RE: Flex is out
Has anyone looked at the example application page? There are a bunch of broken links, and presentations instead of working applications. http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/flex/example_apps.html# M -Original Message- From: Thomas Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 10:52 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Flex is out On Monday 29 Mar 2004 16:21 pm, Tyler Silcox wrote: And it's incredibly awesome, but way too expensive for now... Flex presentation server pricing starts at $12,000 for two CPUs This compares to about a tenth of that for CFMX. I don't think I should post my inital reaction - a bit 'unclean'. I've no doubt that Flex is great (having done the beta) but that is so much money I think it will be beyond the reach of just about everyone, which is a shame because it's a fantastic thing they've done. -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer Tel: +44(0)1749 834997 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] BlueFinger Limited Underwood Business Park Wookey Hole Road, WELLS. BA5 1AF Tel: +44 (0)1749 834900 Fax: +44 (0)1749 834901 web: www.bluefinger.com Company Reg No: 4209395 Registered Office: 2 Temple Back East, Temple Quay, BRISTOL. BS1 6EG. *** This E-mail contains confidential information for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. You should not use, disclose, distribute or copy this communication if received in error. No binding contract will result from this e-mail until such time as a written document is signed on behalf of the company. BlueFinger Limited cannot accept responsibility for the completeness or accuracy of this message as it has been transmitted over public networks.*** [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Last Chance Spectra Training
This is almost a sad event. I remember how impressed I was with Spectra after it was released, my thoughts were that it would quickly replace Vignette Storyserver. Does anyone know why Spectra never caught on? M -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 8:39 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: FW: Last Chance Spectra Training I don't know if anyone's interested in this - it's the end of an era ... Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ phone: 202-797-5496 fax: 202-797-5444 -Original Message- From: Steve Drucker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 24 March 2004 18:19 To: Spectra-Talk Subject: Last Chance Spectra Training I'm teaching what is almost certainly to be the final instructor-led Macromedia Spectra development course in Atlanta, GA on April 19th-23rd. We've already got several people signed up, so the course will definitely be running.We're using the official Macromedia Spectra coursebook, which I helped author. You can get more information here: http://training.figleaf.com/figleaftraining/Courses/Spectra-for-Develope rs.c fm http://training.figleaf.com/figleaftraining/Courses/Spectra-for-Develop ers. cfm Regards, Steve Drucker CEO Fig Leaf Software www.figleaf.com 1-877-FIG-LEAF [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
OT: International Payment Processing
A client of mine is looking to set up an ecommerce site that accepts orders from outside the United States. More specifically, he has a large number of clients in places like Malaysia, Singapore, Hong Kong, etc. and is trying to avoid the large fees and wait times that go along with using cashiers checks. I have built numerous ecommerce sites for U.S. and Canadian consumers, but have never set up a site aimed at international offices and would like to know what kinds of issues we are going to run into. We are planning on using Verisign for the payment processing and will be offering users the ability to pay with credit cards but not checks or debit cards. Outside the technology, I am concerned about things like taxes, tariffs, actually collecting address information, etc. - all of his orders will be for amounts in excess of $1000. Any advice would be appreciated. M [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
OT: Web Service to Validate US Address
I'm wondering if anyone here knows about a Web service capable of verifying the existance of a U.S. address. I'm not looking for something that checks whether the address is properly formatted, but instead something that verifies whether or not the address actually exists. M [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Web Service to Validate US Address
I'm working from the standpoint that the Web service will be invoked after validation of the address against United States Postal Service's addressing standards. The most current version of these standards is available at http://pe.usps.gov/text/pub28/PUB28C3.html. It would not be too difficult to develop a system that validates against the rules outlined here. In this case, I need a system that simply verifies whether or not an address exists after it has been entered. M -Original Message- From: Burns, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 3:17 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Web Service to Validate US Address Just a thought, but if there is something out there, would it be possible to check the existence of the address if it's not formatted correctly?I don't know of anything like this but would be happy to hear if someone else knew. John Burns [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RDS Hanging on Linux
For whatever reason, RDS decided to stop working this morning on one of my CF5 servers. It's a Red Hat 7 box with ColdFusion 5, and I am unable to restore service despite my best efforts. Every time I try to run ./cfrdsservice, nothing happens the service just hangs. The RDS log itself is completely empty, and I am really at a loss for what could be causing the problem. The server has run without a problem for the last 6 months. Anyways, I tried restarting the server, starting the service from the command like, looking for it as a running process, but nothing is working. Somebody please tell me what could cause such a problem and how I could go about troubleshooting it. Thanks, M [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Flash remoting/web services formatting
Use an HTML text field in Flash for displaying the data and stick with regular HTML entities to control the display. If you need a solution that is more granularized, Flash form fields support multiple text styles. Use indicators in the text you pass to Flash for where to begin/end each text style. Jesse Warden's blog has a number of good examples of how to do the latter. Google for his site. M -Original Message- From: Burns, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 12:53 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: SOT: Flash remoting/web services formatting In Flash, I'm trying to grab some data from the server (remoting or web services) and pull that into flash.However, I want the data to be formatted a certain way.I preferrably want you use special fonts and stuff in Flash, but I'm not sure how to pass the data to Flash in order for that to happen.For example: I have a CFC that returns news article headlines and dates with a small subheadline.I want it to appear as such: [Bold and blue and special font] 02.18.04 - This is the newest news article [smaller black arial] This is the first sentence in the article and blah, blah, blah. In a CF page, I'd use styles and return this data as 3 columns (date, headline, subheadline) but I'm not sure if I can do the same thing in flash and use styles of some sort or if I need to return the text preformatted with basic html font tags or what.I know this is kind of a flash question, but since it's more related to how I need to return the data from the CFC (and I'm assuming there's a way to keep the display layer separate from the data) I was hoping someone would have gone through this and could provide some help.Thanks! John Burns [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: (Admin) Enough weekend fun
I agree. When Angus McFee comes out of the woodwork, that is generally a signal that it is time to stop a particular discussion. M -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 10:36 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: (Admin) Enough weekend fun Over the weekend the list rules about technical debates tend to be looser (re: the latest MM Mach-II thread). As it is no longer the weekend, lets please end this thread and move on to technical questions and answers. Thank you [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: OT: cf Eclipse plugin
The only person I know of who built a plug in for CF in Eclipse is Matt Liotta. I seem to remember him mentioning it is incomplete. I developed one as well, which is very incomplete. It supports CF5 and that's about it. Anyone here ever use a Scintilla-based IDE for CF development? I would be interested to see whether or not anyone has developed a lexer for that tool. M -Original Message- From: Rob Rohan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 3:31 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: OT: cf Eclipse plugin I am going to assume by the silence (and the stuff I found on google) no one wants to / can't say. (I didn't know MM helped make Eclipse - good job) On Thu, 2004-01-22 at 12:00, Rob Rohan wrote: I saw that the MM guys were using Eclipse for their new ?XML flash language thingy. Does anyone know of a normal Cold Fusion Eclipse plug-in (free or not)? -- Vale, Rob Luxuria immodica insaniam creat. Sanam formam viatae conservate! http://www.rohanclan.com http://treebeard.sourceforge.net http://ashpool.sourceforge.net [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
CFMCentral
Is CFMCentral still around? http://www.cfmcentral.com/ I went to the site today and it was down. M [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Section 508
There are a number of new developers where I work who have no clue as to what Section 508 is or what they need to be compliant. I have been spending time with each one individually, giving them examples, providing links, etc. but the message does not seem to be getting through. There was a link on this list about 2 years ago to a site that broke 508 down article by article, specifically in relation to the impact on Web developers. I've been through the archives but cannot seem to find it. Does anyone remember it and still have the link? Otherwise, does anyone have any good resources for learning 508? M [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Password Encryption
This may seem trivial: We have a site with about 300,000 user accounts and are becoming concerned about security and the possibility of account getting highjacked. One item on my checklist is to replace clear text passwords in the database with encoded ones. My thoughts were to create a hash of each user's password in CF and comparing logins against that. First off, I don't really know a lot about what CF does in terms of producing a hash, which means I am not clear on whether or not this is the best route to take. I would like to know if there are any best practices around password encryption for user accounts stored in a database. Thanks, M [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: MACR Stock price?
#1 - I am certain this thread is off topic. I don't need my .5 MB POP freemail account getting overrun by useless grousing and carrying on. It's bad enough I have to put up with the pro-Fusebox threads, those zealots. I am sick of having to wait 6 hours to download all my mail over my 14.4 K connection, so cut it out you meanies. #2 - The stock price is up because I have been seeding investment mailing lists with false rumors about MM preparing for a major IP lawsuit against companies using Linux with the Gimp installed. I alledge the Gimp uses a series of headers in the Linux kernel directly ripped from Videoworks in the early 90's, and that MM is entitled to licensing fees of up to $30,000 per use of infringing code. If you look on Motley Fool, the conversation I have been having with myself under 5 different identities is that this 'big lawsuit' is a major risk for investors, but the potential for returns is in the millions per share. Look for that stock price to hit $280 soon. M -Original Message- From: Gabriel Robichaud [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue 12/30/2003 11:17 AM To: CF-Talk Cc: Subject: RE: MACR Stock price? Maybe its just the January effect.Historically, the market goes up a bit in january every year while Financial Planners and people do last minute investing before tax returns. or, maybe I dont know what im talkign about, just repeating what I heard on CNN -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 11:11 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: MACR Stock price? At latest sale the MACR stock was at $18.40 -- up 2.24% today. I bought some MACR shares 5 days ago for $17.94 -- and am quite happy. I expected the price to increase gradually to the $22 range. Any ideas why the stock is going up so rapidly? (Other than the excellent company and superior products) TIA Dick _ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: MACR Stock price?
Oooo... low blow Mr. Heald. I will have to remember that one. M -Original Message- From: Heald, Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue 12/30/2003 12:48 PM To: CF-Talk Cc: Subject: RE: MACR Stock price? He must work in the education sector. We al know those pikers don't make any money :) -- Tim The opinions expressed here do not necessarily reflect those of the U.S. Department of State or any affiliated organization(s).Nor have these opinions been approved or sanctioned by these organizations. This e-mail is unclassified based on the definitions in E.O. 12958. -Original Message- From: Adam Wayne Lehman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 11:59 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: MACR Stock price? #1 Maybe you are right, but considering how low the volume of mail on this list is over the holidays you are just being rude. #2 If you feel so strongly about #1 then why even add your #2 theory? #3 Whose fault is it that you have a 14.4k download? To cheap to spring for a decent modem? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Haggerty, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 11:39 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: MACR Stock price? #1 - I am certain this thread is off topic. I don't need my .5 MB POP freemail account getting overrun by useless grousing and carrying on. It's bad enough I have to put up with the pro-Fusebox threads, those zealots. I am sick of having to wait 6 hours to download all my mail over my 14.4 K connection, so cut it out you meanies. #2 - The stock price is up because I have been seeding investment mailing lists with false rumors about MM preparing for a major IP lawsuit against companies using Linux with the Gimp installed. I alledge the Gimp uses a series of headers in the Linux kernel directly ripped from Videoworks in the early 90's, and that MM is entitled to licensing fees of up to $30,000 per use of infringing code. If you look on Motley Fool, the conversation I have been having with myself under 5 different identities is that this 'big lawsuit' is a major risk for investors, but the potential for returns is in the millions per share. Look for that stock price to hit $280 soon. M -Original Message- From: Gabriel Robichaud [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue 12/30/2003 11:17 AM To: CF-Talk Cc: Subject: RE: MACR Stock price? Maybe its just the January effect.Historically, the market goes up a bit in january every year while Financial Planners and people do last minute investing before tax returns. or, maybe I dont know what im talkign about, just repeating what I heard on CNN -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 11:11 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: MACR Stock price? At latest sale the MACR stock was at $18.40 -- up 2.24% today. I bought some MACR shares 5 days ago for $17.94 -- and am quite happy. I expected the price to increase gradually to the $22 range. Any ideas why the stock is going up so rapidly? (Other than the excellent company and superior products) TIA Dick _ _ _ _ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Joining the dark side - using DWMX
If you want to talk about alternatives, build you own CF Scintilla editor and use that. It has code highlighting and code completion, and can be customized to mimic the CF5 environment to just about whatever level you choose. You can also do code highlighting in just about any language you choose - for instance, I have it compiled with CF, PHP, C++, java, and Actionsctipt. Or look at Eclipse. I know several people have already built CF modules (lexers?) for this project and seen good results. M -Original Message- From: Clint Tredway [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 9:45 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Joining the dark side - using DWMX Go buy PrimalScript for $169 and use an editor that beats DWMX and HS+/CF Studio(in my opinion because PrimalScript is more stable) and be happier and spend less money. also, since I coe in multiple languages PrimalScript fits me better than DW or HS+/CF Studio. Clint Tredway www.digital12studios.com [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
MySQL Question
I have a simple question regarding LIKE clauses in MySQL. I have a table that contains a comma-delimited list of zip codes. I have another table that contains addresses. I would like to pull all the records from the second table where the zip code is contained in the zip code field of the first table. The following query is not getting me any results, notice the LIKE clause: SELECT event_id, title, city, state, zip, event_date FROM Event ev, ref_mma rm WHERE rm.area_id = 7 AND ev.zip LIKE rm.zips AND active_ind = 1 AND private_ind = 0 In SQL Server or Oracle, this would be a simple IN clause, but things don't work that way with MySQL. Help? M [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: load testing tools/services?
Try jUnit, available from http://www.junit.org/index.htm. Very flexible testing package that comes for free. I use it for all my applications. M -Original Message- From: Kelly Tetterton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 4:47 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: load testing tools/services? What do people use for load testing? Ideally, we'd like to find a service that we could point to a pre-production version of a website, create several scripted scenarios, and test under various conditions. All for a low, low price, of course. Any recommendations? Kelly Tetterton duo | Technical Lead One Web Company. Twice the Results. 312.224.9650 | main 312.224.9648 | direct 312.224.9651 | fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.duodesign.com duoDesign is a Web development and marketing firm that combines expertise in design, technology and online promotion to help businesses and organizations use the Internet marketing channel to greatest advantage. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
CFMX and Fedora
I'm having some trouble with a CF MX on Fedora Core 1 installation, and I wondering if anyone can help. What happened is this: I removed the default Apache installation put there by Fedora, and installed Apache 2.0.48 instead. Then I installed the latest version of ColdFusion MX from MM's site. CF worked fine until I restarted the server, and now it just hangs. When I comment out the JRun connector parts of httpd.conf and restart Apache, it goes back to working (without CF). Anyone? M [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: CFMX and Fedora
Apache is not giving me any error messages at all when I include the JRun connector stuff. The only thing that happens is it has a lot of trouble shutting down, and it looks like it is segfaulting all over the place. There will be about 15 process threads that take about five minutes to shut down. M -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 4:53 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFMX and Fedora CF worked fine until I restarted the server, and now it just hangs. When I comment out the JRun connector parts of httpd.conf and restart Apache, it goes back to working (without CF). What happens when you try to restart Apache with the JRun connector stuff still in httpd.conf? Usually, Apache provides useful error messages for these sorts of things. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: JJ Allaire?
Jeremiah Jonah. He was named after a famous newspaper editor. M -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 6:01 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: JJ Allaire? Does anyone know what JJ Allaire'es full name is (ie what is JJ short for). I saw it somewhere years ago but can't remember what it is. Also any ColdFusion trivia tidbits? Thanks! Peter Tilbrook Transitional Services - Enterprise eSolutions Centrelink (http://www.centrelink.gov.au) 2 Faulding Street Symonston ACT 2609 Tel: (02) 62115927 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: How to determine if a scheduled task is already running?
Um... perhaps I am missing something here, but the scheduler.log file lists the name of the task and the result of running it. Couldn't you either manually check to see if it is running, or else write some script that checks to see when it was last run? M -Original Message- From: Pete Ruckelshaus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 12:47 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: How to determine if a scheduled task is already running? Simple question (relatively).Is there a way to determine if a specific scheduled task is running?I'm using CFMX 6.1 on Win2K. Thanks Pete [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Attempts at banking fraud
The only question I have is how to resell under the Action Pack subscription. I am about to close a deal that would involve 3 Windows 2003 servers, SQL Server, and 40 copies of XP. Going through the materials, I still do not know who to call. M -Original Message- From: Doug White [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 9:50 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Attempts at banking fraud The US Action pack also requires you to be a partner, as I am.It is free. All that required was an exchange of email with the MS regional manager, and a telephone call. The main difference between the MS program and the MM reseller programs is that MM requires a substantial up front payment to become a reseller. I have been able to fully utilize the promotional materials and presentations accompanying the action pack from MS to assist in training customers, and it has really enhanced my sales of MS server products.You will receive enough CD-ROM based presentations to satisfy most any presentation need. Another benefit is being able to offer MS software through License Online, where your customer can purchase MS products, (as well as several other products) at attractive discounts, all very legitimate.You are also given access to their mass mail (spam?) marketing list to promote your own services as well as the availability of MS products through you. To me the most exciting new product from MS is actually two products, the first being a fully licensed copy of the new CRM product, which is awesome in itself, but even more exciting is the conferencing software included in the new Office product, that puts MM's Flashcom to shame. == Stop spam on your domain, use our gateway! For hosting solutions http://www.clickdoug.com Featuring Win2003 Enterprise, RedHat Linux, CFMX 6.1 and all databases. Suggested corporate Anti-virus policy: http://www.dshield.org/antivirus.pdf == If you are not satisfied with my service, my job isn't done! - Original Message - From: Mike Kear [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 8:00 AM Subject: RE: Attempts at banking fraud | In Australia the Microsoft Action Pack is available only to registered | partners.You cannot legally buy the US $299 deal and use it in Australia. | The Action pack is intended to allow the Microsoft Sales Partners to have | fully legit copies of all the latest software, in production environments | (but not web sites) running their businesses on the latest stuff, in order | to be fully conversant with it when they come to talk to potential | customers.It was a clever way to make it more worthwhile for partners to | get the software legitimately than the common practice prevailing before the | action pack was released - namely buy a copy for inventory or for customer | use and make dodgy copies before delivering to customers. | | | | It's a splendid idea I think, because suddenly, all those dealers, | resellers, recommenders had not only legal copies of the products they | normally sell, but the other things they wouldn't normally sell too. Enough | to run a small business on. (Larger businesses could afford to buy their own | copies of software, Microsoft reasons). | | | | I think this is a logic that could prove profitable for Macromedia too.I | develop web sites but every time a new version of software comes out, I have | to pay to buy full copies of everything(Unless I happen to fluke a freebie | at a CFUG meeting!!).If MM want us all to be selling and recommending | their products,what better way than to make sure we're all using the | latest versions of everything? They wouldn't have to do it for free, or | even near-free, as Microsoft has proved.But the MS Action Pack gives the | equivalent of the entire business product line for A$500 a year. | | | | How many of us were reluctant to update to MX2004 products because of the | expense, and the fact that we'd only recently bought MX?How are we all | supposed to talk confidently about MX2004 if we're only using MX ourselves? | | | | | My suggestion?Macromedia start having NFR software available to legit | dealers/resellers.At the moment (as I understand it) it's only available | to partners, who have to pay some thousands of bucks to be partners. Makes | it right out of the ballpark of us small shops. I'm only a one-man business. | I can't afford to pay thousands of dollars for anything, no matter how | desirable. Specially not if it's going to be out of date in a year, as | all software will. | | | | | | | | Cheers, | | Michael Kear | | Windsor, NSW, Australia | | AFP Webworks. | | | | | | | | | | | | | | -Original Message- | From: Pete Ruckelshaus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: Tuesday, 11 November 2003 12:27 AM | To: CF-Talk | Subject: Re: Attempts at banking fraud | | | | Actually, the Microsoft Action Pack Subscription is legit.For $299 you get | a whole boatload
RE: Arden Weiss - virus sending messages to the list?
I've been getting them as well. Since I never knew Arden, I never open his attachments. M -Original Message- From: Shawn Grover [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 12:09 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: Arden Weiss - virus sending messages to the list? Hi all.Don't know if I'm the only one, but I've been getting emails from an Arden Weiss.The messages seem to be CF related, and come with an attachment.The attachment is a .scr file.I myself have never had dealings with Arden Weiss (that I can remember), and know better to open .scr file attachements. Arden, if you are still monitoring the list, please run an antivirus scanner on your system. I've included a sample of the message below, without the attachement. Shawn Sample message = Will I see you at the CF meeting next Tuesday (the 10th) -- think I will go to this one -- they are off into the CF MX relm and here I am just starting with CF5 but I must at least be aware of what's going on there? Centervile house rehab is in slow-down mode for the res [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: M$ flash killer
Microsoft's decision to promote this technology is great because it shows real innovation and creative thinking. For what it is worth, I expect this product will fail to persuade developers to use it similar to the way Microsoft Music Producer and Microsoft Direct Animation did. But 'Sparkle' is such a better name than, say, 'Microsoft Vector Image Display' - it's nice to see the company making progress on naming their projects. M -Original Message- From: Samuel Neff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 3:14 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: M$ flash killer It'll be 7-10 years before you can consider using this for any real application.It requires the avalon sub-system which means we're talking 2006, and will only work for longhorne users, which means a very limited user base for a long time (how many people still use windows 98?). Also, a lot can change in that timeframe.OSX is growing in popularity so MS might not even have so much of a monopoly and cross-platform support could be even more of an issue--which would negate any possibility of using avalon-specific technologies. However, I could see something to render XAML in Flash or an XSLT to convert XAML to LZX or whatever Royale will use. My $0.02. Sam -- Blog:http://www.rewindlife.com Chart: http://www.blinex.com/products/charting -- [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: News Feed for NFL games
If Mike Dinowitz isn't here to remind us it's OT, it's not OT. Was anyone else blown away by the genius behind that safety last night? M -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 5:12 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: News Feed for NFL games Er, is this topic necessary fro CF-Talk? [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: News Feed for NFL games
Unless your excrement is in a burning bag and you knocked on my door then ran off and hid behind the bushes to watch, it isn't a prank. Just don't eat any corn before you come over. M -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 11:24 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: News Feed for NFL games If Mike Dinowitz isn't here to remind us it's OT, it's not OT. Ok then, by that logic, if Mike isn't at home to tell me not to take a dump on his doorstep, it's ok for me to do so. Thanks for the clarification! Mike, you might want to watch your step tonight, ok? Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: News Feed for NFL games
My guess is no such feed exists, but it is proprietary if it does. The NFL keeps tight control over distribution, and it will get tighter - they are planning to come out with their own station soon. M -Original Message- From: Thane Sherrington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 4:00 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: News Feed for NFL games Anyone know of a realtime news feed for NFL games? T Tired of your bookmarks/favourites being limited to one computer?Move them to the Net! www.stuffbythane.com/webfavourites makes it easy to keep all your favourites in one place and access them from any computer that's attached to the Internet. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: News Feed for NFL games
So now we have to pay to see NFL Films, which are just exteneded advertisements for NFL games? Wotta rip... M -Original Message- From: Dan Phillips (CFXHosting.com) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 4:23 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: News Feed for NFL games >From what I heard, it's free for a month or two, then it becomes a paid channel. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Deploying to Multiple Databases
Jim - Thanks for the feedback. As far as using a Web service is concerned, I am trying to write this for the lowest common denominator and want to avoid doing anything people might be unfamilar with or not be able to use. CFMX is still a little too new for some organizations I want to target with this app. What do you think about calling all queries within a custom tag that will determine the right statement based on the db type? In other words, I would break out all the conditional SQL into separate queries that would be called within a custom tag and passed back to the application. I am concerned this method might lead to too much overhead, because I don't really know how CF handles recordsets in this situation. Does CF create a duplicate recordset in the calling page, or does the calling page reference the one in the custom tag? (Details, details...) M -Original Message- From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 1:24 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Deploying to Multiple Databases Using CFCs I do this: I've got a DPDataSource CFC which has four proerties: DSNName, DBType, UserName and Password. The DBType is the important bit.For example, it may be MSSQLServer2000 and determines which codebase to use. Now, I place all of my data access methods into a broker CFC which is utilized by the base class (I just do this to keep the size of the CFCs down a little).Anyway my broker handles how to call the DB-specific files.For example here is the save method from one of my brokers: !--- Create/Update Artist --- cffunctionname=save hint=Saves Artist information to the database. returntype=void access=public output=No !--- Attempt to include the relevant implementation file based on the DataSource type file --- cftry cftransaction action=""> isolation=SERIALIZABLE cfinclude template=DB_#this.DPDataSource.getType()#\ArtistBroker_save.cfm /cftransaction !--- Catch Errors --- cfcatch type=MissingInclude cfset this.DPException.new(DPEvents.Artist.Broker.MissingImplementationFile, No ArtistBroker_save implementation file for DataSource type #this.DPDataSource.getType()# exists.) cfset this.DPException.throw() /cfcatch cfcatch type=Any cfrethrow cfset this.DPException.new(DPEvents.Artist.Broker, An error occured attempting to save the Artist., cfcatch) cfset this.DPException.throw() /cfcatch /cftry /cffunction Note that the method itself doesn't have any SQL in it - rather it uses the value in the DPDataSource component to include the proper file from a directory named after the value.So my directories may look like this: Cfcs - - DB_MSSQLServer2000 - - DB_MSSQLServer65 - - DB_MySQL And so forth.The include files are as complex as the DB needs (most often just simple statements) but may contain multiple actions.The application layer may expect back a query (or queries) and do more work after the try/catch block.In effect you specify what the include needs and what it will return. There many benefits to this (I think): 1) You can add a new database very easily: a new directory with that DBs code and a very simple change to the DataSource component created. 2) The same set of components can be used for ALL supported database simultaneously (by instantiated them with different datasource components).By leveraging the components this also opens up the ability to easily create conversion tools - instantiate one component on SQL Server and another on Oracle, trade the data between the CFCs, then save.No direct DB integration needed, but full conversion compatibility. 3) As long as you defined the needed output from the includes (query objects usually) you don't NEED a database.Your datatype could be XML for example and your includes could manage a bunch of XML files: as long as you generated the proper queries to return to the application from that XML.In other words the implementation doesn't assume SQL - but it might assume it's getting back queries. You could just create multiple brokers - but dynamic CFC names are impossible in some cases and just plain hard in all others - it's just not worth it (you really have to have several sets of brokers which you swap in and out). I'm not sure if any of that rambling made sense. ask if it didn't! Jim Davis -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 11:46 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Deploying to Multiple Databases I have a question about deploying an application into multiple environments, and am looking for any lessons learned from people who have done this. This is almost an aesthetics question. Essentially, there is this app I built that is intended to run using either MS-SQL or MySQL, and I want to come up with the best way to package the SQL statements. Other developers will probably want to work with the code someday, so I want to make sure the code is as easy to understand as possible. Right now I have a request variable in a
RE: Blue Dragon and Fusebox
Vince -
Thanks for the generous offer.
After spending some time on this issue Friday night (and well into
Saturday morning), I convinced my customer to stick with CF5 until BD
3.1 is in full release and we've had a chance to properly test the
application.
Here's something you may think is funny: This upgrade to BlueDragon was
precipitated by my customer receiving a bad tip. She was told by a
contractor that BlueDragon was the official upgrade version of
ColdFusion server, and this idea was validated by several technical
professionals she spoke with including the staff who run the co-location
facility she uses.
Assuming most people are honest, I think New Atlanta is spending too
much on marketing.
M
-Original Message-
From: Vince Bonfanti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 8:27 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Blue Dragon and Fusebox
Here's what I'd like to suggest: we're preparing a public beta of
BlueDragon
3.1 for release in about two weeks; the code is pretty much finished, so
let's get your application running on the latest 3.1 code. Then when 3.1
is
released you can just run on that. (There's not much point in debugging
problems on 3.0.2 with 3.1 so close to release).
First download the 3.1 preview release (you'll want the Server JX
edition,
since there's not a preview of the free edition):
ftp://ftp.newatlanta.com/public/bluedragon/3_1_preview/
Let me know when you've done that and then I'll send you the latest 3.1
JAR
files to upgrade your installation (we haven't built installers yet for
the
beta, otherwise I'd just send you that). I'll also take care of getting
you
a trial license key for testing.
How does that sound?
Vince Bonfanti
New Atlanta Communications, LLC
http://www.newatlanta.com
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 7:55 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re:Blue Dragon and Fusebox
Okay, we have made some progress on this BlueDragon issue.
When we try to call just the index.cfm without a fuseaction, the error
changes. The new error we are running into is listed below, and the code
causing the error is listed below that.
I could be wrong, but it appears BlueDragon does not treat the CF
application scope as a structure, at least not when it is in a CFLOCK.
Is anyone else copying the application scope to a request variable in
BlueDragon?
Anyways:
Error -
Request /web/index.cfm
File Trace C:/Program Files/New
Atlanta/BlueDragon_Server/wwwroot/web/index.cfm
|
+-- C:/Program Files/New
Atlanta/BlueDragon_Server/wwwroot/web/fbx_fusebox30_CF50.cfm
|
+-- C:/Program Files/New
Atlanta/BlueDragon_Server/wwwroot/web/fbx_Settings.cfm
Type Application
Message General Runtime Error
Tag Context CFPROCESSINGDIRECTIVE: Line=22; Column=7
|
+-- CFINCLUDE: Line=26; Column=1
|
+-- CFPROCESSINGDIRECTIVE: Line=1; Column=37
|
+-- CFTRY: Line=158; Column=1
|
+-- CFINCLUDE: Line=159; Column=2
|
+-- CFSILENT: Line=10; Column=1
|
+-- CFLOCK: Line=23; Column=1
|
+-- CFSCRIPT: Line=24; Column=2
Detail Could not duplicate this variable. Check the variable does not
contain references to complex types such as Java objects
Extended Info
Source 21:}
22: /cfscript
23: cflock scope=application timeout=20 type=READONLY
24:cfscript
25:if(isdefined(application)){
^ Snippet from underlying CFML source
- Code -
cfscript
if(isdefined(frm_logout_user)){
structdelete(session,'user');
request.deleted_userinfo = 1;
}
if(isdefined(session)){
structinsert(request, session, duplicate(session));
}
if(not isdefined(attributes.fuseaction)){
structinsert(attributes, fuseaction, home.main);
}
/cfscript
cflock scope=application timeout=20 type=READONLY
cfscript
if(isdefined(application)){
structinsert(request, application, duplicate(application));
}
/cfscript
/cflock
- End Error and Code -
M
Vince -
Thanks for the response.
I think the problem is more complicated than that, createObject() is
not
used anywhere in the code.
M
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Scope Locking (RE: Blue Dragon and Fusebox)
Matt - I wanted to confirm what you mean when you say 'the application scope is now automatically synchronized'. Does this mean locking the application scope is unnecessary in CFMX BD, even when setting values? Or am I just misunderstanding your comments. M -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 11:44 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Blue Dragon and Fusebox ... Now that issue I have seen before. First, you don't need to use such a technique with BlueDragon or even CFMX since the application scope is now automatically synchronized. ... Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.MontaraSoftware.com (888) 408-0900 x901 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Eolas patent suit
I guess I need to ask the question, how much are these Eolas patent changes going to affect email. What is going to happen in IE is a pop-up box will prompt users as to whether or not they want to see 'Active Content' in the browser, unless you use scripting. I haven't seen anything about this affecting HTML enabled email. 1) Is this really going to affect HTML email, or is this a browser specific issue? As I understand it, this patent is specific to using Web browsers to automatically load dynamic content through a plug-in, and has nothing to do with HTML email. It it possible Outlook et al will not be affected. 2) Is the pop-up box that intrusive? I realize it would be a pain to have to hit a button each time one receives a Flash email, but I can also imagine, and have seen, far worse. Either way, I think this problem can be dealt with and you will not be put out of business. Or you could possibly sue Eolas, I can't say why but people have made cases against companies for far less and been successful. In the worst case, you can switch your business model to deploying dynamic content using pure and pleasing ASCII art (which a large number of people actually prefer). I am preparing to release a custom tag expressly for the purpose of converting raster images into high-res ASCII, if you want in on the beta please let me know. -Original Message- From: Jeff Beer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 1:20 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Eolas patent suit Dave is correct - scripting is out for e-mail messages - way too many variables to test for and manage, assuming you can even test. We've developed a way to allow the code to 'gracefully degrade' from fully scripted embedding of the OBJECT tag, to showing a standard jpg image, that works on almost all platforms.But, if I can't get remote data, none of this matters any more. Matt is also right - there's no way we can embed the flash content in the e-mail.I can't send a 400k e-mail to 50k people.The users don't mind some load time as there is a lot of static info that goes with it. However, people would (literally?) kill me if it took 30+ seconds to download the message itself. Even using base64 for the URI values, it's still external data, and won't load.I don't currently see any way to do this, so I'm hoping that either MS gives in and buys a license, or, Eolas gets beat down in court, before the new browser versions come out.Either way is fine with me :) _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Blue Dragon and Fusebox
Does anyone know of any limitations using the FB3 core files on the standard edition of Blue Dragon server? A customer is moving from CF5 to BlueDragon and reporting the following problem with a Fusebox application: BlueDragon Runtime Error Request /index.cfm File Trace C:/Program Files/New Atlanta/BlueDragon_Server/wwwroot/Application.cfm | +-- C:/Program Files/New Atlanta/BlueDragon_Server/wwwroot/global_vars.cfm Type Application Message _Expression Error Tag Context CFINCLUDE: Line=24; Column=1 | +-- CFSCRIPT: Line=13; Column=1 Detail Function createobject does not exist Extended Info Source 10: ** 11:--- 12: 13: cfscript 14:request.app = structNew(); ^ Snippet from underlying CFML source M [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Blue Dragon and Fusebox
Matt; I wish I could provide more information, but this is really all I know right now. The person having the problem is a client of mine out in San Diego, and I have no access to the server. She's emailing me the error messages. We've been trying to troubleshoot this by calling individual pages, and it *looks* like BD is choking each time we try to call structNew(). Now, I am assured this is the latest version of BlueDragon, but I have to ask: was there ever a version that did not support structures? M -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 3:32 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Blue Dragon and Fusebox Does anyone know of any limitations using the FB3 core files on the standard edition of Blue Dragon server? A customer is moving from CF5 to BlueDragon and reporting the following problem with a Fusebox application: I am not aware of any specific limitation, but then again I don't use FB, so that isn't worth much. Can you provide some more information? The error seems to be in relation to the CreateObject function according to the details below, but I don't see CreateObject() is the short amount of source provided. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.MontaraSoftware.com (888) 408-0900 x901 _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Blue Dragon and Fusebox
Vince - Thanks for the response. I think the problem is more complicated than that, createObject() is not used anywhere in the code. M -Original Message- From: Vince Bonfanti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 4:41 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Blue Dragon and Fusebox It looks like you're using the free version of BlueDragon Server (right?), which doesn't support createObject(). You'll need to use BlueDragon Server JX ($549/server). We have several clients running applications on FB3 on both BlueDragon Server JX and BlueDragon/J2EE. Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: MySQL Heirarchies (fwd)
Yeah, ideally the solution would be one that allows the query (or proc, function, etc.) to sort the results according to the parent-child relationship at a variable number of levels. In SQL Server and Oracle, I can create a temporary table and loop around it for each row in the recordset. I assign a recordnumber and levelnumber to each row: the recordnumber is the vertical position of the record, and the levelnumber is the depth of the row in the results tree (like a child-of-child-of-child-of-parent relationship, levelnumber is a 3). For right now I am doing the sorting in CF. Sure would be nice if MySQL supported this kind of procedure, or if there was a join in any database that supported recursive joins in queries. Someone told me DB2 briefly had or was considering something called an ABOVE JOIN in the early 90's that did exactly this, where you could link a column in a table to itself for purposes of sorting heirarchical information. M -Original Message- From: Barney Boisvert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 12:55 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: MySQL Heirarchies (fwd) It needs to go an arbitrary number of levels, right now it's limited to a parent and a child level (because of the single JOIN).You can extend that algorithm by adding additional JOIN clauses, but that's not a solution, because it requires you to know how deep the maximum nesting is when you're writing the code, and that's usually not possible, unless the application has a hard limit on the number of levels (which typically is not the case). barneyb -Original Message- From: Ross, Jason [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 9:43 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: FW: MySQL Heirarchies (fwd) wouldn't this be pretty close? SELECT parents.id AS parent, children.id as child FROM parentChild parents INNER JOIN parentChild children ON children.par_id = parents.id; Need to add something in there for the NULL par_id's, but good enough to get the wheels turning maybe ... mysql select * from parentChild; +++---+ | id | par_id | comment| +++---+ |1 |NULL | blah blah | |2 |1 | blah blah | |3 |2 | blah blah | |4 |1 | blah blah | |5 |4 | blah blah | |6 |5 | blah blah | |7 |6 | blah blah | |8 |NULL | blah blah | |9 |8 | blah blah | | 10 |9 | blah blah | +++---+ mysql SELECT parents.id AS parent, children.id as child - FROM parentChild parents - INNER JOIN parentChild children - ON children.par_id = parents.id; ++---+ | parent | child | ++---+ |1 |2 | |2 |3 | |1 |4 | |4 |5 | |5 |6 | |6 |7 | |8 |9 | |9 | 10 | ++---+ 8 rows in set (0.00 sec) - Original Message - From: Haggerty, Mike To: CF-Talk Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 2:58 PM Subject: RE: MySQL Heirarchies Well, the best solution at that point does not involve a database, but I appreciate your thoughts. _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: MySQL Heirarchies
Barney - I suspect you are right, and that the real solution is to do the processing on the Web server side. The real problem is the lack of recursion in MySQL, and this issue is independent of stored procedures. It would be nice if it was possible to write a query, loop around it, and store intermediate results in a temporary table within the database. For the record, does anyone know if control structures such as this are being considered for future releases? M -Original Message- From: Barney Boisvert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 2:26 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: MySQL Heirarchies I don't think you'll be able to do it, because you can't use stored procedures with MySQL.You can use a temp table, if you want, though.Just run a CREATE TEMPORARY TABLE statement.However, I suspect that pulling the raw recordset back to CF and processing it there will be faster, because you're going to have to run a bunch of separate queries anyway, and doing QofQ on a recordset is almost exactly equivalent to using a temp table. barneyb -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 10:47 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: MySQL Heirarchies I am stumped on a MySQL query, it involves returning information sorted into a heirarchy. There's this table with the following fields: item_id, parent_id, and comment. Item_id is the unique identifier of each record, and each record can be a child of another. Parent_id reflects this relationship. I need to return a recordset sorted by parent_id, i.e.: item_one -- item_two item_three -- item_four item_five -- item_six item_seven item_eight -- item_nine item_ten etc... Help! I know how to do this in SQL Server and Oracle using temp tables, but am not finding the answer in MySQL. M _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: MySQL Heirarchies
Well, the best solution at that point does not involve a database, but I appreciate your thoughts. M -Original Message- From: Barney Boisvert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 2:41 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: MySQL Heirarchies MySQL 5.0 (in alpha) has stored proc support.check http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/Roadmap.html and it's sub-pages for some info. You can do that loop using CF, if that suits you: cfloop .. cfquery ... INSERT INTO temp_table ... SELECT /cfloop /cfloop -Original Message- From: Haggerty, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 11:34 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: MySQL Heirarchies Barney - I suspect you are right, and that the real solution is to do the processing on the Web server side. The real problem is the lack of recursion in MySQL, and this issue is independent of stored procedures. It would be nice if it was possible to write a query, loop around it, and store intermediate results in a temporary table within the database. For the record, does anyone know if control structures such as this are being considered for future releases? M -Original Message- From: Barney Boisvert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 2:26 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: MySQL Heirarchies I don't think you'll be able to do it, because you can't use stored procedures with MySQL.You can use a temp table, if you want, though.Just run a CREATE TEMPORARY TABLE statement.However, I suspect that pulling the raw recordset back to CF and processing it there will be faster, because you're going to have to run a bunch of separate queries anyway, and doing QofQ on a recordset is almost exactly equivalent to using a temp table. barneyb -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 10:47 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: MySQL Heirarchies I am stumped on a MySQL query, it involves returning information sorted into a heirarchy. There's this table with the following fields: item_id, parent_id, and comment. Item_id is the unique identifier of each record, and each record can be a child of another. Parent_id reflects this relationship. I need to return a recordset sorted by parent_id, i.e.: item_one -- item_two item_three -- item_four item_five -- item_six item_seven item_eight -- item_nine item_ten etc... Help! I know how to do this in SQL Server and Oracle using temp tables, but am not finding the answer in MySQL. M _ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Geocoding Web Service
Does anyone know of a Web service anyone that can return geocoded data in decimal degrees based on a U.S. street address? Thanks, M [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Checking for Returned Mail in CF
I need a good way to check for returned mail in CF. I have an application that manages a mailing list, and we are getting a massive amount of returned email. What I would like to do is have CF check the mail server for returned mail periodically and disable the accounts without valid email addresses. Does anyone do this already, or have any advice? M [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Checking for Returned Mail in CF
In this case, we have a lot of volunteers collecting people's email addresses and inputting them manually after events. There are a lot of misspellings and bad communication, thus the need to determine what is working and what is not. (To put this in perspective, the last mailing that was sent had a 25% return rate). This is the first time I've needed to think about problems like this, really I am just trying to come up with the best way to handle it. M -Original Message- From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 4:22 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Checking for Returned Mail in CF I do this with a windows-scheduled Java app that runs every 5 minutes. The main piece of advice I can give is to be sure before you disable someone. There are a lot of reasons for getting a returned email. You need to make sure that you know why an email was returned (the return type gives you some hints, but you can't rely on them to be correct - AOL is a notorious example of this) and therefore whether to disable that address or not. Jerry Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/09/03 04:09PM I need a good way to check for returned mail in CF. I have an application that manages a mailing list, and we are getting a massive amount of returned email. What I would like to do is have CF check the mail server for returned mail periodically and disable the accounts without valid email addresses. Does anyone do this already, or have any advice? M _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Bluedragon Licensing et al.
I am drafting the specs for a volunteer project and considering usingBlueDragon Server on RedHat. I want to make sure I am not misreadinganything: BlueDragon server, with the PostGres drivers, costs nothing interms of a license. Can anyone (maybe from New Atlanta) confirm this isaccurate? Also, does anyone have any information about the performance of theserver version on Linux? The site will need to be able to handle anaverage of 250 concurrent users and will be running on a dual processorserver (at least a Compaq Proliant 370 with dual 800 Mhz processors,which I think we already have donated). M [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Bluedragon Licensing et al.
Yves - Any idea where I could get more information about the restriction onmultiple processors? I poured over NA's Web site last night and found nodocumentation about this. M -Original Message- From: Yves Arsenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 9:23 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Bluedragon Licensing et al. The free version of BD server is free to use. In development or production/deployment. I have a copy of it (3.0.2) running on a Linux Mandrake serverfor a community project that we're building. So far I'm still in development. haven't really had muchtraffic. I'm using MySQL, seems to work very well. As for the dual processor, I don't think that the free versionsupports multiple CPUs... but I'm not sure about that. Some of the NewAtlanta people should probably answer that. Just a couple of cents worth Yves-Original Message- From: Haggerty, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: September 26, 2003 10:20 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Bluedragon Licensing et al. I am drafting the specs for a volunteer project andconsidering using BlueDragon Server on RedHat. I want to make sure I am notmisreading anything: BlueDragon server, with the PostGres drivers, costsnothing in terms of a license. Can anyone (maybe from New Atlanta)confirm this is accurate? Also, does anyone have any information about the performanceof the server version on Linux? The site will need to be able tohandle an average of 250 concurrent users and will be running on a dualprocessor server (at least a Compaq Proliant 370 with dual 800 Mhzprocessors, which I think we already have donated). M _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Bluedragon Licensing et al.
Alright, thanks Daniel, I appreciate the help. M -Original Message- From: Daniel Ganter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 9:54 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Bluedragon Licensing et al. Mike, The license is for a server, with no restrictions on the number of cpus. The definitive source for use of BlueDragon Server is the Software License Agreement (SLA). Regards, Dan Daniel Ganter New Atlanta Communications www.newatlanta.com [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: No so good news
I have some faith in M$'s ability to appeal things into oblivion. The Net needs to be free to work, and that applies to IE as well. This patent does seem overly broad in that other technologies use sub-programs, why should browsers be so special? What I wonder about is the impact on CF. What changes would CFMX have to make in order to avoid infringement? Would we have to click a button in order to get file dialogs to pop up, or what? M -Original Message- From: jon hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 3:43 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: No so good news This is the first time they have made public the workarounds they are discussing. That's what is new. Since they have already lost in court, and the judge has not ruled on a punishment yet, he could potentially order Microsoft to stop shipping all versions of IE that infringe on the patent within a month or so from now. If it's any longer than that, it wont be by much. Of course, the judge could do that, and then suspend his decision pending the appeals court decision as well. Bottom line is, Microsoft will have to change IE unless Eolas licenses their patent (not likely) to MS. We will have to change a bunch of web sites if the judge does not stay his ruling pending the appeal. At this point, it's all in the judges hands. Microsoft really can't delay much at this point...they already delayed this one for years. -- jon mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Friday, September 12, 2003, 3:20:24 PM, you wrote: BS Old news now...and it ain't over till the fat lady sings ;-) BS Just think about the GIF format case...of that guy in the UK BS claiming the patent on links...where are they now ;-) BS I'm waiting until there is something official...and if MS has it's BS way as usual...that could take years ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com
RE: .NET integration without COM
Matt - This sounds like an excellent product that would be quite useful. In fact, I am kind of surprised to be hearing about this so out-of-the-blue. Can you clarify what stage you are at with your beta, and when you think there might be a production release available? Also, while you have made it clear no pricing information has been announced, can you give us any indication of the range where it might fall? Thanks, M -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 1:04 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: .NET integration without COM Excellent. Is there going to be an evaluation version available? We are currently conducting a private beta where interested parties can evaluate the software. We have not decided whether there will be evaluation version available when Black Knight ships. Quite simply, the price point of Black Knight makes running a evaluation program questionable. We'll keep you informed as to our decision, but feel free to email me off list if you would like to participate in the private beta. And in case anyone is wondering, pricing for Black Knight has not been announced. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.MontaraSoftware.com (888) 408-0900 x901 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
RE: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us?
I happen to know of a fully funded agency with 2+ employees that is moving to exclusive use of CF for its Intranet applications. Would that be evidence? Also, you mentioned you use Eclipse with your CFML development. Do you have CFML code hinting for this product? M -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 3:36 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us? You mean aside from the licenses we just bought? Well, yes! The above doesn't speak to whether the government market share for CF is growing or not. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.MontaraSoftware.com (888) 408-0900 x901 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
RE: Okay, how could I accomplish this?
Probably the fastest way to do this, however, would be to create a clustered index that includes data about each result set. For instance, you could create a list that indexes both sets of results without having to create any new structures. Create a list to contain the values, then loop over each result set. Append the following data cluster to the list for each record: score|resut_set_name|index. Sort the list then output it using evaluate on the second and third attributes of the cluster. M -Original Message- From: Mike Mertsock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 11:03 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Okay, how could I accomplish this? Yeah, but here's the thing. The tables hold data that can be stuck into key, title, body columns, but the display of each column is different, so each collection will be displayed differently, thus the custom1 column in my cfsearch. I want to mix the results for display purposes, showing scores correctly ranked when mixed, but I want to display the results differently. My solution was to search each collection, place the results into a structure of some sort, including the custom1 column that will determine how to display the data on the details page, and sort them all by score so that output results are sorted by score yet their colum1 information will determine how the data is displayed on the following page. Make sense? So *can* you do that? stick each result set into some sort of data structure for each query returned, then sort that structure, ordering by score, then outputting the results? For instance, collection 1 returns the following: Score - Title (custom1) 97 - My New Title (1) 67 - A Second Title (1) 78 - The Fifth Title (1) And collection 2 returns the following: 86 - The Title of This Document is This (2) 76 - I'm Titling This Document Thusly (2) 23 - A Whimsical Title To Enjoy (2) Then my output is as follows: 97 - My New Title (1) 86 - The Title of This Document is This (2) 78 - The Fifth Title (1) 76 - I'm Titling This Document Thusly (2) 67 - A Second Title (1) 23 - A Whimsical Title To Enjoy (2) See? Then, when you clicked the link, you'd know *which* collection passed you the results...then you could display it appropriately, if it needs to be displayed differently (which mine does). Perhaps you could avoid trying to put the two queries into one structure... What you want to do is *exactly* like the merge portion of the merge sort algorithm - the problem is to take two already-sorted data structures and combine them into a single sorted structure. Merge sorts are known to be very fast, so perhaps an efficient solution would be to mimic the merge part of the merge sort algorithm. Here's the basic idea: list A = 1, 3, 4, 6 list B = 2, 3, 5, 7 merge into: 1 2 3 3 4 5 6 7 to merge the two lists: loop while A and B have elements remaining --compare the first elements of A and B --if B is less, append to final list --else, append A's first element instead end loop So to mimic this: Initialize two counters - counterA and counterB - to 1 -- you begin by looking at the first record from each query loop while both counters are LTE their respective recordcount --compare queryA.score[counterA] and queryB.score[counterB] --if the score from B is GT the score from A output info for B, iterate counterB --else output info for A, iterate counterA end loop One thing to remember - you can go through all the records of one query before the other query is finished so you need to test for that. Something like that. Data structures was my favorite class in college :-) Mike Mertsock Alfred University Web Team ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
RE: MS SQL Server vs. MySQL
Bryan - I am getting in a little late on all this, but there is a true enterprise class open source database you might want to take a look at called SAPDB. http://www.sapdb.org/ Supports stored procedures, triggers, transactions, views, etc. and it is blazingly fast. I have been using it for more than a year with no issues. We are moving things from Oracle over to SAP left and right. It is definitely not as popular as mysql, and I have heard a lot of people complain about the UI. Granted, the database could be a lot more user friendly, but I think it is no more / less confusing than Oracle on a linux box. M -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 4:28 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: MS SQL Server vs. MySQL OK..Clint...but what about all the Enterprise DB stuff that's missing...triggers/SPs/views and even simple sub-queries etc.?? From what I've been reading MySQL just isn't at the enterprise level yet...am I missing something? Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. t. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com - Original Message - From: Clint Tredway [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 11:09 AM Subject: Re: MS SQL Server vs. MySQL I will add my 2 cents.. In my tests, MySQL is faster than MSSQL. PHPMyAdmin is great from my view. It has a learning curve, but it keeps getting better and better. Clint - Original Message - From: Bryan Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 12:11 PM Subject: MS SQL Server vs. MySQL Hey All, I'm not all that familiar with MySQL, but from what I hear it's not as good as MS SQL Server (which I use along with Oracle). I've tried using MyPHPAdmin to administer MySQL before and all I can say is it sucked eggs...security was confusing as all hell. The MySQL.com website says that upcoming features for version 5 include: -views -stored procedures -triggers -sub-queries Now if it's missing all that then what is itAccess on steroids?? ;-) Opinions please TIA Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. t. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
RE: MS SQL Server vs. MySQL
Brian - Are you talking about a complete SAP solution or SAPDB? Because, either way, the quality of the solution depends entirely on the skills of the people implementing it. I suspect your issue is really with the people that put it together. My group has taken a number of our Oracle applications over to SAPDB and the database performs beautifully. Aside from having to change some SQL, we have run into no problems and found this to be a more effective solution than mySql or even postGres. M -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 1:40 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: MS SQL Server vs. MySQL Folks seem to be using SAP as a good referencewell I've seen one before and it was the biggest cluster f%^ I've ever seen. Personally saying MySQL is going to be somehow involved with SAP does not instill any confidence in MySQL ;-) Just my 2 cents ;-) Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. t. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com - Original Message - From: Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 10:11 AM Subject: RE: MS SQL Server vs. MySQL MySQL is taking over sapDB. they are rebranding it right now, and then will begin developing further versions. For more info, check out www.mysql.com. barneyb --- Barney Boisvert, Senior Development Engineer AudienceCentral [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice : 360.756.8080 x12 fax : 360.647.5351 www.audiencecentral.com -Original Message- From: Haggerty, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 8:32 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: MS SQL Server vs. MySQL Bryan - I am getting in a little late on all this, but there is a true enterprise class open source database you might want to take a look at called SAPDB. http://www.sapdb.org/ Supports stored procedures, triggers, transactions, views, etc. and it is blazingly fast. I have been using it for more than a year with no issues. We are moving things from Oracle over to SAP left and right. It is definitely not as popular as mysql, and I have heard a lot of people complain about the UI. Granted, the database could be a lot more user friendly, but I think it is no more / less confusing than Oracle on a linux box. M -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 4:28 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: MS SQL Server vs. MySQL OK..Clint...but what about all the Enterprise DB stuff that's missing...triggers/SPs/views and even simple sub-queries etc.?? From what I've been reading MySQL just isn't at the enterprise level yet...am I missing something? Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. t. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com - Original Message - From: Clint Tredway [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 11:09 AM Subject: Re: MS SQL Server vs. MySQL I will add my 2 cents.. In my tests, MySQL is faster than MSSQL. PHPMyAdmin is great from my view. It has a learning curve, but it keeps getting better and better. Clint - Original Message - From: Bryan Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 12:11 PM Subject: MS SQL Server vs. MySQL Hey All, I'm not all that familiar with MySQL, but from what I hear it's not as good as MS SQL Server (which I use along with Oracle). I've tried using MyPHPAdmin to administer MySQL before and all I can say is it sucked eggs...security was confusing as all hell. The MySQL.com website says that upcoming features for version 5 include: -views -stored procedures -triggers -sub-queries Now if it's missing all that then what is itAccess on steroids?? ;-) Opinions please TIA Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E
RE: CFMX 6.0 Error
I haven't seen it, but my guess would be that CFMX can't find a custom tag? M -Original Message- From: Knight, Matt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 10:14 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: CFMX 6.0 Error has anyone seen this... coldfusion.tagext.lang.ModuleTag null _ Matt Knight â-ºDresser Corporate Web Team â-º Dresser, Inc. â-º w: 972 361 9943 â-º m: 214 213 4016 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
OT: Oracle Licensing
I just completed a call with the Oracle rep (who is a salesman) for my organization and received some feedback about our licensing that has me more than a little confused. I am wondering if anyone can offer some insight or advice to help me understand the situation. Back in 1999, our organization purchased parallel licenses for 2 Oracle servers with 8 concurrent users. My understanding (and our CIOs) was that ColdFusion would count as 1 user on each machine and we would have 7 developers on each box. Additionally, our understanding was that we need no licenses for a development box. The person I just spoke to explained that these licenses are not valid for the purpose of distributing information over the Internet (i.e. that using CF, PHP or anything else to draw data from the server) and that we will need to migrate to a per-processor model immediately in order to be in compliance. He also said that using a copy of Oracle for development purposes would require that we purchase licenses for the development boxes as well (which, incidentally, is at the same cost as a full blown production server). Before I contact the sales representative we originally spoke to on the matter, I wanted to see if anyone has had similar experiences or is familiar with the Oracle concurrent user licensing model in regards to the use of dynamic Web pages. I am thinking that under the terms of the license we originally purchased should cover the use of ColdFusion and that this guy is just trying to get me to buy stuff. M ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
RE: Mach II. Is it faster than Fusebox 3?
-Original Message- From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 5:15 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Mach II. Is it faster than Fusebox 3? It would perhaps be instructive to find a reasonably sized FB3 app and then port it to FB4 and also convert it to Mach II and test all three. But that's asking a big commitment of time and effort from folks! Another factor that I think is more important is TCO based on the maintenance overhead of applications written in FB3, FB4 and Mach II. One of the prime drivers for Mach II is to address the maintenance cost overhead through the use of OO to improve reusability and increase flexibility (through loose coupling, encapsulation etc). Sean, I am in complete agreement with you that the major benefit to using MachII will be a reduction in the cost of maintaining an application over time. I also see the language agnostic aspects of MachII being a big part of its value proposition, and a wonderful one for shops that are not necessarily standardized on a single technology. Or couse, performance should be an important initial factor in the decision to adopt a framework for a project, especially in the case of a high volume Web application. The cost to maintain an application is meaningless if a project is so slow under load that no one can stand to use it. While I don't see anyone making a concurrent joint migration to FB4 and MachII except as an academic exercise, I do think performance comparisons will come out as people start moving applications into MachII. M Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/blog/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
Clockwork Muffin
http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=1626p=6 Check about 3/4 of the way down... M ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
RE: Clockwork Muffin
Please disregard, this message was intended for the CF-Community list. M -Original Message- From: Haggerty, Mike Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 1:48 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: Clockwork Muffin http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=1626p=6 Check about 3/4 of the way down... M ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
RE: Mach II. Is it faster than Fusebox 3?
Mike - With all due respect, I think the distinctive differences between FB and Mach II do not prevent one from making a judgment as to which framework is 'faster' for a given project. That being said, it is also probably too soon to make any conclusive statements on this issue, as the projects that are going to speak to the speed measured in bottom-line execution times can only just be getting underway. Also, individual projects will likely meet with individual results based on the capabilities of the development team. I am currently porting an application to Mach II and noticing some exceptional speed increases on a project that primarily displays large amounts of cached data. My thoughts are that using the views in Mach II could be somewhat more efficent than the layouts approach used in FB. Again, this is just a positive benchmark, and not necessarily an indicator of overall speed enhancement within the framework. M -Original Message- From: Mike Brunt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 2:53 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Mach II. Is it faster than Fusebox 3? Nicholas, there are major differences between Mach II and Fusebox 3.0 which really make them incomparable. Here are some major differences. FB 30 is a framework for procedural programming style (as against an OO based style). Mach II is firmly rooted in an OO based style. Mach II uses ColdFusion Components (cfc's) available only in ColdFusion MX and 6.1. There are many more differences; these are the main basic ones. Fusebox 3.0 to 4.0 would be a more logical comparison. Fusebox 4.0 is procedural but uses xml fairly heavily. ColdFusion MX would still be preferred for using FB 4.0 because of its xml handling capabilities as compared to CF 5.0. However, there is some code out there to somewhat mitigate this. Hth. Kind Regards - Mike Brunt Original Message --- Is Mach II faster than Fusebox 3? What are the advantages of Mach II over Fusebox 3. Thanks, Nicholas W. Watson Software Engineer Concurrent Technologies Corporation Phone: (814) 269-2653 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
RE: Optimizing W2k Professional
PC Magazine said you can use MSCONFIG, the tool provided with Windows XP, to view / edit the processes running at startup. They advised against using the version of MSCONFIG supplied with any other version of Windows, as it can cause system instability. Check out their Web site for details. M -Original Message- From: dwayne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 9:50 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: Optimizing W2k Professional I looking for a free download that helps optimize W2k. To many processess and applications are starting during startup and I would like to streamline the number of processes running. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
RE: Just Plain Dumb HTML/JS Question
Well, this works for me:
parent.otherframe.location.href = 'page.cfm#anchorname';
M
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From: Alexander Sherwood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: CF-Talk
Subject: OT: Just Plain Dumb HTML/JS Question
I know it's off topic, but some here has probably done this:
HTML page with multiple named anchors:
a name='A1'
a name='A2'
How can you navigate to them using a select box in another frame?!?!\
I've tried using frames[0].window.location.href = {anchor name}, but it
re-requests the page from the server rather than scrolling up/down to
the
named anchor!
Any help would be greatly appreciated!
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RE: Good News: (was RE: Mach II 1.0 )
Hal; I just thought I would chime in and say that Discovering CFCs is really a great book, packed with information, and reading it cleared up a lot of my OO questions. It is at the top of my list when it comes to recommended reading. Another book I am really impressed with is 'Object Oriented Programming with Actionscript' by Branden Hall and Samuel Wan. Despite the title, the book is about a software design priniciples, not Flash, and it is written for the developer looking to learn OO. Mr. Hall and Mr. Wan focus on objects and design patterns in a way that really makes things concrete. It would help if you are able to do the Flash exercises, but there is a lot of value in just reading the authors thoughts (also, Actionscript is very much related to javascript - the enterprising developer would just port the code to practice the principles). The book I am pouring over right now is The Unified Modelling Language User Guide, by Grady Booch, James Rumbaugh, and Ivar Jacobson, and it is surprisingly accessible reading. M -Original Message- From: Hal Helms [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 8:02 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Good News: (was RE: Mach II 1.0 ) As far as books go, Discovering CFCs gives a basic intro on OOAD and CFCs. I teach classes in OOAD with CFCs. But while those are specific to CFCs, there's a great deal of info on OO on the web and in a great number of books. It can be confusing assimilating it all, which is one reason I so strongly encourage CFers to begin the process of learning OO now rather than wait until a need is apparent. OO is not one of those things you pick up in 24 hours, no matter what some books may suggest. Hal Helms Java for CF Programmers class in Las Vegas, August 18-22 www.halhelms.com ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
RE: Any reason to choose Win2K over Win2k3?
Timothy - My understanding of the Web edition is that it is intended to be used exclusively for deploying Web pages and Web services. That being said, the internals of the server are geared very differently to accommodate this role (read: it gives extremely high priority to anything related to .NET). SQL Server, while it is often installed on the same box as the Web server, really isn't a 'Web' application, thus they singled it out. While you could install Oracle, MySQL, Postgres, etc. to get the machine setup the way you are used to, either a different Windows 2003 edition or a database server would be a better choice. M -Original Message- From: Claremont, Timothy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 9:02 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Any reason to choose Win2K over Win2k3? I am ready to place an order for the new server and need to decide between Win2K and Win2k3. Apparently there is now a Web edition of 2k3 for half a grand less than full Win2k3, but it specifically states that the web edition cannot be used to deploy SQL Server. This is not a problem at the moment, but I do not want to limit my options when it comes time to move up to SQL Server. It is not clear WHAT prevents the utilization of SQL Server. Would it prevent me from using MySQL, for example? The MS site seems intentionally vague when describing what makes it worth $500 less. Does anyone have any experience to share regarding the installation of RedSky on 2K3 full/web edition? Finally, I am currently running 4.5. How big of a hassle is the upgrade from 4.5 to RedSky? Do I want to avoid the upgrade and just install clean on the new server? My argument is that I need to determine if I spend the money on the upgrade at the same time I buy the server, which might prove painful. If the upgrade from 4.5 to RedSky is problematic, though, I might be able to justify all of the expense at the same time. Thanks in advance, Tim ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please delete. it. Thank you, ViaHealth ** ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: I sent this before and got no response...maybe someone can help?
Just a division problem, really. This should get you started...
DECLARE @NUM DECIMAL(10)
DECLARE @DENOM DECIMAL(10)
DECLARE @INCHFIELD VARCHAR(10)
DECLARE @RESULT DECIMAL(10,4)
-- OUTPUT YOUR FRACTION HERE --
SET @INCHFIELD = '3/4'
SELECT @NUM = SUBSTRING(@INCHFIELD, 1, CHARINDEX('/', @INCHFIELD) - 1),
@DENOM = SUBSTRING(@INCHFIELD, CHARINDEX('/', @INCHFIELD) +
1,LEN(@INCHFIELD)),
@RESULT = @NUM/@DENOM
SELECT @NUM, @DENOM, @RESULT
M
-Original Message-
From: Che Vilnonis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 3:57 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: I sent this before and got no response...maybe someone can
help?
In my db I've got a varchar column called 'width'.
It has values like 3/4 or 5/8, etc.
I'd like to write a where clause in a SQL query that does something like
this:
--
WHERE 0=0
AND (WIDTH BETWEEN #FORM.Width1# AND #FORM.Width2#)
[i.e. -- (AND (0.75 BETWEEN 0.5 AND 1))]
--
What do I need to do to make this work? Convert? Cast?
I don't know how to make SQL convert 7/8 into 0.875.
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RE: help with duplicating / clearing session scope
to copy the session scope: request.session = duplicate(session); to delete the session scope: structClear(session); structDelete(request, session); M -Original Message- From: Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue 8/5/2003 8:33 PM To: CF-Talk Cc: Subject: help with duplicating / clearing session scope I'm duplicating my session scope to the request scope in my Application.cfm, and then duplicating them back to the session scope in my OnRequestEnd.cfm and it works well, and prevents me from doing a lot of locking. However, I'm stuck now on actually clearing the session vars out, say when a user logs out. I want to keep some variables, and I seem to be stuck in a loop of I clear the session vars out but they get written back from the request scope immediately. It's midnight and I'm probably a bit brain dead but was wondering if anyone has used this system and could briefly explain what I'm missing :) Thanks, jim ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Debugging
Hi, I am working on an RIA using CFMX, and using CF to generate some XML pages. I am running into a problem with the debug portion of the CF page, obviously Flash doesn't like all those comments appearing at the bottom of each page. Is there a way in CFMX is programmatically control the display of debug information in the application? I know you couldn't do this in CF5, but can you, for example, set a tag to remove all debug content from the page? M ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: selling blood
WTF? Is this a desperate cry for attention? M -Original Message- From: LI, Chunshen (Don) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 2:00 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: selling blood I'm ready to sell blood. Does anyone need any? Thanks. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Scheduled Task Priority
Yeah, I second that notion of moving non-Web page related stuff to another scripting language. We use PHP and cron here to handle some scheduled downloads and it works like a charm. Plus PHP (and Perl, for that matter) have OO features now that can make them much easier to learn. M -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 4:26 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Scheduled Task Priority Is there a means of selectively killing a CF template that was run via the scheduler? Without cycling the CF service itself, that is? It's got a _very_ long RequestTimeout, yet looks like it won't be able to complete in that time. I'm surprised it hasn't taken the CF server down, so it must be the DB server that's the bottleneck. No, I don't think you can do that. I'd recommend that you consider rewriting the script in something other than CF. While it's easy to use CF for non-runtime tasks, and sometimes necessary, it makes sense to offload those sorts of things from CF wherever possible, since it may impact the performance of other scripts run by users. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: OT JavaScript Object Copy
Learned this myself recently. http://developer.irt.org/script/878.htm Essentially, there is no way to do what you are trying to do. What other developers do is loop around all of the object's properties and copy them to the new object. M -Original Message- From: Ian Skinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 2:04 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT JavaScript Object Copy Apparently this is much more difficult then it probably should be. But I can figure out how to make a true copy of DOM object with JavaScript, instead of just a copy of the pointer to the object. For Example: protoRow = (document.getElementById(One)); I would like protoRow to be a true deep copy of the current state of row One, that I can use later on to create new rows, even though by that time the state of row one will have change significantly. This obviously only creates a copy of the pointer to row One and any new rows made with this will have the current properties of row One what ever they happen to be at the time. Thanks -- Ian Skinner Web Programmer BloodSource Sacramento, CA ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: SQL data help.
Let me ask, how often is this data updated? Your best bet might be to take a different approach from a simple select. You may want to pre-aggregate the data somehow before it is queried, for instance by creating a table to contain this information and updating it once an hour. You could even take a hybrid approach by storing aggregated data in another table and doing a UNION query to retrieve on the most recent records. Otherwise, the format of a PIVOT table should look something like this: SELECT Group_ID, Supervisor_ID, SUM(CASE WHEN DATEPART(month,file_date) = 1) THEN number_jobs / number_employees END) AS 'January', SUM(CASE WHEN DATEPART(month,file_date) = 2) THEN number_jobs / number_employees END) AS 'February', ... FROM sometable M -Original Message- From: DURETTE, STEVEN J (AIT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 2:17 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: SQL data help. Hi all, I have data that I am working with some data that I need to (for lack of a better term) pivot. I have data that comes into a table in the format of: Group_ID, Supervisor_ID, Number_Employees, Number_Jobs, File_Date Example: Engineering, MGR1, 5, 6, 1-1-2003 Engineering, MGR1, 5, 9, 2-1-2003 Engineering, MGR2, 5, 6, 1-1-2003 Engineering, MGR2, 5, 9, 2-1-2003 Maintenance, MGR1, 5, 6, 1-1-2003 Maintenance, MGR1, 5, 9, 2-1-2003 Maintenance, MGR2, 5, 6, 1-1-2003 Maintenance, MGR2, 5, 9, 2-1-2003 From this I figure the Rate (which is Number_Jobs / Number_Employees), so the table is actually: Group_ID, Supervisor_ID, Number_Employees, Number_Jobs, File_Date, RATE Example: Engineering, MGR1, 5, 6, 1-1-2003, 1.2 Engineering, MGR1, 5, 9, 2-1-2003, 1.8 Engineering, MGR2, 5, 6, 1-1-2003, 1.2 Engineering, MGR2, 5, 9, 2-1-2003, 1.8 Maintenance, MGR1, 5, 6, 1-1-2003, 1.2 Maintenance, MGR1, 5, 9, 2-1-2003, 1.8 Maintenance, MGR2, 5, 6, 1-1-2003, 1.2 Maintenance, MGR2, 5, 9, 2-1-2003, 1.8 My problem is that I have to display it like: Group_ID, Supervisor_ID, Jan_Rate, Feb_Rate, ..., Dec_Rate Example: Engineering, MGR1, 1.1, 2.2, 3.3, 4.4, 5.5, 6.6, 7.7, 8.8, 9.9, 10.10, 11.11, 12.12 Engineering, MGR2, 1.1, 2.2, 3.3, 4.4, 5.5, 6.6, 7.7, 8.8, 9.9, 10.10, 11.11, 12.12 Maintenance, MGR1, 1.1, 2.2, 3.3, 4.4, 5.5, 6.6, 7.7, 8.8, 9.9, 10.10, 11.11, 12.12 Maintenance, MGR2, 1.1, 2.2, 3.3, 4.4, 5.5, 6.6, 7.7, 8.8, 9.9, 10.10, 11.11, 12.12 Right now, I have it working, but it seems very inefficient. What I currently do is create a temp table in the format of the display. Then I insert the Group, Supervisor, and Jan Data. After that I do an update for each month. This is very slow and just looks wrong. Does anyone have any ideas how I might be able to do a pivot (still lack of a better word)? Steve *COST SAVINGS SUGGESTION* For pages that must be printed, change your print settings to print in grayscale instead of color. Steve Durette Mgr-Eng. Const. Systems Support 100 S. Main Room 314 Mt. Clemens, MI 48043 Ofc: 586.466.7654 Fax: 586.466.1109 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Mach II
Hal - I downloaded MachII and have so far been very impressed with what I have seen. I do have a question about views. Currently, MachII does not support a common layout feature or the ability to nest layouts such as developers have seen in Fusebox. Is there any plan to support this within the framework, or will developers be forced to roll their own if they want this kind of functionality? M -Original Message- From: Hal Helms [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 1:22 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Mach II Neil, Right now, the docs are pretty much non-existent, so there's no surprise that you're having trouble grasping it. I've been working on sample apps for the last few days, so we'll have some up within a couple of weeks at most. After that, we'll work on docs. Here's a really brief rundown on Mach-II. The idea behind implicit invocation is that individual components in the system aren't determined until runtime. The framework creates the structure of an event (things like UserRegistered or BetPlaced) and then checks an XML config file to see who has asked to be notified about the current event. A reference to the event, including any variables associated with that event, is passed to the listener. Listeners can raise new events that other listeners respond to, etc. The big deal with implicit invocation (the II in Mach-II) is that components can be very loosely coupled, allowing for much easier reuse and, maybe more importantly, much easier maintenance. Mach-II implements the Model-View-Controller pattern, in which the framework itself is the controller while model and view functions are separated. BTW, an event can notify a listener (typically in the model) or specify a view, or both. Let me get back to finishing a Roulette Table sample app so that you can see what I'm talking about. Hal Helms Java for CF Programmers class in Las Vegas, August 18-22 www.halhelms.com ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
SOLVED - RE: CFX_ESRIMAP
After rebuilding the server a second time, I was able to solve my CF5 / ArcIMS problem. It looks like software on the server may have been installed in the incorrect order as specified in ESRI support document http://support.esri.com/index.cfm?fa=knowledgebase.techarticles.articleS howd=24750. Never would have thought this installation would be so tricky, but it was. M -Original Message- From: Paul Hastings [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 4:17 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CFX_ESRIMAP Hmmm... I was afraid of this, I actually installed it properly but it still does not want to work. these are all in the same dir as cfx_esrimap.dll (or maybe in a path)? aimsutil.dll cfxesrimap_root.res emaplink.dll icudata.dll icui18n.dll icuuc.dll xerces-c_1_3.dll znlib.dll did you upgrade over previous arcIMS? if so maybe delete that tag re-register it (sorry these are sort of guesses, but hard for me to find a cf5 box let alone one w/arcIMS4.01 anymore). also probably a dumb question but are you sure arcIMS is up running ok? the diags returned ok? i do recall the nightmares getting it properly intalled with tomcat, etc. under cf5--its a breeze w/mx. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: SOLVED - RE: CFX_ESRIMAP
Isn't it annoying? I mean, I like ArcIMS and all, but setup can be a beast. I hope my experiences with the percularities of the server help someone else. M -Original Message- From: Critz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 11:13 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: SOLVED - RE: CFX_ESRIMAP oi Mike!! i've had /many/ occasions where i have had to install the thing /multiple/ times ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
CFX_ESRIMAP
Are there any CF and ArcIMS users out there? I am upgrading all of my ArcIMS servers to 4.0.1 on Windows CF5 and running into some strange issues with the ColdFusion connector. CF keeps giving me an unspecified error message whenever I try to use it to access a map. The settings in admin are: Tag Name: CFX_ESRIMAP Server Library: [The correct path to CF]\bin\cfx_esrimap.dll Procedure: ProcessTagRequest Keep Library Loaded: Check Is there anything wrong with this configuration? Using Apache 2.0.47 M ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CFX_ESRIMAP
Hmmm... I was afraid of this, I actually installed it properly but it still does not want to work. Anyone have any ideas on what could be wrong? M -Original Message- From: Paul Hastings [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 3:14 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CFX_ESRIMAP Are there any CF and ArcIMS users out there? of course :-) The settings in admin are: Tag Name: CFX_ESRIMAP Server Library: [The correct path to CF]\bin\cfx_esrimap.dll Procedure: ProcessTagRequest Keep Library Loaded: Check Is there anything wrong with this configuration? Using Apache 2.0.47 did you try placing all the dependent DLL in the same dir as that cfx tag? should be in the arcims install/cf connector dir. stop/restrat the cf server service. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CFX_ESRIMAP
Paul - All of the required files are present in the cfusion/bin directory. What happened is we are upgrading from ArcIMS 3.1 to 4.0.1. This is a clean Win2K box we are using as the 'test' before we move up our production servers. ArcIMS itself is up and running, and I am able to view map services using the default viewers. The diagnostic utilites reveal no problems. I have installed and deleted the CFX tag multiple times to no effect. I have restarted the Web server, the servlet engine, CF, ArcIMS, and the box all to no effect. I am not sure what to do next. M -Original Message- From: Paul Hastings [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 4:17 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CFX_ESRIMAP Hmmm... I was afraid of this, I actually installed it properly but it still does not want to work. these are all in the same dir as cfx_esrimap.dll (or maybe in a path)? aimsutil.dll cfxesrimap_root.res emaplink.dll icudata.dll icui18n.dll icuuc.dll xerces-c_1_3.dll znlib.dll did you upgrade over previous arcIMS? if so maybe delete that tag re-register it (sorry these are sort of guesses, but hard for me to find a cf5 box let alone one w/arcIMS4.01 anymore). also probably a dumb question but are you sure arcIMS is up running ok? the diags returned ok? i do recall the nightmares getting it properly intalled with tomcat, etc. under cf5--its a breeze w/mx. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
CF5 with Apache 2.0.42 on Windows
Does anyone know if CF5 works with Apache 2 on Windows? I am configuring a new server and need to know if I am going to run into any serious problems. M ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Cons to Fusebox
In response to the criticism that FB3 is slow, the framework itself is not much of an issue in terms of speed. I have two substantial CF5/FB3 applications where the average page generation time is 50ms (+-3ms) up to 250 concurrent users. I don't know what kinds of results everyone else gets, but these are impressive. M -Original Message- From: Barney Boisvert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 3:06 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Cons to Fusebox Here's some arguments against using FB4: ... - it's not supported (neither is Struts) - it makes slow apps (a valid argument against FB3, not so with FB4) - it's hard to use (there's an initial learning curve, but after that, everything is easier and faster) ... Not quite what you were looking for, I'm sure, but hopefully useful none the less. cheers, barneyb --- Barney Boisvert, Senior Development Engineer AudienceCentral [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice : 360.756.8080 x12 fax : 360.647.5351 www.audiencecentral.com ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
OT: Cyberthon for Dinowitz
This OT message is posted with permission. Michael Dinowitz, the cfguru who maintains this list, recently suffered a catastrophic system failure on his personal computer. It looks as though he has lost everything but the hard drive, and is reduced to using an old laptop for development and correspondence. The members of the CF-Community list today decided to hold a 'cyberthon' to assemble a replacement computer to send to him. The way this works is that people offer to send in gently used, working components for the replacement, items they may have sitting around at home like hard drives, chips, RAM, motherboards, etc. These will be assembled into a working system and delivered to Mr. Dinowitz once it is completed. Anyone interested in participating in this cyberthon, please take a look at the following list of components and see if there is anything you may have to add. Our goal is to send him a complete system with the best performance possible, so if anyone has any parts they can spare to add to this list, please feel free to offer. People have offered to send in money, I personally think this is a neat idea but there are probably some sticky issues with it, so... please, unless you want to contribute shipping charges directly, limit your contributions to component parts only. This cyberthon will run through the end of the week. The master list of donations will be maintained over on CF-Community, and can be viewed from there. Mr. Dinowitz will have the opportunity to select the component parts to make up his new computer then, and donators will be contacted afterwards. Thanks, M Today's Cyberthon Wrap Up - Motherboard: 1) Bill's AMD 2500+ mainboard Chip: 1) Bill's Athlon MP 1700+ Storage: 1) Jim's 75 GB Hard Drive 2) Ben's HDs of unspecified capacity 3) MikeH's 10 GB Hard Drive Network: 1) Jim's Ethernet / Firewire card 2) Ben's NIC cards 3) Mike H's NIC cards Graphics Cards: 1) Tim's geForce2 440MX 2) Matt Small's dual head Matrox video card 3) MikeH's GeForce3 Audio: 1) Jim's SBLive 2) Ben's unspecified sound card Cases: 1) Doug's Case 2) Bill's Acer 'ghetto' style neon case 3) MikeH's Gateway case (probably not compatible) Removable Media: 1) Doug's CDRom 2) Ben's DVD-ROM 3) MikeH's CDROM 4) Doug's Floppy Drive Other / Not Sure: 1) Dana's modem 2) Tim's KVM Switch (in case miked wants to hook up multiple machines) Things we must get: 1) RAM - Bill, what kind to we need? 2) Cables - I probably have these 3) Power supply - MikeH will donate this if no one else does. Need at least 300 watt. Things NTH: 1) Keyboard 2) Mouse 3) Monitor 4) Brand new aluminum case 5) Stickers to go on the side Shipping and Handling 1) Ben Braver has made a generous (but unspecified) offer 2) MikeH will cough up $10 in loose change MikeH will try to provide whatever is still needed after this list is complete. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
MachII Speed (was RE: Mach II)
Last night, I got a chance to get started with Mach II at home. Very impressive, I like the way it is put together, but I was struck by a couple of things: 1) Speed. Each page took 700 ms to generate with debugging off. This was using a slow server: Apache / XP / RedSky / Celeron 733 with 512 MB RAM. However, FB3 pages doing just about the same amount of work average ~100 ms on the same server. 2) Layouts are not part of MachII yet. Or am I missing something? M -Original Message- From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 5:58 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Mach II What you get on http://www.mach-ii.com/ is all you get... Remember this is still beta software! On Tuesday, Jul 15, 2003, at 09:48 US/Pacific, webguy wrote: My first look at MachII; Does the data in example machII app, persist data ? Is there are readme ? Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/blog/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Generating a flash file on the fly question
Um... You probably don't need anything besides just Flash MX. You probably do not need to generate Flash files on the fly, either. Actionscript, the scripting language in Flash MX, allows you to do things like dynamic including other content, loading external variables, and, of course, remoting. You probably want to create a shell movie that loads components based on the characteristics of the user. M -Original Message- From: Brian Ferrigno [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 10:26 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: Generating a flash file on the fly question Hello all, I have a site I am working on that needs to generate flash files based upon a few criteria entered about the file in the admin section. The body of the file will stay the same but I will need a new ending and loader at the beginning added to the file. The way things are going to be set up is in the site administration tool the admin will have the ability to upload a flash file, assign it to one or more dates/special events (These are cards for anniversaries, birthdays, etc.), then upload the file to the remote server. Flash will then have to take the assigned data and prepend and append it to the card. What I need to know is what technology I need to accomplish this. Can I do this without having to use Flash MX to generate the files? Do I need the Data Connection Kit? I am relatively new to flash and any help or advice you can give would be great. Thanks in advance for any help. Brian __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Scheduled Tasks
Did you check the error log and the executive log to see if any additional info is available there? M -Original Message- From: Critz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 10:30 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Scheduled Tasks oi CF-Talk,!! I've got a scheduled task that has been running fine. up till now. The only thing I can think of is I now have Norton running on the server. But I've got real time file protection turned off I can browse the url of the scheduled task from that machine but when i run it in the admin I get: The URL is a redirection URL. The URL is protected by IIS NT Challenge/Response or Apache .htaccess password. The Username and Password text fields for editing a scheduled task are intended to support Basic Authentication only. The Domain Name lookup failed. Try using the IP address of the domain whenever possible. The URL is an SSL site, but the SSL port was specified incorrectly. The Web site is not responding. The directory specified for published results does not exist. any ideas?? Crit --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: I need some good old advice.
JB - I can shed some light on this kind of system, and give you some suggestions about building one. Just about every dynamic, scalable site employs some form of caching, and the following is a model I have found useful in increasing the scalability of my sites. The idea behind caching is to pre-generate as much content as possible to reduce overhead on your Web server. One of the big 'hits' we take as developers is with database access, so, naturally, caching data is probably going to be a big part of your strategy. There are a number of issues with doing this, however: deciding what data to cache, indexing your data store, handling inserts / updates / deletes, handling record locking, detecting the presence of data, error handling for when something goes wrong, all of these things need to be thought out before building a system like this. Now, it's great that you want to use cached queries to store data and QoQ's to access it. But I have found this approach to be a little slower than dumping the same information into structures. For instance, in one application I have a list of values specific to congressional districts and use a structure indexed with each congressional district names to contain all the data for that area. This includes multiple structures, string and numeric values. But structure lookups are fast compared to QoQ, at least in CF5. Whenever a user requests information for a particular distrct, the data is pulled directly out of that structure. Whenever a user adds / updates / deletes information on that particular district, I update the database and then the key in the structure they changed. This process comes out like this: 1) CFQuery with Insert / Update / Delete 2) Use a readonly CFLock to copy the structure out of the application scope 3) Perform the action on the copy of the structure 4) Use an exclusive CFLock to copy the new structure back into the application scope By handling changes to the cached data in this way, you can maintain synchronicity between the database and the server without having to run a select statement. This method, however, also illustrates the source of a lot of problems. Locking that shared information can be really troublesome in several situations: 1) Dirty reads. Between the time the data structure is initially copied out of the application scope to when it is copied back in, another user can copy the same data prior to it being updated then write it back in. The first user's changes would be lost. 2) When you have a lot of users, the high volume of requests can make the update take a long time, or users can encounter errors. Each exclusive lock means only one user has access to that data and all others wait. Usually, this is easier to work around than the next problem. 3) When you are operating in a clustered environment, there is no way to share application scopes between servers. You need a mechanism for alerting each server it is time to update the cached data. There are a number of ways around these problems. I maintain a lot of metadata regarding each data structure, including when it was last updated - down to the millisecond. In the process above, I will add a check to see when the last time the structure was updated and use that to figure out whether or not this is a legit update. In the event that a dirty read has occurred, I have an alternate process that kicks in: 1) Exclusively lock the data structure to be changed 2) Change it directly 3) Release the lock. This process works, for the most part, without a serious performance hit (on our Red Hat servers, the difference is +- 3ms). There have been times though, under heavy load, when this process lead to the number of locks overwhelming CF's ability to deal with them. After this occurred several times, we decided to move to a clustered server approach. The problem with data caching and clustered servers is that servers do not share data scopes. They can use a common set of session variables, but the ideal would be for them to share the application scope (since that's where all the data is). I get around this problem by passing data back and forth in the database. I have a separate database dedicated exclusively to 'state' reporting. Each time I do an update to a specific data structure that needs to be mirrored on another server, I record the server, the structure, the key, and the time last updated. On each page request, each server runs a quick select statement to check (based on internal IP) if it needs to update any data. When one server needs to update information, it follows a process similar to the one used for record updates: 1) Use a readonly CFLock to copy the key of the structure out of the application scope 2) Perform the action on the copy of the key of the structure 3) Use an exclusive CFLock to copy the new key back into the application scope The performance hit on this one depends on the particular data structure, and the goal is to make the process
RE: JSP 10X faster than CFM?
I would not believe it - the performance advantage on any platform is dependent on any number of things, including the proficency of the person or team that set up the server. I could easily set up a BEA Web Logic server and have it *crawl* trying to serve up JSP pages next to a properly configured Slackware server with CF5 and Apache. That being said, who knows what platform was used to create these benchmarks (if that is what you call them)? I support both JSP and CF installations and have comparable benchmarks for each. M -Original Message- From: Rich Z [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 3:37 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: JSP 10X faster than CFM? I've heard that JSP is that much faster than CFML. I even read somewhere its 10X faster. Is this true? -Rich ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Search Engine Optimization
There was a thread on this list recently about Search Engine Optimization for CF sites. Just so happens SEO has become an issue for me on a freelance project, and I want to start a list of best practices I can work into my development processes. Thus far, I have three items: 1) Configure the server to run other file extensions through the CF parser (i.e. HTM, HTML) in order to avoid being ignored 2) Use meta description and meta keyword tags to indicate content on the site 3) Use search engine safe links instead of passing CGI parameters Obviously, this is just a start and there are non-technical issues as well (for instance, making sure there are plenty of incoming links to the site). Does anyone have any more tips, or else pointers to resources, that might be helpful here? M ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CF Flash (crazy idea?)
Michael - All of the things you mentioned are possible, and a lot more. I am currently hard at work on a product that features this capability. If you are interested in taking a look at (what will be) the beta version, please feel free to contact me off list to receive an NDA. M -Original Message- From: Michael T. Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 10:59 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: CF Flash (crazy idea?) Hi everyone. I have an idea and need to know if it is within the capabilities of Flash and CF. What I would like to do is provide an interface for users to come to, where they can create forms and position the form elements and element labels wherever they wish (within a maximum area). How I envision this working would be to provide within the interface an area that contained a list of possible form elements to choose from (text input, text area, radio, check). When a user dragged one of these into the form area they could give it a label and fill in the attributes of that element as well as position the element and its label wherever they wanted (within the bounds of course). Now for the crazy part... Would it be possible to take that Flash movie that the user interacted with to create the initial form and process it into an HTML form where the layout was almost identical if not exactly identical to how it was created via the Flash interface (from a positioning and layout standpoint)? I was thinking maybe there are some functions in flash to get element coordinates, etc... The idea would be that this form could be used within an HTML email or website to gather user feedback. The second part would be to build some kind of container on the backend whereas those results/responses could be stored. Obviously this is a complex idea, one in which is beyond the scope of my abilities at this time. Anyone have thoughts, ideas, technologies to look at, etc... ? Mike ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Is Flash really THAT good?
Yep, Flash is that good. You need to trust me, not this author. Flash does a lot right now, and this guy chose to focus on it's usefulness in animation and graphics. That's a very poor representation of Flash's abilities, and the article is anything other than a critique of it's role in application development. In fact, this article is so bad I am adding it to my Big Book of Useless Rubbish No One Should Waste Their Time reading. Laters, M -Original Message- From: Jon Block [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 9:34 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Is Flash really THAT good? This is a bit off topic but I wanted to ask this question specifically to this audience. There seems to be a sence that Flash is this awesome platform for rich internet applications that thats where everything is going. All you hear about is how fast it is, how good looking it is, and so on. Maybe I'm the only one but Flash drives me crazy. Even though it has database connectivity, I still see it as a frustrating way to create needless animations. Maybe I'm wrong. I admit I have only got into Flash a little bit but every time I do, I end up asking myself why I am wasting my time with this tool. As application developers, do you take Flash seriously? Do you think it does or will ever make since to use it for your full blown applications? I just read over the message thread at: http://www.dack.com/web/flash_evil.html and I found it very interesting and I sort of agree with the author. He's also got an interesting usability test posted at: http://www.dack.com/web/flashVhtml/ I'm interested as to what you guys think. Thanks, Jon ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Is Flash really THAT good?
Adam; This author makes no valid points. He simply takes shots at what he doesn't like to condemn a product wholly. The author criticizes the work of individual authors, and holds Flash to blame as an 'enabler'. This assertion is a non sequitur, and justifies my comment about the article being nothing but useless rubbish. People make Web sites, Web sites do not make themselves and Flash can certainly be used for better purposes. Flash is ANYTHING but evil, and I would say your comments about navigation are invalid in the same way. Authors make movies accessible, navigable, etc., not Flash - if you want to talk aesthetics, you need to talk with the aesthetes, not the assembly programmers who have nothing to do with this at all whatsoever. That being said, I have an RIA project underway that I am planning to market as an RIA development platform and, without saying too much before the big release, it has no animation, no funny navigation, and nothing that would offend 'serious' application developer's sensible yearnings for the old blue and gray. There is so much more that can be done with Flash it dwarfs the animation aspects, and it is time for people's perceptions to change about the product. Useless prattling like this only makes me mad... M -Original Message- From: Adam Wayne Lehman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 10:46 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Is Flash really THAT good? Well I'm feeling adventurous... I think all the points this author makes are valid. In fact it's something our industry should heed well. As developers when we leave the browser, it's easy to get carried away. Normally we have all these constraints like 'form controls' and 'underlined hyperlinks', components that are universal across the board. Our end users are extremely familiar with these items, so they can navigate anywhere in the web with moderate ease. Now when we move into RIA everything the user knows about navigation... is gone. The developers now take on much more responsibility and usability (which most developers ignore all together) becomes mission critical. I don't think anyone can disagree that there are a tremendous amount of _shitty_ flash sites out there as a result. But I don't want to fully defend the a-hole who wrote this article (if you can even call it that). His points are valid, but they do not equate to Flash is Evil or Flash sucks. Splash pages _are_ useless, flaming logos are soo 1997, and doing an entire site in flash, just for the sake of doing it is retarded. But just because there is a lot of crap built with the tools, doesn't mean the technology is evil. It's quite the opposite. The technology is so great, and so easy to use... that any shmuck can do it. (We run into this same issue with CF, it leads to bad programming tendencies, because it's so easy to use.) Now let's turn the tables here. Is this guy color blind, is the theme a tribute the short bus he rode to school in? Further more he doesn't even have a single image on his page, just text. (Is he Amish or something?) Additionally all his article are like 250px wide so every page is like 4 screens vertical. The right justified nav bar serves only one purpose to create dead space. I think considering his site, the author is discredited and possibly just jealous of designers in general. You know what pisses me off more than splash pages and pointless animations? The fact that any shmuck with notepad can have a web site. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Is Flash really THAT good?
These are things a good developer handles for. Tab controls are certainly easy to add to a form in Flash. M -Original Message- From: Greg Luce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 1:09 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Is Flash really THAT good? I personally dislike flash forms where you can't tab from field to field, and when you hit enter with the cursor in any of the fields, the form won't submit. That in my experience is the way users are trained to use a form. Greg -Original Message- From: Clint [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 11:43 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Is Flash really THAT good? Ok, here is a simplified version of what I did for my company. http://www.solowebworx.com/search.html Now, this is a quick example and not a FULL example of what I was talking about. If anyone is interested in the code, I will post a zip of it on my site. thanks, Clint - Original Message - From: Doug White [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 11:36 AM Subject: Re: Is Flash really THAT good? Unfortunately, There are a ton of Flash web sites, that are either media centric, cartoon centric, or game centric, and there is a dearth of business/commerce centric Flash sites. Referring a potential commercial client to the Macromedia.com or many of the other sample Flash sites, which are full of slow loading, multiple popup windows, and other absolutely useless functionality, while noisy and show pretty animations and colors, will surely turn most of them completely off. There have been a very few (unfortunately) Web sites that use flash as an adjunct to conventional commercial development languages, such as CFMX, CF 5.0, PHP or even ASP can do much more IMHO, in creating a user friendly, well designed, bandwidth conservative, presentation of the business entity, including our by-words; Dynamic data-driven web application The competition is on for the most eye-catching presentation of the business face done with the mission of bringing the client back often. I believe all of the software publishers are throwing marketing (name-your-currency-here) to try to corner the market where the big bucks are. Be it .NET, ASP, ASPX, CF, CFMX, PHP, and others. A web developer must keep in mind that all of these are tools to get the job done. The focus should be on doing the job and meeting the customer's needs. Managers, frequently either fall for the marketing hype, or will choose a technology based on the in-house skillsets. I can quote example after example of businesses that have wasted a tremendous amount of development money in trying to develop in, or convert to a particular technology, just because it seemed to be the in thing to do at the time, and was getting quite a bit of attention in articles written in the various free trade publications., whose focus changes from issue to issue. The practice of management dictating the technology before development starts, is, in most cases, a costly, very costly mistake, and not only hurts the bottom line, but wastes developer resources. The previous sentence, I believe, is probably the greatest contributor to developer unhappiness with his job, and also contributes to developers moving from job to job. Two very large scale operations come to mind, but I will not name names here. In one, the IT manager dictated three years ago a complete switch from a ColdFusion data driven web site, which included a high volume order entry and shopping cart, to pure Java. They had a twenty developer ColdFusion developer team, 18 of which have since left the company, and the new technology has not yet been fully implemented. The two remaining CF coders, are kept busy with updates on the existing site, but literally thousands upon thousands of dollars have been thrown down a empty hole with little or no progress, mainly due to the moving target of the adopted technology. The other made a deal with Oracle for enterprise licensing, and the attending Java hype, and is spending millions to convert a Hodge-podge of database programs that previously worked well, but were not integrated, and a blind insistence on writing all applications in pure Java, which we all recognize is still a moving target. As a Macromedia User group manager, I have been exposed from among our membership, all of the above. We have a wide diversity of developer and management types among our membership. There are some really atrociously designed web sites that, while full of eye candy, are really short on functionality. There are some web sites that function fairly well, but are poorly organized and suffer from design effort. Even fewer are the web sites that bring together both design and functionality. Each of us have that area in which we excel, and that is a good thing, but all of us must widen our skills to at
RE: Is Flash really THAT good?
Well, these days I don't know if even that is true. There are a lot of good sites being done by good developers that are really slick in how they handle, where things like tab stops are the least of what they handle for. The problem, IMHO, is that not enough people 'see' RIAs. They are not ubiquitous, there are no big RIA sites the general public visits (MM is not a site for the general public), and there are many, many brocureware-style projects out there for each application oriented project. The perception of Flash these days is still that of about two or three years ago. I would love it if a big auto company, a major online retailer, or someone that the general public sees would switch to an RIA. M -Original Message- From: John Wilker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 1:22 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Is Flash really THAT good? true true. I think it just is easy to not go that extra mile and those are the sites that incur this terrible reputation for flash. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Is Flash really THAT good?
Mesh - People are really, really confused about what Flash can do if you have to say this. You need to straighten them out. M -Original Message- From: Mike Chambers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 3:33 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Is Flash really THAT good? I just want to make sure that everyone understands: You can have blue links in Flash. mike chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Is Flash really THAT good?
Yeah, but so much of what Flash can do is tied into CF it is appropriate to comment on it here. M -Original Message- From: CF Dude [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 4:35 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Is Flash really THAT good? People are really, really confused about what Flash can do if you have to say this. You are correct. However, this is a CF forum, and not a flash forum. E FLASH RULES ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Is Flash really THAT good?
It just occurred to me what DHTML has over Flash: You can control your right click behavior in DHTML, you are forced to see those menus in Flash. M -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 11:22 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Is Flash really THAT good? Really? Name just one UI component/paradigm that is possible in Flash that isn't possible in DHTML. How about an org chart? http://www.figleaf.com/development/flash4/orgchart/orgchart.cfm (Actually, you could do this in DHTML, but it wouldn't be cross-browser, and it wouldn't work very well, and it would be expensive to support, and you'd lose all your hair.) How about a whiteboard? http://products.figleaf.com/ Good luck with that DHTML. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Host with the leader in ColdFusion hosting. Voted #1 ColdFusion host by CF Developers. Offering shared and dedicated hosting options. www.cfxhosting.com/default.cfm?redirect=10481 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
OT: WDDX and PL/SQL
Has anyone worked with WDDX and PL/SQL? I am working with the Oracle XML Developer's Kit for 8i and am getting nowhere fast trying to use xpath to pull data from WDDX packets. I have tested the packages I built using 'simple' xml documents and can return results. But when I supply a wddx packet, everything goes wrong. Help? M ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CFUN 2k3 Rollcall
I wish I could be there... Funding for conferences was dropped because my
company's contract is up for negotiation.
Would love to get together with other developers outside the conference
tho...
M
-Original Message-
From: Sicular, Alexander [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 4:21 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CFUN 2k3 Rollcall
I'll be there fri-sun.
Alexander Sicular
Chief Technology Architect
Neurological Institute of New York
Columbia University
as867 {at} columbia [dot] edu
-Original Message-
From: Adam Wayne Lehman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 2:31 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: OT: CFUN 2k3 Rollcall
So is anyone from the list planning to attend CFUN? (Or will I be the only
one in the hotel bar?)
Adam Wayne Lehman
Web Systems Developer
Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
Distance Education Division
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RE: Whaling? Whaling? C'mon people....
Enough. There's nuh-fin to see here. Please let this die. M -Original Message- From: Richard Crawford [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 3:10 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Whaling? Whaling? C'mon people Abalone. People who post personal rants to lists like this are just being shellfish. At 03:04 PM 6/16/2003 -0400, you wrote: :: I'm sure he didn't do it on porpoise. Naw, he did it just for the halibut... ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Whaling? Whaling? C'mon people....
Look, seal your lips and move this over to the community. M -Original Message- From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 3:25 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Whaling? Whaling? C'mon people C'mon You all otter know the rules enough to stop this right now. --Matt-- -- Original Message -- From: Haggerty, Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:15:34 -0400 Enough. There's nuh-fin to see here. Please let this die. M -Original Message- From: Richard Crawford [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 3:10 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Whaling? Whaling? C'mon people Abalone. People who post personal rants to lists like this are just being shellfish. At 03:04 PM 6/16/2003 -0400, you wrote: :: I'm sure he didn't do it on porpoise. Naw, he did it just for the halibut... ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Host with the leader in ColdFusion hosting. Voted #1 ColdFusion host by CF Developers. Offering shared and dedicated hosting options. www.cfxhosting.com/default.cfm?redirect=10481 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: RED SKY BETA
It's MM's decision to release info about the beta, not the testers. M -Original Message- From: Adam Wayne Lehman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 8:44 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: RED SKY BETA Maybe some owe Peter an apology. It wasn't more than 4 days ago he got flamed for merely mentioning 'Red Sky Beta'. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Damon Cooper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 7:52 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RED SKY BETA We need your help to really put the CF RED SKY release through its paces and make this the best ColdFusion Server product ever released. If you think you might be able to help us out, you're invited complete the simple Beta program application: http://www.macromedia.com/go/cfmmxbeta The CF RED SKY preview presentation contains the only details that can be talked about publicly, but it's located here: http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/presentation/redsky/ We've poured poured our heart soul into RED SKY, and we want it to be The ONE you use and depend on, to do-what-you-do. See you in the Beta Forums! Damon Cooper Dir of Engineering, ColdFusion Server Macromedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Loggin pages taking more than X sec using FB3.
Well, if you are on NT you can set up Performance Monitor to monitor execution times for CF pages. There are a number of custom counters built right into the package. This would allow you to avoid using additional code to monitor pages, since more code just adds overhead and throws off your benchmarks. As for actual execution times, there are a number of ways to improve them that do not require any understanding of FB. M -Original Message- From: Python Python [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 3:45 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Loggin pages taking more than X sec using FB3. Well if you take a closer look @ my question, you'll notice that is is not about fusebox, it's is about logging. I need to log the query string along with the script_name when page timesout (so i can know what fuseaction - fuses it's calling). I just mencioned the fusebox so others can understand why i need to log the query string. I apreciate your cross-post, thank you for the help. About the index.aol, i just mapped the extension .aol to be interpreted as .cfm. I'm sure you know what i'm talking about. Since the domain name is AnimaisOnLine, i thought the aol extension would have some charm =) Sorry if i hurt the fusebox'ers egos, i'm a great fan of FB. Regards. BP. you'll probably do better with the Fusebox questions on the Fusebox list ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). This list already has tons of traffic , that's why there's a separate list I'm gonna cross-post this there so that the thread can move See that it is saying that the file index.aol (witch is my fusebox) is oh my. index.aol ??? we've come to that, have we? actually that's not a bad slogan for Fusebox So easy to use, no wonder we're #1 ! - Original Message - From: Blood Python [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 3:02 PM Subject: Loggin pages taking more than X sec using FB3. Loggin pages taking more than X sec using FB3. I'm having problemas using the Cfadmin feature to log pages taking more than X seconds. That's because the log (sever.log) only logs the main page, the fusebox (a.k.a request.self or self or index.cfm). Im my case, it shows this: D:\www\AnimaisOnline\v2\index.aol, completed in 31 seconds, exceeding the 30 second warning limit Warning,jrpp-189,06/07/03,13:18:46,,Thread: jrpp-189, processing template: D:\www\AnimaisOnline\v2\index.aol, completed in 46 seconds, exceeding the 30 second warning limit Warning,jrpp-171,06/07/03,13:18:54,,Thread: jrpp-171, processing template: D:\www\AnimaisOnline\v2\index.aol, completed in 65 seconds, exceeding the 30 second warning limit Warning,jrpp-180,06/07/03,13:19:05,,Thread: jrpp-180, processing template: D:\www\AnimaisOnline\v2\index.aol, completed in 100 seconds, exceeding the 30 second warning limit Warning,jrpp-163,06/07/03,13:19:12,,Thread: jrpp-163, processing template: See that it is saying that the file index.aol (witch is my fusebox) is taking longer than 30s. That's not usefull. Is there any way i can log the hole query string? I am using SES urls: index.aol/fuseaction/Customers.List I was thinking about doing a getTickCount on Application and OnRequestEnd and if the tickCount was greater than Z seconds, cflog it. What do you think? Thanks BP. _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Prevent Refresh
What I do is the following: 1) Set a session variable on the page that will submit the form, usually called session.frm_submit, and set it to 1. 2) Create a CFIF on the page the form submits to that checks the value of the session variable, and, if it is 1, sets it to 0 then processes the submission. If the value is already 0, the submission is ignored. This means the user would have to go back to the form page and reload it completely in order to submit the form twice. M -Original Message- From: Shahzad.Butt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 9:18 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Prevent Refresh What is best way of preventing multiple entries in DB through form submission when user clicks on REFRESH or BACK button of browser? Thanks Shaz ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: In General: CF vs ActionScript
Well, this is a heady issue that I expect not too many people on this list have a lot of experience with. Now that I work a lot more with CF and Actionscript, I am having to ask the same question, when is it appropriate to process data on the server side and when should you stick with the client. The answer is almost always on the server side, and here's my logic: 1) Flash's performance is hindered by working with large data sets, at least for right now. Parsing large XML documents, retrieving gigantic strucures of data, etc. all take time and adding the overhead of calculations on the data is not worth the impact on users. Flash can slow to a crawl, events can stop firing until long after they were supposed to happen, the movie itself can seem to freeze - and this is just the beginning. Users are not working with RIAs to have to put with this stuff, and developers need to take it seriously. For anything besides the most trivial data sets being sent back to Flash, it makes sense to package the data so that it will be ready for use in the movie. 2) CF is much better at performing calculations than Flash. This may sound like the exact converse of #1, but with the hundreds of functions, tags, and CFSCRIPT, you have many more tools at your disposal than you do in Actionscript. Having to rewrite functions in Actionscript that are already in CF is redundancy considering you are not prevented from working with your data prior to returning it to the Flash client. There are always exceptions to these rules, especially considering the CF side has to scale to accommodate all users with the Flash client. At the same time, I feel preserving the user experience through more work on the server side is superior to sacrificing the qualities that make RIA a more attractive solution in the first place. I would rather add an extra server to handle the load than have a bunch of users who are spending 30% of their time with my app waiting for data to process. M -Original Message- From: E. Keith Dodd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 7:56 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: In General: CF vs ActionScript Am just getting started using ActionScript and Flash Remoting. Am surprised at all that can be done with data using ActionScript. However, it *seems* best to do as much of the data manipulation as possible back in the CFMX's cfc, before sending it to Flash. For example, I am sending a structure to Flash. Use some ActionScript to retrieve from the structure and display. Was using ActionScript to make a determination whether to make a certain button visible based on the date. Realized that I could have made that determination in the CFC and passed it along in the structure. Is it a wise rule of thumb, that all else being equal, use CF rather than ActionScript where possible? Obviously, would depend on specific situation, but in general...? Appreciate any thoughts on this. E. Keith Dodd Wings of Eagles Services www.wingserv.com ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Host with the leader in ColdFusion hosting. Voted #1 ColdFusion host by CF Developers. Offering shared and dedicated hosting options. www.cfxhosting.com/default.cfm?redirect=10481 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Syndicated News Content
Moreover.com is the one I would look at. RSS and XML feeds, along with 'others' for certain services. M -Original Message- From: Chris Alvarado [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 12:25 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: SOT: Syndicated News Content Sorry for the off topic post all. Any recommendations for XML News services for news? Preferabley ones that will allow the specification of the types of news. Thanks all, -chris.alvarado [ application developer ] 4 Guys Interactive, Inc. http://www.4guys.com http://www.4guys.com/ phone: 281.807.4344 x1716 fax: 281.807.4384 We create websites that make you a hero. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Host with the leader in ColdFusion hosting. Voted #1 ColdFusion host by CF Developers. Offering shared and dedicated hosting options. www.cfxhosting.com/default.cfm?redirect=10481 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Tracking Sessions
What strategies does everyone use for tracking who is on your site at a given time? For instance, let's say someone wanted a count of the users who are currently logged in, how should one go about doing this? Currently, what I do is create a application array that stores a username and the time the user last requested a Web page (called tolr). With each page request, the system purges records in the array whose tolr has exceeded the session timeout for the application. This doesn't seem to me like the best way to handle the matter - obviously, users could leave the site long before their tolr runs out. Anyone have any ideas? M ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
