Re: Asking
»Meino Christian Cramer« sagte am 2002-04-21 um 13:29:56 +0200 : > Is it possible to download that papers and specifications with > Konqueror also ? Don't know, try it! If you'd have provided the URL, somebody could have checked... PS: Please no full quotes. Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.iso-top.de |Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 10 hours 4 minutes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Asking
»Meino Christian Cramer« sagte am 2002-04-21 um 06:07:48 +0200 : > From: Joerg Schilling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Asking > Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 14:31:36 +0200 (CEST) > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > What browser do you recommend (Linux machine) ? Mozilla Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.iso-top.de |Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 6 days 13 hours 52 minutes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: several cdwriters at once
So sprach »SIS Carlos Williams« am 2002-01-03 um 17:40:31 -0500 : > how can i copy on several cdwriters at once (line command), and the Open multiple xterms and start cdrecord on each. > requirements of the system -can i burn on ide devices or scsi?- SCSI: Sure IDE: I would not try more than two. You *might* have luck. -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.iso-top.de | Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 18 days 7 hours 17 minutes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mkisofs writing additional data to iso image (with patch)
So sprach »Eduardo Pérez« am 2001-12-10 um 19:25:10 + : > On 2001-12-09 22:22:06 +0100, Alexander Skwar wrote: > > Sorry, but what privacy leak? I can see that some extremely paranoid > > might see an issue if mkisofs actually writes the command line, but [...] > But what about the version sector where the whole command line is > written? Do I actually need to write anything? :) Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.iso-top.de | Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 3 days 8 hours 25 minutes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mkisofs writing additional data to iso image (with patch)
So sprach »Eduardo Pérez« am 2001-12-09 um 19:37:57 + : > Yes, It may be a feature for you to ease mkisofs development. > But is a privacy leak to the users of mkisofs. Sorry, but what privacy leak? I can see that some extremely paranoid might see an issue if mkisofs actually writes the command line, but other than that? It's not like you can't already override the strings mkisofs puts into the ISO without patching the source, is it? > If you don't what to patch this, could it be an option ? It's already, isn't it? man mkisofs -abstract, -A, .mkisofsrc Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.iso-top.de | Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 2 days 8 hours 41 minutes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cdrecord, FreeBSD
So sprach »Joerg Schilling« am 2001-12-05 um 18:10:03 +0100 : > Try to clean the lens Uh? You can actually tell that because of the error message? Wow, that's really amazing! (No flame intended!) Alexander Skwar -- >> Wohnung in Gelsenkirchen und Umgebung gesucht! << iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 23 hours 54 minutes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: priveledges
Zitat von Joerg Schilling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Don"t install cdrecord SIGD, and (more iportant) don"t tell people to > do so Why not? What's so bad about cdrecord being SGID? Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (de) http://quote.6x.to (en) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen -- - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: priveledges
Zitat von Joerg Schilling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Mmmm PAM is Pluggable Authentication Mudule and is a Sun invention > for Solaris from around 1990. Yes, I know. I simply didn't know that PAM does do that. Thanks anyhow. Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (de) http://quote.6x.to (en) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen -- - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: priveledges
So sprach »Denis Pelletier« am 2001-11-27 um 12:23:45 -0500 : > The "magic" is called pam. I doubt that it's exclusive to Mandrake. Oh, pam does that? Didn't know that, because I didn't care about it :) You're right, pam certainly isn't anything Mandrake-special. Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.iso-top.de | Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 4 days 21 hours 33 minutes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: priveledges
So sprach »Sam Halliday« am 2001-11-27 um 16:49:31 + : > which device must i allow them to use in order that this scheduler can be > utilised in cdrecord, and thus preventing buffer underruns under certain > circumstances? I have the same setup (Mandrake) as you, and those are my permissions: [askwar@teich RPM]$ ls -la /usr/bin/cdrecord /dev/scd0 brw-rw1 askwar cdwriter 11, 0 Aug 30 11:54 /dev/scd0 -rwsr-s---1 root cdwriter 183324 Aug 2 20:56 /usr/bin/cdrecord* Mandrake does some "magic" things with the /dev files, that's why /dev/scd0 is owned by me. Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.iso-top.de | Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 4 days 9 hours 33 minutes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Input/Outpu problem with cdrecord
So sprach »Joerg Schilling« am 2001-11-14 um 12:40:05 +0100 : > >From: "Alvaro Munoz Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Hello, I have problems burning with cdrecord 1.9 > > >I try to burn a data cd image created with mkisofs using cdrecord 1.9 = > >with my LG CD-RW CED 8083B. I obtain these erros among other = > >information given by cdrecord. > > Plase don't send reports for outdated versions. > Also try to send reports that include usable information. Alvaro, before you go and get the latest stable version, please note that Jörg considers this outdated as well. The latest alpha is 1.11a11 IIRC. Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.iso-top.de | Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 23 hours 23 minutes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cdrecord and solaris volume manager
So sprach »Len Sorensen« am 2001-10-29 um 10:54:36 -0500 : > When someone asks for a way to deal with a cdrom on solaris, well then > linux eject won't help. I certainly prefer the eject on linux (just Yes, that's of course right. And, as I said, I did not know that. > Are these required headers or recomended headers or what? No, they are not. > Oh and my mail client (mutt) got the thread sorted just fine without > the headers, so perhaps they don't matter much. Hmm, how did you configure mutt to thread the mail correctly? I'm also using mutt, and my mutt always shows Jörg's mails at the first level because his client isn't sending out the needed headers for a correct threading. I really wonder how you made mutt to come up with a magic to find out how deeply threaded a reply is supposed to be. I can't think of a way - which doesn't mean anything at all, of course. Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 1 day 4 hours 14 minutes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cdrecord and solaris volume manager
So sprach »Joerg Schilling« am 2001-10-27 um 11:28:56 +0200 : > Your mail looks like a joke because it is no more related to the > subject of the thread. You should better _read_ the mail before you start > answering... I have read the mail and answered to my best knowledge. > Again this is the way Linux users always try to turn any discussion into > something like "my religion is better than yours". If you like to participate This sounds silly, but you started that. > And again as it turns out that do did not read my last mail too: Oh, you mean I didn't read the mail I replied to? > if you look at the include files you will find that the eject copy from > Linux cannot even compile. As I said, I didn't know that. > We already had this discussion about a year ago. That's right, and I think it's sad that you're still so hard to get along with... > I am using the standard UNIX mail program and see no reason to change. Well, everyone like he pleases, but *I* don't understand what's so good and nice about mail. There are IMO way better clients out there. But that's your choice to make life harder on everyone else. Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 1 hour 58 minutes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cdrecord and solaris volume manager
So sprach »Joerg Schilling« am 2001-10-26 um 20:22:37 +0200 : > Looks like you are starting to show that your posting is a joke. Not more than your mail. > eject is a program invented by Sun, so if you are referring to eject > epecially when we are talking about Solaris, you are obiously talking > about the original "ejcet" and not about the copy running on Linux. Yes, right. I don't follow that logic. You're talking to me, and since you know (at least now) that I'm using Linux, we are obviously talking about a Linux eject, and not that Solaris tool. And as I've shown, the "eject version 2.0.10 by Jeff Tranter ([EMAIL PROTECTED])" has a -t. If your's doesn't, than, well, bad luck. > The way you are agumenting it the typical way Linux people are argumenting. And you aren't argumenting at all, but just attacking. That's why I reacted as I did. > My quoting style is as it recommended by RFC's. Your posts are hard to sort into context, because they are lacking References: or In-Reply-To: header lines. And no, I don't care if a RFC "dictates" to use these headers, but it's common practice with many, many mail clients to allow proper threading of messages. Ah! RFC 822 already has In-Reply-To: and References: header lines, although they are optional. Also a lot of other RFCs use these header lines. Also RFC 2822 lists In-Reply-To: and References:. RFC 2822 lists these headers as a SHOULD. RFC 724 also lists the headers. 733 does as well. 767 also. 806 also. Well, looks like your MUA lacks this. Please upgrade to something reasonable. Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 0 hours 14 minutes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cdrecord and solaris volume manager
So sprach »Len Sorensen« am 2001-10-26 um 12:04:28 -0400 : > eject on solaris has: Bummer. Okay, thank's a lot, I didn't know that. Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 10 hours 32 minutes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cdrecord and solaris volume manager
So sprach »Joerg Schilling« am 2001-10-26 um 18:36:43 +0200 : > Definitely NO, No? LOL! Oh, yes, right, I just made this up. But I agree, you are much than I am, since it must have taken you *WAY* more time to come up with this, than it took me to "forge" the lines I mailed. Install a decent eject, and you're set. Oh right, your using the best there is already *MEGA-LOL* Say, why are you always so hard to get along with? I hoped that you grew up a little since I left some months ago, but guess not PS: Your quoting style is BAD... Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 10 hours 24 minutes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cdrecord and solaris volume manager
So sprach »Len Sorensen« am 2001-10-26 um 10:24:20 -0400 : > the disk. There must be tools that just close the cdrom drive drawer. eject does: [askwar@teich askwar]$ eject --help 2>&1|grep tray eject [-vn] -t [] -- close tray -a --auto -c --changerslot -t --trayclose -x --cdspeed [askwar@teich askwar]$ eject -V eject version 2.0.10 by Jeff Tranter ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 8 hours 23 minutes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 2.4.10ac10, cdrecord 1.9-6, Mitsumi CR-4804TE: lock up burning too large image
So sprach »Stacy Mader« am 2001-10-23 um 15:24:20 +1000 : > Go one more directory deeper! > > ftp://ftp.fokus.gmd.de/pub/unix/cdrecord/alpha/ Yep, but that's alpha software, IOW: not stable for production use. Else it wouldn't be alpha, would it? Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 0 hours 13 minutes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 2.4.10ac10, cdrecord 1.9-6, Mitsumi CR-4804TE: lock up burning too large image
Zitat von Joerg Schilling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > 1.10 is outdated too, please read If you say so, then it's surely right, however, the latest cdrtools/cdrecord package I can find on ftp://ftp.fokus.gmd.de/pub/unix/cdrecord/ is 1.10 Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (de) http://quote.6x.to (en) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen -- - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cdrecord--ProDVD test versions
So sprach »Joerg Schilling« am 2001-10-19 um 12:41:11 +0200 : > A typical Linux user buys a SuSE distribution more than once a year. > A typical Solaris user loads the CD binaries over the internet. > You cannot load the SuSE CD's over the internet. Well, a typical Linux user uses Mandrake and loads Mandrake over the internet. So he doesn't have to buy anything at all. Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 4 hours 48 minutes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Error during optimum power calibration (opc)
Zitat von Joerg Schilling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Looks like a broken drive. Hmm, I thought so myself. Well, I got 3 drives, 2 TEAC CD-R 55S and 1 Traxdata 4120. Strange thing is, that all 3 of them sometimes show these errors. And they all started to show these errors at the same time. Go figure?! Thanks, Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (de) http://quote.6x.to (en) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Error during optimum power calibration (opc)
Hi! Since recently, I get error messages like the one below during the "Calibrating laser" phase. What does this error mean? I'm using cdreocrd 1.10 on Linux 2.4. Last chance to quit, starting real write in 0 seconds. Operation starts. Waiting for reader process to fill input buffer ... input buffer ready. Performing OPC... Judging disk...done. Calibrating laser.../usr/bin/cdrecord: Input/output error. opt_power_judge: scsi sendcmd: no error CDB: EC 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 status: 0x2 (CHECK CONDITION) Sense Bytes: 70 00 04 00 00 00 00 0A 00 00 00 07 9C 00 00 00 Sense Key: 0x4 Hardware Error, Segment 0 Sense Code: 0x9C Qual 0x00 (opc execution eror) Fru 0x0 Sense flags: Blk 0 (not valid) cmd finished after 3.610s timeout 60s done. Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (de) http://quote.6x.to (en) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cdrecord: Starting with no pause?
Hi! How can I start to write a CD at once, ie. without the 9 second pause at the beginning? Using cdrecord 1.10 Thanks, Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (de) http://quote.6x.to (en) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Good bye
Okay, I'll now unsubscribe from this list. I don't want to take Jörgs constant attacks anymore. Jörg, I'll not read your mails. Replies by other persons by private mail will be read, though. Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 17 hours 8 minutes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CDcontrol software released (
So sprach Joerg Schilling am Wed, Jun 20, 2001 at 07:49:09AM +0200: > so it is an internal part of the Linux kernel (even a hidden part) and nokody I'll try to get *DOWN* to your level (although I'm sure that I'll fail miserably - I cannot get down so low): What does 'nokody' mean? > needs > to konw about it unless he is going to change the Linux config menues. Again: In English, there's no such word as "menues" - what does this mean? My main point in this mail: Sag mal - KANNST DU LESEN? If you *DEMAND* other people to read the more and more becoming unimportant UNIX standards, *YOU* should at least do the same with links. *YOU* are an excellent example of a person with *DEFICIENT* social skills! Yes, you have high technical skills, I never doubted that - but as far as coming along with other people is concerned, your intellect is no higher than that of a pile of shit. (No, I don't want to insult piles of shit, quite often they have higher social skills than *YOU*!) Nobody has to give a flying fuck about what *YOU* say. I can understand that nobody want's to listen to *YOU*! Gosh, you're such a bonehead. > I see no relation to out discussion here Again: What does 'out discussion' mean? And the word 'relation' is used in a wrong context here. Maybe you should take some English lessons. Right, if *YOU* *WANT* to misunderstand everything, go ahead. Say, how is it living in a nutshell? It's gotta be nice, isn't it? But don't get scared if you ever "get the guts" to look what's going on in the biggest part of the world. Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 16 hours 57 minutes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CDcontrol software released (
So sprach Joerg Schilling am Wed, Jun 20, 2001 at 01:04:46AM +0200: > What should this be? Okay, thanks, this just shows that all your objections can be disregarded. dialog is the toll used in the Linux kernel config when you run make menuconfig (although lxdialog is a specialized version). dialog is used to easily create, well, dialog windows from within shell scripts. Further information is at http://www.advancedresearch.org/dialog/ > It is not part of UNIX. That's not what I asked. I asked if it's pre-installed, not if it's part of some standard., Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 13 hours 24 minutes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CDcontrol software released (
So sprach Mike A. Harris am Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 08:02:38AM -0400: > define it in PAGER so there should be no problem. All releases > of Red Hat Linux I have at my disposal seem to define PAGER > properly anyways. Okay, I just checked a default install of RedHat 7.1 where less is also avaiable, and there $PAGER isn't set. I really don't know about your RedHats, but it is unset at 6.2 and 7.1. Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 6 hours 48 minutes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CDcontrol software released (
So sprach Walter Hofmann am Tue, Jun 19, 2001 at 11:42:15PM +0200: > I know what I'm going to choose. Yep, so do I. But still Jörg's point is somewhat valid. If there's no mktemp on the system, a portable way has to be chosen. Even if the portable way is FAR less "capable". It all boils down to how portable the thing is supposed to be. BTW: Is (c)dialog preinstalled on (most) Unices? If not, then it needs to be installed to make the CDcontrol scripts run anyway. And while installing one package, some other packages might be installed right away as well. Like less, mktemp (? don't know - is there something like this for legacy systems?), bash Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 6 hours 30 minutes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CDcontrol software released (
So sprach Walter Hofmann am Tue, Jun 19, 2001 at 11:13:56PM +0200: > My mktemp binary actually uses mkstemp(3) instead of mktemp(3). mkstemp > is supposed to be a secure version of mktemp. Uhm, I don't know for sure, but I would suppose so as well. But simply according to the names I said the most "safe" answer without looking at the source - but you're most certainly right. > It does. Your method is insecure, that's the difference. But it's not standard. Uhuh... Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 6 hours 15 minutes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CDcontrol software released (
So sprach [EMAIL PROTECTED] am Tue, Jun 19, 2001 at 07:54:02PM +0200: > There was not UNIX in 1968. Ah, so you never did a typo? > You are using a own custom version of tail, I use the UNIX tail command. Fine, so what? Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 4 hours 2 minutes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Unidentified subject!
So sprach [EMAIL PROTECTED] am Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 06:29:47PM +0200: > Well the price of a Solaris installation is _exactly_ the same a > the price for a Linux installation! Ah, okay. This also includes the numerous Solaris boards and huge pile of software available for Solaris? Where can I find, let's say, KDE II or Evolution 1.0.3 for Solaris? Does it compile just as easily there as it does on Linux? Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 2 days 1 hour 2 minutes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Could we have two lists, please?
So sprach [EMAIL PROTECTED] am Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 05:22:11PM +0200: > I definitely _recommend_ you to read the mails from yesterday to see that > people already have aggreed in the fact that this thread only is fed by people > who misunderstand me or _force_ themselves to misiunderstand me. Well, ever wondered why you seem to be constantly misunderstood? Dunno, but this doesn't happen to me THAT often - maybe it's not always the fault of the people who misunderstand you, but maybe it's also your fault? Even if there may be a grain of truth in what you say, it's by far overshadowed by your anger and hate against Linux and GNU. So people overreact because of what you said. This doesn't mean that you're wrong - but it's "hard" to listen to someone who again and again says how f*cked up Linux, GNU and FSF are. You know, I learned that I accomplish more, if I'm polite and don't slap everyone constantly in the face. If that's the way things are handled at GMD, than I'm glad I do not work there. I couldn't stand it. Call me a wussy, if you like. And no, I did not force myself to misunderstand you. It's just that the way you try to bring points accross isn't right IMHO, because you generalize everything and only live in the Unix world. You know, there's a lot of progress outside of the Unix world. Sooner or later I suppose that you'll find that Unix as *YOU* like it has gone away completely. And see what *YOU* just did - *YOU* (possibly) just started another thread, because of your attacks against me (and others, possibly). Now don't come again and try to blame me for *YOU* attacking me. I know, this sounds childish, but at least I realize this - that's something which I haven't you seen to do. That's also another reason why people don't want to listen to you - it seems, like for *YOU*, there's only black and white - ie. *YOU* are right, all the others are dumb. That's of course your choice, and IRL you may be completely different, but if not, this would be wy to stressy for *ME*. Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 2 days 0 hours 6 minutes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CDcontrol software released (
So sprach Mike A. Harris am Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 09:48:03AM -0400: > That sounds sane to me. The only problem is guessing where it is > installed, or not specifying a path at all. Yep. That's really a problem, especially considering that 'which' cannot be used as it may be a csh script on some systems. Any idea how to portably use something like 'which'? > "default pager" if PAGER is not set, is application defined > behavior. Most likely a compile time option in many > applications, or changed via patching on Linux systems. Hmm, yes. > I like the fact that less is the default in most Linux systems, > but it is not universal in UNIXland and should definitely not be > relied upon. That's *EXACTLY* my opinion. I never said anything different. Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 1 day 22 hours 22 minutes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CDcontrol software released
So sprach Mike A. Harris am Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 08:49:58AM -0400: > Personally, the number in use of each type of operating system > out there doesn't matter much in terms of portability. Depends - on the hand, you're of course right - on the other hand, it means that not too much energy has got to be spent into portability, if only a small fraction might get the benefit of the portability issues. But yes: > Something is either portable or it isn't. When trying to be Right. > If one wants to use snazzy modern features, that is ok, but it should be > done in a way that falls back to portable methods. Exactly. Did I say anything different somewhere? Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 1 day 21 hours 55 minutes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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So sprach Gleydson Mazioli da Silva am Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 08:16:17AM -0400: > install system and points to /bin/ae. Please check yourself, I'm one of But there isn't a /bin/ae on UNIX *LOL* Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 1 day 21 hours 54 minutes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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So sprach [EMAIL PROTECTED] am Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 03:22:35PM +0200: > What do you call ancient? The way Solaris and HP-UX behaves. With the default standard compliant sh, the way X behaves when selecting texts in a XTerm, etc.pp.. > I know of no recent UNIX that has the directory. $ mkdir ancient $ find . -type d -name ancient -print > If people in the Linux universe don't care about portability (even > bewteen different Linux distributions) then good bye UNIX and hello M$. Now, where did I say that I don't care about portability between different Linux distributions? Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 1 day 21 hours 49 minutes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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So sprach Mike A. Harris am Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 08:30:58AM -0400: > I would consider defaulting to "less" to be very unportable > behavior despite the fact that Linux systems normally install > it, as most UNIX systems do not have "less" installed. Yes, that's true. I never said that 'more' should not be used - I merely said that the pager should default to less if PAGER is unset (as in RedHat 6.2, Mandrake 7.2 and 8.0) and then, if less cannot be run, fallback to more, which most certainly is available. My "problem" is, that on my system (Mandrake), PAGER is unset, and still less seems to be the default - however, could someone please tell me of another tool besides 'man' that silently calls the default pager? From what all of you have said here, I *VERY* much would like to check if less is really treated as the default inspite of PAGER being unset. Thanks, Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 1 day 21 hours 45 minutes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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So sprach Mike A. Harris am Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 08:02:38AM -0400: > define it in PAGER so there should be no problem. All releases > of Red Hat Linux I have at my disposal seem to define PAGER > properly anyways. Uhm, don't know about your RedHat Releases, I can only check two different RedHat 6.2 installations, and there PAGER is not set. And yes, less is available. Hmm, what tools page files other than man which seems to default to less even if PAGER is unset? And also Mandrake 7.2 and 8.0 do not have PAGER set, even with less being installed by default. Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 1 day 21 hours 40 minutes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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So sprach [EMAIL PROTECTED] am Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 01:22:17PM +0200: > But UNIX un general don"t have it. So you should not rely on it. He doesn't - he merely explained to me, how less is set in Debian, or something like that. To my understanding, he nowhere said that he relies on this. You know, somehow I'm beginning to think, that compatability with ancient Unix systems is not important anymore. Maybe it's because of the pains that has to be taken to make sure that something as simple as his script is portable, maybe it's because of your constant rambilings against Linux and GNU and pro-Standards. Dunno. Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 1 day 21 hours 36 minutes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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So sprach [EMAIL PROTECTED] am Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 11:54:22AM +0200: > >to less in /etc/alternatives/editor > ^^ > There is no such file! How do you know? In Debian and Mandrake, there's of course a /etc/alternatives directory, and there may very, very well be a file called editor in there. Just because there's no such directory in your old standards, doesn't mean, that there's something like this in current Linux distributions. Besides - the user doesn't have to care about the alternatives directory. It's nothing more than a directory containing some symlinks. In this case, /usr/bin/vi maybe a symlink to /etc/alternatives/editor, which in turn maybe a link to /usr/bin/vim. This is so, that the user can chose between vim and vile as his default editor (just an example, of course). If the user now wanted to to change to vile, he'd call a utility, which would change the /etc/alternatives/editor symlink to /usr/bin/vile. IMHO, this is a *VERY* nice concept. Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 1 day 18 hours 33 minutes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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So sprach [EMAIL PROTECTED] am Sun, Jun 17, 2001 at 04:46:21PM +0200: > There is no 'editor'. There is $EDITOR or 'edit' Hmm, there's of course $EDITOR in Mandrake, but it also doesn't have /usr/bin/edit. > I would simply default to 'more' but it would be OK to use 'less' in case it > is present and executable in your PATH. But this test must be done in a portable > way. What's the portable way to check if it's executable in the path when 'which' cannot be used? Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 23 hours 21 minutes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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So sprach [EMAIL PROTECTED] am Sun, Jun 17, 2001 at 04:17:52PM +0200: > >Mandrake doesn't have "editor". Well, it seems like it boils down to using > > Bad :-( Uh? Does Solaris have a editor executable? > I just checked SUSv2 and it seems that you may use less note that > 'less' may not be present on a specific UNIX distribution. > > I guess that there are ~ 20 Million Solaris installations without less. Well, you know it's *extremely* hard to guess the number of Linux installations out there. According to counter.li.org, this guy guesses that there are around 17 million Linux installations. Honestly, I don't know if this guess is off, and if so, how far it's off. > of course there are many millions of cash registers running SCO UNIX > which has no less to :-) So my guess is that there are more UNIX Uhm, exactly, that's what I meant with "highly specialized" systems *G* > systems without less worlwide than ones that include less. Okay. This maybe the case - but, if PAGER is not set, what should be used? Let's say less *IS* available - why not use it? If it's available, is it not reasonable to say that this is either the standard on this system, and/or that the user manually installed it later on because he likes it better than more? I aggree that more should be used as a fallback. But I also say that less should be used if it's available as it's simply better than more. >command. If the PAGER variable is null or not set, the command will be either >more > or another paginator utility documented in the system documentation. Yes, you said that you think that this allows the use of less. Any idea about what they mean with 'documented in the system documentation'? Is this excerpt from man man good enough of a system documenation? | -P pager | Specify which pager to use. This option overrides the MANPAGER | environment variable, which in turn overrides the PAGER variable. By | default, man uses /usr/bin/less-is. Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 22 hours 42 minutes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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So sprach [EMAIL PROTECTED] am Sun, Jun 17, 2001 at 04:05:25PM +0200: > >Urgs, if a user does not have PAGER set (which I suspect the most (Linux ?) > >users don't have set), he expects the standard pager to be invoked. > > Right! and the standard pager is 'more'. Standard - where? Linux Mandrake, RedHat Linux and SuSE Linux have less as the standard. Debian GNU/Linux has not, as I just learned. But nonetheless Mandrake, RedHat and SuSE are for sure the most installed and used Linux versions out there. Especially by "normal" users (ie. not by wizzards, and not on highly specialized systems). This script is supposed to be used by normal users, I suppose. So less is standard. BTW: Do real UNIX systems come with dialog pre-installed? Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 22 hours 35 minutes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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So sprach [EMAIL PROTECTED] am Sun, Jun 17, 2001 at 03:51:15PM +0200: > Which cannot be used as 'which' is a csh script. > It will fail if the user has no .cshrc which sets a CSH more alias. ? [askwar@teich askwar]$ file $(which which) /usr/bin/which: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped Ie. it's a binary - at least here. > In addition: you are right, There are millions of UNIX systems without > 'less' installed. How many linux installation are out there? And how many UNIX installations? I *SUSPECT* linux > Unix, so your comment isn't right. Do you have numbers to prove me wrong? Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 22 hours 32 minutes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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So sprach Gleydson Mazioli da Silva am Sun, Jun 17, 2001 at 10:47:29AM -0400: > This is not the case of the Debian distribution, less isn't part of base > system, > a user will need to install it by hand. Aha, didn't know that. So, when you're reading a man page on Debian, you cannot scroll back? > Maybe a simple check if the $PAGER variable exists and trying "which > less" and > "which more" (as last resource) could be the enought... Yes. Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 22 hours 31 minutes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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So sprach Gleydson Mazioli da Silva am Sun, Jun 17, 2001 at 10:58:14AM -0400: > The editor command is also an alternative on Linux systems, but I'm not > sure > about it compatibility with other operating systems. Mandrake doesn't have "editor". Well, it seems like it boils down to using (in this order *IMHO*): - $PAGER - less - more Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 22 hours 28 minutes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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So sprach [EMAIL PROTECTED] am Sun, Jun 17, 2001 at 03:45:08PM +0200: > Well you are misinterpreting standards. The standard pager is more and if > a user did not set $PAGER he does not care about the pager he uses. > This is how UNIX always worked. Urgs, if a user does not have PAGER set (which I suspect the most (Linux ?) users don't have set), he expects the standard pager to be invoked. On Linux, the standard pager is less, and *NOT* more. > DONT DO THIS! Why? Because the user might get what he's used to? Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 22 hours 16 minutes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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So sprach [EMAIL PROTECTED] am Sun, Jun 17, 2001 at 03:31:58PM +0200:
> Of course you need some basic knowledge on shell programming:
>
> Use:
NOT!
> pager=${PAGER-more}
pager=${PAGER-less} if you don't want to surprise a lot of Linux users who
are used to the comfort of less.
And you should add this for users who are so unfortunate to still have to
use more:
which $pager 2>/dev/null || pager=more
which $pager 2>/dev/null || unset pager
if [ "x$pager" == "x" ]; then
echo no pager can be found
exit 1
fi
Alexander Skwar
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So sprach Gleydson Mazioli da Silva am Sun, Jun 17, 2001 at 09:26:33AM -0400: > Do you mean "/tmp/file.$$$"? No, /tmp/file.$$ - just 2 $. > Yes, $PAGER sounds better yet than less. Personally I use less as $PAGER > but I know people that uses emacs, mc, joe... But PAGER isn't always set. If PAGER isn't set (as it's probably most often the case on Linux systems), I'd use less since this is the standard in Linux. Now, if even less isn't available, I'd fall back to the least common demoniator being "more". This is the way it seems to work on linux at what users expect. Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 21 hours 45 minutes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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So sprach [EMAIL PROTECTED] am Sun, Jun 17, 2001 at 02:59:04PM +0200: > Of course tail. tail -b 4 shows the last 4 blocks. Yes, I thought that you meant tail. I'm not trying to be an dumbass, but what does 'blocks' mean in this context? > They wanted to have Copyright FSF instead of Copyright Jörg Schilling. > This is illegal outside USA. Hmm, is there really no way for Non-US citizens to transfer the Copyright to the FSF? I've got problems believing that there really is no way to circumvent is small hurdle. > Do you have an englich word that mets the meaning of "Urheberecht" ? No idea. I don't think there's something like this in the english language. > I never requested you to write a patch for GNU tar! I requested the GNU tar > mainainer to fix GNU tar and failed. Okay, so I misunderstood you. Sorry. Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 21 hours 31 minutes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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So sprach [EMAIL PROTECTED] am Sun, Jun 17, 2001 at 02:26:12PM +0200: > Why does GNU tail does not support the -b option? > -b is in the standard and the fact that GNU tar is tail or tar? What should -b do? > There already was a discussion whether GNUtar should be relpaced by star > because star is written much cleaner. The demand from FSF failed because > FSF had illegal demands in the Copyright of star. Don't know - is star not released under GPL? > I wrote everal time in the GNU tar discussion, that I _did_ write bug reports > to the GNU tar maintainer in 1994 & 1995 and nothing happened! Yes, I read this and was aware of this - but still, why should I write a patch to GNU tar if I'm happy with GNU tar? > >Okay, but he used /bin/bash, didn't he? With this approach, it is very much > >portable, as /bin/bash is not the default shell. So both mine and your > >remarks are exaggerated. > > But there is no guarantee that there is a /bin/bash. /bin/sh os present on al > UNIX flavors and I cannot believe that the scripts cannot be made working for > /bin/sh. ... of course you need to know what sh officially supports as Linux > unfortunately links /bin/sh to /bin/bash. *URGS* Why "unfortunately"? Just because it uses a *MUCH* nicer shell than sh doesn't mean it's "unfortunate". And IIRC, sh cannot be included because of Copyright reasons. Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 21 hours 0 minutes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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So sprach [EMAIL PROTECTED] am Sun, Jun 17, 2001 at 01:48:54PM +0200: > You really seem to have problems to get it: It seems that I don't get what you want, that's right. > > 1)I warn poeple when FSF programs do make life harder. Why make tools with a greater ease of use life harder? > > - Look at the GNU tar source and judge your own. The > GNU tar source is a big pile of spaghetti code. It is > hard to find bugs by people who are not used to work on it. That's right. > > - Next time you will send me a bug report for cdrecord, > I will tell you that it is _your_ task to find a patch > for the bug. So please stay resonable! I don't get it - if I have a problem with cdrecord, it's of course my task to either write a patch for it and tell you about it, or to at least inform you, the author, about it. But why should I tell the guy next door that I have a problem with cdrecord, so that he writes a patch to cdrecord? That's what you are suggesting wrt. tar - you've said that I should patch tar. I'm not the author of tar. So what I said was reasonable - maybe my choice of words was not. > >Why? Just because the shell scripts are incompatible with bash? So upgrade > >your shell scripts! > > Stay reasonable: if you like to force people to change to a nonstandard shell, > you should first "upgrade" several hundreds of kilobytes of shell code from > Solaris and tell the administrators that you are going to give them 7/24 support > for your changes and for bash. Okay, but he used /bin/bash, didn't he? With this approach, it is very much portable, as /bin/bash is not the default shell. So both mine and your remarks are exaggerated. > But there is no portable way to do it. The question is: do you really need > su a nonstandard feature? Good question. To enhance the ease of use: Yes, you do need such a feature. But he may write something like I suggeseted, together with: # If your system does not provide a /proc/kcore file or the 'free' tool, # please enter the amount of system memory manually. Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 20 hours 14 minutes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CDcontrol software released (
So sprach [EMAIL PROTECTED] am Sun, Jun 17, 2001 at 01:26:11PM +0200: > >The mktemp binary is nothing more than a wrapper to the C function mktemp, > >which conforms to BSD 4.3, at least according to mktemp(3). > > But mktemp does not do anything different from the method I proposed. From man mktemp: | mktemp is provided to allow shell scripts to safely use temporary files. | Traditionally, many shell scripts take the name of the program with the PID | as a suffix and use that as a temporary file name. This kind of naming | scheme is predictable and the race condition it creates is easy for an | attacker to win. A safer, though still inferior approach is to make a | temporary directory using the same naming scheme. While this does allow one | to guarantee that a temporary file will not be subverted, it still allows a | simple denial of service attack. For these reasons it is suggested that | mktemp be used instead. > mktemp has been designed for a OS with a 14 byte filename limit, > current OS have 255, so thee is no need to use a program that > has only one improvement compared to the shell method: a shorter > filename. You are talking about the $$ way of creating temp files, aren't you? Or, in how far is /tmp/A_Quite_Long_Filename_Made_With_mktemp_b0RaZe shorter than what you can do with the shell (the 'b0RaZe' was made by mktemp)? Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 19 hours 57 minutes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CDcontrol software released (
So sprach [EMAIL PROTECTED] am Sun, Jun 17, 2001 at 01:00:14PM +0200: > However, if "your favorite" TAR program is not able to extract TAR archives > don't piss on me! Simply send a bug report to the maintainer of "your > favorite" TAR program. Yes, I piss on you (your words, not mine!), because you constantly attack GNU tools with *NO* reason *WHAT* *SO* *EVER*! I have shown that GNU tar is *PERFECTLY* able to extract files, even if GNU tar has to deal with tar archives which it does not *LIST* correctly. I do not care about this, neither does anyone else besides *YOU*, so it's *YOUR* task to patch GNU tar! > >"Please upgrade your shell to something usable like bash. Cannot go on." > > Using the word "upgrade" is very very quetionable in this context. Why? Because I imply with the word that a better shell than sh should be used? Well, this was my intention. If people want to work with old, overly complicated tools which do not support features found in bash, than it's their problem. > If you overwrite /bin/sh with bash or if you modify the root account > to use any other shell than sh (note that this is even /sbin/sh on modern > available) you may completely corrupt your installation forcing a re-install > >from CD. Why? Just because the shell scripts are incompatible with bash? So upgrade your shell scripts! > > STOP! /proc holds information on processes and _not_ information on the > system. > * *WRONG* (at least for Linux). If other systems don't have such a nice thing as the /proc filesystem, it's their problem. > - This does not work on Linux because it uses nonstandard places > for log files. So it's not portable at all. Too bad for the minority of people using "standard" Unices. > - If a machine is 'up' for a long time the needed information has been > scrolled out. So in the "superior" OSes, there's then no way to get this information? Too bad... Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 19 hours 39 minutes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CDcontrol software released (
So sprach [EMAIL PROTECTED] am Sun, Jun 17, 2001 at 12:27:24PM +0200: > What a shame for Linux: You don't need it! What a shame for you: You don't get it! The mktemp binary is nothing more than a wrapper to the C function mktemp, which conforms to BSD 4.3, at least according to mktemp(3). > The main UNIX design goal is not to add useless gicks Define useless... I find it quite useful to have a at least somewhat hard to predict filename, instead of just /tmp/xxx.1, /tmp/xxx.2, /tmp/xxx.3... > Well UNIX _allows_ you to be creative: use /tmp/xx.$$.someting This inferior way is also present in bash. > And it is nice to see how development done on Linux yields in nonportable > results without reason. And it's nice to see that no progress should be made just because some sh's are still in the stoneage. Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 19 hours 30 minutes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CDcontrol software released (
So sprach Gleydson Mazioli da Silva am Sat, Jun 16, 2001 at 10:40:20PM -0400:
> Humm, it do the same job for Linux systems, I need to know if it exist
What Linux distribution ships with "tempfile"? I just had a look
rpmfind.net, and none of the RPM based distributions has got a package
called called tempfile or a package containing an executable called
tempfile.
Uhm, BTW: Why are you checking for tempfile at all? A grep for "tempfile"
revealed, that you always do:
L_TMPFILE=`tempfile 2>/dev/null` || L_TMPFILE=/tmp/temp$$
So, if tempfile cannot be run or yields an error, you set the tempfile name
in the portable way Jörg mentioned.
Also I wonder why you are using "mc" to view a file. I'd suggest to use
less. And for users of real unices who are stuck with more, more should be
used.
Jörg: Does the plain, old sh support functions in shell scripts? If not,
than the memoria-cd script might print a message like:
"Please upgrade your shell to something usable like bash. Cannot go on."
Gleydson: At the beginning of the 'memoria-cd' script, you calculate:
if [ $(echo \(${SYS_MEM}-\(${CACHE}*${WRITTERS}\)\)-4|bc) -lt 0 ];then
The error message that you print doesn't really help. IMHO it would be
better, if you'd also say that the error is because there isn't enough
SYS_MEM set apart. And the * in the line should be escaped, I think.
Jörg: Does the ps on "real" Unices support this: ps ax --sort=ppid ?
Gleydson: The amount of system memory can be calculated by:
ls -lh /proc/kcore | awk '{ print $5 }' | sed 's|M||'
Yes, this is not portable. Is this more portable?
free | grep 'Mem:' | awk '{ print $2 }' | sed 's|M||'
Okay, other than that, the program looks good. Not that I might use it,
because I'm not burning multiple images at the same time, but for people who
do so, it might be quite handy.
Alexander Skwar
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Re: CDcontrol software released (
So sprach Joerg Schilling am Sun, Jun 17, 2001 at 11:13:48AM +0200: > There is neither of both on UNIX so you should'nt use them. So, the "superior" OS'es like Solaris, HP-UX etc.pp. don't have neither of mktemp and tempfile? What a shame... > UNIX shell scripts are creating tmp files by using a file name > line /tmp/xxx.$$ Which works, yes, but you will not get more than 1 tempfile this way, will you? > #!/bin/bash > > in the first line. There is no /bin/bash on UNIX, you should > use /bin/sh. I am sure that ther is no need to use bash nonstandard > shell extensions in your shell sript. Indeed, this should be changed to /bin/sh Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 18 hours 2 minutes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CDcontrol software released (
So sprach Gleydson Mazioli da Silva am Sat, Jun 16, 2001 at 08:03:52PM -0400: > It's a linux utility that returns a randomic name that the program uses > to create dynamic files while parsing the output from cdrecord software. > You can create any shell script named tempfile that return any name as > replacement. Hmm, isn't "mktemp" the standard tool do this? > I will sent the tempfile of Linux for you, it also worked file in *BSD > system. Got it, and will test. Thanks. Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 8 hours 12 minutes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CDcontrol software released (
So sprach Gleydson Mazioli da Silva am Sat, Jun 16, 2001 at 05:06:11PM -0400: > I've released today the cdcontrol software, it's base is Okay, I wanted to try it. It depends on "tempfile" - what's that, what's it used for, do I need it, and where can I get it? IOW: 'memoria-cd' failed, telling me, that tempfile isn't installed. That's right, it's not installed, and none of the packages from my distribution (Mandrake Cooker) has such a file. Thanks, Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 6 hours 38 minutes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Could we have two lists, please?
So sprach [EMAIL PROTECTED] am Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 12:34:52PM +0200: > to use star instead of GNU tar. Star produces (in default mode) archives that > are readable with all tar implementations except GNUtar. In addition, star Darn, I didn't want to say anything to this anymore - but: If star produces archives that are not readable by the biggest number of tar installation (ie. GNU tar), than star is broken, although it may be POSIX compliant. Like it, or not, but GNU tar is the de-facto standard, even if it's not POSIX compliant. If it's such a huge problem to *YOU* that GNUtar is not POSIX compliant, then the only choice is, that *YOU* make it compliant. Obiously nobody else seems to care that much about it, else it would have been fixed already. > star is the program with the highest portability _and_ star ports at least > to the same number of platforms as GNU tar does. Yes, but star doesn't come with *ANY* Linux distribution - at least with none of the major distributions (Mandrake, RedHat, Debian, SuSE). So it simply doesn't matter if star is better or not. > days and it seems that all member in this mailing list are more interested > in repeating false arguments pro GNUtar and against star than in cdrecord. Because the arguments are not as false as you want to make everybody believe. There maybe some small glitches in GNUtar - but you have to deal with it, since it's the most often used tar implementation. I didn't want to say anything anymore, but if you are writing so extremely provoking sentences like you just did, it's no wonder that a meta-discussion about tar implementations lives so long. Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 0 hours 46 minutes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bill Davoidsen still has illegal mailer settings
So sprach Joerg Schilling am Thu, Jun 14, 2001 at 12:49:36AM +0200: > I am using the standard UNIX mail program and I see no reason why I should > change this. Because it would make things easier for other people? Hmm, really bad reason. Dunno, I just wonder that anyone really uses mailx to read mails. Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 1 day 2 hours 12 minutes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cdrtools-1.11a02 ready
So sprach [EMAIL PROTECTED] am Wed, Jun 13, 2001 at 06:32:44PM +0200: > No GNU tar needs to be fixed. The warnings resulted from the non > POSIX compliance of GNU tar! No, Sun tar needs to be fixed to conform to the De-Facto standard of GNU tar, even if it's non-compliant. Please excuse me ignorance, but what are the benefits if a tar implementation is completely POSIX compliant? Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 20 hours 9 minutes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cdrtools-1.11a02 ready
So sprach [EMAIL PROTECTED] am Wed, Jun 13, 2001 at 06:28:43PM +0200: > PSIZ-1003.1 this is what counts. Why? Even if it can cause problems for the most part of users? Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 19 hours 44 minutes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cdrtools-1.11a02 ready
So sprach [EMAIL PROTECTED] am Wed, Jun 13, 2001 at 04:26:26PM +0200: > I will not go to a nonstandard archive format. Uhm - please define 'standard'! Is it, what most people use and which creates the least fuzz, or is it something else? Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 19 hours 37 minutes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cdrtools-1.11a02 ready
So sprach Bill Davidsen am Wed, Jun 13, 2001 at 11:02:15AM -0400: > It is certainly "not untrue" in the sense that some are. GNU tar will > produce warnings when using certain tar files created by Sun tar. So the Sun tar needs to be fixed! Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 19 hours 34 minutes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cdrtools-1.11a02 ready
So sprach [EMAIL PROTECTED] am Wed, Jun 13, 2001 at 03:44:25PM +0200: > GNU tar is _the_ program with portability problems! This is the fact. > > The bad result of this fact is that Sun is using more and more *.zip archives That's a fault of Sun, and not of GNU tar - see below. > beacause people are using GNU tar, are unwilling to accept that there > is a GNu tar compatibility problem and complain about exptraction > problems Okay, I may now sound Microsoft'ish - but what kind of Unix is used most, nowadays? Isn't it Linux? And thus - what kind of tar is installed most? If Linux is used/installed most, than it's GNU. According to this, GNU is the *standard* even if it's not POSIX compliant. IOW: If it's working on GNU tar, that's all I'm concerned about as you can also easily (? well, dunno, but I suppose so) install GNU tar on any other kind of operating system, as long as you can compile programs. If there's no compiler available, GNU C is also available for a *HUGE* number of platforms. > Sou you should decide to avoid GNU tar... No, you have to create archives that work with GNU tar... Granted, you do this. Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 19 hours 28 minutes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cdrtools-1.11a02 ready
So sprach [EMAIL PROTECTED] am Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 03:19:32PM +0200: > I added a file README.gtarfail and gtarfail.tar to > > ftp://ftp.fpkus.gmd.de/pub/unix/star/testscripts Okay, while you are right that GNU tar somehow does not list it correctly, it has no problems extracting it: [askwar@teich testz]$ tar tfv gtarfail.tar -rw-r--r-- jes/glone 518 2001-05-25 16:41:06 vedpowered.gif tar: Springe zum nächsten Kopfteil. -rw-r--r-- jes/glone 33354 1999-06-22 14:17:38 DSCN0049c.JPG tar: Springe zum nächsten Kopfteil. -rw-r--r-- jes/glone 1310 2001-05-25 15:05:41 vipower.gif tar: Springe zum nächsten Kopfteil. tar: Fehler beim Beenden, verursacht durch vorhergehende Fehler. [askwar@teich testz]$ tar xfv gtarfail.tar vedpowered.gif cd.gif DSCN0049c.JPG Window1.jpg vipower.gif billyboy.jpg [askwar@teich testz]$ ll insgesamt 568 -rw-r--r--1 askwar askwar 33354 Jun 22 1999 DSCN0049c.JPG -rw-r--r--1 askwar askwar 86159 Jun 5 20:16 Window1.jpg -rw-rw-r--1 askwar askwar 148753 Sep 15 1998 billyboy.jpg -rw-r--r--1 askwar askwar 6825 Apr 29 1997 cd.gif -rw-rw-r--1 askwar askwar 283136 Jun 7 17:38 gtarfail.tar -rw-r--r--1 askwar askwar518 Mai 25 16:41 vedpowered.gif -rw-r--r--1 askwar askwar 1310 Mai 25 15:05 vipower.gif [askwar@teich testz]$ tar --version tar (GNU tar) 1.13.19 Copyright 2001 Free Software Foundation, Inc. Dieses Programm wird ohne Gewährleistung geliefert, soweit dies gesetzlich zulässig ist. Sie können es unter den Bedingungen der GNU General Public License weitergeben. Details dazu enthält die Datei COPYING. Geschrieben von John Gilmore und Jay Fenlason. The images display just fine. Tested with GQview, qiv, ee, eog and ImageMagick. Because of that, I'd be REALLY interested in the md5's of the original files to see if the files where somehow damaged by the extraction. Those are the ones I got: [askwar@teich testz]$ md5sum * 43dd24762125dca9ae33addd0beea9be billyboy.jpg 4bfd8c2ea953235e4552870f55f38911 cd.gif 17af34db6f3248468dbe287f309812c8 DSCN0049c.JPG 4a304142604e3c1951e954424d587283 gtarfail.tar 798851f98a824a820c60a227b4a554b5 vedpowered.gif 374ef8b65acc58cc0aec6a15a141a015 vipower.gif 2677817bc2b6c1a66036cdb0ef7c4069 Window1.jpg Okay, I've now installed your star 1.3a8. Those are the md5sums of the files extracted with star: [askwar@teich star]$ md5sum * 43dd24762125dca9ae33addd0beea9be billyboy.jpg 4bfd8c2ea953235e4552870f55f38911 cd.gif 17af34db6f3248468dbe287f309812c8 DSCN0049c.JPG 4a304142604e3c1951e954424d587283 gtarfail.tar 798851f98a824a820c60a227b4a554b5 vedpowered.gif 374ef8b65acc58cc0aec6a15a141a015 vipower.gif 2677817bc2b6c1a66036cdb0ef7c4069 Window1.jpg As you can see, the files are identical, although tar was not able to list them. Further, I tried your mk and mk2 scripts with tar and star. You are right, star is able to process file names which are not POSIX conformant while tar fails on those files. Conclusion (for me): Nothing bad at all. While GNU tar has problems with very long file names and also fails to list a POSIX correct tar archive, it's nothing I'd worry about. As long as files are extracted correctly, I'm fine. Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 2 days 18 hours 11 minutes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cdrtools-1.11a02 ready
On 05.06.2001 10:16:32 Joerg Schilling wrote: > The last test I did is about half a year ago and this GNU tar was definitely > _not_ POSIX compliant. Okay, but what kind of problems might there be? Or, could you create a completely POSIX compliant tar archiv which is not extractable with GNU tar? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cdrtools-1.11a02 ready
On 05.06.2001 02:48:21 Carsten Neumann wrote: > I also never had any trouble using GNU tar to extract the archives. > But maybe there are _outdated_versions_ ( ;-)) ) of GNU tar which had trouble > with them. Yeah, that's what I'm beginning to think as well. Some ancient versions may have problems. Anyone using extremely old versions of GNU tar still? Does gnu.org still carry extremely old versions? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cdrtools-1.11a02 ready
So sprach Joerg Schilling am Tue, Jun 05, 2001 at 01:37:45AM +0200: > Just try the test suite on > > ftp://ftp.fokus.gmd.de/pub/unix/star/ Uhm, pardon me, but where is the test suite? Is it testscripts/long.ustar.gz and the scripts mk and mk2? GNU tar doesn't produce any errors when extracting the files from long.ustar.gz Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 9 hours 15 minutes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cdrtools-1.11a02 ready
So sprach Joerg Schilling am Mon, Jun 04, 2001 at 07:22:05PM +0200: > The files are located on: > > ftp://ftp.fokus.gmd.de/pub/unix/cdrecord/alpha ... > > NOTE: These tar archives are 100% ansi compatible. Solaris 2.x tar and GNU > tar may get some minor trouble. What does make you think that GNU tar has problems with cdrtools.tar.gz files from your FTP? GNU tar 1.13.19 extracts the files without any problems at all. What kind of 'minor trouble' might there be? Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 1 hour 57 minutes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ide-scsi problem!
So sprach [EMAIL PROTECTED] am Tue, May 22, 2001 at 08:32:38PM +0200: > If ide-scsi was the default, then no PC-card drive would work at > all until the bug has been fixed. Okay, "fine". But this really is a drastic step which surely won't be applied until later. Dunno, but wouldn't it be more successfull to talk to the maintainer of the pc-card code and work with him to fix the bug? Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 8 days 7 hours 27 minutes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ide-scsi problem!
So sprach Torrey Hoffman am Tue, May 22, 2001 at 11:28:10AM -0700: > Instead, talk to the distribution maintainers. They have the That's what I'm also beginning to think (and already have said). From your experience, we now know that Mandrake doesn't have to be 'converted' to easily allow burning of CDs. What about other popular *CURRENT* distributions, like SuSE 7.1, RedHat 7.1, Progeny, etc.pp.? Do they also do something like Mandrake does? (Please note that I did not mention Debian - anyone using Debian is surely not a novice Linux user (I suppose)) If not, than it is, by all means, the fault of the *DISTRIBUTION*, and not of the kernel maintainers! Given the 'glorious' example of Mandrake, we see now that it *IS* possible even with the current choice of default settings in the kernel to easily burn CDs. > Anyone who has the "guts" to download and compile their own > kernel can also be expected to read the documentation on how to > get or keep their CD writer working. Correct. > Perhaps the only thing that the kernel developers *need* to do > is add some documentation that helps people config their kernels > correctly if they compile their own. Send a patch that adds the > appropriate text to the kernel config.help, and perhaps an > IDE-CDWriter.txt file in the /Documentation subdirectory. That would be nice, indeed! If this 'IDE-CDWriter.txt' would mention everything needed, all might be good and well. And I also suppose that Alan would not have a problem including a 'lousy' text file even for 2.4 or 2.2, would he? I can't think of a reason why it should be of any problem whatsoever... Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 8 days 7 hours 20 minutes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ide-scsi problem!
So sprach [EMAIL PROTECTED] am Tue, May 22, 2001 at 07:48:39PM +0200: > Many people have a problem when they start to use Linux. > This is because they need to finf out that there is a need to edit obscure > places like the boot configuration in order to make their CD writer work > while it works out of the box on Win32 and Solaris. Uhm, if it is that obscure (which I also think it is), isn't that much much rather the fault of the maker of the distribution? Shouldn't the distribution provide a nice 'n easy way to change this obscure boot config to allow people to easily burn cd's? > Be realistic! As the problem is important, we need a solution now - not > in three years. exactly Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 8 days 7 hours 17 minutes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ide-scsi problem!
So sprach Bill Davidsen am Tue, May 22, 2001 at 01:38:36PM -0400: > CDDA capability, somehow I really doubt that I would miss SCSI. But I > don't claim that most people have old CDs, only that they don't burn > them, and that the vast majority of people using Linux don't have a > problem now. If I understand Jörg correctly, you need ide-scsi to successfully grab CD audio. If that's correct, I think more people might need ide-scsi than you think. If all that's true, not only people wanting to burn CDs are affected by the lack of ide-scsi as a standard, but also people wanting to grab music (and maybe convert it to mp3 etc.pp.). I think the 2nd group is larger than the cd-burning-fraction, and I do think that both groups will increase in numbers over the next time, seeing that cd writers become a common good and that HD's are becoming increasingly huge. > Since you admit (claim loudly) that ide-scsi doesn't work right, how > can you hope to have fewer problems making it the standard? Happily, I Uhm, doesn't Jörg claim that both, ide-cd and ide-scsi, are broken, but that ide-scsi is less broken and allows more flexibilty? Besides, why is it a 'major change' if ide-scsi became standard? I mean, this wouldn't mean that anything at all would have to be changed in code, would it? All he's asking for is to change the default to something more "current-compliant" (so to speak). OTOH I still think that this should also be done on a distribution kind of level. Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 8 days 7 hours 11 minutes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ide-scsi problem!
So sprach Denis Pelletier am Tue, May 22, 2001 at 01:22:37PM -0400: > If it is so then I don't see the need for a new IDE and SCSI > implementation. Am I missing something? If you are, than I'm also missing something. That's how I understood Jörg as well... Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 8 days 6 hours 22 minutes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ide-scsi problem!
So sprach [EMAIL PROTECTED] am Tue, May 22, 2001 at 06:38:11PM +0200: > a) This is a very important isue as many people have problems and the kernel >developers don't listen to them! > > b) it is the opposite way round: the current default requires user education > while my suggestion would just do what 99.999% of all users expect. Actually, I think it's not the kernel maintainer's job to care for these. Much rather I think you should try to convince the people at Mandrake, RedHat, SuSE, Debian, Progeny, LibraNet etc.pp., that is, convince the distributions. Most (all?) of them ship with heavily modified versions of the kernel, and 'normal' users use whatever ships with a distribution. 'Mr. John Doe' does not compile his kernel himself anymore, I suppose. If it's not possible to record a CD out-of-the box, than it's the distributions fault, as they could easily setup to only use ide-scsi for everyone. Actually, at least the for profit distributions should have a keen interest in this, as this makes their distribution easier to use. And ease-of-use sells. > WRONG: ... or must I send you a ide-cdrom driver where I removed the ability > to send SCSI commands to the CD-ROM drive to proove that you ar wrong? > > Fact is you NEED SCSI commands to do it and ide-cdrom does it in a non Linux way > so cdrecord cannot use it. You need SCSI commands to play and listen to music? > IDE-CD being the default configuration for ATAPI CD-ROm drives > is causing problems for many people and it does things (send SCSI commands) > in a way that is noncompliant with the rest of the Linux kernel. Is ide-cd *REALLY* causing problems for people who only want to listen to music and read files off a CD? NOTE: I'm not talking of grabbing music off a CD here, nor am I talking about reading a CD in binary mode (eg. cat /dev/cdrom). Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 8 days 6 hours 13 minutes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ide-scsi problem!
So sprach Joerg Schilling am Tue, May 22, 2001 at 01:24:58AM +0200: > In our research institute nobody bought a PC with less that 512 MB in 2001. > Asking perople abouth their private PC's, I know that nobod bought less than > 128 MB for a PC that is new this year. While 512 MB is still way above normal, 128 MB isn't. Quite some come even with 256 MB. From my judgement, I'd say that the majority of PCs which will be bought this year will have at least 128 MB - just have a look at how much RAM Windows XP and/or Windows 2000 require, and you'll see how this comes. > The fact that you know how to reconfigure Linux to make a ATAPI CD-writer > work does not mean that the average Linux user knows how to do this. > I am simply asking that Linux should dafault to a configuration that > is easy to use for most of it's current (new) users. And this makes sense. If most (all?) of the *CURRENT* CD Roms support ide-scsi, and if ide-scsi doesn't have any bad side effects for *CURRENT* CD Roms, than by all means: Make this the default, so that cd writing get's easier to setup! > Open/close tray, lock tray, read audio, read toc, change error recovery parameters > and a lot more. Well, I could care less about Open/Close/Lock tray, but the other features are much more important, IMHO. Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 7 days 19 hours 14 minutes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: making an iso of a solaris 2.6 cd
So sprach Greg Coit am Fri, May 18, 2001 at 01:40:36PM -0700:
> I'm trying to make an iso of our solaris 2.6 cd (Sun is discontinuing
> support for 2.6 and we wan;t to make sure we have a backup). However, I'm
> having a heck of a time figuring out the correct flags to use with mkisofs
> so that symlinks, file name and file caps are the same between the cd and
> the iso. Has anybosy done this before and know what flags to use? I'm
> using mkisofs-1.9-5 on a RedHat 7.0 box.
If you want to copy a CD, then mkisofs is not what you're looking for.
mkisofs is used to create a new iso image for CDs.
The easiest way to copy a CD is to simply read it and copy the output to a
file, like so:
cat /dev/cdrom > /tmp/Solaris-2.6.raw
Now you can burn the image you've got in /tmp/Solaris-2.6.raw to a CD, liks
so:
cdrecord /tmp/Solaris-2.6.raw
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Re: CD-ROM backup systems?
So sprach Bill Davidsen am Wed, May 16, 2001 at 03:57:05PM -0400: > No, but it's trivial to do depending on what you want for grouping. > Just use a simple program to break the parts into groups and backup each > group, where a group is either the single file or the size of data under > a directory at level N. Hmm, isn't that what mkisofs's split parameter does? Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 2 days 9 hours 32 minutes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problem with mkisofs/cdrecord
So sprach Stacy Mader am Fri, May 11, 2001 at 08:30:05AM +1000: > Has anyone else found this? Nope, never noticed this. Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 1 day 12 hours 13 minutes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
