Re: Rampant fraud attempts from my site - Can I limit Number of Emails/Hour?

[Mike Chabot]

If your site currently allows users to send E-mails directly via the
site, you might want to introduce a buffer that logs all E-mails to
send to a database table, then processes that table on a background
thread using a scheduled task. On that background thread you can do
analysis before sending out the E-mails to identify suspicious E-mails
and place holds on them. If you notice they are all coming from the
same IP address, you can add a system to ban specified IP addresses.
If you notice they are all coming from the same country, you can block
entire countries in your firewall. In my experience, banning entire
counties is quite effective.

If fraud is really a problem you can implement a system like banks,
healthcare providers, and eBay use where you have a secure messaging
system inside of your Web site. Messaging systems are non-trivial to
implement though.

Good luck,
Mike Chabot

On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Rick King kingrick...@hotmail.com wrote:

 OK, I think I can figure that out. Thanks for the recommendation!

 

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user-generated rich text on coldfusion page

[Craig Buckley]

My (non-html-writing) customer wants to use ms-word to generate a portion of a 
coldfusion page.  The idea is they can generate a file (.doc or .rtf or 
whatever) that I include on the page.  I've looked at various tags including 
cfcontent, cfdocument, cfinclude to try to find out how to include the rich 
text from a word document into the page seamlessly.  I've tried saving the word 
doc as a doc, xps and rtf to no avail.  They want to bullet, change font color, 
font size etc so a simple entry of text into a database won't work.  Any 
Suggestions? 

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Re: user-generated rich text on coldfusion page

[Ian Skinner]

On 2/10/2010 7:13 AM, Craig Buckley wrote:
 Any Suggestions?


Well if you want a browser that renders HTML to understand the 
formatting from these documents, then these documents should probably be 
rendered as HTML.  Have you tried the save as HTML option that is 
included in the Word program.

Most people would deride the HTML the program produces, in fact many 
tools, like Dreamweaver contain Word HTML Clean up functions, but it 
should work.

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Re: user-generated rich text on coldfusion page

[Gerald Guido]

The new version of CKeditor 3.x is pretty nice. It was FCKEditor. Adobe uses
FCK 2.x in it's rich text verrsion of cftexarea.

http://ckeditor.com/

It has a feature Paste from Word. I have not tried it but it might be
worth looking at.

As a word of warning. Inline wysiwyg editors can create some pretty dodgy
html and repeated formating can create some pretty horrific HTML. I have not
been very happy with the results at times but for simple formatting it does
the trick.

Ian has a good point as well. There are apps out there that can clean up
Word's HTML, which is ugly as sin.

HTH

G!

On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Craig Buckley ceb...@aol.com wrote:


 My (non-html-writing) customer wants to use ms-word to generate a portion
 of a coldfusion page.  The idea is they can generate a file (.doc or .rtf or
 whatever) that I include on the page.  I've looked at various tags including
 cfcontent, cfdocument, cfinclude to try to find out how to include the rich
 text from a word document into the page seamlessly.  I've tried saving the
 word doc as a doc, xps and rtf to no avail.  They want to bullet, change
 font color, font size etc so a simple entry of text into a database won't
 work.  Any Suggestions?

 

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Combing Multiple Queries Into One Table

[patrick buch]

Hi everyone,

Thanks for taking a minute to read this and respond if you do... :)

Ok, I have multiple queries. I have to have multiple queries to massage the 
data differently for some of the columns. I want to combine all those queries 
into one table or cfgrid. How do I do that?

Thanks as always C'mon Baseball. :) 

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Combing Multiple Queries Into One Table

[patrick buch]

Hi everyone,

Thanks for taking a minute to read this and respond if you do... :)

Ok, I have multiple queries. I have to have multiple queries to massage the 
data differently for some of the columns. I want to combine all those queries 
into one table or cfgrid. How do I do that?

Thanks as always C'mon Baseball. :) 

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Re: Combing Multiple Queries Into One Table

[Qing Xia]

 Ok, I have multiple queries. I have to have multiple queries to massage the
 data differently for some of the columns. I want to combine all those
 queries into one table or cfgrid. How do I do that?


Check out the Query...() functions such as QueryNew(), QueryAddColumn() and
etc.

The other option to consider is to use SQL Server (or whatever your back-end
database is) to do the heavy-lifting data manipulation.  It is usually much
faster, and tends to create cleaner code.


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RE: user-generated rich text on coldfusion page

[Eric Roberts]

I would highly recommend using the dreamweaver or other cleanup util as the
code that word produces is exceedingly bloated.  I haven't tried it
recently, so MS may have cleaned it up a bit, but I remember a few years
back getting lazy and using that to put my resume in an html format for my
consulting company website and it produced a document that was several MB as
it has so much crap in it.  I ran the cleaner and it brought it down to the
kb range.

Eric

-Original Message-
From: Ian Skinner [mailto:h...@ilsweb.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 9:27 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: user-generated rich text on coldfusion page


On 2/10/2010 7:13 AM, Craig Buckley wrote:
 Any Suggestions?


Well if you want a browser that renders HTML to understand the 
formatting from these documents, then these documents should probably be 
rendered as HTML.  Have you tried the save as HTML option that is 
included in the Word program.

Most people would deride the HTML the program produces, in fact many 
tools, like Dreamweaver contain Word HTML Clean up functions, but it 
should work.



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Re: user-generated rich text on coldfusion page

[Casey Dougall]

On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Eric Roberts 
ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:


 I would highly recommend using the dreamweaver or other cleanup util as the
 code that word produces is exceedingly bloated.  I haven't tried it
 recently, so MS may have cleaned it up a bit, but I remember a few years
 back getting lazy and using that to put my resume in an html format for my
 consulting company website and it produced a document that was several MB
 as
 it has so much crap in it.  I ran the cleaner and it brought it down to the
 kb range.

 Eric



Dreamweaver hasn't been catching word 2007 formatting issues with
smartquotes, odd things that happen with hyphans and also double spaces
after periods... It's a straight pain


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Re: Rampant fraud attempts from my site - Can I limit Number of Emails/Hour?

[Al Musella, DPM]

I had that problem.. and the danger is that if there is too much 
spam, the sellers will leave your site and go elsewhere because it 
isn't worth thier time.. so you need to stop it.

What I did was set up a system where the form submission saves the 
email to a database and a human has to approve it manually.  I have a 
screen where the pending emails are listed and there is a radio 
button next to each message for send or delete.  You can sort them in 
any way - like by ip address of sender, email of sender, email of 
recipient, etc..   I also have a way to add a sender's email or ip 
address to a block list and also to add key phrases (like pay more 
than you ask )to a block list
  then when this admin page is displayed, I check each message to see 
if any part is blocked - if so, I display it as red with a default of 
delete, if not it is green with a default of send.
   I just glance down the list - looking for one person sending 
multiple messages and see if they look legitimate or not..  I can 
quickly process a lot. I do it maybe 20 times a day. but if you 
have  a huge volume, hire someone to do it

I am finding that about 2/3 of all submissions are spam now.



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PDF forms submitting to URL

[Chad Gray]

I am experimenting with a form in a PDF.  It submits the FDFX data to a 
ColdFusion page
http://foo.com/takeInFDF.cfm
 
How do I parse the data on the CF page?
 
I CFDumped the FORM and URL scope and they are empty.
 
Anyone know how the FDFX xml data is passed to the URL so I can parse it?
 
Thanks,
Chad

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Re: Combing Multiple Queries Into One Table

[Alan Rother]

Hey Patrick,

Not knowing anything about the database server type,  table structures,
current queries, data types or end use goals it's very hard to make
any recommendations. It's like asking someone, what's the best way to get
here and not sharing the starting or ending points or how you want to get
there (car, boat, plane, bike, walk).

To help you out you're going to need to provide more details about the
specifics.

=]

-- 
Alan Rother
Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7 Developer
Manager, Phoenix Cold Fusion User Group, AZCFUG.org


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Re: user-generated rich text on coldfusion page

[Tony Bentley]

I also suggest the 'Paste from Word' feature in FCKEditor. It is perhaps the 
best method of moving content from Word to Web. The only issue is Word can do 
much more then text so if the user tries to insert a photo and expects the 
graphics to automatically move into the editor, that will cause problems. There 
needs to be some level of understanding to the limitations of Word to HTML. 

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Re: Rampant fraud attempts from my site - Can I limit Number of Emails/Hour?

[Jochem van Dieten]

On 2/9/10, Rick King wrote:
 I have a site I built where people can sell their used wedding dresses.
 Lately, I'm getting a ton of fraud attempts from the site. Basically,
 Someone will use the site to contact the seller of an item, and attempt to
 fraud them out of their money (bad checks, paying more money than the seller
 is asking for, etc).

The reason people spam (in your case not for meds but for their
fraudulent activities) is because it is a cost efficient way to get a
message to people. All your attempts through filters etc. are ways to
increase the cost per message indirectly through decreasing the number
of messages that get delivered. In my experience making that indirect
mechanism an explicit cost factor is the best way to decrease spam:
charge a fee for people who want to send more than 3 messages per day.

Jochem

-- 
Jochem van Dieten
http://jochem.vandieten.net/

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RE: user-generated rich text on coldfusion page

[Eric Nicholas Sweeney]

I use FCK Editor (now ckeditor) in my CMS - and I have had very good results
with it - as far as my customers being able to edit code. (And myself for
that matter)

But yeah - make sure they use the paste from word button - or the code
they paste in will be nasty. Paste from word does a pretty good job of only
pasting the text and not all the extra word garbage...

It also has a pretty good file manager plugin so your users can manage the
pictures on the server...

This will probably be your biggest hurdle - - your users will think they can
cut and paste the graphics from Word into the Editor - and it may take a bit
of education/hand holding to explain how it works. (They will also think
they can upload pics directly from their digital camera and have them show
up sized as well... But that is  a different matter altogether.)

- Nick



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Re: PDF forms submitting to URL

[Leigh]

Try dumping the content field from getHttpRequestData(). IIRC, you could use 
iText's fdf parser to read the data.

-Leigh


  

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Re: IDE for coldfusion 9

[Adrocknaphobia]

cfplug

Why not give Adobe ColdFusion Builder a spin? It has built-in support for CF
7 - 9. As well as inline support for HTML, CSS, JS and SQL.
http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/coldfusionbuilder/

/cfplug

-Adam

On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 9:35 PM, fun and learning funandlrnn...@gmail.comwrote:


 Yes the latest version of CFE has a CF 9 dictionary. i.e. It supports CF9
 syntax.
 
 G!
 
 On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 2:13 PM, fun and learning funandlrnn...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 
  Hi,
 
  Can anyone tell me if there is a new CFEclipse plugin for Coldfusion 9?
 
 
 Hi All,

 Thanks a lot for the information. I did install the latest cfeclipse
 plugin, and tried a simple cfoutput example, and its working...

 

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Code Review?

[Glyn Jackson]

I have been asked to looked as some code within this page is below. I have no 
idea what its doing however I was told its needed but keeps giving me errors. 
is your opinion why does this exists?

cfparam name=referer_itemID default=0
cfparam name=referer_popupID default=0
cfif len(cgi.HTTP_REFERER)
!--- Item ID ---
cfset begin_itemID = find(item_id:,cgi.HTTP_REFERER) + 8 /
cfif begin_itemID
cfset end_itemID = find(/,cgi.HTTP_REFERER,begin_itemID) /
cfset referer_itemID = 
mid(cgi.HTTP_REFERER,begin_itemID,end_itemID-begin_itemID) /
/cfif 


!--- MP ID ---
cfset begin_mpID = find(mp_id:,cgi.HTTP_REFERER) + 6 /
cfif begin_mpID
cfset end_mpID = find(/,cgi.HTTP_REFERER,begin_mpID) /
cfset referer_popupID = 
mid(cgi.HTTP_REFERER,begin_mpID,end_mpID-begin_mpID) /
/cfif

cfif not isNumeric(referer_itemID)
cfset referer_itemID = 0 /
/cfif
cfif not isNumeric(referer_popupID)
cfset referer_popupID = 0 /
/cfif

cfparam name=livewireLaunch default=0

cfif livewireLaunch
cfset referer_itemID = -1 /
/cfif
/cfif 

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RE: PDF forms submitting to URL

[Chad Gray]

Thanks Leigh!

It is binary data, lovely.  I think I will switch to HTML instead of FDF in the 
PDF form.

Looks like using HTML the data is sent as a FORM object.

Thanks again!
Chad

-Original Message-
From: Leigh [mailto:cfsearch...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 11:45 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: PDF forms submitting to URL


Try dumping the content field from getHttpRequestData(). IIRC, you could use 
iText's fdf parser to read the data.

-Leigh


  



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Re: IDE for coldfusion 9

[Brandon]

I tried CFBuilder for several months and finally got fed up with glitchy
code-folding.  Plus, I don't want to get too used to a tool that's going to
end up costing an arm and a leg.  Eclipse + plugins seems to handle
everything I need, without beta-testing bugs.

-Brandon

On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 10:51 AM, Adrocknaphobia
adrocknapho...@gmail.comwrote:


 cfplug

 Why not give Adobe ColdFusion Builder a spin? It has built-in support for
 CF
 7 - 9. As well as inline support for HTML, CSS, JS and SQL.
 http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/coldfusionbuilder/

 /cfplug

 -Adam

 On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 9:35 PM, fun and learning funandlrnn...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 
  Yes the latest version of CFE has a CF 9 dictionary. i.e. It supports
 CF9
  syntax.
  
  G!
  
  On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 2:13 PM, fun and learning 
 funandlrnn...@gmail.com
  wrote:
  
  
   Hi,
  
   Can anyone tell me if there is a new CFEclipse plugin for Coldfusion
 9?
  
  
  Hi All,
 
  Thanks a lot for the information. I did install the latest cfeclipse
  plugin, and tried a simple cfoutput example, and its working...
 
 

 

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Re: Chrome cfgrid flash

[Adrocknaphobia]

Paul,

The latest Chrome builds seem to have some backward comparability issues
with Flash that they still need to sort out. We took a quick look into it
and it looks like it might be an issues with how FlashVars are being handled
(or in this case... not being handled).

-Adam

On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 8:35 PM, Paul Ihrig pih...@gmail.com wrote:


 http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=35220

 

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Re: Code Review?

[William Seiter]

without seeing the context of the code, it appears to be holding values that 
may be used for 'tracking' the user on the site.
What is the error that you are receiving from it?

--
William E. Seiter


On Feb 10, 2010, Glyn Jackson glyn.jack...@newebia.co.uk wrote: 


I have been asked to looked as some code within this page is below. I have no 
idea what its doing however I was told its needed but keeps giving me errors. 
is your opinion why does this exists?

cfparam name=referer_itemID default=0
cfparam name=referer_popupID default=0
cfif len(cgi.HTTP_REFERER)
!--- Item ID ---
cfset begin_itemID = find(item_id:,cgi.HTTP_REFERER) + 8 /
cfif begin_itemID
cfset end_itemID = find(/,cgi.HTTP_REFERER,begin_itemID) /
cfset referer_itemID = 
mid(cgi.HTTP_REFERER,begin_itemID,end_itemID-begin_itemID) /
/cfif 


!--- MP ID ---
cfset begin_mpID = find(mp_id:,cgi.HTTP_REFERER) + 6 /
cfif begin_mpID
cfset end_mpID = find(/,cgi.HTTP_REFERER,begin_mpID) /
cfset referer_popupID = 
mid(cgi.HTTP_REFERER,begin_mpID,end_mpID-begin_mpID) /
/cfif

cfif not isNumeric(referer_itemID)
cfset referer_itemID = 0 /
/cfif
cfif not isNumeric(referer_popupID)
cfset referer_popupID = 0 /
/cfif

cfparam name=livewireLaunch default=0

cfif livewireLaunch
cfset referer_itemID = -1 /
/cfif
/cfif 



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re: Code Review?

[Jason Fisher]

All this code is doing is setting 2 variables, based on values that existed 
in the user's previous request, as tracked in cgi.http_referer.

referer_itemID:  holds the value of a url param called item_id: or '0' if 
the param is invalid or missing or '-1' if there is already a variable 
called livewireLaunch set to non-zero

referer_popupID:  hold the value of a url param called mp_id: or '0' if 
the param is invalid or missing





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Re: IDE for coldfusion 9

[Adrocknaphobia]

Brandon,

What would you consider an arm and a leg?

We originally started work on ColdFusion Builder as a feature of ColdFusion
9. In fact it was a the highest requested feature for CF9 despite the
existence of CFEclipse, Dreamweaver and HomeSite. But as our vision for a
comprehensive ColdFusion IDE grew, it made more sense to turn it into it's
own product. What I mean to say is that we built this for the community, not
to supplement ColdFusion revenue. Adobe isn't looking for a pay day on CB so
you shouldn't expect to have to part with your appendages. :-)

-Adam



On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Brandon brandonregis...@gmail.com wrote:


 I tried CFBuilder for several months and finally got fed up with glitchy
 code-folding.  Plus, I don't want to get too used to a tool that's going to
 end up costing an arm and a leg.  Eclipse + plugins seems to handle
 everything I need, without beta-testing bugs.

 -Brandon

 On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 10:51 AM, Adrocknaphobia
 adrocknapho...@gmail.comwrote:

 
  cfplug
 
  Why not give Adobe ColdFusion Builder a spin? It has built-in support for
  CF
  7 - 9. As well as inline support for HTML, CSS, JS and SQL.
  http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/coldfusionbuilder/
 
  /cfplug
 
  -Adam



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Re: IDE for coldfusion 9

[Brandon]

Adam,

Thanks for the feedback.  My comment was based mostly on heresy and existing
Adobe product costs.  I have not seen any official pricing yet.  Many of the
numbers circulating around were near the $300 mark.  I understand that it's
not meant to be a revenue builder, but I assume that Adobe will want to at
least recuperate a fair amount of its development costs.  Maybe with the
growing .NET community, in addition to the (arguably similar and still free)
Eclipse IDE, Adobe will eat much of the cost in order to sustain their
market share.

-Brandon

On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 11:25 AM, Adrocknaphobia
adrocknapho...@gmail.comwrote:


 Brandon,

 What would you consider an arm and a leg?

 We originally started work on ColdFusion Builder as a feature of ColdFusion
 9. In fact it was a the highest requested feature for CF9 despite the
 existence of CFEclipse, Dreamweaver and HomeSite. But as our vision for a
 comprehensive ColdFusion IDE grew, it made more sense to turn it into it's
 own product. What I mean to say is that we built this for the community,
 not
 to supplement ColdFusion revenue. Adobe isn't looking for a pay day on CB
 so
 you shouldn't expect to have to part with your appendages. :-)

 -Adam



 On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Brandon brandonregis...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 
  I tried CFBuilder for several months and finally got fed up with glitchy
  code-folding.  Plus, I don't want to get too used to a tool that's going
 to
  end up costing an arm and a leg.  Eclipse + plugins seems to handle
  everything I need, without beta-testing bugs.
 
  -Brandon
 
  On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 10:51 AM, Adrocknaphobia
  adrocknapho...@gmail.comwrote:
 
  
   cfplug
  
   Why not give Adobe ColdFusion Builder a spin? It has built-in support
 for
   CF
   7 - 9. As well as inline support for HTML, CSS, JS and SQL.
   http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/coldfusionbuilder/
  
   /cfplug
  
   -Adam
 


 

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RE: IDE for coldfusion 9

[Rick Faircloth]

Given the fact that most software is free that is described as built for
the community,
I would say that to honor that label,  Adobe would have to offer it for $50
or less, if not free.

-Original Message-
From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:adrocknapho...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 12:25 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: IDE for coldfusion 9


Brandon,

What would you consider an arm and a leg?

We originally started work on ColdFusion Builder as a feature of ColdFusion
9. In fact it was a the highest requested feature for CF9 despite the
existence of CFEclipse, Dreamweaver and HomeSite. But as our vision for a
comprehensive ColdFusion IDE grew, it made more sense to turn it into it's
own product. What I mean to say is that we built this for the community, not
to supplement ColdFusion revenue. Adobe isn't looking for a pay day on CB so
you shouldn't expect to have to part with your appendages. :-)

-Adam



On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Brandon brandonregis...@gmail.com wrote:


 I tried CFBuilder for several months and finally got fed up with glitchy
 code-folding.  Plus, I don't want to get too used to a tool that's going
to
 end up costing an arm and a leg.  Eclipse + plugins seems to handle
 everything I need, without beta-testing bugs.

 -Brandon

 On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 10:51 AM, Adrocknaphobia
 adrocknapho...@gmail.comwrote:

 
  cfplug
 
  Why not give Adobe ColdFusion Builder a spin? It has built-in support
for
  CF
  7 - 9. As well as inline support for HTML, CSS, JS and SQL.
  http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/coldfusionbuilder/
 
  /cfplug
 
  -Adam





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Re: IDE for coldfusion 9

[Judah McAuley]

I suspect that the point is more that the pricing on CFB is, as of
yet, unknown, so it becomes a question of whether you want to spend a
lot of time becoming familiar with a product which will likely be a
commercial product (with unknown pricing) or with a tool that you know
will continue to be free.

Obviously the calculus will change when Adobe finally puts out pricing
info for CFB. I suspect that the adoption group will differ depending
on whether it is priced at $49 or $349. As for why anyone would think
it might cost an arm and a leg, I would suggest that the most likely
comparison is to Flex Builder. And as of Flex Builder 3, there are two
versions, costing $249 and $699.  Visual Studio 2008 comes in at $299
and $799. So it is not unreasonable to presume that CFBuilder would be
priced somewhere in that range.

Judah

On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 9:25 AM, Adrocknaphobia
adrocknapho...@gmail.com wrote:

 Brandon,

 What would you consider an arm and a leg?

 We originally started work on ColdFusion Builder as a feature of ColdFusion
 9. In fact it was a the highest requested feature for CF9 despite the
 existence of CFEclipse, Dreamweaver and HomeSite. But as our vision for a
 comprehensive ColdFusion IDE grew, it made more sense to turn it into it's
 own product. What I mean to say is that we built this for the community, not
 to supplement ColdFusion revenue. Adobe isn't looking for a pay day on CB so
 you shouldn't expect to have to part with your appendages. :-)

 -Adam



 On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Brandon brandonregis...@gmail.com wrote:


 I tried CFBuilder for several months and finally got fed up with glitchy
 code-folding.  Plus, I don't want to get too used to a tool that's going to
 end up costing an arm and a leg.  Eclipse + plugins seems to handle
 everything I need, without beta-testing bugs.

 -Brandon

 On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 10:51 AM, Adrocknaphobia
 adrocknapho...@gmail.comwrote:

 
  cfplug
 
  Why not give Adobe ColdFusion Builder a spin? It has built-in support for
  CF
  7 - 9. As well as inline support for HTML, CSS, JS and SQL.
  http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/coldfusionbuilder/
 
  /cfplug
 
  -Adam



 

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Re: IDE for coldfusion 9

[Brandon]

Rick,

I would have to agree with that train of thought.  Hopefully, it ends up
being the case.

-Brandon


On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Rick Faircloth
r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote:


 Given the fact that most software is free that is described as built for
 the community,
 I would say that to honor that label,  Adobe would have to offer it for $50
 or less, if not free.

 -Original Message-
 From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:adrocknapho...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 12:25 PM
 To: cf-talk
 Subject: Re: IDE for coldfusion 9


 Brandon,

 What would you consider an arm and a leg?

 We originally started work on ColdFusion Builder as a feature of ColdFusion
 9. In fact it was a the highest requested feature for CF9 despite the
 existence of CFEclipse, Dreamweaver and HomeSite. But as our vision for a
 comprehensive ColdFusion IDE grew, it made more sense to turn it into it's
 own product. What I mean to say is that we built this for the community,
 not
 to supplement ColdFusion revenue. Adobe isn't looking for a pay day on CB
 so
 you shouldn't expect to have to part with your appendages. :-)

 -Adam



 On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Brandon brandonregis...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 
  I tried CFBuilder for several months and finally got fed up with glitchy
  code-folding.  Plus, I don't want to get too used to a tool that's going
 to
  end up costing an arm and a leg.  Eclipse + plugins seems to handle
  everything I need, without beta-testing bugs.
 
  -Brandon
 
  On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 10:51 AM, Adrocknaphobia
  adrocknapho...@gmail.comwrote:
 
  
   cfplug
  
   Why not give Adobe ColdFusion Builder a spin? It has built-in support
 for
   CF
   7 - 9. As well as inline support for HTML, CSS, JS and SQL.
   http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/coldfusionbuilder/
  
   /cfplug
  
   -Adam
 




 

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Re: IDE for coldfusion 9

[Gerald Guido]

Honestly, there is no reason to *not* to think that it will not cost an
appendage or two. Adobe products are not cheap. Flex builder is what?
$250-300. CFStudio (may it rest in peace) used to cost $300 or $400 and
given the recent 33% increase in the cost of ACF Enterprise there is no
reason to not expect a price tag in the $250-300 range.

G!


On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 12:25 PM, Adrocknaphobia
adrocknapho...@gmail.comwrote:


 Brandon,

 What would you consider an arm and a leg?

 We originally started work on ColdFusion Builder as a feature of ColdFusion
 9. In fact it was a the highest requested feature for CF9 despite the
 existence of CFEclipse, Dreamweaver and HomeSite. But as our vision for a
 comprehensive ColdFusion IDE grew, it made more sense to turn it into it's
 own product. What I mean to say is that we built this for the community,
 not
 to supplement ColdFusion revenue. Adobe isn't looking for a pay day on CB
 so
 you shouldn't expect to have to part with your appendages. :-)



 

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re: Code Review?

[Al Musella, DPM]

Does it always cause an error or just sometimes? If it is sometimes, 
it might be the browser not sending the http_referer..
try using cfparam on it.



At 12:23 PM 2/10/2010, you wrote:

All this code is doing is setting 2 variables, based on values that existed
in the user's previous request, as tracked in cgi.http_referer.

referer_itemID:  holds the value of a url param called item_id: or '0' if
the param is invalid or missing or '-1' if there is already a variable
called livewireLaunch set to non-zero

referer_popupID:  hold the value of a url param called mp_id: or '0' if
the param is invalid or missing







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Re: IDE for coldfusion 9

[Dave Watts]

 Honestly, there is no reason to *not* to think that it will not cost an
 appendage or two. Adobe products are not cheap. Flex builder is what?
 $250-300. CFStudio (may it rest in peace) used to cost $300 or $400 and
 given the recent 33% increase in the cost of ACF Enterprise there is no
 reason to not expect a price tag in the $250-300 range.

You say appendage, I say a few hours of billable work. That's
really the question people should be asking about this - will it save
enough time to be worth paying for? We can't say yet until pricing is
available, but for most people doing Flex development, a few hundred
dollars is well worth it.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
http://training.figleaf.com/

Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on
GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized
instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite.

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RE: Code Review?

[brad]

CGI scoped variables always exist.  

#cgi.I_like_cheese_burgers# should return an empty string-- unless of
course, there is a web server out there that implements that variable. 
:)

~Brad

 Original Message 
Subject: re: Code Review?
From: Al Musella, DPM muse...@virtualtrials.com
Date: Wed, February 10, 2010 12:17 pm
To: cf-talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com


Does it always cause an error or just sometimes? If it is sometimes, 
it might be the browser not sending the http_referer..
try using cfparam on it.




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Re: IDE for coldfusion 9

[Adrocknaphobia]

Gerald,

A recent increase in Enterprise edition by 33% is news to me. Are you
referring to the 25% increase of ColdFusion 8 Enterprise from previous
versions? The price for ColdFusion 9 has not gone up at all and the rise in
cost of ColdFusion 8 was the first in 8 years and we were able to isolate
that to Enterprise edition only. If anything, you could say the cost of CF9
went down considerably since Adobe no longer charges for dev, test and
staging environments.

-Adam

On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 1:11 PM, Gerald Guido gerald.gu...@gmail.comwrote:


 Honestly, there is no reason to *not* to think that it will not cost an
 appendage or two. Adobe products are not cheap. Flex builder is what?
 $250-300. CFStudio (may it rest in peace) used to cost $300 or $400 and
 given the recent 33% increase in the cost of ACF Enterprise there is no
 reason to not expect a price tag in the $250-300 range.

 G!


 On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 12:25 PM, Adrocknaphobia
 adrocknapho...@gmail.comwrote:

 
  Brandon,
 
  What would you consider an arm and a leg?
 
  We originally started work on ColdFusion Builder as a feature of
 ColdFusion
  9. In fact it was a the highest requested feature for CF9 despite the
  existence of CFEclipse, Dreamweaver and HomeSite. But as our vision for a
  comprehensive ColdFusion IDE grew, it made more sense to turn it into
 it's
  own product. What I mean to say is that we built this for the community,
  not
  to supplement ColdFusion revenue. Adobe isn't looking for a pay day on CB
  so
  you shouldn't expect to have to part with your appendages. :-)
 
 
 
 

 

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RE: IDE for coldfusion 9

[Rick Faircloth]

I certainly don't see CFB as worth any more than $50 since it doesn't seem
to provide anything different than CFEclipse, which is still free.

-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:24 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: IDE for coldfusion 9


 Honestly, there is no reason to *not* to think that it will not cost an
 appendage or two. Adobe products are not cheap. Flex builder is what?
 $250-300. CFStudio (may it rest in peace) used to cost $300 or $400 and
 given the recent 33% increase in the cost of ACF Enterprise there is no
 reason to not expect a price tag in the $250-300 range.

You say appendage, I say a few hours of billable work. That's
really the question people should be asking about this - will it save
enough time to be worth paying for? We can't say yet until pricing is
available, but for most people doing Flex development, a few hundred
dollars is well worth it.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
http://training.figleaf.com/

Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on
GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized
instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite.



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Re: IDE for coldfusion 9

[Gerald Guido]

You say appendage, I say a few hours of billable work. That's
really the question people should be asking about this - will it save
enough time to be worth paying for?

The definition of such depends on who is holding the purse strings. I have
no problem with nutting up for a good editor. Hell, I recently bought CF 8
server for my own personal use. But getting bean counters at my day job to
do so will be a whole nother ball of wax.


 If anything, you could say the cost of CF9
went down considerably since Adobe no longer charges for dev, test and
staging environments.

Excellent. I missed that one. Good reason to upgrade then.

G!

On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 1:23 PM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote:


  Honestly, there is no reason to *not* to think that it will not cost an
  appendage or two. Adobe products are not cheap. Flex builder is what?
  $250-300. CFStudio (may it rest in peace) used to cost $300 or $400 and
  given the recent 33% increase in the cost of ACF Enterprise there is no
  reason to not expect a price tag in the $250-300 range.

 You say appendage, I say a few hours of billable work. That's
 really the question people should be asking about this - will it save
 enough time to be worth paying for? We can't say yet until pricing is
 available, but for most people doing Flex development, a few hundred
 dollars is well worth it.

 Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
 http://www.figleaf.com/
 http://training.figleaf.com/

 Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on
 GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized
 instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite.

 

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dev licensing

[Chad Gray]

I will start a new thread.

I have not had time to look into the dev licensing.  Do you just use your 
production license key on your dev server?

Thanks,
Chad



-Original Message-
From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:adrocknapho...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:24 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: IDE for coldfusion 9


Gerald,

A recent increase in Enterprise edition by 33% is news to me. Are you
referring to the 25% increase of ColdFusion 8 Enterprise from previous
versions? The price for ColdFusion 9 has not gone up at all and the rise in
cost of ColdFusion 8 was the first in 8 years and we were able to isolate
that to Enterprise edition only. If anything, you could say the cost of CF9
went down considerably since Adobe no longer charges for dev, test and
staging environments.

-Adam

On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 1:11 PM, Gerald Guido gerald.gu...@gmail.comwrote:


 Honestly, there is no reason to *not* to think that it will not cost an
 appendage or two. Adobe products are not cheap. Flex builder is what?
 $250-300. CFStudio (may it rest in peace) used to cost $300 or $400 and
 given the recent 33% increase in the cost of ACF Enterprise there is no
 reason to not expect a price tag in the $250-300 range.

 G!


 On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 12:25 PM, Adrocknaphobia
 adrocknapho...@gmail.comwrote:

 
  Brandon,
 
  What would you consider an arm and a leg?
 
  We originally started work on ColdFusion Builder as a feature of
 ColdFusion
  9. In fact it was a the highest requested feature for CF9 despite the
  existence of CFEclipse, Dreamweaver and HomeSite. But as our vision for a
  comprehensive ColdFusion IDE grew, it made more sense to turn it into
 it's
  own product. What I mean to say is that we built this for the community,
  not
  to supplement ColdFusion revenue. Adobe isn't looking for a pay day on CB
  so
  you shouldn't expect to have to part with your appendages. :-)
 
 
 
 

 



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Re: dev licensing

[Gerald Guido]

I have not had time to look into the dev licensing.  Do you just use your
production license key on your dev server?

Yeah, what Chad said. That is a game changer right there. I totally missed
that one. Whoosh.

G!


On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 1:33 PM, Chad Gray cg...@careyweb.com wrote:


 I will start a new thread.

 I have not had time to look into the dev licensing.  Do you just use your
 production license key on your dev server?

 Thanks,
 Chad



 -Original Message-
 From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:adrocknapho...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:24 PM
 To: cf-talk
 Subject: Re: IDE for coldfusion 9


 Gerald,

 A recent increase in Enterprise edition by 33% is news to me. Are you
 referring to the 25% increase of ColdFusion 8 Enterprise from previous
 versions? The price for ColdFusion 9 has not gone up at all and the rise in
 cost of ColdFusion 8 was the first in 8 years and we were able to isolate
 that to Enterprise edition only. If anything, you could say the cost of CF9
 went down considerably since Adobe no longer charges for dev, test and
 staging environments.

 -Adam

 On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 1:11 PM, Gerald Guido gerald.gu...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 
  Honestly, there is no reason to *not* to think that it will not cost an
  appendage or two. Adobe products are not cheap. Flex builder is what?
  $250-300. CFStudio (may it rest in peace) used to cost $300 or $400 and
  given the recent 33% increase in the cost of ACF Enterprise there is no
  reason to not expect a price tag in the $250-300 range.
 
  G!
 
 
  On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 12:25 PM, Adrocknaphobia
  adrocknapho...@gmail.comwrote:
 
  
   Brandon,
  
   What would you consider an arm and a leg?
  
   We originally started work on ColdFusion Builder as a feature of
  ColdFusion
   9. In fact it was a the highest requested feature for CF9 despite the
   existence of CFEclipse, Dreamweaver and HomeSite. But as our vision for
 a
   comprehensive ColdFusion IDE grew, it made more sense to turn it into
  it's
   own product. What I mean to say is that we built this for the
 community,
   not
   to supplement ColdFusion revenue. Adobe isn't looking for a pay day on
 CB
   so
   you shouldn't expect to have to part with your appendages. :-)
  
  
  
  
 
 



 

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Random question

[Les Irvin]

How would I come up with a 4-character random string consisting of any
letter or number?
1k3d, e4rf, 69e4, dfje, 3967, etc...

Thanks in advance for your help,
Les

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Re: Combing Multiple Queries Into One Table

[Gerald Guido]

Off the top of my head... You can use a SQL UNION statement

http://www.coldfusionmuse.com/index.cfm/2005/7/25/union%20queries

Or you can take the results of your two queries and use Query of a query to
perform a SQL UNION with the two queries.

http://livedocs.adobe.com/coldfusion/8/htmldocs/help.html?content=using_recordsets_7.html

HTH
G!

On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Alan Rother alan.rot...@gmail.com wrote:


 Hey Patrick,

 Not knowing anything about the database server type,  table structures,
 current queries, data types or end use goals it's very hard to make
 any recommendations. It's like asking someone, what's the best way to get
 here and not sharing the starting or ending points or how you want to get
 there (car, boat, plane, bike, walk).

 To help you out you're going to need to provide more details about the
 specifics.

 =]

 --
 Alan Rother
 Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7 Developer
 Manager, Phoenix Cold Fusion User Group, AZCFUG.org


 

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Re: Random question

[Brandon]

Les,

As a quick solution, you could take a look at this
http://www.cflib.org/udf/generatePassword and then modify it to your needs.

-Brandon


On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Les Irvin les.cft...@gmail.com wrote:


 How would I come up with a 4-character random string consisting of any
 letter or number?
 1k3d, e4rf, 69e4, dfje, 3967, etc...

 Thanks in advance for your help,
 Les

 

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Re: Random question

[Dan Blickensderfer]

Les,

I've use the custom tag a random password generator from adobe exchange. 
You can generate exactly what you are wanting and more.

Dan

- Original Message - 
From: Les Irvin les.cft...@gmail.com
To: cf-talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:50 PM
Subject: Random question



 How would I come up with a 4-character random string consisting of any
 letter or number?
 1k3d, e4rf, 69e4, dfje, 3967, etc...

 Thanks in advance for your help,
 Les

 

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Re: dev licensing

[Adrocknaphobia]

Yup. We updated the ColdFusion 9 license to allow for no-cost development,
testing and staging environments. You just use the same serial number as
your production version.

We also included a cloud license as well. Meaning, if you are running
ColdFusion Standard or Enterprise in a traditional environment, you can also
install additional instances to a cloud provider like Amazon EC2 or
Microsoft Azure at no extra charge. Standard edition allows for 1 cloud
instance and Enterprise allows for 10. The idea is that if you are looking
to migrate to a cloud, we didn't want to penalize you during the migration.
Also, we wanted to support the concept of cloud-bursting, where you fire up
a cloud instance to handle excessive traffic or to
off-load intensive operations like reporting, pdf gen, etc.

-Adam



On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 1:47 PM, Gerald Guido gerald.gu...@gmail.comwrote:


 I have not had time to look into the dev licensing.  Do you just use your
 production license key on your dev server?

 Yeah, what Chad said. That is a game changer right there. I totally missed
 that one. Whoosh.

 G!


 On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 1:33 PM, Chad Gray cg...@careyweb.com wrote:

 
  I will start a new thread.
 
  I have not had time to look into the dev licensing.  Do you just use your
  production license key on your dev server?
 
  Thanks,
  Chad
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:adrocknapho...@gmail.com]
  Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:24 PM
  To: cf-talk
  Subject: Re: IDE for coldfusion 9
 
 
  Gerald,
 
  A recent increase in Enterprise edition by 33% is news to me. Are you
  referring to the 25% increase of ColdFusion 8 Enterprise from previous
  versions? The price for ColdFusion 9 has not gone up at all and the rise
 in
  cost of ColdFusion 8 was the first in 8 years and we were able to isolate
  that to Enterprise edition only. If anything, you could say the cost of
 CF9
  went down considerably since Adobe no longer charges for dev, test and
  staging environments.
 
  -Adam
 
  On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 1:11 PM, Gerald Guido gerald.gu...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  
   Honestly, there is no reason to *not* to think that it will not cost an
   appendage or two. Adobe products are not cheap. Flex builder is what?
   $250-300. CFStudio (may it rest in peace) used to cost $300 or $400 and
   given the recent 33% increase in the cost of ACF Enterprise there is no
   reason to not expect a price tag in the $250-300 range.
  
   G!
  
  
   On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 12:25 PM, Adrocknaphobia
   adrocknapho...@gmail.comwrote:
  
   
Brandon,
   
What would you consider an arm and a leg?
   
We originally started work on ColdFusion Builder as a feature of
   ColdFusion
9. In fact it was a the highest requested feature for CF9 despite the
existence of CFEclipse, Dreamweaver and HomeSite. But as our vision
 for
  a
comprehensive ColdFusion IDE grew, it made more sense to turn it into
   it's
own product. What I mean to say is that we built this for the
  community,
not
to supplement ColdFusion revenue. Adobe isn't looking for a pay day
 on
  CB
so
you shouldn't expect to have to part with your appendages. :-)
   
   
   
   
  
  
 
 
 
 

 

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Re: Random question

[Jake Churchill]

cfset randomCharacters = '0123456789abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz' /
cfset randomString = '' /

cfloop from=1 to=4 index=i
cfset randomNumber = RandRange(1,LEN(randomCharacters)) /
cfset randomString = randomString 
MID(randomCharacters,randomNumber,1) /
/cfloop

-Jake

On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Les Irvin les.cft...@gmail.com wrote:


 How would I come up with a 4-character random string consisting of any
 letter or number?
 1k3d, e4rf, 69e4, dfje, 3967, etc...

 Thanks in advance for your help,
 Les

 

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Re: Random question

[Judah McAuley]

Here's the function I use:

cffunction name=generateShortCode access=public output=false
returntype=string
!--- Create a 6 digit, base 32 code that will be used to identify
this particular user---
cfscript
var numberToUse = RandRange(1,10,SHA1PRNG);
var shortcode = FormatBaseN(numberToUse,32);
/cfscript

cfscript
while(Len(shortcode) LT 6){
shortcode = '0'shortcode;
}
/cfscript
cfreturn shortcode /
/cffunction

Obviously that generates a 6 character string, not a 4 character
string, but change the 6 to a 4 and Bob's your Uncle.

Judah

On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 10:50 AM, Les Irvin les.cft...@gmail.com wrote:

 How would I come up with a 4-character random string consisting of any
 letter or number?
 1k3d, e4rf, 69e4, dfje, 3967, etc...

 Thanks in advance for your help,
 Les

 

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Re: Random question

[Alan Rother]

http://cflib.org/udf/getRandString

=]

On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Les Irvin les.cft...@gmail.com wrote:


 How would I come up with a 4-character random string consisting of any
 letter or number?
 1k3d, e4rf, 69e4, dfje, 3967, etc...

 Thanks in advance for your help,
 Les

 

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Re: Random question

[Gerald Guido]

Go to CFLib.org and search for Random

http://www.cflib.org/index.cfm

HTH
G!

On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Les Irvin les.cft...@gmail.com wrote:


 How would I come up with a 4-character random string consisting of any
 letter or number?
 1k3d, e4rf, 69e4, dfje, 3967, etc...

 Thanks in advance for your help,
 Les

 

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Re: Code Review?

[Charlie Stell]

Id put my money on it somtimes not finding / - so your end is 0, your
start is 0, and your getting a negative with mid

On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 1:23 PM, b...@bradwood.com wrote:


 CGI scoped variables always exist.

 #cgi.I_like_cheese_burgers# should return an empty string-- unless of
 course, there is a web server out there that implements that variable.
 :)

 ~Brad

  Original Message 
 Subject: re: Code Review?
 From: Al Musella, DPM muse...@virtualtrials.com
 Date: Wed, February 10, 2010 12:17 pm
 To: cf-talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com


 Does it always cause an error or just sometimes? If it is sometimes,
 it might be the browser not sending the http_referer..
 try using cfparam on it.




 

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Re: dev licensing

[Gerald Guido]

 We also included a cloud license as well. Meaning, if you are running
 ColdFusion Standard or Enterprise in a traditional environment, you can
 also
 install additional instances to a cloud provider like Amazon EC2 or
 Microsoft Azure at no extra charge. Standard edition allows for 1 cloud
 instance and Enterprise allows for 10. The idea is that if you are looking
 to migrate to a cloud, we didn't want to penalize you during the migration.
 Also, we wanted to support the concept of cloud-bursting, where you fire up
 a cloud instance to handle excessive traffic or to
 off-load intensive operations like reporting, pdf gen, etc.



Well now, that just shaved a few grand off our budget.

Thanx,

G!


On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Adrocknaphobia adrocknapho...@gmail.comwrote:


 Yup. We updated the ColdFusion 9 license to allow for no-cost development,
 testing and staging environments. You just use the same serial number as
 your production version.

 We also included a cloud license as well. Meaning, if you are running
 ColdFusion Standard or Enterprise in a traditional environment, you can
 also
 install additional instances to a cloud provider like Amazon EC2 or
 Microsoft Azure at no extra charge. Standard edition allows for 1 cloud
 instance and Enterprise allows for 10. The idea is that if you are looking
 to migrate to a cloud, we didn't want to penalize you during the migration.
 Also, we wanted to support the concept of cloud-bursting, where you fire up
 a cloud instance to handle excessive traffic or to
 off-load intensive operations like reporting, pdf gen, etc.

 -Adam


 --
Gerald Guido
http://www.myinternetisbroken.com

Wait. We can't stop here. This is bat country.
-- HST


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Re: Rampant fraud attempts from my site - Can I limit Number of Emails/Hour?

[Rick King]

Thanks guys, some good ideas here. 

Yep, that is exactly what is happening. Sellers are getting tired of receiving 
so many fraudulent emails, they're starting to go to other sites. 2/3 ratio 
sounds about right.

I was hoping to avoid implementing some sort of manual/human intervention of 
the emails since the site doesn't generate enough income to really justify the 
increased labor. But, I suppose if I want to keep the site up and running, I'll 
have to look at that solution. 

Is it possible to prohibit specific countries, or, rather only allow 1 or 2 
countries to send email via the site? Not sure how to do this. 

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Re: Rampant fraud attempts from my site - Can I limit Number of Emails/Hour?

[Maureen]

If you are allowing users  to send the emails from the site, are you
requiring sign-in before sending?  If so, it would seem you should
have total control over who is sending, how many they can send, etc.
If you aren't requiring sign-in, then implement that first.  On
sign-in, set a flag that allows or disallows based on criteria such as
location, IP, etc.  You could even get a list of blacklisted IPs and
block those entirely.  Also, you could put a message on a blocked
attempt that allows the sender to contact you if they feel they have
been blocked in error.  Legit users will use that, fraudulent ones
won't.

On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Rick King kingrick...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Thanks guys, some good ideas here.

 Yep, that is exactly what is happening. Sellers are getting tired of 
 receiving so many fraudulent emails, they're starting to go to other sites. 
 2/3 ratio sounds about right.

 I was hoping to avoid implementing some sort of manual/human intervention of 
 the emails since the site doesn't generate enough income to really justify 
 the increased labor. But, I suppose if I want to keep the site up and 
 running, I'll have to look at that solution.

 Is it possible to prohibit specific countries, or, rather only allow 1 or 2 
 countries to send email via the site? Not sure how to do this.

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Re: Rampant fraud attempts from my site - Can I limit Number of Emails/Hour?

[Rick King]

No, currently you do not need to sign in to send an email to a seller, you only 
need to sign in to list your item. I was thinking it might discourage 
legitimate buyers from contacting sellers. Another idea to consider though... 

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Re: IDE for coldfusion 9

[Adrocknaphobia]

If that were the case, I would agree with you. But the fact is, ColdFusion
Builder does _a lot_ more than CFEclipse. I won't get into a marketing
pitch, but I'd invite you to take a closer look. Of course, if there is
anything you think we could add to make it worth more than $50, then I'd
love to hear it.

-Adam

On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 1:30 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote:


 I certainly don't see CFB as worth any more than $50 since it doesn't seem
 to provide anything different than CFEclipse, which is still free.




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Re: IDE for coldfusion 9

[Wil Genovese]

Adam,

1. Mylyn Integration.Yes it's that important
http://cfbugs.adobe.com/bugreport/flexbugui/cfbugtracker/main.html#bugId=77480

2. Proper code folding - See cfeclipse or even Homesite to know what I mean.
(here's a few items)
http://cfbugs.adobe.com/bugreport/flexbugui/cfbugtracker/main.html#bugId=78902
http://cfbugs.adobe.com/bugreport/flexbugui/cfbugtracker/main.html#bugId=77374

3. Extensions that DON'T require a CF server to be attached - Homesite had
this.

4. SPEED - so far she's a bit sluggish captian an I'm given'r all she's got.

5. And look at my feature requests here
http://cfbugs.adobe.com/bugreport/flexbugui/cfbugtracker/main.html#bugId=77440

I use CFBuilder all day everyday.  Overall not to bad.  There are a fair
number of reports about CFB being slow in certain tasks.  And I experience
this.  It is also painfully slow with SVN integration; SubClipse or
Subversive.  However, it is faster on my MacBook Pro than my Win XP Pro work
computer.  And this is not perceived time, but actual measured time and
really only in VERY VERY large CF applications.  I'm not sure if this is
purely the SVN client at issue or if it is the integration of the SVN client
and CFB.  Heck it could even be the crappy Windows file system as compared
to the OS X file system.  BY large SVN Repo I mean 58,000+ files in 17,000+
folders and somewhere around 400+Mb.  Yes, our app is that big.

At this point - I'd pay maybe $99 tops for CFB.

Thanks,

Wil Genovese


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Re: IDE for coldfusion 9

[Scott Brady]

I installed the latest version, and I'm pretty unimpressed:

1)  I no longer have tag insight (i.e., when I start to type cfloop
, I no longer get a list of possible attributes). I've checked every
setting I can find, and can't figure out why.
2) Now, when I paste in a line of code (a complete line), CFEclipse
adds a minimum of 2 tabs to the beginning of that line that weren't
there before.

Both of those are incredibly frustrating.

Scott


On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 7:35 PM, fun and learning
funandlrnn...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks a lot for the information. I did install the latest cfeclipse plugin, 
 and tried a simple cfoutput example, and its working...




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Re: IDE for coldfusion 9

[Adrocknaphobia]

Thanks for the input Wil. I agree with you on 1, 2 and 5. These were all
features that we researched and discussed throughout the development of
Bolt. Unfortunately, other features were rated a higher priority so we had
to push these into Storm (CB2).

We knew from the beginning that there would be no way we could cover every
feature from CFEclipse, Dreamweaver and HomeSite/Studio in our initial
release. In fact, that's why we began planning for CB2 and CB3 months ago.
Glad to hear that we're headed in the right direction.

As far as performance goes, it's something we are tracking very closely. I
can say that each subsequent build gets faster and faster. In between
releases we'll be refactoring a large part of the editor in an attempt
to dramatically boost performance.

As far as extensions that don't require a CF server... do you do much
ColdFusion development without a ColdFusion server? Either way, CB is based
on Eclipse, so you can write plugins in Java that don't require CF at all.

-Adam

On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 5:18 PM, Wil Genovese jugg...@visi.com wrote:


 Adam,

 1. Mylyn Integration.Yes it's that important

 http://cfbugs.adobe.com/bugreport/flexbugui/cfbugtracker/main.html#bugId=77480

 2. Proper code folding - See cfeclipse or even Homesite to know what I
 mean.
 (here's a few items)

 http://cfbugs.adobe.com/bugreport/flexbugui/cfbugtracker/main.html#bugId=78902

 http://cfbugs.adobe.com/bugreport/flexbugui/cfbugtracker/main.html#bugId=77374

 3. Extensions that DON'T require a CF server to be attached - Homesite had
 this.

 4. SPEED - so far she's a bit sluggish captian an I'm given'r all she's
 got.

 5. And look at my feature requests here

 http://cfbugs.adobe.com/bugreport/flexbugui/cfbugtracker/main.html#bugId=77440

 I use CFBuilder all day everyday.  Overall not to bad.  There are a fair
 number of reports about CFB being slow in certain tasks.  And I experience
 this.  It is also painfully slow with SVN integration; SubClipse or
 Subversive.  However, it is faster on my MacBook Pro than my Win XP Pro
 work
 computer.  And this is not perceived time, but actual measured time and
 really only in VERY VERY large CF applications.  I'm not sure if this is
 purely the SVN client at issue or if it is the integration of the SVN
 client
 and CFB.  Heck it could even be the crappy Windows file system as compared
 to the OS X file system.  BY large SVN Repo I mean 58,000+ files in 17,000+
 folders and somewhere around 400+Mb.  Yes, our app is that big.

 At this point - I'd pay maybe $99 tops for CFB.

 Thanks,

 Wil Genovese


 

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Re: IDE for coldfusion 9

[denstar]

On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 3:38 PM, Scott Brady wrote:

 I installed the latest version, and I'm pretty unimpressed:

 1)  I no longer have tag insight (i.e., when I start to type cfloop
 , I no longer get a list of possible attributes). I've checked every
 setting I can find, and can't figure out why.
 2) Now, when I paste in a line of code (a complete line), CFEclipse
 adds a minimum of 2 tabs to the beginning of that line that weren't
 there before.

 Both of those are incredibly frustrating.

Ja.  Both have been fixed (theoretically) in the latest preview release:

http://cfeclipse.org/update-preview

Please feel free to test the preview out, we're hoping to get the next
official release out early next week, and we appreciate the help in
making it the best it can be.

Here's a list of tickets closed for the next release (1.3.6):

http://trac.cfeclipse.org/report/10

If you run into anything, join the cfeclipse group
(http://groups.google.com/group/cfeclipse-users) and give a holler.
We've been rolling out improvements every couple days, but this is the
home stretch for the next release.

:den

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Re: IDE for coldfusion 9

[Judah McAuley]

I think that there is also a difference between requires a CF server
and requires Adobe Coldfusion 9. I appreciate some of the
integration with CF9. However, I also still do work on CF8 and an
increasing amount on Railo.  Railo adoption seems to be on the uptick
and that is something to consider. CFEclipse does not have the same
integration features that CFBuilder does for CF9. On the other hand,
CFEclipse works exactly the same way regardless of which CFML engine I
am using.  I suppose that I could use CFBuilder for CF9 and CFEclipse
for CF8 and Railo, but that seems rather messy to me.

And neither CFBuilder nor CFEclipse will really make me happy as an
IDE until it is able to find the methods and method signatures of CFCs
that I inject into my handlers via autowire DI. If you could do that,
well, then you might start justifying a price tag on the level of
Visual Studio.

Cheers,
Judah

On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 2:44 PM, Adrocknaphobia
adrocknapho...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks for the input Wil. I agree with you on 1, 2 and 5. These were all
 features that we researched and discussed throughout the development of
 Bolt. Unfortunately, other features were rated a higher priority so we had
 to push these into Storm (CB2).

 We knew from the beginning that there would be no way we could cover every
 feature from CFEclipse, Dreamweaver and HomeSite/Studio in our initial
 release. In fact, that's why we began planning for CB2 and CB3 months ago.
 Glad to hear that we're headed in the right direction.

 As far as performance goes, it's something we are tracking very closely. I
 can say that each subsequent build gets faster and faster. In between
 releases we'll be refactoring a large part of the editor in an attempt
 to dramatically boost performance.

 As far as extensions that don't require a CF server... do you do much
 ColdFusion development without a ColdFusion server? Either way, CB is based
 on Eclipse, so you can write plugins in Java that don't require CF at all.

 -Adam

 On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 5:18 PM, Wil Genovese jugg...@visi.com wrote:


 Adam,

 1. Mylyn Integration.Yes it's that important

 http://cfbugs.adobe.com/bugreport/flexbugui/cfbugtracker/main.html#bugId=77480

 2. Proper code folding - See cfeclipse or even Homesite to know what I
 mean.
 (here's a few items)

 http://cfbugs.adobe.com/bugreport/flexbugui/cfbugtracker/main.html#bugId=78902

 http://cfbugs.adobe.com/bugreport/flexbugui/cfbugtracker/main.html#bugId=77374

 3. Extensions that DON'T require a CF server to be attached - Homesite had
 this.

 4. SPEED - so far she's a bit sluggish captian an I'm given'r all she's
 got.

 5. And look at my feature requests here

 http://cfbugs.adobe.com/bugreport/flexbugui/cfbugtracker/main.html#bugId=77440

 I use CFBuilder all day everyday.  Overall not to bad.  There are a fair
 number of reports about CFB being slow in certain tasks.  And I experience
 this.  It is also painfully slow with SVN integration; SubClipse or
 Subversive.  However, it is faster on my MacBook Pro than my Win XP Pro
 work
 computer.  And this is not perceived time, but actual measured time and
 really only in VERY VERY large CF applications.  I'm not sure if this is
 purely the SVN client at issue or if it is the integration of the SVN
 client
 and CFB.  Heck it could even be the crappy Windows file system as compared
 to the OS X file system.  BY large SVN Repo I mean 58,000+ files in 17,000+
 folders and somewhere around 400+Mb.  Yes, our app is that big.

 At this point - I'd pay maybe $99 tops for CFB.

 Thanks,

 Wil Genovese




 

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Re: IDE for coldfusion 9

[Adrocknaphobia]

ColdFusion Builder supports CF 7, 8 and 9 out of the box. ColdFusion 9 is
definitely not required.

-Adam

On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 5:57 PM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.com wrote:


 I think that there is also a difference between requires a CF server
 and requires Adobe Coldfusion 9. I appreciate some of the
 integration with CF9. However, I also still do work on CF8 and an
 increasing amount on Railo.  Railo adoption seems to be on the uptick
 and that is something to consider. CFEclipse does not have the same
 integration features that CFBuilder does for CF9. On the other hand,
 CFEclipse works exactly the same way regardless of which CFML engine I
 am using.  I suppose that I could use CFBuilder for CF9 and CFEclipse
 for CF8 and Railo, but that seems rather messy to me.

 And neither CFBuilder nor CFEclipse will really make me happy as an
 IDE until it is able to find the methods and method signatures of CFCs
 that I inject into my handlers via autowire DI. If you could do that,
 well, then you might start justifying a price tag on the level of
 Visual Studio.

 Cheers,
 Judah

 On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 2:44 PM, Adrocknaphobia
 adrocknapho...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Thanks for the input Wil. I agree with you on 1, 2 and 5. These were all
  features that we researched and discussed throughout the development of
  Bolt. Unfortunately, other features were rated a higher priority so we
 had
  to push these into Storm (CB2).
 
  We knew from the beginning that there would be no way we could cover
 every
  feature from CFEclipse, Dreamweaver and HomeSite/Studio in our initial
  release. In fact, that's why we began planning for CB2 and CB3 months
 ago.
  Glad to hear that we're headed in the right direction.
 
  As far as performance goes, it's something we are tracking very closely.
 I
  can say that each subsequent build gets faster and faster. In between
  releases we'll be refactoring a large part of the editor in an attempt
  to dramatically boost performance.
 
  As far as extensions that don't require a CF server... do you do much
  ColdFusion development without a ColdFusion server? Either way, CB is
 based
  on Eclipse, so you can write plugins in Java that don't require CF at
 all.
 
  -Adam
 
  On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 5:18 PM, Wil Genovese jugg...@visi.com wrote:
 
 
  Adam,
 
  1. Mylyn Integration.Yes it's that important
 
 
 http://cfbugs.adobe.com/bugreport/flexbugui/cfbugtracker/main.html#bugId=77480
 
  2. Proper code folding - See cfeclipse or even Homesite to know what I
  mean.
  (here's a few items)
 
 
 http://cfbugs.adobe.com/bugreport/flexbugui/cfbugtracker/main.html#bugId=78902
 
 
 http://cfbugs.adobe.com/bugreport/flexbugui/cfbugtracker/main.html#bugId=77374
 
  3. Extensions that DON'T require a CF server to be attached - Homesite
 had
  this.
 
  4. SPEED - so far she's a bit sluggish captian an I'm given'r all she's
  got.
 
  5. And look at my feature requests here
 
 
 http://cfbugs.adobe.com/bugreport/flexbugui/cfbugtracker/main.html#bugId=77440
 
  I use CFBuilder all day everyday.  Overall not to bad.  There are a fair
  number of reports about CFB being slow in certain tasks.  And I
 experience
  this.  It is also painfully slow with SVN integration; SubClipse or
  Subversive.  However, it is faster on my MacBook Pro than my Win XP Pro
  work
  computer.  And this is not perceived time, but actual measured time and
  really only in VERY VERY large CF applications.  I'm not sure if this is
  purely the SVN client at issue or if it is the integration of the SVN
  client
  and CFB.  Heck it could even be the crappy Windows file system as
 compared
  to the OS X file system.  BY large SVN Repo I mean 58,000+ files in
 17,000+
  folders and somewhere around 400+Mb.  Yes, our app is that big.
 
  At this point - I'd pay maybe $99 tops for CFB.
 
  Thanks,
 
  Wil Genovese
 
 
 
 
 

 

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Re: IDE for coldfusion 9

[Scott Brady]

Well, the new preview version fixed the tab issue, but I still don't
have have tag insight.

I'll check out the list.

Thanks!

Scott


On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 3:56 PM, denstar valliants...@gmail.com wrote:

 1)  I no longer have tag insight (i.e., when I start to type cfloop
 , I no longer get a list of possible attributes). I've checked every
 setting I can find, and can't figure out why.
 2) Now, when I paste in a line of code (a complete line), CFEclipse
 adds a minimum of 2 tabs to the beginning of that line that weren't
 there before.

 Both of those are incredibly frustrating.

 Ja.  Both have been fixed (theoretically) in the latest preview release:

 http://cfeclipse.org/update-preview




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Re: IDE for coldfusion 9

[Roger Austin]

Adrocknaphobia wrote:
 Brandon,
 
 What would you consider an arm and a leg?
 
 We originally started work on ColdFusion Builder as a feature of ColdFusion
 9. In fact it was a the highest requested feature for CF9 despite the
 existence of CFEclipse, Dreamweaver and HomeSite. But as our vision for a
 comprehensive ColdFusion IDE grew, it made more sense to turn it into it's
 own product. What I mean to say is that we built this for the community, not
 to supplement ColdFusion revenue. Adobe isn't looking for a pay day on CB so
 you shouldn't expect to have to part with your appendages. :-)
 
 -Adam
 
 
 
 On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Brandon brandonregis...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I tried CFBuilder for several months and finally got fed up with glitchy
 code-folding.  Plus, I don't want to get too used to a tool that's going to
 end up costing an arm and a leg.  Eclipse + plugins seems to handle
 everything I need, without beta-testing bugs.

Adam, I think the main issue for many is that CFBuilder ORM capabilities
are the real selling point over CFEclipse. Once people migrate to CF9,
there will be a real reason to buy it. At this point, most of us are
stuck with CF8 or less so CFB that much better than the alternative.

  I am using CFB beta 3 and it isn't ready for prime time yet. I hope
Adobe engineers are hard at work updating b3 into b4 and are not going
to rush the boxed version out the door yet. I sure hope that those
engineers weren't on a RIF list.

  I want Adobe to make money so they can keep employees on the payroll
and support us developers with documentation and training. My hope is
that they will have a beta 4 that will fix the significant issues with
beta 3. I think that $150 to 200 for CFB would be a fair price if it
relieves me of having to reinstall CFEclipse and mess with a bunch of
plug-ins, etc. If the funds would go to an active development team, I
would be very happy. You probably would be too.

  Right now, I consider a price of $250 like Flex Builder to be too much
for most people outside of high end companies. I did put it in my budget
for 2010, but that was before I used it extensively.

  Thanks, Roger

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Line debugging question

[Susan Gallegos]

When I use the default port (5505 I think) for line debugging, I cannot restart 
the CF service. I used netstat -a and it was not on the list. Now what do I do 
- do I have to reinstall CF?

Susan Gallegos 

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Re: Rampant fraud attempts from my site - Can I limit Number of Emails/Hour?

[Maureen]

Legitimate buyers won't object to logging in.  Allowing your site to
be used to send email without any screening of the sender is an
invitation to disaster.

On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Rick King kingrick...@hotmail.com wrote:

 No, currently you do not need to sign in to send an email to a seller, you 
 only need to sign in to list your item. I was thinking it might discourage 
 legitimate buyers from contacting sellers. Another idea to consider though...


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RE: IDE for coldfusion 9

[Eric Roberts]

I find the error checker slows it down big time...

Eric

-Original Message-
From: Wil Genovese [mailto:jugg...@visi.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 4:18 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: IDE for coldfusion 9


Adam,

1. Mylyn Integration.Yes it's that important
http://cfbugs.adobe.com/bugreport/flexbugui/cfbugtracker/main.html#bugId=774
80

2. Proper code folding - See cfeclipse or even Homesite to know what I mean.
(here's a few items)
http://cfbugs.adobe.com/bugreport/flexbugui/cfbugtracker/main.html#bugId=789
02
http://cfbugs.adobe.com/bugreport/flexbugui/cfbugtracker/main.html#bugId=773
74

3. Extensions that DON'T require a CF server to be attached - Homesite had
this.

4. SPEED - so far she's a bit sluggish captian an I'm given'r all she's got.

5. And look at my feature requests here
http://cfbugs.adobe.com/bugreport/flexbugui/cfbugtracker/main.html#bugId=774
40

I use CFBuilder all day everyday.  Overall not to bad.  There are a fair
number of reports about CFB being slow in certain tasks.  And I experience
this.  It is also painfully slow with SVN integration; SubClipse or
Subversive.  However, it is faster on my MacBook Pro than my Win XP Pro work
computer.  And this is not perceived time, but actual measured time and
really only in VERY VERY large CF applications.  I'm not sure if this is
purely the SVN client at issue or if it is the integration of the SVN client
and CFB.  Heck it could even be the crappy Windows file system as compared
to the OS X file system.  BY large SVN Repo I mean 58,000+ files in 17,000+
folders and somewhere around 400+Mb.  Yes, our app is that big.

At this point - I'd pay maybe $99 tops for CFB.

Thanks,

Wil Genovese




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Re: Line debugging question

[Dave Watts]

 When I use the default port (5505 I think) for line debugging, I cannot 
 restart the CF service. I used netstat -a and it was not on
 the list. Now what do I do - do I have to reinstall CF?

In the worst case, you could remove the bit from jvm.config that
enables debugging. Alternatively, you could try running CF as an
application, and see where it breaks down during startup.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
http://training.figleaf.com/

Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on
GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized
instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite.

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Re: Line debugging question

[Tony Bentley]

I can't believe they made this possible

Anyways, here is the fix:

http://www.oscararevalo.com/index.cfm/2007/10/21/Changin-CF8-Debugger-Port 

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Possible switch to CFEclipse

[Terry Troxel]

I do not want to start a flame here, just get some information to help me
make a decision.
I am using CF8 and not yet ready for CF9. I am currently using Homesite+ for
my IDE and would like to know what the requirements are for installing
Eclipse and CFEclipse on my 32 bit dual core laptop w/3 gigs of ram.
I do not know anyone who is currently using it which is why I am asking
here. I do not do any Java programming at all and am planning on using it to
replace Homesite if that is possible and maybe get some advise from all of
you.
If you recommend Eclipse, which package and other plugins do I need as well?

Terry



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Re: Possible switch to CFEclipse

[Mark Mandel]

Well, the question here is more - what do you do outside of cfml editing?

I tend to download the Eclipse Java EE developer package that has the
Eclipse Web Tool Plugins (WTP) installed by default - so that covers some
straight HTML, XML and JS files. Some people prefer Aptana studio for that,
but they can work side by side easily.

If you are looking at doing database querying through Eclipse, you can look
at the Eclipe Data Tools Plugins (DTP). This can be a little tricky to set
up, and provides decent database support, but a vendor specific client tends
to be better - YMMV.

The next question is - are you using source control? If so, which one? Each
has at least 1 plugin at its disposal depending on what you are doing.

Are you doing unit testing? The mxUnit plugin is a must if you are.

I could go on, but really it boils down to - what do you want Eclipse to do
for you?

Mark

On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 1:23 PM, Terry Troxel te...@it-werks.com wrote:


 I do not want to start a flame here, just get some information to help me
 make a decision.
 I am using CF8 and not yet ready for CF9. I am currently using Homesite+
 for
 my IDE and would like to know what the requirements are for installing
 Eclipse and CFEclipse on my 32 bit dual core laptop w/3 gigs of ram.
 I do not know anyone who is currently using it which is why I am asking
 here. I do not do any Java programming at all and am planning on using it
 to
 replace Homesite if that is possible and maybe get some advise from all of
 you.
 If you recommend Eclipse, which package and other plugins do I need as
 well?

 Terry



 

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RE: Possible switch to CFEclipse

[Andy Matthews]

I think you'll find that the majority oif public CF developers use
CFEclipse, or CFBuilder.

It's robust (if a bit of a memory hog), it's extensible (if a little
overwhelming sometimes), and it's highly configurable (if a little
confusing).

It took me a few years to really feel comfortable with it, but now it would
be hard to imagine using anything other than an Eclipse based IDE.


andy

-Original Message-
From: Terry Troxel [mailto:te...@it-werks.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 8:24 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Possible switch to CFEclipse


I do not want to start a flame here, just get some information to help me
make a decision.
I am using CF8 and not yet ready for CF9. I am currently using Homesite+ for
my IDE and would like to know what the requirements are for installing
Eclipse and CFEclipse on my 32 bit dual core laptop w/3 gigs of ram.
I do not know anyone who is currently using it which is why I am asking
here. I do not do any Java programming at all and am planning on using it to
replace Homesite if that is possible and maybe get some advise from all of
you.
If you recommend Eclipse, which package and other plugins do I need as well?

Terry





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