Re: Stus-List Reaching Strut Pole replacement - death roll

[Donald Kern via CnC-List]

Forgot to mention that we still laugh about the second event as the 
helmsman was on his knees behind the wheel, waist deep in water, with 
the white of his eyes showing around his sunglasses. This after a Off 
Soundings race, heading from Gardner's Bay to Block Island, some ten 
years ago.


Don Kern
Fireball C Mk2
Bristol, RI

On 12/7/2018 10:36 PM, Donald Kern via CnC-List wrote:

Been there, done that!

In the two instances was after racing, running home (both times 5 hour 
of sailing), crew relaxing with beers, helmsman being not that 
experienced. Each time dug the pole into the ocean.  First time bent 
the pole's closing pin at the mast and bent the mast fitting, both had 
to be replaced.  Second time we did it, the pole slammed down on the 
life lines to the extend that it pulled the aft pulpit out of the deck 
fittings on the port side, almost lost the #1 genny and the crewman 
lying on it overboard and also put solid water into the cockpit.  For 
a reason I do not understand the that helmsman never sailed with us 
again (his choice).


Don Kern
Fireball C Mk2
Bristol, RI



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Re: Stus-List Reaching Strut Pole replacement - death roll

[Donald Kern via CnC-List]

Been there, done that!

In the two instances was after racing, running home (both times 5 hour 
of sailing), crew relaxing with beers, helmsman being not that 
experienced. Each time dug the pole into the ocean.  First time bent the 
pole's closing pin at the mast and bent the mast fitting, both had to be 
replaced.  Second time we did it, the pole slammed down on the life 
lines to the extend that it pulled the aft pulpit out of the deck 
fittings on the port side, almost lost the #1 genny and the crewman 
lying on it overboard and also put solid water into the cockpit.  For a 
reason I do not understand the that helmsman never sailed with us again 
(his choice).


Don Kern
Fireball C Mk2
Bristol, RI


On 12/7/2018 4:32 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List wrote:
Our rule to minimize the possibility of a death roll is to NEVER, EVER 
let the center seam of the chute be to windward of the forestay in 
heavy breeze.  That's on the guy trimmer.  It's one of the few things 
one can do on Touche' where you get yelled at by me.


Ease the pole forward so the center seam is 1-2 feet to leeward of the 
forestay.  If the boat starts to heel to windward, ease the pole more 
and trim the chute IN, not out. Pulling the chute behind the main will 
lessen the chance of a death roll.  Unfortunately, the natural 
tendency of most trimmers is to ease or release a sail in such a 
situation.  If the chute is eased, it will swing further to windward 
and drag the boat down into a death roll.  Bad, bad scene.


For non-racers, death rolls are scary bad.  They can occur when 
sailing dead downwind with the chute poled out.  The boat can become 
unstable and start into a "windshield wiper" oscillation.  If extreme, 
the boat heels well to windward and the pole enters the water.  The 
speed of the boat can snap the pole's bridle or downhaul and the pole 
will pivot into the shrouds.  It can bring the rig down.


Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA



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Re: Stus-List Spinnaker Running Rigging

[Donald Kern via CnC-List]

Alan, I find that my 35 Mk2 is sensitive to crew forward  of the mast, 
thus the only time I like to have crew forward of the mast is for sail 
set ups and sail changes.  Thus in spinnaker take down I have one person 
in cabin and two hauling the chute down.  Normal racing crew is 6 or 7.  
Also race on a J30 and find on her that crew forward is good and only 
have two aft of the cabin companionway (helm & mainsheet/tactician), 
Normal crew on her is the same, 6 or 7.


Would also like to know what others think about fore-aft trim on the 
older C


Don Kern
Fireball C 35 MK2
Bristol, RI


On 12/7/2018 7:00 PM, ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List wrote:
My arrangement is similar to yours, Don. The spinnaker guy has a 
shackle with a large bale The sheet is attached to the guy and the guy 
is attached to the spinnaker clew. I have a two or three inch diameter 
disk on the guy just aft of the shackle which prevents the shackle 
from getting caught in the jaws of the pole. My guy goes to a pad-eye 
just aft of the shrouds, and the sheet to a block on the rail all the 
way aft. When dropping the chute, we drop it under the jib, and down 
the forward hatch. That keeps the companionway clear, and the 
spinnaker doesn't tangle with the cockpit crew.


Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR


  Don Kern via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>


1:08 PM (2 hours ago)


Reply
to cnc-list, Don

I race quite a bit (more than I cruise) and I have not used the 
reaching strut in years, though it carried below on the shelf above 
the v-berth.  We use both a sheet and a guy attached to each clue. The 
sheet is lead to a turning blocks at the aft most opening on the toe 
rail, the guy is lead to a snatch block on the toe rail about a foot 
aft of the lower-aft shroud, then inboard aft to the cockpit.  In 
light air we will drop the guy and just go with the sheet.  The 
shackle of the guy is normally hooked into the ring of the sheet's 
shackle. For spinnaker take downs we grab the lazy guy, easy since 
there is no tension on it, lead it over the life line down the 
companionway into cabin. Then let the pole go forward and blow the 
sheet's shackle (guy is hooked into the sheet) and haul the chute down 
behind the main. Two other advantages with this arrangement is that 
with the guy led into the toe rail amidships it also acts as a pole 
downhaul and when running dead before the wind, in very heavy blow we 
choke the spinnaker with the lazy guy to inhibit death roles.


Don Kern
Fireball C MK2
Bristol, RI

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Re: Stus-List Logo mugs

[Chris Graham via CnC-List]

Awesome!!!


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On Friday, December 7, 2018, 8:03 PM, Ken Heaton via CnC-List 
 wrote:

...and here is everything else they've come up with so far: 
https://maritimetees.net/search?q=C%26C
Ken H.
On Fri, 7 Dec 2018 at 21:00, Ken Heaton  wrote:

Hats are here: https://maritimetees.net/products/c-c-yachts-hat
Ken H.
On Fri, 7 Dec 2018 at 11:04, Chris Graham via CnC-List  
wrote:


Hi listers! 
Quick question for anyone out there who might know if there might be C logo 
mugs available or even regatta hats with the C logo? 
I still have my collection of Sabre and Albin Vega mugs, hats and tee shirts. 
I’d love to get some coffee mugs for the boat.
Café Press had the Vega mugs but I couldn’t find and C designs of any kind on 
that site 
Chris 1978 C 26 “Papillon”Hull # 094

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Re: Stus-List Logo mugs

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

...and here is everything else they've come up with so far:
https://maritimetees.net/search?q=C%26C

Ken H.

On Fri, 7 Dec 2018 at 21:00, Ken Heaton  wrote:

> Hats are here: https://maritimetees.net/products/c-c-yachts-hat
>
> Ken H.
>
> On Fri, 7 Dec 2018 at 11:04, Chris Graham via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi listers!
>>
>> Quick question for anyone out there who might know if there might be C
>> logo mugs available or even regatta hats with the C logo?
>>
>> I still have my collection of Sabre and Albin Vega mugs, hats and tee
>> shirts. I’d love to get some coffee mugs for the boat.
>>
>> Café Press had the Vega mugs but I couldn’t find and C designs of any
>> kind on that site
>>
>> Chris
>> 1978 C 26 “Papillon”
>> Hull # 094
>>
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone 
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Re: Stus-List Logo mugs

[Chris Graham via CnC-List]

Perfect!!!ThanksChris 


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On Friday, December 7, 2018, 8:00 PM, Ken Heaton via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Hats are here: https://maritimetees.net/products/c-c-yachts-hat
Ken H.
On Fri, 7 Dec 2018 at 11:04, Chris Graham via CnC-List  
wrote:


Hi listers! 
Quick question for anyone out there who might know if there might be C logo 
mugs available or even regatta hats with the C logo? 
I still have my collection of Sabre and Albin Vega mugs, hats and tee shirts. 
I’d love to get some coffee mugs for the boat.
Café Press had the Vega mugs but I couldn’t find and C designs of any kind on 
that site 
Chris 1978 C 26 “Papillon”Hull # 094

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Re: Stus-List Logo mugs

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

Hats are here: https://maritimetees.net/products/c-c-yachts-hat

Ken H.

On Fri, 7 Dec 2018 at 11:04, Chris Graham via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>
> Hi listers!
>
> Quick question for anyone out there who might know if there might be C
> logo mugs available or even regatta hats with the C logo?
>
> I still have my collection of Sabre and Albin Vega mugs, hats and tee
> shirts. I’d love to get some coffee mugs for the boat.
>
> Café Press had the Vega mugs but I couldn’t find and C designs of any
> kind on that site
>
> Chris
> 1978 C 26 “Papillon”
> Hull # 094
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone 
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Re: Stus-List Logo mugs

[Bruce Vineberg via CnC-List]

Ok.  What is price?


Bruce Vineberg
VICON REAL ESTATE SERVICES INC.
Vicon Construction Enr.
334-300 RUE BERGE DU 
CANAL
LACHINE, QUEBEC
H8R 1H3
RBQ 5614 6228 01
514 987 0052
514 236 3767 cell
www.vicon.ca

On Dec 7, 2018, at 3:33 PM, Chris Graham 
mailto:sabre28...@yahoo.com>> wrote:

Hey Bruce!
I don’t need 10 mugs but could split them with you ?
Chris


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On Friday, December 7, 2018, 12:06 PM, Bruce Vineberg via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

I am interested. Are still for sale?


Bruce Vineberg


[cid:]

VICON REAL ESTATE SERVICES INC.

VICON CONSTRUCTION

334-300 RUE BERGE DU CANAL

LACHINE, QUEBEC

H8R 1H3

RBQ 5614 6228 01

514 987 0052 ph
514 221 4302 fax
514 236 3767 cell

br...@vicon.ca
WWW.VICON.CA
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On Dec 7, 2018, at 11:33 AM, Robert Gallagher 
mailto:trys...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I have 10 or so new in the box, old stock C logo mugs and a license plate 
frame (new) and a used license plate frame.

Someone make me an offer for all.
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Stus-List Spinnaker Running Rigging

[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

My arrangement is similar to yours, Don. The spinnaker guy has a shackle
with a large bale The sheet is attached to the guy and the guy is attached
to the spinnaker clew. I have a two or three inch diameter disk on the guy
just aft of the shackle which prevents the shackle from getting caught in
the jaws of the pole. My guy goes to a pad-eye just aft of the shrouds, and
the sheet to a block on the rail all the way aft. When dropping the chute,
we drop it under the jib, and down the forward hatch. That keeps the
companionway clear, and the spinnaker doesn't tangle with the cockpit crew.

Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR
Don Kern via CnC-List 
1:08 PM (2 hours ago)
Reply
to cnc-list, Don

I race quite a bit (more than I cruise) and I have not used the reaching
strut in years, though it carried below on the shelf above the v-berth.  We
use both a sheet and a guy attached to each clue.  The sheet is lead to a
turning blocks at the aft most opening on the toe rail, the guy is lead to
a snatch block on the toe rail about a foot aft of the lower-aft shroud,
then inboard aft to the cockpit.  In light air we will drop the guy and
just go with the sheet.  The shackle of the guy is normally hooked into the
ring of the sheet's shackle. For spinnaker take downs we grab the lazy guy,
easy since there is no tension on it, lead it over the life line down the
companionway into cabin. Then let the pole go forward and blow the sheet's
shackle (guy is hooked into the sheet) and haul the chute down behind the
main. Two other advantages with this arrangement is that with the guy led
into the toe rail amidships it also acts as a pole downhaul and when
running dead before the wind, in very heavy blow we choke the spinnaker
with the lazy guy to inhibit death roles.
Don Kern
Fireball C MK2
Bristol, RI
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Stus-List tus-List C Logo mugs

[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

You were holding them up side down...that's 
probably why the stuff kept falling out.


Have a great weekend all.,..


At 01:02 PM 12/7/2018, you wrote:

Message: 4
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2018 21:01:40 + (UTC)
From: Richard Bush 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List C Logo mugs
Message-ID: <634108762.647919.1544216500...@mail.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

 Guys, those mugs aren't all that great, I 
bought some? a few years back and when I got 
them they were empty!? I was sure there would 
be some coffee or tea, or ; (OK, it is Friday after all...)


Richard
 s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596:

Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462


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SV Alera
C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
(206) 463-9200
www.sv-alera.com


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Re: Stus-List Reaching Strut Pole replacement - death roll

[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

In addition to what Don said, using the lazy guy instead of the sheet,
pulls the clew down, and then you can even the clews by moving the pole
down at the mast,  easing the topping lift and tightening the foreguy. All
of these adjustments move the center of effort down, further lessening the
oscillations.

Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR



On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 1:33 PM Dennis C. via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Our rule to minimize the possibility of a death roll is to NEVER, EVER let
> the center seam of the chute be to windward of the forestay in heavy
> breeze.  That's on the guy trimmer.  It's one of the few things one can do
> on Touche' where you get yelled at by me.
>
> Ease the pole forward so the center seam is 1-2 feet to leeward of the
> forestay.  If the boat starts to heel to windward, ease the pole more and
> trim the chute IN, not out.  Pulling the chute behind the main will lessen
> the chance of a death roll.  Unfortunately, the natural tendency of most
> trimmers is to ease or release a sail in such a situation.  If the chute is
> eased, it will swing further to windward and drag the boat down into a
> death roll.  Bad, bad scene.
>
> For non-racers, death rolls are scary bad.  They can occur when sailing
> dead downwind with the chute poled out.  The boat can become unstable and
> start into a "windshield wiper" oscillation.  If extreme, the boat heels
> well to windward and the pole enters the water.  The speed of the boat can
> snap the pole's bridle or downhaul and the pole will pivot into the
> shrouds.  It can bring the rig down.
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
> On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 3:08 PM Don Kern via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Two other advantages with this arrangement is that with the guy led into
>> the toe rail amidships it also acts as a pole downhaul and when running
>> dead before the wind, in very heavy blow we choke the spinnaker with the
>> lazy guy to inhibit death roles.
>> Don Kern
>> Fireball C MK2
>> Bristol, RI
>>
>>
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Re: Stus-List Reaching Strut Pole replacement

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

Jockey poles and reaching struts are the same thing, and legal.  I’ll take it.

From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2018 5:36 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Bill Coleman 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Reaching Strut Pole replacement

These are what I consider outriggers.

 

https://www.cnn.com/videos/sports/2017/01/20/vendee-globe-armel-le-cleach-around-the-world-solo-sailing-race-world-record-mainsail-orig.cnn

 

Does that mean you don’t want my strut?

 

Bill Coleman

C 39 Erie, PA

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Matthew L. 
Wolford via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2018 5:19 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Matthew L. Wolford
Subject: Re: Stus-List Reaching Strut Pole replacement

 

FYI, from the RRS interpretative case law:

 

Case 97 

Rule 50.3, Setting and Sheeting Sails: Use of Outriggers

A jockey pole attached to a spinnaker guy is not an outrigger.

 

Question

Is a jockey pole (a pole that exerts outward pressure on the line that controls 
the fore and aft position of a spinnaker pole) an outrigger?

 

Answer

No. When a spinnaker pole is set, the line that controls the fore and aft 
position of that pole is a guy, not a sheet. A jockey pole putting outward 
pressure on a guy is therefore not an outrigger, defined by rule 50.3(a) as a 
"fitting or device" that exerts "outward pressure on a sheet or sail".

 

I believe what the case refers to as a “jockey pole” is the same thing as a 
“reaching strut.”

 

From: Michael Brown via CnC-List 

Sent: Friday, December 07, 2018 4:16 PM

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 

Cc: Michael Brown 

Subject: Re: Stus-List Reaching Strut Pole replacement

 

I had taken it from the RRS 50.3 that a reaching strut in not allowed in a race.

 

Michael Brown

Windburn

C 30-1

 

 

 

  Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2018 13:53:44 -0500 
  From: "Matthew L. Wolford"  


  Yes, the inboard end attaches to a fitting (usually a ring) on the mast.  
There should be a fitting on each side, as you noted.  The guy runs through the 
outboard end of the strut.  The purpose is to improve the sheeting angle on a 
pole as it is let forward.  (By the time the pole is near the headstay, the guy 
is pulling almost straight back.)  An added benefit is that it prevents 
unwanted stress on the stanchions due to the guy pushing inward.  Given the 
large loads on my boat, it comes in very handy.  If I didn?t race the boat from 
time to time, it would probably stay in the storage locker. 




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Re: Stus-List Reaching Strut Pole replacement

[Michael Brown via CnC-List]

The topic of outriggers came up a while back and I asked specifically about any 
disclaimers
for a reaching strut. I agree that it is a safety and rigging saving 
consideration as opposed to
something that improves performance. I have not found an exception so it looks 
like it falls
under the outrigger classification.


Telling racers that they cannot lean over the lifelines and hold a jib out 
because outriggers
are not permitted usually draws a blank stare also.


Somewhat related are other clubs appointing a technical committee in observance 
of
RRS 60.4?  I am the PHRF handicapper at a Toronto club, the National Yacht 
Club, so
took on that role also. No protests so far, I felt that gentle education of the 
rules was
required first. We have about 200 senior members ( skippers ) and got just over 
90
PHRF certificates issued this year. Experience levels range from the world 
champions
in the Beneteau First 36.7 OD, first in IRC and LO300 to never have raced 
before.


It makes deciding on what to enforce a bit difficult. Particularly when it 
doesn't make sense.


Michael Brown
Windburn
C 30-1








Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2018 17:05:25 -0500 
From: "Matthew L. Wolford"  

I was unaware of this Rule, which I just reviewed.  It doesn?t make sense to me 
to bar a reaching strut, but it sure looks like you are correct. 
 
From: Michael Brown via CnC-List  
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2018 4:16 PM 

 
I had taken it from the RRS 50.3 that a reaching strut in not allowed in a 
race. 
 
Michael Brown 
Windburn 
C 30-1 
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Re: Stus-List Reaching Strut Pole replacement

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

These are what I consider outriggers.

 

https://www.cnn.com/videos/sports/2017/01/20/vendee-globe-armel-le-cleach-around-the-world-solo-sailing-race-world-record-mainsail-orig.cnn

 

Does that mean you don’t want my strut?

 

Bill Coleman

C 39 Erie, PAanimated_favicon1

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Matthew L. 
Wolford via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2018 5:19 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Matthew L. Wolford
Subject: Re: Stus-List Reaching Strut Pole replacement

 

FYI, from the RRS interpretative case law:

 

Case 97 

Rule 50.3, Setting and Sheeting Sails: Use of Outriggers

A jockey pole attached to a spinnaker guy is not an outrigger.

 

Question

Is a jockey pole (a pole that exerts outward pressure on the line that controls 
the fore and aft position of a spinnaker pole) an outrigger?

 

Answer

No. When a spinnaker pole is set, the line that controls the fore and aft 
position of that pole is a guy, not a sheet. A jockey pole putting outward 
pressure on a guy is therefore not an outrigger, defined by rule 50.3(a) as a 
"fitting or device" that exerts "outward pressure on a sheet or sail".

 

I believe what the case refers to as a “jockey pole” is the same thing as a 
“reaching strut.”

 

From: Michael Brown   via CnC-List 

Sent: Friday, December 07, 2018 4:16 PM

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 

Cc: Michael Brown   

Subject: Re: Stus-List Reaching Strut Pole replacement

 

I had taken it from the RRS 50.3 that a reaching strut in not allowed in a race.

 

Michael Brown

Windburn

C 30-1

 

 

 

Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2018 13:53:44 -0500 
From: "Matthew L. Wolford"  


Yes, the inboard end attaches to a fitting (usually a ring) on the mast.  There 
should be a fitting on each side, as you noted.  The guy runs through the 
outboard end of the strut.  The purpose is to improve the sheeting angle on a 
pole as it is let forward.  (By the time the pole is near the headstay, the guy 
is pulling almost straight back.)  An added benefit is that it prevents 
unwanted stress on the stanchions due to the guy pushing inward.  Given the 
large loads on my boat, it comes in very handy.  If I didn?t race the boat from 
time to time, it would probably stay in the storage locker. 

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Re: Stus-List Reaching Strut Pole replacement

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

FYI, from the RRS interpretative case law:

Case 97 
Rule 50.3, Setting and Sheeting Sails: Use of Outriggers
A jockey pole attached to a spinnaker guy is not an outrigger.

Question
Is a jockey pole (a pole that exerts outward pressure on the line that controls 
the fore and aft position of a spinnaker pole) an outrigger?


Answer
No. When a spinnaker pole is set, the line that controls the fore and aft 
position of that pole is a guy, not a sheet. A jockey pole putting outward 
pressure on a guy is therefore not an outrigger, defined by rule 50.3(a) as a 
"fitting or device" that exerts "outward pressure on a sheet or sail".

I believe what the case refers to as a “jockey pole” is the same thing as a 
“reaching strut.”

From: Michael Brown via CnC-List 
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2018 4:16 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Michael Brown 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Reaching Strut Pole replacement

I had taken it from the RRS 50.3 that a reaching strut in not allowed in a race.

Michael Brown
Windburn
C 30-1




  Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2018 13:53:44 -0500 
  From: "Matthew L. Wolford"  


  Yes, the inboard end attaches to a fitting (usually a ring) on the mast.  
There should be a fitting on each side, as you noted.  The guy runs through the 
outboard end of the strut.  The purpose is to improve the sheeting angle on a 
pole as it is let forward.  (By the time the pole is near the headstay, the guy 
is pulling almost straight back.)  An added benefit is that it prevents 
unwanted stress on the stanchions due to the guy pushing inward.  Given the 
large loads on my boat, it comes in very handy.  If I didn?t race the boat from 
time to time, it would probably stay in the storage locker. 





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Re: Stus-List Reaching Strut Pole replacement

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

I was unaware of this Rule, which I just reviewed.  It doesn’t make sense to me 
to bar a reaching strut, but it sure looks like you are correct.

From: Michael Brown via CnC-List 
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2018 4:16 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Michael Brown 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Reaching Strut Pole replacement

I had taken it from the RRS 50.3 that a reaching strut in not allowed in a race.

Michael Brown
Windburn
C 30-1




  Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2018 13:53:44 -0500 
  From: "Matthew L. Wolford"  


  Yes, the inboard end attaches to a fitting (usually a ring) on the mast.  
There should be a fitting on each side, as you noted.  The guy runs through the 
outboard end of the strut.  The purpose is to improve the sheeting angle on a 
pole as it is let forward.  (By the time the pole is near the headstay, the guy 
is pulling almost straight back.)  An added benefit is that it prevents 
unwanted stress on the stanchions due to the guy pushing inward.  Given the 
large loads on my boat, it comes in very handy.  If I didn?t race the boat from 
time to time, it would probably stay in the storage locker. 





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Re: Stus-List Reaching Strut Pole replacement - death roll

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

I’m getting nervous just sitting here reading about it.  In my view, it’s the 
scariest part of racing, and C of our vintage – at least mine – get pushed 
around by quartering waves, making a round up more likely.

From: Dennis C. via CnC-List 
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2018 4:32 PM
To: CnClist 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Reaching Strut Pole replacement - death roll

Our rule to minimize the possibility of a death roll is to NEVER, EVER let the 
center seam of the chute be to windward of the forestay in heavy breeze.  
That's on the guy trimmer.  It's one of the few things one can do on Touche' 
where you get yelled at by me. 

Ease the pole forward so the center seam is 1-2 feet to leeward of the 
forestay.  If the boat starts to heel to windward, ease the pole more and trim 
the chute IN, not out.  Pulling the chute behind the main will lessen the 
chance of a death roll.  Unfortunately, the natural tendency of most trimmers 
is to ease or release a sail in such a situation.  If the chute is eased, it 
will swing further to windward and drag the boat down into a death roll.  Bad, 
bad scene.

For non-racers, death rolls are scary bad.  They can occur when sailing dead 
downwind with the chute poled out.  The boat can become unstable and start into 
a "windshield wiper" oscillation.  If extreme, the boat heels well to windward 
and the pole enters the water.  The speed of the boat can snap the pole's 
bridle or downhaul and the pole will pivot into the shrouds.  It can bring the 
rig down.


Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA


On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 3:08 PM Don Kern via CnC-List  
wrote:

  Two other advantages with this arrangement is that with the guy led into the 
toe rail amidships it also acts as a pole downhaul and when running dead before 
the wind, in very heavy blow we choke the spinnaker with the lazy guy to 
inhibit death roles.


  Don Kern
  Fireball C MK2
  Bristol, RI







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Re: Stus-List Reaching Strut Pole replacement

[schiller via CnC-List]

I have a reaching strut out in the pole barn from my old Redwing 35 (C 
35-1).  It breaks down into three pieces.  Anyone that is willing to pay 
shipping cost, it's yours.


Neil Schiller
C 35-3, #028, "Grace"
Whitehall, Michigan
WLYC

On 12/7/2018 12:03 PM, Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List wrote:

Listers:
    Different topic for the collective wisdom of the group.  The 
reaching strut that came with my boat did not match up with the deck 
mounts, both in terms of the end fittings and pole length.  I bought 
replacement deck mount fittings and was going to mount them closer 
together, but decided to study the issue to try to figure out why a 
prior owner shortened the strut (and whether a longer strut is 
necessary).  We concluded this past summer that: a) the extra foot or 
so of length will definitely help protect the aft stanchions much 
better; and b) the prior owner probably broke the original strut and 
decided to rebuild it using the undamaged portion (or obtained a 
replacement strut from someone else).
    The tubing is 3 1/2”.  I am only aware of Forespar selling this 
type/size tubing.  I need about 6 1/2’ of tubing, but the shortest 
length Forespar sells is 12 feet, which is expensive.  Shipping is 
also expensive, even if the pole is cut to the desired length.  I 
really don’t want to spend $500 or so to extend the reaching strut to 
its original length.  Suggestions?

    Matt Wolford
    C 42 Custom
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Re: Stus-List Reaching Strut Pole replacement - death roll

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Our rule to minimize the possibility of a death roll is to NEVER, EVER let
the center seam of the chute be to windward of the forestay in heavy
breeze.  That's on the guy trimmer.  It's one of the few things one can do
on Touche' where you get yelled at by me.

Ease the pole forward so the center seam is 1-2 feet to leeward of the
forestay.  If the boat starts to heel to windward, ease the pole more and
trim the chute IN, not out.  Pulling the chute behind the main will lessen
the chance of a death roll.  Unfortunately, the natural tendency of most
trimmers is to ease or release a sail in such a situation.  If the chute is
eased, it will swing further to windward and drag the boat down into a
death roll.  Bad, bad scene.

For non-racers, death rolls are scary bad.  They can occur when sailing
dead downwind with the chute poled out.  The boat can become unstable and
start into a "windshield wiper" oscillation.  If extreme, the boat heels
well to windward and the pole enters the water.  The speed of the boat can
snap the pole's bridle or downhaul and the pole will pivot into the
shrouds.  It can bring the rig down.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 3:08 PM Don Kern via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Two other advantages with this arrangement is that with the guy led into
> the toe rail amidships it also acts as a pole downhaul and when running
> dead before the wind, in very heavy blow we choke the spinnaker with the
> lazy guy to inhibit death roles.
> Don Kern
> Fireball C MK2
> Bristol, RI
>
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Reaching Strut Pole replacement

[Michael Brown via CnC-List]

I had taken it from the RRS 50.3 that a reaching strut in not allowed in a race.


Michael Brown
Windburn
C 30-1







Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2018 13:53:44 -0500 
From: "Matthew L. Wolford"  

 
Yes, the inboard end attaches to a fitting (usually a ring) on the mast.  There 
should be a fitting on each side, as you noted.  The guy runs through the 
outboard end of the strut.  The purpose is to improve the sheeting angle on a 
pole as it is let forward.  (By the time the pole is near the headstay, the guy 
is pulling almost straight back.)  An added benefit is that it prevents 
unwanted stress on the stanchions due to the guy pushing inward.  Given the 
large loads on my boat, it comes in very handy.  If I didn?t race the boat from 
time to time, it would probably stay in the storage locker. 
 
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Re: Stus-List Reaching Strut Pole replacement

[Don Kern via CnC-List]

I race quite a bit (more than I cruise) and I have not used the reaching 
strut in years, though it carried below on the shelf above the v-berth.  
We use both a sheet and a guy attached to each clue.  The sheet is lead 
to a turning blocks at the aft most opening on the toe rail, the guy is 
lead to a snatch block on the toe rail about a foot aft of the lower-aft 
shroud, then inboard aft to the cockpit.  In light air we will drop the 
guy and just go with the sheet.  The shackle of the guy is normally 
hooked into the ring of the sheet's shackle. For spinnaker take downs we 
grab the lazy guy, easy since there is no tension on it, lead it over 
the life line down the companionway into cabin. Then let the pole go 
forward and blow the sheet's shackle (guy is hooked into the sheet) and 
haul the chute down behind the main. Two other advantages with this 
arrangement is that with the guy led into the toe rail amidships it also 
acts as a pole downhaul and when running dead before the wind, in very 
heavy blow we choke the spinnaker with the lazy guy to inhibit death roles.


Don Kern
Fireball C MK2
Bristol, RI
On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 11:04 AM Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


   Listers:
    Different topic for the collective wisdom of the group.  The
   reaching strut that came with my boat did not match up with the deck
   mounts, both in terms of the end fittings and pole length.  I bought
   replacement deck mount fittings and was going to mount them closer
   together, but decided to study the issue to try to figure out why a
   prior owner shortened the strut (and whether a longer strut is
   necessary).  We concluded this past summer that: a) the extra foot
   or so of length will definitely help protect the aft stanchions much
   better; and b) the prior owner probably broke the original strut and
   decided to rebuild it using the undamaged portion (or obtained a
   replacement strut from someone else).
    The tubing is 3 1/2”.  I am only aware of Forespar selling this
   type/size tubing.  I need about 6 1/2’ of tubing, but the shortest
   length Forespar sells is 12 feet, which is expensive.  Shipping is
   also expensive, even if the pole is cut to the desired length.  I
   really don’t want to spend $500 or so to extend the reaching strut
   to its original length. Suggestions?
    Matt Wolford
    C 42 Custom
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Re: Stus-List C Logo mugs

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 Guys, those mugs aren't all that great, I bought some  a few years back and 
when I got them they were empty!  I was sure there would be some coffee or tea, 
or ; (OK, it is Friday after all...)
 
Richard
 s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596:

Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine 
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255 
 
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From: Chris Graham via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Chris Graham 
Sent: Fri, Dec 7, 2018 3:36 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List C Logo mugs

Thanks Steve!!!Chris 


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Re: Stus-List Reaching Strut Pole replacement

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

Yes, the inboard end attaches to a fitting (usually a ring) on the mast.  There 
should be a fitting on each side, as you noted.  The guy runs through the 
outboard end of the strut.  The purpose is to improve the sheeting angle on a 
pole as it is let forward.  (By the time the pole is near the headstay, the guy 
is pulling almost straight back.)  An added benefit is that it prevents 
unwanted stress on the stanchions due to the guy pushing inward.  Given the 
large loads on my boat, it comes in very handy.  If I didn’t race the boat from 
time to time, it would probably stay in the storage locker.

From: dwight veinot via CnC-List 
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2018 1:31 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: dwight veinot 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Reaching Strut Pole replacement

I got a reaching strut with Alianna. Never used it but i thought its inboard 
end was supposed to attach to a ring on the mast. I have 2 rings one on either 
side of the mastthat seem like they were there for that purpose. Also got a 
blooper and also never used that. I am down to using only 2 sails nowadays my 
RF 135 and the mainsail if i am not to lazy to hoist it in which case just the 
RF 135.  Many of u sail that way

On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 2:23 PM Dennis C. via CnC-List  
wrote:

  No clue.  You can always paint it.

  Dennis C.

  On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 11:34 AM Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List 
 wrote:

That’s awesome – thanks.  Do you know if it’s similar grade (thickness) and 
anodized?

From: Dennis C. via CnC-List 
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2018 12:27 PM
To: CnClist 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Reaching Strut Pole replacement

BTW, you can buy 7 feet of 3.5 aluminum tubing for $102 online at: 


https://www.onlinemetals.com/merchant.cfm?pid=4740=4=inches=71_cat=0


Just make sure you are buying the correct ID and OD.

Dennis C.

On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 11:04 AM Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List 
 wrote:

  Listers:

  Different topic for the collective wisdom of the group.  The reaching 
strut that came with my boat did not match up with the deck mounts, both in 
terms of the end fittings and pole length.  I bought replacement deck mount 
fittings and was going to mount them closer together, but decided to study the 
issue to try to figure out why a prior owner shortened the strut (and whether a 
longer strut is necessary).  We concluded this past summer that: a) the extra 
foot or so of length will definitely help protect the aft stanchions much 
better; and b) the prior owner probably broke the original strut and decided to 
rebuild it using the undamaged portion (or obtained a replacement strut from 
someone else).

  The tubing is 3 1/2”.  I am only aware of Forespar selling this 
type/size tubing.  I need about 6 1/2’ of tubing, but the shortest length 
Forespar sells is 12 feet, which is expensive.  Shipping is also expensive, 
even if the pole is cut to the desired length.  I really don’t want to spend 
$500 or so to extend the reaching strut to its original length.  Suggestions?

  Matt Wolford
  C 42 Custom






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Re: Stus-List Reaching Strut Pole replacement

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

I got a reaching strut with Alianna. Never used it but i thought its
inboard end was supposed to attach to a ring on the mast. I have 2 rings
one on either side of the mastthat seem like they were there for that
purpose. Also got a blooper and also never used that. I am down to using
only 2 sails nowadays my RF 135 and the mainsail if i am not to lazy to
hoist it in which case just the RF 135.  Many of u sail that way

On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 2:23 PM Dennis C. via CnC-List 
wrote:

> No clue.  You can always paint it.
>
> Dennis C.
>
> On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 11:34 AM Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> That’s awesome – thanks.  Do you know if it’s similar grade (thickness)
>> and anodized?
>>
>> *From:* Dennis C. via CnC-List 
>> *Sent:* Friday, December 07, 2018 12:27 PM
>> *To:* CnClist 
>> *Cc:* Dennis C. 
>> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Reaching Strut Pole replacement
>>
>> BTW, you can buy 7 feet of 3.5 aluminum tubing for $102 online at:
>>
>>
>> https://www.onlinemetals.com/merchant.cfm?pid=4740=4=inches=71_cat=0
>>
>> Just make sure you are buying the correct ID and OD.
>>
>> Dennis C.
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 11:04 AM Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Listers:
>>>
>>> Different topic for the collective wisdom of the group.  The
>>> reaching strut that came with my boat did not match up with the deck
>>> mounts, both in terms of the end fittings and pole length.  I bought
>>> replacement deck mount fittings and was going to mount them closer
>>> together, but decided to study the issue to try to figure out why a prior
>>> owner shortened the strut (and whether a longer strut is necessary).  We
>>> concluded this past summer that: a) the extra foot or so of length will
>>> definitely help protect the aft stanchions much better; and b) the prior
>>> owner probably broke the original strut and decided to rebuild it using the
>>> undamaged portion (or obtained a replacement strut from someone else).
>>>
>>> The tubing is 3 1/2”.  I am only aware of Forespar selling this
>>> type/size tubing.  I need about 6 1/2’ of tubing, but the shortest length
>>> Forespar sells is 12 feet, which is expensive.  Shipping is also expensive,
>>> even if the pole is cut to the desired length.  I really don’t want to
>>> spend $500 or so to extend the reaching strut to its original length.
>>> Suggestions?
>>>
>>> Matt Wolford
>>> C 42 Custom
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: Stus-List Reaching Strut Pole replacement

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

No clue.  You can always paint it.

Dennis C.

On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 11:34 AM Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> That’s awesome – thanks.  Do you know if it’s similar grade (thickness)
> and anodized?
>
> *From:* Dennis C. via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Friday, December 07, 2018 12:27 PM
> *To:* CnClist 
> *Cc:* Dennis C. 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Reaching Strut Pole replacement
>
> BTW, you can buy 7 feet of 3.5 aluminum tubing for $102 online at:
>
>
> https://www.onlinemetals.com/merchant.cfm?pid=4740=4=inches=71_cat=0
>
> Just make sure you are buying the correct ID and OD.
>
> Dennis C.
>
> On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 11:04 AM Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Listers:
>>
>> Different topic for the collective wisdom of the group.  The reaching
>> strut that came with my boat did not match up with the deck mounts, both in
>> terms of the end fittings and pole length.  I bought replacement deck mount
>> fittings and was going to mount them closer together, but decided to study
>> the issue to try to figure out why a prior owner shortened the strut (and
>> whether a longer strut is necessary).  We concluded this past summer that:
>> a) the extra foot or so of length will definitely help protect the aft
>> stanchions much better; and b) the prior owner probably broke the original
>> strut and decided to rebuild it using the undamaged portion (or obtained a
>> replacement strut from someone else).
>>
>> The tubing is 3 1/2”.  I am only aware of Forespar selling this
>> type/size tubing.  I need about 6 1/2’ of tubing, but the shortest length
>> Forespar sells is 12 feet, which is expensive.  Shipping is also expensive,
>> even if the pole is cut to the desired length.  I really don’t want to
>> spend $500 or so to extend the reaching strut to its original length.
>> Suggestions?
>>
>> Matt Wolford
>> C 42 Custom
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Stus-List Reaching Strut Pole replacement

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Touche' has a very narrow stern so similar issue finding a fair lead for
the guy.  Touche' has a pad eye on the aft corner of the cockpit coaming
where we attach a block to turn the guy to the winch.  See:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1ODrgzRQCFXcsabqslzNpjvXiCGEGly5C

It isn't entirely fair but it works.  Other choice would be the toe rail.

The twing is attached to the toe rail near the widest beam.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 11:33 AM Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> My boat’s pretty beamy (round) in the middle.  I think if I
> tweaked/twinged it would solve the stanchion issue from the tweak point
> forward, but I would need to re-run the line to avoid the same problem from
> the tweak point back to the winches.
>
> *From:* Dennis C. via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Friday, December 07, 2018 12:23 PM
> *To:* CnClist 
> *Cc:* Dennis C. 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Reaching Strut Pole replacement
>
> I sold Touche's reaching strut to a fellow lister.  He never used it.
>
> We use tweakers (twings).
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
> On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 11:04 AM Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Listers:
>>
>> Different topic for the collective wisdom of the group.  The reaching
>> strut that came with my boat did not match up with the deck mounts, both in
>> terms of the end fittings and pole length.  I bought replacement deck mount
>> fittings and was going to mount them closer together, but decided to study
>> the issue to try to figure out why a prior owner shortened the strut (and
>> whether a longer strut is necessary).  We concluded this past summer that:
>> a) the extra foot or so of length will definitely help protect the aft
>> stanchions much better; and b) the prior owner probably broke the original
>> strut and decided to rebuild it using the undamaged portion (or obtained a
>> replacement strut from someone else).
>>
>> The tubing is 3 1/2”.  I am only aware of Forespar selling this
>> type/size tubing.  I need about 6 1/2’ of tubing, but the shortest length
>> Forespar sells is 12 feet, which is expensive.  Shipping is also expensive,
>> even if the pole is cut to the desired length.  I really don’t want to
>> spend $500 or so to extend the reaching strut to its original length.
>> Suggestions?
>>
>> Matt Wolford
>> C 42 Custom
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Stus-List Reaching Strut Pole replacement

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

That’s awesome – thanks.  Do you know if it’s similar grade (thickness) and 
anodized?

From: Dennis C. via CnC-List 
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2018 12:27 PM
To: CnClist 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Reaching Strut Pole replacement

BTW, you can buy 7 feet of 3.5 aluminum tubing for $102 online at: 

https://www.onlinemetals.com/merchant.cfm?pid=4740=4=inches=71_cat=0


Just make sure you are buying the correct ID and OD.

Dennis C.

On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 11:04 AM Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List 
 wrote:

  Listers:

  Different topic for the collective wisdom of the group.  The reaching 
strut that came with my boat did not match up with the deck mounts, both in 
terms of the end fittings and pole length.  I bought replacement deck mount 
fittings and was going to mount them closer together, but decided to study the 
issue to try to figure out why a prior owner shortened the strut (and whether a 
longer strut is necessary).  We concluded this past summer that: a) the extra 
foot or so of length will definitely help protect the aft stanchions much 
better; and b) the prior owner probably broke the original strut and decided to 
rebuild it using the undamaged portion (or obtained a replacement strut from 
someone else).

  The tubing is 3 1/2”.  I am only aware of Forespar selling this type/size 
tubing.  I need about 6 1/2’ of tubing, but the shortest length Forespar sells 
is 12 feet, which is expensive.  Shipping is also expensive, even if the pole 
is cut to the desired length.  I really don’t want to spend $500 or so to 
extend the reaching strut to its original length.  Suggestions?

  Matt Wolford
  C 42 Custom






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Re: Stus-List Reaching Strut Pole replacement

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Lots of old spin poles at places like Bacon's.  Cut one down, switch ends.

But a new tube might be cheaper.

On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 12:28 PM Dennis C. via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> BTW, you can buy 7 feet of 3.5 aluminum tubing for $102 online at:
>
>
> https://www.onlinemetals.com/merchant.cfm?pid=4740=4=inches=71_cat=0
>
> Just make sure you are buying the correct ID and OD.
>
> Dennis C.
>
> On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 11:04 AM Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Listers:
>>
>> Different topic for the collective wisdom of the group.  The reaching
>> strut that came with my boat did not match up with the deck mounts, both in
>> terms of the end fittings and pole length.  I bought replacement deck mount
>> fittings and was going to mount them closer together, but decided to study
>> the issue to try to figure out why a prior owner shortened the strut (and
>> whether a longer strut is necessary).  We concluded this past summer that:
>> a) the extra foot or so of length will definitely help protect the aft
>> stanchions much better; and b) the prior owner probably broke the original
>> strut and decided to rebuild it using the undamaged portion (or obtained a
>> replacement strut from someone else).
>>
>> The tubing is 3 1/2”.  I am only aware of Forespar selling this
>> type/size tubing.  I need about 6 1/2’ of tubing, but the shortest length
>> Forespar sells is 12 feet, which is expensive.  Shipping is also expensive,
>> even if the pole is cut to the desired length.  I really don’t want to
>> spend $500 or so to extend the reaching strut to its original length.
>> Suggestions?
>>
>> Matt Wolford
>> C 42 Custom
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Stus-List Reaching Strut Pole replacement

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

My boat’s pretty beamy (round) in the middle.  I think if I tweaked/twinged it 
would solve the stanchion issue from the tweak point forward, but I would need 
to re-run the line to avoid the same problem from the tweak point back to the 
winches.

From: Dennis C. via CnC-List 
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2018 12:23 PM
To: CnClist 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Reaching Strut Pole replacement

I sold Touche's reaching strut to a fellow lister.  He never used it. 

We use tweakers (twings).

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 11:04 AM Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List 
 wrote:

  Listers:

  Different topic for the collective wisdom of the group.  The reaching 
strut that came with my boat did not match up with the deck mounts, both in 
terms of the end fittings and pole length.  I bought replacement deck mount 
fittings and was going to mount them closer together, but decided to study the 
issue to try to figure out why a prior owner shortened the strut (and whether a 
longer strut is necessary).  We concluded this past summer that: a) the extra 
foot or so of length will definitely help protect the aft stanchions much 
better; and b) the prior owner probably broke the original strut and decided to 
rebuild it using the undamaged portion (or obtained a replacement strut from 
someone else).

  The tubing is 3 1/2”.  I am only aware of Forespar selling this type/size 
tubing.  I need about 6 1/2’ of tubing, but the shortest length Forespar sells 
is 12 feet, which is expensive.  Shipping is also expensive, even if the pole 
is cut to the desired length.  I really don’t want to spend $500 or so to 
extend the reaching strut to its original length.  Suggestions?

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  C 42 Custom






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Re: Stus-List Reaching Strut Pole replacement

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

BTW, you can buy 7 feet of 3.5 aluminum tubing for $102 online at:

https://www.onlinemetals.com/merchant.cfm?pid=4740=4=inches=71_cat=0

Just make sure you are buying the correct ID and OD.

Dennis C.

On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 11:04 AM Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Listers:
>
> Different topic for the collective wisdom of the group.  The reaching
> strut that came with my boat did not match up with the deck mounts, both in
> terms of the end fittings and pole length.  I bought replacement deck mount
> fittings and was going to mount them closer together, but decided to study
> the issue to try to figure out why a prior owner shortened the strut (and
> whether a longer strut is necessary).  We concluded this past summer that:
> a) the extra foot or so of length will definitely help protect the aft
> stanchions much better; and b) the prior owner probably broke the original
> strut and decided to rebuild it using the undamaged portion (or obtained a
> replacement strut from someone else).
>
> The tubing is 3 1/2”.  I am only aware of Forespar selling this
> type/size tubing.  I need about 6 1/2’ of tubing, but the shortest length
> Forespar sells is 12 feet, which is expensive.  Shipping is also expensive,
> even if the pole is cut to the desired length.  I really don’t want to
> spend $500 or so to extend the reaching strut to its original length.
> Suggestions?
>
> Matt Wolford
> C 42 Custom
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Reaching Strut Pole replacement

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

I sold Touche's reaching strut to a fellow lister.  He never used it.

We use tweakers (twings).

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 11:04 AM Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Listers:
>
> Different topic for the collective wisdom of the group.  The reaching
> strut that came with my boat did not match up with the deck mounts, both in
> terms of the end fittings and pole length.  I bought replacement deck mount
> fittings and was going to mount them closer together, but decided to study
> the issue to try to figure out why a prior owner shortened the strut (and
> whether a longer strut is necessary).  We concluded this past summer that:
> a) the extra foot or so of length will definitely help protect the aft
> stanchions much better; and b) the prior owner probably broke the original
> strut and decided to rebuild it using the undamaged portion (or obtained a
> replacement strut from someone else).
>
> The tubing is 3 1/2”.  I am only aware of Forespar selling this
> type/size tubing.  I need about 6 1/2’ of tubing, but the shortest length
> Forespar sells is 12 feet, which is expensive.  Shipping is also expensive,
> even if the pole is cut to the desired length.  I really don’t want to
> spend $500 or so to extend the reaching strut to its original length.
> Suggestions?
>
> Matt Wolford
> C 42 Custom
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Logo mugs

[Bruce Vineberg via CnC-List]

I am interested. Are still for sale?

Bruce Vineberg

[X]
VICON REAL ESTATE SERVICES INC.
VICON CONSTRUCTION
334-300 RUE BERGE 
DU CANAL
LACHINE, 
QUEBEC
H8R 
1H3
RBQ 5614 6228 01

514 987 0052 ph
514 221 4302 fax
514 236 3767 cell

br...@vicon.ca
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On Dec 7, 2018, at 11:33 AM, Robert Gallagher 
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I have 10 or so new in the box, old stock C logo mugs and a license plate 
frame (new) and a used license plate frame.

Someone make me an offer for all.
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Re: Stus-List Reaching Strut Pole replacement

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Listers:

Different topic for the collective wisdom of the group.  The reaching strut 
that came with my boat did not match up with the deck mounts, both in terms of 
the end fittings and pole length.  I bought replacement deck mount fittings and 
was going to mount them closer together, but decided to study the issue to try 
to figure out why a prior owner shortened the strut (and whether a longer strut 
is necessary).  We concluded this past summer that: a) the extra foot or so of 
length will definitely help protect the aft stanchions much better; and b) the 
prior owner probably broke the original strut and decided to rebuild it using 
the undamaged portion (or obtained a replacement strut from someone else).

The tubing is 3 1/2”.  I am only aware of Forespar selling this type/size 
tubing.  I need about 6 1/2’ of tubing, but the shortest length Forespar sells 
is 12 feet, which is expensive.  Shipping is also expensive, even if the pole 
is cut to the desired length.  I really don’t want to spend $500 or so to 
extend the reaching strut to its original length.  Suggestions?

Matt Wolford
C 42 Custom






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Re: Stus-List C Logo mugs

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For future reference, cafepress.com will make coffee mugs, t-shirts and 
mousepads with whatever (tasteful) image you send to them. Surf their site and 
you will kill an afternoon.
Steve Staten
“C’ Est La Vie”
C 26
Langley, Oklahoma

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Re: Stus-List Logo mugs

[Chris Graham via CnC-List]

Wow! Seriously??


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On Friday, December 7, 2018, 11:33 AM, Robert Gallagher via CnC-List 
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I have 10 or so new in the box, old stock C logo mugs and a license plate 
frame (new) and a used license plate frame.
Someone make me an offer for all.   
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Re: Stus-List Logo mugs

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Tervis makes customized drinkware.  The Admiral has had good success with
them.  However, there may be a copyright issue.  Not sure who, if anybody,
owns the C logo now.

Perhaps if you worked up a boat logo with your boat name and the C
logo.

Go here:

https://www.tervis.com/on/demandware.store/Sites-Tervis-Site/default/Customyzer-ArtBoard?size=16=MUG

On a related note, the Admiral and I prefer metal cups from a Tervis
affiliate, SIC, over the more popular brand that starts with "Y".
https://www.siccups.com/

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 9:04 AM Chris Graham via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>
> Hi listers!
>
> Quick question for anyone out there who might know if there might be C
> logo mugs available or even regatta hats with the C logo?
>
> I still have my collection of Sabre and Albin Vega mugs, hats and tee
> shirts. I’d love to get some coffee mugs for the boat.
>
> Café Press had the Vega mugs but I couldn’t find and C designs of any
> kind on that site
>
> Chris
> 1978 C 26 “Papillon”
> Hull # 094
>
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[Robert Gallagher via CnC-List]

I have 10 or so new in the box, old stock C logo mugs and a license plate
frame (new) and a used license plate frame.

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Stus-List Stiff Steering

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

Steve,

To echo Andrew’s suggestion, I’d look at doing a steering system inspection per 
the attached document.  This is the Edson “bible” regarding understanding how 
the steering system goes together and what should be done on a regular basis to 
maintain it.  

https://edsonmarine.com/content/EB381SteeringGuide.pdf

With steering, waiting for something to fail before you fix it isn’t really a 
good option.  While we all know how frugal we can be about spending money on 
something as mundane as steering parts (as opposed to sexy electronic gizmos or 
spiffy cockpit drink holders), I’ve seen “proactive” boaters religiously change 
engine water pump impellers annually but haven’t lubricated their steering 
system in the past 20 years.

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1983 35 Landfall

Padanaram, MA

 

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Sent: Friday, December 7, 2018 10:25 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Andrew Burton 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Rudder bearing questions...

 

Steve the first thought that comes to mind is a frozen sheave somewhere in the 
system.

 

Andy

Andrew Burton

139 Tuckerman Ave

Middletown, RI 

USA02842

www.burtonsailing.com  

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/

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On Dec 7, 2018, at 09:38, Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

I am curious why you feel the need to undertake this project.  Do you have too 
much play?  What are the symptoms that concern you?

 

On a related note, the day I hauled my 42 for the winter I noticed that the 
wheel was difficult to turn (it normally spins very freely).  It felt like the 
Edson pedestal brake was on, but it wasn’t.  Any thoughts on what may have 
caused the resistance?  

 

From: Steve Martin via CnC-List   

Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2018 10:14 PM

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com   

Cc: Steve Martin   

Subject: Stus-List Rudder bearing questions...

 

 

C 44 with spade rudder and harken top bearing... 

How much play is too much and does anyone know sizes and how to remove upper 
and lower bearings... and any other info on what I might be in for tackling 
this job...

Thanks

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Re: Stus-List Rudder bearing questions...

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

Guys,

Harken Rudder Bearings are different than the Delrin bearings installed on 
other boats.  The Harken Bearings are roller bearings that have internal and 
external races and need to be replaced in pairs (upper and lower) to get proper 
alignment.  Edson, for a while, made replacement bearings when Harken got out 
of the rudder bearing business and subsequently Edson, too, stopped making 
roller rudder bearings because of the difficulty in producing workable seals to 
keep the water out.

As such, the only company I know making a replacement style bearing for the 
Harken units is Jefa, distributed by PYI in the US and Canada.  A call to their 
offices in Washington State (talk to Fred or Phil) should shed some light on 
the replacement costs and process.  It would be handy to know the stock number 
of the Harken bearing installed on your boat just to make for an easier match 
up.

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1983 35 Landfall

Padanaram, MA

 

From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Gary Russell via 
CnC-List
Sent: Friday, December 7, 2018 8:04 AM
To: C List 
Cc: Gary Russell 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Rudder bearing questions...

 

I can't speak for the C 44, but the rudder bearings on my 37+ were Delrin.  I 
used a jig saw and split the bearings at approximately 90 degrees apart.  A 
couple of taps and the bearings came right out.

 

Gary

S/V Kaylarah

'90 C 37+

East Greenwich, RI, USA


~~~_/)~~

 

 

On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 10:14 PM Steve Martin via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

 

C 44 with spade rudder and harken top bearing...

How much play is too much and does anyone know sizes and how to remove upper 
and lower bearings... and any other info on what I might be in for tackling 
this job...

Thanks

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Re: Stus-List Logo mugs

[Chris Graham via CnC-List]

Haha $1000 it is I’ll see what I can find. No luck up here where I live 
Chris 


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On Friday, December 7, 2018, 10:34 AM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Chris,
I have a pair of C mugs, but given how rare they are, I couldn’t sell them to 
you for under $500 apiece. :-) 
I also have a pair of C “baseball” hats. Same price. 
There are plenty of outfits online that can print anything on anything with no 
minimums. Suggest you use one of them. You can easily find the logo online. 
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a8/Cnclogo.gif 

All the best,
Edd

Edd M. SchillayCaptain of the Starship EnterpriseC 37+ | Sail No: 
NCC-1701-BCity Island Yacht Club | City Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log


 



On Dec 7, 2018, at 10:03 AM, Chris Graham via CnC-List  
wrote:

Hi listers! 
Quick question for anyone out there who might know if there might be C logo 
mugs available or even regatta hats with the C logo? 
I still have my collection of Sabre and Albin Vega mugs, hats and tee shirts. 
I’d love to get some coffee mugs for the boat.
Café Press had the Vega mugs but I couldn’t find and C designs of any kind on 
that site 
Chris 1978 C 26 “Papillon”Hull # 094

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Re: Stus-List Logo mugs

[Chris Graham via CnC-List]

Thank you! I’ll check them out! 


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On Friday, December 7, 2018, 10:54 AM, Gerald Fennessey via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Try these guys 
Maritime T-Shirt Company (maritimet...@gmail.com)

-Original Message-
From: Chris Graham via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Chris Graham 
Sent: Fri, Dec 7, 2018 10:04 am
Subject: Stus-List Logo mugs


Hi listers! 
Quick question for anyone out there who might know if there might be C logo 
mugs available or even regatta hats with the C logo? 
I still have my collection of Sabre and Albin Vega mugs, hats and tee shirts. 
I’d love to get some coffee mugs for the boat.
Café Press had the Vega mugs but I couldn’t find and C designs of any kind on 
that site 
Chris 1978 C 26 “Papillon”Hull # 094

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[Gerald Fennessey via CnC-List]

Try these guys 
Maritime T-Shirt Company (maritimet...@gmail.com)

-Original Message-
From: Chris Graham via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Chris Graham 
Sent: Fri, Dec 7, 2018 10:04 am
Subject: Stus-List Logo mugs


Hi listers! 
Quick question for anyone out there who might know if there might be C logo 
mugs available or even regatta hats with the C logo? 
I still have my collection of Sabre and Albin Vega mugs, hats and tee shirts. 
I’d love to get some coffee mugs for the boat.
Café Press had the Vega mugs but I couldn’t find and C designs of any kind on 
that site 
Chris 1978 C 26 “Papillon”Hull # 094

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Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 155, Issue 27

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Yes, there is a small bit of play, I can move the rudder from side to side and 
front to back a couple mm's

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  1. Re:  Speaker... (Richard Bush)
  2. Re:  Speaker... (Matthew L. Wolford)
  3. Re:  Speaker... (John)
  4. Re:  Rudder bearing questions... (Matthew L. Wolford)
  5. Re:  Speaker... (Josh Muckley)
  6. Re:  Rudder bearing questions... (Robert Boyer)
 I'm in...I'll be happy to assist gratuity wise if needed as wellJust 
thinking,  this person, and Antoine, the guy who did the Atlantic in a 39 a few 
years back would be excellent speakers at a rendezvous; there are others 
who have done Bermuda races etc
 
Richard
 s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River Mile 596
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Sent: Fri, Dec 7, 2018 9:13 am
Subject: Stus-List Speaker...

 #yiv5372251644 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}All,
I was recently introduced to the gentlemen who sailed across the Atlantic on 
his C 27 Mk 5 in 1992.
He has graciously accepted my offer to have him speak  of his experience to our 
group via conference call.
Is there interest?

David F. Risch, J. D.GulfStreamAssociates,LLC 
(401) 419-4650 
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Sure. From: Chris Graham via CnC-List Sent: Friday, December 07, 2018 9:17 
AMTo: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Chris Graham Subject: Re: Stus-List Speaker... 
Amazing!


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  #yiv5372251644 p {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}  All,   I was recently 
introduced to the gentlemen who sailed across the Atlantic on his C 27 Mk 5 
in 1992.   He has graciously accepted my offer to have him speak  of his 
experience to our group via conference call.   Is there interest?
     
David F. Risch, J. D.
 
Gulf Stream Associates, LLC  

 
(401) 419-4650 

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I would very much appreciate that call. 
Thank you. 

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On Dec 7, 2018, at 9:30 AM, Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List 
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Sure. From: Chris Graham via CnC-List Sent: Friday, December 07, 2018 9:17 
AMTo: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Chris Graham Subject: Re: Stus-List Speaker... 
Amazing!


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   All,   I was recently introduced to the gentlemen who sailed across the 
Atlantic on his C 27 Mk 5 in 1992.   He has graciously accepted my offer to 
have him speak  of his experience to our group via conference call.   Is there 
interest?
     
David F. Risch, J. D.
 
Gulf Stream Associates, LLC  

 
(401) 419-4650 

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I am curious why you feel the need to undertake this project.  Do you have too 
much play?  What are the symptoms that 

Re: Stus-List Logo mugs

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Chris,

I have a pair of C mugs, but given how rare they are, I couldn’t sell them to 
you for under $500 apiece. :-) 

I also have a pair of C “baseball” hats. Same price. 

There are plenty of outfits online that can print anything on anything with no 
minimums. Suggest you use one of them. You can easily find the logo online. 
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a8/Cnclogo.gif 
 

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island Yacht Club | City Island, NY 

Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 








On Dec 7, 2018, at 10:03 AM, Chris Graham via CnC-List  
wrote:


Hi listers! 

Quick question for anyone out there who might know if there might be C logo 
mugs available or even regatta hats with the C logo? 

I still have my collection of Sabre and Albin Vega mugs, hats and tee shirts. 
I’d love to get some coffee mugs for the boat.

Café Press had the Vega mugs but I couldn’t find and C designs of any kind on 
that site 

Chris 
1978 C 26 “Papillon”
Hull # 094

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Re: Stus-List Rudder bearing questions...

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

Steve the first thought that comes to mind is a frozen sheave somewhere in the 
system.

Andy

Andrew Burton
139 Tuckerman Ave
Middletown, RI 
USA02842
www.burtonsailing.com
http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260

> On Dec 7, 2018, at 09:38, Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I am curious why you feel the need to undertake this project.  Do you have 
> too much play?  What are the symptoms that concern you?
>  
> On a related note, the day I hauled my 42 for the winter I noticed that the 
> wheel was difficult to turn (it normally spins very freely).  It felt like 
> the Edson pedestal brake was on, but it wasn’t.  Any thoughts on what may 
> have caused the resistance? 
>  
> From: Steve Martin via CnC-List
> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2018 10:14 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Steve Martin
> Subject: Stus-List Rudder bearing questions...
>  
>  
> C 44 with spade rudder and harken top bearing...
> How much play is too much and does anyone know sizes and how to remove upper 
> and lower bearings... and any other info on what I might be in for tackling 
> this job...
> Thanks
> 
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Re: Stus-List Speaker...

[David via CnC-List]

Josh,

Get that.  What I was going to do to keep this manageable is 1) record the call 
and make it available to all thereafter, 2) ask folks to submit questions prior 
and 3) incorporate any other suggestions that folks may have.


David F. Risch, J. D.

Gulf Stream Associates, LLC

(401) 419-4650


From: CnC-List  on behalf of Josh Muckley via 
CnC-List 
Sent: Friday, December 7, 2018 9:52 AM
To: C List
Cc: Josh Muckley
Subject: Re: Stus-List Speaker...

I'd be more interested in a transcript or recording so that I can review on my 
own time.  I have an odd work schedule.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Fri, Dec 7, 2018, 9:13 AM David via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
All,

I was recently introduced to the gentlemen who sailed across the Atlantic on 
his C 27 Mk 5 in 1992.

He has graciously accepted my offer to have him speak  of his experience to our 
group via conference call.

Is there interest?


David F. Risch, J. D.

Gulf Stream Associates, LLC

(401) 419-4650

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[Chris Graham via CnC-List]

Hi listers! 
Quick question for anyone out there who might know if there might be C logo 
mugs available or even regatta hats with the C logo? 
I still have my collection of Sabre and Albin Vega mugs, hats and tee shirts. 
I’d love to get some coffee mugs for the boat.
Café Press had the Vega mugs but I couldn’t find and C designs of any kind on 
that site 
Chris 1978 C 26 “Papillon”Hull # 094

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Re: Stus-List Rudder bearing questions...

[Robert Boyer via CnC-List]

A long time ago I experienced the same problem (hard to turn the wheel) on my 
Landfall 38.  It turned out to be a misaligned upper bearing on the rudder 
shaft--the one that bolts thru the cockpit floor.  It was an easy fix by my 
boatyard.

Bob

Bob Boyer
S/V Rainy Days (1983 C Landfall 38 - Hull #230)
Blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com
Email: dainyr...@icloud.com
Annapolis, MD 

> On Dec 7, 2018, at 9:38 AM, Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I am curious why you feel the need to undertake this project.  Do you have 
> too much play?  What are the symptoms that concern you?
>  
> On a related note, the day I hauled my 42 for the winter I noticed that the 
> wheel was difficult to turn (it normally spins very freely).  It felt like 
> the Edson pedestal brake was on, but it wasn’t.  Any thoughts on what may 
> have caused the resistance? 
>  
> From: Steve Martin via CnC-List
> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2018 10:14 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Steve Martin
> Subject: Stus-List Rudder bearing questions...
>  
>  
> C 44 with spade rudder and harken top bearing...
> How much play is too much and does anyone know sizes and how to remove upper 
> and lower bearings... and any other info on what I might be in for tackling 
> this job...
> Thanks
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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Re: Stus-List Speaker...

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

I'd be more interested in a transcript or recording so that I can review on
my own time.  I have an odd work schedule.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Fri, Dec 7, 2018, 9:13 AM David via CnC-List  All,
>
> I was recently introduced to the gentlemen who sailed across the Atlantic
> on his C 27 Mk 5 in 1992.
>
> He has graciously accepted my offer to have him speak  of his experience
> to our group via conference call.
>
> Is there interest?
>
> *David F. Risch, J. D.*
>
> *Gulf Stream Associates, LLC*
>
>
> *(401) 419-4650 *
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Re: Stus-List Rudder bearing questions...

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

I am curious why you feel the need to undertake this project.  Do you have too 
much play?  What are the symptoms that concern you?

On a related note, the day I hauled my 42 for the winter I noticed that the 
wheel was difficult to turn (it normally spins very freely).  It felt like the 
Edson pedestal brake was on, but it wasn’t.  Any thoughts on what may have 
caused the resistance?  

From: Steve Martin via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2018 10:14 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Steve Martin 
Subject: Stus-List Rudder bearing questions...


C 44 with spade rudder and harken top bearing... 
How much play is too much and does anyone know sizes and how to remove upper 
and lower bearings... and any other info on what I might be in for tackling 
this job...
Thanks


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Re: Stus-List Speaker...

[John via CnC-List]

I would very much appreciate that call. 

Thank you. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 7, 2018, at 9:30 AM, Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Sure.
>  
> From: Chris Graham via CnC-List
> Sent: Friday, December 07, 2018 9:17 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Chris Graham
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Speaker...
>  
> Amazing!
> 
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
> 
> On Friday, December 7, 2018, 9:12 AM, David via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> All,
>  
> I was recently introduced to the gentlemen who sailed across the Atlantic on 
> his C 27 Mk 5 in 1992.
>  
> He has graciously accepted my offer to have him speak  of his experience to 
> our group via conference call.
>  
> Is there interest?
>  
> David F. Risch, J. D.
> Gulf Stream Associates, LLC  
> (401) 419-4650 
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Re: Stus-List Speaker...

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

Sure.

From: Chris Graham via CnC-List 
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2018 9:17 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Chris Graham 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Speaker...

Amazing!


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Friday, December 7, 2018, 9:12 AM, David via CnC-List 
 wrote:

  All,

  I was recently introduced to the gentlemen who sailed across the Atlantic on 
his C 27 Mk 5 in 1992.

  He has graciously accepted my offer to have him speak  of his experience to 
our group via conference call.

  Is there interest?


  David F. Risch, J. D.

  Gulf Stream Associates, LLC  


  (401) 419-4650 


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Re: Stus-List Speaker...

[Richard Bush via CnC-List]

 I'm in...I'll be happy to assist gratuity wise if needed as wellJust 
thinking,  this person, and Antoine, the guy who did the Atlantic in a 39 a few 
years back would be excellent speakers at a rendezvous; there are others 
who have done Bermuda races etc
 
Richard
 s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River Mile 596
Richard N. Bush 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine 
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255 
 
-Original Message-
From: David via CnC-List 
To: CNC CNC 
Cc: David 
Sent: Fri, Dec 7, 2018 9:13 am
Subject: Stus-List Speaker...

 #yiv8155249091 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}All,
I was recently introduced to the gentlemen who sailed across the Atlantic on 
his C 27 Mk 5 in 1992.
He has graciously accepted my offer to have him speak  of his experience to our 
group via conference call.
Is there interest?

David F. Risch, J. D.GulfStreamAssociates,LLC 
(401) 419-4650 
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Re: Stus-List Speaker...

[Chris Graham via CnC-List]

Amazing!


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Friday, December 7, 2018, 9:12 AM, David via CnC-List 
 wrote:

 #yiv5881465944 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}All,
I was recently introduced to the gentlemen who sailed across the Atlantic on 
his C 27 Mk 5 in 1992.
He has graciously accepted my offer to have him speak  of his experience to our 
group via conference call.
Is there interest?


David F. Risch, J. D.

GulfStreamAssociates,LLC 


(401) 419-4650 

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Stus-List Speaker...

[David via CnC-List]

All,

I was recently introduced to the gentlemen who sailed across the Atlantic on 
his C 27 Mk 5 in 1992.

He has graciously accepted my offer to have him speak  of his experience to our 
group via conference call.

Is there interest?


David F. Risch, J. D.

Gulf Stream Associates, LLC

(401) 419-4650
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Re: Stus-List Rudder bearing questions...

[Gary Russell via CnC-List]

I can't speak for the C 44, but the rudder bearings on my 37+ were
Delrin.  I used a jig saw and split the bearings at approximately 90
degrees apart.  A couple of taps and the bearings came right out.

Gary
S/V Kaylarah
'90 C 37+
East Greenwich, RI, USA
~~~_/)~~



On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 10:14 PM Steve Martin via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>
> C 44 with spade rudder and harken top bearing...
> How much play is too much and does anyone know sizes and how to remove
> upper and lower bearings... and any other info on what I might be in for
> tackling this job...
> Thanks
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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