Re: Stus-List Autopilot Recommendations

[Michael Brown via CnC-List]

I had a Raymarine ST4000 wheel drive that worked but in some circumstances
not well. Trying to use it upwind into waves had it steering all over the 
place, and
playing with the damping settings didn't solve it. At lower speeds it would 
hunt a lot.

At the Toronto boat show I spoke with the people at the Raymarine booth, and was
told to add a rudder sensor. Since I have no play in the steering and the 
geometry
doesn't change I also wondered why it would make a difference. The answer was
that the software handles the steering differently when it can measure the 
rudder
angle directly rather than stepping the drive motor and calculating the angle.

I added the sensor. My guess is that it didn't do much. Maybe a bit more stable
upwind, still not great though.

Michael Brown
Windburn
C 30-1


Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 12:06:07 -0400 
From: "Rick Brass" <rickbr...@earthlink.net> 
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>From all the comments over the past few years I know that David's comment is 
true. But I have always wondered "WHY?". What changed to make the rudder 
position sensor essential? 
 
  
 
Over the years I've had an Autohelm tillerpilot (800 I think) on a 27 and a 
Raymarine 1000 tillerpilot on my 25 with tiller steering. A Raymarine 3000 
belt driven wheel pilot. And there is a Navico 5000 wheel pilot on my 38 
(I'm sure it isn't older than dirt, but it is almost older than plastic). 
None of these has a wheel sensor - relying only on heading information from 
the fluxgate compass built into them to steer the boat. All of them worked 
well.  
 
  
 
The Navico took a bit of adjustment to the settings to optimize performance 
(I suspect the PO had never set it up since the wheel lock to lock setting 
was the default and not the proper number for the boat), but once set up the 
wheelpilot will steer the boat for miles and miles without a variance from 
the desired heading of over a degree or two. 
 
  
 
So what has changed with the newer autopilots to make the rudder position 
sensor so important? 
 
  
 
Rick Brass 
 
Imzadi  C 38 mk 2 
 
la Belle Aurore C 25 mk1 
 
Washington, NC 
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Re: Stus-List Autopilot Recommendations

[William Walker via CnC-List]

Thanks for info.  I use it primarily when motoring.  Upwind it does pretty 
well.  Downwind in fillowi g seas not so well. 
Bill Walker



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On Monday, October 12, 2015 Michael Brown via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
wrote:

I had a Raymarine ST4000 wheel drive that worked but in some circumstances
not well. Trying to use it upwind into waves had it steering all over the 
place, and
playing with the damping settings didn't solve it. At lower speeds it would 
hunt a lot.

At the Toronto boat show I spoke with the people at the Raymarine booth, and was
told to add a rudder sensor. Since I have no play in the steering and the 
geometry
doesn't change I also wondered why it would make a difference. The answer was
that the software handles the steering differently when it can measure the 
rudder
angle directly rather than stepping the drive motor and calculating the angle.

I added the sensor. My guess is that it didn't do much. Maybe a bit more stable
upwind, still not great though.

Michael Brown
Windburn
C 30-1

Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 12:06:07 -0400 

From: "Rick Brass" <rickbr...@earthlink.net> 
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Autopilot Recommendations 
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>From all the comments over the past few years I know that David's comment is 
true. But I have always wondered "WHY?". What changed to make the rudder 
position sensor essential? 



Over the years I've had an Autohelm tillerpilot (800 I think) on a 27 and a 
Raymarine 1000 tillerpilot on my 25 with tiller steering. A Raymarine 3000 
belt driven wheel pilot. And there is a Navico 5000 wheel pilot on my 38 
(I'm sure it isn't older than dirt, but it is almost older than plastic). 
None of these has a wheel sensor - relying only on heading information from 
the fluxgate compass built into them to steer the boat. All of them worked 
well. 



The Navico took a bit of adjustment to the settings to optimize performance 
(I suspect the PO had never set it up since the wheel lock to lock setting 
was the default and not the proper number for the boat), but once set up the 
wheelpilot will steer the boat for miles and miles without a variance from 
the desired heading of over a degree or two. 



So what has changed with the newer autopilots to make the rudder position 
sensor so important? 



Rick Brass 

Imzadi  C 38 mk 2 

la Belle Aurore C 25 mk1 

Washington, NC 

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Re: Stus-List Autopilot Recommendations

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Doug — sorry for the delay; it’s haulout weekend.  Yes, on any Raymarine 
autopilot systems older than the current EVO systems, you really need to have 
the rudder reference transducer installed and calibrated to get decent 
performance out of the system.

You should have gotten a transducer along with the X10 system; I’ve got one 
around somewhere if you don’t find yours.

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

> On Oct 9, 2015, at 9:33 PM, svpegasu...@gmail.com via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I had to get auto pilot because my cat refuses to take the helm. So I got the 
> Raymarine X10 with linear drive and a St70 control head. Thinking I should 
> add a rudder transducer... am thinking this will lessen the constant 
> adjustments from the pilot. What is your opinion Fred? 
> 
> Doug Mountjoy
> svPegasus
> LF38 
> just west of Ballard, WA.

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Re: Stus-List Autopilot Recommendations

[svpegasus38]

Fred, I never got the transducer with my system. If you have one I would be 
more than happy to buy it off you. 
Doug MountjoysvPegasusLF38 just west of Ballard, WA.




-- Original message--From: Frederick G Street via CnC-List Date: Sun, 
Oct 11, 2015 06:11To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com;Cc: Frederick G Street;Subject:Re: 
Stus-List Autopilot Recommendations
Doug — sorry for the delay; it’s haulout weekend.  Yes, on any Raymarine 
autopilot systems older than the current EVO systems, you really need to have 
the rudder reference transducer installed and calibrated to get decent 
performance out of the system.
You should have gotten a transducer along with the X10 system; I’ve got one 
around somewhere if you don’t find yours.
— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
On Oct 9, 2015, at 9:33 PM, svpegasu...@gmail.com via CnC-List 
 wrote:
I had to get auto pilot because my cat refuses to take the helm. So I got the 
Raymarine X10 with linear drive and a St70 control head. Thinking I should add 
a rudder transducer... am thinking this will lessen the constant adjustments 
from the pilot. What is your opinion Fred? 
Doug MountjoysvPegasusLF38 just west of Ballard, WA.


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Re: Stus-List Autopilot Recommendations

[William Walker via CnC-List]

Fred,
  I guess this goes for st4000 wheel pilots too?  Are there any available for 
these and how tough an install.  
Bill Walker
CnC 36
Pentwater, Mi



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On Sunday, October 11, 2015 Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Doug — sorry for the delay; it’s haulout weekend.  Yes, on any Raymarine 
autopilot systems older than the current EVO systems, you really need to have 
the rudder reference transducer installed and calibrated to get decent 
performance out of the system.


You should have gotten a transducer along with the X10 system; I’ve got one 
around somewhere if you don’t find yours.


— Fred


Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(


On Oct 9, 2015, at 9:33 PM, svpegasu...@gmail.com via CnC-List 
 wrote:


I had to get auto pilot because my cat refuses to take the helm. So I got the 
Raymarine X10 with linear drive and a St70 control head. Thinking I should add 
a rudder transducer... am thinking this will lessen the constant adjustments 
from the pilot. What is your opinion Fred? 


Doug Mountjoy

svPegasus

LF38 

just west of Ballard, WA.


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Re: Stus-List Autopilot Recommendations

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

>From all the comments over the past few years I know that David's comment is
true. But I have always wondered "WHY?". What changed to make the rudder
position sensor essential?

 

Over the years I've had an Autohelm tillerpilot (800 I think) on a 27 and a
Raymarine 1000 tillerpilot on my 25 with tiller steering. A Raymarine 3000
belt driven wheel pilot. And there is a Navico 5000 wheel pilot on my 38
(I'm sure it isn't older than dirt, but it is almost older than plastic).
None of these has a wheel sensor - relying only on heading information from
the fluxgate compass built into them to steer the boat. All of them worked
well. 

 

The Navico took a bit of adjustment to the settings to optimize performance
(I suspect the PO had never set it up since the wheel lock to lock setting
was the default and not the proper number for the boat), but once set up the
wheelpilot will steer the boat for miles and miles without a variance from
the desired heading of over a degree or two.

 

So what has changed with the newer autopilots to make the rudder position
sensor so important?

 

Rick Brass

Imzadi  C 38 mk 2

la Belle Aurore C 25 mk1

Washington, NC

 

 

 

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Autopilot Recommendations

 

Without the rudder position indicator the auto pilot is flying blind.  It
does not have a key component that allows them to do their job well.

David F. Risch
1981 40-2
(401) 419-4650 (cell)



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I had to get auto pilot because my cat refuses to take the helm. So I got
the Raymarine X10 with linear drive and a St70 control head. Thinking I
should add a rudder transducer... am thinking this will lessen the constant
adjustments from the pilot. What is your opinion Fred? 

 

Doug Mountjoy

svPegasus

LF38 

just west of Ballard, WA. 

 


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Re: Stus-List Autopilot Recommendations

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

To Rick's question, I have no idea why the old ones worked, they may have been 
designed to simply follow a compass course, but I think that from the four 
thousand on they were designed to have feedback from the runner position 
sensor. I know mine was worthless until I put it in. A salesman at defender 
told me I didn't need it. He was wrong. It was a royal Pia to install. The 
smaller the quarters, the more pain. I think I still have a drawing of how I 
mounted it on the quadrant and pictures. Don't know how similar they are but 
probably not too far off if you are interested.


Bill Coleman C

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Date: 10/11/2015  9:37 AM  (GMT-05:00) 
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Autopilot Recommendations 

Fred,

  I guess this goes for st4000 wheel pilots too?  Are there any available for 
these and how tough an install.  

Bill Walker

CnC 36

Pentwater, Mi




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On Sunday, October 11, 2015 Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

Doug — sorry for the delay; it’s haulout weekend.  Yes, on any Raymarine 
autopilot systems older than the current EVO systems, you really need to have 
the rudder reference transducer installed and calibrated to get decent 
performance out of the system.
You should have gotten a transducer along with the X10 system; I’ve got one 
around somewhere if you don’t find yours.
— Fred


Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(



On Oct 9, 2015, at 9:33 PM, svpegasu...@gmail.com via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
I had to get auto pilot because my cat refuses to take the helm. So I got the 
Raymarine X10 with linear drive and a St70 control head. Thinking I should add 
a rudder transducer... am thinking this will lessen the constant adjustments 
from the pilot. What is your opinion Fred? 
Doug MountjoysvPegasusLF38 just west of Ballard, WA.
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Re: Stus-List Autopilot Recommendations

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Bill — the older ST4000 wheelpilot does not use a rudder reference transducer; 
but the newer ST4000+ does.  It should have shipped with one.  They are 
available as a standalone part, for about $250 plus shipping.  As I mentioned 
before, I have a spare here somewhere; if anyone is interested, the first $150 
plus $15 to ship takes it.  This is brand new in the box.

As far as installation goes, that’s definitely the hardest part.  As each boat 
may be a bit different, and I’m not familiar with the 36’s steering system and 
accessibility, I can’t give you an exact idea.

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

> On Oct 11, 2015, at 8:37 AM, William Walker via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Fred,
>   I guess this goes for st4000 wheel pilots too?  Are there any available for 
> these and how tough an install.  
> Bill Walker
> CnC 36
> Pentwater, Mi
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Re: Stus-List Autopilot Recommendations

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

See my reply to Bill.


Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

> On Oct 11, 2015, at 10:36 AM, svpegasu...@gmail.com via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Fred, I never got the transducer with my system. If you have one I would be 
> more than happy to buy it off you. 
> 
> Doug Mountjoy
> svPegasus
> LF38
> just west of Ballard, WA
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Re: Stus-List Autopilot Recommendations

[Douglas Mountjoy via CnC-List]

Fred I will definitely take that transducer off of your hands. Can you
contact me off list. Technology is not my strong suit.

Thanks,



Doug Mountjoy
sv Pegasus
LF38
just west of Ballard, WA

On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 6:41 PM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Bill — the older ST4000 wheelpilot does not use a rudder reference
> transducer; but the newer ST4000+ does.  It should have shipped with one.
> They are available as a standalone part, for about $250 plus shipping.  As
> I mentioned before, I have a spare here somewhere; if anyone is interested,
> the first $150 plus $15 to ship takes it.  This is brand new in the box.
>
> As far as installation goes, that’s definitely the hardest part.  As each
> boat may be a bit different, and I’m not familiar with the 36’s steering
> system and accessibility, I can’t give you an exact idea.
>
> — Fred
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
>
> On Oct 11, 2015, at 8:37 AM, William Walker via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Fred,
>   I guess this goes for st4000 wheel pilots too?  Are there any available
> for these and how tough an install.
> Bill Walker
> CnC 36
> Pentwater, Mi
>
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Re: Stus-List Autopilot Recommendations

[Knowles Rich via CnC-List]

Unfortunate you had problems with Raymarine support.

RK


Rich Knowles
Nanaimo, BC
Boatless!





On Oct 9, 2015, at 09:30, Pete Shelquist via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
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Rich –
The SPX-30.  Ray tech support has it - Not repairable, but is replaceable.   
It’s not worth going into detail on dealing with tech support to get to this 
conclusion, but it wasn’t great.  However, congratulations on your whack of 
systems with few problems.
 
I don’t have any hydraulics – AP ram or other, so it doesn’t apply to me and I 
didn’t intend to infer it would work with all systems, if that’s your point.  
Because it doesn’t apply doesn’t mean it should be discounted either.  It is 
clever engineering.  
 
 
 
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Pete:
 
Out of curiosity, what “died” in your Raymarine system? I have owned and 
installed a whack of these systems and have had very few problems over the 
years. 
 
Also, unless I’m suffering more than usual today, the Garmin Shadow Drive will 
only work when installed in the line from a helm pump in a fully hydraulic 
steering system. It will not work on a cable driven system such as that found 
in most C sail boats. Nice idea, but….
 
Rich Knowles
Nanaimo, BC
Boatless!




 
On Oct 9, 2015, at 06:56, Pete Shelquist via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
 
Cruising World  has a article summarizing different autopilot manufacturers in 
the Oct issue.  Not a lot of detail, but another source of input.
 
I installed Raymarine SPX-30 in ’08 and it died on me this summer.  I’ll 
replace with Garmin over the winter.   Next summer I’ll be able to give a more 
thorough review of difference, but the Shadow Drive function in Garmin is very 
clever.
 
#friendsdon’tletfriendsbuyraymarine
 
 
 
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Listers, 
 
My wife is considering buying me an autopilot system for my 50th (YIKES!) 
birthday next year to replace our failing Robertson unit. She saw the video 
from the 2015 Northeast Rendezvous of Nader sitting in his cockpit eating lunch 
while the boat drove itself to Clinton and said “Oh you gotta have that!” 
 
The Octopus hydraulic drive is already installed and I’m somewhat partial to 
the Raymarine EV-200 system (and Fred Street has pretty good pricing), but 
wanted to see if anyone else has recommendations on units I should look at. 
 

All the best,
 
Edd
 
 
Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log <http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/>
 








 



 
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Re: Stus-List Autopilot Recommendations

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Typically the tiller pilots never had them; if you think about it, if you have 
tiller steering, you don’t have a quadrant to attach the transducer to.  And 
the older wheelpilots just used a fluxgate compass to steer to.  But the 
results weren’t always as good as they could be, so the ST4000+ added the 
transducer (which has pretty much always been a part of the below-deck pilot 
installations) to improve its performance, particularly downwind (which is 
problematic for many pilots).

The new Raymarine EVO pilot systems still use the transducer; but Raymarine 
says it’s “recommended”, not necessary.  According to the EV install manual:

> The connection of a rudder reference unit is highly recommended, to help 
> ensure optimum autopilot performance...
> 
> Certain environmental conditions such as a cross-current can cause the 
> autopilot system to steer persistently to port or starboard, even when the 
> rudder is centered.  With a rudder reference unit connected to your autopilot 
> system, you can use an autopilot control head to specify an offset angle in 
> +/– degrees to compensate for inaccurate rudder angle information caused by 
> such conditions.
> 
> The more accurate the rudder angle information, the more accurately the 
> autopilot system can keep to a correct course.

And for Pete Shelquist, even Garmin offers it as an option:

> Add Even More Peace of Mind
> Add an optional GRF 10 rudder feedback sensor and you can further enhance the 
> performance of your GHP Reactor autopilot with SmartPump.

:^)

— Fred


Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(



> On Oct 11, 2015, at 11:06 AM, Rick Brass via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> From all the comments over the past few years I know that David’s comment is 
> true. But I have always wondered “WHY?”. What changed to make the rudder 
> position sensor essential?
>  
> Over the years I’ve had an Autohelm tillerpilot (800 I think) on a 27 and a 
> Raymarine 1000 tillerpilot on my 25 with tiller steering. A Raymarine 3000 
> belt driven wheel pilot. And there is a Navico 5000 wheel pilot on my 38 (I’m 
> sure it isn’t older than dirt, but it is almost older than plastic). None of 
> these has a wheel sensor – relying only on heading information from the 
> fluxgate compass built into them to steer the boat. All of them worked well. 
>  
> The Navico took a bit of adjustment to the settings to optimize performance 
> (I suspect the PO had never set it up since the wheel lock to lock setting 
> was the default and not the proper number for the boat), but once set up the 
> wheelpilot will steer the boat for miles and miles without a variance from 
> the desired heading of over a degree or two.
>  
> So what has changed with the newer autopilots to make the rudder position 
> sensor so important?
>  
> Rick Brass
> Imzadi  C 38 mk 2
> la Belle Aurore C 25 mk1
> Washington, NC

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Without the rudder position indicator the auto pilot is flying blind.  It does 
not have a key component that allows them to do their job well.

David F. Risch
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(401) 419-4650 (cell)


Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 19:33:10 -0700
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
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From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
CC: svpegasu...@gmail.com







I had to get auto pilot because my cat refuses to take the helm. So I got 
the Raymarine X10 with linear drive and a St70 control head. Thinking I should 
add a rudder transducer... am thinking this will lessen the constant 
adjustments from the pilot. What is your opinion Fred? 
Doug MountjoysvPegasusLF38 just west of Ballard, WA.






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Re: Stus-List Autopilot Recommendations

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All this chatter about autopilots;  its really nice when they work... I had to 
motor for about 15 miles today, and I found that by setting the autopilot I 
could clean the boat and  store gear while the boat drove itself...(I did keep 
a sharp eye out for staying on course and barges...)


Richard
1985 C 37; Ohio River; Mile 599; 

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My C 35 was a quadrant (quarter circle).


Gary
'90 C 37 Plus



~~~_/)~~




On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 1:44 PM, Russ & Melody via CnC-List 
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I've always wondered why these things are called quadrants when they areclearly 
all 'round... :)

Cheers,Russ



At 09:49 AM 09/10/2015, you wrote:

Ron,


The control goes through to under the helm seat and attached to 
thequadrant:https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15162917/ENTERPRISE/quadrant.jpg


All the best,

Edd


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Re: Stus-List Autopilot Recommendations

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I had to get auto pilot because my cat refuses to take the helm. So I got 
the Raymarine X10 with linear drive and a St70 control head. Thinking I should 
add a rudder transducer... am thinking this will lessen the constant 
adjustments from the pilot. What is your opinion Fred? 
Doug MountjoysvPegasusLF38 just west of Ballard, WA.





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Re: Stus-List Autopilot Recommendations

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

Edson calls their quadrants "Quadrants".

They call the round wheel that replaces a quadrant and a couple of sheaves
a "Radial Drive Wheel"

Ken H.



On 9 October 2015 at 14:44, Russ & Melody via CnC-List <
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>
> I've always wondered why these things are called quadrants when they are
> clearly all 'round... :)
>
> Cheers, Russ
>
>
>
> At 09:49 AM 09/10/2015, you wrote:
>
> Ron,
>
>
> The control goes through to under the helm seat and attached to the
> *quadrant*:
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15162917/ENTERPRISE/quadrant.jpg
>
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
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Re: Stus-List Autopilot Recommendations

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My C 35 was a quadrant (quarter circle).

Gary
'90 C 37 Plus

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>
> I've always wondered why these things are called quadrants when they are
> clearly all 'round... :)
>
> Cheers, Russ
>
>
>
> At 09:49 AM 09/10/2015, you wrote:
>
> Ron,
>
>
> The control goes through to under the helm seat and attached to the
> *quadrant*:
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15162917/ENTERPRISE/quadrant.jpg
>
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
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Re: Stus-List Autopilot Recommendations

[Ron Ricci via CnC-List]

Edd,

 

You are a lucky guy!  Do you have any photos showing how your existing Octopus 
cylinder is mounted?

 

I have all Raymarine equipment and the EV-200 looks pretty neat.  It seems like 
many of us that own 37+’s are either upgrading or looking at installing 
autopilots.

 

Thanks,

Ron

Ron Ricci

S/V Patriot

C 37+

Bristol, RI

  ron.ri...@1968.usna.com

 

  

 

From: Edd Schillay [mailto:e...@schillay.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2015 5:56 PM
To: C List
Subject: Stus-List Autopilot Recommendations

 

Listers,

 

My wife is considering buying me an autopilot system for my 50th (YIKES!) 
birthday next year to replace our failing Robertson unit. She saw the video 
from the 2015 Northeast Rendezvous of Nader sitting in his cockpit eating lunch 
while the boat drove itself to Clinton and said “Oh you gotta have that!” 

 

The Octopus hydraulic drive is already installed and I’m somewhat partial to 
the Raymarine EV-200 system (and Fred Street has pretty good pricing), but 
wanted to see if anyone else has recommendations on units I should look at. 

 


All the best,

 

Edd

 

 

Edd M. Schillay

Starship Enterprise

C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B

City Island, NY 

Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log  

 









   

 






 

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Re: Stus-List Autopilot Recommendations

[Pete Shelquist via CnC-List]

Rich –

The SPX-30.  Ray tech support has it - Not repairable, but is replaceable.   
It’s not worth going into detail on dealing with tech support to get to this 
conclusion, but it wasn’t great.  However, congratulations on your whack of 
systems with few problems.

 

I don’t have any hydraulics – AP ram or other, so it doesn’t apply to me and I 
didn’t intend to infer it would work with all systems, if that’s your point.  
Because it doesn’t apply doesn’t mean it should be discounted either.  It is 
clever engineering.  

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Knowles Rich 
via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2015 9:58 AM
To: cnc-list Cnc-List
Cc: Knowles Rich
Subject: Re: Stus-List Autopilot Recommendations

 

Pete:

 

Out of curiosity, what “died” in your Raymarine system? I have owned and 
installed a whack of these systems and have had very few problems over the 
years. 

 

Also, unless I’m suffering more than usual today, the Garmin Shadow Drive will 
only work when installed in the line from a helm pump in a fully hydraulic 
steering system. It will not work on a cable driven system such as that found 
in most C sail boats. Nice idea, but….

 

Rich Knowles

Nanaimo, BC
Boatless!





 

On Oct 9, 2015, at 06:56, Pete Shelquist via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
wrote:

 

Cruising World  has a article summarizing different autopilot manufacturers in 
the Oct issue.  Not a lot of detail, but another source of input.

 

I installed Raymarine SPX-30 in ’08 and it died on me this summer.  I’ll 
replace with Garmin over the winter.   Next summer I’ll be able to give a more 
thorough review of difference, but the Shadow Drive function in Garmin is very 
clever.

 

#friendsdon’tletfriendsbuyraymarine

 

 

 

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Sent: Thu, Oct 8, 2015 5:56 pm
Subject: Stus-List Autopilot Recommendations

Listers, 

 

My wife is considering buying me an autopilot system for my 50th (YIKES!) 
birthday next year to replace our failing Robertson unit. She saw the video 
from the 2015 Northeast Rendezvous of Nader sitting in his cockpit eating lunch 
while the boat drove itself to Clinton and said “Oh you gotta have that!” 

 

The Octopus hydraulic drive is already installed and I’m somewhat partial to 
the Raymarine EV-200 system (and Fred Street has pretty good pricing), but 
wanted to see if anyone else has recommendations on units I should look at. 

 


All the best,

 

Edd

 

 

Edd M. Schillay

Starship Enterprise

C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B

City Island, NY 

 <http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log

 











 






 

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Re: Stus-List Autopilot Recommendations

[Bill Hoyne via CnC-List]

I too an going through the same process with autopilots. My boat came with a 
linear drive already installed - one plus.
I bought the Garmin quatix  watch on a whim :-) so I am leaning towards a 
Garmin.

-bill

Bill Hoyne
Mithrandir
’74 C MkII
in Victoria,BC



> On Oct 9, 2015, at 8:56 AM, Pete Shelquist via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Cruising World  has a article summarizing different autopilot manufacturers 
> in the Oct issue.  Not a lot of detail, but another source of input.
>  
> I installed Raymarine SPX-30 in ’08 and it died on me this summer.  I’ll 
> replace with Garmin over the winter.   Next summer I’ll be able to give a 
> more thorough review of difference, but the Shadow Drive function in Garmin 
> is very clever.
>  
> #friendsdon’tletfriendsbuyraymarine
>  
>  
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List  >
> To: C List >
> Cc: Edd Schillay >
> Sent: Thu, Oct 8, 2015 5:56 pm
> Subject: Stus-List Autopilot Recommendations
> 
> Listers, 
>  
> My wife is considering buying me an autopilot system for my 50th (YIKES!) 
> birthday next year to replace our failing Robertson unit. She saw the video 
> from the 2015 Northeast Rendezvous of Nader sitting in his cockpit eating 
> lunch while the boat drove itself to Clinton and said “Oh you gotta have 
> that!” 
>  
> The Octopus hydraulic drive is already installed and I’m somewhat partial to 
> the Raymarine EV-200 system (and Fred Street has pretty good pricing), but 
> wanted to see if anyone else has recommendations on units I should look at. 
>  
> 
> All the best,
>  
> Edd
>  
>  
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, NY 
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
>  
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Re: Stus-List Autopilot Recommendations

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Ron,

The hydraulic pump is set up inside the access hatch on the port side of the 
helm seat. Here is a pic: 
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15162917/ENTERPRISE/hydraulic.jpg (Excuse 
the mess — this was taken right after my new engine was installed and I still 
have to clean up all the wiring.)

The control goes through to under the helm seat and attached to the quadrant: 
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15162917/ENTERPRISE/quadrant.jpg 

Looks like this will be my last weekend of sailing for the year — Let’s go! 
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15162917/ENTERPRISE/STID-warp.m4v) 




All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 










> On Oct 9, 2015, at 12:26 PM, Ron Ricci  wrote:
> 
> Edd,
>  
> You are a lucky guy!  Do you have any photos showing how your existing 
> Octopus cylinder is mounted?
>  
> I have all Raymarine equipment and the EV-200 looks pretty neat.  It seems 
> like many of us that own 37+’s are either upgrading or looking at installing 
> autopilots.
>  
> Thanks,
> Ron
> Ron Ricci
> S/V Patriot
> C 37+
> Bristol, RI
> ron.ri...@1968.usna.com 
>  
>   
>  
> From: Edd Schillay [mailto:e...@schillay.com ] 
> Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2015 5:56 PM
> To: C List
> Subject: Stus-List Autopilot Recommendations
>  
> Listers,
>  
> My wife is considering buying me an autopilot system for my 50th (YIKES!) 
> birthday next year to replace our failing Robertson unit. She saw the video 
> from the 2015 Northeast Rendezvous of Nader sitting in his cockpit eating 
> lunch while the boat drove itself to Clinton and said “Oh you gotta have 
> that!” 
>  
> The Octopus hydraulic drive is already installed and I’m somewhat partial to 
> the Raymarine EV-200 system (and Fred Street has pretty good pricing), but 
> wanted to see if anyone else has recommendations on units I should look at. 
>  
> 
> All the best,
>  
> Edd
>  
>  
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, NY 
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
>  
> 
> 

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Re: Stus-List Autopilot Recommendations

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

I've always wondered why these things are called quadrants when they 
are clearly all 'round... :)


Cheers, Russ



At 09:49 AM 09/10/2015, you wrote:

Ron,


The control goes through to under the helm seat and attached to the 
quadrant: 
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15162917/ENTERPRISE/quadrant.jpg 




All the best,

Edd
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Re: Stus-List Autopilot Recommendations

[Pete Shelquist via CnC-List]

Cruising World  has a article summarizing different autopilot manufacturers in 
the Oct issue.  Not a lot of detail, but another source of input.

 

I installed Raymarine SPX-30 in ’08 and it died on me this summer.  I’ll 
replace with Garmin over the winter.   Next summer I’ll be able to give a more 
thorough review of difference, but the Shadow Drive function in Garmin is very 
clever.

 

#friendsdon’tletfriendsbuyraymarine

 

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
To: C List 
Cc: Edd Schillay 
Sent: Thu, Oct 8, 2015 5:56 pm
Subject: Stus-List Autopilot Recommendations

Listers, 

 

My wife is considering buying me an autopilot system for my 50th (YIKES!) 
birthday next year to replace our failing Robertson unit. She saw the video 
from the 2015 Northeast Rendezvous of Nader sitting in his cockpit eating lunch 
while the boat drove itself to Clinton and said “Oh you gotta have that!” 

 

The Octopus hydraulic drive is already installed and I’m somewhat partial to 
the Raymarine EV-200 system (and Fred Street has pretty good pricing), but 
wanted to see if anyone else has recommendations on units I should look at. 

 


All the best,

 

Edd

 

 

Edd M. Schillay

Starship Enterprise

C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B

City Island, NY 

Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log  

 











 





 

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Re: Stus-List Autopilot Recommendations

[Knowles Rich via CnC-List]

Pete:

Out of curiosity, what “died” in your Raymarine system? I have owned and 
installed a whack of these systems and have had very few problems over the 
years. 

Also, unless I’m suffering more than usual today, the Garmin Shadow Drive will 
only work when installed in the line from a helm pump in a fully hydraulic 
steering system. It will not work on a cable driven system such as that found 
in most C sail boats. Nice idea, but….

Rich Knowles
Nanaimo, BC
Boatless!





On Oct 9, 2015, at 06:56, Pete Shelquist via CnC-List  
wrote:

Cruising World  has a article summarizing different autopilot manufacturers in 
the Oct issue.  Not a lot of detail, but another source of input.
 
I installed Raymarine SPX-30 in ’08 and it died on me this summer.  I’ll 
replace with Garmin over the winter.   Next summer I’ll be able to give a more 
thorough review of difference, but the Shadow Drive function in Garmin is very 
clever.
 
#friendsdon’tletfriendsbuyraymarine
 
 
 
-Original Message-
From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List >
To: C List >
Cc: Edd Schillay >
Sent: Thu, Oct 8, 2015 5:56 pm
Subject: Stus-List Autopilot Recommendations

Listers, 
 
My wife is considering buying me an autopilot system for my 50th (YIKES!) 
birthday next year to replace our failing Robertson unit. She saw the video 
from the 2015 Northeast Rendezvous of Nader sitting in his cockpit eating lunch 
while the boat drove itself to Clinton and said “Oh you gotta have that!” 
 
The Octopus hydraulic drive is already installed and I’m somewhat partial to 
the Raymarine EV-200 system (and Fred Street has pretty good pricing), but 
wanted to see if anyone else has recommendations on units I should look at. 
 

All the best,
 
Edd
 
 
Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
 








 


 
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Re: Stus-List Autopilot Recommendations

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Kid and their toys!

Listen to Fred!
Joel

On Thursday, October 8, 2015, Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
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> Listers,
>
> My wife is considering buying me an autopilot system for my 50th (YIKES!)
> birthday next year to replace our failing Robertson unit. She saw the video
> from the 2015 Northeast Rendezvous of Nader sitting in his cockpit eating
> lunch while the boat drove itself to Clinton and said “Oh you gotta have
> that!”
>
> The Octopus hydraulic drive is already installed and I’m somewhat partial
> to the Raymarine EV-200 system (and Fred Street has pretty good pricing),
> but wanted to see if anyone else has recommendations on units I should look
> at.
>
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, NY
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

-- 
Joel
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Re: Stus-List Autopilot Recommendations

[Graham Collins via CnC-List]

+1 on the EV-200 system.  It steers like the boat is on rails. Maybe I 
exaggerate, but still...


Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C 35-III #11

On 2015-10-08 6:56 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List wrote:

Listers,

My wife is considering buying me an autopilot system for my 50th 
(YIKES!) birthday next year to replace our failing Robertson unit. She 
saw the video from the 2015 Northeast Rendezvous of Nader sitting in 
his cockpit eating lunch while the boat drove itself to Clinton and 
said “Oh you gotta have that!”


The Octopus hydraulic drive is already installed and I’m somewhat 
partial to the Raymarine EV-200 system (and Fred Street has pretty 
good pricing), but wanted to see if anyone else has recommendations on 
units I should look at.



All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 








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Re: Stus-List Autopilot Recommendations

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

I've been using the Raymarine stuff a LOT the last few years and the quality is 
definitely there. I'm thinking of the EV 200 for peregrine to replace my dying 
15 yr old course computer. 

Andy
C 40
Peregrine

Andrew Burton
PO Box 632
Newport, RI 
USA 02840

+401 965 5260


> On Oct 8, 2015, at 18:40, Joel Aronson via CnC-List  
> wrote:
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> Kid and their toys!
> 
> Listen to Fred!
> Joel
> 
>> On Thursday, October 8, 2015, Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> Listers,
>> 
>> My wife is considering buying me an autopilot system for my 50th (YIKES!) 
>> birthday next year to replace our failing Robertson unit. She saw the video 
>> from the 2015 Northeast Rendezvous of Nader sitting in his cockpit eating 
>> lunch while the boat drove itself to Clinton and said “Oh you gotta have 
>> that!” 
>> 
>> The Octopus hydraulic drive is already installed and I’m somewhat partial to 
>> the Raymarine EV-200 system (and Fred Street has pretty good pricing), but 
>> wanted to see if anyone else has recommendations on units I should look at. 
>> 
>> 
>> All the best,
>> 
>> Edd
>> 
>> 
>> Edd M. Schillay
>> Starship Enterprise
>> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
>> City Island, NY 
>> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log
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Re: Stus-List Autopilot Recommendations

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

I purchased the EV 200 and Octopus Hydraulic drive through Fred; we had some 
issues installing the drive, but none with the ev unit; Fred was very helpful 
with our very beginner level questionsYou wont get any better product 
support 
 

Richard
1985 C 37; Ohio River, Mile 584;
Richard N. Bush 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 
 
-Original Message-
From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
To: C List 
Cc: Edd Schillay 
Sent: Thu, Oct 8, 2015 5:56 pm
Subject: Stus-List Autopilot Recommendations


Listers,


My wife is considering buying me an autopilot system for my 50th (YIKES!) 
birthday next year to replace our failing Robertson unit. She saw the video 
from the 2015 Northeast Rendezvous of Nader sitting in his cockpit eating lunch 
while the boat drove itself to Clinton and said “Oh you gotta have that!” 


The Octopus hydraulic drive is already installed and I’m somewhat partial to 
the Raymarine EV-200 system (and Fred Street has pretty good pricing), but 
wanted to see if anyone else has recommendations on units I should look at. 





All the best,


Edd




Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 

Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log




















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