Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Genoveva Inacia five children livng Almagreira(Lajes do Pico)

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> On Aug 9, 2019, at 7:10 AM,  
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> 
> Sandra I do not know if this will help but I might have some information. I 
> have a Genovera Ignacia being the child of  Jose Silveira Carvao de Brum and 
> Maria de Brum. I just messed up the database on this couple trying to type 
> the information into this message but I will recover it from what I have 
> saved to the cloud and get back to you. Do you think this is the same couple. 
> Doreen
>  
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> From: Sandra Valine Dauer
> Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2019 1:12 PM
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Genoveva Inacia five children livng 
> Almagreira(Lajes do Pico)
>  
> Thank you for your help.  I checked her daughter, Maria Rosario,  four 
> children baptism records from Lajes do Pico: Manuel 24 Nov 1901 list maternal 
> grandparents Jose Silveira e Genoveva Ignancia; Maria 29 Jan 1904 and Joao 08 
> Jun 1908 and Francisca 16 Dec 1906 only list maternal as Genoveva Ignancia.  
> Sandra Valine Dauer
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> On Sun, Aug 4, 2019 at 2:27 AM 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy 
>  wrote:
> Sandra,
>  
> Yes. It says illegitimate. Strange since baptism says natural. As for the 
> witnesses: Jose Maria Bettencourt, proprietor, and Jose Bettencourt de 
> Macedo, farmer. However, I’m on my phone so I hesitate to say with 100% 
> certainty. 
>  
> Gayle 
>  
> PS: Margaret is the true expert. 
> 
> On Aug 3, 2019, at 10:15 AM, Sandra Valine Dauer  wrote:
> 
> Sorry here is the link for the 1898 marriage of Maria do Rosario daughter of 
> Genoveva
> bottom right top left
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-C-1888-1899/PIC-LJ-LAJES-C-1888-1899_item1/P112.html
>  
> Thanks Sandra Valine Dauer 
>  
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> On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 9:56 AM Sandra Valine Dauer  wrote:
> Gayle thanks for the idea.  Here is Maria Rosario marriage record.  I think 
> it says illegitimate? daughter of Genoveva da Conceicao with no mention of a 
> Father.  Is this correct?  Need help with the lines after describing the 
> witness Jose Maria Bettencourt.
>  For Genoveva's daughter Francisca I have not found her marriage record in 
> California.  She first married Manuel Vieira Pinheiro, lived in Fresno 
> County, California had ten children, Manuel died 1922.  Next she married 
> Manuel Rodrigues aka Rodgers or Rogers.  Francisca died 1947 and is buried 
> with her first husband in Selma, Calfornia.
> Thanks Sandra Valine Dauer
>  
> 
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> On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 12:39 AM 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy 
>  wrote:
> Sandra,
>  
> This situation does seem unusual (at least to me. ) I checked with CITCEM and 
> that database lists the last three children with “pai incognito” so I went 
> back to the actual records and noticed that the last three were listed as 
> “natural” not legitimate children of Genoveva. I’m wondering whether it was 
> known or merely assumed Manuel Silveira Brum was deceased. If merely assumed, 
> maybe she couldn’t remarry. Have you looked for the marriages of the last 
> three children to see if a “father” was suddenly known or remained incognito 
> ? If known, who was he ? Sounds like fun figuring this out.  
>  
> Gayle
> 
> On Aug 2, 2019, at 9:11 PM, Sandra Valine Dauer  wrote:
> 
> Genoveva is listing as birth Mother and Manuel Silviera Brum as Father on the 
> first two children.  On the last three children she is listed a widow. On the 
> 4th child widow of Manuel Silveira.  Is the correct on the five records? 
> Anyone have similar ancestors where the Father is absent and or she is 
> considered a widow?  The links are listed below.  Thank you Sandra Valine 
> Dauer
> 1. Manuel bottom right top left No 18
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875_item1/P37.html
>   
> 2. Maria bottom left top right No 81
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875_item1/P113.html
>  
> 3. Joao bottom right top left No 84 
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875_item1/P215.html
>   
> 4. Maria Bottom right top left No 87
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1875-1877/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1875-1877_item1/P74.html
>  
> 5. Francisca Bottom left top right No 47
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1875-1881/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1875-1881_item1/P159.html
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Genoveva Inacia five children livng Almagreira(Lajes do Pico)

[doreencaetano]

Sandra I do not know if this will help but I might have some information. I 
have a Genovera Ignacia being the child of  Jose Silveira Carvao de Brum and 
Maria de Brum. I just messed up the database on this couple trying to type the 
information into this message but I will recover it from what I have saved to 
the cloud and get back to you. Do you think this is the same couple. Doreen

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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Genoveva Inacia five children livng 
Almagreira(Lajes do Pico)

Thank you for your help.  I checked her daughter, Maria Rosario,  four children 
baptism records from Lajes do Pico: Manuel 24 Nov 1901 list maternal 
grandparents Jose Silveira e Genoveva Ignancia; Maria 29 Jan 1904 and Joao 08 
Jun 1908 and Francisca 16 Dec 1906 only list maternal as Genoveva Ignancia.  
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On Sun, Aug 4, 2019 at 2:27 AM 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:
Sandra,

Yes. It says illegitimate. Strange since baptism says natural. As for the 
witnesses: Jose Maria Bettencourt, proprietor, and Jose Bettencourt de Macedo, 
farmer. However, I’m on my phone so I hesitate to say with 100% certainty. 

Gayle 

PS: Margaret is the true expert. 

On Aug 3, 2019, at 10:15 AM, Sandra Valine Dauer  wrote:
Sorry here is the link for the 1898 marriage of Maria do Rosario daughter of 
Genoveva
bottom right top left
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-C-1888-1899/PIC-LJ-LAJES-C-1888-1899_item1/P112.html
 
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On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 9:56 AM Sandra Valine Dauer  wrote:
Gayle thanks for the idea.  Here is Maria Rosario marriage record.  I think it 
says illegitimate? daughter of Genoveva da Conceicao with no mention of a 
Father.  Is this correct?  Need help with the lines after describing the 
witness Jose Maria Bettencourt.
 For Genoveva's daughter Francisca I have not found her marriage record in 
California.  She first married Manuel Vieira Pinheiro, lived in Fresno County, 
California had ten children, Manuel died 1922.  Next she married Manuel 
Rodrigues aka Rodgers or Rogers.  Francisca died 1947 and is buried with her 
first husband in Selma, Calfornia.
Thanks Sandra Valine Dauer


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On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 12:39 AM 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:
Sandra,

This situation does seem unusual (at least to me. ) I checked with CITCEM and 
that database lists the last three children with “pai incognito” so I went back 
to the actual records and noticed that the last three were listed as “natural” 
not legitimate children of Genoveva. I’m wondering whether it was known or 
merely assumed Manuel Silveira Brum was deceased. If merely assumed, maybe she 
couldn’t remarry. Have you looked for the marriages of the last three children 
to see if a “father” was suddenly known or remained incognito ? If known, who 
was he ? Sounds like fun figuring this out.  

Gayle

On Aug 2, 2019, at 9:11 PM, Sandra Valine Dauer  wrote:
Genoveva is listing as birth Mother and Manuel Silviera Brum as Father on the 
first two children.  On the last three children she is listed a widow. On the 
4th child widow of Manuel Silveira.  Is the correct on the five records? Anyone 
have similar ancestors where the Father is absent and or she is considered a 
widow?  The links are listed below.  Thank you Sandra Valine Dauer
1. Manuel bottom right top left No 18
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875_item1/P37.html
  
2. Maria bottom left top right No 81
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875_item1/P113.html
 
3. Joao bottom right top left No 84 
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875_item1/P215.html
  
4. Maria Bottom right top left No 87
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1875-1877/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1875-1877_item1/P74.html
 
5. Francisca Bottom left top right No 47
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1875-1881/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1875-1881_item1/P159.html
  
 


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Genoveva Inacia five children livng Almagreira (Lajes do Pico)

[Sandra Valine Dauer]

My final source for Genoveva Inacia is O PICO by Maria Norberta Amorim.  On
page 423-24 Fogo 332 Almagreira de Baixo list Genoveva Ignanica as a Widow,
age 63 children Maria age 11, Joao age 8 Maria R age 5 and Francisca age
2.  I believe these listings are from a census type report taken around
1882.
"O casamento entre Manuel Silveira de Brum e Genoveva Inacia realizara-se
19 de Fevereiro de 1859, aos 34 e 22 anos, respectivamente.  Baptizaram dos
filhos.  Em 25 de Setembro de 1874, Genoveva Inacia baptizava o primeiro de
tres filhos naturais, no estado de viuva."
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On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 1:12 PM Sandra Valine Dauer 
wrote:

> Thank you for your help.  I checked her daughter, Maria Rosario,  four
> children baptism records from Lajes do Pico: Manuel 24 Nov 1901 list
> maternal grandparents Jose Silveira e Genoveva Ignancia; Maria 29 Jan 1904
> and Joao 08 Jun 1908 and Francisca 16 Dec 1906 only list maternal as
> Genoveva Ignancia.  Sandra Valine Dauer
>
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> On Sun, Aug 4, 2019 at 2:27 AM 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Sandra,
>>
>> Yes. It says illegitimate. Strange since baptism says natural. As for the
>> witnesses: Jose Maria Bettencourt, proprietor, and Jose Bettencourt de
>> Macedo, farmer. However, I’m on my phone so I hesitate to say with 100%
>> certainty.
>>
>> Gayle
>>
>> PS: Margaret is the true expert.
>>
>> On Aug 3, 2019, at 10:15 AM, Sandra Valine Dauer 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Sorry here is the link for the 1898 marriage of Maria do Rosario daughter
>> of Genoveva
>> bottom right top left
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-C-1888-1899/PIC-LJ-LAJES-C-1888-1899_item1/P112.html
>>
>> Thanks Sandra Valine Dauer
>>
>>
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>>
>> On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 9:56 AM Sandra Valine Dauer 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Gayle thanks for the idea.  Here is Maria Rosario marriage record.  I
>>> think it says illegitimate? daughter of Genoveva da Conceicao with no
>>> mention of a Father.  Is this correct?  Need help with the lines after
>>> describing the witness Jose Maria Bettencourt.
>>>  For Genoveva's daughter Francisca I have not found her marriage record
>>> in California.  She first married Manuel Vieira Pinheiro, lived in Fresno
>>> County, California had ten children, Manuel died 1922.  Next she married
>>> Manuel Rodrigues aka Rodgers or Rogers.  Francisca died 1947 and is buried
>>> with her first husband in Selma, Calfornia.
>>> Thanks Sandra Valine Dauer
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 12:39 AM 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy <
>>> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
 Sandra,

 This situation does seem unusual (at least to me. ) I checked with
 CITCEM and that database lists the last three children with “pai incognito”
 so I went back to the actual records and noticed that the last three were
 listed as “natural” not legitimate children of Genoveva. I’m wondering
 whether it was known or merely assumed Manuel Silveira Brum was deceased.
 If merely assumed, maybe she couldn’t remarry. Have you looked for the
 marriages of the last three children to see if a “father” was suddenly
 known or remained incognito ? If known, who was he ? Sounds like fun
 figuring this out. 

 Gayle

 On Aug 2, 2019, at 9:11 PM, Sandra Valine Dauer 
 wrote:

 Genoveva is listing as birth Mother and Manuel Silviera Brum as Father
 on the first two children.  On the last three children she is listed a
 widow. On the 4th child widow of Manuel Silveira.  Is the correct on the
 five records? Anyone have similar ancestors where the Father is absent and
 or 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Genoveva Inacia five children livng Almagreira (Lajes do Pico)

[Sandra Valine Dauer]

Thank you for your help.  I checked her daughter, Maria Rosario,  four
children baptism records from Lajes do Pico: Manuel 24 Nov 1901 list
maternal grandparents Jose Silveira e Genoveva Ignancia; Maria 29 Jan 1904
and Joao 08 Jun 1908 and Francisca 16 Dec 1906 only list maternal as
Genoveva Ignancia.  Sandra Valine Dauer


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On Sun, Aug 4, 2019 at 2:27 AM 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Sandra,
>
> Yes. It says illegitimate. Strange since baptism says natural. As for the
> witnesses: Jose Maria Bettencourt, proprietor, and Jose Bettencourt de
> Macedo, farmer. However, I’m on my phone so I hesitate to say with 100%
> certainty.
>
> Gayle
>
> PS: Margaret is the true expert.
>
> On Aug 3, 2019, at 10:15 AM, Sandra Valine Dauer 
> wrote:
>
> Sorry here is the link for the 1898 marriage of Maria do Rosario daughter
> of Genoveva
> bottom right top left
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-C-1888-1899/PIC-LJ-LAJES-C-1888-1899_item1/P112.html
>
> Thanks Sandra Valine Dauer
>
>
> 
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>
> On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 9:56 AM Sandra Valine Dauer 
> wrote:
>
>> Gayle thanks for the idea.  Here is Maria Rosario marriage record.  I
>> think it says illegitimate? daughter of Genoveva da Conceicao with no
>> mention of a Father.  Is this correct?  Need help with the lines after
>> describing the witness Jose Maria Bettencourt.
>>  For Genoveva's daughter Francisca I have not found her marriage record
>> in California.  She first married Manuel Vieira Pinheiro, lived in Fresno
>> County, California had ten children, Manuel died 1922.  Next she married
>> Manuel Rodrigues aka Rodgers or Rogers.  Francisca died 1947 and is buried
>> with her first husband in Selma, Calfornia.
>> Thanks Sandra Valine Dauer
>>
>>
>> 
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>>
>> On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 12:39 AM 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy <
>> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Sandra,
>>>
>>> This situation does seem unusual (at least to me. ) I checked with
>>> CITCEM and that database lists the last three children with “pai incognito”
>>> so I went back to the actual records and noticed that the last three were
>>> listed as “natural” not legitimate children of Genoveva. I’m wondering
>>> whether it was known or merely assumed Manuel Silveira Brum was deceased.
>>> If merely assumed, maybe she couldn’t remarry. Have you looked for the
>>> marriages of the last three children to see if a “father” was suddenly
>>> known or remained incognito ? If known, who was he ? Sounds like fun
>>> figuring this out. 
>>>
>>> Gayle
>>>
>>> On Aug 2, 2019, at 9:11 PM, Sandra Valine Dauer 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Genoveva is listing as birth Mother and Manuel Silviera Brum as Father
>>> on the first two children.  On the last three children she is listed a
>>> widow. On the 4th child widow of Manuel Silveira.  Is the correct on the
>>> five records? Anyone have similar ancestors where the Father is absent and
>>> or she is considered a widow?  The links are listed below.  Thank you
>>> Sandra Valine Dauer
>>> 1. Manuel bottom right top left No 18
>>>
>>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875_item1/P37.html
>>>
>>> 2. Maria bottom left top right No 81
>>>
>>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875_item1/P113.html
>>>
>>> 3. Joao bottom right top left No 84
>>>
>>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875_item1/P215.html
>>>
>>> 4. Maria Bottom right top left No 87
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1875-1877/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1875-1877_item1/P74.html
>>>
>>> 5. Francisca Bottom left top right No 47
>>>
>>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1875-1881/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1875-1881_item1/P159.html
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Genoveva Inacia five children livng Almagreira (Lajes do Pico)

['Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy]

Sandra,

Yes. It says illegitimate. Strange since baptism says natural. As for the 
witnesses: Jose Maria Bettencourt, proprietor, and Jose Bettencourt de Macedo, 
farmer. However, I’m on my phone so I hesitate to say with 100% certainty. 

Gayle 

PS: Margaret is the true expert. 

> On Aug 3, 2019, at 10:15 AM, Sandra Valine Dauer  wrote:
> 
> Sorry here is the link for the 1898 marriage of Maria do Rosario daughter of 
> Genoveva
> bottom right top left
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-C-1888-1899/PIC-LJ-LAJES-C-1888-1899_item1/P112.html
>  
> Thanks Sandra Valine Dauer 
> 
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>> On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 9:56 AM Sandra Valine Dauer  
>> wrote:
>> Gayle thanks for the idea.  Here is Maria Rosario marriage record.  I think 
>> it says illegitimate? daughter of Genoveva da Conceicao with no mention of a 
>> Father.  Is this correct?  Need help with the lines after describing the 
>> witness Jose Maria Bettencourt.
>>  For Genoveva's daughter Francisca I have not found her marriage record in 
>> California.  She first married Manuel Vieira Pinheiro, lived in Fresno 
>> County, California had ten children, Manuel died 1922.  Next she married 
>> Manuel Rodrigues aka Rodgers or Rogers.  Francisca died 1947 and is buried 
>> with her first husband in Selma, Calfornia.
>> Thanks Sandra Valine Dauer
>> 
>>  Virus-free. www.avast.com
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>>> On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 12:39 AM 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy 
>>>  wrote:
>>> Sandra,
>>> 
>>> This situation does seem unusual (at least to me. ) I checked with CITCEM 
>>> and that database lists the last three children with “pai incognito” so I 
>>> went back to the actual records and noticed that the last three were listed 
>>> as “natural” not legitimate children of Genoveva. I’m wondering whether it 
>>> was known or merely assumed Manuel Silveira Brum was deceased. If merely 
>>> assumed, maybe she couldn’t remarry. Have you looked for the marriages of 
>>> the last three children to see if a “father” was suddenly known or remained 
>>> incognito ? If known, who was he ? Sounds like fun figuring this out.  
>>> 
>>> Gayle
>>> 
 On Aug 2, 2019, at 9:11 PM, Sandra Valine Dauer  wrote:
 
 Genoveva is listing as birth Mother and Manuel Silviera Brum as Father on 
 the first two children.  On the last three children she is listed a widow. 
 On the 4th child widow of Manuel Silveira.  Is the correct on the five 
 records? Anyone have similar ancestors where the Father is absent and or 
 she is considered a widow?  The links are listed below.  Thank you Sandra 
 Valine Dauer
 1. Manuel bottom right top left No 18
 http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875_item1/P37.html
   
 2. Maria bottom left top right No 81
 http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875_item1/P113.html
  
 3. Joao bottom right top left No 84 
 http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875_item1/P215.html
   
 4. Maria Bottom right top left No 87
 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1875-1877/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1875-1877_item1/P74.html
  
 5. Francisca Bottom left top right No 47
 http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1875-1881/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1875-1881_item1/P159.html
   
  
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Genoveva Inacia five children livng Almagreira(Lajes do Pico)

[Cheri Mello]

Debbie,

Just like today, there are things that families will speak about and there
are things they will not speak about.

If the married man came forward and acknowledged the children, then yes,
the children would state on their marriage (or on the baptism of their own
kids) who the father was. If the married man never came forward, then it
wasn't spoken of. And yes, at least half the freguesia probably knew who
the father was.

At least with 3 kids (hopefully by the same man), DNA can reveal who that
man is, as long as there are testers from the married man's family.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 11:21 AM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca <
jessdebmendo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Can you move into the marriage records of those illegitimate children and
> see who they listed as their parents?   Possibly even passports?   It seems
> like they would have knowledge of the married man.
>
> Debbie
>
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 11:12 AM Margaret Vicente <
> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello Sandra,
>>
>>
>>
>> In order to visualize what happened I had to do a time line so I could
>> see what and when.
>>
>> First two children: legitimate of Manuel Silveira de Brum and Genoveva
>> Inacia
>>
>>
>>
>> 08-02-1869 Manuel f.o legitimo Mel Silveira de Brum e Genoveva Inacia
>>
>> 05-11-1871 Maria fa legitima Mel Silveira de Brum, Agricultor e Genoveva
>> Inacia
>>
>>
>>
>> In between 1871 and 1874 – Manuel Silveira passed away –
>>
>>
>>
>> Genoveva continued to have children, “naturally” and of “unknown” father:
>>
>> 26-09-1874 Joao fo natural de Genovea inacia, viuva de
>>
>> 08-11-1877 Maria fa natural Genoveva inacia, viuva de
>>
>> 10-06-1880 Francisca fa natural Genoveva inacia, viuva de
>>
>>
>>
>> Marriage of Maria do Rosario, says “Illegitimate” daughter of Genoveva,
>> viuva.   With this “qualification” the illegitimate indicates the unknown
>> father was a married man, that’s where the “illegitimate” versus natural,
>> were the father single, or widower.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>> Margaret
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Sandra Valine Dauer 
>> *Sent: *August 3, 2019 1:15 PM
>> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Genoveva Inacia five children livng
>> Almagreira(Lajes do Pico)
>>
>>
>>
>> Sorry here is the link for the 1898 marriage of Maria do Rosario daughter
>> of Genoveva
>>
>> bottom right top left
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-C-1888-1899/PIC-LJ-LAJES-C-1888-1899_item1/P112.html
>>
>>
>> Thanks Sandra Valine Dauer
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 9:56 AM Sandra Valine Dauer 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Gayle thanks for the idea.  Here is Maria Rosario marriage record.  I
>> think it says illegitimate? daughter of Genoveva da Conceicao with no
>> mention of a Father.  Is this correct?  Need help with the lines after
>> describing the witness Jose Maria Bettencourt.
>>
>>  For Genoveva's daughter Francisca I have not found her marriage record
>> in California.  She first married Manuel Vieira Pinheiro, lived in Fresno
>> County, California had ten children, Manuel died 1922.  Next she married
>> Manuel Rodrigues aka Rodgers or Rogers.  Francisca died 1947 and is buried
>> with her first husband in Selma, Calfornia.
>>
>> Thanks Sandra Valine Dauer
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 12:39 AM 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy <
>> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> Sandra,
>>
>>
>>
>> This situation does seem unusual (at least to me. ) I checked with CITCEM
>> and that database lists the last three children with “pai incognito” so I
>> went bac

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Genoveva Inacia five children livng Almagreira(Lajes do Pico)

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

Can you move into the marriage records of those illegitimate children and
see who they listed as their parents?   Possibly even passports?   It seems
like they would have knowledge of the married man.

Debbie



On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 11:12 AM Margaret Vicente 
wrote:

> Hello Sandra,
>
>
>
> In order to visualize what happened I had to do a time line so I could see
> what and when.
>
> First two children: legitimate of Manuel Silveira de Brum and Genoveva
> Inacia
>
>
>
> 08-02-1869 Manuel f.o legitimo Mel Silveira de Brum e Genoveva Inacia
>
> 05-11-1871 Maria fa legitima Mel Silveira de Brum, Agricultor e Genoveva
> Inacia
>
>
>
> In between 1871 and 1874 – Manuel Silveira passed away –
>
>
>
> Genoveva continued to have children, “naturally” and of “unknown” father:
>
> 26-09-1874 Joao fo natural de Genovea inacia, viuva de
>
> 08-11-1877 Maria fa natural Genoveva inacia, viuva de
>
> 10-06-1880 Francisca fa natural Genoveva inacia, viuva de
>
>
>
> Marriage of Maria do Rosario, says “Illegitimate” daughter of Genoveva,
> viuva.   With this “qualification” the illegitimate indicates the unknown
> father was a married man, that’s where the “illegitimate” versus natural,
> were the father single, or widower.
>
>
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Margaret
>
>
>
> *From: *Sandra Valine Dauer 
> *Sent: *August 3, 2019 1:15 PM
> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Genoveva Inacia five children livng
> Almagreira(Lajes do Pico)
>
>
>
> Sorry here is the link for the 1898 marriage of Maria do Rosario daughter
> of Genoveva
>
> bottom right top left
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-C-1888-1899/PIC-LJ-LAJES-C-1888-1899_item1/P112.html
>
>
> Thanks Sandra Valine Dauer
>
>
>
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> On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 9:56 AM Sandra Valine Dauer 
> wrote:
>
> Gayle thanks for the idea.  Here is Maria Rosario marriage record.  I
> think it says illegitimate? daughter of Genoveva da Conceicao with no
> mention of a Father.  Is this correct?  Need help with the lines after
> describing the witness Jose Maria Bettencourt.
>
>  For Genoveva's daughter Francisca I have not found her marriage record in
> California.  She first married Manuel Vieira Pinheiro, lived in Fresno
> County, California had ten children, Manuel died 1922.  Next she married
> Manuel Rodrigues aka Rodgers or Rogers.  Francisca died 1947 and is buried
> with her first husband in Selma, Calfornia.
>
> Thanks Sandra Valine Dauer
>
>
>
>
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> On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 12:39 AM 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Sandra,
>
>
>
> This situation does seem unusual (at least to me. ) I checked with CITCEM
> and that database lists the last three children with “pai incognito” so I
> went back to the actual records and noticed that the last three were listed
> as “natural” not legitimate children of Genoveva. I’m wondering whether it
> was known or merely assumed Manuel Silveira Brum was deceased. If merely
> assumed, maybe she couldn’t remarry. Have you looked for the marriages of
> the last three children to see if a “father” was suddenly known or remained
> incognito ? If known, who was he ? Sounds like fun figuring this out. 
>
>
>
> Gayle
>
>
> On Aug 2, 2019, at 9:11 PM, Sandra Valine Dauer 
> wrote:
>
> Genoveva is listing as birth Mother and Manuel Silviera Brum as Father on
> the first two children.  On the last three children she is listed a widow.
> On the 4th child widow of Manuel Silveira.  Is the correct on the five
> records? Anyone have similar ancestors where the Father is absent and or
> she is considered a widow?  The links are listed below.  Thank you Sandra
> Valine Dauer
>
> 1. Manuel bottom right top left No 18
>
>
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875_item1/P37.html
>
>
> 2. Maria bottom left top right No 81
>
>
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875_item1/P113.htm

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Genoveva Inacia five children livng Almagreira(Lajes do Pico)

[Margaret Vicente]

Hello Sandra,

In order to visualize what happened I had to do a time line so I could see what 
and when.
First two children: legitimate of Manuel Silveira de Brum and Genoveva Inacia

08-02-1869 Manuel f.o legitimo Mel Silveira de Brum e Genoveva Inacia
05-11-1871 Maria fa legitima Mel Silveira de Brum, Agricultor e Genoveva Inacia

In between 1871 and 1874 – Manuel Silveira passed away –  

Genoveva continued to have children, “naturally” and of “unknown” father:
26-09-1874 Joao fo natural de Genovea inacia, viuva de
08-11-1877 Maria fa natural Genoveva inacia, viuva de 
10-06-1880 Francisca fa natural Genoveva inacia, viuva de

Marriage of Maria do Rosario, says “Illegitimate” daughter of Genoveva, viuva.  
 With this “qualification” the illegitimate indicates the unknown father was a 
married man, that’s where the “illegitimate” versus natural, were the father 
single, or widower.

Hope this helps.
Margaret

From: Sandra Valine Dauer
Sent: August 3, 2019 1:15 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Genoveva Inacia five children livng 
Almagreira(Lajes do Pico)

Sorry here is the link for the 1898 marriage of Maria do Rosario daughter of 
Genoveva
bottom right top left
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-C-1888-1899/PIC-LJ-LAJES-C-1888-1899_item1/P112.html
 
Thanks Sandra Valine Dauer 


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On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 9:56 AM Sandra Valine Dauer  wrote:
Gayle thanks for the idea.  Here is Maria Rosario marriage record.  I think it 
says illegitimate? daughter of Genoveva da Conceicao with no mention of a 
Father.  Is this correct?  Need help with the lines after describing the 
witness Jose Maria Bettencourt.
 For Genoveva's daughter Francisca I have not found her marriage record in 
California.  She first married Manuel Vieira Pinheiro, lived in Fresno County, 
California had ten children, Manuel died 1922.  Next she married Manuel 
Rodrigues aka Rodgers or Rogers.  Francisca died 1947 and is buried with her 
first husband in Selma, Calfornia.
Thanks Sandra Valine Dauer


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On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 12:39 AM 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:
Sandra,

This situation does seem unusual (at least to me. ) I checked with CITCEM and 
that database lists the last three children with “pai incognito” so I went back 
to the actual records and noticed that the last three were listed as “natural” 
not legitimate children of Genoveva. I’m wondering whether it was known or 
merely assumed Manuel Silveira Brum was deceased. If merely assumed, maybe she 
couldn’t remarry. Have you looked for the marriages of the last three children 
to see if a “father” was suddenly known or remained incognito ? If known, who 
was he ? Sounds like fun figuring this out.  

Gayle

On Aug 2, 2019, at 9:11 PM, Sandra Valine Dauer  wrote:
Genoveva is listing as birth Mother and Manuel Silviera Brum as Father on the 
first two children.  On the last three children she is listed a widow. On the 
4th child widow of Manuel Silveira.  Is the correct on the five records? Anyone 
have similar ancestors where the Father is absent and or she is considered a 
widow?  The links are listed below.  Thank you Sandra Valine Dauer
1. Manuel bottom right top left No 18
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875_item1/P37.html
  
2. Maria bottom left top right No 81
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875_item1/P113.html
 
3. Joao bottom right top left No 84 
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875_item1/P215.html
  
4. Maria Bottom right top left No 87
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1875-1877/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1875-1877_item1/P74.html
 
5. Francisca Bottom left top right No 47
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1875-1881/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1875-1881_item1/P159.html
  
 


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Genoveva Inacia five children livng Almagreira (Lajes do Pico)

[Sandra Valine Dauer]

Sorry here is the link for the 1898 marriage of Maria do Rosario daughter
of Genoveva
bottom right top left
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-C-1888-1899/PIC-LJ-LAJES-C-1888-1899_item1/P112.html

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On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 9:56 AM Sandra Valine Dauer 
wrote:

> Gayle thanks for the idea.  Here is Maria Rosario marriage record.  I
> think it says illegitimate? daughter of Genoveva da Conceicao with no
> mention of a Father.  Is this correct?  Need help with the lines after
> describing the witness Jose Maria Bettencourt.
>  For Genoveva's daughter Francisca I have not found her marriage record in
> California.  She first married Manuel Vieira Pinheiro, lived in Fresno
> County, California had ten children, Manuel died 1922.  Next she married
> Manuel Rodrigues aka Rodgers or Rogers.  Francisca died 1947 and is buried
> with her first husband in Selma, Calfornia.
> Thanks Sandra Valine Dauer
>
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> On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 12:39 AM 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Sandra,
>>
>> This situation does seem unusual (at least to me. ) I checked with CITCEM
>> and that database lists the last three children with “pai incognito” so I
>> went back to the actual records and noticed that the last three were listed
>> as “natural” not legitimate children of Genoveva. I’m wondering whether it
>> was known or merely assumed Manuel Silveira Brum was deceased. If merely
>> assumed, maybe she couldn’t remarry. Have you looked for the marriages of
>> the last three children to see if a “father” was suddenly known or remained
>> incognito ? If known, who was he ? Sounds like fun figuring this out. 
>>
>> Gayle
>>
>> On Aug 2, 2019, at 9:11 PM, Sandra Valine Dauer 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Genoveva is listing as birth Mother and Manuel Silviera Brum as Father on
>> the first two children.  On the last three children she is listed a widow.
>> On the 4th child widow of Manuel Silveira.  Is the correct on the five
>> records? Anyone have similar ancestors where the Father is absent and or
>> she is considered a widow?  The links are listed below.  Thank you Sandra
>> Valine Dauer
>> 1. Manuel bottom right top left No 18
>>
>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875_item1/P37.html
>>
>> 2. Maria bottom left top right No 81
>>
>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875_item1/P113.html
>>
>> 3. Joao bottom right top left No 84
>>
>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875_item1/P215.html
>>
>> 4. Maria Bottom right top left No 87
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1875-1877/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1875-1877_item1/P74.html
>>
>> 5. Francisca Bottom left top right No 47
>>
>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1875-1881/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1875-1881_item1/P159.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Genoveva Inacia five children livng Almagreira (Lajes do Pico)

[Sandra Valine Dauer]

Gayle thanks for the idea.  Here is Maria Rosario marriage record.  I think
it says illegitimate? daughter of Genoveva da Conceicao with no mention of
a Father.  Is this correct?  Need help with the lines after describing the
witness Jose Maria Bettencourt.
 For Genoveva's daughter Francisca I have not found her marriage record in
California.  She first married Manuel Vieira Pinheiro, lived in Fresno
County, California had ten children, Manuel died 1922.  Next she married
Manuel Rodrigues aka Rodgers or Rogers.  Francisca died 1947 and is buried
with her first husband in Selma, Calfornia.
Thanks Sandra Valine Dauer


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On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 12:39 AM 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Sandra,
>
> This situation does seem unusual (at least to me. ) I checked with CITCEM
> and that database lists the last three children with “pai incognito” so I
> went back to the actual records and noticed that the last three were listed
> as “natural” not legitimate children of Genoveva. I’m wondering whether it
> was known or merely assumed Manuel Silveira Brum was deceased. If merely
> assumed, maybe she couldn’t remarry. Have you looked for the marriages of
> the last three children to see if a “father” was suddenly known or remained
> incognito ? If known, who was he ? Sounds like fun figuring this out. 
>
> Gayle
>
> On Aug 2, 2019, at 9:11 PM, Sandra Valine Dauer 
> wrote:
>
> Genoveva is listing as birth Mother and Manuel Silviera Brum as Father on
> the first two children.  On the last three children she is listed a widow.
> On the 4th child widow of Manuel Silveira.  Is the correct on the five
> records? Anyone have similar ancestors where the Father is absent and or
> she is considered a widow?  The links are listed below.  Thank you Sandra
> Valine Dauer
> 1. Manuel bottom right top left No 18
>
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875_item1/P37.html
>
> 2. Maria bottom left top right No 81
>
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875_item1/P113.html
>
> 3. Joao bottom right top left No 84
>
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875_item1/P215.html
>
> 4. Maria Bottom right top left No 87
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1875-1877/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1875-1877_item1/P74.html
>
> 5. Francisca Bottom left top right No 47
>
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1875-1881/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1875-1881_item1/P159.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Genoveva Inacia five children livng Almagreira (Lajes do Pico)

['Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy]

Sandra,

This situation does seem unusual (at least to me. ) I checked with CITCEM and 
that database lists the last three children with “pai incognito” so I went back 
to the actual records and noticed that the last three were listed as “natural” 
not legitimate children of Genoveva. I’m wondering whether it was known or 
merely assumed Manuel Silveira Brum was deceased. If merely assumed, maybe she 
couldn’t remarry. Have you looked for the marriages of the last three children 
to see if a “father” was suddenly known or remained incognito ? If known, who 
was he ? Sounds like fun figuring this out.  

Gayle

> On Aug 2, 2019, at 9:11 PM, Sandra Valine Dauer  wrote:
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> Genoveva is listing as birth Mother and Manuel Silviera Brum as Father on the 
> first two children.  On the last three children she is listed a widow. On the 
> 4th child widow of Manuel Silveira.  Is the correct on the five records? 
> Anyone have similar ancestors where the Father is absent and or she is 
> considered a widow?  The links are listed below.  Thank you Sandra Valine 
> Dauer
> 1. Manuel bottom right top left No 18
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875_item1/P37.html
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> 2. Maria bottom left top right No 81
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875_item1/P113.html
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> 3. Joao bottom right top left No 84 
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875_item1/P215.html
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> 4. Maria Bottom right top left No 87
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1875-1877/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1875-1877_item1/P74.html
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> 5. Francisca Bottom left top right No 47
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1875-1881/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1875-1881_item1/P159.html
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