from Sao Miguel, and yes my mother made stuffing , recheio in Portuguese. I believe they used it on the islands to stuff roast chickens,but they did at one time raise turkeys on the farm in Salga. Pretty sure they ate them too!
On Monday, August 27, 2012 7:04:29 AM UTC-5, Anthony Rodrigues wrote:



Hey guys, one last request for a recipe, my Grandmother had a reciepe for turkey Portuguese stuffing that was to die for, I used to look forward to her stuffing, it was that great.

Does anyone have a recipe for stuffing from the old country, she came from Sao Miguel, Maderia.

Thanks in advance

 Tony
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can't find him in ship list

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Another reason for the many spellings: Caetano is a Saint's name so the spelling will change according to the language. He is the saint for farmers, gamblers, the unemployed and bread. It is often used as a first name. He is still very poplular in South America. Many people in my family changed their names to Katen, Caeton, and Caton. Hopes this helps. Doreen Caetano-Jungk
-Original Message- From: Cheri Mello Sent: Aug 19, 2012 10:28 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can't find him in ship list Gail E,I think the most common spelling around the 1880s that I see is Caetano. But back then, not everyone was a good speller either. Not everyone is a good speller today! :)Go back to the website and start with the 1875-1883 records. Start at the end, in 1883. They could have immigrated Nov 1883 and the daughter born Dec 1883, so you need to check that too. DON'T read name by name. Look at the right hand page. In the middle, there's a column that say Destino (Destination). Look for the words "Hawaii," "Sandwich Isles,'" or "Sandwich" anything. And if he picked up his pen in the middle, it could look like "San dwich" or "Sandw ich" or anything. So don't skip over it if it initially looks like 2 words. Once you find a group going to Hawaii/Sandwich islands, then scroll left, looking for something that looks like Caetano da Souza , son of Jose da Souza and Maria Ignacio. Or Maria anything. And Caetano will be in his early 20s.Someone with Bob de Mello's book or the Knowlton book may be able to look up the entry for you (coming into HI). Also, you might want to check out Mel's Portuguese Hawaiian immigration site at www. yourislandroutes.com. She has an index to the book Portuguese Hawaiian Memories. That may give you more info.Cheri MelloListowner, Azores-GenResearching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Matches

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Hi Rosemarie,
I have a Joao Machado Teixeira born 6/20/1703 in Sao Mateus. His father was Simao Teixeira born 1675 in Topo, Sao Jorge and his mother is Isabel Machado of Sao Mateus, Teixeira. Simao's father was Antonio Teixeira and mother was Catarina Cardoso. Are any of these Teixeiras related to your Texeiras? Maybe this is the connection between Ken S. and myself?? Doreen Caetano-Jungk
Original Message- From: rcapodc Sent: Aug 17, 2012 4:04 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Matches 


Hi Jack, 

I will try to show the relationship but I’m really not sure how to explain the relationship! 

First of all, Jorge Machado Teixeira  Anna Machado Villalobos are my 6th great grandparents, Ken Silva’s and they are also Mary Bordi’s thru two different sons of this couple. The crazy thing is that it shows as 4th to remote to my cousin Ken who did the Family Finder for me and it doesn’t show on MY Family Finder test. I’m also 6th generation to Susan Vargas Murphy which shows on Ken’s but not mine! My only reasoning is that half of my DNA is from my Dad who is Italian and as Cheri has told us many times the DNA doesn’t shake down evenly. The GEDCOM that is up for myself and Ken Silva and Daniel Souza is all my family info and my contact info is on all three. The boys, both my cousins (Dan, 1st  Ken about 3rd on one side and 2nd on another!) are not interested particularly in genealogy but agreed to test for me. 

Lisa Turrentine doesn’t know the connection as yet because she hasn’t gone back far enough on her lines. Hopefully she will get back another 3 or 4 and we will see a connection!

I hope this helps some, I’m not real clear on why Ken has 5 pages of matches and I only have two except that he is Portuguese on both his Mom’s side (Souza  Avila) and his Dad’s side which is NOT Silva but Silveira de Azevedo and his maternal grandma is a Teixeira. 

Rosemarie 




From: Joaquin Mendonca 
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 12:54 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Matches


Rosemarie,Will you please state what ftdna gave as the relationship and what the paper trail gives as the relationship? Joaquin MendoncaOn 8/15/2012 8:45 PM, rcapodc wrote:



I am so excited that I am matching some of our members on the Google Group! Lisa Turrentine and Mary Bordi both are coming up matching me. Lisa hasn’t found the connection as yet but Mary and I both descend from Jorge Machado Teixeira  Ana Machado Villalobos of Norte Grande (early 1700’ ), Sao Jorge. Mary comes down from Jose Teixeira Machado and I come down from Sgt. Jorge Machado Teixeira. I have also had other matches that we have not found the connection to but when the others get back far enough in their research we will make it, I’m sure! 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] GEdcom 5.5 Tree

[rondo ranch]

No.  That was the first and only tree I have try to post.  I was having 
difficult with it until I discovered that in Family Tree Maker there is a drop 
down menu to select GEDcom 5.5.  After working this out everything went fine.  
Thanks for the reply.  When should I be expecting to hear about the results?  
Doreen

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Sent: Jul 18, 2012 7:43 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] GEdcom 5.5 Tree

Hi Doreen,

I just checked your account on Family Tree DNA and your Tree is posted. Is
it a new updated tree you are trying to post?

Rick
Family Tree DNA Co-Administrator
Azores DNA Project

Spring, Texas

Researching Sao Miguel Azores, Riberinha, Riberia Grande, Bretanha, Achada
Grande, Bretanha, Ponta  Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores.
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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
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Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 1:15 AM
To: azores group
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] GEdcom 5.5 Tree

As you can tell by my question, I'm new to the group and I'm trying to post
my tree so when my DNA analysis is complete it will indicate if I have
connection to people in the group.  I have created a tree that contains the
information I have back 10 generations.  Now.Where do I post this tree?
Doreen Caetano

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[AZORES-Genealogy] GEdcom 5.5 Tree

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As you can tell by my question, I'm new to the group and I'm trying to post my 
tree so when my DNA analysis is complete it will indicate if I have connection 
to people in the group.  I have created a tree that contains the information I 
have back 10 generations.  Now.Where do I post this tree? Doreen Caetano

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[AZORES-Genealogy] GEDCOM FORMAT

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Which format is better to post my tree: GEDCOM 5.5 or GEDCOM for FTM 16?
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Jose Machado de Castro of Ribeirinha, Terceria

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Almost all of my information is from Joao. He did not have this information. I'm hoping that maybe someone in the group is related and has the information I need. It is just like my Great Grand father Jose Cardoso Ventura who died in Brazil but I did not have a date. Someone in the family remembered that he died the day before her father was born( which was Jose's son). Thanks for the response. I'm hoping someone is researching the same linage and has the information. Doreen
-Original Message- From: celeste perry <ccgran...@yahoo.com>Sent: Jun 26, 2012 10:32 AM To: "azores@googlegroups.com" <AZORES@GOOGLEGROUPS.COM>Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Jose Machado de Castro of Ribeirinha, Terceria 

Doreen,
 If you check with Joao Ventura, I am pretty sure he has completed the genealogy for the entire village of Ribeirinha, Terceira. Celeste, Hayward, CA


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- Original Message -From: rondo ranch ro...@lightspeed.netTo: azores group azores@googlegroups.comCc: Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 8:48 AMSubject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Jose Machado de Castro of Ribeirinha, TerceriaI need to locate the death record for my Greatx2Grandfather Jose Machado de Castro. I'm hoping that someone has him in their tree and has his death information. He was born 5/12/1828 in Ribeirinha, Teceira to Jose Machado de Castro and Maria do Carmo da Cunha. His wife Maria Eugenia Machado died 11/23/1910 in a house in Fonte, Ribeirinha. Some of the family says that he died here in California but does not know the location or date. He died before 1910. Thanks for your help.Doreen Caetano-- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to Azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive.For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: San Leandro library CA helps preserve Portuguese historical newspapers

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I know that my grandfather came into the US around 1925 through the West Coast. 
 Family has said that it was through San Francisco.  I'm going to SF this 
summer.  Where should I look for information about his arrive?  

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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: San Leandro library CA helps preserve 
Portuguese historical newspapers

FYI, the link given to the online newspaper archive in this article
does not work. This one will get you there, more or less:
https://news.arcasearch.com/usmaums/

Unfortunately, the site is not set up to be very intuitive to use.
There are lots of pop-ups about special computer settings and things
you need to know. Good luck with it...

Steve

On Apr 30, 11:08 am, Eugenia eugenia5...@gmail.com wrote:
 Found this newspaper news story about *Portuguese newspapers* being
 digitizing: A Voz Portuguesa and 13 other Portuguese-language newspapers.
 See below for more information.

 The news story mentions about the Portuguese library, J.A. Freitas Library
 of San Leandro, CA

 Eugenia

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Maria Eugenia daughter of Antonio Goncalves do Couto of Ribeirinha Terceira

[rondo ranch]

I can not find my Greatx2 Grandmother's death record.  I was wondering if 
anyone in the group has her in their tree and if you do, do you have the 
information?  I know that she died after 1911 but do not know when or where.  
She was the daughter of Antonio Goncalves do Couto and Maria Eugenia Cardoso 
Toste of Ribeirinha, Terceira born on 4/22/1841.  She married Francisco Caetano 
do Canto on  11/25/1833 in Ribeirinha.  He died in a house on Rua da Igreja in 
Ribeirinha on 1/8/1911.  I believe this house is the same house that an 
unmarried aunt, her daughter Eugenia Candida, lived in until 7/10/1953 when she 
died.  She left the house to a niece.  She may have came to the USA to join her 
other children.  Some of the family thinks that her husband also came here for 
a while but went back to the Azores.  Thanks for your help.
Doreen Caetano

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Jose Machado de Castro of Ribeirinha, Terceria

[rondo ranch]

I need to locate the death record for my Greatx2Grandfather Jose Machado de 
Castro.  I'm hoping that someone has him in their tree and has his death 
information.  He was born 5/12/1828 in Ribeirinha, Teceira to Jose Machado de 
Castro and Maria do Carmo da Cunha.  His wife Maria Eugenia Machado died 
11/23/1910 in a house in Fonte, Ribeirinha.  Some of the family says that he 
died here in California but does not know the location or date.  He died before 
1910. Thanks for your help.
Doreen Caetano

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Francisco Ferreira Drummond

[rondo ranch]

My GreatGrand mother was Maria Balbina Ormonde her father was Jose Ferreira 
Ormonde.  Her brother was Jose Ferreira Drummond.  He lived in Lowell Mass. 
around 1920.  My greatgrand mother was born in Altares. Later the part of 
Altares they were from became Raminho.  Joao Ventura did my tree.  If you give 
me a little more information I could compare the two.
Doreen

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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Francisco Ferreira Drummond

Hello,

Does anyone in the group has descendents from Francisco Ferreira
Drummond, the historian from Sao Sebastiao, Terceira, and his
daughter, Adriana Emilia Ferreira Drummond, married to João Machado
Valadão?

I'm a great granddaughter of Francisco Machado Drummond, son of
Adriana Emilia. I'm doing research on this side of my family and would
like to make contact with other family descendents.

Thanks,

Isabella

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