Re: radionics, voodoo, holy cards, and 3rd class relics
Turtle Bend wrote: Gil, with Huge respect for your education, dedication and clarity of writing. i think your codification is illusionary. There is ever widening evidence it is a user friendly universe and reality is what choices you make. The structure and usage is yours for the deciding. Every nuance of culture (whether BD, catholicism, eastern etc.) selects the syntax that creates this reality. All we have to do is select and get to work with a passion. The rest is chopping wood and caring water. In love Light Markess Dear Markess For a small number of highly privileged, among the elite of a small number of countries, that may be so. I regard myself to be among that number and am eternally grateful, as I have freedom of movement, freedom of association, freedom of expression, adequate food and shelter and the right to live my life as I may. But within my own Country, which is the most privileged in many ways, we have many who do not have those privileges, choices and protections. Our current State Government, in cost cutting move took away the Aboriginal Advocate person from our regional Prison System. These people are intended to work with Aboriginal inmates, who may not have functional English and to see that the prison authorities are properly informed of any special needs and also to see that the person is not left alone until they have settled down. A few weeks ago, the son of an Aboriginal friend was found on a property where he had no good reason to be and was charged with trespass and while waiting to appear in Court, was put in the regional prison farm. Because of the lack of support, he was left alone and hung himself. This is about seventieth since the Royal Commission on Aboriginal Deaths in Custody handed down some two hundred recommendations of which some seven have been enacted. I saw this person about ten days earlier, when he asked me to act as his advocate in dealing with a Government Department. At that time he was clearly not able to deal with White people and state his case. He also clearly showed signs of mental illness that dated from an event during a previous stay in prison. In the intervening period he had attended a family funeral which included about fourteen hundred miles of driving. In other prisons we have nationals from other countries who would like to come here as refugees. To comply with the Bush plan for world domination, we lock them up in purpose built buildings in remote areas. In return Bush has two of our Nationals in Cuba because they are said to have trained with some one the US had funded until recently and who they have since decided is the enemy, having served his usefulness. In the US some ten thousand of the service personnel of Desert Storm are either dead or invalided because of the US's use of depleted uranium. Friendly fire? Yes for that privileged few, it is user friendly. But that does not mean that one can use one's mind to do everything and anything we choose. The cosmos still has some degree of order that the mere mind of (wo)man will alter. Day will follow night despite anything you like to do. The differences between Reiki and Radionics stand, in the face of any amount of self delusion offered. Your use of syntax is of particular interest, as this is where most would be dowsers fall apart. Syntax is not an choice of (wo)man, it is a universal truth. It is not made on earth or by those of us down here. It is disregard of syntax that leads to DSDS, (Dowser Self Delusion Syndrome), this is where we get the answers that serve our ego and not the real answer. Neither a earthbound culture or a mere mortal can change syntax, but they can have an imperfect understanding of it. Gil ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: radionics, voodoo, holy cards, and 3rd class relics
Garuda/ James, The small adverts in Acres USA has carried reference to these for several years. The seller is a dealer of used instruments and would seem to either have a large supply or an unsaleable stock. Gil Garuda wrote: James It was not I that said they were on sale. I just commented on their use by the CIA GA BdMax distributors of ThermoMax -THE proven frost protection www.bdmax.co.nz - Original Message - From: James Hedley To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 5:51 PM Subject: Re: radionics, voodoo, holycards, and 3rd class relics Glen, Where can I find some of these ex CIA radionicinstruments. James Garuda wrote: . I was told that the CIA had used Radionic for some decades. While banning its use for human health GA ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailinglist [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your optionsat: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Viruses
Hi! Keith, I can't help you. Most viruses are aimed at Microsoft Explorer. Those of us who use Netscape rarely have any experience, so can not help. I suggest you dump as much Microsoft software as possible and load Netscape and non Bill Gates Software and you may find you have little difficulty. Gil Keith N. Legge wrote: Hi all, Is anyone else suffering from my problem with the above when attachments are sent? Apparently it was Hackers Week last week or the week before and they have run amok. ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Greg Willis - costs of preps
Hi! Tobias and Greg, Tobias, I feel you are coming on a bit strong with Greg. There is the need for people at several levels in the world of BD and related areas. While I am happy to be an isolated person experimenting on my own and doing a bit of research and only use my knowledge to grow a bit of food for my own use, others grow commercially, while still others work within the converted and provide consultant and other services. But what is badly needed is those who are prepared to go outside the comfort zone of the converted and to, by some means, get the benefits of BD out into the wide world. It is much more likely that some one like Greg will do just that than someone like me, who can spend years replicating the work of others to make sure it will work in my near desert conditions. Gil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Greg, you must have a degree in marketing. your last post reads like any other advertisement for whatever agricultural product one could think of. I have been oberserving your posts now for a while and I have to say it is always the same pattern . you and your Agri-Synthesis Field Sprays are the best and nearly everyone else has got it wrong and is stupid - at times you call others even idiots - well what a sensitive and charming way of dealing with each other !!! Could you agree on the fact that EVERYONE within this movement has got only the best intentions to do as good as they can, to do their best for this planet and his/her fellow human being ? ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: BdMax Bird Scare's Philosophic Anachranism
Hi! Are you offering these by mail order for us to broadcast on our own land? If so How much? I am interested in rats, rabbits and roaches, if they will work on those in my part of Oz. Could I have a full list and prices, please? Off line if you prefer. Gil Port Lincoln South Australia Garuda wrote: The BD remedies manifest in my Bird Scare product andproven to work by the NZ HortResearch institution can best be described as working by "Helping the plant to become one with its owninner bird." First achieved circa January 1990, this family of remedies also has been shown to work on Rabbits, Possums, Cockroachs, Rats, Mice, Ants and many plant pests. Biodynamics of the 21st century. Glen Atkinson ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: BdMax Bird Scare's Philosophic Anachranism
Gil Robertson wrote: Hi! Are you offering these by mail order for us to broadcast on our own land? If so How much? I am interested in rats, rabbits and roaches, if they will work on those in my part of Oz. Could I have a full list and prices, please? Off line if you prefer. Gil Port Lincoln South Australia Garuda wrote: The BD remedies manifest in my Bird Scare product andproven to work by the NZ HortResearch institution can best be described as working by "Helping the plant to become one with its owninner bird." First achieved circa January 1990, this family of remedies also has been shown to work on Rabbits, Possums, Cockroachs, Rats, Mice, Ants and many plant pests. Biodynamics of the 21st century. Glen Atkinson ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Agri-Synthesis® long-lived and underpriced!
Hi! Greg, All points taken. I too have spent a lot of time on research which has not returned the cost to me. I am not a commercial farmer or a consultant. I have been on a disability pension for many years and do a bit of research and experimentation to give me something to keep me thinking. I have been replicating some of the experiments published in Acres USA and have corresponded with people such as Phil Calahan. I do own land but only run a few sheep for fire control and am gradually planting much of the two hundred acres to native trees as an environmental statement. There are no BD farms within 400 miles from where I live, in Port Lincoln, South Australia. Along with several other home gardeners, I bought in real Pres. for about five years of just did the home garden and an area to compare with the untreated areas. Then a couple of years ago, Hugh Lovel gave me a set of his cards, which I use mainly in making my compost. My health does not allow me to even grow enough food for my own use, but I enjoy the better quality of it, when grown by some form of BD. I am currently experimenting growing reeds for use in controlling erosion in creek beds, in LandCare Programs. They want them in long ropes for easy planting. Thank you for replying to my email. Gil Robertson ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: keeping focussed
Well said Hamish. I too think we should celebrate our variations within the theme, rather than seeking to prove my guru is a better guru than your guru. There can be no doubt that the best food available, is that grown Biodynamically. Should it not be our task to do that which we are able, to extend it's availability, and not waste energy on infighting. For any who may not know, Hamish has been a key figure in one of the two biggest of the several BD Camps in Oz. His dedication to the cause has been an inspiration to many over a long period. I get emails from people who at some time past visited Oz and saw Hamish in one of his several roles and they ask how he keeps up the good fight for all this time without burning out. I suggest it is the food he eats. Gil (N.B. We are yet to meet, but like many, I am familiar with his work.) Hamish Mackay wrote: Graeme Gerard wrote: "If your interest is in biodynamics, you may be wondering if you are subscribed to the right group! Despite the numerous claims to the contrary that you may read on the BDNow group, biodynamics is thriving, here in Australia at least. People are using the real preps, as described and recommended by Rudolf Steiner, as practised for decades all over the world. Although some think this is some kind of old school, bogged down and in decay, it is still a living culture. If you are interested in agriculture, biodynamics, growing food for people to help in the recovery of the Earth, seek it out. If you are interested in subtle energies, radionics, homoeopathic dilutions and such, there is a lot of very interesting information to be found on this list. It would be great if we could get above the contemptible slagging that goes on about "the other" and keep the focus on the many practical and helpful suggestions people have. regards all," Yes let's keep focussed on the challenges we all face in different landscapes and different cultures. bdnow is a wonderful tool for sharing with and supporting each other in our Biodynamic work and striving. Yes Biodynamics is growing in Australia. We have a number of Biodynamic associations around the country and the 2 biggest have very different cultures. to me that matters not. what matters is that people are "having a go". The second most important is that we share our experiences in the light of the laws of the free spiritual life. when our sharing descend below this level it does no-one any credit, but even then we need to have some modesty and tolerance. Like our Biodynamic practices we don't always get it right first go. I recently read "Nature and our Ideals" - a letter from Rudolf Steiner to Marie delle Grazie in response to her poem "Nature" in the preface was a quote from Rudolf Steiner's autobiography, The Course of My Life: I felt that I was in a spiritual atmosphere which was of genuine benefit to me. For this purpose I did not need agreement in ideas; I needed earnest and spiritual striving humanity, susceptible to the spiritual. aye Hamish Mackay ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Aphid control
Hi! Tony, We have farmers with a very high calcium soil and a pH of up to 9.8!!! So high that plants can be short on available calcium in a sea of the stuff!! Gil Tony Nelson-Smith wrote: Gil wrote: Have you checked the level of calcium in the affected plants. Thanks, Gil. We are on limestone but the affected plants are in containers and may have begun to lack nutrients including Ca. I'll try giving them a little supplement.Tony N-S. _ Tired of 56k? Get a FREE BT Broadband connection http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Can Error be turned to Advantage?
Hi! Roger, Interesting. May I ask why superphosphate was applied to the reveg, assuming it is native veg, as most do not handle super at all well. My guess is that the BD area will handle the super better than the other areas, thus giving the impression it was to right thing to include. Is there any visual difference between the standard BD and the Radionic BD? Care to tell me something about the Natural Earth Healing Circle? Off line if required. Gil Roger Pye wrote: A SE NSW project to compare three methods of revegetation of degraded landscape, namely Biodynamic, Compost Assisted, and Conventional, was recently compromised by the inadvertent application of superphosphate to the biodynamic portion. ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: prep making illegal in the EU
My understanding is that Homoeopathic Preps are excluded. Would it be that Preps made using Rae Cards, be also excluded? Gil Tony Nelson-Smith wrote: Folks - I don't know about the illegality of making the preps but I suppose it has been technically illegal to use them, at least in the UK, for some longish time. Correctly speaking, only substances/chemicals approved by the Ministry of Agriculture and so labelled may be used, even in private gardens. It is thus against the law to apply (for example) common salt, as this is not an approved chemical. ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Raw Milk - Submission to Health Canada
Hugh Lovel wrote: And as for making the task of the farmer less rewarding, pasteurization wasone of the big control mechanisms to lock him in to depending on and getting screwed by the middle men. Is there any doubt of this? Non what so ever. Gil
Re: Potatoes in Cages
Hi! Tony, It work well. If using tyres, cut the walls out. This is easily done with a very sharp knife. The secret is to keep wetting the blade and to stretch the cut apart as it is made. If you look at the tyre, you will find the tread is added on top of the rest of the structure, the edge of this is just outside the writing. This is the place to cut. The section of wall that is removed is good for hold mulch around tree and shrubs and if placed with the in side up, it makes a good edge to run the mower over when keep the fire load down. When a potato shoots, it only sets spuds above the original eye, so one must either bury them deep or use something like this. If when you add more straw, also add some compost. I like to bend the tops down and cover them, as this gives more nodes to grow spuds from. If you do not cut the wall out of the tyres, you can create a space which becomes a void for the use of rodents/ spiders/ reptiles etc. With the wall out all this space can be used. I start by working good compost into the underlying soil and getting the seed potatoes established in the soil before adding the types. In the dry Oz summers it can be difficult to judge if you are applying enough water. In the soil, just outside the bottom type, I like to have some indicator plants, such as plucking lettuce or silver beet, which will soon indicate if you are behind with the water. I also have a few garlic in also. Gil Tony Nelson-Smith wrote: ...Even if you don't have lots of space, you can enjoy an amazing yield of potatoes by growing in a container... Bob Flowerdew, the unconventional member of a BBC gardening advice programme team, uses old motor tyres whose inner cavity is packed with straw. He starts off with (say) two and, as the shoots appear above the surface, adds several more units, one by one. The straw provides insulation for a very early planting and the earthing up increases the eventual yield. Haven't tried it myself, though! Tony N-S. _ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger
Re: Buddy, Can you paradigm?
In Scotland there is one type of sheep that lives on the coast and are actually kept there by stone walls. Their main diet is fresh seaweed. I have seen film of them actually swimming in rough seas to eat the living seaweed. Gil The Korrows wrote: How does salt fit in to this? Salt for humans also (who are not near an ocean or salt mine). Christy - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 5:04 AM Subject: Re: Buddy, Can you paradigm? In a message dated 4/2/03 8:24:31 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 'Well, you think that kelp is natural, but I'll tell you, there's nothing natural at all about beef eating seaweed. Tell the farmer that New England farmers would often bring their cows down to the beach to snack on seaweed, not so far out...sstorch
Re: Vitality and fertility ofsoils
Charles and the list, I am interested in the possibility of trialing a number of clays. If I am using a clay, I would tend to go for either bentonite, or a commercially prepared pottery clay, simply because as a one time potter, I have prepared all the clay I want to do for the time and as a one time prospector I have located all the clay deposits I want to do for the time. It is so easy to buy it in a bag. But on my two hundred acres I am aware of many distinct clays with very different properties, that would have some part to play, if one was experimenting in this area and undoubtedly other properties would also have a number of distinct clays, each with unique qualities. How about doing the larger amount with your preferred clay and several of each type of lessor clay and then doing some dowsing on the end product and if possible some field trials Gil Lloyd Charles wrote: Steve Storch wrote I have to dis agree. If it is not done by the human hand where does the farm individuality arise from. Take ten minutes, stir the water and make the "reagent",, you owe it to yourself...sstorch OK Steve (and any others that would like to comment) - I'll try this - a couple of questions though - 1. will this stirred water hold the energy pattern long enough to use it in a vial in the broadcaster (weeks or months) - that doesn't work with stirred preps ? Otherwise I need to make your 'stirred water 'card. 2. three of us are putting down some horns (of 500) this weekend and I'd like to include some clay, you have some different ideas on clay - any suggestions ? these are some options :: bentonite - its easy but I'd rather use local paddock reared clay :: I have a nice maroon clay from our subsoil layer - sticky and extremely dense, mostly magnesium it comes from about 6 to 18 inches deep in the profile. :: a yellowish sticky but highly dispersive, high sodium clay from our deep subsoil :: black pond muck - you talked about this stuff a while back - its a black silty clay that settles in the bottom of our farm water storage dams - powerful stuff - very nutrient rich - has some humic material included from organic wash in 3. we will be doing this in a new pit - any suggestions to pre treat the pit for a better result - I'd thought to spray it out with stirred 500 before putting the horns in ? Line the bottom with good compost maybe? What else works? Thanks for any suggestions cheers Lloyd Charles
Re: Vitality and fertility ofsoils
Charles and the list, I am interested in the possibility of trialing a number of clays. If I am using a clay, I would tend to go for either bentonite, or a commercially prepared pottery clay, simply because as a one time potter, I have prepared all the clay I want to do for the time and as a one time prospector I have located all the clay deposits I want to do for the time. It is so easy to buy it in a bag. But on my two hundred acres I am aware of many distinct clays with very different properties, that would have some part to play, if one was experimenting in this area and undoubtedly other properties would also have a number of distinct clays, each with unique qualities. How about doing the larger amount with your preferred clay and several of each type of lessor clay and then doing some dowsing on the end product and if possible some field trials Gil Lloyd Charles wrote: Steve Storch wrote I have to dis agree. If it is not done by the human hand where does the farm individuality arise from. Take ten minutes, stir the water and make the "reagent",, you owe it to yourself...sstorch OK Steve (and any others that would like to comment) - I'll try this - a couple of questions though - 1. will this stirred water hold the energy pattern long enough to use it in a vial in the broadcaster (weeks or months) - that doesn't work with stirred preps ? Otherwise I need to make your 'stirred water 'card. 2. three of us are putting down some horns (of 500) this weekend and I'd like to include some clay, you have some different ideas on clay - any suggestions ? these are some options :: bentonite - its easy but I'd rather use local paddock reared clay :: I have a nice maroon clay from our subsoil layer - sticky and extremely dense, mostly magnesium it comes from about 6 to 18 inches deep in the profile. :: a yellowish sticky but highly dispersive, high sodium clay from our deep subsoil :: black pond muck - you talked about this stuff a while back - its a black silty clay that settles in the bottom of our farm water storage dams - powerful stuff - very nutrient rich - has some humic material included from organic wash in 3. we will be doing this in a new pit - any suggestions to pre treat the pit for a better result - I'd thought to spray it out with stirred 500 before putting the horns in ? Line the bottom with good compost maybe? What else works? Thanks for any suggestions cheers Lloyd Charles
Re: Austr. Workshop/ Was there a higher purpose?
Hi! Lloyd, Hugh, James and the list. I am puzzled at the suggestion of advertising. Advertising is like evangelism in religion. Only those who have something they do not believe in, need to convince others about it. Just as the person who is content with his belief structure, rarely feels the need to talk of it, uninvited, to others, the person with fully firing agricultural system will soon attract the interest of others. My work in revegetation has resulted in countless millions of trees in the ground. I have never knocked on a door and tried to sell a tree. I also question the idea of going Head to Head with anyone over Radionics/ Quantum Ag. Do you want to spent much energy trying to disprove something you do not believe in? By doing that, you only strengthen the resolve of those who promote them. In straight numbers, we are unlikely to be spectacular, as they are thrashing the guts out of the land. It is only the unbiased examination of the end product and the paddock that will show what we are on about. I do not think a chemical company is going to agree to a taste test! We are offering something which is getting close to sustainable. We are offering a better end product with reduced imputes, usually with a better yield ratio, and higher unit price, if lessor total crop in the short term. We offer a replicatable system that will produce over long periods with a net improvement of the land. Radionic Agriculture is solidly over fifty years old. I know one of those who make the first experiments in the early nineteen fifties and have specifically Ag. Instruments from 1954. I have eaten vegetables from land treated Radionicly for 45 years. The quality was as one would expect, absolutely superb. As far as I could see, all the formally trained Radionic Practitioners in the UK, kept their heads down, simply because all had all the clients they could reasonably care for and most had long waiting lists. They are highly respected and protected by a code of conduct, accreditation and a professional body. We do not have a problem finding clients, we have a problem find people suitable to train as practitioners. By this I mean practitioners who set them selves up as professionals. I have now worries about those who are working on their own patch, but I am most concern as soon as anyone proclaims them selves as a professional practitioner. Out side the US there have been three court cases that have been very harmful to Radionics and essentially ruined these at the receiving end. In parts of the US it is illegal, so I assume no one makes a public proclamation. I am more interested in supporting those who want to learn to work initially on their own patch and to do that successfully through several seasons, while they learn and gain conference. Let's try and pick up some of those who have un-used instruments and do something about giving them the conference to experiment on their own patch, as they learn. Gil
Re: Austr. Workshop/ Was there a higher purpose?
Dear Hugh. Lloyd and James. On the information circulating in Radionic Circles, the figure of some where around the area of ten idyll instruments for every one in use, would be close to the mark. One of the reasons for this is that Radionic Instruments are very specialized beasties. There is no such thing as a universal instrument and it is very easy to buy an instrument quite un-suited to your intended use. This quickly leads to discouragement, unless there is some form of ongoing support. This is seldom available from instrument builders, who quickly loose interest once the cheque has been cashed. I say this in general terms, not aimed at any specific type of instrument. The other problem is the would be Radionic Practitioner. While I believe it is possible teach nearly anyone to dowse, I believe that only a small percentage will attain a worthwhile level of accuracy without a considerable amount of practice. This, for most, is at least many tens of hours over at least weeks and more likely months, rather than some tens of minutes over a weekend workshop. As the Radionic Process is largely a mental process of the Practitioner, the Practitioner must be confident in their dowsing as well as very accurate. The moment we allow self doubt to enter our mental process, we blow the result. Obviously the quality of the resulting Radionic process can be no better than the dowsing that is part of it. I have a file of close to an inch thick of letters from people wanting quick fix tuition in strange and obscure instruments or to learn the most basic information about them. Others want to sell these treasures and for reasons I do not understand, expect to get their purchase price back, even when they have demonstrated the beastie will not do as they wish it would. Anyone with lots of money to waste, I could direct you to lots unused and mainly unusable instruments. A lot of these are improved instruments. By that I mean they are not built by or at least designed by an established practitioner. For reasons unknown to me, there are gadget builders, who without learning Radionics, pull an instrument or three apart and then start building improvements. The practitioner must also be totally together. Anyone going through personal drama, major ill health, using some types of prescription drugs or affected by recreationals, should refrain from working in these sort of areas until they have their life together again. I believe that Hugh can best be utilized to impart his advanced knowledge and ongoing research. He is a very busy man and it is a sacrifice on his part to travel to the antipodes. I do not think that access to his workshops should be limited to those have the knowledge to put his work into practice, but that provision should be made to provide what ever level of training required by his students. For some it will be a bit of hand holding while they gain confidence in Dowsing. Others will need help to build and position Field Broadcasters or have this done for them. Still others, a small proportion, will see the potential of Radionics and want to study it in depth. I would like to think there would also be a small number who are on top of all this and interested in research. Some of the areas needing exploration are Broadcasters to cover larger areas, such as whole cattle stations, and the specialised needs of our particular soils and very arid climate. Like BD, much of the earlier work was done in quite different soil and climate. It would also be good to have some level of communication of people dabbling in Radionics in a particular bioregion, to avoid the wide broadcast of conflicting or competing energies. Once we go beyond our own boundary we need to consider all within the target area. I get really concerned about the prospect of more than one person deciding to flush the Murray Darling River system and starting in an unco-ordinated manner at different parts of the system and bringing about sizable falls that later meet in narrow parts of the system I also think it would be a good idea if as many attendees as possible be offered dowsing tuition, before the workshops, hopefully some time beforehand to allow practice. If they have got a handle on that, it is pretty easy for Hugh or who ever to convert them to the exact method he prefers on the day. Gil James Hedley wrote: Dear Lloyd, Hugh, Gil and everybody, I query the arbitrary figure of 10:1 of unused radionic instruments. That may be so with some people who have graduated through several instruments, however I don't agree that as a general rule this would be correct. I am sure that John Pannan would be horrified if you told him that only 1 in 10 radionic instruments that were sold by him were not used If this assumption is the basis of you running a series of workshops in
Re: Gary Zimmer, Jerry Brunetti on the OZ/NZ Three-Up Tour
You can easily too "organic" and not hold nutriants or moisture. A small amount of clay may help. Gil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: send me your "albrecht" soil testsand quite a bit of interesting talk can be had, but the report can not tell you much about soil stucture.
Re: Chromas and humus Was Electronic homeopathy for plants.
Thanks Peter for the great post. Could I ask the area you covered with the seven ton of sand? Is it still working? I ask this because a site in the Adelaide hills that had Kites protecting it from rabbits, is still rabbit rabbit free twenty years after a bush fire took the fences and the Kites.. One can watch the rabbits running feet from the simple fire wire fence and not looking like entering the protected property. Gil Peter Michael Bacchus wrote: Hi James and B.D.Now friends, The possum pepper I was talking about was not potentised but mixed very dilutely into sand that passed through a 7mm. screen at the rate of 110gr. / 7tonne batch.
Re: Electronic homeopathy for plants. Was Re: late winter farm
Hi! James and Lloyd, I am out of action at the moment with health probs. But picked up on your post concerning Copen's Agricultural methods. Did you start with the rates in his Ag Rate Book? I was going to buy it several years ago, but now they seem to have with-drawn it from all their sites. I have emailed both the US and German offices and neither replied. So I do not know if they have some issue with it. Do you have a copy of it? Do you have any of his instruments? I have a Mark 2 A. This is one of the fifteen knob ones, with all sorts of additional posibilities that I have never got to trying. All up it has twenty four knobs and four switches. I bought in a collection of intruments and intended to possibly use it with his Ag Rates, but do not have the book, nor have been able to buy it. If you need something made up that requires more knobs than you have, I can do it if required. Gil James Hedley wrote: Bruce Copen from Copen Instruments developed a fertiliser which was prepared radionically which he called Cosmo. it is a mixture of homeopathic Schussler tissue salts, radionically prepared BD preps, a substance called Agrospon which feeds bacteria and other microbes plus a couple of other remedies such as Lachesis ( a great anti viral ) and Lycopodium (to strengthen the archetype of the plant). I have been broadcasting this out during the drought as well as Copen's Nutritional spray # 5. Each of these have been broadcast for 24 hours at least once a fortnight since last spring when I realised that we were moving into severe drought..
Re: Guineafowl (was Update on cannibals ... )
In Oz we catch all the rain water off our roofs we can. Peafowl roosting on the ridge may look great, but not good for the drinking water. Have you seen the damage they can do the paintwork on a new car if they catch sight of themselves? Gil Tony Nelson-Smith wrote: As for noise, try a peacock above your bedroom window at four in the morning! One day, we had a visit from the recently arrived local policeman, looking very serious. A passing tourist had, he said, heard a girl crying for help from our house in the early morning. It took an age to convince him that it was only a peacock. _ Overloaded with spam? With MSN 8, you can filter it out http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmailpgmarket=en-gbXAPID=32DI=1059
Re: Subscriber exodus
Hi! Doug, Jane Allan, Sorry, but I am with Doug, although not necessarily of the same political outlook. (I do not know what his interests are!) I have been ill for a few days and went to the farm to get away from things and was thus computer free. I came back to the normal stack of emails and have gone through and dealt with all the non BD Now ones. With ninety six to go, I am faced with the situation:- do I just dump the whole lot or do I take the time to discard the many Jane posts, to see if any one is still posting any thing related to BD or if it is just spam. Jane, much of what you post I agree with and have already read from other sources. I know your Government is less than desirable. Much of what you post is rewritten from rewritten material from old sources. Those who follow world events have had this stuff in the source material ages ago. Allan, I really like information on BD and related subjects. I really respect many of the regular contributors to BD Now. Some posts are vital for the purpose of getting information on BD to those interested in BD. Over time I have passed the details of the list on to many others who are also interested in BD, but as far as I know, none are still on the list, largely because of the volume of unrelated material. Allan, as SYSOP, I believe you must make the decision about the nature of the list. Is it about BD and related subjects or is it not? I would see related subjects including areas like soil science, homoeopathy, radionics, dowsing, organics, marketing propagation, seed collection, alternatives to chemicals, GM issues, water quality, machinery, climate etc. This is in addition to BD and the broader Stiener area. I believe your current policy is limiting access to the information on this list, as many people are not prepared to wade through the non-BD material to find the core material. With the greatest respect. Gil Doug Jay Stewart wrote Greg Willis is so right in his observation that it is the very proponents of BD who do the most to prevent its general acceptance. snip Well, I am sorry to see BDNow die. I will miss the periodic gems I find here. Hopefully someone else will start a new BD email list.
Re: EXODUS
Allan Balliett wrote: Drown us in content and keep the archives interesting for the next guy. I can't imagine anyone getting this far in the archive..
Re: donkey in well
While we are on urban myths and unlikely stories.. I always enjoyed the one about the winery worker who was carried home dead by his work mates to the yet to be informed widow. The foreman solemnly told her how her husband died in a huge barrel of port. She inquired: Did he suffer much? No said the foreman, I don't think so. He came out three times to go to the toilet. Gil Tony Nelson-Smith wrote: Reminds me of the story of two mice who fell into a bucket of milk. One gave up swimming and drowned, the other kept going until it had created an island of butter, on which it could rest. Same moral - never give up - but how did this help it get out of the bucket? Also, no sting in the tail; nice one, Steve! Tony N-S. _ Worried what your kids see online? Protect them better with MSN 8 http://join.msn.com/?page=features/parentalpgmarket=en-gbXAPID=186DI=1059
Re: FW: [globalnews] Der Spiegel: Fundamentalist Bush Regime Wants Crusade Against Islam; Bush Believes God Put Him in Oval Office (Long)
Allan, James and the list. Continuing Allan's question on the difference between News in Australia and other countries. I am trained in writing for the Media and for the past three years worked as a media analyst, after decades of producing a wide range copy for print, radio and TV. Thus I can speak with some authority on the way news is written and presented and identify the intention of the writer and the sub editor. We get quite a lot of your syndicated news on our cable TV and when in the UK, I was also exposed to more of your packaged news, along with the local material. In Australia, we have several tiers of news availability. Our print media is in the hands of only a few and does not have the degree of independence and amount of variety it had in the past. In some ways it is very similar to some papers in the US and the UK, not surprising as the same men own many of them. Our Radio is basically:- commercial, again owned by few, thus a lot of commonality; the ABC, our national broadcaster, which has in depth, investigative journalism and reliable; Radio National a specialized public broadcaster catering for more depth and including greater overseas coverage. Gives much longer time to issues of importance. In TV we have: commercial, again owned by the few, but news and current affairs at greater depth than US or UK; Cable which is largely piped directly from overseas with a bit of local sport and a few programs lifted from commercial TV, a lot of the content is exactly the same as the same channels in the US. Then we have the SBS. This is a gem, it is part of our public broadcasting system, with special coverage to include the interests of our numerous ethnic groups. The news on SBS is much longer in each item and at greater depth than on other broadcasters. There are also a number of news programs from other countries that go to air on SBS. When we want to get a well balanced understanding on an issue, we turn to SBS, Radio National or either of ABC Radio or TV. In addition we have both Radio and TV produced by and for Aboriginal communities, specific to their needs and interests. That said, I think there is a basic difference between the product that goes to air here against that in the US. Our media can question our Government, our businesses and our lifestyle without being seen as anti or non. This does not seem to be the case in the US. There seems to be an official or un-official code of conduct in your media that means many questions are not asked and many subject not covered. From the perspective of one used to our media, I see your media emasculated. Gil
Re: world update
Sorry, you may well be right. I heard it as part of an item on our involvement, but could easily be wrong. Gil Roger Pye wrote: Gil Robertson wrote: Our forces are on what our diminutive Prime Minister calls forward deployment. They left our shores some weeks ago and are in the area. To date I understand we have had four killed when a chopper fell down. Are you sure about this? I thought they were Americans. roger
Re: Gil FW: [globalnews] Der Spiegel: Fundamentalist Bush RegimeWants
Point taken, but our media will also carry other views. When I submitted a letter to the editor to all the major papers, in which I called on the Prime minister and Cabinet to show solidarity with the service personnel they were sending off to war, by having the same immunizations, in public. At least three of them carried it, including the Brisbane Courier Mail, which is about as far away from Port Lincoln you can get and still be on mainland Oz. The Prime Minister declined and said the Minister for Defense would have it symbolically on behalf of the rest. He then said he could if he choose, but at this stage he did not feel the need. Should he decide top visit the war zone he would do so. Try setting that exchange up in another country. Gil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gil, I agree with what you said, but only partially with the last paragraph. I cannot comment on the American media, because I do not know it. I am thinking that globalnews is mostly American and there is stuff in there, we would not hear about in Australia. My main point for consideration, however, is Howard's labelling disagreeing Australians as being 'un-Australian', which has caught on and not been dismissed as a derogatory and slanderous way of belittling people and avoiding a public debate about issues. Regards, Christiane
Re: Worried About Anthrax? By Susun Weed
Jane Sherry wrote: Sorry, Pat, you'll have a hard time convincing me that a supplement is better for me than whole food. Jane Every one to their own. I would prefer to take a couple of fish oil capsules, than eat the whole shark that was killed for it's liver. Gil
Re: chicken feed
Chickens must have a supply of grit in their cop to grind food up, or they can not handle grains and the like. They should always have access to a supply of coarse sand, river gravel fines or shell grit. This can be in a container in a dry and poo free part of their house. Gil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, grit and/or oyster shell? I never know which to get. Some years ago I bought a bunch of cement stepping stones from a school project trying to earn money. A couple of months ago I put one on my deck and it immediately started cracking open. Maybe it dried out, I don't know but I kept seeing hunks hopping off down the steps. I kept watching but never saw it DO anything like move on it's own accord, it would just appear more broken, and pieces laying on the various steps. Finally, I saw my cluster of hens all pecking at the inner portion of the block, trying to break off some of the smaller pebble-sized pieces. They have oyster shell available but maybe I also need to supply plain ol grit too? I thought one would do double duty for both, guess they need more.
Re: OnT Does the benefit outweigh the detriment?
Hi! If folk would like to discuss the technical side of designing and building the electronics to make an Interrupter of like device. I am prepared to help. I think it should be off list as it would be outside most people's area of interest. To be able to do this, one will need to be able to build up circuit board and understand a little about the 555 timer chip. (I say a little as that is about my limit.) I have ideas of how this can be included into broadcast devices. Gil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Folks, It has come down to my attention, a view, regarding the continuous broadcast of the preparations using radionic devices. It seems there is a concern that broadcasting these patterns during detrimental time periods (nodes and other Stella blackout periods) might bewelldetrimental. My initial reaction was that these time periods are small portion of the whole of time and that the beneficial broadcast time should out weigh the bad . After thinking about it a while I landed on that maybe discontinuous broadcast might have advantages. After all a blinking light has more impact than an even brighter continuous light. Maybe cyclic broadcasts might be more effective, keeping the chaos/order energy-building process in mind. (Would the energy patterns start reverting towards chaos after the broadcast was stopped?)(The broadcast does create more order?) So here I ponder. Would it benefit one to keep the Stella in hand when using a broadcast device? Which events would one want to let occur without a broadcast? Would a scheduled broadcast be more effective than one not? How does one figure this out? I know a number of list members do broadcast. It might be beneficial to discuss techniques and process. Trying to sort it out, Ed
Re: Ramial Wood Chips a Steam Weeder
Hi! Steve and Merla, I cant have enough to do to day, as I have worked out the cover of 14 yards of material. 4 would cover 50 ' by 22 ' 3 50' by 30 ' 2 50 ' by 45 ' Gil Steve Diver wrote: When you spread a 14 cu. yd dump truck load, it covers so many square feet. an area of 20' x 50' or some such figure which I'm not going to spend time looking up.
Re: power lines
Hi! Jane/ Deborah With large, high voltage, transmission lines, much of the energy actual travels outside the conductor. This is why if you get too close, it will arc across and zap you. I can tell you of well earthed (grounded) humans vaporizing when high voltage power has arc across several feet of air space. Beyond this distance there is an electrical potential that will not arc across the space, but that will have a marked effect. This can extend to ground level and an electrical engineer friend told me of ranchers in some of the prairie states, intentionally building houses directly under the interstate transmission lines and building an induction coil in the roof space and picking up an useful amount of electricity and running the house hold. He said that the power companies tried to stop this practise, but it is said the court told them to contain their electricity. Going further afiald, there is radiation from the transmission lines that can he detected up to several kilometres away. There is increased occurrences of Cancer and related diseases for about one point eight kilometres each side of the very large transmission lines. You will have most likely noticed distortion or disruption to you car radio when driving near these lines. Power Transformers, even the ones used in residential streets and mounted on the poles in the street, have problems. People who have one of these directly between their antenna and the local TV or Radio transmitter, may have to relocate their antenna, to get best reception. Houses close to these tend to have more cancer cases than average in the street. (This is for long term residents, living in the same house.) Gil. Deborah Byron wrote: Jane wrote: PS: to Lloyd: when I lived in Texas, I cut out a great photo of some researchers standing under a grouping of power lines, holding two fluorescent light bulbs just in their hands, and yes they were lit up. I think I saved it in my picture files. Jane--I'd like to know more about this, specifically what kinds of power lines generate that sort of field. Thanks, Deborah
Re: OT: Smoke Alarm alarming
By far the greater proportion of smoke detectors are the type with the radioactive part. I understand that you need to get it in you lung to do much harm. They are taken back by the resellers in Oz. One should not be burning plastic, so they should not be a risk there. They should not go in the land fill, they should be returned to the recyclers. Gil Jane Sherry wrote: Hello All, I just found out tonight when our smoke alarm kept beeping after changing the battery then taking it down from the ceiling, that it contains a small part with the old radioactive symbol on it and warnings about it containing radioactive material, which if needing repair should be sent to the company.
Re: COMPOST TEA was Re: Perry's recnt posts
Allan Balliett wrote: I'll just put this out here for comment: Alan York and Will Brinton both state that they have never seen or heard of claims of crops reliably produced (this means year after year, something that excludes many variables: repeatability) through the use of radionics, except by people who are involved in selling radionics on some level. First person ndorsements to the contrary are encouraged Gil writes:- I have a lot of difficulty make up my mind as to answer or not answer this sort of post. Do York/ Brinton suggest that the only credible people are those who do not charge for services rendered? Do they get their chemicals free and the knowledge to apply them without charge? If they need an operation, do they pay and trained and equipped person, or do they seek some one with some likely looking tools and who does not charge a professional fee and accept that as a professional service? If all does not go well, do they then denigrate all trained persons? I can not speak for those whom York/ Brinton are judging. It may be that those involved are not fully trained and there fore not providing a reliable service. There may be third party influences that are negating the Radionics. An example is a photograph Hugh published in an Acres USA, that clearly showed the effect of a power line across a crop of corn and the resulting reduction of the beneficial effect. We know that the effect of Nuclear Power Stations is much larger than the promoters would have us think. In many areas, ground water carries so much chemicals from other properties, that one must first start a program of nullifying that before doing other work. Those of us involved, can tell so many stories of positive results, it is with wonderment that we read this sort of statement. Is it possible that York/ Brinton made their judgement on the work of some dabbler who is not properly trained? Gil
Re: COMPOST TEA was Re: Perry's recnt posts
My statement concerning the power lines in Hugh's published photo was to refer to an image that I assume many on the list, if they are serious about non chemical agriculture, would subscribe to Acres and be familiar with that photo. The photo is related to Radionic Broadcast, not trees, cattle or scrub. I mearly noted that example as an image that I thought should be familiar to a reasonable proportion of the list, without posting photographs, which it seems many can not handle. I could list many things that distort or block a Radionic Broadcast. I believe these factors show us clearly how it is working when not blocked or interfered with. As for power transmission lines, both my son and I can detect these when being driven, blindfold in a car. [We have some one else drive.] I also have an instrument and antenna built in Oz by Hugh Sangster, based on Dr Phil Calahan's work, that measures the radiation from Power Lines and the readings are parallel with the sensations experienced by a sensitive when passing under them. Some types of fencing material will interfere with Radionic Broadcast, just as they can negate micro waves and Radar. I can go into this at depth, but it may not be of interest to the list. We also have identified like interference with Towers of Power. Gil Allan Balliett wrote: Gil - This wasn't a call to judgement. It was a simple statement that in the course of their work, Snip
Re: AmaranthusAndQuinoa
Hi! Nelson, There are several things you need to know before anyone can help you. There are more than 300 Amaranthus that are in cultivation, that have been collected from the wild. In addition, there are others that have been breed by selection, to suit particular needs. A large number are only grown as an ornamental plant, as they either do not have the qualities required in a crop, or they have factors that are irritants, such as the hairs on the leaves or spikes on the seeds. Of those grown for crops, for the most part, are either those grown for the leaf, as a forage, or those grown for the seed. Of those grown for seed, some are used for human food direct, while others are grown as chicken or animal food. In addition, there are a small number of varieties that can be used for both leaf and seed. These are really only home garden type options, as they do not produce as much leaf and a leaf specific or seed as a seed specific. In some climates, the Amaranthus can become a weed. So you should act with due caution, when introducing each variety. I have grown it as chicken feed. I grow it in a fenced area adjoining the chicken run and after harvest, I run the chickens in the area to clear every last seed to make sure I do not create a problem. I hand gather the seed heads and store them in sealed plastic drums, with seed from the Persian Lilac or White Cedar [A Neem family tree}. This keeps any bugs from eating it. I usually feed a mixture with wheat, greens and garden scraps. I have eaten the ones recommended for human use. In my twenty inch rainfall, all the types I have trailed require supplementary watering, so I think would only be a problem here in wetter areas. Area for area, it would seem to be more productive than wheat, barley or oats. I find my chicken like it. I guess there are about twelve to fifteen available in Australia from specialist seed suppliers. I would suggest you check with you local agricultural advisory service, as they may have done some work under the local conditions and may supply small quantities of seed to allow you to grow out your own seed supply. Gil Nelson Jacomel Junior wrote: Florianopolis, SC, Brasil January 30, 2003. Dear friends: I've searched our archives loking for the subject but found nothing. Amaranthus and quinoa has been introduced in Brasil some years ago. I've studied the plants with some search in the net and data gathered in Smartt Simmonds's Evolution of Crop Plants. Also I'm going to use Pelikan book. Here in southern Brasil we planted an experimental less-than-one-hectare area and I still need some more datails. (Seeds has been obtained from plants firstly introduced in 1998). So friends may I ask what else can you suggest? Thanks Nelson. - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/
Re: ants in the vanilla
Hi! Henry, Predators of any kind indicate a sick organism. Rather than trying to get rid of the ants, look to how you can boost the vitality of the desired crop. Is there changes of soil, different history etc. that could account for differences between areas of the property? Are all the plants of like age and quality? Get down on your knees and have a good look at the soil. Smell it, taste it, feel it, what visible signs of life are there? Gil Henry Karczynski wrote: Dear list serve, I am having problems with ants eating the pre-florescence vanilla buds on my farm in Costa Rica. This problem reduces the amount of flowers that can be hand pollinated. I have identified at least six different ant types (there are more) which colonize the plants through pruning cuts on the host trees. Interestingly this phenomenon is occuring only in certain lots of the farms.
Re: whingers about Jane Sherry's news postings
Sure I can, Tony and mostly do so. It worries me that with a thousand hits a week, we attract so few to join.. This list is highly indebted to a small number of experienced folk, who also have the ability and willingness to share their accumulated knowledge with those of us who are isolated or just starting out. I think we owe it to them that their contributions are not lost in a mulch of unrelated material. Gil Tony Nelson-Smith wrote: Will, Gil et al. - I sometimes open and read Jane's 'news' postings, but quite often I realise that I'm not too interested and simply select, then delete them. It takes about 10 seconds. Couldn't you do the same? Tony N-S.
Re: not cabin fever!
Last Saturday we had 43C, coolest place in the state, did very little apart from picking fruit early and drying it. Sunday low twenties and a very welcome half inch of rain. Our friends in the Eastern States still have terrible bush fires, 600 odd houses and five or six dead. Gil gideon cowen wrote: Up here in sunny Scotland we had 17 degrees C. last sunday !! Hotter than some summer days, I just had to dig out my motorbike and go for a ride, what the hell is going on with the weather ??? Gideon. - Original Message - .
Re: to Jane Sherry
I'm with you, Will. I am quite capable of finding all the information I require, without having it chosen for me. I actually sit on this list in the hope of gleaning some information on Biodynamics. Jane could you post your material to another list, such as the Not BD Now list. It would save us, collectively, hours a day deleting it, so we can read that which we are interested in - BD and the like. Gil Will Winter wrote: this stuff, which mostly comes by way of my ex-journalist-husband-who-reads-everything's- mailing list. If you can't tell, he reads really fast!!! IS YOUR REFERRAL SERVICE *OPTIONAL* ON THIS SITE? HOW MUCH WOULD I HAVE TO PAY YOU TO MAKE IT STOP! JEEZ!!! WGW
Re: to Jane Sherry
Thank you Jane, Last time I dared to mention that I did not understand why, in the face if Allan's stand on short emails, he allowed your seemingly endless, non original postings, he threatened to unsub me. So this time he may do just that. I do not understand why you think that an interest in BD necessarily means we are not capable of accessing our own information. I find that to be an unreasonable generalisation. I for one will enjoy the reduction of non theme traffic. Gil Jane Sherry wrote: Dear Happy Biodynamic specialists, I really do wish you luck in trying to promote/use/educate bd methods divorced from spirituality and the great big world out there! Frankly, I am tired of being the object of people's bull shit, anger, misplaced emotions or just frustration because I have this idea that bd is part of a larger whole.
Re: Looking for a new CSA name
Hi! Allan, How about The Fast Supper? Totally meaningless, but close enough to something well known, to make people think, regardless of their intentions. Every time they mentally check to see it is that, with which it rhymes, it reinforces your business and could potentially be good cheap advertising. I note that www.thefastsupper.com is not in use. Your graphic could depict RS standing at the road side stall, it loaded with ready to eat produce and his self flanked by a dozen who have taken his ideas and set out to spread them across the world in a popular movement... If I was handling the promotion, I would pick pick some gullible cleric and send the media with a copy of the graphic to ask him it it was true he objected to your use of the image... [I would have a cartoonist do the graphic, using the composition and putting the figures in the same positions.] Gil Robertson THE ALL SHOP Allan Balliett wrote: Again - I'm reaching out,
Re: Talks with Devas (2)
Roger Pye wrote: I was crying. If I continued to be terrified I would be a complete liability - and a physical wreck - before very long. I said Great Spirit, please send help for me and for Robin, my family, our friends and our city. Help came, instantly, initially in the presence of the four devas who live here. Snip Thank you for this wonderful post. Gil
Re: Root storage
Hi! Manfred, My storage experience goes back to childhood in the Adelaide Hills, which is snow free, but with many frosts. The old folk stored root crops in cellars and dark sheds. They used old bath tubs and large wooden boxes. They put down layers dry quartz sand from the bed of a river and layers of the root veg. The veg were washed gently and the tops cut back to a couple of inches long. Care was taken to harvest at the peak of condition and store only sound veg. Any damaged veg was used for other uses. They also stored turnips for cow feed. They also made huge amounts of pickles, jams and preserves. Gil manfred wrote: Folks, ...planning how much to sow if i can store outside next season. Does anyone have experience or anecdotal info from oldtimers re the outdoor fall/winter/spring storage of Swede turnips, carrots, beets?
Re: Swallowing a cat if you have a mouse inside
Will Winter wrote: Dusting or feeding DE to animals is a great way to give yourself (and other innocent victims) in the barn or stable LUNG CANCER. It is just like inhaling tiny slivers of glass, e.g. SILICOSIS. Good call, Will! Gil
Re: Canberra Wildfire
Roger Pye wrote: we need your prayers tonight very badly Hi! Roger, What is the latest on the fires. We trust that the weather will be kinder and the worst has passed. My daughter, who lives in western Melbourne, phoned from the tram stop at seven this morning on her way to work, to ask how far smoke from a big fire travels as the sun came up bright red and the atmosphere full of smoke, assumedly from the fires on the NSW/ Vic border. It is raining in the west of SA and near Adelaide. But not here (Port Lincoln) Regards Gil
Re: Hauschka reprint
Unfortunately, this site is not available from Oz. Anyone able to help with another address? Gil Allan Balliett wrote: Great news! One of my favorite biodynamic books has now been reprinted, Dr. Hauschka's The Nature of Substance, and also (one I haven't read) Nutrition (same author). Both are available from JPI, or http://www.anthroporess.comwww.anthroporess.com Christy Thanks, Christy! Important stuff!! -Allan
Re: where in Texas?/ Private archives?
Hi! I think the idea of a list of know sites for your broadcasters would be a matter of interest to all of us, even those who may never visit your country. We would be able to get some idea of the type of operations that had taken them on board and the sort of country they are servicing. But as has been mentioned in other posts, that information in the public domain is not necessarily the best place for it. While any closed group can easily be penetrated, it takes more effort than googleing. I have a brother in-law who does not keep email addresses and when he wants mine, he just googles and his emails often start with comment on one of my posts. So, Allan, I am in favour of moving the archive to pass word access. Gil Hugh Lovel wrote: Dear Martha, It's a big state. I must have a dozen field broadcaster users in Texas--at least. It's big with grassmen and longhorn raisers. You probably don't run across these folks. I'm going to have to put up a field broadcaster's list I guess. Hugh Hugh writes: I think what you, Jeff, Allan and others, particularly in Hawaii, Texas, the midwest and out on the west coast, have done as regards making BD info available to the public Are there demo farms in Texas? I know of one or two practitioners, but I was unaware of any teaching facilities. When Peaceable Kingdom was going strong in Brenham, it's (then) director used biodynamic methods to some extent. He has since moved to Dripping Springs may be involved in a similar enterprise there as well? Interesting note, when I went to Fredricksburg (alt energy convention), they had a short seminar on an intro to biodynamics. Two guys had purchased land that once was a military base (cement, hard packed dirt, barren, inhospitable.) In 2 - 3 years, they had turned it around to become one of the more productive farmsteads in the area. They were at the seminar, explaining their techniques. I don't think I ever converted my notes to the computer, but I probably have them around in one of my bookshelves. (must go dig now!) Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
Re: Personal Security vs National Security
Hi! Jeff, Do not take those comments personally. I think they are directed at a few individuals, known to some on the list, but not the bulk of us. I think it is aimed at a few who are doing the "my God is a better God than yours" or "my god is the only God, therefore yours must be the devil" type thing. I think many of us on this list believed RS when he told us to go on learning and that we would take his work further. In much of Oz, the soil/ climate/ vegetation/ crops/ seasons/ stars etc are quite unlike those with which RS was dealing. It may be that at some point in the future, we will evolve a set of Preps that more closely approximates the needs of the local conditions. If this comes to pass, I believe RS would approve. But I am equally sure that there would be those who would excommunicate us, if they have not already done so. Gil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Gil! wading isn't an option at this depth!
Re: Personal Security vs National Security - Web spider
Thank you Zoran, I am upgrading at the moment and the new box has ten gigs so will have room, if I am quick! Gil zoran wrote:
Re: Personal Security vs National Security
Also answers to King? Gil Allan Balliett wrote: David - What is your real name? -Allan
Re: Personal Security vs National Security
Hi! Allan, If you are to move to have the earlier archives expunged, I for one would like to buy how ever many CDs are involved to obtain a full set of back posts, as I have only been on for a while and only now found out how to access them. I would really like to be able to look though them at some time in the future. Gil Allan Balliett wrote:. The archives would not be available to lurkers, only to posters. CD-Rom is the appropriate way to go. These could be sent out at cost, etc. Each CD could be cumultive, and so on. I'll also move to have the earlier archives expunged. What say? -Allan
Re: tree topic
Could some one be kind enough to give step by step instruction for accessing the archive? I have never made it. Gil Lloyd Charles wrote: My BDNOW (email) folder has over 2495 entries. I was pretty sure the topic of trees as broadcasters has been addressed before now, but I can't locate it in all the conglomerated mess that is BDNOW folder. July 2001 there are several articles 'trees as cosmic pipe ' or similar Peter Michael Bacchus, Hugh Lovel, et al
Re: BD Farming in America
Hi! Gary, You make a very valid point. It is fine for those of us who have been around a while to speak in some sort of cryptic short hand, that only we understand, but what about the casual visitor or those early on the path and wondering what it is all about. Good point and one that should be addressed by Allan as the list Sysop. Most of the people on the list are much more experienced than I am. I have been non chemical for a period, organic for a shorter period and Biodynamic for even a lessor period. The further confuse you I am really into Permaculture, Radiesthesia and Radionics! All these fit together for me, into a way of producing food (mainly for me and my family) that is GM Free, Chemical Free and as healthy as we know at this point in time. In our heavily compromised soil in the remote parts of Oz, we have to start with balancing the minerals in the soil and adding a lot of carbon, just to get a soil that was worth starting on. BD, as covered on the list, be it US or Oz or NZ or other, is the cumulating of many years of evolution, starting from the original lectures by RS. RS encouraged us to further develop his work and to add to it. Unfortunately, like happens in some religions, there are those who believe they are the only ones who know the the truth. On this list there are also many free minded ones who know enough, to know they do not know it all. They are the ones who you should share with. They will admit they can still learn. They will tell you all they know and take time to listen to you. If you have specific questions, feel free to post them to the list. Gil Port Lincoln Oz. gary elliott wrote: What is it you have, and why should I listen? That, my friends, is the nub of what you need to answer.. Clarify your message, and foment a revolution of thought in your target audience. Which is the world.
Re: BD Farming in America
Hi! Allan, Good Post. My introduction to BD was AP with that well known TV special, all those years ago. It still took years until I saw other people actually doing it and eating their produce to make me want to make the move. It was then with their help and encouragement that I set out to learn as much as I could and to make the move, having been non chemical for ten years or more. It has also been Hugh Lovel freely sharing his knowledge with all of us that has been of great encouragement. Gil Oz
Re: dowsing
Hi! Roger, My father's family was descended from Irish Catholic stock and at a wedding they could not wait to get the ring off the brides finger to spin it first over her and then over to groom to see who many children of which sex, each would parent. By this they determined how many would be conceived between the sheets (of the matrimonial bed) and how many out side the sheets as well as the total tally. Gil Roger Pye wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anyone direct me to some good sites on dowsing?
Re: nettle seeds
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At that time I was raising some exotic finches and other birds. I'd moved the cages to a row run shed behind the house, and the following season, I was seeing strange weeds in the goat fields next door. It could be that the manure from the cages is altering to soil to one suited to the nettles and the seed was there any way, but not finding the right conditions, did not sprout. Gil
Re: source of nettle seeds
Hi! Christiane. In the natural order of things, in countries like Oz, nettles grow on land, over manured by sheep, cows, horses etc, not native animals. They tend to grow around sheep yards and the drains of milking sheds etc. They are deep rooted and bring useful minerals from the lower levels and make good compost, both liquid and in the normal heap. There are a number of nettles and one in particular is grown for herbal use, with seed available from specialists seed lists. Prepare the bed with lots of well rotted cow/ sheep/ horse manure/ compost and harvest before seed set or you may have more than you want. Normally allowed to flower, but picked before seed is viable. Very useful as a herbal tea. If only a small quantity required, the wild one will do. I England I saw a very large one, five or six feet high and taking over lightly grazed paddocks. I suggested that they could make good money drying it if the market would take it, but they did not seem to use it over there. Gil
Re: Organic Seed Catalogs and Hellp for organic farmers in developing countries
Hi! Merla, Good Post. Most important. A group in Oz is doing some good work, they travel and actually set up locally based Seed Banks and teach the locals to save and maintain their own seed. Where needed, additional types of vegetables and fruit are made available from other seed banks. In Oz we also have our local seed banks, as well as drawing on the National one at Seedsavers. Check them at :- www.seedsavers.net Gil Merla Barberie wrote: When I read the email that Cornell University and USAID are doing a 5 year project to promote GMO seeds in the Philippines, Indonesia, Bangladesh, India and Africa, I was abashed.
Re: Organic Seed Catalogs and Hellp for organic farmers in developing countries
There are a number of Seedsaver Groups in North America, but I do not know of any doing the volunteer work in developing countries, as our folk are doing. They work closely with the Permaculture movement and many people are involved in both groups. We are also teaching Permaculture in a lot of developing and damaged countries as a means of empowering locals to take control of their own situation. It is much more to the point to give people the skills and means to grow their own food, than to give ongoing handouts of unfamiliar food. I don't know the Fenton's personally, but have a number of mutual friends. Locally we have a seed bank in our Permaculture Group, which specializes in locally acclimatized food seeds. By doing this we get rare seeds from Seedsavers or others and grow them on for several years, then distribute them locally. This works well. Gil Merla Barberie wrote: The Seedsaver's Network www.seedsavers.net is just what I was sketchingly thinking about.
Re: ADMIN: Re: Science article on BD
Happy Christmas, Allan and the List. With respect, as 2003 dawns, is it time to have a parallel List that caters for those with the capability to handle graphics and attachments? I am about to install the replacement for the three year old (to me) computer, which cost a hundred Oz dollars = half that in Greens and a third in Stirling. The old computer handles anything that comes over normal internet lists. I live in a remote part with a slow and doubtful connection, but do not have difficulties with other lists. Have a good one folk! Gil Allan Balliett wrote: Broke both of the golden rules with one click of the mouse.
Re: nettle beer
Hi! Flylo, Thank you Gil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you're interested in this (unusual) topic, run a search in google.
Re: Perfect Orchard-Calcium
Hi! Roger, Great post, as all ways, Have a good one! Gil Roger Pye wrote: Allan Balliett wrote:
Re: what about honey?
Hi! Flylo, Most life forms prefer a near neutral conditions, thus either side of pH 7 suits many more than 5 or 9. The common preservatives move the pH, such as putting fish or vegetables in vinegar. Sugar and honey in jam etc, provides an environment that bacteria etc did not like. Salt is used in many applications. Thus salt, sugar and honey are all traditional and very effecting healing methods. Honey also has particular contents that make it a very useful healing material. Gil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I used to hear the old cowpokes around here talk about getting gored, or some other really horrendous wounds to either themselves, their horses, or the cattle in their charge while on some of the last cattle drives from Tx to Ks. They would pour sugar into the wound and if it was really serious, 'fire it' by sticking a stick from the campfire directly into the wound. I suspect if the treatment didn't kill the patient, they weren't all that seriously injured. But, I have to wonder if honey would coat a tree wound enough that it could heal up on it's own. Of course, 'with a grain of salt', I have to remember the man who used to tell these stories was Old Mr. Floyd. Mr. Floyd was a little bitty man, old and hard. He ran cows on our property, and would come by to discuss whatever men talk about. Occasionally my Dad would send me to the house because the talk would turn to 'bulls'. (probably bullshit, but he didn't want me to pick up on whatever palaver was about to be spilled.) I only knew Mr. Floyd was a very mean old man. He had dogs, cattle, horses, and none of them really liked him much. His cows would get out of the fence, and he'd force them to go back in the hole they came out of, no matter if the gate was within riding distance or not. mean, ya know? But he was of that last cowboy era, maybe it was all he knew. He'd be the cattle buyer from this area, going around picking up strays, cows up off Old Boggy and round up enough to make up a sizeable stringer then take out, looking for some trail ride to join with. It's a lost era and lost with the passing of men like mean Mr. Floyd. I only wish I'd been a little older so I could remember more of his stories, and learned about more of the way of life that he missed so much that it made him bitter. He had a great saddle, I learned to ride in that saddle. It felt like glove leather and was like sitting in a Lazy Boy lounger. He couldn't possibly have fit that saddle, but he used it until he couldn't swing it on a horse any more. It had a huge roping horn on it, and it looked like it'd snagged many a boogery ol cow.. It took a stout horse to carry Mr. Floyd, but only because he'd run himself and the horse to exhaustion before it occurred to him that either might want a drink at some point. Did I say he was mean?
Re: Thank you Merla
Hi! Tony, Are you offering instructions on making the brew? Tony Nelson-Smith wrote: Even better, you could make nettle beer (in which the nettles mainly provide the flavour); SNIP even better, the wife disappeared after a while and was found passed out on the bathroom carpet. It was then recognised as being really rather good.
Monsanto in financial trouble
Monsanto have gone too far and now they are in financial trouble. Have a look at http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/2589789.stm Gil
Re: sealant for cut tree limb?
Hi! Tony, I have little Walnut experience as an adult as I live out side the range they do. I came from a wet, cold area, which was good for growing them, but not good for grafting them, as they bleed as you have found. I have been told that the most successful nursery was in a very windy gully on the edge of the range that had huge gully winds (gales) many nights. They made the cut on a steep angle to aid drainage and faced the cut to the wind. They support the graft with splints and get a good result. They also work but the calendar to have the sap down at the time. So if planting new trees, look for the windiest part of the property and be aware of positioning the cut surfaces to catch the wind. Gil Tony Nelson-Smith wrote: it is my understanding that sealers are out of vogue and that properly done pruning cuts should be left un-dressed. Allan - What do you recommend for such trees as walnut, where the stump of a cut limb may weep copiously for a week or more? Sealant won't stick, charring doesn't work (in spite of my advice to Lily!) and sap seeps out even from the most tightly taped plastic covering. It can't be good for the tree, especially as the leaking sap encourages moulds, but one occasionally has to trim a branch or tidy up a break. Tony N-S. _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
Re: PLEASE, don't think that that is all you can do
Allan Balliett wrote: Even if you don't give a hoot for canola or soy as foods - - and, properly handled, soy is an excellent food for humans - - please open your heart to the harm that organic farmers are experiencing through Monsanto's carelessness and their power. Sorry Allan, but if you do your research, you will find that neither canola or soy are suitable a foods for humans. Collectively they contribute a wide range of disease and disability. We can handle small amounts but not if we have them in so many processed foods and the likes of margarine, which in turn, are included in so many processed foods, we soon get a massive overload. I work in the area of food allergy/ food intolerance and these are things that if removed, in every form from effected people's diet, will make large and often life altering changes. I try to eat zero canola and soy, as they are included in so many processed foods. Gil
Re: earwigs
Hi! Tobias. There are a number of different earwigs. I think the problem one is an import. They have a very interesting habit that makes then suited to low technology trapping. They are largely nocturnal and like to rest in a cool dark place during the heat of the day, as now. They like to go into a low space and like to put their head into where there is pressure down from above and the floor. Thus if you get two bits of say old flooring board, say six inches (150 ml) by three quarters of an inch (18 ml), say two feet (600 ml) long. The trick is to hinge them, so that one long side is touching and the other is say a quarter inch (6 ml) apart, thus forming a narrow wedge shaped space. Some car tube or like rubber and a few nails and a bit if improvisation will do it. If the weather is really hot, give it a spray down with water the day before to make it dampish and cool, if very hot, have it in the shade. In the early morning, the earwigs will go into the space, until they have their heads in the narrow space. When you get out and about, step on each trap in a manner to close the gap and squash the earwigs. Take a bucket with you and an old paint brush and brush them into the bucket and reset the trap. If you do not kill them all. Have some water in the bucket with a couple of drops of biodegradable detergent in it. They will soon drown. When they are all dead, put in the compost heap. Lots of earwigs can be an indicator that you may not have a really active soil biota system, as if the dead vegetative material is being broken down quickly enough, there should not be enough waste to allow a population to build up. Gil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would somebody have a good idea about control of earwigs in lettuce and other vegetables ? Up until now I thought earwigs are good predators of other insects , we used to nurture them back in Germany in orchards . Here they can do quite a bit of damage to full grown vegies and just emerging crops. Thank's for good ideas! Tobias This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient or received it in error, please delete the message and notify sender. Views expressed are those of the individual sender and are not necessarily the views of their organisation.
Radionics/ Broadcasters
Hi! Per Garp I can understand you being lost. We all started there. Radionics is a particular area of study, within the much larger field of Energetic Healing. Energetic Healing includes Reiki, Reflexology, Accupressure, Aromatherapy, Dowsing, Flower Essences, Gem Essences, Homoeopathy, Tissue Salts, Radiesthesia and many other studies. All of these look at an Organism as an energy body, rather than from a chemical or physical stand point. Organism may be human, animal, insect, plant or in the case of Agricultural Radionics, an area of land. Most of us on this list actually use both Radiesthesia and Radionics. Radionics is basically Radiesthesia with an instrument. Most of us use a pendulum to dowse our analysis of the organism, often also using a Radionic Analysis Instrument. This is Radiesthesia. We then use one or several Radionic Instruments. There are a huge number of different Radionic Instruments, but only a few in common use. Radionic Instruments use a representation of the energy of an organism or part of the organism. This may be a number, such as James referred to for moisture. I think that may be a Drown Rate. She was an early key player in Radionics. In Base 10 the Rate would be 0.28. In Base 44 we would use 19 08 30 33. We could also use Water Circulation (in the soil) 323678 or 18 38 27 30. Most of us also use a Malcolm Rae Instrument or several. These use a small card about the size of a small playing card, with a geometric shape with represents the energy imprint. (The Base 44 is also a Rae instrument.) With these instruments, we are analysing what is needed and then making a Cure, which is very much like a homoeopathic and may be in a liquid or a tablet. This may be sprayed on a crop or Broadcast using some sort of broadcast instrument. Some Radionic Instruments are also broadcasters. James is using a pyramid broadcaster he has developed. Hugh is ever developing his Field Broadcaster. I am working on The Atlantian Bed as a broadcaster and can be directly connected to a number of different types of Radionic Instruments. I also have a number of other broadcasters, ranging from small and simple to large and very complex. Just which instrument is used is dependant one the type of work and how many treatments are done at a time. Many Radionic Practitioners treat between hundreds to thousands of individual broadcasts at a time. This requires dedicated rooms, a sizeable investment and relies on good record keeping. Hugh is leading the way with taking BD and delivering it as an energy application, allowing him to support an much larger amount of land than could be done physically. It is this sort of work that in time has the potential to take on the chemical industry and to offer a real alternative. Gil
Re: Perfect Orchard
Hi! Per Garp/NH, Has it occurred that you may not have a suitable site for what you want to do? By this I mean would it be better to obtain a more suited site? If you are stuck with the site:- Hard pan usually means several things are involved. Clay, not enough soil carbon, reduced soil biota activity, lack of air/ oxygen in the soil, water saturated soil for at least part of the year, not enough calcium in the soil, heavy traffic, either machinery or stock on wet and depleted soil. Clay has the ability to cling together and form tough blocks. Great for making adobe or pise houses. Increased soil carbon and increased soil biota will help, but in the short term use one to four tonnes of gypsum to the hectare, will break the clay and allow water penetration and largely break the pan without ripping. If you trench, you will most likely loose your soil into the lower regions and bring the clay to the surface. It will also tend to make a place for water to lay and rot the roots. I would not do it. Try gypsum first. Soil carbon and soil biota activity are inter-related. In Oz we have very low soil carbon and are for ever looking for ways of adding carbon. Coal dust from a coal washing facility/ some fly ashes from power stations, composts of high carbon materials etc can be used if available. With all these it is most important to have enough nitrogen in the soil to allow the soil biota to use these. Growing legume cover crops is the best way to do this. Do not get sucked into chemical nitrogen, most of it is not in a form the soil/ plants can use. Other wise it is a matter of growing as much cover crops etc and allowing it incorporate. This may be just mowing and allowing to lay on top, or incorporating with tillage. If chopped finely and sprayed with the compost preps, they will break down and enter the soil surprisingly quickly. My preference is low till/ no till. To get the soil biota going, some dilute molasses or other sugar sprayed in the cut cover crop with the preps will really help. Soil oxygenation will tend to come with the use of gypsum and improved soil carbon and soil activity. One can use a chisel plough, but I prefer to let the soil biota do it. Water stagnation may be site related, but if it is related to the pan, it will improve as the effect of the above comes into play. Calcium will come from the application of gypsum. The test for enough calcium is to walk around in really wet weather. If you have to clean your boots to get in the car, you do not have enough calcium, so add more gypsum. As far as traffic impacted soil, try and keep the loading as low as possible, particularly when wet. Also I note that the soil does not compact as much if the full BD cycle is carried out. Gil COYOTEHILLFARM wrote: Perfect Orchard what would it be like. A very practical question, please describe an ideal plantation of an Orchard starting from scratch. In my case with a hard pan, and we will plant Hybrids grapes (cold hardy types) We will start digging a 3 foot wide trench 3 foot dip for the purpose of loosening up the hardpan, and as long as we plan to plant. In our case we also need to drain the field from stagnated water, Ok, what do we do next ?? Hardy and decease resistant grapes. Mulch or not Cover crop or not What type of cover crop Companion planting with the cover crop Grassing animals in the vineyard and more Thanks, for your input. Per Garp/NH
Re: Hugo Erbe
Hi! Mark, I would be interested. It may be that the print run would be so small that the cost of type setting would make the per copy price over the top. Would you consider publication as an E book and charge the usual five dollars a down load and we can either keep it on the computer or print a single copy for our own use. Gil Gil Robertson P.O. Box 51 Port Lincoln SA Australia 5606 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 61 8 86843698 Mark Moodie wrote: I would be interested to hear if there is interest in an English Translation of 'Working with the Elementals' which details Hugo Erbe's work.
Re: Overseas Visitors was Re: Search function
It's allright, Allan, we know all about Freudian slips. Gil Allan Balliett wrote: What they usually have in their suitcases are a bunch of little koala beers that have spring loaded arms that will let them grip pencils, much to the delight of North American children. -Allan Thanks Allan - nice save LCharles Charles, I swear I meant to say 'bears' BEARS. It was not my intention to add fuel to the stereotyping that the Foster's ads have created!! -Allan
Re: We grow Lemons but never make Lemonade
Allan Balliett wrote: I shed the most tears for the pounds of cabbage loopers that cycle unharvested through my brassicas each year. I've never eaten one, not even the ocassional one that floats on top of the broccoli steaming water. Hi! Allan, I assume the cabbage loopers are the grub of the White Cabbage Butterfly. They are susceptible to a crush or Ferment Pepper. I had them very bad one time and was going to ferment them and spray the area. I collected fifty odd and took them to the house, intending to set up a fermentation and crushed them while having a cup of tea. I just used the back of a tea spoon in the grove of a dinner plate. This produced a streaky green liquid with a small amount of more solid parts. I had a new, three dollar Trigger Pak, so poured the more fluid part into it and diluted it in a couple of hundred mills of rain water. I percussed it a hundred times and went to the garden where there were over two hundred Brassicas, all with thirty to fifty loopers. I walked around and sprayed a little most plants and in the atmosphere in the whole of the garden. There were several hundred adult white cabbage butterflies in the area. The next day only a handful of butterflies and noticeable fewer loopers. In five days only a few odd loopers in the whole garden and just two butterflies. In following years, we usually only see a few and if in any numbers we repeat the above. If you can't bring your self to eat them, send them to the neighbours
Re: Freezing preps
Nancy Geffken wrote: (Dumb question hour.) Can the preps freeze and retain their forces? I've read not - but you can freeze seeds with no loss of vitality. What is the difference? If you wos freezed, wot would your vitality be like. Preps are active life forces = vibrations. Seeds are life in limbo. Thus some can stand many different situations and still come to life, when the time is right, while others will not. In broad terms, the harder the seed, the more resistant to conditions and the longer lasting it is. Example; some acasia seeds and other Oz seeds need fire or at least smoke water, i.e. rain after a bush fire, to promote germination. At the other end, some seeds must be planted within two weeks of maturity, or too late. Gil __ The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/
Re: corn ash
Hi! Flylo, Traditional Aboriginals cook in the ashes. Most wood in Oz is hardwood and much of it burns with great heat, when compared with softwoods. The Traditional cooking fire is very small and produces a surround of asks, which maintain the heat. When cooking pieces of meat or small animals, reptiles, fish or birds, they are just laid on the asks for a few minutes, turned ounce and lifted off with a forked twig. It is given a shake to remove the loose material, but over time a quantity must be eaten. When eating meals cooked in a western manner, Aboriginals pile on hugh amounts of salt. So there may be something in it. Aboriginals also used wood ask as an antiseptic. Wounds were filled with ask and seldom became infected, but scarred badly, as the skin would grow over the damaged profile and not return the original shape. With deep wounds that had serious bleeding, such as spear wounds, they would sear the wound with a burning stick from the fire and fill with ashes. They brung 'em up tough out there! Gil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was reading Buffalo Birdwoman's Garden again and came across the description of eating ashes in place of salt for seasoning on foods.
Re: back now
Hi! Matha, Welcome back. Hope you aree now very well and able to take an active part in the activities on this site. Gil, Port Lincoln Australia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought I'd just come back to lurk n learn. But alas, I have to let ya'll know I'm back.
Re: Northern Star BD Planting Calendars PLUS MORE
Allan, who is playing Mr Grumpy, to day? What could be more to the point for a BD List? We have acres of reposted material from other non related lists on political/ social/ conspiracy etc, to wade through and find the odd bit to do with BD/ Organics. When some one posts a notice on one of the very few calendars, that are so important for people, who are as slack as I, and can't be bothered do the calculations my self. You jump them. I welcome the publicity on this calendar, having used the Southern form for ten years or more. As for the paper, anything wrong with having it in the office? Realistically one only needs to glance at it a couple of times a week and then remember the days and times preferred for tasks, if the other factors like soil moisture allow. Gil Allan Balliett wrote: Michael - Normally flat-out commercial announcements go through me before they go to the list. Of course, this one is right on topic and no harm has been done. I do want to make a few comments that I would have made to you in private had you addressed this off-line initially. Snip
Re: Droughts and rainmaking
Hugh and Lloyd, Regards to both of you. I am way behind with my emails, thus the long over due reply. James, could I save you a lot of time, in regard to trying to measure Radionic Instruments, using electrical/ electronic type parameters. The Radio part of Radionics, is an early misconception by Abrams, who at the time thought that as Radio was new, his discovery must some how be able to be explained in those terms. The energy we are dealing with is not electricity, magnetic or for that matter, electromagnetism. We are dealing with another type of energy, which demonstrably travels faster than the speed of electricity/ light. Not only can it travel considerable distances, undiminished, it can travel to other levels and bring back information on those who have passed over. The current developments in Radionics, do not use instruments in the traditional sense. There are paper based instruments that work faster than the familiar black box with knobs. There is another difficulty in trying to measure instruments. The instrument is only a focus, the actual work is done by the practitioner's mind. So if you have difficulty getting a satisfactory measurement from an instrument, you may have to look at the person using it. Taking this one step further, there is little point measuring an isolated instrument, as, it, it's self, does nothing. It is the practitioner. It is like taking a set of bagpipes in isolation and making objective measurements, with no piper. While there are those unbelievers who do not consider that bagpipes ever produce music, without a trained and much practised piper, even I will agree that no recognisable music can be discerned. SO if you want to make comparative measurements, it is necessary to have some one actively using an instrument, while a second person makes observations and using some method, such as dowsing, make some form of value measurement. I understand that when the NSW Dowsers did some research on the effectiveness of a number of instruments, they made a number of standard Homoeopathic Remedies up, at a number of potencies and also bought current stock from traditional manufacturers. They covered all the containers and each dowser, dowsed contents and potency. The results were tabulated and the instrument prepared examples measured up closer to potency than those off the shelf. There were some differences in the out put of different instruments, that I should not put in the public domain, as I was not present and my information is second hand. If you examine the innards of most Radionic Instruments, the wiring does not conform to electronic logic. There are also some subtle details that are not obvious, so be careful, if buying an instrument, make sure it has been made by a Radionic Practitioner and not an instrument maker. At the least, consult your pendulum and ask: Is this instrument appropriate for me to use to do . Gil James Hedley wrote: Dear Lloyd, At no point in my Email did I infer that you should throw away your Refractometer or pH meter. Even although I dowse, to me figures or readings from an instrument are equally fascinating. That is why at this time I am trying to make radionic instruments with very sensitive microvolt meters built into them to satisfy myself that I am getting the action from radionic instruments that I think that I am getting.. Rationalised testing of what I am doing has always been an aim of mine. Snip
Re: 2002 500
sstorch, I find this most interesting. It is likely that your large terra cotta urn is working as a Paramagnetic Resonator. It may be that it functions, firstly as an antenna to collect the desired energies, then as a resonator to contain and magnify them. I think you have Steiner super charger Gil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been making 500 by placing the packed horns in a large terra cotta urn that is buried in the earth and filled with dried screened barrel compost. The horns are also stored in the urn between uses Snip
Re: Droughts and rainmaking change to Dreaming of Preps/Compost/Refractometer/Cow/Chickens
Hi! Merla, Gerber's Vibrational Medicine is a standard, if a bit daunting to read the first time. It is really the sort of book to have on the shelf to dip into when needed as few of us would be ready to retain all of it at first encounter. Re: measuring the temperature of compost. Most of us use our arm. Burrow your hand in and if it is too hot for comfort on the inside of your fore arm, it is working nicely. When it starts to be noticeably comfortable, it is time to turn the heap. This usually requires some redampening. Either have some one assist or set up some of those small fan sprays from a micro irrigation system. The aim is to have the dampness about the same as clothes just out of the spin dryer of a two tub washing machine. A lot of us use compounds made from non returnable freight pallets wired in fours. To extend, just add three more and you have a second pen When turning, remove the front one and take the top and put it in the bottom of the new pen next door. Then pull the middle of the first lot out and place the sides, front and back in the middle of the new heap and put the middle of the first on top. I have the micro fan sprays so they easily attach to the three sides of the pen and have a convenient tap for control and adjustment. The heap should heat up again after turning. It is preferable to turn at least twice in the life of a compost heap and will reduce time involved, if in a temperate climate. That is four to eight weeks in the clement parts of the Antipodes. While it is possible to get all misty eyed over the delights of fresh milk, the pastoral smell of fresh poo, contented cud chewing and tails flicking flys away, I would settle for getting the small amount of fresh cow poo else where. Gil Merla Barberie wrote: I got my library to buy A Practical Guide to Vibrational Medicine by Richard Gerber that someone recommended a millennium ago. The chapter on Radionics was actually a history of inventors and practitioners. It helped a lot and some of it was hard for me to understand and then it was explained that the practitioner was a psychic which explained it all. I just need to start from square one and learn how to douse. Those of us who are neophytes need to start at square one to understand what Gil and Hugh and many others know by experience. There are so many things to learn. I buried 13 horns (got 12 from Joe, a friend in Priest River) with manure sealed with bentonite clay several days ago. (Hugh, how do you make horn clay?) Now I read Steve Storch's description of his horn burying and I want to dig mine up and rebury them with 2002 BD compost or some of the potting soil we put in barrels and sprayed with 500/BC. The Compost Tea Digest 121 is discussing plant respiration and taking brix measurements with a refractometer. I want really badly to do this in the 2003 season and am bothering my Weed Supervisor to let me buy a refractometer on the grant. I'm really concerned about testing for E. coli 157 in my compost pile. My husband made up the pile while I was gone to Lovettsville when he got the use of a truck. (Our truck has been in the shop for a year waiting for an engine rebuild. The engine is in pieces and our mechanic gets to it when he has time.) Herb says there was lots of bedding in the manure from miniature horses and a full-sized one, goats and emus and there was no need to layer it. I've never measured temperature in a compost pile, so I guess I need to buy a thermometer. What kind do I look for? We can't all be perfect. I keep bringing up buying a cow and my husband sighs and says it's impossible here. We would have to clear the trees off 7 acres (5 to grow hay for the winter and 2 for pasture in the summer) and build up the soil. We have to put up a NZ electric game fence and pay more property taxes because that would change the tax designation on the 7 acres. I'm also interested in having chickens, but he says that they would dig up the garden big time unless they were penned. A friend has invented a hen house with four entrances and a movable chicken wire framework. This is all very exciting and frustrating to me. I can dream, but putting things into practice is much, much harder. Best, Merla Gil Robertson wrote: Hugh and Lloyd, Regards to both of you. I am way behind with my emails, thus the long over due reply. James, could I save you a lot of time, in regard to trying to measure Radionic Instruments, using electrical/ electronic type parameters. The Radio part of Radionics, is an early misconception by Abrams, who at the time thought that as Radio was new, his discovery must some how be able to be explained in those terms. The energy we are dealing with is not electricity, magnetic or for that matter, electromagnetism. We are dealing with another type of energy, which demonstrably travels faster than the speed of electricity/ light. Not only can it travel
Re: What is Willard Water?
Please tell us more about the use by humans of the Preps, Gil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/25/02 2:22:05 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A gallon would go a long way since you add just a small amount to regular water to use. A number of on-line alternative herb/ag stores carry it. save your money and drink 501...sstorch
Re: chickens
Answer, eradicate animal protectionists and bring back the fur trade. Leigh Hauter wrote: Allan wrote- I'd love to find a cure for foxes! The answer -a Great Pyrenees
Re: irradiated meat
Hi! Leigh, Thank you for your post. I find it revolting. I am involved in the third force in Australian politics. I have approached my State and Federal contacts and asked that they move to prevent this ever happening here. I ask that others on the list in Oz and NZ, each also approach their political contacts and try and stop this before it starts. (That reflects my Irish ancestors). Gil Leigh Hauter wrote: This is from Public Citizen. I went into our local Giant this weekend and there it was in its little plastic box -irradiated ground meat, along with a brochure telling just how wholesome food is that has been 'cold pasteurized'. Yum-yum.
Re: What is Magic?/our farm is ....
Jack Wendell wrote: But my biggest concern is putting the wrong preps in at the wrong times for what is needed out there!?!?!? Hi! Jack, Congratulations on working on such a large scale, with what must be quite an investment. As for timing. Have you read both of Hugh Lovel's books? He lays it out in there and also if you go back through the archives of this site, he has covered here several times, also. Gil
Re: What is Magic?
Michelle Wendell wrote: My husband is going on what I call his walkabout on Nov 30, and coming to look at your country. Hi! Michelle, I am out side the sort of area you would be interested in looking at moving to, but I am happy to talk off line, if Jack wants some information. On this list, Cheryl Kemp [EMAIL PROTECTED] and James and Barbara Hedley [EMAIL PROTECTED] are involved in the National BD body and would be able to suggest areas to look at and local contacts. Also there are quite a number of practical BDers on this list. I would note that a lot of Australia is in drought, including the areas where some of the list members live, so many will not have their properties looking as they would like If Jack wants to phone me when here, my numbers are farm 61 8 86824779, town 61 8 86843698 and mobile 61 0427312401. Within the country, the 61 can be dropped and an 0 before the first 8 in the first two numbers. I am in Port Lincoln, mid way along the Southern Coast, in what may be called challenging country. Gil
Re: farm induced thoughts
Hi! SStorch, I always enjoy your posts, but particularly this one. When does the book come out? Gil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This evening as I sat in the field watching the Novenmber Sun sink below the horizen I felt Winter coming on. It is like the air feels when you have been warned of a hurricane. I gathered the corn to feed the bovines, Cosmos the bull, his mate Ruby; cow, and Ginger the hieffer.
Re: Uranium Plant near BD Farm
Do you have an email address for the Court, so those of us out of the US can add our weight? Gil Oz The Korrows wrote: Dear Friends, below is a note from our dear friend, and fellow organic farmer Jeff Poppen, also know on Nashville public TV as the BareFoot Farmer, he has a beautiful 300 acre farm that has been certified Biodynamic for 16 years. Please take out your maps and decide if you can take a drive to Trousdale County, TN. If not, take a minute and phone the court house. Telephone: (615) 374-2906Christy Korrow, Rural Center for Responsible Living
Re: farm induced thoughts
You sound to be in a familiar position. I have a nearly finished house on the farm and my land lord is trying to get me out. Also will hopefully have more time when in the new house. Gil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I feel one brewing. Thr construction of the house is ending, I feel mountains of time arising...sstorch
Re: farm induced thoughts
Roger Pye wrote: Good, I could do with a spare mountain:) roger Had a friend with a tee shirt with a suitable graphic and the wording, I 'm a mountain man and I like mountain women.
Re: Search for results of Elaine's testing of bd preps
I do not understand the concern about compost tea. A survey released this week in Oz has found that something like 40% of women and 65% of men do not wash their hands after using the toilet. I consider that any risk from foliar sprays of compost tea pales into insignificance.. Gil D S Chamberlain wrote: Hugh: I think that Frank has a valid point. Obviously poorly made compost tea can contain E.coli, the question is how do we stop it happening? Perceptions are everything, if it can be traced that someone got ill from compost tea then there are legions of highly paid people who will push the perception, right or wrong, that all compost tea is bad. No amount of huffing and puffing will change the perception once instigated, rumour and innuendo is the way that chemical companies fight and there's plenty of suckers out there willing to listen to them. Ideas anyone? David C - Original Message - From: Hugh Lovel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 13 November 2002 12:18 PM Subject: Re: Search for results of Elaine's testing of bd preps Dear Frank, You're right to a point, mate. The presence of E. coli means next to nothing. Everyone has it. Right? The real question is the presence of E. coli 0157:H7. Can everyone agree to that? It is a virulent pathogen, and it kills. But it is a very SPECIAL kind of E. coli. In fact it is commonly found in feedlots. Never elsewhere so far as I know, and I've been watching. Which should prohibit compost teas from feedlot manures, but why prohibit any others? If we could agree on where 0157:H7 occurs, then blanket testing for E. coli is meaningless. We must test for E. coli 0157:H7. Forget the rest. How relevant is it? E. coli is not the problem, 0157:H7 is. Please, give me good science, not scare propaganda a la Dennis Avery, the infamous scientific prostitute. And please don't endorse his arguments by wishy-washy agreement that we have to beware of coliforms in compost tea. We all have coliforms. I don't think there are any exceptions. Compost teas may have coliforms. Sure. Will Brinton is doubtless right. Big deal. Coliforms are ubiquitous. Scare tactics? Why succumb to them? Please, let's everyone get their brains on. As you can tell, my Scotch blood rises and my gorge swells in anticipation of a truly non-scientific debate (battle) in which significance pales into nothingness and mass is the persuading factor. I feel like I'm putting on my breastplate and bucklers and flexing my arms, shoulders, torso and legs, preparing to confront the unscientific bastards promoting this agenda. I think they know better, the SBs. Thank God I can laugh. Best, Hugh Lovel Dear Hugh, The fact that we all carry benign strains of E. coli in our guts, and are colonized therewith shortly after birth, does not mean that there are not virulent strains of E. coli from animal sources that we need to be concerned about. The E. coli 0157:H7 issue is covered in a number of places; one recent paper that is interesting is: http://www.fass.org/fass01/pdfs/Callaway.pdf The infectious dose is indicative of the virulence of pathogenic bacteria, and E. coli O157:H7 has an extremely low infectious dose. In one outbreak the contamination level of E. coli O157:H7 in uncooked hamburger meat was less than 700 cells/patty and some victims ingested very little of the (improperly) cooked meat (Griffin, 1998). The Walkerton water outbreak here in Canada underscored the manure problem associated with 0157:H7: http://www.med.uwo.ca/ecosystemhealth/education/casestudies/walkertonmed.ht m Now, Hugh, I am willing to accept that BD folks as a group are at low risk of having and spreading 0157 around. But, the NOSB has to deal with a larger universe of people than that, with composts coming from feedlot animals, and with an influx of newbies who may or may not know their excrement from their waxy shoe protectant, if you catch my reference... Compost tea is new. By that I mean compost tea as Elaine defines it, aerobically amplified and nutrient added. Whatever we should say about the Bess study, she showed that you can grow E. coli in a compost tea environment. For the most part E. coli is simply an indicator for the fate of other pathogens, chosen for its ease of monitoring, but in its 0157 form (and a few others) it is a potent pathogen in its own right, and at very low infective doses. The majority of 0157 outbreaks have been meat related, but several have also occured in salad materials, fruit juices, and sprouts. So, concern that 0157 might pass into compost tea through compost and into the food supply through application of tea and retention on produce surfaces is not absurd. It is reasonable, and a small amount of precautionary activity can ensure that we develop
Re: COMPOSTING PREVIOUS MESSAGES
Good point, Will Gil
Re: Search for results of Elaine's testing of bd preps
Jane Sherry wrote: Well, Frank, it's clear you're putting words into my mouth and making assumptions based upon your own arguments not mine. Mine is simple. I do not trust government to determine what is safe for me to eat. Snip I am with you. Gil
Re: What is Magic?
Hi! Roger, I remember some one once saying that if you consider yourself as a good communicator, try explaining to a South Sea Islander of the pre electronic communication days, what it would to be like to stand in a recess in a railway tunnel and have the Flying Scotsman come through at full speed Gil Roger Pye wrote: Merla Barberie said: I am going to learn how to dowse. I'm going to make me a ceramic piece for the end of the string. I'm going to dowse soil tests. What is magic? A skill we meet but haven't come across before, technology we haven't used or don't understand, concepts we may scoff at which actually do work.
Re: What is Magic?
Hi! Lloyd Yes please, I would be very interested to see them. Gil Lloyd Charles wrote: - Original Message - From: Roger Pye [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 5:29 PM Subject: What is Magic? technology we haven't used or don't understand, concepts we may scoff at which actually do work. Hi All I just recieved from my radionic wazard / eco farmer friend, some photos of germinated double embryo Barley grown in southern Victoria Australia ( yep two full healthy shoots from one seed) - he has told me about it several times and probably sensed the scepticism in my voice hence the pics. If anybodys interested I can maybe send them off list (850kb word doc) Cheers all Lloyd Charles
Re: Stick to beat organic farmers?
Additionally, in some cases, Radionic Practitioners also broadcast to a buffer of conventional properties around their client's for protection. This seems to have worked in these situations. Gil Cheryl Kemp wrote: Tony, My hearing of the end of Foot and Mouth disease at the BD farm in Gloucester was that they mananged to put off the entry of the MAF to burn the animals, by having many friends come around - over one hundred, plus the TV, and blocked the entrance. MAF couldnt get in, tried again, and by that stage the war was over, so they got away with the blockade. But since then, laws have been introduced that mean that if it happens again, the owners could be hauled off to gaol for blocking the entry of officials. So it means that it was the support of friends that got them through, plus their own courage to stand by their beliefs, but now the law has been invoked to prevent the rights of owners in future. No way they support BD. This whole issue was a very political way to downsize the UK flocks to allow entry of cheap Eastern European meat wasn't it? Cheryl Kemp Education and Workshop Coordinator Biodynamic AgriCulture Australia Phone /Fax : 02 6657 5322 Home: 02 6657 5306 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.biodynamics.net.au - Original Message - From: Tony Nelson-Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 3:20 AM Subject: Re: Stick to beat organic farmers? While in the UK, during the BSE and Foot and Mouth massacres, I was visiting Organic and Radionic Consultants and was told that there had been no case of either on an Organic Property. Both only occurred in chemical rich herds and flocks. Gil Famously, a BD farm in Gloucestershire was threatened with slaughter of their herd because Foot Mouth had infected a neighbouring farm. There was a big outcry, they appealed and were let off - so maybe the Ministry secretly approves of BD? Tony N-S. _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: Stick to beat organic farmers?
While in the UK, during the BSE and Foot and Mouth massacres, I was visiting Organic and Radionic Consultants and was told that there had been no case of either on an Organic Property. Both only occurred in chemical rich herds and flocks. Gil Tony Nelson-Smith wrote: The whole parasite cycle is aided and abbetted by conventional livestock practices which try to overcome poor management through the regular administration of anti-parasite toxins. The holistic approach is substantially different. Couple this with livestock that has been bred for parasite resistance and you have another level of defence. And, of course, confine all felines to batteries. -Allan Allan - I wasn't, of course, myself proposing that feedlot-reared animals are in any way superior - just pointing out that this parasite scare might provide another reason to bad-mouth organic farming. However, given that Toxoplasma infests such a relatively large number of humans (and, I suppose, cats) with an apparently high level of tolerance, I wonder whether resistance has, in fact, been bred into holistically reared stock? Tony N-S. _ Choose an Internet access plan right for you -- try MSN! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp
Re: OFF: Ostrich
Allan Balliett wrote: Hey, my OZ friends, do ostriches REALLY hide their heads in the sand? If they do, how successful of a ploy it is? Hi! Allan, It may be better to ask some one in Africa, where the birds live in the wild. We used to have at least one feral population here, near Port Augusta, South Australia. Hundred years or more ago, flocks grown for women's hat feathers were turned loose when fashions changed. When the yuppie meat market opened up ten years or so ago, they were rounded up and farmed again. Now many of the ostrich farms are failing, so we may have more flocks turned out into the bush. Those farming our native Emu are also having a rough time. I have visited Ostrich farms many times and even killed, dressed and eaten them. I have never seen any behaviour, such as portrayed in Disney comics and films. They are actually very interested in any action and take much interest. On a friend's, he has wind breaks made of rows of the large round hay bales around his fence lines. The ostriches gather and peer over and watch every thing you do. It is strange to see the dozens of heads and necks, bobbing along. Of interest to me was to find that once an ostrich can not see, it becomes passive. To catch them, a draw string bag is fitted on a ring on a long handle. It is placed over the head and the string pulled. You approach the bird from behind, as they kick forward and side ways, with the strength to break a leg. If you grab the wing base, you can walk them around and handle them quite easily for the size. Gil
Re: OFF: conspiracy
There is a problem with haveing your head in the sand. It tends to expose other vulnerable parts. D S Chamberlain wrote: Hey, my OZ friends, do ostriches REALLY hide their heads in the sand? If they do, how successful of a ploy it is? -Allan Allan: Sorry mate we have Emus not Ostriches, but a lot of Aussies stick their head in the sand, seems to work well for them. David C
