Re: Stus-List Bilge pump

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

The only concern with a position displacement vane pump is that they can
burn up if run without sufficient water - if for example you left it on or
the float stuck.  They are also often relatively high current and low
flow.  The rubber impellers are wear items so planning a replacement
strategy is important.

There are other positive displacement pumps that might achieve the same dry
bilge in a more cost effective way.  Diaphragm pumps come to mind.  Rubber
diaphragms eventually wear out too but some have the advantage of being
able to pass "trash".  These too are relatively low flow and would best be
paired with a high volume emergency pump.

https://www.whalepumps.com/marine/product-application.aspx?Category_ID=1=Bilge


Josh



On Tue, Jan 15, 2019, 4:04 PM Dennis C. via CnC-List  You would NOT have a backflow issue since impeller pumps are positive
> displacement.  One big advantage of the impeller system is the suction hose
> could be routed to the very lowest point in the bilge sump.  Impeller pumps
> are self priming down a few feet.  While the float switch would shut off
> before complete emptying, you could empty the sump on "manual".
>
> With a typical centrifugal pump, you can only lower the water level to the
> inlet of the pump.  Don't know about your boat, but on Touche', that leaves
> a bunch of water in the sump.  The only way I can empty it is with the
> manual pump.
>
> Disadvantage might be trash damaging the impeller.  However, impeller
> pumps are widely used for bilge pumps on many, many boats.  There was one
> on Touche' when I bought it.  I stupidly replaced it with a centrifugal
> pump.  :(  Should have left it.
>
> Dennis
>
> On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 2:40 PM Richard Bush via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Dennis, I like your suggestion of the Ultra Safety systems switch and
>> the water puppy pump; that's about $300.00 (+/-); what would the
>> advantages (or disadvantages) be over the traditional systems...?
>> How would the hose be routed?  Would you still have the backflow problem?
>> Thanks
>>
>> Richard
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Re: Stus-List Tablet for navigation

[T power via CnC-List]

Dan that open cpn setup looks really cool, I may try it out when the time 
comes, Lol I so new to side electronic that I just learned through you guys 
that I could go the Android route.

I primarily want it to do route planning while on land, be able to send it to 
my chartplotter, so I think I need one with an SD and usb slot.

Tom Power
Invictus
C 30 MK1
Fredericton, NB

From: CnC-List  on behalf of Shawn Wright via 
CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 7:04 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Shawn Wright
Subject: Re: Stus-List Tablet for navigation

I recently got an Acer 9.6 tablet for $160 CAD for travel, and eventually to 
use with Navionics or similar. I used it for a month in Costa Rica (where I 
tethered it to the data on my cell phone - 30 days/2Gb data for $20!) for email 
and GPS with google maps (we rented a car for 2 weeks) and it worked great. I 
bought this unit because it has two USB ports and a micro SD slot - I added 
another 64Gb storage, and I also used one of the USB ports to charge my cell 
phone via a micro USB to USB adapter, which also allows me to plug in an SD 
card reader for photo downloads. Not the most powerful tablet, but I like 
having the extra ports, so I only need to carry one USB wall charger to charge 
two devices.

I haven't tried Navonics yet, but may try Open Plotter first...

On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 10:37 AM Dr. Mark Bodnar via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


Tom,

As noted the Apple products have the GPS chip tied to the cell system - thus 
requiring you buy a more expensive cellular enabled unit.


Another option is Android tablets.  For $160 cdn you can get an Acer 8" screen 
Android tablet at Costco, or $230 for a 9.6" screen Samsung - neither has cell 
capacity but both should have the GPS capacity you're looking for.  Cheaper 
than the iPad.  Of course there are other Android options that rival the iPad 
costs - some even with built in waterproofing.


I use a couple older tablets for my navigation - download maps and info with 
WiFi when I'm at home.  They do come with one challenge that I've noticed - 
harder to find good cases for some of these tablets because they don't have the 
sales numbers of Apple.


Mark


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On 2019-01-14 9:23 p.m., T power via CnC-List wrote:
Awesome, thanks, much appreciated

Tom Power
Invictus
C 30 MK1
Fredericton, NB

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 on behalf 
of Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List 

Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 9:15 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Matthew L. Wolford
Subject: Re: Stus-List Tablet for navigation

To add to Joel’s comment, the iPad must be cellular capable (not all of them 
are).  Joel is correct that you need not activate the cell plan.

From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 7:53 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Joel Aronson
Subject: Re: Stus-List Tablet for navigation

Tom

No. You don’t need to activate the cell plan. The GPS antenna is shared with 
the cell antenna in the iPad.

On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 7:51 PM T power via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Hi,
I would like to use an ipad mini 2 with the navionics app to plan and use for 
nav purposes on my boat, this will back up my chart plotter and paper charts.

I read that to use the Navionics app on the water to purchase an ipad that has 
cellular capability.

So I'm looking at Best buy and see ipads with 4G AT, Verizon, etc...

So my Question is; Does it matter what provider is noted because I'm only using 
the cellular for the Navionics app?

Thanks for any help.

Cheers,

Tom

Tom Power
Invictus
C 30 MK1
Fredericton, NB
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Re: Stus-List 1988 37R Diesel Tank Replacement Suggestions

[David Kaseler via CnC-List]

Not sure where you are but we purchased a s/s tank from Ballard Sheetmetal many 
years ago. They made it to our specs and are located in Ballard, WA.
Dave. 
SLY
1975 C 33


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> On Jan 14, 2019, at 3:48 PM, Languid Refiner via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Everyone, 
> 
> Is a replacement fuel tank something I would get custom made (looking to get 
> one in stainless)? Are there standard sizes or somewhere to order one from? 
> 
> My 37R is equipped with the Universal M35. The tank was located below/behind 
> the galley sink, I think it was approximately 20 gallons.
> 
> On another note, any recommendations for searching through the archived 
> emails? Is there a way to do that or just look at them individually?
> 
> Thanks in advance!
> 
> Noah 
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Re: Stus-List Tablet for navigation

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

I recently got an Acer 9.6 tablet for $160 CAD for travel, and eventually
to use with Navionics or similar. I used it for a month in Costa Rica
(where I tethered it to the data on my cell phone - 30 days/2Gb data for
$20!) for email and GPS with google maps (we rented a car for 2 weeks) and
it worked great. I bought this unit because it has two USB ports and a
micro SD slot - I added another 64Gb storage, and I also used one of the
USB ports to charge my cell phone via a micro USB to USB adapter, which
also allows me to plug in an SD card reader for photo downloads. Not the
most powerful tablet, but I like having the extra ports, so I only need to
carry one USB wall charger to charge two devices.

I haven't tried Navonics yet, but may try Open Plotter first...

On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 10:37 AM Dr. Mark Bodnar via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>
> Tom,
>
> As noted the Apple products have the GPS chip tied to the cell system -
> thus requiring you buy a more expensive cellular enabled unit.
>
>
> Another option is Android tablets.  For $160 cdn you can get an Acer 8"
> screen Android tablet at Costco, or $230 for a 9.6" screen Samsung -
> neither has cell capacity but both should have the GPS capacity you're
> looking for.  Cheaper than the iPad.  Of course there are other Android
> options that rival the iPad costs - some even with built in waterproofing.
>
>
> I use a couple older tablets for my navigation - download maps and info
> with WiFi when I'm at home.  They do come with one challenge that I've
> noticed - harder to find good cases for some of these tablets because they
> don't have the sales numbers of Apple.
>
>
> Mark
>
>
> There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval.
>   - George Santayana
>
> On 2019-01-14 9:23 p.m., T power via CnC-List wrote:
>
> Awesome, thanks, much appreciated
>
> Tom Power
> Invictus
> C 30 MK1
> Fredericton, NB
> --
> *From:* CnC-List 
>  on behalf of Matthew L. Wolford via
> CnC-List  
> *Sent:* Monday, January 14, 2019 9:15 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Matthew L. Wolford
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Tablet for navigation
>
> To add to Joel’s comment, the iPad must be cellular *capable* (not all of
> them are).  Joel is correct that you need not activate the cell plan.
>
> *From:* Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Monday, January 14, 2019 7:53 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Joel Aronson 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Tablet for navigation
>
> Tom
>
> No. You don’t need to activate the cell plan. The GPS antenna is shared
> with the cell antenna in the iPad.
>
> On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 7:51 PM T power via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I would like to use an ipad mini 2 with the navionics app to plan and use
> for nav purposes on my boat, this will back up my chart plotter and paper
> charts.
>
> I read that to use the Navionics app on the water to purchase an ipad that
> has cellular capability.
>
> So I'm looking at Best buy and see ipads with 4G AT, Verizon, etc...
>
> So my Question is; Does it matter what provider is noted because I'm only
> using the cellular for the Navionics app?
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Tom
>
> Tom Power
> Invictus
> C 30 MK1
> Fredericton, NB
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Re: Stus-List Bilge pump

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

You would NOT have a backflow issue since impeller pumps are positive
displacement.  One big advantage of the impeller system is the suction hose
could be routed to the very lowest point in the bilge sump.  Impeller pumps
are self priming down a few feet.  While the float switch would shut off
before complete emptying, you could empty the sump on "manual".

With a typical centrifugal pump, you can only lower the water level to the
inlet of the pump.  Don't know about your boat, but on Touche', that leaves
a bunch of water in the sump.  The only way I can empty it is with the
manual pump.

Disadvantage might be trash damaging the impeller.  However, impeller pumps
are widely used for bilge pumps on many, many boats.  There was one on
Touche' when I bought it.  I stupidly replaced it with a centrifugal pump.
:(  Should have left it.

Dennis

On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 2:40 PM Richard Bush via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Dennis, I like your suggestion of the Ultra Safety systems switch and the 
> water
> puppy pump; that's about $300.00 (+/-); what would the advantages (or
> disadvantages) be over the traditional systems...?
> How would the hose be routed?  Would you still have the backflow problem?
> Thanks
>
> Richard
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Bilge pump

[Richard Bush via CnC-List]

 Dennis, I like your suggestion of the Ultra Safety systems switch and the 
water puppy pump; that's about $300.00 (+/-); what would the advantages (or 
disadvantages) be over the traditional systems...?  
How would the hose be routed?  Would you still have the backflow problem?
 Thanks
 
Richard
 s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, MIle 596;
Richard N. Bush 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine 
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255 


Depends on the check valve.  I wouldn't trust any metal check valve due to the 
potential for corrosion.  Corrosion could a) lock the valve open and b) ruin 
the sealing surface so it doesn't seal.
I do like, and have on Touche', a Bosworth Sea-Lect check valve.  This is a 
plastic flapper style valve with a rubber flap.  It's worked for almost two 
decades without issue.
I also relocated the bilge discharge to the port side midships from the 
starboard quarter to decrease the hose run.
If I was to reconfigure the bilge pump entirely, I would consider a Ultra 
Safety Systems mini bilge pump switch and a "water puppy" style impeller pump 
in a storage under a seat.
Dennis C.Touche' 35-1 #83Mandeville, LA




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Re: Stus-List Bilge pump

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

I've have surprisingly good results using Atwood pumps.  They advertise as
being Johnson replaceable and have a 3 year warranty.  I don't know about
being a better foot print, higher capacity, better built, or more
reliable.  My most recent one lasted about 3 years which matched the age of
the more expensive Rule which it replaced.

I installed a rule automatic pump shortly after buying the boat.  When in
auto it would start every 2.5 minutes and "test" for water.  Unfortunately
with even a small amount of backflow this could cause it to cycle
excessively by getting false positives when it "tested" for water.  This
was annoying in the least, particularly when trying to sleep.

I'm preferential to a float type auto switch wired in parallel with the
manual switch.  My auto float switch is mounted above the pump and only
turns on when a considerable amount of water accumulates.  Under normal
conditions I manually pump the bilge down and the float just catches it
when I've abandoned the boat for weeks on end.

I have a check valve.  There I said it.  In a perfect I world have a very
high capacity "emergency" pump and associated auto float mounted just above
the float for the lower "normal" pump.  The emergency pump would not have a
check valve.  It would have a high loop to avoid a siphon but nothing to
prevent backflow.  It would also be as short and straight of a run as
possible to the discharge.  In this way I could ensure the emergency
reliability and capacity of an emergency bilge pump by keeping it dry and
rarely using it.  I would retain the normal bilge pump's ability to pump
the bilge to its lowest reasonable level.  Both would work automatically
and manually.

The pump I have is 1200 gph (20 gpm) or 4 x 5 gallon buckets per minute -
more flow than I can move manually but not much.  Once, I accidentally left
the transducer plugs out when launching the boat.  We discovered the
situation before water got to the floor boards but not before a
considerable amount of water had made it in.  Once the situation was
corrected the bilge pump continued to run for what seemed like the better
part of 5 minutes.  The point being, 1200gph sounds big... It isn't.  If I
had a shaft seal that failed, the pump almost certainly would not have kept
up and that is the least catastrophic emergency I can think of.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD



On Jan 15, 2019 12:16 PM, "Bruno Lachance via CnC-List" <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

Hi,

My Rule 1500 is broken and i'm looking for a replacement. I know some
people here have a system including the mandatory manual pump, the "main",
often turbine type  electric pump and a low GPH suction pump to empty the
bilge.

I'm not quite there yet, and would just like to get the best "main"
electric pump that could fit. Is there a better option than the Rule 1500
out there that would have about the same footprint ? Whale has a new line
but the pump is a bit bigger. Could a equivalent capacity diaphragm pump be
a choice ? What about auto pump with integrated switch, are they reliable ?

My setup includes a Rule float swith that will be replaced with a "water
witch" switch once broken and i use a check valve. (i know some are against
this, aka Rule themself).

Thanks.


Bruno Lachance
Bécassine, 33 mkII
new-Richmond, Qc
Canada
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Re: Stus-List Tablet for navigation

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

I run OpenCPN on an old Samsung Galaxy Tab 3.  It runs Android 4.2 or
similar.  You don't need much tablet for many of the apps.

It seems to work fine.  I rarely fire it up for navigation as I much prefer
dedicated marine GPS systems.

I would consider a used Garmin GPSMap 64, 76 or similar handheld off eBay
also.  Better visibility in daylight.  Waterproof.  I have an old GPSMap 45
as my 3rd backup.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 12:37 PM Dr. Mark Bodnar via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>
> Another option is Android tablets.  For $160 cdn you can get an Acer 8"
> screen Android tablet at Costco, or $230 for a 9.6" screen Samsung -
> neither has cell capacity but both should have the GPS capacity you're
> looking for.  Cheaper than the iPad.  Of course there are other Android
> options that rival the iPad costs - some even with built in waterproofing.
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Tablet for navigation

[CHRIS PRICE via CnC-List]

Inavx, cheap ipad and a $20 Bad Elf gps. On January 15, 2019 at 1:37 PM "Dr. Mark Bodnar via CnC-List"  wrote:  Tom,As noted the Apple products have the GPS chip tied to the cell system - thus requiring you buy a more expensive cellular enabled unit.Another option is Android tablets.  For $160 cdn you can get an Acer 8" screen Android tablet at Costco, or $230 for a 9.6" screen Samsung - neither has cell capacity but both should have the GPS capacity you're looking for.  Cheaper than the iPad.  Of course there are other Android options that rival the iPad costs - some even with built in waterproofing.I use a couple older tablets for my navigation - download maps and info with WiFi when I'm at home.  They do come with one challenge that I've noticed - harder to find good cases for some of these tablets because they don't have the sales numbers of Apple.MarkThere is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval.
  - George SantayanaOn 2019-01-14 9:23 p.m., T power via CnC-List wrote: Awesome, thanks, much appreciatedTom PowerInvictusC 30 MK1Fredericton, NBFrom: CnC-List  on behalf of Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List  Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 9:15 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Matthew L. Wolford Subject: Re: Stus-List Tablet for navigation To add to Joel’s comment, the iPad must be cellular capable (not all of them are).  Joel is correct that you need not activate the cell plan. From:  Joel Aronson via CnC-ListSent: Monday, January 14, 2019 7:53 PMTo:  cnc-list@cnc-list.comCc:  Joel AronsonSubject: Re: Stus-List Tablet for navigation Tom No. You don’t need to activate the cell plan. The GPS antenna is shared with the cell antenna in the iPad. On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 7:51 PM T power via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: Hi,I would like to use an ipad mini 2 with the navionics app to plan and use for nav purposes on my boat, this will back up my chart plotter and paper charts. I read that to use the Navionics app on the water to purchase an ipad that has cellular capability. So I'm looking at Best buy and see ipads with 4G AT, Verizon, etc... So my Question is; Does it matter what provider is noted because I'm only using the cellular for the Navionics app? Thanks for any help. Cheers, Tom Tom PowerInvictusC 30 MK1Fredericton, NB___   Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  -- Joel  301 541 8551___   Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  ___

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Re: Stus-List Bilge pump

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Depends on the check valve.  I wouldn't trust any metal check valve due to
the potential for corrosion.  Corrosion could a) lock the valve open and b)
ruin the sealing surface so it doesn't seal.

I do like, and have on Touche', a Bosworth Sea-Lect check valve.  This is a
plastic flapper style valve with a rubber flap.  It's worked for almost two
decades without issue.

I also relocated the bilge discharge to the port side midships from the
starboard quarter to decrease the hose run.

If I was to reconfigure the bilge pump entirely, I would consider a Ultra
Safety Systems mini bilge pump switch and a "water puppy" style impeller
pump in a storage under a seat.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA



> You can route the discharge piping to a level above the discharge
> connection from the hull and do it well before the discharge line gets to
> the discharge connection from the hull.  From its high point it could be
> self-draining outward to the discharge connection.  By doing this it
> minimizes the amount of bilge water that will flow back into the bilge when
> the pump shuts off.
>
> I would not use a check valve in the bilge discharge line because it is
> the last place you want a line blockage.
>
> Bob
>
>
>
> Robert Boyer
> s/v Rainy Days
> C Landfall 38, Hull #230
>
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Re: Stus-List Bilge pump

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I guess we are all different.  In my case, I have two long-haired cats that 
liveaboard with us.  It is impossible to keep cat hair out of my bilge—this is 
all it takes to clog up a check valve if it hangs up there.  I’m surprised that 
I haven’t had cat hair clog up my bilge pump as of yet.

Bob

Bob Boyer
s/v Rainy Days
C Landfall 38 (Hull # 230)
(Presently in Charleston SC for the winter)
blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com
email: dainyr...@icloud.com

> On Jan 15, 2019, at 1:14 PM, Bruno Lachance via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> You can rerun the hose to acheive this, but it depends of your layout.
> 
> Rule now make a pump with an intergrated switch and check valve. It seems 
> they were against the check valve because of the possibility to get an air 
> lock. It is certanly an added restricion, but a line blockage risk, i doubt 
> it. I clean it every year, keep my bilge clean and the pump works often to 
> pump water coming from the mast. i prefer the check valve to a cycling pump 
> and more water in my bilge. It's a choice of compromise.
> 
> Bruno.
> 
> De : CnC-List  de la part de Robert Boyer via 
> CnC-List 
> Envoyé : 15 janvier 2019 12:47
> À : Jeremy Ralph via CnC-List
> Cc : Robert Boyer
> Objet : Re: Stus-List Bilge pump
>  
> You can route the discharge piping to a level above the discharge connection 
> from the hull and do it well before the discharge line gets to the discharge 
> connection from the hull.  From its high point it could be self-draining 
> outward to the discharge connection.  By doing this it minimizes the amount 
> of bilge water that will flow back into the bilge when the pump shuts off.
> 
> I would not use a check valve in the bilge discharge line because it is the 
> last place you want a line blockage.
> 
> Bob
> 
>> On Jan 15, 2019, at 12:30 PM, Fred Hazzard via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Question: without a check valve how do you stop the pump from continually 
>> recycling the water remaining in hose. It’s almost 20 feet from the pump and 
>> switch to the transom. 
>> Fred Hazzard 
>> S/V Fury 
>> C 44
>> Portland Or 
>> 
>> On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 9:16 AM Bruno Lachance via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> My Rule 1500 is broken and i'm looking for a replacement. I know some people 
>> here have a system including the mandatory manual pump, the "main", often 
>> turbine type  electric pump and a low GPH suction pump to empty the bilge.
>> 
>> I'm not quite there yet, and would just like to get the best "main" electric 
>> pump that could fit. Is there a better option than the Rule 1500 out there 
>> that would have about the same footprint ? Whale has a new line but the pump 
>> is a bit bigger. Could a equivalent capacity diaphragm pump be a choice ? 
>> What about auto pump with integrated switch, are they reliable ?
>> 
>> My setup includes a Rule float swith that will be replaced with a "water 
>> witch" switch once broken and i use a check valve. (i know some are against 
>> this, aka Rule themself).
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> 
>> Bruno Lachance
>> Bécassine, 33 mkII
>> new-Richmond, Qc
>> Canada
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> Robert Boyer
> s/v Rainy Days
> C Landfall 38, Hull #230
> 
> 411 Walnut Street #11447
> Green Cove Springs, FL 32043
> (443) 994-1802
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Re: Stus-List Tablet for navigation

[Dr. Mark Bodnar via CnC-List]

  
  


Tom,
As noted the Apple products have the GPS chip tied to the cell
  system - thus requiring you buy a more expensive cellular enabled
  unit.


Another option is Android tablets.  For $160 cdn you can get an
  Acer 8" screen Android tablet at Costco, or $230 for a 9.6" screen
  Samsung - neither has cell capacity but both should have the GPS
  capacity you're looking for.  Cheaper than the iPad.  Of course
  there are other Android options that rival the iPad costs - some
  even with built in waterproofing.



I use a couple older tablets for my navigation - download maps
  and info with WiFi when I'm at home.  They do come with one
  challenge that I've noticed - harder to find good cases for some
  of these tablets because they don't have the sales numbers of
  Apple.



Mark





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On 2019-01-14 9:23 p.m., T power via
  CnC-List wrote:


  
  
  
Awesome, thanks, much appreciated
  

  
  

  
Tom Power
  
Invictus
  
C 30 MK1
  
Fredericton, NB

  
  
  From:
  CnC-List  on behalf of
  Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List 
  Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 9:15 PM
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
  Cc: Matthew L. Wolford
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Tablet for navigation
 
  
  

  
To add to Joel’s comment, the iPad must be cellular capable
  (not all of them are).  Joel is correct that you need not
  activate the cell plan.

  
 

  From: 
  Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
  Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 7:53 PM
  To: 
  cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  Cc: 
  Joel Aronson 
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Tablet for
navigation

  
   


  
Tom
  
   
  No. You don’t need to activate the cell plan. The GPS
antenna is shared with the cell antenna in the iPad.
  
  
 

  On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 7:51 PM T power
via CnC-List 
wrote:
  
  

  
Hi,
  
I would like to use an ipad mini 2 with the
navionics app to plan and use for nav purposes
on my boat, this will back up my chart plotter
and paper charts.
  
 
  
I read that to use the Navionics app on the
water to purchase an ipad that has cellular
capability.
  
 
  
So I'm looking at Best buy and see ipads with 4G
AT, Verizon, etc... 
  
 
  
So my Question is; Does it matter what provider
is noted because I'm only using the cellular for
the Navionics app?
  
 
  
Thanks for any help.
  
 
  
Cheers,
  
 
  
Tom
  
 
  

  
Tom Power
  
Invictus
  
C 30 MK1
  
Fredericton, NB

  

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Re: Stus-List Bilge pump

[Bruno Lachance via CnC-List]

You can rerun the hose to acheive this, but it depends of your layout.

Rule now make a pump with an intergrated switch and check valve. It seems they 
were against the check valve because of the possibility to get an air lock. It 
is certanly an added restricion, but a line blockage risk, i doubt it. I clean 
it every year, keep my bilge clean and the pump works often to pump water 
coming from the mast. i prefer the check valve to a cycling pump and more water 
in my bilge. It's a choice of compromise.

Bruno.


De : CnC-List  de la part de Robert Boyer via 
CnC-List 
Envoyé : 15 janvier 2019 12:47
À : Jeremy Ralph via CnC-List
Cc : Robert Boyer
Objet : Re: Stus-List Bilge pump

You can route the discharge piping to a level above the discharge connection 
from the hull and do it well before the discharge line gets to the discharge 
connection from the hull.  From its high point it could be self-draining 
outward to the discharge connection.  By doing this it minimizes the amount of 
bilge water that will flow back into the bilge when the pump shuts off.

I would not use a check valve in the bilge discharge line because it is the 
last place you want a line blockage.

Bob

On Jan 15, 2019, at 12:30 PM, Fred Hazzard via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Question: without a check valve how do you stop the pump from continually 
recycling the water remaining in hose. It’s almost 20 feet from the pump and 
switch to the transom.
Fred Hazzard
S/V Fury
C 44
Portland Or

On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 9:16 AM Bruno Lachance via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Hi,

My Rule 1500 is broken and i'm looking for a replacement. I know some people 
here have a system including the mandatory manual pump, the "main", often 
turbine type  electric pump and a low GPH suction pump to empty the bilge.

I'm not quite there yet, and would just like to get the best "main" electric 
pump that could fit. Is there a better option than the Rule 1500 out there that 
would have about the same footprint ? Whale has a new line but the pump is a 
bit bigger. Could a equivalent capacity diaphragm pump be a choice ? What about 
auto pump with integrated switch, are they reliable ?

My setup includes a Rule float swith that will be replaced with a "water witch" 
switch once broken and i use a check valve. (i know some are against this, aka 
Rule themself).

Thanks.


Bruno Lachance
Bécassine, 33 mkII
new-Richmond, Qc
Canada
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C Landfall 38, Hull #230

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Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Keel Bolt Washers

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

It was ages ago, but for my 35 MK-I I had a bunch of stainless plates made. Not 
too complicated, rectangles with holes in the middle.


Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C 35 MK I




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CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 12:25 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: schiller 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Keel Bolt Washers

For our old Redwing 35 (C 35-1), I had 300 Series Stainless backing plates 
made to replace the mild steel backing plates on her when we bought it.  I wish 
I could tell you how much they cost, but a friend that owns an aerospace 
machine company made them out of a scrap piece of stainless he had.  I had 
asked him to give me a quote to make them.  I still have one left over and 
could measure it if you need.

Neil Schiller
1983 C 35-3, #028, "Grace"
Whitehall, Michigan


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Re: Stus-List Bilge pump

[Robert Boyer via CnC-List]

You can route the discharge piping to a level above the discharge connection 
from the hull and do it well before the discharge line gets to the discharge 
connection from the hull.  From its high point it could be self-draining 
outward to the discharge connection.  By doing this it minimizes the amount of 
bilge water that will flow back into the bilge when the pump shuts off.

I would not use a check valve in the bilge discharge line because it is the 
last place you want a line blockage.

Bob

> On Jan 15, 2019, at 12:30 PM, Fred Hazzard via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Question: without a check valve how do you stop the pump from continually 
> recycling the water remaining in hose. It’s almost 20 feet from the pump and 
> switch to the transom. 
> Fred Hazzard 
> S/V Fury 
> C 44
> Portland Or 
> 
> On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 9:16 AM Bruno Lachance via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> My Rule 1500 is broken and i'm looking for a replacement. I know some people 
> here have a system including the mandatory manual pump, the "main", often 
> turbine type  electric pump and a low GPH suction pump to empty the bilge.
> 
> I'm not quite there yet, and would just like to get the best "main" electric 
> pump that could fit. Is there a better option than the Rule 1500 out there 
> that would have about the same footprint ? Whale has a new line but the pump 
> is a bit bigger. Could a equivalent capacity diaphragm pump be a choice ? 
> What about auto pump with integrated switch, are they reliable ?
> 
> My setup includes a Rule float swith that will be replaced with a "water 
> witch" switch once broken and i use a check valve. (i know some are against 
> this, aka Rule themself).
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> Bruno Lachance
> Bécassine, 33 mkII
> new-Richmond, Qc
> Canada
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s/v Rainy Days
C Landfall 38, Hull #230

411 Walnut Street #11447
Green Cove Springs, FL 32043
(443) 994-1802

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Re: Stus-List Bilge pump

[Fred Hazzard via CnC-List]

Question: without a check valve how do you stop the pump from continually
recycling the water remaining in hose. It’s almost 20 feet from the pump
and switch to the transom.
Fred Hazzard
S/V Fury
C 44
Portland Or

On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 9:16 AM Bruno Lachance via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> My Rule 1500 is broken and i'm looking for a replacement. I know some
> people here have a system including the mandatory manual pump, the "main",
> often turbine type  electric pump and a low GPH suction pump to empty the
> bilge.
>
> I'm not quite there yet, and would just like to get the best "main"
> electric pump that could fit. Is there a better option than the Rule 1500
> out there that would have about the same footprint ? Whale has a new line
> but the pump is a bit bigger. Could a equivalent capacity diaphragm pump be
> a choice ? What about auto pump with integrated switch, are they reliable ?
>
> My setup includes a Rule float swith that will be replaced with a "water
> witch" switch once broken and i use a check valve. (i know some are against
> this, aka Rule themself).
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> Bruno Lachance
> Bécassine, 33 mkII
> new-Richmond, Qc
> Canada
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Re: Stus-List Keel Bolt Washers

[Dan via CnC-List]

Thanks Everyone, I think I've got enough info to get it done. I have to
measure things and make decisions.
I'm definitely going with a bedded backing plate, and washer. Kind of
excited to get the bilge cleaned up to the level that it can take epoxy :)

Dan


On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 1:25 PM schiller via CnC-List 
wrote:

> For our old Redwing 35 (C 35-1), I had 300 Series Stainless backing
> plates made to replace the mild steel backing plates on her when we bought
> it.  I wish I could tell you how much they cost, but a friend that owns an
> aerospace machine company made them out of a scrap piece of stainless he
> had.  I had asked him to give me a quote to make them.  I still have one
> left over and could measure it if you need.
>
> Neil Schiller
> 1983 C 35-3, #028, "Grace"
> Whitehall, Michigan
> WLYC
>
> On 1/15/2019 9:57 AM, Dan via CnC-List wrote:
>
> Hi All, I know  this has been discussed many times here but this is a
> quick and simple one.
>
> I'm going to be torquing my keel bolts this spring and I've noticed that
> the washers/spacers under some of the nuts are coroding and need to be
> replaced. I'd like to change them out for Stainless Steel.
>
> What do you guys have for keel bolt washers/spacers and how did you get
> them made?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Dan
> Breakaweigh
> C
> Halifax, NS
>
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Re: Stus-List Keel Bolt Washers

[schiller via CnC-List]

For our old Redwing 35 (C 35-1), I had 300 Series Stainless backing 
plates made to replace the mild steel backing plates on her when we 
bought it.  I wish I could tell you how much they cost, but a friend 
that owns an aerospace machine company made them out of a scrap piece of 
stainless he had.  I had asked him to give me a quote to make them.  I 
still have one left over and could measure it if you need.


Neil Schiller
1983 C 35-3, #028, "Grace"
Whitehall, Michigan
WLYC

On 1/15/2019 9:57 AM, Dan via CnC-List wrote:
Hi All, I know  this has been discussed many times here but this is a 
quick and simple one.


I'm going to be torquing my keel bolts this spring and I've noticed 
that the washers/spacers under some of the nuts are coroding and need 
to be replaced. I'd like to change them out for Stainless Steel.


What do you guys have for keel bolt washers/spacers and how did you 
get them made?


Thanks!

Dan
Breakaweigh
C
Halifax, NS

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Stus-List Bilge pump

[Bruno Lachance via CnC-List]

Hi,

My Rule 1500 is broken and i'm looking for a replacement. I know some people 
here have a system including the mandatory manual pump, the "main", often 
turbine type  electric pump and a low GPH suction pump to empty the bilge.

I'm not quite there yet, and would just like to get the best "main" electric 
pump that could fit. Is there a better option than the Rule 1500 out there that 
would have about the same footprint ? Whale has a new line but the pump is a 
bit bigger. Could a equivalent capacity diaphragm pump be a choice ? What about 
auto pump with integrated switch, are they reliable ?

My setup includes a Rule float swith that will be replaced with a "water witch" 
switch once broken and i use a check valve. (i know some are against this, aka 
Rule themself).

Thanks.


Bruno Lachance
Bécassine, 33 mkII
new-Richmond, Qc
Canada
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Re: Stus-List Tablet for navigation

[Dan via CnC-List]

Bill,
I use it to collect all my data from my old instruments, and multiplex it
just like a Raymarine or B Master control unit. It runs it's own chart
plotter or I can send all my data out through wifi to my tablet or laptop
and use them as a chart plotter. The card is only $50. A a bit of a
headache to set it all up (it took me 2 months off and on) it runs on
Linux. It's rather complicated - too complicated for me as I'm not a coder,
but there's a full operating system and software (free and open source)
called Open Plotter that you install like Windows and it basically sets you
up. You have to figure out how it works and follow guides to get setup, but
no coding necessary.

Dan
Breakaweigh
C
Halifax, NS



On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 12:45 PM Bill Coleman via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> This is interesting, Dan, I have just been reading about these Raspberry
> Pi units and they look like fun to play with.
>
> What exactly do you use it for on your boat? I think this uses Linux, If I
> remember correctly. Can you put charts on them?
>
>
>
> Bill Coleman
>
> C 39 Erie, PA
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Dan
> via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 15, 2019 7:34 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Dan
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Tablet for navigation
>
>
>
> I JUST posted a video about this, except I use a Raspberry Pi for my
> Ship's data, and OpenCPN on my tablet. I've read that you CAN get navionics
> to read the wifi signal, but you need to find out what specific NMEA
> strings Navionics needs. I don't think it uses the standard ones for
> proprietary reasons (or something like that)
>
>
>
> Here's the video:
>
>
>
> https://youtu.be/U3ucE3Rx7Tw
>
>
>
> Dan
>
> Breakaweigh
>
> C
>
> Halifax, NS
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 9:35 PM Joe Della Barba via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> I use iNavX on my old iPad. I like Navionics better, but iNavX will take
> GPS and AIS info via wifi link from my network and Navionics will not. This
> iPad is not cell-equipped and has no GPS of its own.
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
>
>
> On 1/14/2019 8:15 PM, Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List wrote:
>
> To add to Joel’s comment, the iPad must be cellular *capable* (not all of
> them are).  Joel is correct that you need not activate the cell plan.
>
>
>
> *From:* Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
>
> *Sent:* Monday, January 14, 2019 7:53 PM
>
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>
> *Cc:* Joel Aronson 
>
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Tablet for navigation
>
>
>
> Tom
>
>
>
> No. You don’t need to activate the cell plan. The GPS antenna is shared
> with the cell antenna in the iPad.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 7:51 PM T power via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I would like to use an ipad mini 2 with the navionics app to plan and use
> for nav purposes on my boat, this will back up my chart plotter and paper
> charts.
>
>
>
> I read that to use the Navionics app on the water to purchase an ipad that
> has cellular capability.
>
>
>
> So I'm looking at Best buy and see ipads with 4G AT, Verizon, etc...
>
>
>
> So my Question is; Does it matter what provider is noted because I'm only
> using the cellular for the Navionics app?
>
>
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Tom
>
>
>
> Tom Power
>
> Invictus
>
> C 30 MK1
>
> Fredericton, NB
>
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Re: Stus-List Keel Bolt Washers

[Dan via CnC-List]

Awesome, Thanks Rob, I'll check this out!

Dan

On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 12:14 PM robert  wrote:

> Dan:
>
> Try a Fastenall outlet hereI know there is one in Dartmouth, been
> there for various things..maybe one in Halifax.
>
> Another alternative is to have Rod's Machine Shop in Burnside make you
> what you need.
>
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C 32 - #277
> Halifax, N.S.
>
> On 2019-01-15 10:57 a.m., Dan via CnC-List wrote:
>
> Hi All, I know  this has been discussed many times here but this is a
> quick and simple one.
>
> I'm going to be torquing my keel bolts this spring and I've noticed that
> the washers/spacers under some of the nuts are coroding and need to be
> replaced. I'd like to change them out for Stainless Steel.
>
> What do you guys have for keel bolt washers/spacers and how did you get
> them made?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Dan
> Breakaweigh
> C
> Halifax, NS
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Re: Stus-List Tablet for navigation

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

This is interesting, Dan, I have just been reading about these Raspberry Pi 
units and they look like fun to play with.

What exactly do you use it for on your boat? I think this uses Linux, If I 
remember correctly. Can you put charts on them?

 

Bill Coleman

C 39 Erie, PA

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dan via 
CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 7:34 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Dan
Subject: Re: Stus-List Tablet for navigation

 

I JUST posted a video about this, except I use a Raspberry Pi for my Ship's 
data, and OpenCPN on my tablet. I've read that you CAN get navionics to read 
the wifi signal, but you need to find out what specific NMEA strings Navionics 
needs. I don't think it uses the standard ones for proprietary reasons (or 
something like that)

 

Here's the video:

 

https://youtu.be/U3ucE3Rx7Tw

 

Dan

Breakaweigh

C

Halifax, NS

 

 

On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 9:35 PM Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
 wrote:

I use iNavX on my old iPad. I like Navionics better, but iNavX will take GPS 
and AIS info via wifi link from my network and Navionics will not. This iPad is 
not cell-equipped and has no GPS of its own.

Joe

Coquina





On 1/14/2019 8:15 PM, Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List wrote:

To add to Joel’s comment, the iPad must be cellular capable (not all of them 
are).  Joel is correct that you need not activate the cell plan.

 

From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List   

Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 7:53 PM

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 

Cc: Joel Aronson   

Subject: Re: Stus-List Tablet for navigation

 

Tom

 

No. You don’t need to activate the cell plan. The GPS antenna is shared with 
the cell antenna in the iPad. 

 

On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 7:51 PM T power via CnC-List  
wrote:

Hi,

I would like to use an ipad mini 2 with the navionics app to plan and use for 
nav purposes on my boat, this will back up my chart plotter and paper charts.

 

I read that to use the Navionics app on the water to purchase an ipad that has 
cellular capability.

 

So I'm looking at Best buy and see ipads with 4G AT, Verizon, etc... 

 

So my Question is; Does it matter what provider is noted because I'm only using 
the cellular for the Navionics app?

 

Thanks for any help.

 

Cheers,

 

Tom

 

Tom Power

Invictus

C 30 MK1

Fredericton, NB

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Re: Stus-List Keel Bolt Washers

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

Mine were made with 3/8” Barstock with hot rolled steel. I don’t know what they 
were thinking.

I made new ones with SS 3/8” Barstock around the same size.

You can buy  small pieces of barstock form McMaster and sawr  and drill them if 
you choose to go that route. Standard washers are kind of wimpy for the amount 
of torque that these support, unless they are properly bedded.

 

Bill Coleman

C 39 Erie, PA

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dan via 
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Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 9:58 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Dan
Subject: Stus-List Keel Bolt Washers

 

Hi All, I know  this has been discussed many times here but this is a quick and 
simple one.

 

I'm going to be torquing my keel bolts this spring and I've noticed that the 
washers/spacers under some of the nuts are coroding and need to be replaced. 
I'd like to change them out for Stainless Steel.

 

What do you guys have for keel bolt washers/spacers and how did you get them 
made?

 

Thanks!

 

Dan

Breakaweigh

C

Halifax, NS

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Stus-List Nice 35-1 Extreme price drop

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

I heard the owner of the nicely equipped 35-1 near me in Louisiana has
drastically dropped his price.  I have not been able to reach him but I
heard under $15K.  Here's the specs:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1r3tWvusWOJozSlOu6XDUCEZ-nYCSvRhu

Boat has been idle a few years so I don't know what the bottom is like.
This would be a good boat for somebody.

I can provide contact info offline for anyone seriously interested.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List 1988 37R Diesel Tank Replacement Suggestions - searching the archives.

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Re: Searching the archives

There are a couple ways to search the archives.

https://www.mail-archive.com/cnc-list@cnc-list.com/info.html

Put "site:cnc-list@cnc-list.com" AND your search criteria in the Google
search terms
Exmaple:
https://www.google.com/search?ei=JQo-XObCGc65ggfS0JXIAg=site%3Acnc-list%40cnc-list.com+fuel+tank=site%3Acnc-list%40cnc-list.com+fuel+tank_l=mobile-gws-wiz-serp.3...19828.26888..27706...0.0..0.230.1339.1j6j1..01.MAXZGPoykyw


Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD



On Mon, Jan 14, 2019, 6:49 PM Languid Refiner via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
>
> Is a replacement fuel tank something I would get custom made (looking to
> get one in stainless)? Are there standard sizes or somewhere to order one
> from?
>
> My 37R is equipped with the Universal M35. The tank was located
> below/behind the galley sink, I think it was approximately 20 gallons.
>
> On another note, any recommendations for searching through the archived
> emails? Is there a way to do that or just look at them individually?
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Noah
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Stus-List Keel Bolt Washers

[robert via CnC-List]

Dan:

Try a Fastenall outlet hereI know there is one in Dartmouth, been 
there for various things..maybe one in Halifax.


Another alternative is to have Rod's Machine Shop in Burnside make you 
what you need.


Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - #277
Halifax, N.S.

On 2019-01-15 10:57 a.m., Dan via CnC-List wrote:
Hi All, I know  this has been discussed many times here but this is a 
quick and simple one.


I'm going to be torquing my keel bolts this spring and I've noticed 
that the washers/spacers under some of the nuts are coroding and need 
to be replaced. I'd like to change them out for Stainless Steel.


What do you guys have for keel bolt washers/spacers and how did you 
get them made?


Thanks!

Dan
Breakaweigh
C
Halifax, NS

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Re: Stus-List Tablet for navigation

[Neil E. Andersen via CnC-List]

Very true, but you do need cell or Wi-Fi coverage if you need to download maps, 
etc.  What about integrating AIS or other apps like Windy, NOAA weather, etc.

Neil 

Neil Andersen 
1982 C 32 FoxFire

Rock Hall, MD

  neil.eric.ander...@gmail.com

n...@sjyachts.com  

+++

Save money and the environment.

Use Century Gothic font and save 30% of your ink

 

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Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 7:53 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Joel Aronson 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Tablet for navigation

 

Tom

 

No. You don’t need to activate the cell plan. The GPS antenna is shared with 
the cell antenna in the iPad. 

 

On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 7:51 PM T power via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Hi,

I would like to use an ipad mini 2 with the navionics app to plan and use for 
nav purposes on my boat, this will back up my chart plotter and paper charts.

 

I read that to use the Navionics app on the water to purchase an ipad that has 
cellular capability.

 

So I'm looking at Best buy and see ipads with 4G AT, Verizon, etc... 

 

So my Question is; Does it matter what provider is noted because I'm only using 
the cellular for the Navionics app?

 

Thanks for any help.

 

Cheers,

 

Tom

 

Tom Power

Invictus

C 30 MK1

Fredericton, NB

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Re: Stus-List Keel Bolt Washers

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Dan,

Mine came with SS washers.  You can most likely find them on McMaster-Carr
or just make them out of SS sheet.  If I was making them I'd just cut them
square.  You'll probably want no less than 3/32".  There is nothing wrong
with anything thicker.  You’ll find cutting SS is a challenge.  A machine
shop can make these quick and easy.  When sourcing SS look for at least
316.  316L is even better.

You can make a backing plate with G-10 or FRP (also available on McMaster
Carr).  I would use at least 1/4" and probably opt for 1/2".

It is quite frequent for owners to find that the "foundation" is not flat
or square to the stud.  You can fix this by bedding the backing plates with
thickened epoxy (Six10).  It is short sighted to allow the epoxy to bond
the keel bolt in place.  Prevent this by using a FRP tube cut to act as a
protective sleeve.  The sleeve should slide loose on the stud and tightly
in the FPR backing plate.  Tighten the nut only enough to smoosh the
leveling agent (thickened epoxy) out a little.  Let the epoxy cure and then
torque the bolts as appropriate.

https://youtu.be/n6B0IPKQERc

https://www.mcmaster.com/standard-washers

https://www.mcmaster.com/fiberglass-hollow-rods

https://www.mcmaster.com/fiberglass


Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD



On Tue, Jan 15, 2019, 9:58 AM Dan via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Hi All, I know  this has been discussed many times here but this is a
> quick and simple one.
>
> I'm going to be torquing my keel bolts this spring and I've noticed that
> the washers/spacers under some of the nuts are coroding and need to be
> replaced. I'd like to change them out for Stainless Steel.
>
> What do you guys have for keel bolt washers/spacers and how did you get
> them made?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Dan
> Breakaweigh
> C
> Halifax, NS
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Re: Stus-List Tablet for navigation

[Neil E. Andersen via CnC-List]

Tom,

 

The provider decision should be based on who has the best coverage for the
areas that you sail in.  I'm on the Chesapeake Bay (Eastern Shore) and AT
coverage is really bad unless and until you get in range of the Western
Shore.

Neil 

Neil Andersen 
1982 C 32 FoxFire

Rock Hall, MD

  neil.eric.ander...@gmail.com

n...@sjyachts.com  

 

 

From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of T power via
CnC-List
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 7:50 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: T power 
Subject: Stus-List Tablet for navigation

 

Hi,

I would like to use an ipad mini 2 with the navionics app to plan and use
for nav purposes on my boat, this will back up my chart plotter and paper
charts.

 

I read that to use the Navionics app on the water to purchase an ipad that
has cellular capability.

 

So I'm looking at Best buy and see ipads with 4G AT, Verizon, etc... 

 

So my Question is; Does it matter what provider is noted because I'm only
using the cellular for the Navionics app?

 

Thanks for any help.

 

Cheers,

 

Tom

 

Tom Power

Invictus

C 30 MK1

Fredericton, NB

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Stus-List Keel Bolt Washers

[Dan via CnC-List]

Hi All, I know  this has been discussed many times here but this is a quick
and simple one.

I'm going to be torquing my keel bolts this spring and I've noticed that
the washers/spacers under some of the nuts are coroding and need to be
replaced. I'd like to change them out for Stainless Steel.

What do you guys have for keel bolt washers/spacers and how did you get
them made?

Thanks!

Dan
Breakaweigh
C
Halifax, NS
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Re: Stus-List 1988 37R Diesel Tank Replacement Suggestions

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

I purchased a plastic tank from Moeller for my 34R. The OEM aluminum tank 
started weeping. Plastics and hose rubber is much improved since our boats were 
built. Measure the old tank and look up your options at the Moeller website. 
You may want to go bigger than 20 gallons if you plan to do any distance runs.

http://moellermarine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Open-Stock-Fuel-Tanks-rev2-2082016.pdf

C


> On January 14, 2019 at 6:48 PM Languid Refiner via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Everyone, 
> 
> Is a replacement fuel tank something I would get custom made (looking to 
> get one in stainless)? Are there standard sizes or somewhere to order one 
> from? 
> 
> My 37R is equipped with the Universal M35. The tank was located 
> below/behind the galley sink, I think it was approximately 20 gallons.
> 
> On another note, any recommendations for searching through the archived 
> emails? Is there a way to do that or just look at them individually?
> 
> Thanks in advance!
> 
> Noah 
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My fault in part, because of an attachment, sorry about that.  I'll be more
careful in the future.

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> take up a lot of unnecessary and costly space.
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> bottom.
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This past couple of weeks, there have been over a dozen emails that were not 
trimmed and were originally rejected by our mail program.  I let a few go 
through because they were just over the limit.

As I have said many times before,  every email message sent to our list gets 
archived and I (we) pay for that storage.  Untrimmed messages just take up a 
lot of unnecessary and costly space.

The limit for each email message is a generous 50K.  So if you want your 
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[Dan via CnC-List]

I JUST posted a video about this, except I use a Raspberry Pi for my Ship's
data, and OpenCPN on my tablet. I've read that you CAN get navionics to
read the wifi signal, but you need to find out what specific NMEA strings
Navionics needs. I don't think it uses the standard ones for proprietary
reasons (or something like that)

Here's the video:

https://youtu.be/U3ucE3Rx7Tw

Dan
Breakaweigh
C
Halifax, NS


On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 9:35 PM Joe Della Barba via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I use iNavX on my old iPad. I like Navionics better, but iNavX will take
> GPS and AIS info via wifi link from my network and Navionics will not. This
> iPad is not cell-equipped and has no GPS of its own.
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
> On 1/14/2019 8:15 PM, Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List wrote:
>
> To add to Joel’s comment, the iPad must be cellular *capable* (not all of
> them are).  Joel is correct that you need not activate the cell plan.
>
> *From:* Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Monday, January 14, 2019 7:53 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Joel Aronson 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Tablet for navigation
>
> Tom
>
> No. You don’t need to activate the cell plan. The GPS antenna is shared
> with the cell antenna in the iPad.
>
> On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 7:51 PM T power via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> I would like to use an ipad mini 2 with the navionics app to plan and use
>> for nav purposes on my boat, this will back up my chart plotter and paper
>> charts.
>>
>> I read that to use the Navionics app on the water to purchase an ipad
>> that has cellular capability.
>>
>> So I'm looking at Best buy and see ipads with 4G AT, Verizon, etc...
>>
>> So my Question is; Does it matter what provider is noted because I'm only
>> using the cellular for the Navionics app?
>>
>> Thanks for any help.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> Tom Power
>> Invictus
>> C 30 MK1
>> Fredericton, NB
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