Stus-List Fuel lift pump 30-1, clean or replace with electric?

[Nate Flesness via CnC-List]

My 2QM15 is not getting fuel, It gets to the lift pump input but no
further. I just had the fuel polished after some crud problems, so likely
either there's crud blocking the diaphragm hole, or the new additives made
the 42 yr old rubber diaphargm  "retire".

Some years sgo there was discussion about replacing these with a car-parts
electric fuel pump.
I'd like to do that, but would love advice re wiring it and blocking off
the old lift pimp outlet.

Nate Flesness

Sarah Jean
1980 30-1
Saint Croix Rivr, WI

Blue Raven
1994 Tartan 31
Siskiwit Bay Marina, Lake Superior
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Stus-List Fuel pump

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Some fuel pumps ground through the case. Is the pump mounted on the engine?
Joe

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I am trying to diagnose fuel issue. I dont understand pump wiring. There 
appears to be only one wire to pump. Where is it grounded?

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Stus-List Fuel pump

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

I am trying to diagnose fuel issue. I dont understand pump wiring. There 
appears to be only one wire to pump. Where is it grounded?

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Stus-List Fuel pump problem?

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

Seems to be the week for Dave’s and diesel fuel problems.  Here is my story to 
hopefully get the wisdom of the group.  

Last Wednesday I was out for a lovely sail (7.5-8 knot reach across Fisher’s 
Island sound for lunch and back).  I had motored into the harbor on the other 
side of the sound for about 15 minutes and then back out again and no problems. 
 I got back to the mooring area and the engine started and then quit.  Tried a 
few times and it would only come close to starting if I gave it lots of 
throttle, but would still quit.  Sailed to the mooring (which I hit on the 
first try under sail single handed in 15+ knots of wind- I impressed myself) 
put away sails etc. and then tried the engine again and it started and ran 
fine.  I chalked it up to bad karma and went home.  Saturday, we sailed to 
Mystic and motored for an hour into the harbor to the Seaport with no problems. 
 Today we motored back out and after a long wait for the bridge to open (so 
about 30 min total motoring) the engine quit again and would not start.  A few 
times before it quit for good, it would suddenly decrease revs for a second and 
then back up.  Fortunately, the wind direction allowed us to sail out of the 
harbor and back to the mooring where it would not start.  

Then I started taking things apart to diagnose. (Universal M4-30, electric fuel 
pump)
1.  Thought first my fuel gauge (reading half full tank) was mistaken or I had 
bad fuel.  Pulled the probe into the fuel tank and with a flashlight was able 
to see that the tank was half full and the fuel looked perfectly clean.
2.  Took the Racor lid off and found that the bowl was not full.  It was about 
1-2” down so at about the level of the top of the primary filter.  Obviously 
not good.  This triggered the thought that the sound the electric fuel pump had 
been making was not what I remembered.  Instead of a rapid continuous clicking, 
it was more irregular and perhaps not as loud.  
So I am thinking either bad fuel pump or bad power connection from the key 
switch to the fuel pump.  Does a dying fuel pump work one day and not the next? 
 The other possibility seems to be a small hole/crack in the fuel line so the 
pump can’t draw enough vacuum to pull fuel from the tank.  Not sure how to 
diagnose that and seems even less likely to allow the engine to work 
intermittently.  

Solutions/more diagnosis
1.  Should I just buy a replacement fuel pump and see if it solves the problem? 
 This is not inexpensive, but not a huge amount of money and a fairly easy 
test.  Universal pump was about $230 from Toad’s Marine, but I seem to remember 
people on the list talking about automotive sources that might be cheaper?
2.  Does one rebuild a fuel pump or buy a new one?  
3.  Is there a good way to distinguish power issues from mechanical issues 
other than a new pump? A friend suggested filling the Racor bowl with fuel, 
then turning on the pump and see if it draws the level down.  The only problem 
with this is I don’t know how fast it normally pulls fuel so not sure how to 
tell if it was pumping, but not fast enough.

Any thoughts welcome.  Home now, but plan to go down on Wednesday and work on 
fixing the problem.  
Thanks- Dave

S/V Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT



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Stus-List Fuel Polishing System

[Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List]

Hello all,

A year or so back, I removed a generator that was installed in the stern
locker because it was totally frozen up.  When I did, an old small Racor
came out with it.  I also already have a small 12 volt fuel pump.

I am thinking about putting in a tee in the fuel line before the primary
Racor, and plumbing in the small Racor and pump with a connection to an
unused circuit breaker on my panel.  The output would go back to the tank.

I could use Racors as small as 3 microns, and thus filter out any water or
contaminants using the pump when at the dock or out sailing (we have plenty
of solar power) especially when we're out banging through waves and shaking
up the contents of the tank.

This would serve to ensure the primary Racor doesn't clog.

We haven't had any real problems, though this year I got some water in the
primary Racor bowl.

Are there any downsides to this?

Thanks!

Bruce Whitmore
1994 C 37/40+
"Astralis"
Madeira Beach, FL
(847) 404-5092
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Stus-List Fuel pump

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Ron, the model number of your pump is on the bracket that bolts the pump onto 
the bulkhead or wherever it’s mounted. Facet has a good site and really good 
product support. They also sell direct to Napa. If you go on their site with 
your current model number the specs are easy to find. Like another said it’s 
not really a lift pump but it’s listed that way. The pressure is maybe 6.5-8 
lbs and it only lifts 24 inches max. There are many fuel pumps that will pump 
those specifications and you don’t need to replace the exact model unless you 
want to. 
Crazy Legs has a universal 30 hp and uses pump # 476459. The national motor 
components sales manager of Facet is Paul Puleo and his email is 
p.pu...@facet-purolator.com if you need to ask any hard questions. Paul 
607-737-8371 office and 607-426-2736 cell. I had a non listed specs question 
(vacuum) and Paul was a great help. 
Len Mitchell
Crazy Legs
1989 37+
Midland On. 

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Re: Stus-List Fuel Tank replacements

[John Conklin via CnC-List]

Interesting i have a plastic ?poly ? Tank now i have to check it out  looks 
like a platform was built for iy im sr
Starboard lazzerette next to house battery
Ies. It  will need to be removed to get to  vent hose , shaft ... who knows 
what else but not too thrilled  about that. No leaks though :)

John Conklin
S/V Halcyon
www.flirtingwithfire.net<http://www.flirtingwithfire.net>


On Aug 17, 2020, at 8:25 PM, Robert Boyer via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Yes, but polyethylene is not good for fuel tanks.  Plastic fuel tanks are 
constructed from some other type of plastic and they are normally molded.

Bob

Bob Boyer
s/v Rainy Days
C Landfall 38 (Hull # 230)
(Spending winters in the Bahamas, summers in Baltimore, and somewhere on the 
ICW in between)
blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com<http://dainyrays.blogspot.com>
email: dainyr...@icloud.com<mailto:dainyr...@icloud.com>

On Aug 17, 2020, at 5:02 PM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


Bob, didn’t you used to make Plastic tanks?

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Robert Boyer 
via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2020 2:59 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Robert Boyer
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel Tank replacements

I did the same thing about 5 years ago but upgraded to 1/4” thick.  The upgrade 
in thickness was a minimal cost.

Bob
Bob Boyer
S/V Rainy Days (1983 C Landfall 38 - Hull #230)
Blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com<http://dainyrays.blogspot.com>
Email: dainyr...@icloud.com<mailto:dainyr...@icloud.com>
Annapolis, MD
(Presently in Baltimore MD for the summer)


On Aug 17, 2020, at 2:04 PM, ssjohnson via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
My tank had a label in the top for Florida Marine Tanks with a stamped model 
# mine was FMT-32-CC.  They found the original drawings.  6-8 weeks to have 
it made and shipped.  Full payment up front
.  Mine was $586 + $200 to epoxy coat + shipping of about%100.  Upgraded from 
1/8 inch to 3/16 inch aluminum.
Not so much fun this year..
Spencer Johnson
84 LF38
Waukegan IL
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Re: Stus-List Fuel Tank replacements

[Robert Boyer via CnC-List]

Yes, but polyethylene is not good for fuel tanks.  Plastic fuel tanks are 
constructed from some other type of plastic and they are normally molded.

Bob

Bob Boyer
s/v Rainy Days
C Landfall 38 (Hull # 230)
(Spending winters in the Bahamas, summers in Baltimore, and somewhere on the 
ICW in between)
blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com
email: dainyr...@icloud.com

> On Aug 17, 2020, at 5:02 PM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Bob, didn’t you used to make Plastic tanks?
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Robert 
> Boyer via CnC-List
> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2020 2:59 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Robert Boyer
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel Tank replacements
>  
> I did the same thing about 5 years ago but upgraded to 1/4” thick.  The 
> upgrade in thickness was a minimal cost.
>  
> Bob
> 
> Bob Boyer
> S/V Rainy Days (1983 C Landfall 38 - Hull #230)
> Blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com
> Email: dainyr...@icloud.com
> Annapolis, MD 
> (Presently in Baltimore MD for the summer)
> 
> 
> On Aug 17, 2020, at 2:04 PM, ssjohnson via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> My tank had a label in the top for Florida Marine Tanks with a stamped model 
> # mine was FMT-32-CC.  They found the original drawings.  6-8 weeks to 
> have it made and shipped.  Full payment up front
> .  Mine was $586 + $200 to epoxy coat + shipping of about%100.  Upgraded from 
> 1/8 inch to 3/16 inch aluminum.  
> Not so much fun this year..
> Spencer Johnson 
> 84 LF38
> Waukegan IL
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Re: Stus-List Fuel Tank replacements

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

Bob, didn’t you used to make Plastic tanks?

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Robert Boyer 
via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2020 2:59 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Robert Boyer
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel Tank replacements

 

I did the same thing about 5 years ago but upgraded to 1/4” thick.  The upgrade 
in thickness was a minimal cost.

 

Bob

Bob Boyer

S/V Rainy Days (1983 C Landfall 38 - Hull #230)

Blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com

Email: dainyr...@icloud.com

Annapolis, MD 

(Presently in Baltimore MD for the summer)





On Aug 17, 2020, at 2:04 PM, ssjohnson via CnC-List  
wrote:

My tank had a label in the top for Florida Marine Tanks with a stamped model 
# mine was FMT-32-CC.  They found the original drawings.  6-8 weeks to have 
it made and shipped.  Full payment up front

.  Mine was $586 + $200 to epoxy coat + shipping of about%100.  Upgraded from 
1/8 inch to 3/16 inch aluminum.  

Not so much fun this year..

Spencer Johnson 

84 LF38

Waukegan IL

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[Robert Boyer via CnC-List]

I did the same thing about 5 years ago but upgraded to 1/4” thick.  The upgrade 
in thickness was a minimal cost.

Bob

Bob Boyer
S/V Rainy Days (1983 C Landfall 38 - Hull #230)
Blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com
Email: dainyr...@icloud.com
Annapolis, MD 
(Presently in Baltimore MD for the summer)

> On Aug 17, 2020, at 2:04 PM, ssjohnson via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> My tank had a label in the top for Florida Marine Tanks with a stamped model 
> # mine was FMT-32-CC.  They found the original drawings.  6-8 weeks to 
> have it made and shipped.  Full payment up front
> .  Mine was $586 + $200 to epoxy coat + shipping of about%100.  Upgraded from 
> 1/8 inch to 3/16 inch aluminum.  
> Not so much fun this year..
> Spencer Johnson 
> 84 LF38
> Waukegan IL
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[ssjohnson via CnC-List]

My tank had a label in the top for Florida Marine Tanks with a stamped model 
# mine was FMT-32-CC.  They found the original drawings.  6-8 weeks to have 
it made and shipped.  Full payment up front.  Mine was $586 + $200 to epoxy 
coat + shipping of about%100.  Upgraded from 1/8 inch to 3/16 inch aluminum.  
Not so much fun this year..Spencer Johnson 84 LF38Waukegan IL___

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Re: Stus-List Fuel lift pump

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

1/4 inch

On Wed, Jul 22, 2020, 19:46 Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I picked up a new lift play today and will install it soon.  I am
> considering adding an electric pump between the tank and the lift pump.
> Does anyone know the inside diameter of that feed fuel line?  I think I
> ought to know before I cut mine.
>
> thx
>
>
>
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 14:24:53 -0400
> From: Len Mitchell 
> To: CNC List 
> Subject: Stus-List Fuel lift pump
> Message-ID: <2d4555d9-68ac-462d-b1e4-fbcbc24be...@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Joe, I like the remote fuel pressure gauge! That looks like aviation or
> race car technology. Tom is trying to find out why he can?t get that last
> 15 gallons of fuel. I believe Josh has the same Yanmar and believe he
> posted his vacuum numbers so there is something to compare to. He can also
> shut off the fuel valve when running the engine and get a sense of what
> vacuum the fuel pump is drawing. If it won?t hold vacuum maybe there is an
> air leak somewhere. If the pump won?t make 1 inch of mercury he knows it?s
> probably a pump problem. That?s all I was trying to suggest before he gets
> into a new pump. And as a bonus for around 20$ he will also have a primary
> fuel filter monitor.
> Len
>
> Sent from my mobile device.
>
>
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> SV Alera
> C 37+/40
> Vashon Island WA
> (206) 463-9200
> www.sv-alera.com
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Stus-List Fuel lift pump

[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

I picked up a new lift play today and will 
install it soon.  I am considering adding an 
electric pump between the tank and the lift 
pump.  Does anyone know the inside diameter of 
that feed fuel line?  I think I ought to know before I cut mine.


thx





Message: 1
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 14:24:53 -0400
From: Len Mitchell 
To: CNC List 
Subject: Stus-List Fuel lift pump
Message-ID: <2d4555d9-68ac-462d-b1e4-fbcbc24be...@gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

Joe, I like the remote fuel pressure gauge! That 
looks like aviation or race car technology. Tom 
is trying to find out why he can?t get that last 
15 gallons of fuel. I believe Josh has the same 
Yanmar and believe he posted his vacuum numbers 
so there is something to compare to. He can also 
shut off the fuel valve when running the engine 
and get a sense of what vacuum the fuel pump is 
drawing. If it won?t hold vacuum maybe there is 
an air leak somewhere. If the pump won?t make 1 
inch of mercury he knows it?s probably a pump 
problem. That?s all I was trying to suggest 
before he gets into a new pump. And as a bonus 
for around 20$ he will also have a primary fuel filter monitor.

Len

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SV Alera
C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
(206) 463-9200
www.sv-alera.com


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[Len Mitchell via CnC-List]

Joe, I like the remote fuel pressure gauge! That looks like aviation or race 
car technology. Tom is trying to find out why he can’t get that last 15 gallons 
of fuel. I believe Josh has the same Yanmar and believe he posted his vacuum 
numbers so there is something to compare to. He can also shut off the fuel 
valve when running the engine and get a sense of what vacuum the fuel pump is 
drawing. If it won’t hold vacuum maybe there is an air leak somewhere. If the 
pump won’t make 1 inch of mercury he knows it’s probably a pump problem. That’s 
all I was trying to suggest before he gets into a new pump. And as a bonus for 
around 20$ he will also have a primary fuel filter monitor. 
Len 

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Re: Stus-List Fuel Lift Pump

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

I am wondering if there is a chance that is not your original 40 Gal fuel tank?

Try measuring it and calculate the total capacity.  Minus the air space you 
can’t fill up to the top.

 

Bill Coleman




 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Tom 
Buscaglia via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 7:03 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Tom Buscaglia
Subject: Stus-List Fuel Lift Pump

 

So, if I understand recent responses to my recent post on running out of fuel 
at less than an empty tank, the theory is that with a weak fuel lift pump at a 
certain fuel level in the tank, the pump would stop lifting fuel, thereby 
causing the engine to run out of fuel.

 

So, guess I’ll take a shot at replacing it and seeing if that solves the 
problem.

 

Anyone replace the fuel lift pump on a Yanmar 3HM35F?  I am wondering if the 
arm that rides the cam is above the at recast engine oil level.

thx

 

Tom Buscaglia

S/V Alera 

1990 C 37+/40

Vashon WA

P 206.463.9200

C 305.409.3660

 

 

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Re: Stus-List Fuel lift pump

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

Vacuum gauges are useful, but they only tell half the story. No vacuum 
can indicate all is well or it can indicate the fuel pump failed. The 
engine - gas or diesel - could not care less about vacuum, it wants fuel.


If you get this:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Pressure-Transducer-Gauge-15-psi-2-1-16-52mm-analog-voltage-input-LED-light/252098516378?hash=item3ab23e159a:g:DRYAAOSwLghZsBuZ

and this

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Pressure-transducer-sender-15-psi-12V-10-25V-wide-for-oil-fuel-air-water/262874558318?hash=item3d348b6f6e:g:mv0AAOSwIwJZgn8t:sc:USPSFirstClass!21666!US!-1

You will see your fuel pressure and the gauge lights up red if it goes 
below 3 PSI. They are available in various ranges, I use a 5 PSI version 
for my A4 that lights up at 1 PSI. The electric sender avoids running 
pressurized fuel around the boat, which is good in general and really 
good for gasoline.



Joe

Coquina



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Stus-List Fuel lift pump

[Len Mitchell via CnC-List]

Tom, it’s your boat and wallet but an inexpensive vacuum gauge will tell the 
tale. I would hate to buy an expensive Yanmar pump and find out it’s something 
more simple unless you want a spare pump anyway. They are available on amazon 
or eBay and maybe 20$

https://www.generalfilters.com/products/general-fuel-oil-products/garber-filters/accessories/Filter-Restrictor-Indicator-Gauge_PT111.html

Len

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Re: Stus-List Fuel Lift Pump

[Charlie Nelson via CnC-List]

I had a similar problem with the lift pump on my Beta 28. The tank location 
compared to the lift capability of the Beta was marginal, even tho the lift 
pump was working ‘fine’.
My diesel mechanic recommended bypassing the mechanical lift pump and using an 
electric pump. Installed it with a switchable spare( electric pump had built in 
filter) and no more problems!
Might be a better and cheaper solution than another mechanical lift pump.
Charlie NelsonWater Phantom 
1995 C 36 XL/kcb
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 On Tuesday, July 21, 2020, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List  
wrote:

So, if I understand recent responses to my recent post on running out of fuel 
at less than an empty tank, the theory is that with a weak fuel lift pump at a 
certain fuel level in the tank, the pump would stop lifting fuel, thereby 
causing the engine to run out of fuel.
So, guess I’ll take a shot at replacing it and seeing if that solves the 
problem.

Anyone replace the fuel lift pump on a Yanmar 3HM35F?  I am wondering if the 
arm that rides the cam is above the at recast engine oil level.

thx
Tom BuscagliaS/V Alera 1990 C 37+/40Vashon WAP 206.463.9200C 305.409.3660

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Re: Stus-List Fuel Lift Pump

[Doug Mountjoy via CnC-List]

Tom, The lift pump arm usually rides on a lobe on the camshaft, which above the 
crankshaft, which is well above the oil level. A mechanical lift pump is fairly 
easy to change. If you want feel free to call me and I can walk you through the 
process. Doug Mountjoysv Rebecca Leah C Landfall 39Port Orchard yacht 
club253-208-1412
 Original message From: Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List 
 Date: 7/21/20  16:03  (GMT-08:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Tom Buscaglia  Subject: Stus-List 
Fuel Lift Pump So, if I understand recent responses to my recent post on 
running out of fuel at less than an empty tank, the theory is that with a weak 
fuel lift pump at a certain fuel level in the tank, the pump would stop lifting 
fuel, thereby causing the engine to run out of fuel.So, guess I’ll take a shot 
at replacing it and seeing if that solves the problem.Anyone replace the fuel 
lift pump on a Yanmar 3HM35F?  I am wondering if the arm that rides the cam is 
above the at recast engine oil level.thxTom BuscagliaS/V Alera 1990 C 
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Re: Stus-List Fuel Lift Pump

[Rick Rohwer via CnC-List]

I changed mine out.  I don’t recall losing any oil.
Rick
Paikea. 37+.  Bremerton, WA

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> On Jul 21, 2020, at 16:04, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> So, if I understand recent responses to my recent post on running out of 
> fuel at less than an empty tank, the theory is that with a weak fuel lift 
> pump at a certain fuel level in the tank, the pump would stop lifting fuel, 
> thereby causing the engine to run out of fuel.
> 
> So, guess I’ll take a shot at replacing it and seeing if that solves the 
> problem.
> 
> Anyone replace the fuel lift pump on a Yanmar 3HM35F?  I am wondering if the 
> arm that rides the cam is above the at recast engine oil level.
> 
> thx
> 
> Tom Buscaglia
> S/V Alera 
> 1990 C 37+/40
> Vashon WA
> P 206.463.9200
> C 305.409.3660
> 
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Stus-List Fuel Lift Pump

[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

So, if I understand recent responses to my recent post on running out of fuel 
at less than an empty tank, the theory is that with a weak fuel lift pump at a 
certain fuel level in the tank, the pump would stop lifting fuel, thereby 
causing the engine to run out of fuel.

So, guess I’ll take a shot at replacing it and seeing if that solves the 
problem.

Anyone replace the fuel lift pump on a Yanmar 3HM35F?  I am wondering if the 
arm that rides the cam is above the at recast engine oil level.

thx

Tom Buscaglia
S/V Alera 
1990 C 37+/40
Vashon WA
P 206.463.9200
C 305.409.3660


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Stus-List Fuel polisher/fuel vacuum gauge

[Len Mitchell via CnC-List]

Thanks Josh you are right the gauge measure inches of mercury not atmospheres.( 
.489 vs 14.7 lbs) I did an experiment this morning and our Universal M35 uses 
an electric fuel pump made by Facet that runs at 6-8 psi. The gauge running 
shows 1 inch of mercury or just around .5 lbs and it will generate at least 7 
inches of mercury vacuum with the fuel valve shut off or about 3.5 pounds of 
vacuum. I did not take it further into vacuum because that’s all I wanted to 
know. If the vacuum reads more than 1 inch of mercury there is a restriction 
somewhere, dirty primary fuel filter etc. Something else to consider, a Facet 
fuel pump has a screen filter in the bottom if it’s not pulling fuel, although 
the primary is supposed to catch any contamination first. 
Let us know how you make out Tom! 
Len Mitchell
Crazy Legs
1989 37+
Midland On. 


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Re: Stus-List Fuel polisher

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

I'm pretty sure my gage reads in inches of mercury.  29.92in-hg (30) is
generally considered a perfect vacuum (1 bar, -14.7 psig, 0 psia).  As I
recall my normal running vacuum with a clean filter is about 6 on the
gage.  The arbitrary green band runs between 0 and 10.  Yellow is 10 to
15.  And red is 15 to 30.
The measure which is most important for the filter performance is the
differential between suction and discharge.  For this you would need 2
gages or a D/P gage.  By using a D/P gage you eliminate measuring the lift
of the fluid out of the tank and the line loss over the course of travel.
The measure which is most important for the monitoring the fuel pump
performance is the vacuum of the lift pump.  A gage placed on the outlet of
the Racor is best for determining this.  Of course if you shut off the
suction valve at the tank it doesn't matter.  A gage on either side of the
racor will eventually reach the shutoff suction pressure (vacuum) of the
lift pump.

The best thing to do is trend the performance of your filter and lift
pump.  Nobody is going to give you a specific go/no-go value since every
installation is different.  But, if you know what a good baseline "new"
value is for your pump and filter then you can recognize when those numbers
are drifting or failing hard.  You can also eliminate those components when
troubleshooting if the values are still "good".

https://youtu.be/H-GI38vE4hQ

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Mon, Jul 20, 2020, 08:53 Len Mitchell via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Tom, I think you have an issue with fuel lift. Either there is a hole in
> the fuel pick up at the 15 gallon gallon level in your tank or the lift
> pump for some reason isn’t able to pull fuel all the way from the bottom of
> the tank. If you had crud and your filters were getting clogged a fuel
> polisher would help that but there must be other issues. I would install a
> 25$ vacuum gauge and see what the pump is pulling. I forget which engine
> you have but if the fuel pick up line is good it’s maybe pump related. Mine
> is a universal and the pump is pretty inexpensive, available and easy to
> swap out. The electric lift pump on mine pulls 1 atmosphere of vacuum and
> Josh’s yanmar pulls 3 or 4 if memory serves. The gauge I used is made for
> an oil furnace filter so it’s pretty common. The other benefit to the gauge
> is you can tell when your filter needs to be changed by an increase in
> vacuum. Either way a fuel polish won’t hurt but it probably won’t help your
> issue.
> Len Mitchell
> Crazy Legs
> 1989 37+
> Midland On.
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Fuel polisher

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

That's what I love about this list and why I stay here two years after selling 
my lovely 40! Lots of good advice from good, knowledgeable guys. And I suspect 
you’ve identified a solution to the problem I’m having. Good work, gents!
Andy


Andrew Burton
26 Beacon Hill
Newport, RI 
USA02840

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http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
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> On Jul 20, 2020, at 14:36, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> ??
> I am not sure it is physically possible to pull more than one atmosphere of 
> vacuum. That would be less than nothing! One atmosphere = 30 inches vacuum!
> My "official" Racor gauge has the yellow line at 7 inches vacuum and the red 
> line at 10 inches. I have never had it go above 0 unless something is wrong 
> and I don't think I get much more than 10-15 inches running the pump against 
> a closed valve. There is nothing special about the Racor gauge except the 
> pretty colors, you can get vacuum gauges from FleaBay or the hardware store 
> that work as well. When I had a vexing fuel issue I had two gauges installed, 
> one before and one after the filter. A clogged pickup pulls vacuum on both of 
> them, a clogged filter just one. Turned out bits of rubber fill hose had 
> fallen in the tank and would get sucked onto the pickup tube.  If you can't 
> pull any against a closed valve you have air leaks. 
> I also have a cockpit mounted fuel pressure gauge that is nice, it has a red 
> light that goes on when the fuel pressure falls below 1 PSI.
> 
> Joe Della Barba Coquina C 35  MK I
> www.dellabarba.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Len 
> Mitchell via CnC-List
> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 8:53 AM
> To: CNC List ; Tom Buscaglia 
> Cc: Len Mitchell 
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Fuel polisher
> 
> The electric lift pump on mine pulls 1 atmosphere of vacuum and Josh’s yanmar 
> pulls 3 or 4 if memory serves. 
> 
> Len Mitchell
> Crazy Legs
> 1989 37+
> Midland On. 
> 
> 
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Stus-List Fuel polisher

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

??
I am not sure it is physically possible to pull more than one atmosphere of 
vacuum. That would be less than nothing! One atmosphere = 30 inches vacuum!
My "official" Racor gauge has the yellow line at 7 inches vacuum and the red 
line at 10 inches. I have never had it go above 0 unless something is wrong and 
I don't think I get much more than 10-15 inches running the pump against a 
closed valve. There is nothing special about the Racor gauge except the pretty 
colors, you can get vacuum gauges from FleaBay or the hardware store that work 
as well. When I had a vexing fuel issue I had two gauges installed, one before 
and one after the filter. A clogged pickup pulls vacuum on both of them, a 
clogged filter just one. Turned out bits of rubber fill hose had fallen in the 
tank and would get sucked onto the pickup tube.  If you can't pull any against 
a closed valve you have air leaks. 
I also have a cockpit mounted fuel pressure gauge that is nice, it has a red 
light that goes on when the fuel pressure falls below 1 PSI.

Joe Della Barba Coquina C 35  MK I
www.dellabarba.com

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Len Mitchell 
via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 8:53 AM
To: CNC List ; Tom Buscaglia 
Cc: Len Mitchell 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Fuel polisher

The electric lift pump on mine pulls 1 atmosphere of vacuum and Josh’s yanmar 
pulls 3 or 4 if memory serves. 

Len Mitchell
Crazy Legs
1989 37+
Midland On. 


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Re: Stus-List Fuel Polisher?

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

When you say ran out of fuel do you mean the level of fuel in your fuel
filter dropped below the outlet?

Which Racor?  A 500?  If so, check the gasket and check the top for
warping.  A warped top may not seal properly and may begin to leak when the
fuel level gets down to 1/2 tank or so.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

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> I have a weird issue. 2x last year a ran out of diesel and needed only 25
> gallons to fill my 40 gallon tank. And, yes, I made sure it was topped off.
> I pulled the pickup tube to see if that was the issue, but it was solid
> straight and clean. In fact, I never see any crud or water in my Rancor. I
> want to just pump out the fuel to get a decent measurement of exactly how
> much fuel is in the tank.
>
> So, I’m thinking, get a fuel polisher. Waddaya all think?
>
> Tom Buscaglia
> S/V Alera
> 1990 C 37+/40
> Vashon WA
> P 206.463.9200
> C 305.409.3660
>
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> If it was Ocean Phoenix, then that was a 37R they were trying to sell (or
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> Capt Jim's Marine Salvage and Nautical Antiquities open every Saturday
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> 9:00 am till 3:00 pm.
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> Call capt Jim 207-838-9902
>
> 326 Presumpscot St Portland ME
>
> Open every Saturday 9:00 am till 3:00 pm or by appointment.
>
> New England's largest Marine salvage superstore!
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> There was a 37+
>
> They  are parting out due to running aground
>
> Aft starboard quarter just at water line large hole saw the complete
>
> steering quadrant seems much tighter access them my 40 ;
>
> Keel missing
>
> Did not see the mast
>
> stantions bow and stern rails looked good
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Stus-List Fuel polisher

[Len Mitchell via CnC-List]

Tom, I think you have an issue with fuel lift. Either there is a hole in the 
fuel pick up at the 15 gallon gallon level in your tank or the lift pump for 
some reason isn’t able to pull fuel all the way from the bottom of the tank. If 
you had crud and your filters were getting clogged a fuel polisher would help 
that but there must be other issues. I would install a 25$ vacuum gauge and see 
what the pump is pulling. I forget which engine you have but if the fuel pick 
up line is good it’s maybe pump related. Mine is a universal and the pump is 
pretty inexpensive, available and easy to swap out. The electric lift pump on 
mine pulls 1 atmosphere of vacuum and Josh’s yanmar pulls 3 or 4 if memory 
serves. The gauge I used is made for an oil furnace filter so it’s pretty 
common. The other benefit to the gauge is you can tell when your filter needs 
to be changed by an increase in vacuum. Either way a fuel polish won’t hurt but 
it probably won’t help your issue. 
Len Mitchell
Crazy Legs
1989 37+
Midland On. 


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Re: Stus-List Fuel Polisher?

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

My first thought is, why not polish it? Diesels like fresh clean fuel. 
My second thought is to check if your pickup goes all the way to within 1/2” of 
the bottom of the tank. 
Is the pickup on one side of the tank so it’s sucking air when you’re heeled?
I’m having a similar issue with a boat I’m delivering, the generator has sucked 
air into the Racor twice, both times on tank 2. Tank is 1/4 full. Same pickup 
as the main engine, which has had no issues. It’s a puzzlement! 
Currently in Portimão, Portugal, where I note a decided dearth of C What 
are these crazy Europeans thinking?
Andy

Andrew Burton
26 Beacon Hill
Newport, RI 
USA02840

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> On Jul 20, 2020, at 07:10, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> I have  a  weird issue.   2x last  year a  ran  out  of  diesel and  needed 
> only 25  gallons  to  fill  my  40  gallon  tank.And, yes, I made  sure  
> it  was  topped  off.   I pulled  the  pickup  tube  to  see  if  that  was  
> the  issue,  but  it  was  solid straight and  clean.   In  fact, I  never  
> see  any  crud  or  water  in  my  Rancor.I want to  just  pump out  the  
> fuel  to  get  a decent measurement of  exactly  how  much  fuel  is  in  the 
>  tank.
> 
> So, I’m thinking, get a fuel polisher.  Waddaya all think?
> 
> Tom Buscaglia
> S/V Alera 
> 1990 C 37+/40
> Vashon WA
> P 206.463.9200
> C 305.409.3660
> 
> 
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 16:42:56 -0300
>> From: Ken Heaton 
>> To: cnc-list 
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>>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
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>> If it was Ocean Phoenix, then that was a 37R they were trying to sell (or
>> had just recently sold).  Dark blue hull like this?
>> 
>> https://svoceanphoenix.files.wordpress.com/2018/05/cc-37r-3.jpg
>> 
>> https://svoceanphoenix.com/2019/12/24/could-it-be-true-ocean-phoenix-is-for-sale/
>> 
>> 
>> Ken H.
>> 
>> On Sun, 19 Jul 2020 at 11:53, PETER OCAMPO via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I think it was Phoenix.  Home port Portland
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Jul 19, 2020, at 10:43 AM, Ken Heaton via CnC-List <
>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Hello Peter,
>>> 
>>> Did you happen to notice a name on this 37+? I sort of keep up a list of
>>> the 37+ out there and would like to mark this one as gone.
>>> 
>>> Ken Heaton
>>> 
>>> On Sunday, 19 July 2020, PETER OCAMPO via CnC-List 
>>> wrote:
 Hello all
 
 Capt Jim's Marine Salvage and Nautical Antiquities open every Saturday
>>> 9:00 am till 3:00 pm.
 Call capt Jim 207-838-9902
 326 Presumpscot St Portland ME
 Open every Saturday 9:00 am till 3:00 pm or by appointment.
 New England's largest Marine salvage superstore!
 There was a 37+
 They  are parting out due to running aground
 Aft starboard quarter just at water line large hole saw the complete
>>> steering quadrant seems much tighter access them my 40 ;
 Keel missing
 Did not see the mast
 stantions bow and stern rails looked good
 Did not go inside
 Hope this helps someone on the list if they need parts
 Peter ocampo
 1983 40 aft cabin
 Goonie Island
 Portland.  Maine
 Sent from my iPhone ___
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[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

I have  a  weird issue.   2x last  year a  ran  out  of  diesel and  needed 
only 25  gallons  to  fill  my  40  gallon  tank.And, yes, I made  sure  it 
 was  topped  off.   I pulled  the  pickup  tube  to  see  if  that  was  the  
issue,  but  it  was  solid straight and  clean.   In  fact, I  never  see  any 
 crud  or  water  in  my  Rancor.I want to  just  pump out  the  fuel  to  
get  a decent measurement of  exactly  how  much  fuel  is  in  the  tank.

So, I’m thinking, get a fuel polisher.  Waddaya all think?

Tom Buscaglia
S/V Alera 
1990 C 37+/40
Vashon WA
P 206.463.9200
C 305.409.3660


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>   1. Re:  Salvage C 37+ (Ken Heaton)
>   2. Re:  Parting an ?89 30? CNC (Allan Rheaume)
>   3. Re:  C 32 Mk 1 pre-bend (Ray Kennedy)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 16:42:56 -0300
> From: Ken Heaton 
> To: cnc-list 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Salvage C 37+
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> If it was Ocean Phoenix, then that was a 37R they were trying to sell (or
> had just recently sold).  Dark blue hull like this?
> 
> https://svoceanphoenix.files.wordpress.com/2018/05/cc-37r-3.jpg
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> https://svoceanphoenix.com/2019/12/24/could-it-be-true-ocean-phoenix-is-for-sale/
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> 
> Ken H.
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>> On Sun, 19 Jul 2020 at 11:53, PETER OCAMPO via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I think it was Phoenix.  Home port Portland
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jul 19, 2020, at 10:43 AM, Ken Heaton via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Hello Peter,
>> 
>> Did you happen to notice a name on this 37+? I sort of keep up a list of
>> the 37+ out there and would like to mark this one as gone.
>> 
>> Ken Heaton
>> 
>>> On Sunday, 19 July 2020, PETER OCAMPO via CnC-List 
>>> wrote:
>>> Hello all
>>> 
>>> Capt Jim's Marine Salvage and Nautical Antiquities open every Saturday
>> 9:00 am till 3:00 pm.
>>> Call capt Jim 207-838-9902
>>> 326 Presumpscot St Portland ME
>>> Open every Saturday 9:00 am till 3:00 pm or by appointment.
>>> New England's largest Marine salvage superstore!
>>> There was a 37+
>>> They  are parting out due to running aground
>>> Aft starboard quarter just at water line large hole saw the complete
>> steering quadrant seems much tighter access them my 40 ;
>>> Keel missing
>>> Did not see the mast
>>> stantions bow and stern rails looked good
>>> Did not go inside
>>> Hope this helps someone on the list if they need parts
>>> Peter ocampo
>>> 1983 40 aft cabin
>>> Goonie Island
>>> Portland.  Maine
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> Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 21:02:59 + (UTC)
> From: Allan Rheaume 
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> Subject: Re: Stus-List Parting an ?89 30? CNC
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> Is there a website with details about this boat? How to go about purchasing 
> parts, etc?
> Thanks,Al Rheaume30-2 Drumroll
>On Friday, July 17, 2020, 04:32:07 p.m. EDT, JP Mail via CnC-List 
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> I?m standing in the salvage yard.
> All kinds of everything for 
> ZCC30148B989
> King Salvage. 
> I live 10 Minutes away.
> Motor is not seized. 3 GM? i think. 
> Jon
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Re: Stus-List Fuel tank replacement

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Moeller has a few tanks with angled fill nozzles.  Whether they have one to
fit your boat, who knows?

There are a couple vendors of tank fittings which may offer solutions:
fillernecksupply.com and tanksinc.com

Dennis C.

On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 10:01 AM Mike Rose via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi there-
>
> I am looking to upgrade my fuel tank for added capacity. When I purchased
> the boat 20 years ago, I discovered a leaking aluminum tank weeks before
> launch. I located a 16.5 gal.Tempo tank that would easily fit. Now looking
> for a new tank, I have two questions:
> 1-Tempo seems to be gone, what other vendors are available (I prefer
> plastic)?
> 2-Most tanks have a 2" fill neck coupled with the bend radius of 1.5" A2
> fuel hose don't help the situation. What's the best solution to maximize
> tank height?
>
> Thanks,
> Mike Rose
> s/v Shannon Rose
> 1972 C 39, Hull #23
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Re: Stus-List Fuel tank replacement

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

Hello Mike,

 

I replaced my tank with a Kracor 28 gallon, which fit in there nicely.  Used 
the original rubber elbow to go into the fill, a little tight, but do-able.  I 
was trying to find the model# but I can’t find it, can only find info on the 
Kracor Holding tank.

Since Yamaha bought them, the  seem to be more difficult to deal with.  I would 
think Moeller would have something similar.

 

Bill Coleman

Erie PA

 

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Sent: Friday, May 29, 2020 11:01 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Mike Rose
Subject: Stus-List Fuel tank replacement

 

Hi there-

 

I am looking to upgrade my fuel tank for added capacity. When I purchased the 
boat 20 years ago, I discovered a leaking aluminum tank weeks before launch. I 
located a 16.5 gal.Tempo tank that would easily fit. Now looking for a new 
tank, I have two questions: 

1-Tempo seems to be gone, what other vendors are available (I prefer plastic)? 

2-Most tanks have a 2" fill neck coupled with the bend radius of 1.5" A2 fuel 
hose don't help the situation. What's the best solution to maximize tank height?

 

Thanks,

Mike Rose

s/v Shannon Rose

1972 C 39, Hull #23

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Stus-List Fuel tank replacement

[Mike Rose via CnC-List]

Hi there-

I am looking to upgrade my fuel tank for added capacity. When I purchased
the boat 20 years ago, I discovered a leaking aluminum tank weeks before
launch. I located a 16.5 gal.Tempo tank that would easily fit. Now looking
for a new tank, I have two questions:
1-Tempo seems to be gone, what other vendors are available (I prefer
plastic)?
2-Most tanks have a 2" fill neck coupled with the bend radius of 1.5" A2
fuel hose don't help the situation. What's the best solution to maximize
tank height?

Thanks,
Mike Rose
s/v Shannon Rose
1972 C 39, Hull #23
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Re: Stus-List Fuel Transfer Pump

[Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List]

I've been using a shaker siphon the last two years. Simple, easy to store
and fool proof. Works well offshore during fuel transfers too. $8 on
Amazon.

On Sun, May 17, 2020, 2:50 PM Shawn Wright via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I've been thinking about making a siphon tube for this purpose. The boat
> we did our course on last year used this method and it seemed very
> civilized and spill resistant, as long as you normally carry fuel jugs, as
> we do. Fill them on the dock, place aboard, then siphon into the tank at
> your convenience. Even the best jugs always seem to drip at the spout, so
> the siphon method avoids this. I like the idea of placing on the
> cockpit sole once siphon is started to prevent overfills.
>
> --
> Shawn Wright
> shawngwri...@gmail.com
> S/V Callisto, 1974 C 35
> https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto
>
>
> On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 2:23 PM Charlie Nelson via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> A simple siphon pump can easily empty a fuel can into the diesel tank
>> with no av/dc power required. It may take a while depending on the tubing
>> diameter.
>>
>> A priming style bulb can be used to get it going—unless you like the
>> taste of diesel fuel and start it by ‘mouth’ or otherwise get the tubing
>> filled with fuel.
>>
>> Charlie Nelson
>> Water Phantom
>> 1995 C 36XL/kcb
>>
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>> On Saturday, May 16, 2020, Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>> Listers,
>>
>> A friend just sent me an ad for a battery-operated fuel pump for
>> transferring fuel from a jerry can to the Enterprise’s fuel tank.
>>
>> Currently, I’m pouring from the jerry can directly into the tank, but
>> there is always some spillage and cleanup.
>>
>> This looks like a nifty solution, but I wonder if it falls into the
>> too-good-to-be-true category.
>>
>> Anyone here use one of these? Pros? Cons?
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Edd
>>
>> ———-
>> Edd M. Schillay
>> Captain of the “Starship Enterprise”
>> C 37+ | Sail No.: NCC-1701-B
>> Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL
>> www.StarshipSailing.com
>> ———-
>> 914.774.9767   | Mobile
>> ———-
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Re: Stus-List Fuel Transfer Pump

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

I've been thinking about making a siphon tube for this purpose. The boat we
did our course on last year used this method and it seemed very civilized
and spill resistant, as long as you normally carry fuel jugs, as we do.
Fill them on the dock, place aboard, then siphon into the tank at your
convenience. Even the best jugs always seem to drip at the spout, so the
siphon method avoids this. I like the idea of placing on the cockpit sole
once siphon is started to prevent overfills.

--
Shawn Wright
shawngwri...@gmail.com
S/V Callisto, 1974 C 35
https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto


On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 2:23 PM Charlie Nelson via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> A simple siphon pump can easily empty a fuel can into the diesel tank with
> no av/dc power required. It may take a while depending on the tubing
> diameter.
>
> A priming style bulb can be used to get it going—unless you like the taste
> of diesel fuel and start it by ‘mouth’ or otherwise get the tubing filled
> with fuel.
>
> Charlie Nelson
> Water Phantom
> 1995 C 36XL/kcb
>
> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
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> On Saturday, May 16, 2020, Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Listers,
>
> A friend just sent me an ad for a battery-operated fuel pump for
> transferring fuel from a jerry can to the Enterprise’s fuel tank.
>
> Currently, I’m pouring from the jerry can directly into the tank, but
> there is always some spillage and cleanup.
>
> This looks like a nifty solution, but I wonder if it falls into the
> too-good-to-be-true category.
>
> Anyone here use one of these? Pros? Cons?
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
> ———-
> Edd M. Schillay
> Captain of the “Starship Enterprise”
> C 37+ | Sail No.: NCC-1701-B
> Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL
> www.StarshipSailing.com
> ———-
> 914.774.9767   | Mobile
> ———-
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Re: Stus-List Fuel Transfer Pump

[bwhitmore via CnC-List]

Just used mine yesterday.  It's remarkable how quickly it empties a 5 gallon 
jerry can all the way to the bottom!I wouldn't do it any other way now.Cheap, 
too.BruceSent from Samsung tablet.
 Original message From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
 Date: 5/16/20  10:56 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: C List 
 Cc: Josh Muckley  Subject: Re: 
Stus-List Fuel Transfer Pump Shakers work awesome!  Still gonna have residual 
in the hose which will have lasting potential to make a mess.Josh MuckleyS/V 
Sea Hawk 1989 C 37+Solomons, MDOn Sat, May 16, 2020, 22:47 Marek Dziedzic via 
CnC-List  wrote:





Neil,


Many people, esp. cruising type talk about this shaker siphon. Does it really 
work that well? 


Marek 




 Original message 
From: Neil Gallagher via CnC-List  
Date: 2020-05-16 20:12 (GMT-05:00) 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Neil Gallagher  
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel Transfer Pump 


Edd,

I've been using this, these things are awesome.  There's a bronze ball inside 
the end that goes into the can, shake it a few times and it starts to flow, 
almost faster than you could pour it out.

https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/BK_7302501?cid=paidsearch_shopping_dcoe_google=EAIaIQobChMI2vuN1M256QIVCaCzCh2hJwzoEAQYAiABEgK64PD_BwE

West Marine has them too.

Neil Gallagher
Weatherly, 35-1
Glen Cove, NY


On 5/16/2020 1:59 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List wrote:

Listers,


A friend just sent me an ad for a battery-operated fuel pump for transferring 
fuel from a jerry can to the Enterprise’s fuel tank. 


Currently, I’m pouring from the jerry can directly into the tank, but there is 
always some spillage and cleanup. 


This looks like a nifty solution, but I wonder if it falls into the 
too-good-to-be-true category. 


Anyone here use one of these? Pros? Cons? 


All the best, 



Edd


———-
Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the “Starship Enterprise”
C 37+ | Sail No.: NCC-1701-B
Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL
www.StarshipSailing.com
———-
914.774.9767   | Mobile
———-
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Re: Stus-List Fuel Transfer Pump

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Shakers work awesome!  Still gonna have residual in the hose which will
have lasting potential to make a mess.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Sat, May 16, 2020, 22:47 Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Neil,
>
> Many people, esp. cruising type talk about this shaker siphon. Does it
> really work that well?
>
> Marek
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: Neil Gallagher via CnC-List 
> Date: 2020-05-16 20:12 (GMT-05:00)
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Neil Gallagher 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel Transfer Pump
>
> Edd,
>
> I've been using this, these things are awesome.  There's a bronze ball
> inside the end that goes into the can, shake it a few times and it starts
> to flow, almost faster than you could pour it out.
>
>
> https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/BK_7302501?cid=paidsearch_shopping_dcoe_google=EAIaIQobChMI2vuN1M256QIVCaCzCh2hJwzoEAQYAiABEgK64PD_BwE
>
> West Marine has them too.
>
> Neil Gallagher
> Weatherly, 35-1
> Glen Cove, NY
>
>
> On 5/16/2020 1:59 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List wrote:
>
> Listers,
>
> A friend just sent me an ad for a battery-operated fuel pump for
> transferring fuel from a jerry can to the Enterprise’s fuel tank.
>
> Currently, I’m pouring from the jerry can directly into the tank, but
> there is always some spillage and cleanup.
>
> This looks like a nifty solution, but I wonder if it falls into the
> too-good-to-be-true category.
>
> Anyone here use one of these? Pros? Cons?
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
> ———-
> Edd M. Schillay
> Captain of the “Starship Enterprise”
> C 37+ | Sail No.: NCC-1701-B
> Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL
> www.StarshipSailing.com
> ———-
> 914.774.9767   | Mobile
> ———-
> Sent via iPhone 11 Pro
> iPhone. iTypos. iApologize
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Fuel Transfer Pump

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Neil,

Many people, esp. cruising type talk about this shaker siphon. Does it really 
work that well?

Marek


 Original message 
From: Neil Gallagher via CnC-List 
Date: 2020-05-16 20:12 (GMT-05:00)
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Neil Gallagher 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel Transfer Pump

Edd,

I've been using this, these things are awesome.  There's a bronze ball inside 
the end that goes into the can, shake it a few times and it starts to flow, 
almost faster than you could pour it out.

https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/BK_7302501?cid=paidsearch_shopping_dcoe_google=EAIaIQobChMI2vuN1M256QIVCaCzCh2hJwzoEAQYAiABEgK64PD_BwE

West Marine has them too.

Neil Gallagher
Weatherly, 35-1
Glen Cove, NY


On 5/16/2020 1:59 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List wrote:
Listers,

A friend just sent me an ad for a battery-operated fuel pump for transferring 
fuel from a jerry can to the Enterprise’s fuel tank.

Currently, I’m pouring from the jerry can directly into the tank, but there is 
always some spillage and cleanup.

This looks like a nifty solution, but I wonder if it falls into the 
too-good-to-be-true category.

Anyone here use one of these? Pros? Cons?

All the best,

Edd

———-
Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the “Starship Enterprise”
C 37+ | Sail No.: NCC-1701-B
Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL
www.StarshipSailing.com<http://www.StarshipSailing.com>
———-
914.774.9767   | Mobile
———-
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Re: Stus-List Fuel Transfer Pump

[Neil Gallagher via CnC-List]

Edd,

I've been using this, these things are awesome.  There's a bronze ball 
inside the end that goes into the can, shake it a few times and it 
starts to flow, almost faster than you could pour it out.


https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/BK_7302501?cid=paidsearch_shopping_dcoe_google=EAIaIQobChMI2vuN1M256QIVCaCzCh2hJwzoEAQYAiABEgK64PD_BwE

West Marine has them too.

Neil Gallagher
Weatherly, 35-1
Glen Cove, NY


On 5/16/2020 1:59 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List wrote:

Listers,

A friend just sent me an ad for a battery-operated fuel pump for 
transferring fuel from a jerry can to the Enterprise’s fuel tank.


Currently, I’m pouring from the jerry can directly into the tank, but 
there is always some spillage and cleanup.


This looks like a nifty solution, but I wonder if it falls into the 
too-good-to-be-true category.


Anyone here use one of these? Pros? Cons?

All the best,

Edd

———-
Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the “Starship Enterprise”
C 37+ | Sail No.: NCC-1701-B
Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL
www.StarshipSailing.com
———-
914.774.9767   | Mobile
———-
Sent via iPhone 11 Pro
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Re: Stus-List Fuel Transfer Pump

[Paul Fountain via CnC-List]

Same for us, best part is with the portable tank on the cockpit floor you never 
over fill. I use a universal fuel line with a bulb to start . works great!

Paul

From: CnC-List  on behalf of Charlie Nelson via 
CnC-List 
Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2020 5:23:01 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: cenel...@aol.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel Transfer Pump

A simple siphon pump can easily empty a fuel can into the diesel tank with no 
av/dc power required. It may take a while depending on the tubing diameter.

A priming style bulb can be used to get it going—unless you like the taste of 
diesel fuel and start it by ‘mouth’ or otherwise get the tubing filled with 
fuel.

Charlie Nelson
Water Phantom
1995 C 36XL/kcb

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On Saturday, May 16, 2020, Edd Schillay via CnC-List  
wrote:

Listers,

A friend just sent me an ad for a battery-operated fuel pump for transferring 
fuel from a jerry can to the Enterprise’s fuel tank.

Currently, I’m pouring from the jerry can directly into the tank, but there is 
always some spillage and cleanup.

This looks like a nifty solution, but I wonder if it falls into the 
too-good-to-be-true category.

Anyone here use one of these? Pros? Cons?

All the best,

Edd

———-
Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the “Starship Enterprise”
C 37+ | Sail No.: NCC-1701-B
Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL
www.StarshipSailing.com
———-
914.774.9767   | Mobile
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Re: Stus-List Fuel Transfer Pump

[schiller via CnC-List]

Edd,

I use a battery operated pump that fits in a 5 gallon can to fill my 
Kubota tractor and my kerosene heater.  We also used it on Glenn 
Gambel's C 36 when he had a temporary tank installed while motoring 
across Lake Michigan to get to Milwaukee for a Queens Cup Race.  We 
refueled in mid lake in cold and wet conditions.  It was even more 
difficult because the inlet to the tank was buried below deck.


These types of pumps can be obtained from places like Tractor Supply or 
Harbor Freight.


Neil Schiller
1983 C 35-3, #028, "Grace"
Whitehall, Michigan
WLYC

On 5/16/2020 1:59 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List wrote:

Listers,

A friend just sent me an ad for a battery-operated fuel pump for 
transferring fuel from a jerry can to the Enterprise’s fuel tank.


Currently, I’m pouring from the jerry can directly into the tank, but 
there is always some spillage and cleanup.


This looks like a nifty solution, but I wonder if it falls into the 
too-good-to-be-true category.


Anyone here use one of these? Pros? Cons?

All the best,

Edd

———-
Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the “Starship Enterprise”
C 37+ | Sail No.: NCC-1701-B
Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL
www.StarshipSailing.com
———-
914.774.9767   | Mobile
———-
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Re: Stus-List Fuel Transfer Pump

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

I've never used this but it looks interesting:
https://www.surecanusa.com/product-page/5-gallon-diesel-surecan

Ken H.

On Sat, 16 May 2020 at 14:59, Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Listers,
>
> A friend just sent me an ad for a battery-operated fuel pump for
> transferring fuel from a jerry can to the Enterprise’s fuel tank.
>
> Currently, I’m pouring from the jerry can directly into the tank, but
> there is always some spillage and cleanup.
>
> This looks like a nifty solution, but I wonder if it falls into the
> too-good-to-be-true category.
>
> Anyone here use one of these? Pros? Cons?
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
> ———-
> Edd M. Schillay
> Captain of the “Starship Enterprise”
> C 37+ | Sail No.: NCC-1701-B
> Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL
> www.StarshipSailing.com
> ———-
> 914.774.9767   | Mobile
> ———-
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Re: Stus-List Fuel Transfer Pump

[Charlie Nelson via CnC-List]

A simple siphon pump can easily empty a fuel can into the diesel tank with no 
av/dc power required. It may take a while depending on the tubing diameter.
A priming style bulb can be used to get it going—unless you like the taste of 
diesel fuel and start it by ‘mouth’ or otherwise get the tubing filled with 
fuel.
Charlie NelsonWater Phantom1995 C 36XL/kcb

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 On Saturday, May 16, 2020, Edd Schillay via CnC-List  
wrote:

Listers,
A friend just sent me an ad for a battery-operated fuel pump for transferring 
fuel from a jerry can to the Enterprise’s fuel tank. 
Currently, I’m pouring from the jerry can directly into the tank, but there is 
always some spillage and cleanup. 
This looks like a nifty solution, but I wonder if it falls into the 
too-good-to-be-true category. 
Anyone here use one of these? Pros? Cons? 

All the best, 
Edd
———-Edd M. SchillayCaptain of the “Starship Enterprise”C 37+ | 
Sail No.: NCC-1701-BVenice Yacht Club | Venice Island, 
FLwww.StarshipSailing.com———-914.774.9767   | 
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Re: Stus-List Fuel Transfer Pump

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

I remove used lube oil from my engine with an impeller pump connected to my
battery powered hand drill. Still a mess to clean up the hoses afterward.
But you gave me an idea And clean up of diesel fuel in the hoses should be
easier. I filter all fuel going into my tank from the jerry can and that
slows down the flow and the 5 gallon Jerry can is heavy. I may try my drill
pump next time. It has a pretty simple on/off control a trigger to start
and stop flow.

On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 2:59 PM Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Listers,
>
> A friend just sent me an ad for a battery-operated fuel pump for
> transferring fuel from a jerry can to the Enterprise’s fuel tank.
>
> Currently, I’m pouring from the jerry can directly into the tank, but
> there is always some spillage and cleanup.
>
> This looks like a nifty solution, but I wonder if it falls into the
> too-good-to-be-true category.
>
> Anyone here use one of these? Pros? Cons?
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
> ———-
> Edd M. Schillay
> Captain of the “Starship Enterprise”
> C 37+ | Sail No.: NCC-1701-B
> Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL
> www.StarshipSailing.com
> ———-
> 914.774.9767   | Mobile
> ———-
> Sent via iPhone 11 Pro
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>
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Stus-List Fuel Transfer Pump

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Listers,

A friend just sent me an ad for a battery-operated fuel pump for transferring 
fuel from a jerry can to the Enterprise’s fuel tank. 

Currently, I’m pouring from the jerry can directly into the tank, but there is 
always some spillage and cleanup. 

This looks like a nifty solution, but I wonder if it falls into the 
too-good-to-be-true category. 

Anyone here use one of these? Pros? Cons? 

All the best, 

Edd

———-
Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the “Starship Enterprise”
C 37+ | Sail No.: NCC-1701-B
Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL
www.StarshipSailing.com
———-
914.774.9767   | Mobile
———-
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Re: Stus-List Fuel tracker app

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

They left the original one in place and just capped it off inside.  So
nothing to patch or paint.

Ken H.

On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 at 09:10, David Risch via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Maybe when I repaint and can fill hole…but in the meantime.
>
>
>
> *David F. Risch*
>
> *(401) 419-4650*
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List  *On Behalf Of *Ken
> Heaton via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 25, 2020 7:48 AM
> *To:* cnc-list 
> *Cc:* Ken Heaton 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Fuel tracker app
>
>
>
> At some point in the past, a past owner moved the Fuel Tank vent from the
> outside of the hull to the inside of the Propane Locker, which is
> right next to the fuel fill on our 37 XL.  The reason was to make it
> impossible for the fuel vent to draw water into the fuel tank with the rail
> under.  This new location is very helpful when filling the tank as it is
> easy to listen to for the change in sound when filling.  Even if it spits
> out a wee bit of fuel, it is easy to clean up as it is contained within
> the propane locker so can be cleaned up quickly before it goes out the
> propane locker drain.
>
>
>
> Ken H.
>
>
>
> On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 at 07:53, Andrew Burton via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> When I top up fuel I listen with my ear close to the fill and when I hear
> the gurgle change pitch I stop filling. You can get an idea of what I’m
> talking about by getting an empty wine bottle—something we all have kicking
> around these days—and listening as you fill it from the tap. When it’s just
> about full the noise of water gets higher. Doing this I never had fuel come
> out my vent on my 40.
>
> An important note, empty the water out of the wine bottle when you’re
> finished the experiment so you don’t accidentally consume the stuff. Fish
> s*** in it!
>
> Andy
>
> Masquerade
>
> Andrew Burton
>
> 26 Beacon Hill
>
> Newport, RI
>
> USA02840
>
>
>
> www.burtonsailing.com
>
> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
>
> +401 965-5260
>
>
> On Mar 24, 2020, at 22:41, David Risch via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
> So how do folks "fill" condistently without vent spill.  One of those vent
> "catchers"  or some other arrangement?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Sent from my Android. Please forgive typos. Thank you.
>
>
>
> 26 Beacon Hill
>
> Newport, RI
>
> USA02840
>
>
>
> www.burtonsailing.com
>
> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
>
> +401 965-5260
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Fuel tracker app

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

All this tank talk makes me feel good, since my 40 year old aluminum tank
started oozing fuel a couple years ago - I replaced it with a plastic tank.
I can now just look at the tank and see the fuel level. Ducked that problem
- and the gauge on the new tank isn't that accurate.

 

Gary Nylander, 30-1

 

From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of David Risch via
CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 10:42 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: David Risch 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel tracker app

 

So how do folks "fill" condistently without vent spill.  One of those vent
"catchers"  or some other arrangement?

Thanks. 

Sent from my Android. Please forgive typos. Thank you. 

 

  _  

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CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 6:28:36 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: Andrew Burton mailto:a.burton.sai...@gmail.com> >
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel tracker app 

 

Tracking your fuel consumption and fuel available is really a fairly
important safety measure. I filled my tank and ran my boats for 12 hours at
cruising speed and then filled up again. It was pretty easy to figure fuel
consumption in gallon/ hour and get a good idea of my range under power. I
know that if I run at lower rpms I can go longer and if I run faster my fuel
will give out sooner. I also have a good idea of the capacity of my tank
because with 5 extra gallons handy I've run the tank dry. Bleeding the
engine is easy and a handy skill to possess. 

One of the few ways a Swan is better than a Baltic is that they have a tube
and a calibrated dipstick for water and fuel tanks so up you can get a good
handle on your remaining fuel. I plan to install a way to dip my tank on
Masquerade soon. Another great way to monitor tank level is to have a sight
tube; basically you have an elbow coming out the bottom of the tank and
another at the top directly above and connect them with a clear or
translucent hose. Simple and elegant.

The only fuel gauges I've seen that consistently work are the ones where you
pump them up at the gauge and take a reading. I think it's called a Tank
Tender.

Good luck

Andy

Masquerade

Currently in Oxford, MD

Planning to start back toward Newport tomorrow

Andrew Burton 

26 Beacon Hill

Newport, RI 

USA02840

 

www.burtonsailing.com <http://www.burtonsailing.com> 

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ 

+401 965-5260

 

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Re: Stus-List Fuel tracker app

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Wasn’t there a little catch container with suction cups one could use?

David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650

From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of David Risch via 
CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 8:10 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: David Risch 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel tracker app

Maybe when I repaint and can fill hole…but in the meantime.

David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650

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mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>> On Behalf 
Of Ken Heaton via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 7:48 AM
To: cnc-list mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Ken Heaton mailto:kenhea...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel tracker app

At some point in the past, a past owner moved the Fuel Tank vent from the 
outside of the hull to the inside of the Propane Locker, which is right next to 
the fuel fill on our 37 XL.  The reason was to make it impossible for the fuel 
vent to draw water into the fuel tank with the rail under.  This new location 
is very helpful when filling the tank as it is easy to listen to for the change 
in sound when filling.  Even if it spits out a wee bit of fuel, it is easy to 
clean up as it is contained within the propane locker so can be cleaned up 
quickly before it goes out the propane locker drain.

Ken H.

On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 at 07:53, Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
When I top up fuel I listen with my ear close to the fill and when I hear the 
gurgle change pitch I stop filling. You can get an idea of what I’m talking 
about by getting an empty wine bottle—something we all have kicking around 
these days—and listening as you fill it from the tap. When it’s just about full 
the noise of water gets higher. Doing this I never had fuel come out my vent on 
my 40.
An important note, empty the water out of the wine bottle when you’re finished 
the experiment so you don’t accidentally consume the stuff. Fish s*** in it!
Andy
Masquerade
Andrew Burton
26 Beacon Hill
Newport, RI
USA02840

www.burtonsailing.com<http://www.burtonsailing.com>
http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260

On Mar 24, 2020, at 22:41, David Risch via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
So how do folks "fill" condistently without vent spill.  One of those vent 
"catchers"  or some other arrangement?
Thanks.
Sent from my Android. Please forgive typos. Thank you.


From: CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>> on behalf 
of Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 6:28:36 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Andrew Burton mailto:a.burton.sai...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel tracker app

Tracking your fuel consumption and fuel available is really a fairly important 
safety measure. I filled my tank and ran my boats for 12 hours at cruising 
speed and then filled up again. It was pretty easy to figure fuel consumption 
in gallon/ hour and get a good idea of my range under power. I know that if I 
run at lower rpms I can go longer and if I run faster my fuel will give out 
sooner. I also have a good idea of the capacity of my tank because with 5 extra 
gallons handy I’ve run the tank dry. Bleeding the engine is easy and a handy 
skill to possess.
One of the few ways a Swan is better than a Baltic is that they have a tube and 
a calibrated dipstick for water and fuel tanks so up you can get a good handle 
on your remaining fuel. I plan to install a way to dip my tank on Masquerade 
soon. Another great way to monitor tank level is to have a sight tube; 
basically you have an elbow coming out the bottom of the tank and another at 
the top directly above and connect them with a clear or translucent hose. 
Simple and elegant.
The only fuel gauges I’ve seen that consistently work are the ones where you 
pump them up at the gauge and take a reading. I think it’s called a Tank Tender.
Good luck
Andy
Masquerade
Currently in Oxford, MD
Planning to start back toward Newport tomorrow
Andrew Burton
26 Beacon Hill
Newport, RI
USA02840

www.burtonsailing.com<http://www.burtonsailing.com>
http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260

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[David Risch via CnC-List]

Maybe when I repaint and can fill hole…but in the meantime.

David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650

From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Ken Heaton via 
CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 7:48 AM
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Ken Heaton 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel tracker app

At some point in the past, a past owner moved the Fuel Tank vent from the 
outside of the hull to the inside of the Propane Locker, which is right next to 
the fuel fill on our 37 XL.  The reason was to make it impossible for the fuel 
vent to draw water into the fuel tank with the rail under.  This new location 
is very helpful when filling the tank as it is easy to listen to for the change 
in sound when filling.  Even if it spits out a wee bit of fuel, it is easy to 
clean up as it is contained within the propane locker so can be cleaned up 
quickly before it goes out the propane locker drain.

Ken H.

On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 at 07:53, Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
When I top up fuel I listen with my ear close to the fill and when I hear the 
gurgle change pitch I stop filling. You can get an idea of what I’m talking 
about by getting an empty wine bottle—something we all have kicking around 
these days—and listening as you fill it from the tap. When it’s just about full 
the noise of water gets higher. Doing this I never had fuel come out my vent on 
my 40.
An important note, empty the water out of the wine bottle when you’re finished 
the experiment so you don’t accidentally consume the stuff. Fish s*** in it!
Andy
Masquerade
Andrew Burton
26 Beacon Hill
Newport, RI
USA02840

www.burtonsailing.com<http://www.burtonsailing.com>
http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260

On Mar 24, 2020, at 22:41, David Risch via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
So how do folks "fill" condistently without vent spill.  One of those vent 
"catchers"  or some other arrangement?
Thanks.
Sent from my Android. Please forgive typos. Thank you.


From: CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>> on behalf 
of Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Andrew Burton mailto:a.burton.sai...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel tracker app

Tracking your fuel consumption and fuel available is really a fairly important 
safety measure. I filled my tank and ran my boats for 12 hours at cruising 
speed and then filled up again. It was pretty easy to figure fuel consumption 
in gallon/ hour and get a good idea of my range under power. I know that if I 
run at lower rpms I can go longer and if I run faster my fuel will give out 
sooner. I also have a good idea of the capacity of my tank because with 5 extra 
gallons handy I’ve run the tank dry. Bleeding the engine is easy and a handy 
skill to possess.
One of the few ways a Swan is better than a Baltic is that they have a tube and 
a calibrated dipstick for water and fuel tanks so up you can get a good handle 
on your remaining fuel. I plan to install a way to dip my tank on Masquerade 
soon. Another great way to monitor tank level is to have a sight tube; 
basically you have an elbow coming out the bottom of the tank and another at 
the top directly above and connect them with a clear or translucent hose. 
Simple and elegant.
The only fuel gauges I’ve seen that consistently work are the ones where you 
pump them up at the gauge and take a reading. I think it’s called a Tank Tender.
Good luck
Andy
Masquerade
Currently in Oxford, MD
Planning to start back toward Newport tomorrow
Andrew Burton
26 Beacon Hill
Newport, RI
USA02840

www.burtonsailing.com<http://www.burtonsailing.com>
http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260

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Re: Stus-List Fuel tracker app

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

At some point in the past, a past owner moved the Fuel Tank vent from the
outside of the hull to the inside of the Propane Locker, which is
right next to the fuel fill on our 37 XL.  The reason was to make it
impossible for the fuel vent to draw water into the fuel tank with the rail
under.  This new location is very helpful when filling the tank as it is
easy to listen to for the change in sound when filling.  Even if it spits
out a wee bit of fuel, it is easy to clean up as it is contained within
the propane locker so can be cleaned up quickly before it goes out the
propane locker drain.

Ken H.

On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 at 07:53, Andrew Burton via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> When I top up fuel I listen with my ear close to the fill and when I hear
> the gurgle change pitch I stop filling. You can get an idea of what I’m
> talking about by getting an empty wine bottle—something we all have kicking
> around these days—and listening as you fill it from the tap. When it’s just
> about full the noise of water gets higher. Doing this I never had fuel come
> out my vent on my 40.
> An important note, empty the water out of the wine bottle when you’re
> finished the experiment so you don’t accidentally consume the stuff. Fish
> s*** in it!
> Andy
> Masquerade
>
> Andrew Burton
> 26 Beacon Hill
> Newport, RI
> USA02840
>
> www.burtonsailing.com
> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
> +401 965-5260
>
> On Mar 24, 2020, at 22:41, David Risch via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
> So how do folks "fill" condistently without vent spill.  One of those vent
> "catchers"  or some other arrangement?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Sent from my Android. Please forgive typos. Thank you.
>
> --
> *From:* CnC-List  on behalf of Andrew
> Burton via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 6:28:36 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> *Cc:* Andrew Burton 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Fuel tracker app
>
> Tracking your fuel consumption and fuel available is really a fairly
> important safety measure. I filled my tank and ran my boats for 12 hours at
> cruising speed and then filled up again. It was pretty easy to figure fuel
> consumption in gallon/ hour and get a good idea of my range under power. I
> know that if I run at lower rpms I can go longer and if I run faster my
> fuel will give out sooner. I also have a good idea of the capacity of my
> tank because with 5 extra gallons handy I’ve run the tank dry. Bleeding the
> engine is easy and a handy skill to possess.
> One of the few ways a Swan is better than a Baltic is that they have a
> tube and a calibrated dipstick for water and fuel tanks so up you can get a
> good handle on your remaining fuel. I plan to install a way to dip my tank
> on Masquerade soon. Another great way to monitor tank level is to have a
> sight tube; basically you have an elbow coming out the bottom of the tank
> and another at the top directly above and connect them with a clear or
> translucent hose. Simple and elegant.
> The only fuel gauges I’ve seen that consistently work are the ones where
> you pump them up at the gauge and take a reading. I think it’s called a
> Tank Tender.
> Good luck
> Andy
> Masquerade
> Currently in Oxford, MD
> Planning to start back toward Newport tomorrow
>
> Andrew Burton
> 26 Beacon Hill
> Newport, RI
> USA02840
>
> www.burtonsailing.com
> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
> +401 965-5260
>
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Re: Stus-List Fuel tracker app

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Use that method...but more often than I like I dribble fuel.  Need a better and 
cleaner method.  Have a whistle for dockside high capacity, but may install a T 
at vent line high boat with an over flow bottle for jerry fills.  Anyone try 
this?

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From: CnC-List  on behalf of Andrew Burton via 
CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 6:52:14 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Andrew Burton 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel tracker app

When I top up fuel I listen with my ear close to the fill and when I hear the 
gurgle change pitch I stop filling. You can get an idea of what I’m talking 
about by getting an empty wine bottle—something we all have kicking around 
these days—and listening as you fill it from the tap. When it’s just about full 
the noise of water gets higher. Doing this I never had fuel come out my vent on 
my 40.
An important note, empty the water out of the wine bottle when you’re finished 
the experiment so you don’t accidentally consume the stuff. Fish s*** in it!
Andy
Masquerade

Andrew Burton
26 Beacon Hill
Newport, RI
USA02840

www.burtonsailing.com<http://www.burtonsailing.com>
http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260

On Mar 24, 2020, at 22:41, David Risch via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

So how do folks "fill" condistently without vent spill.  One of those vent 
"catchers"  or some other arrangement?

Thanks.

Sent from my Android. Please forgive typos. Thank you.


From: CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>> on behalf 
of Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 6:28:36 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Andrew Burton mailto:a.burton.sai...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel tracker app

Tracking your fuel consumption and fuel available is really a fairly important 
safety measure. I filled my tank and ran my boats for 12 hours at cruising 
speed and then filled up again. It was pretty easy to figure fuel consumption 
in gallon/ hour and get a good idea of my range under power. I know that if I 
run at lower rpms I can go longer and if I run faster my fuel will give out 
sooner. I also have a good idea of the capacity of my tank because with 5 extra 
gallons handy I’ve run the tank dry. Bleeding the engine is easy and a handy 
skill to possess.
One of the few ways a Swan is better than a Baltic is that they have a tube and 
a calibrated dipstick for water and fuel tanks so up you can get a good handle 
on your remaining fuel. I plan to install a way to dip my tank on Masquerade 
soon. Another great way to monitor tank level is to have a sight tube; 
basically you have an elbow coming out the bottom of the tank and another at 
the top directly above and connect them with a clear or translucent hose. 
Simple and elegant.
The only fuel gauges I’ve seen that consistently work are the ones where you 
pump them up at the gauge and take a reading. I think it’s called a Tank Tender.
Good luck
Andy
Masquerade
Currently in Oxford, MD
Planning to start back toward Newport tomorrow

Andrew Burton
26 Beacon Hill
Newport, RI
USA02840

www.burtonsailing.com<http://www.burtonsailing.com>
http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260

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Re: Stus-List Fuel tracker app

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

When I top up fuel I listen with my ear close to the fill and when I hear the 
gurgle change pitch I stop filling. You can get an idea of what I’m talking 
about by getting an empty wine bottle—something we all have kicking around 
these days—and listening as you fill it from the tap. When it’s just about full 
the noise of water gets higher. Doing this I never had fuel come out my vent on 
my 40.
An important note, empty the water out of the wine bottle when you’re finished 
the experiment so you don’t accidentally consume the stuff. Fish s*** in it!
Andy
Masquerade

Andrew Burton
26 Beacon Hill
Newport, RI 
USA02840

www.burtonsailing.com
http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260

> On Mar 24, 2020, at 22:41, David Risch via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> So how do folks "fill" condistently without vent spill.  One of those vent 
> "catchers"  or some other arrangement?
> 
> Thanks. 
> 
> Sent from my Android. Please forgive typos. Thank you.
> 
> From: CnC-List  on behalf of Andrew Burton via 
> CnC-List 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 6:28:36 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> Cc: Andrew Burton 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel tracker app
>  
> Tracking your fuel consumption and fuel available is really a fairly 
> important safety measure. I filled my tank and ran my boats for 12 hours at 
> cruising speed and then filled up again. It was pretty easy to figure fuel 
> consumption in gallon/ hour and get a good idea of my range under power. I 
> know that if I run at lower rpms I can go longer and if I run faster my fuel 
> will give out sooner. I also have a good idea of the capacity of my tank 
> because with 5 extra gallons handy I’ve run the tank dry. Bleeding the engine 
> is easy and a handy skill to possess.
> One of the few ways a Swan is better than a Baltic is that they have a tube 
> and a calibrated dipstick for water and fuel tanks so up you can get a good 
> handle on your remaining fuel. I plan to install a way to dip my tank on 
> Masquerade soon. Another great way to monitor tank level is to have a sight 
> tube; basically you have an elbow coming out the bottom of the tank and 
> another at the top directly above and connect them with a clear or 
> translucent hose. Simple and elegant.
> The only fuel gauges I’ve seen that consistently work are the ones where you 
> pump them up at the gauge and take a reading. I think it’s called a Tank 
> Tender.
> Good luck
> Andy
> Masquerade
> Currently in Oxford, MD
> Planning to start back toward Newport tomorrow
> 
> Andrew Burton
> 26 Beacon Hill
> Newport, RI 
> USA02840
> 
> www.burtonsailing.com
> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
> +401 965-5260
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Re: Stus-List Fuel tracker app

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

My gauge works somewhat, although it reads just over 3/4 when full, and
I've never run it empty, and have topped it off when the gauge reads 1/4
(only happened once). The gauge is old an of unknown make, so I will
probably replace it at some point, but I like the idea of a dipstick. Easy
to do, as the tank sticks out a few inches into the stbd locker, so I could
easily drill another hole in the large 1/4" aluminum plate were all the
fittings are. A brass plug from a pencil zinc would work perfectly for an
easy to use stick holder that could be sealed to prevent leaks, and I
probably have all the pieces on hand already...  Thanks for the idea!

--
Shawn Wright
shawngwri...@gmail.com
S/V Callisto, 1974 C 35
https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto


On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 3:29 PM Andrew Burton via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Tracking your fuel consumption and fuel available is really a fairly
> important safety measure. I filled my tank and ran my boats for 12 hours at
> cruising speed and then filled up again. It was pretty easy to figure fuel
> consumption in gallon/ hour and get a good idea of my range under power. I
> know that if I run at lower rpms I can go longer and if I run faster my
> fuel will give out sooner. I also have a good idea of the capacity of my
> tank because with 5 extra gallons handy I’ve run the tank dry. Bleeding the
> engine is easy and a handy skill to possess.
> One of the few ways a Swan is better than a Baltic is that they have a
> tube and a calibrated dipstick for water and fuel tanks so up you can get a
> good handle on your remaining fuel. I plan to install a way to dip my tank
> on Masquerade soon. Another great way to monitor tank level is to have a
> sight tube; basically you have an elbow coming out the bottom of the tank
> and another at the top directly above and connect them with a clear or
> translucent hose. Simple and elegant.
> The only fuel gauges I’ve seen that consistently work are the ones where
> you pump them up at the gauge and take a reading. I think it’s called a
> Tank Tender.
> Good luck
> Andy
> Masquerade
> Currently in Oxford, MD
> Planning to start back toward Newport tomorrow
>
> Andrew Burton
> 26 Beacon Hill
> Newport, RI
> USA02840
>
> www.burtonsailing.com
> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
> +401 965-5260
>
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Re: Stus-List Fuel tracker app

[David Risch via CnC-List]

So how do folks "fill" condistently without vent spill.  One of those vent 
"catchers"  or some other arrangement?

Thanks.

Sent from my Android. Please forgive typos. Thank you.


From: CnC-List  on behalf of Andrew Burton via 
CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 6:28:36 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Andrew Burton 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel tracker app

Tracking your fuel consumption and fuel available is really a fairly important 
safety measure. I filled my tank and ran my boats for 12 hours at cruising 
speed and then filled up again. It was pretty easy to figure fuel consumption 
in gallon/ hour and get a good idea of my range under power. I know that if I 
run at lower rpms I can go longer and if I run faster my fuel will give out 
sooner. I also have a good idea of the capacity of my tank because with 5 extra 
gallons handy I’ve run the tank dry. Bleeding the engine is easy and a handy 
skill to possess.
One of the few ways a Swan is better than a Baltic is that they have a tube and 
a calibrated dipstick for water and fuel tanks so up you can get a good handle 
on your remaining fuel. I plan to install a way to dip my tank on Masquerade 
soon. Another great way to monitor tank level is to have a sight tube; 
basically you have an elbow coming out the bottom of the tank and another at 
the top directly above and connect them with a clear or translucent hose. 
Simple and elegant.
The only fuel gauges I’ve seen that consistently work are the ones where you 
pump them up at the gauge and take a reading. I think it’s called a Tank Tender.
Good luck
Andy
Masquerade
Currently in Oxford, MD
Planning to start back toward Newport tomorrow

Andrew Burton
26 Beacon Hill
Newport, RI
USA02840

www.burtonsailing.com<http://www.burtonsailing.com>
http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260

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Re: Stus-List Fuel tracker app

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

Tracking your fuel consumption and fuel available is really a fairly important 
safety measure. I filled my tank and ran my boats for 12 hours at cruising 
speed and then filled up again. It was pretty easy to figure fuel consumption 
in gallon/ hour and get a good idea of my range under power. I know that if I 
run at lower rpms I can go longer and if I run faster my fuel will give out 
sooner. I also have a good idea of the capacity of my tank because with 5 extra 
gallons handy I’ve run the tank dry. Bleeding the engine is easy and a handy 
skill to possess.
One of the few ways a Swan is better than a Baltic is that they have a tube and 
a calibrated dipstick for water and fuel tanks so up you can get a good handle 
on your remaining fuel. I plan to install a way to dip my tank on Masquerade 
soon. Another great way to monitor tank level is to have a sight tube; 
basically you have an elbow coming out the bottom of the tank and another at 
the top directly above and connect them with a clear or translucent hose. 
Simple and elegant.
The only fuel gauges I’ve seen that consistently work are the ones where you 
pump them up at the gauge and take a reading. I think it’s called a Tank Tender.
Good luck
Andy
Masquerade
Currently in Oxford, MD
Planning to start back toward Newport tomorrow

Andrew Burton
26 Beacon Hill
Newport, RI 
USA02840

www.burtonsailing.com
http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260
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Re: Stus-List Fuel tracker app

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Yes, a phone app.

I currently, like several of us on the list, track fuel usage manually.
Every gallon of fuel Touche' has used for the last 15+ years has been
dutifully logged with the date, amount, location, fill up (yes/no), the
knotlog miles and the engine hours.  Another column lists the gallons per
hour manually calculated.  I calculate long term average gallons per hour
as well as gallons per hour for individual trips.  Any deviation of
individual trip GPH from long term average GPH could indicate an engine
problem, dirty bottom, problem with propeller, etc.

So far I have resisted the urge to do a spreadsheet for all that.

I just thought it would be nice to have a phone app that did most if not
all of that.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA






On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 12:46 PM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Are you talking about a phone app? It is simple division, miles traveled
> and gallons used gives MPG or hours run and gallons used gives GPH. You can
> substitute hours for miles no problem.
>
> Not sure why you need an app for that though??
>
> An actual device to measure fuel used is an amazing thing and vastly
> superior to a gas gauge. I use them flying frequently and the best ones tie
> to the GPS to give you a NMPG reading and set off an alarm if you won’t
> make the next waypoint with enough fuel. They all will show gallons used,
> gallons remaining, and instantaneous GPH.
>
> The problems for our boats are twofold:
>
> 1.  A diesel has a return line, so you need two sensors to keep track
> of actual fuel used.
>
> 2.  Our engines burn so little fuel that many totalizers will fail to
> read correctly. If it is designed for say 0-100 GPH, it might be quite
> inaccurate in the pint to quart to half gallon an hour range.
>
>
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
> * one more thing, they rely on accurate user input of gallons added. Air
> Canada famously ran a jet out of fuel because the fuel gauges were broken
> and they relied on the totalizer. They ordered say 3,000 gallons and got
> 3,000 liters or similar, programmed in the larger incorrect number, and ran
> out with no warning.
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List  *On Behalf Of *Dennis C.
> via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 10:58 AM
> *To:* CnClist 
> *Cc:* Dennis C. 
> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Fuel tracker app
>
>
>
> Anybody found a good app to track fuel usage by engine hours?  Most of the
> ones I've looked at track by mileage not engine hours.
>
>
>
> Dennis C.
>
> Touche' 35-1 #83
>
> Mandeville, LA
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[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Are you talking about a phone app? It is simple division, miles traveled and 
gallons used gives MPG or hours run and gallons used gives GPH. You can 
substitute hours for miles no problem.
Not sure why you need an app for that though??
An actual device to measure fuel used is an amazing thing and vastly superior 
to a gas gauge. I use them flying frequently and the best ones tie to the GPS 
to give you a NMPG reading and set off an alarm if you won’t make the next 
waypoint with enough fuel. They all will show gallons used, gallons remaining, 
and instantaneous GPH.
The problems for our boats are twofold:

1.  A diesel has a return line, so you need two sensors to keep track of 
actual fuel used.

2.  Our engines burn so little fuel that many totalizers will fail to read 
correctly. If it is designed for say 0-100 GPH, it might be quite inaccurate in 
the pint to quart to half gallon an hour range.

Joe
Coquina
* one more thing, they rely on accurate user input of gallons added. Air Canada 
famously ran a jet out of fuel because the fuel gauges were broken and they 
relied on the totalizer. They ordered say 3,000 gallons and got 3,000 liters or 
similar, programmed in the larger incorrect number, and ran out with no warning.

From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Dennis C. via 
CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 10:58 AM
To: CnClist 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Fuel tracker app

Anybody found a good app to track fuel usage by engine hours?  Most of the ones 
I've looked at track by mileage not engine hours.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List Fuel gauge calibration

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Did that manually and still not trusted...

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From: CnC-List  on behalf of Charlie Nelson via 
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Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 10:34:42 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: cenel...@aol.com 
Subject: Stus-List Fuel gauge calibration

See tanksinc.com for an inexpensive ($69) fuel gauge calibration unit. It can 
be used for 4 calibration points and allows you to calibrate the amount of fuel 
in the tank (independent of fuel tank shape) to the gauge. Since our tanks are 
often not rectangular in all 3 dimensions, any sensor that relies on depth of 
fuel in the tank is at best an approximation.

Apparently this gauge calibrator changes the resistance (reported by the sender 
to the gauge). Thus, you set the gauge to empty when the fuel is just at the 
pick-up, set it to 1/4 when you know the tank is 1/4 full, set it to 1/2 full 
when you know the tank is 1/2 full, etc. for 3/4 tank and full tank. It 
requires 12 volts but has battery to store the calibration points I think--have 
not installed it yet.

FWIW--especially for those who care about the fuel in their tank and can't (or 
won't) keep up with the hours and gallons/hour, etc.

Charlie Nelson
Water Phantom
1995 C 36 XL/kcb





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[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Anybody found a good app to track fuel usage by engine hours?  Most of the
ones I've looked at track by mileage not engine hours.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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[Charlie Nelson via CnC-List]

See tanksinc.com for an inexpensive ($69) fuel gauge calibration unit. It can 
be used for 4 calibration points and allows you to calibrate the amount of fuel 
in the tank (independent of fuel tank shape) to the gauge. Since our tanks are 
often not rectangular in all 3 dimensions, any sensor that relies on depth of 
fuel in the tank is at best an approximation.
Apparently this gauge calibrator changes the resistance (reported by the sender 
to the gauge). Thus, you set the gauge to empty when the fuel is just at the 
pick-up, set it to 1/4 when you know the tank is 1/4 full, set it to 1/2 full 
when you know the tank is 1/2 full, etc. for 3/4 tank and full tank. It 
requires 12 volts but has battery to store the calibration points I think--have 
not installed it yet.
FWIW--especially for those who care about the fuel in their tank and can't (or 
won't) keep up with the hours and gallons/hour, etc. 
Charlie NelsonWater Phantom1995 C 36 XL/kcb




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Re: Stus-List Fuel Pickup on 37+/40

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

I don't trust our fuel gauge either. I log engine hours and I know our
average fuel consumption per hour.  That lets me know how much fuel we need
at any time.  Works quite well, and is always confirmed when we refill the
fuel tank, how much we took compared to what I calculated it would take.

Ken H.

On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 at 08:55, David Risch via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Yup.  I replaced the fuel sending unit.  Calibrated 5 gals at a time (20
> gal. tank), still don’t trust it.   Below ¼ add fuel.  Added a 15 gallon
> bladder that I fill the main tank with via fuel pump.  Attempted
> recalibration again this year.  Dunno results.
>
>
>
> *David F. Risch*
>
> *(401) 419-4650*
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List  *On Behalf Of *Tom
> Buscaglia via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 12:09 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Tom Buscaglia 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Fuel Pickup on 37+/40
>
>
>
> I ran out of fuel 2x last season expecting 40G.  At each refill, once
> after a humiliating tow and another in our home harbor with a dinghy to the
> dock and a Jerry can run, the tank would only take ~25G.
>
> Tom Buscaglia
>
> S/V Alera
>
> 1990 C 37+/40
>
> Vashon WA
>
> P 206.463.9200
>
> C 305.409.3660
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 23, 2020, at 5:30 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2020 18:00:00 -0400
> From: Josh Muckley 
> To: "C List" 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel Pickup on 37+/40
>
> Message-ID:
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> I've had mine out.  It is as simple as unscrewing the fitting coming off
> the top of the tank.  It was just a straight translucent white plastic tube
> extending down about 11.5 inches from the top plain of the tank.  The end
> is cut at a slight angle and there is no filter or screen.
>
> What is your indication of "running out"?
>
> My fuel gage stops responding at about 1/4 tank and I believe that the
> level sensor arm is bottoming out on a tank baffle so as to prevent it from
> lowering fully.
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
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Re: Stus-List Fuel Pickup on 37+/40

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Yup.  I replaced the fuel sending unit.  Calibrated 5 gals at a time (20 gal. 
tank), still don’t trust it.   Below ¼ add fuel.  Added a 15 gallon bladder 
that I fill the main tank with via fuel pump.  Attempted recalibration again 
this year.  Dunno results.

David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650

From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Tom Buscaglia via 
CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 12:09 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Tom Buscaglia 
Subject: Stus-List Fuel Pickup on 37+/40

I ran out of fuel 2x last season expecting 40G.  At each refill, once after a 
humiliating tow and another in our home harbor with a dinghy to the dock and a 
Jerry can run, the tank would only take ~25G.
Tom Buscaglia
S/V Alera
1990 C 37+/40
Vashon WA
P 206.463.9200
C 305.409.3660



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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2020 18:00:00 -0400
From: Josh Muckley mailto:muckl...@gmail.com>>
To: "C List" mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel Pickup on 37+/40
Message-ID:
   
mailto:CA+zaCRAwBPtoROoWVb2A=06b3bydqycq2gr-bzecq1ncjks...@mail.gmail.com>>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

I've had mine out.  It is as simple as unscrewing the fitting coming off
the top of the tank.  It was just a straight translucent white plastic tube
extending down about 11.5 inches from the top plain of the tank.  The end
is cut at a slight angle and there is no filter or screen.

What is your indication of "running out"?

My fuel gage stops responding at about 1/4 tank and I believe that the
level sensor arm is bottoming out on a tank baffle so as to prevent it from
lowering fully.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD
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Stus-List Fuel Pickup on 37+/40

[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

I ran out of fuel 2x last season expecting 40G.  At each refill, once after a 
humiliating tow and another in our home harbor with a dinghy to the dock and a 
Jerry can run, the tank would only take ~25G.

Tom Buscaglia
S/V Alera 
1990 C 37+/40
Vashon WA
P 206.463.9200
C 305.409.3660


> On Mar 23, 2020, at 5:30 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2020 18:00:00 -0400
> From: Josh Muckley 
> To: "C List" 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel Pickup on 37+/40
> Message-ID:
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> I've had mine out.  It is as simple as unscrewing the fitting coming off
> the top of the tank.  It was just a straight translucent white plastic tube
> extending down about 11.5 inches from the top plain of the tank.  The end
> is cut at a slight angle and there is no filter or screen.
> 
> What is your indication of "running out"?
> 
> My fuel gage stops responding at about 1/4 tank and I believe that the
> level sensor arm is bottoming out on a tank baffle so as to prevent it from
> lowering fully.
> 
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
> 
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Re: Stus-List Fuel Pickup on 37+/40

[bwhitmore via CnC-List]

Interesting thought, Gary.  I never thought of that, and it makes perfect 
sense.Thanks for the insightful idea.Bruce Sent from Samsung tablet.
 Original message From: Gary Russell via CnC-List 
 Date: 3/23/20  4:04 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: C List 
 Cc: Gary Russell  Subject: Re: 
Stus-List Fuel Pickup on 37+/40 I won't be the first time that a dip tube got 
perforated due to corrosion.GaryS/V Kaylarah'90 C 37+East Greenwich, RI, 
USA~~~_/)~~On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 3:21 PM Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List 
 wrote:Same thing for mine - there is no rubber tube in 
my tank.  Any chance your gauge is off?  Bruce Whitmore1994 C 37/40+ 
"Astralis"Madeira Beach, FL (847) 404-5092 (mobile)bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net






On Monday, March 23, 2020, 2:59:14 PM EDT, Ken Heaton via 
CnC-List  wrote:



Ours doesn't have a hose on the bottom of the dip tube, just 
the metal dip tube.Ken H.On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 at 15:50, Tom Buscaglia via 
CnC-List  wrote:

Does anyone know if there is a hose or extension on the fuel
pickup on the 37+/40?  My 40G tank started running out at
~25g.  One of the guys from the yard said that some pickups have a
length of hose on the lower end.  If there is and it fell of, that
would explain it.
thx
Tom B

.¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤.
Tom & Lynn Buscaglia
SV Alera
C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
(206) 463-9200
www.sv-alera.com




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Re: Stus-List Fuel Pickup on 37+/40

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

I've had mine out.  It is as simple as unscrewing the fitting coming off
the top of the tank.  It was just a straight translucent white plastic tube
extending down about 11.5 inches from the top plain of the tank.  The end
is cut at a slight angle and there is no filter or screen.

What is your indication of "running out"?

My fuel gage stops responding at about 1/4 tank and I believe that the
level sensor arm is bottoming out on a tank baffle so as to prevent it from
lowering fully.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD



On Mon, Mar 23, 2020, 14:50 Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Does anyone know if there is a hose or extension on the fuel pickup on the
> 37+/40?  My 40G tank started running out at ~25g.  One of the guys from the
> yard said that some pickups have a length of hose on the lower end.  If
> there is and it fell of, that would explain it.
>
> thx
>
> Tom B
>
> .¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤.
> Tom & Lynn Buscaglia
> SV Alera
> C 37+/40
> Vashon Island WA
> (206) 463-9200
> www.sv-alera.com
>
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Re: Stus-List Fuel Pickup on 37+/40

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I had a fuel problem with Kaylarah that dogged me since I bought the boat.
The engine would run well for a while and then die.  I had all sorts of
experts give me all sorts of opinions, but the engine would die.  If I left
it off for a few hours it would start up fine and then after 15 minutes to
an hour later, it would die again.  Finally, I discovered the problem.  A
previous owner had the hose from the tank replaced after (I suspect) the
interior wall of the hose started to disintegrate from old age.  The
particles or rotted rubber got carried forward into the elbow at the input
to my Racor filter.  As more fuel was sucked into the filter the particle
of rubber compressed and eventually starved the filter.  When the engine
was shut off, the particles decompressed and allowed fuel to flow again
(for a while).  Then the process would repeat.  I discovered the problem by
accident when I installed a fuel squeeze bulb in the fuel line between the
tank and the Racor filter to simplifying bleeding the air out of the system
during the multiple disassemblies to diagnose the problem.  I found it
difficult to force fuel through the filter with the bulb and discovered the
pieces or rotted rubber during disassembly. I cleaned out the elbow and
never had trouble again.  Good luck.

Gary
S/V Kaylarah
'90 C 37+
East Greenwich, RI, USA
~~~_/)~~



On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 4:29 PM Charlie Nelson via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Often there is a screen at the bottom of the take-up tube (within the tube
> at its opening). This screen can get clogged and you are at empty no matter
> what the gauge or "...your lying eyes..." tell you!!
>
> Charlie Nelson
> 1995 C 36 XL/kcb
> Water Phantom
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Gary Russell via CnC-List 
> To: C List 
> Cc: Gary Russell 
> Sent: Mon, Mar 23, 2020 4:04 pm
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel Pickup on 37+/40
>
> I won't be the first time that a dip tube got perforated due to corrosion.
> Gary
> S/V Kaylarah
> '90 C 37+
> East Greenwich, RI, USA
> ~~~_/)~~
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 3:21 PM Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Same thing for mine - there is no rubber tube in my tank.
>
> Any chance your gauge is off?
>
> Bruce Whitmore
> 1994 C 37/40+ "Astralis"
> Madeira Beach, FL
> (847) 404-5092 (mobile)
> bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
>
>
> On Monday, March 23, 2020, 2:59:14 PM EDT, Ken Heaton via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>
> Ours doesn't have a hose on the bottom of the dip tube, just the metal dip
> tube.
>
> Ken H.
>
> On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 at 15:50, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know if there is a hose or extension on the fuel pickup on the
> 37+/40?  My 40G tank started running out at ~25g.  One of the guys from the
> yard said that some pickups have a length of hose on the lower end.  If
> there is and it fell of, that would explain it.
>
> thx
>
> Tom B
> .¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤.
> Tom & Lynn Buscaglia
> SV Alera
> C 37+/40
> Vashon Island WA
> (206) 463-9200
> www.sv-alera.com
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Re: Stus-List Fuel Pickup on 37+/40

[Charlie Nelson via CnC-List]

Often there is a screen at the bottom of the take-up tube (within the tube at 
its opening). This screen can get clogged and you are at empty no matter what 
the gauge or "...your lying eyes..." tell you!!
Charlie Nelson1995 C 36 XL/kcbWater Phantom


-Original Message-
From: Gary Russell via CnC-List 
To: C List 
Cc: Gary Russell 
Sent: Mon, Mar 23, 2020 4:04 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel Pickup on 37+/40

I won't be the first time that a dip tube got perforated due to 
corrosion.GaryS/V Kaylarah'90 C 37+East Greenwich, RI, USA
~~~_/)~~



On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 3:21 PM Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Same thing for mine - there is no rubber tube in my tank.  

Any chance your gauge is off?  

Bruce Whitmore
1994 C 37/40+ "Astralis"Madeira Beach, FL 
(847) 404-5092 (mobile)
bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
 

On Monday, March 23, 2020, 2:59:14 PM EDT, Ken Heaton via CnC-List 
 wrote:  
 
 Ours doesn't have a hose on the bottom of the dip tube, just the metal dip 
tube.
Ken H.
On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 at 15:50, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Does anyone know if there is a hose or extension on the fuelpickup on the 
37+/40?  My 40G tank started running out at~25g.  One of the guys from the yard 
said that some pickups have alength of hose on the lower end.  If there is and 
it fell of, thatwould explain it.

thx

Tom B
.¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤.
Tom & Lynn Buscaglia
SV Alera
C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
(206) 463-9200
www.sv-alera.com


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Re: Stus-List Fuel Pickup on 37+/40

[Gary Russell via CnC-List]

I won't be the first time that a dip tube got perforated due to corrosion.
Gary
S/V Kaylarah
'90 C 37+
East Greenwich, RI, USA
~~~_/)~~



On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 3:21 PM Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Same thing for mine - there is no rubber tube in my tank.
>
> Any chance your gauge is off?
>
> Bruce Whitmore
> 1994 C 37/40+ "Astralis"
> Madeira Beach, FL
> (847) 404-5092 (mobile)
> bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
>
>
> On Monday, March 23, 2020, 2:59:14 PM EDT, Ken Heaton via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>
> Ours doesn't have a hose on the bottom of the dip tube, just the metal dip
> tube.
>
> Ken H.
>
> On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 at 15:50, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know if there is a hose or extension on the fuel pickup on the
> 37+/40?  My 40G tank started running out at ~25g.  One of the guys from the
> yard said that some pickups have a length of hose on the lower end.  If
> there is and it fell of, that would explain it.
>
> thx
>
> Tom B
>
> .¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤.
> Tom & Lynn Buscaglia
> SV Alera
> C 37+/40
> Vashon Island WA
> (206) 463-9200
> www.sv-alera.com
>
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Re: Stus-List Fuel Pickup on 37+/40

[Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List]

Same thing for mine - there is no rubber tube in my tank.  

Any chance your gauge is off?  

Bruce Whitmore
1994 C 37/40+ "Astralis"Madeira Beach, FL 
(847) 404-5092 (mobile)
bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
 

On Monday, March 23, 2020, 2:59:14 PM EDT, Ken Heaton via CnC-List 
 wrote:  
 
 Ours doesn't have a hose on the bottom of the dip tube, just the metal dip 
tube.
Ken H.
On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 at 15:50, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Does anyone know if there is a hose or extension on the fuelpickup on the 
37+/40?  My 40G tank started running out at~25g.  One of the guys from the yard 
said that some pickups have alength of hose on the lower end.  If there is and 
it fell of, thatwould explain it.

thx

Tom B

.¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤.
Tom & Lynn Buscaglia
SV Alera
C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA

(206) 463-9200
www.sv-alera.com


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Re: Stus-List Fuel Pickup on 37+/40

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

Ours doesn't have a hose on the bottom of the dip tube, just the metal dip
tube.

Ken H.

On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 at 15:50, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Does anyone know if there is a hose or extension on the fuel pickup on the
> 37+/40?  My 40G tank started running out at ~25g.  One of the guys from the
> yard said that some pickups have a length of hose on the lower end.  If
> there is and it fell of, that would explain it.
>
> thx
>
> Tom B
>
> .¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤.
> Tom & Lynn Buscaglia
> SV Alera
> C 37+/40
> Vashon Island WA
> (206) 463-9200
> www.sv-alera.com
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Re: Stus-List Fuel Pickup on 37+/40

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Tom,

Having replaced my sender unit not too long ago, I did not see any hoses in 
there. 



All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL

Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 











On Mar 23, 2020, at 2:49 PM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List  
wrote:

Does anyone know if there is a hose or extension on the fuel pickup on the 
37+/40?  My 40G tank started running out at ~25g.  One of the guys from the 
yard said that some pickups have a length of hose on the lower end.  If there 
is and it fell of, that would explain it.

thx

Tom B
.¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤.
Tom & Lynn Buscaglia
SV Alera
C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
(206) 463-9200
www.sv-alera.com  



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Stus-List Fuel Pickup on 37+/40

[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

Does anyone know if there is a hose or extension 
on the fuel pickup on the 37+/40?  My 40G tank 
started running out at ~25g.  One of the guys 
from the yard said that some pickups have a 
length of hose on the lower end.  If there is and 
it fell of, that would explain it.


thx

Tom B

.¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤.
Tom & Lynn Buscaglia
SV Alera
C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
(206) 463-9200
www.sv-alera.com


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Re: Stus-List Fuel guage issue

[Donald Kern via CnC-List]

Mine fell apart as you described.  Burnished the top edge and epoxy the 
face back on a couple of years ago. Still holding together and operating.

Don Kern
Fireball C 35 mk2

On 1/15/2020 5:22 PM, Richard Bush via CnC-List wrote:
Hi all; I took the gauge panel apart to see why the fuel gauge wasn't 
working; when I checked the connections, it worked fine; however, when 
I went to put everything back together, the front
piece of the fuel gauge, (clear plastic, within a black plastic ring) 
came off of the whole assembly and I cannot find a way to re-connect 
it; there are no screw spirals, or tabs or anything, I believe it 
simply broke off;


I checked the Yanmar Operation Manual and the Yanmar parts catalogue 
and neither even mentions a fuel gauge;


the boat is 1985 37;
Engine is Yanmar, model 3HMF, 3-cylinder; original to boat;

So, what say ye...is it repairable, or should I look for a new 
gauge..and if so, what kind


Thank you in advance, and please let me know if you need more info...

Richard
s/v Bushmark4; 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596;


Richard N. Bush Law Offices
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
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Re: Stus-List Fuel guage issue

[bwhitmore via CnC-List]

I replaced ours with one from West Marine due to being an a bit of a rush to 
get it fixed.  I could have ordered a similar one online for less.  Pretty 
cheap and it measures fine despite cautions online about having to match sender 
impedance.They really are pretty standard units.Bruce Whitmore1994 C 
37/40+"Astralis"Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
 Original message From: Richard Bush via CnC-List 
 Date: 1/15/20  5:22 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Richard Bush  Subject: Re: 
Stus-List Fuel guage issue 

 Hi all; I took the gauge panel apart to see why the fuel gauge wasn't working; 
when I checked the connections, it worked fine; however, when I went to put 
everything back together, the front 


 piece of the fuel gauge, (clear plastic, within a black plastic ring) came off 
of the whole assembly and I cannot find a way to re-connect it; there are no 
screw spirals, or tabs or anything, I believe it simply broke off;




I checked the Yanmar Operation Manual and the Yanmar parts catalogue and 
neither even mentions a fuel gauge;




the boat is 1985 37;

Engine is Yanmar, model 3HMF, 3-cylinder; original to boat;




So, what say ye...is it repairable, or should I look for a new gauge..and if 
so, what kind




Thank you in advance, and please let me know if you need more info...






Richard

 

s/v Bushmark4; 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596;








Richard N. Bush Law Offices 


2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine 


Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 


502-584-7255


 



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Re: Stus-List Fuel guage issue

[Richard Bush via CnC-List]

 Hi all; I took the gauge panel apart to see why the fuel gauge wasn't working; 
when I checked the connections, it worked fine; however, when I went to put 
everything back together, the front 
 piece of the fuel gauge, (clear plastic, within a black plastic ring) came off 
of the whole assembly and I cannot find a way to re-connect it; there are no 
screw spirals, or tabs or anything, I believe it simply broke off;
I checked the Yanmar Operation Manual and the Yanmar parts catalogue and 
neither even mentions a fuel gauge;
the boat is 1985 37;Engine is Yanmar, model 3HMF, 3-cylinder; original to boat;
So, what say ye...is it repairable, or should I look for a new gauge..and if 
so, what kind
Thank you in advance, and please let me know if you need more info...

Richard
 s/v Bushmark4; 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596;


Richard N. Bush Law Offices 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine 
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255 

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Re: Stus-List Fuel filter vacuum gauge(s)

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Jump to time 2:15
https://youtu.be/H-GI38vE4hQ

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Thu, Nov 14, 2019, 5:49 PM Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I mentioned a while back that adding a vacuum gauge to my fuel filter was
> on my list.  Not an emergency, but just something that will give me a bit
> more piece of mind.
>
> I understand that I should tee in between the Racor and the lift pump, and
> any significant vacuum would mean the Racor is getting clogged.
>
> However, is there a way to also plumb in a gauge to know the condition of
> the the primary filter on the engine as well?  It occurred to me that since
> the line leading into the primary filter on the engine would be under
> pressure from the lift pump, a vacuum gauge wouldn't work.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Bruce Whitmore
> C 37/40+
> "Astralis"
> Madeira Beach, FL
> (847) 404-5092 (mobile)
> bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
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Re: Stus-List Fuel filter vacuum gauge(s)

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

I believe you are right, but this is confusing to me as the Primary is the 
(first) filter between the lift pump and the tank, and the secondary is under 
pressure after the lift pump. 

Got me interested, I found this,

https://books.google.com/books?id=vHI__6p_uxQC 
<https://books.google.com/books?id=vHI__6p_uxQC=PA146=PA146=secondary+filter+gauge=bl=2XrLgc30QZ=ACfU3U0rAWI6VQoGFsYnBTciGpMUnhCLJg=en=X=2ahUKEwiIqJKf9erlAhVFVd8KHfIrA1IQ6AEwEHoECAgQAQ#v=onepage=secondary%20filter%20gauge=false>
 
=PA146=PA146=secondary+filter+gauge=bl=2XrLgc30QZ=ACfU3U0rAWI6VQoGFsYnBTciGpMUnhCLJg=en=X=2ahUKEwiIqJKf9erlAhVFVd8KHfIrA1IQ6AEwEHoECAgQAQ#v=onepage=secondary%20filter%20gauge=false

 and it seems you would need a pressure gauge, but not sure of the range. You 
could certainly T something in.  

 However in some 30 years, I have never had a secondary filter clog. I think I 
may have preventively  replaced a couple, but mostly the primaries,  where all 
the crap ends up.

This article makes an interesting point, that putting too fine a micron on your 
primary can destroy your lift pump. 

I think Andy alluded to only using 20 or 30 microns as the primary a bit ago.

 

Bill Coleman

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bruce 
Whitmore via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 6:48 PM
To: C List
Cc: Bruce Whitmore
Subject: Stus-List Fuel filter vacuum gauge(s)

 

Hello all,

 

I mentioned a while back that adding a vacuum gauge to my fuel filter was on my 
list.  Not an emergency, but just something that will give me a bit more piece 
of mind.

 

I understand that I should tee in between the Racor and the lift pump, and any 
significant vacuum would mean the Racor is getting clogged.  

 

However, is there a way to also plumb in a gauge to know the condition of the 
the primary filter on the engine as well?  It occurred to me that since the 
line leading into the primary filter on the engine would be under pressure from 
the lift pump, a vacuum gauge wouldn't work.  

 

Thoughts?

 

Bruce Whitmore

C 37/40+

"Astralis"

Madeira Beach, FL

(847) 404-5092 (mobile)
bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net

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Stus-List Fuel filter vacuum gauge(s)

[Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List]

Hello all,
I mentioned a while back that adding a vacuum gauge to my fuel filter was on my 
list.  Not an emergency, but just something that will give me a bit more piece 
of mind.
I understand that I should tee in between the Racor and the lift pump, and any 
significant vacuum would mean the Racor is getting clogged.  

However, is there a way to also plumb in a gauge to know the condition of the 
the primary filter on the engine as well?  It occurred to me that since the 
line leading into the primary filter on the engine would be under pressure from 
the lift pump, a vacuum gauge wouldn't work.  

Thoughts?

Bruce Whitmore
C 37/40+"Astralis"Madeira Beach, FL
(847) 404-5092 (mobile)
bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
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Re: Stus-List Fuel Mystery

[David Miles via CnC-List]

Hi Tom,
Is it possible that the tank has a few gallons of microbial growth 
(bacterial and fungus) that gas created clumps/sludge on the bottom of the 
tank taking up good fuel space?
Be careful using a bio ide, as a friend told me he did this and a few weeks 
later while returning through Active pass in choppy seas, some clumps 
blocked his fuel filter. Fortunately he had previously installed a parallel 
filter, and a quick flip of a switch to the backup fuel filter got the 
engine running again with no other problems.

Good luck.
David Miles
Impulse 1998 C 30MK2
On October 30, 2019 11:47:45 Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List 
 wrote:
I have a puzzle.  I was on my way to fill up last trip out for a nice 
weekend rendezvous with out club when I ran out of fuel.  Fortunately, I 
was close enough to our club in the inner harbor.  I dropped the dinghy and 
ran to shore to get a gerry can of diesel.  When I finally got to the gas 
dock in Tacoma she only took 24.5 G of diesel.  I made sure that the filler 
tube was open and even intentionally overfilled it to make sure the vent 
was clear (than god for my catch can!)  I made sure the tank was topped off.


I have never trusted by gauge as it would show empty when there was 1/2 a 
tank left.  I used to chart all time and distance religiously in my old 
boat and did the same on Alera initially.  Then I realized that unlike out 
old 35 MK1 Alera had a functioning Hobbes meter.  So over the last few 
seasons I got lax and instead of copious logging I just take a picture of 
the Hobbes meter at every fill up.  Made sense and eliminated the problem 
of accounting for sailing time on long runs.  Based on the Hobbes meter 
reading from the last fill up the engine ran 26 hrs.  Very consistent with 
my established burn rate of 0.9 GpHr.


I started to suspect that maybe the PO had replaced the original 40G tank 
with a smaller one.  However, when I checked my log book I have had several 
occasions where the fill up was more than30G..  Not many, but more than one 
or two over the 25G mark.


The rancor is clean and aside from need to bleed the system down to the 
injectors to get her started after the stall out, no air leaks in the fuel 
system.  Motoring in flat seas, so sloshing fuel is not it either.


Have at it C sleuths...I am at a loss.


Tom B


.¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤.
Tom & Lynn Buscaglia
SV Alera
C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
(206) 463-9200
www.sv-alera.com




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Re: Stus-List Fuel Mystery

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The inner and outer liners of fill hose on Touche' when I bought it were
separated.  The outer liner was bulged out.  Could be just as true that
your inner liner is bulged inward.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 5:05 PM Alan Liles via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> This year my tank started to fill rather slowly. Trying to fill faster
> resulted in fuel backing up in the hose. I haven’t gotten to it yet but
> I’ll replace the fill and vent hoses to see if that cures it.
>
> Al Liles
> SV Elendil
> C 37/40
> Vancouver BC
>
>
> On Oct 30, 2019, at 1:37 PM, Ken Heaton via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> The bottom of our tank is not flat, it slopes downhill a bit toward the
> pickup tube at the front so boat trim would have to change a lot to affect
> this (on our 37/40).
>
> I can confirm I have put up to 44 US Gallons in our tank when it was
> completely empty.
>
> On your tank, does your pickup tube end far short of the bottom somehow?
> Ours is quite close to the bottom so we depend on the Racor to separate the
> crap and water out that would be left on the bottom of the tank by a
> shorter pickup tube.
>
> Ken H.
>
> On Wed, 30 Oct 2019 at 16:10, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> The pickup tube is near the forward part of the tank.  Have you done
>> anything to change the pitch of the boat?  If you removed bow weight or
>> added stern weight or both, this could change the pitch such that fuel
>> collects further from the pickup tube.
>>
>> Josh Muckley
>> S/V Sea Hawk
>> 1989 C 37+
>> Solomons, MD
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 30, 2019, 2:47 PM Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I have a puzzle.  I was on my way to fill up last trip out for a nice
>>> weekend rendezvous with out club when I ran out of fuel.  Fortunately, I
>>> was close enough to our club in the inner harbor.  I dropped the dinghy and
>>> ran to shore to get a gerry can of diesel.  When I finally got to the gas
>>> dock in Tacoma she only took 24.5 G of diesel.  I made sure that the filler
>>> tube was open and even intentionally overfilled it to make sure the vent
>>> was clear (than god for my catch can!)  I made sure the tank was topped off.
>>>
>>> I have never trusted by gauge as it would show empty when there was 1/2
>>> a tank left.  I used to chart all time and distance religiously in my old
>>> boat and did the same on Alera initially.  Then I realized that unlike out
>>> old 35 MK1 Alera had a functioning Hobbes meter.  So over the last few
>>> seasons I got lax and instead of copious logging I just take a picture of
>>> the Hobbes meter at every fill up.  Made sense and eliminated the problem
>>> of accounting for sailing time on long runs.  Based on the Hobbes meter
>>> reading from the last fill up the engine ran 26 hrs.  Very consistent with
>>> my established burn rate of 0.9 GpHr.
>>>
>>> I started to suspect that maybe the PO had replaced the original 40G
>>> tank with a smaller one.  However, when I checked my log book I have had
>>> several occasions where the fill up was more than30G..  Not many, but more
>>> than one or two over the 25G mark.
>>>
>>> The rancor is clean and aside from need to bleed the system down to the
>>> injectors to get her started after the stall out, no air leaks in the fuel
>>> system.  Motoring in flat seas, so sloshing fuel is not it either.
>>>
>>> Have at it C sleuths...I am at a loss.
>>>
>>>
>>> Tom B
>>>
>>> .¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤.
>>> Tom & Lynn Buscaglia
>>> SV Alera
>>> C 37+/40
>>> Vashon Island WA
>>> (206) 463-9200
>>> www.sv-alera.com
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>> On Wed, Oct 30, 2019, 2:47 PM Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I have a puzzle.  I was on my way to fill up last trip out for a nice
>>> weekend rendezvous with out club when I ran out of fuel.  Fortunately, I
>>> was close enough to our club in the inner harbor.  I dropped the dinghy and
>>> ran to shore to get a gerry can of diesel.  When I finally got to the gas
>>> dock in Tacoma she only took 24.5 G of diesel.  I made sure that the filler
>>> tube was open and even intentionally overfilled it to make sure the vent
>>> was clear (than god for my catch can!)  I made sure the tank was topped off.
>>>
>>> I have never trusted by gauge as it would show empty when there was 1/2
>>> a tank left.  I used to chart all time and distance religiously in my old
>>> boat and did the same on Alera initially.  Then I realized that unlike out
>>> old 35 MK1 Alera had a functioning Hobbes meter.  So over the last few
>>> seasons I got lax and instead of copious logging I just take a picture 

Stus-List Fuel Mystery

[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

Al

I had the same thing happen earlier i the 
year.  It turned out the the fuel dock had 
recently installed new high volume pumps, I 
assume to speed up filling larges motor yachts, 
and that, not the fill tube was the issue.  You 
may want to check that before you start tearing out things.


Tom B

.¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤.
Tom & Lynn Buscaglia
SV Alera
C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
(206) 463-9200
www.sv-alera.com


At 03:05 PM 10/30/2019, you wrote:

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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 15:04:18 -0700
From: Alan Liles 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel Mystery
Message-ID: <1f0857e9-92c1-4dbd-9258-4cb89016b...@gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

This year my tank started to fill rather slowly. 
Trying to fill faster resulted in fuel backing 
up in the hose. I haven?t gotten to it yet but 
I?ll replace the fill and vent hoses to see if that cures it.


Al Liles
SV Elendil
C 37/40


.¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤.
Tom & Lynn Buscaglia
SV Alera
C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
(206) 463-9200
www.sv-alera.com


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[Alan Liles via CnC-List]

This year my tank started to fill rather slowly. Trying to fill faster resulted 
in fuel backing up in the hose. I haven’t gotten to it yet but I’ll replace the 
fill and vent hoses to see if that cures it. 

Al Liles
SV Elendil 
C 37/40
Vancouver BC


> On Oct 30, 2019, at 1:37 PM, Ken Heaton via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> The bottom of our tank is not flat, it slopes downhill a bit toward the 
> pickup tube at the front so boat trim would have to change a lot to affect 
> this (on our 37/40).
> 
> I can confirm I have put up to 44 US Gallons in our tank when it was 
> completely empty.
> 
> On your tank, does your pickup tube end far short of the bottom somehow?  
> Ours is quite close to the bottom so we depend on the Racor to separate the 
> crap and water out that would be left on the bottom of the tank by a shorter 
> pickup tube.
> 
> Ken H.
> 
> On Wed, 30 Oct 2019 at 16:10, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
>> The pickup tube is near the forward part of the tank.  Have you done 
>> anything to change the pitch of the boat?  If you removed bow weight or 
>> added stern weight or both, this could change the pitch such that fuel 
>> collects further from the pickup tube.
>> 
>> Josh Muckley
>> S/V Sea Hawk 
>> 1989 C 37+
>> Solomons, MD 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wed, Oct 30, 2019, 2:47 PM Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> I have a puzzle.  I was on my way to fill up last trip out for a nice 
>>> weekend rendezvous with out club when I ran out of fuel.  Fortunately, I 
>>> was close enough to our club in the inner harbor.  I dropped the dinghy and 
>>> ran to shore to get a gerry can of diesel.  When I finally got to the gas 
>>> dock in Tacoma she only took 24.5 G of diesel.  I made sure that the filler 
>>> tube was open and even intentionally overfilled it to make sure the vent 
>>> was clear (than god for my catch can!)  I made sure the tank was topped off.
>>> 
>>> I have never trusted by gauge as it would show empty when there was 1/2 a 
>>> tank left.  I used to chart all time and distance religiously in my old 
>>> boat and did the same on Alera initially.  Then I realized that unlike out 
>>> old 35 MK1 Alera had a functioning Hobbes meter.  So over the last few 
>>> seasons I got lax and instead of copious logging I just take a picture of 
>>> the Hobbes meter at every fill up.  Made sense and eliminated the problem 
>>> of accounting for sailing time on long runs.  Based on the Hobbes meter 
>>> reading from the last fill up the engine ran 26 hrs.  Very consistent with 
>>> my established burn rate of 0.9 GpHr. 
>>> 
>>> I started to suspect that maybe the PO had replaced the original 40G tank 
>>> with a smaller one.  However, when I checked my log book I have had several 
>>> occasions where the fill up was more than30G..  Not many, but more than one 
>>> or two over the 25G mark.
>>> 
>>> The rancor is clean and aside from need to bleed the system down to the 
>>> injectors to get her started after the stall out, no air leaks in the fuel 
>>> system.  Motoring in flat seas, so sloshing fuel is not it either.
>>> 
>>> Have at it C sleuths...I am at a loss.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tom B
>>> .¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤.
>>> Tom & Lynn Buscaglia
>>> SV Alera
>>> C 37+/40
>>> Vashon Island WA
>>> (206) 463-9200
>>> www.sv-alera.com 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use 
>>> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>>> 
>> 
>>> On Wed, Oct 30, 2019, 2:47 PM Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> I have a puzzle.  I was on my way to fill up last trip out for a nice 
>>> weekend rendezvous with out club when I ran out of fuel.  Fortunately, I 
>>> was close enough to our club in the inner harbor.  I dropped the dinghy and 
>>> ran to shore to get a gerry can of diesel.  When I finally got to the gas 
>>> dock in Tacoma she only took 24.5 G of diesel.  I made sure that the filler 
>>> tube was open and even intentionally overfilled it to make sure the vent 
>>> was clear (than god for my catch can!)  I made sure the tank was topped off.
>>> 
>>> I have never trusted by gauge as it would show empty when there was 1/2 a 
>>> tank left.  I used to chart all time and distance religiously in my old 
>>> boat and did the same on Alera initially.  Then I realized that unlike out 
>>> old 35 MK1 Alera had a functioning Hobbes meter.  So over the last few 
>>> seasons I got lax and instead of copious logging I just take a picture of 
>>> the Hobbes meter at every fill up.  Made sense and eliminated the problem 
>>> of accounting for sailing time on long runs.  Based on the Hobbes meter 
>>> reading from the last fill up the engine ran 26 hrs.  Very consistent with 
>>> my established burn rate of 0.9 GpHr. 
>>> 
>>> I started to suspect that maybe the PO had replaced the 

Re: Stus-List Fuel Mystery

[Charlie Nelson via CnC-List]

My pick-up tube had a screen near its end near the tank bottom. 
This screen got plugged up with ‘stuff’ after a few years of boat ownership and 
it cost me a weekend in a yard and a few boat bucks before the yard realized it 
was there. Of course before they knew of its existence they had swapped out 
most of the fuel system and attempted to deliver the boat to me when it lost 
power again. That is when they found the screen!
Cut the POS away and problem was eliminated—who knew!!
Might be worth a look on your boat—don’t think you can see it or do anything 
about it (if it’s there) without removing the pick-up tube from the tank.
Charlie NelsonWater Phantom

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 On Wednesday, October 30, 2019, Ken Heaton via CnC-List 
 wrote:

The bottom of our tank is not flat, it slopes downhill a bit toward the pickup 
tube at the front so boat trim would have to change a lot to affect this (on 
our 37/40).

I can confirm I have put up to 44 US Gallons in our tank when it was completely 
empty.
On your tank, does your pickup tube end far short of the bottom somehow?  Ours 
is quite close to the bottom so we depend on the Racor to separate the crap and 
water out that would be left on the bottom of the tank by a shorter pickup tube.
Ken H.
On Wed, 30 Oct 2019 at 16:10, Josh Muckley via CnC-List  
wrote:

The pickup tube is near the forward part of the tank.  Have you done anything 
to change the pitch of the boat?  If you removed bow weight or added stern 
weight or both, this could change the pitch such that fuel collects further 
from the pickup tube.
Josh MuckleyS/V Sea Hawk 1989 C 37+Solomons, MD 



On Wed, Oct 30, 2019, 2:47 PM Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List 
 wrote:

I have a puzzle.  I was on my way to fill up last tripout for a nice weekend 
rendezvous with out club when I ran out offuel.  Fortunately, I was close 
enough to our club in the innerharbor.  I dropped the dinghy and ran to shore 
to get a gerry can ofdiesel.  When I finally got to the gas dock in Tacoma she 
only took24.5 G of diesel.  I made sure that the filler tube was open andeven 
intentionally overfilled it to make sure the vent was clear (thangod for my 
catch can!)  I made sure the tank was toppedoff.

I have never trusted by gauge as it would show empty when there was 1/2 atank 
left.  I used to chart all time and distance religiously in myold boat and did 
the same on Alera initially.  Then I realized thatunlike out old 35 MK1 Alera 
had a functioning Hobbes meter.  So overthe last few seasons I got lax and 
instead of copious logging I just takea picture of the Hobbes meter at every 
fill up.  Made sense andeliminated the problem of accounting for sailing time 
on long runs. Based on the Hobbes meter reading from the last fill up the 
engine ran 26hrs.  Very consistent with my established burn rate of 0.9 GpHr.

I started to suspect that maybe the PO had replaced the original 40G tankwith a 
smaller one.  However, when I checked my log book I have hadseveral occasions 
where the fill up was more than30G..  Not many,but more than one or two over 
the 25G mark.

The rancor is clean and aside from need to bleed the system down to 
theinjectors to get her started after the stall out, no air leaks in thefuel 
system.  Motoring in flat seas, so sloshing fuel is not iteither.

Have at it C sleuths...I am at a loss.


Tom B

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SV Alera
C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
(206) 463-9200
www.sv-alera.com



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On Wed, Oct 30, 2019, 2:47 PM Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List 
 wrote:

I have a puzzle.  I was on my way to fill up last tripout for a nice weekend 
rendezvous with out club when I ran out offuel.  Fortunately, I was close 
enough to our club in the innerharbor.  I dropped the dinghy and ran to shore 
to get a gerry can ofdiesel.  When I finally got to the gas dock in Tacoma she 
only took24.5 G of diesel.  I made sure that the filler tube was open andeven 
intentionally overfilled it to make sure the vent was clear (thangod for my 
catch can!)  I made sure the tank was toppedoff.

I have never trusted by gauge as it would show empty when there was 1/2 atank 
left.  I used to chart all time and distance religiously in myold boat and did 
the same on Alera initially.  Then I realized thatunlike out old 35 MK1 Alera 
had a functioning Hobbes meter.  So overthe last few seasons I got lax and 
instead of copious logging I just takea picture of the Hobbes meter at every 
fill up.  Made sense andeliminated the problem of accounting for sailing time 
on long runs. Based on the Hobbes meter reading from the last fill up the 
engine ran 26hrs.  Very consistent with my established burn 

Re: Stus-List Fuel Mystery

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

The bottom of our tank is not flat, it slopes downhill a bit toward the
pickup tube at the front so boat trim would have to change a lot to affect
this (on our 37/40).

I can confirm I have put up to 44 US Gallons in our tank when it was
completely empty.

On your tank, does your pickup tube end far short of the bottom somehow?
Ours is quite close to the bottom so we depend on the Racor to separate the
crap and water out that would be left on the bottom of the tank by a
shorter pickup tube.

Ken H.

On Wed, 30 Oct 2019 at 16:10, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> The pickup tube is near the forward part of the tank.  Have you done
> anything to change the pitch of the boat?  If you removed bow weight or
> added stern weight or both, this could change the pitch such that fuel
> collects further from the pickup tube.
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 30, 2019, 2:47 PM Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> I have a puzzle.  I was on my way to fill up last trip out for a nice
>> weekend rendezvous with out club when I ran out of fuel.  Fortunately, I
>> was close enough to our club in the inner harbor.  I dropped the dinghy and
>> ran to shore to get a gerry can of diesel.  When I finally got to the gas
>> dock in Tacoma she only took 24.5 G of diesel.  I made sure that the filler
>> tube was open and even intentionally overfilled it to make sure the vent
>> was clear (than god for my catch can!)  I made sure the tank was topped off.
>>
>> I have never trusted by gauge as it would show empty when there was 1/2 a
>> tank left.  I used to chart all time and distance religiously in my old
>> boat and did the same on Alera initially.  Then I realized that unlike out
>> old 35 MK1 Alera had a functioning Hobbes meter.  So over the last few
>> seasons I got lax and instead of copious logging I just take a picture of
>> the Hobbes meter at every fill up.  Made sense and eliminated the problem
>> of accounting for sailing time on long runs.  Based on the Hobbes meter
>> reading from the last fill up the engine ran 26 hrs.  Very consistent with
>> my established burn rate of 0.9 GpHr.
>>
>> I started to suspect that maybe the PO had replaced the original 40G tank
>> with a smaller one.  However, when I checked my log book I have had several
>> occasions where the fill up was more than30G..  Not many, but more than one
>> or two over the 25G mark.
>>
>> The rancor is clean and aside from need to bleed the system down to the
>> injectors to get her started after the stall out, no air leaks in the fuel
>> system.  Motoring in flat seas, so sloshing fuel is not it either.
>>
>> Have at it C sleuths...I am at a loss.
>>
>>
>> Tom B
>>
>> .¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤.
>> Tom & Lynn Buscaglia
>> SV Alera
>> C 37+/40
>> Vashon Island WA
>> (206) 463-9200
>> www.sv-alera.com
>>
>>
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> On Wed, Oct 30, 2019, 2:47 PM Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> I have a puzzle.  I was on my way to fill up last trip out for a nice
>> weekend rendezvous with out club when I ran out of fuel.  Fortunately, I
>> was close enough to our club in the inner harbor.  I dropped the dinghy and
>> ran to shore to get a gerry can of diesel.  When I finally got to the gas
>> dock in Tacoma she only took 24.5 G of diesel.  I made sure that the filler
>> tube was open and even intentionally overfilled it to make sure the vent
>> was clear (than god for my catch can!)  I made sure the tank was topped off.
>>
>> I have never trusted by gauge as it would show empty when there was 1/2 a
>> tank left.  I used to chart all time and distance religiously in my old
>> boat and did the same on Alera initially.  Then I realized that unlike out
>> old 35 MK1 Alera had a functioning Hobbes meter.  So over the last few
>> seasons I got lax and instead of copious logging I just take a picture of
>> the Hobbes meter at every fill up.  Made sense and eliminated the problem
>> of accounting for sailing time on long runs.  Based on the Hobbes meter
>> reading from the last fill up the engine ran 26 hrs.  Very consistent with
>> my established burn rate of 0.9 GpHr.
>>
>> I started to suspect that maybe the PO had replaced the original 40G tank
>> with a smaller one.  However, when I checked my log book I have had several
>> occasions where the fill up was more than30G..  Not many, but more than one
>> or two over the 25G mark.
>>
>> The rancor is clean and aside from need to bleed the system down to the
>> injectors to get her started after the stall out, no air leaks in the fuel
>> system.  Motoring in flat seas, so sloshing fuel is not it either.
>>
>> Have 

Re: Stus-List Fuel Mystery

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

The pickup tube is near the forward part of the tank.  Have you done
anything to change the pitch of the boat?  If you removed bow weight or
added stern weight or both, this could change the pitch such that fuel
collects further from the pickup tube.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD




On Wed, Oct 30, 2019, 2:47 PM Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I have a puzzle.  I was on my way to fill up last trip out for a nice
> weekend rendezvous with out club when I ran out of fuel.  Fortunately, I
> was close enough to our club in the inner harbor.  I dropped the dinghy and
> ran to shore to get a gerry can of diesel.  When I finally got to the gas
> dock in Tacoma she only took 24.5 G of diesel.  I made sure that the filler
> tube was open and even intentionally overfilled it to make sure the vent
> was clear (than god for my catch can!)  I made sure the tank was topped off.
>
> I have never trusted by gauge as it would show empty when there was 1/2 a
> tank left.  I used to chart all time and distance religiously in my old
> boat and did the same on Alera initially.  Then I realized that unlike out
> old 35 MK1 Alera had a functioning Hobbes meter.  So over the last few
> seasons I got lax and instead of copious logging I just take a picture of
> the Hobbes meter at every fill up.  Made sense and eliminated the problem
> of accounting for sailing time on long runs.  Based on the Hobbes meter
> reading from the last fill up the engine ran 26 hrs.  Very consistent with
> my established burn rate of 0.9 GpHr.
>
> I started to suspect that maybe the PO had replaced the original 40G tank
> with a smaller one.  However, when I checked my log book I have had several
> occasions where the fill up was more than30G..  Not many, but more than one
> or two over the 25G mark.
>
> The rancor is clean and aside from need to bleed the system down to the
> injectors to get her started after the stall out, no air leaks in the fuel
> system.  Motoring in flat seas, so sloshing fuel is not it either.
>
> Have at it C sleuths...I am at a loss.
>
>
> Tom B
>
> .¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤.
> Tom & Lynn Buscaglia
> SV Alera
> C 37+/40
> Vashon Island WA
> (206) 463-9200
> www.sv-alera.com
>
>
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> and every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list -
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>
On Wed, Oct 30, 2019, 2:47 PM Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I have a puzzle.  I was on my way to fill up last trip out for a nice
> weekend rendezvous with out club when I ran out of fuel.  Fortunately, I
> was close enough to our club in the inner harbor.  I dropped the dinghy and
> ran to shore to get a gerry can of diesel.  When I finally got to the gas
> dock in Tacoma she only took 24.5 G of diesel.  I made sure that the filler
> tube was open and even intentionally overfilled it to make sure the vent
> was clear (than god for my catch can!)  I made sure the tank was topped off.
>
> I have never trusted by gauge as it would show empty when there was 1/2 a
> tank left.  I used to chart all time and distance religiously in my old
> boat and did the same on Alera initially.  Then I realized that unlike out
> old 35 MK1 Alera had a functioning Hobbes meter.  So over the last few
> seasons I got lax and instead of copious logging I just take a picture of
> the Hobbes meter at every fill up.  Made sense and eliminated the problem
> of accounting for sailing time on long runs.  Based on the Hobbes meter
> reading from the last fill up the engine ran 26 hrs.  Very consistent with
> my established burn rate of 0.9 GpHr.
>
> I started to suspect that maybe the PO had replaced the original 40G tank
> with a smaller one.  However, when I checked my log book I have had several
> occasions where the fill up was more than30G..  Not many, but more than one
> or two over the 25G mark.
>
> The rancor is clean and aside from need to bleed the system down to the
> injectors to get her started after the stall out, no air leaks in the fuel
> system.  Motoring in flat seas, so sloshing fuel is not it either.
>
> Have at it C sleuths...I am at a loss.
>
>
> Tom B
>
> .¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤.
> Tom & Lynn Buscaglia
> SV Alera
> C 37+/40
> Vashon Island WA
> (206) 463-9200
> www.sv-alera.com
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Fuel Mystery

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Tom,

When I put fuel into the Enterprise (insert dilithium crystal / antimatter joke 
here), I often have to go very slow as the fill will back up if I go quickly, 
giving me a false impression that the tank was full. Could that be it?

Also, is there any chance that the boat has a bit of a heel when fueling this 
time? I think, but not sure, the fill is on the starboard side of the tank. if 
the boat is heeled at all to starboard, the port side of the tank would have 
some air left in it.  

These are just guesses as I am also at a loss, and my usual solution to engine 
problems is “get the jib out.” 

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
Venice Yacht Club | Venice, FL

Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 











On Oct 30, 2019, at 2:47 PM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List  
wrote:

I have a puzzle.  I was on my way to fill up last trip out for a nice weekend 
rendezvous with out club when I ran out of fuel.  Fortunately, I was close 
enough to our club in the inner harbor.  I dropped the dinghy and ran to shore 
to get a gerry can of diesel.  When I finally got to the gas dock in Tacoma she 
only took 24.5 G of diesel.  I made sure that the filler tube was open and even 
intentionally overfilled it to make sure the vent was clear (than god for my 
catch can!)  I made sure the tank was topped off.

I have never trusted by gauge as it would show empty when there was 1/2 a tank 
left.  I used to chart all time and distance religiously in my old boat and did 
the same on Alera initially.  Then I realized that unlike out old 35 MK1 Alera 
had a functioning Hobbes meter.  So over the last few seasons I got lax and 
instead of copious logging I just take a picture of the Hobbes meter at every 
fill up.  Made sense and eliminated the problem of accounting for sailing time 
on long runs.  Based on the Hobbes meter reading from the last fill up the 
engine ran 26 hrs.  Very consistent with my established burn rate of 0.9 GpHr. 

I started to suspect that maybe the PO had replaced the original 40G tank with 
a smaller one.  However, when I checked my log book I have had several 
occasions where the fill up was more than30G..  Not many, but more than one or 
two over the 25G mark.

The rancor is clean and aside from need to bleed the system down to the 
injectors to get her started after the stall out, no air leaks in the fuel 
system.  Motoring in flat seas, so sloshing fuel is not it either.

Have at it C sleuths...I am at a loss.


Tom B
.¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤.
Tom & Lynn Buscaglia
SV Alera
C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
(206) 463-9200
www.sv-alera.com  



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Stus-List Fuel Mystery

[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

I have a puzzle.  I was on my way to fill up last 
trip out for a nice weekend rendezvous with out 
club when I ran out of fuel.  Fortunately, I was 
close enough to our club in the inner harbor.  I 
dropped the dinghy and ran to shore to get a 
gerry can of diesel.  When I finally got to the 
gas dock in Tacoma she only took 24.5 G of 
diesel.  I made sure that the filler tube was 
open and even intentionally overfilled it to make 
sure the vent was clear (than god for my catch 
can!)  I made sure the tank was topped off.


I have never trusted by gauge as it would show 
empty when there was 1/2 a tank left.  I used to 
chart all time and distance religiously in my old 
boat and did the same on Alera initially.  Then I 
realized that unlike out old 35 MK1 Alera had a 
functioning Hobbes meter.  So over the last few 
seasons I got lax and instead of copious logging 
I just take a picture of the Hobbes meter at 
every fill up.  Made sense and eliminated the 
problem of accounting for sailing time on long 
runs.  Based on the Hobbes meter reading from the 
last fill up the engine ran 26 hrs.  Very 
consistent with my established burn rate of 0.9 GpHr.


I started to suspect that maybe the PO had 
replaced the original 40G tank with a smaller 
one.  However, when I checked my log book I have 
had several occasions where the fill up was more 
than30G..  Not many, but more than one or two over the 25G mark.


The rancor is clean and aside from need to bleed 
the system down to the injectors to get her 
started after the stall out, no air leaks in the 
fuel system.  Motoring in flat seas, so sloshing fuel is not it either.


Have at it C sleuths...I am at a loss.


Tom B

.¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤.
Tom & Lynn Buscaglia
SV Alera
C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
(206) 463-9200
www.sv-alera.com


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Re: Stus-List Fuel filter maintenance stories

[Paul Fountain via CnC-List]

Or an oil extractor?

From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of ALAN BERGEN via 
CnC-List
Sent: May 29, 2019 6:13 PM
To: C 
Cc: ALAN BERGEN 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel filter maintenance stories

Will a Shop Vac work?

On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 8:59 AM Charlie Nelson via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Speaking of fuel issues, I recently drained my Racor MA 500 (?) fuel/water 
separator and replaced the filter element. The bottom of the bowl had what 
looks like several black 'balls' in it about 1/2" in diameter which do not fit 
thru the drain.

I have no clue what they are but guess maybe some compound made from diesel 
fuel (or contaminants within it). Without disassembling the unit, I don't know 
how to get them out or dissolved or whether I need to. This Racor is almost 
impossible to reach in my engine compartment so whatever I do will be a PITA.

Any suggestions on what to do--if anything?

Charlie Nelson
Water Phantom
1995 C 36 XL/kcb


-Original Message-
From: Dennis C. via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
To: CnClist mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Dennis C. mailto:capt...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Wed, May 29, 2019 11:15 am
Subject: Stus-List Fuel filter maintenance stories
I was on the pier couple weeks ago when a neighbor boat owner told me he was 
coming in off the lake and couldn't get full rpm on his diesel.  He asked if I 
thought it could be the fuel filter being blinded.  I said yes and asked when 
was the last time he changed the element.  His reply?  35 years!

I  asked if he knew where it was.  :)  He did.  It was an old Perko 209.  
Google it for a picture.

We couldn't remove the screw on top with it in the boat.  The entire unit 
twisted and it started coming off the bulkhead.  We removed the unit to the 
dock and used a large wrenches to take it apart.  Inside was a ceramic 
permanent element.  I was unbelievably plugged up.  About 1/8 inch of crud all 
around it.  I told him to go get a can of carburetor cleaner  and clean it.  
Took him a few applications of the cleaner but it cleaned up.  Reinstalled it 
and diesel runs fine.

On the other hand, I had to change the fuel filter element on Touche' this 
weekend on the way to Pensacola.  I have vacuum gauge on it.  It started easing 
into the red.  There was only 100 hours on it.  The previous element lasted 
over 400 hours.  Very strange.  I had just removed the fuel tank couple months 
ago and the fuel looked very clean.

You just don't know.  A batch of bad fuel perhaps?

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List Fuel filter maintenance stories

[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

Will a Shop Vac work?

On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 8:59 AM Charlie Nelson via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Speaking of fuel issues, I recently drained my Racor MA 500 (?) fuel/water
> separator and replaced the filter element. The bottom of the bowl had what
> looks like several black 'balls' in it about 1/2" in diameter which do not
> fit thru the drain.
>
> I have no clue what they are but guess maybe some compound made from
> diesel fuel (or contaminants within it). Without disassembling the unit, I
> don't know how to get them out or dissolved or whether I need to. This
> Racor is almost impossible to reach in my engine compartment so whatever I
> do will be a PITA.
>
> Any suggestions on what to do--if anything?
>
> Charlie Nelson
> Water Phantom
> 1995 C 36 XL/kcb
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dennis C. via CnC-List 
> To: CnClist 
> Cc: Dennis C. 
> Sent: Wed, May 29, 2019 11:15 am
> Subject: Stus-List Fuel filter maintenance stories
>
> I was on the pier couple weeks ago when a neighbor boat owner told me he
> was coming in off the lake and couldn't get full rpm on his diesel.  He
> asked if I thought it could be the fuel filter being blinded.  I said yes
> and asked when was the last time he changed the element.  His reply?  35
> years!
>
> I  asked if he knew where it was.  :)  He did.  It was an old Perko 209.
> Google it for a picture.
>
> We couldn't remove the screw on top with it in the boat.  The entire unit
> twisted and it started coming off the bulkhead.  We removed the unit to the
> dock and used a large wrenches to take it apart.  Inside was a ceramic
> permanent element.  I was unbelievably plugged up.  About 1/8 inch of crud
> all around it.  I told him to go get a can of carburetor cleaner  and clean
> it.  Took him a few applications of the cleaner but it cleaned up.
> Reinstalled it and diesel runs fine.
>
> On the other hand, I had to change the fuel filter element on Touche' this
> weekend on the way to Pensacola.  I have vacuum gauge on it.  It started
> easing into the red.  There was only 100 hours on it.  The previous element
> lasted over 400 hours.  Very strange.  I had just removed the fuel tank
> couple months ago and the fuel looked very clean.
>
> You just don't know.  A batch of bad fuel perhaps?
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List Fuel filter maintenance stories

[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

My previous boat with an A4 engine would slow down or stall, when running
at full throttle. When i backed off on the throttle, the engine ran fine.
Problem turned out to be a clogged filter on the end of the pickup tube.
Cleaned it out, and the engine ran fine after that. Did C put filters on
the end of the pickup tube? Are they put only on gas engines?

Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose city YC
Portland, OR

On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 8:15 AM Dennis C. via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I was on the pier couple weeks ago when a neighbor boat owner told me he
> was coming in off the lake and couldn't get full rpm on his diesel.  He
> asked if I thought it could be the fuel filter being blinded.  I said yes
> and asked when was the last time he changed the element.  His reply?  35
> years!
>
> I  asked if he knew where it was.  :)  He did.  It was an old Perko 209.
> Google it for a picture.
>
> We couldn't remove the screw on top with it in the boat.  The entire unit
> twisted and it started coming off the bulkhead.  We removed the unit to the
> dock and used a large wrenches to take it apart.  Inside was a ceramic
> permanent element.  I was unbelievably plugged up.  About 1/8 inch of crud
> all around it.  I told him to go get a can of carburetor cleaner  and clean
> it.  Took him a few applications of the cleaner but it cleaned up.
> Reinstalled it and diesel runs fine.
>
> On the other hand, I had to change the fuel filter element on Touche' this
> weekend on the way to Pensacola.  I have vacuum gauge on it.  It started
> easing into the red.  There was only 100 hours on it.  The previous element
> lasted over 400 hours.  Very strange.  I had just removed the fuel tank
> couple months ago and the fuel looked very clean.
>
> You just don't know.  A batch of bad fuel perhaps?
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List Fuel filter maintenance stories

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

That sounds like the little tar-balls that BP made by the billions in the gulf.

Maybe they will dissolve over time.

 

Bill Coleman

C 39 Erie, PA

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Charlie 
Nelson via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2019 11:59 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: cenel...@aol.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel filter maintenance stories

 

Speaking of fuel issues, I recently drained my Racor MA 500 (?) fuel/water 
separator and replaced the filter element. The bottom of the bowl had what 
looks like several black 'balls' in it about 1/2" in diameter which do not fit 
thru the drain. 

 

I have no clue what they are but guess maybe some compound made from diesel 
fuel (or contaminants within it). Without disassembling the unit, I don't know 
how to get them out or dissolved or whether I need to. This Racor is almost 
impossible to reach in my engine compartment so whatever I do will be a PITA.

 

Any suggestions on what to do--if anything?

 

Charlie Nelson

Water Phantom

1995 C 36 XL/kcb

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Dennis C. via CnC-List 
To: CnClist 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Sent: Wed, May 29, 2019 11:15 am
Subject: Stus-List Fuel filter maintenance stories

I was on the pier couple weeks ago when a neighbor boat owner told me he was 
coming in off the lake and couldn't get full rpm on his diesel.  He asked if I 
thought it could be the fuel filter being blinded.  I said yes and asked when 
was the last time he changed the element.  His reply?  35 years! 

 

I  asked if he knew where it was.  :)  He did.  It was an old Perko 209.  
Google it for a picture.

 

We couldn't remove the screw on top with it in the boat.  The entire unit 
twisted and it started coming off the bulkhead.  We removed the unit to the 
dock and used a large wrenches to take it apart.  Inside was a ceramic 
permanent element.  I was unbelievably plugged up.  About 1/8 inch of crud all 
around it.  I told him to go get a can of carburetor cleaner  and clean it.  
Took him a few applications of the cleaner but it cleaned up.  Reinstalled it 
and diesel runs fine.

 

On the other hand, I had to change the fuel filter element on Touche' this 
weekend on the way to Pensacola.  I have vacuum gauge on it.  It started easing 
into the red.  There was only 100 hours on it.  The previous element lasted 
over 400 hours.  Very strange.  I had just removed the fuel tank couple months 
ago and the fuel looked very clean.

 

You just don't know.  A batch of bad fuel perhaps?

 

Dennis C.

Touche' 35-1 #83

Mandeville, LA

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Re: Stus-List Fuel filter maintenance stories

[Charlie Nelson via CnC-List]

Speaking of fuel issues, I recently drained my Racor MA 500 (?) fuel/water 
separator and replaced the filter element. The bottom of the bowl had what 
looks like several black 'balls' in it about 1/2" in diameter which do not fit 
thru the drain.  I have no clue what they are but guess maybe some compound 
made from diesel fuel (or contaminants within it). Without disassembling the 
unit, I don't know how to get them out or dissolved or whether I need to. This 
Racor is almost impossible to reach in my engine compartment so whatever I do 
will be a PITA. Any suggestions on what to do--if anything? Charlie NelsonWater 
Phantom1995 C 36 XL/kcb  -Original Message-
From: Dennis C. via CnC-List 
To: CnClist 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Sent: Wed, May 29, 2019 11:15 am
Subject: Stus-List Fuel filter maintenance stories

I was on the pier couple weeks ago when a neighbor boat owner told me he was 
coming in off the lake and couldn't get full rpm on his diesel.  He asked if I 
thought it could be the fuel filter being blinded.  I said yes and asked when 
was the last time he changed the element.  His reply?  35 years!
I  asked if he knew where it was.  :)  He did.  It was an old Perko 209.  
Google it for a picture.
We couldn't remove the screw on top with it in the boat.  The entire unit 
twisted and it started coming off the bulkhead.  We removed the unit to the 
dock and used a large wrenches to take it apart.  Inside was a ceramic 
permanent element.  I was unbelievably plugged up.  About 1/8 inch of crud all 
around it.  I told him to go get a can of carburetor cleaner  and clean it.  
Took him a few applications of the cleaner but it cleaned up.  Reinstalled it 
and diesel runs fine.
On the other hand, I had to change the fuel filter element on Touche' this 
weekend on the way to Pensacola.  I have vacuum gauge on it.  It started easing 
into the red.  There was only 100 hours on it.  The previous element lasted 
over 400 hours.  Very strange.  I had just removed the fuel tank couple months 
ago and the fuel looked very clean.
You just don't know.  A batch of bad fuel perhaps?
Dennis C.Touche' 35-1 #83Mandeville, 
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[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

I was on the pier couple weeks ago when a neighbor boat owner told me he
was coming in off the lake and couldn't get full rpm on his diesel.  He
asked if I thought it could be the fuel filter being blinded.  I said yes
and asked when was the last time he changed the element.  His reply?  35
years!

I  asked if he knew where it was.  :)  He did.  It was an old Perko 209.
Google it for a picture.

We couldn't remove the screw on top with it in the boat.  The entire unit
twisted and it started coming off the bulkhead.  We removed the unit to the
dock and used a large wrenches to take it apart.  Inside was a ceramic
permanent element.  I was unbelievably plugged up.  About 1/8 inch of crud
all around it.  I told him to go get a can of carburetor cleaner  and clean
it.  Took him a few applications of the cleaner but it cleaned up.
Reinstalled it and diesel runs fine.

On the other hand, I had to change the fuel filter element on Touche' this
weekend on the way to Pensacola.  I have vacuum gauge on it.  It started
easing into the red.  There was only 100 hours on it.  The previous element
lasted over 400 hours.  Very strange.  I had just removed the fuel tank
couple months ago and the fuel looked very clean.

You just don't know.  A batch of bad fuel perhaps?

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List Fuel Tank Depth (C 37+)

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

11.5 inches - ish

Josh




On Mon, Mar 4, 2019, 2:45 PM Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Listers,
>
> Anyone know the fuel tank depth on a C 37+?
>
> I’m looking to replace my sending unit.
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
> ---
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> Captain of the Starship Enterprise
> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island Yacht Club | City Island, NY
> www.StarshipSailing.com
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Stus-List Fuel Tank Depth (C 37+)

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Listers,

Anyone know the fuel tank depth on a C 37+? 

I’m looking to replace my sending unit. 

All the best, 

Edd

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C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
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Stus-List Fuel Tank Support and Tie Down / Straps

[robert via CnC-List]

Brian:

J had a new bottom welded to my fuel tank last Fallsame issue as 
yours...pin hole leaks.  I cut some old battens for the tank to rest on.


The tank is held down by two (2) metal straps, approx. 1 1/2 inches 
wide, several feet long with holes in the straps to put your screws 
and/or nuts/bolts.   The back of the strap(s) is bolted to the aft 
bulkhead, comes up over the back of the tank and down the front and 
bolted to the front stringer.  The tank can't move side to side either 
as it fits into its wooden deck it sits on.


Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32- 84
Halifax, N.S.

On 2018-09-14 1:10 PM, Nauset Beach via CnC-List wrote:


A few weeks ago I discovered a diesel leak from the bottom of the tank 
– the tank had 2 areas of pitting and one was sufficiently deep to 
start leaking and warrant replacing the tank.  I now have the new AL 
tank and have a couple of questions about installing it:


The old tank was not strapped down and was resting directly on the 
ends of 2 stringers and the hull, surrounded on the sides [fairly 
tightly] by plywood.  This allowed the tank to shift slightly, more or 
less in place, which wore on the two end points of the stringers, and 
that is where corrosion developed and the leak occurred.  A while back 
someone (Rick Brass (?) who is probably a little busy with Florence at 
the moment) recommended glassing in old battens under the tank to 
reduce the opportunity for moisture to collect and corrosion to 
occur.  Last week Joe mentioned he used Dri-Dek.  Is there a consensus 
on how to best support a fuel tank?


The constant shifting of the tank was a contributing factor for the 
leak.  How do people tie down / strap AL diesel tanks?  There is not 
much that looks overly solid to which I can screw in hold downs, like 
those that come with this from Defender:


https://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?name=scepter-expandable-tank-hold-down-kit=-1|311|2349059|2349070=4201879 
 



And what to people use for straps?  Would this Sceptre product be an 
acceptable way to restrain the tank?


Any suggestions?

TIA,

Brian



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Re: Stus-List Fuel Tank Support and Tie Down / Straps

[Nauset Beach via CnC-List]

Doug, Rick, Gary,

 

Thanks for the suggestions.  Am going to the boat today to begin the install
and see if I can figure out a way to better brace the tank to reduce if not
eliminate any movement.  

 

Thanks, 

Brian

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gary
Nylander via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2018 1:27 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Gary Nylander 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel Tank Support and Tie Down / Straps

 

I went with a plastic tank and the original straps (shortened a bit). There
are small 1x1 'fences' around the tank on the platform and I shielded the
tank from the straps with some rubber strips.

Gary

 

From: CnC-List mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> > On Behalf Of Rick Brass via
CnC-List
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2018 1:12 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
Cc: Rick Brass mailto:rickbr...@earthlink.net> >
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel Tank Support and Tie Down / Straps

 

The tank in my 38 had similar pitting and a small leak. It was sitting on a
plywood platform aft of the engine and transmission (and pretty much over
the stuffing box).

 

When I replaced the tank, I put (5)  4"x4"x1/4" pads made from neoprene seal
bought at my local  Lowes. The tank is held in place by two wooden battens
over the top of the tank in an athwartship orientation. The battens are held
down by stainless rods attached to the support platform with washers and
wing nuts on top of the battens to tension the tank down on the rubber pads.

 

I suspect the idea of battens glassed in under that tank would work - after
all the idea is to allow air circulation so you don't get corrosion - so
long as you can keep the tank from shifting around as the boat moves.

 

Rick Brass

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Nauset
Beach via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2018 12:10 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
Cc: Nauset Beach mailto:nausetbe...@optonline.net> >
Subject: Stus-List Fuel Tank Support and Tie Down / Straps

 

A few weeks ago I discovered a diesel leak from the bottom of the tank - the
tank had 2 areas of pitting and one was sufficiently deep to start leaking
and warrant replacing the tank.  I now have the new AL tank and have a
couple of questions about installing it:  

 

The old tank was not strapped down and was resting directly on the ends of 2
stringers and the hull, surrounded on the sides [fairly tightly] by plywood.
This allowed the tank to shift slightly, more or less in place, which wore
on the two end points of the stringers, and that is where corrosion
developed and the leak occurred.  A while back someone (Rick Brass (?) who
is probably a little busy with Florence at the moment) recommended glassing
in old battens under the tank to reduce the opportunity for moisture to
collect and corrosion to occur.  Last week Joe mentioned he used Dri-Dek.
Is there a consensus on how to best support a fuel tank?  

 

The constant shifting of the tank was a contributing factor for the leak.
How do people tie down / strap AL diesel tanks?  There is not much that
looks overly solid to which I can screw in hold downs, like those that come
with this from Defender: 

 

 
https://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?name=scepter-expandable-tank-hold-down
-kit
<https://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?name=scepter-expandable-tank-hold-dow
n-kit=-1|311|2349059|2349070=4201879>
=-1|311|2349059|2349070=4201879  

 

And what to people use for straps?  Would this Sceptre product be an
acceptable way to restrain the tank?  

 

Any suggestions?  

 

TIA,

Brian

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Re: Stus-List Fuel Tank Support and Tie Down / Straps

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

I went with a plastic tank and the original straps (shortened a bit). There
are small 1x1 'fences' around the tank on the platform and I shielded the
tank from the straps with some rubber strips.

Gary

 

From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Rick Brass via
CnC-List
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2018 1:12 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Rick Brass 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel Tank Support and Tie Down / Straps

 

The tank in my 38 had similar pitting and a small leak. It was sitting on a
plywood platform aft of the engine and transmission (and pretty much over
the stuffing box).

 

When I replaced the tank, I put (5)  4"x4"x1/4" pads made from neoprene seal
bought at my local  Lowes. The tank is held in place by two wooden battens
over the top of the tank in an athwartship orientation. The battens are held
down by stainless rods attached to the support platform with washers and
wing nuts on top of the battens to tension the tank down on the rubber pads.

 

I suspect the idea of battens glassed in under that tank would work - after
all the idea is to allow air circulation so you don't get corrosion - so
long as you can keep the tank from shifting around as the boat moves.

 

Rick Brass

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Nauset
Beach via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2018 12:10 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
Cc: Nauset Beach mailto:nausetbe...@optonline.net> >
Subject: Stus-List Fuel Tank Support and Tie Down / Straps

 

A few weeks ago I discovered a diesel leak from the bottom of the tank - the
tank had 2 areas of pitting and one was sufficiently deep to start leaking
and warrant replacing the tank.  I now have the new AL tank and have a
couple of questions about installing it:  

 

The old tank was not strapped down and was resting directly on the ends of 2
stringers and the hull, surrounded on the sides [fairly tightly] by plywood.
This allowed the tank to shift slightly, more or less in place, which wore
on the two end points of the stringers, and that is where corrosion
developed and the leak occurred.  A while back someone (Rick Brass (?) who
is probably a little busy with Florence at the moment) recommended glassing
in old battens under the tank to reduce the opportunity for moisture to
collect and corrosion to occur.  Last week Joe mentioned he used Dri-Dek.
Is there a consensus on how to best support a fuel tank?  

 

The constant shifting of the tank was a contributing factor for the leak.
How do people tie down / strap AL diesel tanks?  There is not much that
looks overly solid to which I can screw in hold downs, like those that come
with this from Defender: 

 

 
https://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?name=scepter-expandable-tank-hold-down
-kit
<https://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?name=scepter-expandable-tank-hold-dow
n-kit=-1|311|2349059|2349070=4201879>
=-1|311|2349059|2349070=4201879  

 

And what to people use for straps?  Would this Sceptre product be an
acceptable way to restrain the tank?  

 

Any suggestions?  

 

TIA,

Brian

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Re: Stus-List Fuel Tank Support and Tie Down / Straps

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

The tank in my 38 had similar pitting and a small leak. It was sitting on a
plywood platform aft of the engine and transmission (and pretty much over
the stuffing box).

 

When I replaced the tank, I put (5)  4"x4"x1/4" pads made from neoprene seal
bought at my local  Lowes. The tank is held in place by two wooden battens
over the top of the tank in an athwartship orientation. The battens are held
down by stainless rods attached to the support platform with washers and
wing nuts on top of the battens to tension the tank down on the rubber pads.

 

I suspect the idea of battens glassed in under that tank would work - after
all the idea is to allow air circulation so you don't get corrosion - so
long as you can keep the tank from shifting around as the boat moves.

 

Rick Brass

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Nauset
Beach via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2018 12:10 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Nauset Beach 
Subject: Stus-List Fuel Tank Support and Tie Down / Straps

 

A few weeks ago I discovered a diesel leak from the bottom of the tank - the
tank had 2 areas of pitting and one was sufficiently deep to start leaking
and warrant replacing the tank.  I now have the new AL tank and have a
couple of questions about installing it:  

 

The old tank was not strapped down and was resting directly on the ends of 2
stringers and the hull, surrounded on the sides [fairly tightly] by plywood.
This allowed the tank to shift slightly, more or less in place, which wore
on the two end points of the stringers, and that is where corrosion
developed and the leak occurred.  A while back someone (Rick Brass (?) who
is probably a little busy with Florence at the moment) recommended glassing
in old battens under the tank to reduce the opportunity for moisture to
collect and corrosion to occur.  Last week Joe mentioned he used Dri-Dek.
Is there a consensus on how to best support a fuel tank?  

 

The constant shifting of the tank was a contributing factor for the leak.
How do people tie down / strap AL diesel tanks?  There is not much that
looks overly solid to which I can screw in hold downs, like those that come
with this from Defender: 

 

 
https://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?name=scepter-expandable-tank-hold-down
-kit
<https://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?name=scepter-expandable-tank-hold-dow
n-kit=-1|311|2349059|2349070=4201879>
=-1|311|2349059|2349070=4201879  

 

And what to people use for straps?  Would this Sceptre product be an
acceptable way to restrain the tank?  

 

Any suggestions?  

 

TIA,

Brian

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Re: Stus-List Fuel Tank Support and Tie Down / Straps

[Doug Mountjoy via CnC-List]

Brian,Those straps are for small tanks maybe 10 gal and under. Depends on how 
big your tank is. On my 39 the tanks are held in place by blocks of wood 
screwed to bulkheads. My tanks are all at least 30 gal. Hope this helps. Doug 


Doug Mountjoy Rebecca Leah LF39 Port Orchard YC, WA.


 Original message From: Nauset Beach via CnC-List 
 Date: 9/14/18  09:10  (GMT-08:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Nauset Beach  Subject: 
Stus-List Fuel Tank Support and Tie Down / Straps 
A few weeks ago I discovered a diesel leak from the bottom of the tank – the 
tank had 2 areas of pitting and one was sufficiently deep to start leaking and 
warrant replacing the tank.  I now have the new AL tank and have a couple of 
questions about installing it:   The old tank was not strapped down and was 
resting directly on the ends of 2 stringers and the hull, surrounded on the 
sides [fairly tightly] by plywood.  This allowed the tank to shift slightly, 
more or less in place, which wore on the two end points of the stringers, and 
that is where corrosion developed and the leak occurred.  A while back someone 
(Rick Brass (?) who is probably a little busy with Florence at the moment) 
recommended glassing in old battens under the tank to reduce the opportunity 
for moisture to collect and corrosion to occur.  Last week Joe mentioned he 
used Dri-Dek.  Is there a consensus on how to best support a fuel tank?   The 
constant shifting of the tank was a contributing factor for the leak.  How do 
people tie down / strap AL diesel tanks?  There is not much that looks overly 
solid to which I can screw in hold downs, like those that come with this from 
Defender:    
https://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?name=scepter-expandable-tank-hold-down-kit=-1|311|2349059|2349070=4201879
   And what to people use for straps?  Would this Sceptre product be an 
acceptable way to restrain the tank?   Any suggestions?   TIA,Brian___

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Stus-List Fuel Tank Support and Tie Down / Straps

[Nauset Beach via CnC-List]

A few weeks ago I discovered a diesel leak from the bottom of the tank - the
tank had 2 areas of pitting and one was sufficiently deep to start leaking
and warrant replacing the tank.  I now have the new AL tank and have a
couple of questions about installing it:  

 

The old tank was not strapped down and was resting directly on the ends of 2
stringers and the hull, surrounded on the sides [fairly tightly] by plywood.
This allowed the tank to shift slightly, more or less in place, which wore
on the two end points of the stringers, and that is where corrosion
developed and the leak occurred.  A while back someone (Rick Brass (?) who
is probably a little busy with Florence at the moment) recommended glassing
in old battens under the tank to reduce the opportunity for moisture to
collect and corrosion to occur.  Last week Joe mentioned he used Dri-Dek.
Is there a consensus on how to best support a fuel tank?  

 

The constant shifting of the tank was a contributing factor for the leak.
How do people tie down / strap AL diesel tanks?  There is not much that
looks overly solid to which I can screw in hold downs, like those that come
with this from Defender: 

 

 
https://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?name=scepter-expandable-tank-hold-down
-kit

=-1|311|2349059|2349070=4201879  

 

And what to people use for straps?  Would this Sceptre product be an
acceptable way to restrain the tank?  

 

Any suggestions?  

 

TIA,

Brian

___

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