Re: Stus-List GPS date rollover

[james via CnC-List]

My Garmin 76C handheld is fine.

James

Delaney 38-2

Oriental, NC


On 4/8/2019 4:19 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List wrote:

Well, yesterday was the rollover date for the GPS satellite system. Experts 
thought some older GPS units would not be able to handle the rollover.

I just fired up my old Garmin 128 (circa1999) fixed mount and Garmin 72 
handheld.  Both seem to be accurate.

If you have a vintage GPS I suggest you check it for accuracy before going 
sailing.

Dennis C.
Touché 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

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Stus-List GPS date rollover

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Well, yesterday was the rollover date for the GPS satellite system. Experts 
thought some older GPS units would not be able to handle the rollover. 

I just fired up my old Garmin 128 (circa1999) fixed mount and Garmin 72 
handheld.  Both seem to be accurate. 

If you have a vintage GPS I suggest you check it for accuracy before going 
sailing. 

Dennis C. 
Touché 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

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Re: Stus-List GPS mount swing arm

[John Conklin via CnC-List]

Any pics for this cool setup ?

John Conklin
South East Sales and Business Development
cel 301-412-8991
j.conk...@marraforni.com
www.marraforni.comwww.marraforni.com>


From: CnC-List  on behalf of Marek Dziedzic via 
CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 10:45:31 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Marek Dziedzic
Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS mount swing arm

I bit the bullet and bought the RAM mount.

It wasn’t that bad, though. I bought a 1” handlebar mount + a double socket arm 
($27 for the set) + round plate with ball ($15). The prices are current; I 
think I paid a bit less. So for $45 you have a very solid mount that attaches 
to the binnacle guard, swings away when needed, can be adjusted to see it from 
behind or in front of the wheel, and can be easily removed. The alternative was 
to install a Navpod for about 10x the cost. I am quite happy with what I got.

Marek

1994 C270 Legato
Ottawa, ON

From: Chris Graham via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 09:11
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Chris Graham
Subject: Stus-List GPS mount swing arm

Good morning!

Didn't know if any of you might have some suggestions for a good swing arm 
mount for my GPS chart plotter? I'm considering the RAM Mounts but boy are they 
expensive! Are there any other models out there that might be a bit more 
reasonable in price? The Rams do look quite sturdy and mounting them looks 
quite straight forward.

Chris
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Re: Stus-List Gps mount swing arm

[Don Harben via CnC-List]

Don

Don Harben

> On Nov 1, 2018, at 11:00 AM, Len Mitchell via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Chris, I have a swing arm in my box of boat hardware. I will pm a pic and if 
> you want to pay the shipping cost, it is yours! My plotter is permanently 
> mounted and I will never use it. 
> Len Mitchell 
> Crazy Legs
> Midland On
> 
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Re: Stus-List GPS mount swing arm

[Chris Graham via CnC-List]

Yes, that was my initial thought. I’ve got depth and speed on that side but I 
think I can squeeze the mount close to the companionway opening. I think the 
Ram is the way to go but they are a bit unsightly IMHO
I looked into some small monitor mounts at Walmart that might work 


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On Thursday, November 1, 2018, 1:58 PM, Jeremy Ralph via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Chris, I'd be careful with electronics being too close to a compass as that can 
cause deviation.  Could you mount on the starboard side, away from the compass? 
  -- Forwarded message --
From: Chris Graham 
To: 
Cc: 
Bcc: 
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2018 16:27:46 + (UTC)
Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS mount swing arm
Hi Jeremy!!
I have a Tiller. I was thinking port side as well. My compass is mounted on 
that side but that shouldn’t be an issue, correct?
Thanks for the pics! I’ll check them out now!
Chris 


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On Thursday, November 1, 2018, 12:22 PM, Jeremy Ralph via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Hi Chris,
Do you have a tiller or wheel?
For my tiller boat I put a beefy RAM Mount on the cockpit's port bulk head, 
replacing some old/broken instruments.  Some pics of the before and after here 
on this Flickr album:
https://flic.kr/s/aHsmuTuHzS

Cheers,  Jeremy


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Re: Stus-List GPS mount swing arm

[Jeremy Ralph via CnC-List]

Chris, I'd be careful with electronics being too close to a compass as that
can cause deviation.
Could you mount on the starboard side, away from the compass?

  -- Forwarded message --
From: Chris Graham 
To: 
Cc:
Bcc:
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2018 16:27:46 + (UTC)
Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS mount swing arm
Hi Jeremy!!

I have a Tiller. I was thinking port side as well. My compass is mounted on
that side but that shouldn’t be an issue, correct?

Thanks for the pics! I’ll check them out now!

Chris


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On Thursday, November 1, 2018, 12:22 PM, Jeremy Ralph via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

Hi Chris,

Do you have a tiller or wheel?

For my tiller boat I put a beefy RAM Mount on the cockpit's port bulk head,
replacing some old/broken instruments.  Some pics of the before and after
here on this Flickr album:

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmuTuHzS

Cheers,
  Jeremy
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Re: Stus-List GPS mount swing arm

[Chris Graham via CnC-List]

Hi Jeremy!!
I have a Tiller. I was thinking port side as well. My compass is mounted on 
that side but that shouldn’t be an issue, correct?
Thanks for the pics! I’ll check them out now!
Chris 


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On Thursday, November 1, 2018, 12:22 PM, Jeremy Ralph via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Hi Chris,
Do you have a tiller or wheel?
For my tiller boat I put a beefy RAM Mount on the cockpit's port bulk head, 
replacing some old/broken instruments.  Some pics of the before and after here 
on this Flickr album:
https://flic.kr/s/aHsmuTuHzS

Cheers,  Jeremy
  -- Forwarded message --
From: Chris Graham 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: 
Bcc: 
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2018 13:10:19 + (UTC)
Subject: Stus-List GPS mount swing arm
Good morning!
Didn't know if any of you might have some suggestions for a good swing arm 
mount for my GPS chart plotter? I'm considering the RAM Mounts but boy are they 
expensive! Are there any other models out there that might be a bit more 
reasonable in price? The Rams do look quite sturdy and mounting them looks 
quite straight forward.
Chris
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Stus-List GPS mount swing arm

[Jeremy Ralph via CnC-List]

Hi Chris,

Do you have a tiller or wheel?

For my tiller boat I put a beefy RAM Mount on the cockpit's port bulk head,
replacing some old/broken instruments.  Some pics of the before and after
here on this Flickr album:

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmuTuHzS

Cheers,
  Jeremy

  -- Forwarded message --
From: Chris Graham 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc:
Bcc:
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2018 13:10:19 + (UTC)
Subject: Stus-List GPS mount swing arm
Good morning!

Didn't know if any of you might have some suggestions for a good swing arm
mount for my GPS chart plotter? I'm considering the RAM Mounts but boy are
they expensive! Are there any other models out there that might be a bit
more reasonable in price? The Rams do look quite sturdy and mounting them
looks quite straight forward.

Chris
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Re: Stus-List Gps mount swing arm

[Chris Graham via CnC-List]

 Hi Len! I'm trying to figure out how that works...lolLooks damned solid 
though!!
Chris 
On Thursday, November 1, 2018, 11:01:34 AM EDT, Len Mitchell via CnC-List 
 wrote:  
 
 Chris, I have a swing arm in my box of boat hardware. I will pm a pic and if 
you want to pay the shipping cost, it is yours! My plotter is permanently 
mounted and I will never use it. 
Len Mitchell 
Crazy Legs
Midland On

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Chris, I have a swing arm in my box of boat hardware. I will pm a pic and if 
you want to pay the shipping cost, it is yours! My plotter is permanently 
mounted and I will never use it. 
Len Mitchell 
Crazy Legs
Midland On

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[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

I bit the bullet and bought the RAM mount.

It wasn’t that bad, though. I bought a 1” handlebar mount + a double socket arm 
($27 for the set) + round plate with ball ($15). The prices are current; I 
think I paid a bit less. So for $45 you have a very solid mount that attaches 
to the binnacle guard, swings away when needed, can be adjusted to see it from 
behind or in front of the wheel, and can be easily removed. The alternative was 
to install a Navpod for about 10x the cost. I am quite happy with what I got.

Marek

1994 C270 Legato
Ottawa, ON

From: Chris Graham via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 09:11
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Chris Graham
Subject: Stus-List GPS mount swing arm

Good morning!

Didn't know if any of you might have some suggestions for a good swing arm 
mount for my GPS chart plotter? I'm considering the RAM Mounts but boy are they 
expensive! Are there any other models out there that might be a bit more 
reasonable in price? The Rams do look quite sturdy and mounting them looks 
quite straight forward.

Chris
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[Chris Graham via CnC-List]

Good morning!
Didn't know if any of you might have some suggestions for a good swing arm 
mount for my GPS chart plotter? I'm considering the RAM Mounts but boy are they 
expensive! Are there any other models out there that might be a bit more 
reasonable in price? The Rams do look quite sturdy and mounting them looks 
quite straight forward.
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Stus-List GPS option

[Doug Ellmore via CnC-List]

I saw a post about GPS options just to collect data. Here is another
option:

https://www.byonics.com/products

I have used the bionics GPS with my Kenwood APRS enabled VHF HT for ham
radio applications.

However, for my C 24, I will be using my Garmin GPSMap78sc connected to
my new Raymarine ST1000Plus.  It should allow me to take on other tasks
easily shorthanded sailing, as well as, use course mark in the CHESSS
division races either single or doublehanded.  It would have been nice
during the 2017 Governors Cup sailing doublehanded overnight 20 hrs.  I
spent all but 30 min on the tiller.

1976 C 24 - s/v Red Sky

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Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

I also have an e7D.  When I'm in the Bay that's all thats on board besides
my phone.  Offshore I add an iPad and laptop running OpenCPN with a GPS
dongle.  I have a RAM mount for the iPad at the helm so it can be swiveled
towards the skipper.  There is a charging port designed for motorcycles on
the binnacle guard to charge the iPad.

If there is a thunderstorm, the iPad, handheld VHF and phone go in the
microwave to protect them from lightning.  Redunduncy is good!

Joel

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On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 3:14 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I have a Raymarine e7D plotter at the helm and find it very useful; easy
> to read and fairly intuitive to operate. One thing I really like is that it
> transmits via wifi, so at the nav station I keep a first or second
> generation iPad Velcro-ed to the nav station bulkhead as a repeater. It's
> truly an elegant solution as I can look at and control wind instruments,
> radar, or charts on it. I can use my current iPad for a separate charting
> app while I have the radar on the other one. Now my nav desk is clear and
> tidy.
> For what it's worth, when I was growing up sailing the Strait of Juan de
> Fuca, Puget Sound, and the Gulf of Georgia we didn't have GPS, Loran, or
> any fancy new-fangled nav gear. We navigated using bearings and steering
> compass courses while paying rapt attention to current tables. I think it
> is a good idea to master these skills before you start relying on the
> glowing screen to keep you out of trouble.
>
> Andy
> C 40
> Peregrine
>
> Andrew Burton
> 61 W Narragansett
> Newport, RI
> USA02840
>
> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
> +401 965-5260
>
> On Sep 19, 2017, at 14:51, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> wrote:
>
> Matthew
>
>
>
> Exactly.  You have several other devices in conjunction with your iPad.
> Your decision to use an iPad at helm is no different than mine to use a
> Garmin at helm.  Both can stop working at any time which is why you have
> redundant systems and why we all keep paper charts on hand as well.
>
>
>
> It would also be foolish to use just a hardwired chartplotter for
> everything.  What if there is an electrical system failure on board?
>   Lightning strike?  An inadvertent elbow that smashes screen, etc…   In my
> case that would be two chart plotters immediately dead.  I guess my point
> is that when we rely on one single piece of electronic equipment we are not
> being safe.  I would guess that you likely also have a compass, paper
> charts and all the normal stuff as well when you are going anywhere
>
>
>
> I have an acquaintance who is a Yacht Master.  Has Captains ticket and
> Pilots license. He uses iPad for all of that and teaches how to.  I doubt
> that means he does not have other redundant systems as well
>
>
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
> <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>] *On Behalf Of *Matthew L. Wolford via
> CnC-List
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 19, 2017 3:39 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Matthew L. Wolford
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is
> none
>
>
>
> With all due respect, my “foolish” approach has worked for several years
> without incident.  I have several Garmin GPS units on board for back up,
> but I haven’t had the need to consult them as yet.
>
>
>
> I guess Lake Erie is just really easy to navigate.
>
>
>
> *From:* Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 19, 2017 2:24 PM
>
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>
> *Cc:* Hoyt, Mike <mike.h...@impgroup.com>
>
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is
> none
>
>
>
> “I did not want to invest in an expensive nav system only to discover
> that it is obsolete by the time I hook it up. “
>
>
>
> Of course the life of an iPad is only 3-4 years and tablets and computers
> become obsolete faster than marine equipment.
>
>
>
> Yes I also have Navionics on by MS Surface tablet.  I like to use it at
> chart table and at home for charting courses.  Is nce to be able to expand
> the screen to follow your route to make sure you aren’t plotting over an
> island, etc …  Also a big enough screen to see and not as huge as the paper
> charts that overwhelm the surface of my chart table.  The best

Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

I have a Raymarine e7D plotter at the helm and find it very useful; easy to 
read and fairly intuitive to operate. One thing I really like is that it 
transmits via wifi, so at the nav station I keep a first or second generation 
iPad Velcro-ed to the nav station bulkhead as a repeater. It's truly an elegant 
solution as I can look at and control wind instruments, radar, or charts on it. 
I can use my current iPad for a separate charting app while I have the radar on 
the other one. Now my nav desk is clear and tidy. 
For what it's worth, when I was growing up sailing the Strait of Juan de Fuca, 
Puget Sound, and the Gulf of Georgia we didn't have GPS, Loran, or any fancy 
new-fangled nav gear. We navigated using bearings and steering compass courses 
while paying rapt attention to current tables. I think it is a good idea to 
master these skills before you start relying on the glowing screen to keep you 
out of trouble.

Andy
C 40
Peregrine

Andrew Burton
61 W Narragansett
Newport, RI 
USA02840

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260

> On Sep 19, 2017, at 14:51, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Matthew
>  
> Exactly.  You have several other devices in conjunction with your iPad.  Your 
> decision to use an iPad at helm is no different than mine to use a Garmin at 
> helm.  Both can stop working at any time which is why you have redundant 
> systems and why we all keep paper charts on hand as well.
>  
> It would also be foolish to use just a hardwired chartplotter for everything. 
>  What if there is an electrical system failure on board?   Lightning strike?  
> An inadvertent elbow that smashes screen, etc…   In my case that would be two 
> chart plotters immediately dead.  I guess my point is that when we rely on 
> one single piece of electronic equipment we are not being safe.  I would 
> guess that you likely also have a compass, paper charts and all the normal 
> stuff as well when you are going anywhere
>  
> I have an acquaintance who is a Yacht Master.  Has Captains ticket and Pilots 
> license. He uses iPad for all of that and teaches how to.  I doubt that means 
> he does not have other redundant systems as well
>  
> Mike
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Matthew L. 
> Wolford via CnC-List
> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 3:39 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Matthew L. Wolford
> Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none
>  
> With all due respect, my “foolish” approach has worked for several years 
> without incident.  I have several Garmin GPS units on board for back up, but 
> I haven’t had the need to consult them as yet.
>  
> I guess Lake Erie is just really easy to navigate.
>  
> From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List
> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 2:24 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Hoyt, Mike
> Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none
>  
> “I did not want to invest in an expensive nav system only to discover that it 
> is obsolete by the time I hook it up. “
>  
> Of course the life of an iPad is only 3-4 years and tablets and computers 
> become obsolete faster than marine equipment.
>  
> Yes I also have Navionics on by MS Surface tablet.  I like to use it at chart 
> table and at home for charting courses.  Is nce to be able to expand the 
> screen to follow your route to make sure you aren’t plotting over an island, 
> etc …  Also a big enough screen to see and not as huge as the paper charts 
> that overwhelm the surface of my chart table.  The best thing about the 
> Navionics tablet option is that it is much easier to bring to my living room 
> before my trip than the cockpit or nav station of my boat!
>  
> I still love the Garmin GPSMAP 740 at our helm.  It is now as old as the 
> first iPad (that is no longer used or usable and just as relevant as a new 
> Navionics / iPad solution.  I don’t even think it costs twice what an iPad 
> costs either.  My 0.02 dollars are that using a tablet as the primary 
> navigation tool is a bit foolish but as a tool to augment charts and other 
> devices is a great option.  You can also take your tablet when you charter a 
> boat or are on someone else’s boat which is also nice.
>  
> So much for “PLODDING”.  That is what we do when there is no wind
>  
> Mike
> Persistence
> Halifax
>  
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Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Matthew

Exactly.  You have several other devices in conjunction with your iPad.  Your 
decision to use an iPad at helm is no different than mine to use a Garmin at 
helm.  Both can stop working at any time which is why you have redundant 
systems and why we all keep paper charts on hand as well.

It would also be foolish to use just a hardwired chartplotter for everything.  
What if there is an electrical system failure on board?   Lightning strike?  An 
inadvertent elbow that smashes screen, etc…   In my case that would be two 
chart plotters immediately dead.  I guess my point is that when we rely on one 
single piece of electronic equipment we are not being safe.  I would guess that 
you likely also have a compass, paper charts and all the normal stuff as well 
when you are going anywhere

I have an acquaintance who is a Yacht Master.  Has Captains ticket and Pilots 
license. He uses iPad for all of that and teaches how to.  I doubt that means 
he does not have other redundant systems as well

Mike

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Matthew L. 
Wolford via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 3:39 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Matthew L. Wolford
Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

With all due respect, my “foolish” approach has worked for several years 
without incident.  I have several Garmin GPS units on board for back up, but I 
haven’t had the need to consult them as yet.

I guess Lake Erie is just really easy to navigate.

From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 2:24 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Hoyt, Mike<mailto:mike.h...@impgroup.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

“I did not want to invest in an expensive nav system only to discover that it 
is obsolete by the time I hook it up. “

Of course the life of an iPad is only 3-4 years and tablets and computers 
become obsolete faster than marine equipment.

Yes I also have Navionics on by MS Surface tablet.  I like to use it at chart 
table and at home for charting courses.  Is nce to be able to expand the screen 
to follow your route to make sure you aren’t plotting over an island, etc …  
Also a big enough screen to see and not as huge as the paper charts that 
overwhelm the surface of my chart table.  The best thing about the Navionics 
tablet option is that it is much easier to bring to my living room before my 
trip than the cockpit or nav station of my boat!

I still love the Garmin GPSMAP 740 at our helm.  It is now as old as the first 
iPad (that is no longer used or usable and just as relevant as a new Navionics 
/ iPad solution.  I don’t even think it costs twice what an iPad costs either.  
My 0.02 dollars are that using a tablet as the primary navigation tool is a bit 
foolish but as a tool to augment charts and other devices is a great option.  
You can also take your tablet when you charter a boat or are on someone else’s 
boat which is also nice.

So much for “PLODDING”.  That is what we do when there is no wind

Mike
Persistence
Halifax

Our thoughts are with those facing yet another monster storm
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Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

With all due respect, my “foolish” approach has worked for several years 
without incident.  I have several Garmin GPS units on board for back up, but I 
haven’t had the need to consult them as yet.

I guess Lake Erie is just really easy to navigate.

From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 2:24 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Hoyt, Mike 
Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

“I did not want to invest in an expensive nav system only to discover that it 
is obsolete by the time I hook it up. “

 

Of course the life of an iPad is only 3-4 years and tablets and computers 
become obsolete faster than marine equipment.

 

Yes I also have Navionics on by MS Surface tablet.  I like to use it at chart 
table and at home for charting courses.  Is nce to be able to expand the screen 
to follow your route to make sure you aren’t plotting over an island, etc …  
Also a big enough screen to see and not as huge as the paper charts that 
overwhelm the surface of my chart table.  The best thing about the Navionics 
tablet option is that it is much easier to bring to my living room before my 
trip than the cockpit or nav station of my boat!

 

I still love the Garmin GPSMAP 740 at our helm.  It is now as old as the first 
iPad (that is no longer used or usable and just as relevant as a new Navionics 
/ iPad solution.  I don’t even think it costs twice what an iPad costs either.  
My 0.02 dollars are that using a tablet as the primary navigation tool is a bit 
foolish but as a tool to augment charts and other devices is a great option.  
You can also take your tablet when you charter a boat or are on someone else’s 
boat which is also nice.

 

So much for “PLODDING”.  That is what we do when there is no wind

 

Mike

Persistence

Halifax

 

Our thoughts are with those facing yet another monster storm

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Matthew L. 
Wolford via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 1:35 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Matthew L. Wolford
Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

 

FWIW, for most navigating on our boat (Lake Erie), I use Navionics on an iPad, 
which is in a waterproof case and mounted with a RAM mount to the steering 
pedestal.  Power use is an issue, so I have two power packs for when the 
battery is low.  (I could wire a charge cord to the iPad mount, but this has 
not been necessary.)  When the iPad nearly runs out of juice (about 3 or 4 
hours), I plug in a powerpack.  That gets me about 3 more hours, which is 
usually enough for the type of sailing/distance racing that we do.  If not, I 
have a second power pack, which can be used while the first one is recharging.

 

The reasons I went this route are: 1) ease of use; and 2) technology changes so 
fast any more that I did not want to invest in an expensive nav system only to 
discover that it is obsolete by the time I hook it up.  (I still have a Loran 
unit in my basement.)

 

The system is simple, but it works fine for me.  I don’t use autopilot, which 
would obviously make a big difference.

 

From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 

Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 9:07 AM

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 

Cc: Della Barba, Joe 

Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

 

I’ll expand on my earlier post a bit, since I have one of each:

1.   The phone. This is CHEAP and good. I like the Navionics charts and 
their nav program is very easy to use. I can see no reason NOT to have it 
unless you don’t have a phone. That said, there is no way I would ever trust a 
phone as a primary nav instrument. The battery gets eaten fast using this app, 
it is hard to read in sunlight, it is not waterproof, it is not designed to be 
wet and banged around, and you can always get a phone call right in the middle 
of navigating the narrow rocks passage or maybe some IOS update will kick off. 
You are of course limited by screen size and feeding AIS or instrument data 
into a phone takes some doing.

2.   OpenCPN. My favorite by far. It is an excellent program, charts are 
free, and nothing beats a nice 15 inch color display. I feed AIS info into this 
program and it is very useful with changeable CPA alerts. Radar overlay is 
possible. What I don’t like is all about the PC: It is not marine gear and 
cannot get wet. It sits below out of the sun, wind, and rain where I can’t see 
it from the helm. The current draw is 2x-4x higher than a dedicated plotter. 
Depending on your IT skills, you have some exposure to PC malfunctions at the 
worst possible time. I have mine working pretty well, but any PC can have 
issues. One reason my PC works well is it does NOTHING ELSE. It is never ever 
connected to the internet. No games, no browsing, nothing but nav EVER.

3.   Marine GPS plotter. I have a CP180 at the helm. The CMAP charts are 
mostly excellent, but some areas

Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

“I did not want to invest in an expensive nav system only to discover that it 
is obsolete by the time I hook it up. “

Of course the life of an iPad is only 3-4 years and tablets and computers 
become obsolete faster than marine equipment.

Yes I also have Navionics on by MS Surface tablet.  I like to use it at chart 
table and at home for charting courses.  Is nce to be able to expand the screen 
to follow your route to make sure you aren’t plotting over an island, etc …  
Also a big enough screen to see and not as huge as the paper charts that 
overwhelm the surface of my chart table.  The best thing about the Navionics 
tablet option is that it is much easier to bring to my living room before my 
trip than the cockpit or nav station of my boat!

I still love the Garmin GPSMAP 740 at our helm.  It is now as old as the first 
iPad (that is no longer used or usable and just as relevant as a new Navionics 
/ iPad solution.  I don’t even think it costs twice what an iPad costs either.  
My 0.02 dollars are that using a tablet as the primary navigation tool is a bit 
foolish but as a tool to augment charts and other devices is a great option.  
You can also take your tablet when you charter a boat or are on someone else’s 
boat which is also nice.

So much for “PLODDING”.  That is what we do when there is no wind

Mike
Persistence
Halifax

Our thoughts are with those facing yet another monster storm

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Matthew L. 
Wolford via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 1:35 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Matthew L. Wolford
Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

FWIW, for most navigating on our boat (Lake Erie), I use Navionics on an iPad, 
which is in a waterproof case and mounted with a RAM mount to the steering 
pedestal.  Power use is an issue, so I have two power packs for when the 
battery is low.  (I could wire a charge cord to the iPad mount, but this has 
not been necessary.)  When the iPad nearly runs out of juice (about 3 or 4 
hours), I plug in a powerpack.  That gets me about 3 more hours, which is 
usually enough for the type of sailing/distance racing that we do.  If not, I 
have a second power pack, which can be used while the first one is recharging.

The reasons I went this route are: 1) ease of use; and 2) technology changes so 
fast any more that I did not want to invest in an expensive nav system only to 
discover that it is obsolete by the time I hook it up.  (I still have a Loran 
unit in my basement.)

The system is simple, but it works fine for me.  I don’t use autopilot, which 
would obviously make a big difference.

From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 9:07 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Della Barba, Joe<mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov>
Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

I’ll expand on my earlier post a bit, since I have one of each:

1.   The phone. This is CHEAP and good. I like the Navionics charts and 
their nav program is very easy to use. I can see no reason NOT to have it 
unless you don’t have a phone. That said, there is no way I would ever trust a 
phone as a primary nav instrument. The battery gets eaten fast using this app, 
it is hard to read in sunlight, it is not waterproof, it is not designed to be 
wet and banged around, and you can always get a phone call right in the middle 
of navigating the narrow rocks passage or maybe some IOS update will kick off. 
You are of course limited by screen size and feeding AIS or instrument data 
into a phone takes some doing.

2.   OpenCPN. My favorite by far. It is an excellent program, charts are 
free, and nothing beats a nice 15 inch color display. I feed AIS info into this 
program and it is very useful with changeable CPA alerts. Radar overlay is 
possible. What I don’t like is all about the PC: It is not marine gear and 
cannot get wet. It sits below out of the sun, wind, and rain where I can’t see 
it from the helm. The current draw is 2x-4x higher than a dedicated plotter. 
Depending on your IT skills, you have some exposure to PC malfunctions at the 
worst possible time. I have mine working pretty well, but any PC can have 
issues. One reason my PC works well is it does NOTHING ELSE. It is never ever 
connected to the internet. No games, no browsing, nothing but nav EVER.

3.   Marine GPS plotter. I have a CP180 at the helm. The CMAP charts are 
mostly excellent, but some areas are less detail than NOAA and some are more. 
It has a nice daylight readable color display, it is waterproof, and it right 
in front of me at the helm. The power draw is low and reliability is high. 
There are multiple NMEA inputs and outputs, so linking to the VHF and AIS is 
easy. The bad points are paying for CMAPs and the screen size. With a 5 inch 
screen, you can see de

Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

FWIW, for most navigating on our boat (Lake Erie), I use Navionics on an iPad, 
which is in a waterproof case and mounted with a RAM mount to the steering 
pedestal.  Power use is an issue, so I have two power packs for when the 
battery is low.  (I could wire a charge cord to the iPad mount, but this has 
not been necessary.)  When the iPad nearly runs out of juice (about 3 or 4 
hours), I plug in a powerpack.  That gets me about 3 more hours, which is 
usually enough for the type of sailing/distance racing that we do.  If not, I 
have a second power pack, which can be used while the first one is recharging.

The reasons I went this route are: 1) ease of use; and 2) technology changes so 
fast any more that I did not want to invest in an expensive nav system only to 
discover that it is obsolete by the time I hook it up.  (I still have a Loran 
unit in my basement.)

The system is simple, but it works fine for me.  I don’t use autopilot, which 
would obviously make a big difference.

From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 9:07 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

I’ll expand on my earlier post a bit, since I have one of each:

1.   The phone. This is CHEAP and good. I like the Navionics charts and 
their nav program is very easy to use. I can see no reason NOT to have it 
unless you don’t have a phone. That said, there is no way I would ever trust a 
phone as a primary nav instrument. The battery gets eaten fast using this app, 
it is hard to read in sunlight, it is not waterproof, it is not designed to be 
wet and banged around, and you can always get a phone call right in the middle 
of navigating the narrow rocks passage or maybe some IOS update will kick off. 
You are of course limited by screen size and feeding AIS or instrument data 
into a phone takes some doing.

2.   OpenCPN. My favorite by far. It is an excellent program, charts are 
free, and nothing beats a nice 15 inch color display. I feed AIS info into this 
program and it is very useful with changeable CPA alerts. Radar overlay is 
possible. What I don’t like is all about the PC: It is not marine gear and 
cannot get wet. It sits below out of the sun, wind, and rain where I can’t see 
it from the helm. The current draw is 2x-4x higher than a dedicated plotter. 
Depending on your IT skills, you have some exposure to PC malfunctions at the 
worst possible time. I have mine working pretty well, but any PC can have 
issues. One reason my PC works well is it does NOTHING ELSE. It is never ever 
connected to the internet. No games, no browsing, nothing but nav EVER.

3.   Marine GPS plotter. I have a CP180 at the helm. The CMAP charts are 
mostly excellent, but some areas are less detail than NOAA and some are more. 
It has a nice daylight readable color display, it is waterproof, and it right 
in front of me at the helm. The power draw is low and reliability is high. 
There are multiple NMEA inputs and outputs, so linking to the VHF and AIS is 
easy. The bad points are paying for CMAPs and the screen size. With a 5 inch 
screen, you can see detail or see a long way around you, but not both. For one 
example, to get good enough resolution to see the narrow channel into Kent 
Narrows well, you are basically zoomed in to about 200-300 feet around the 
boat. I bought it to save power and to have a dead reliable screen at the 
*helm*. I am on autopilot about 80% of the time, but the 20% I am not tends to 
be the trickiest navigation where I need to see around me and see the plotter 
with my hand on the wheel. The CP180 has a fishfinder option I may get off 
FleaBay one of these days.

Joe

Coquina

C 35 MK I

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rick Brass 
via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 10:37 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Rick Brass <rickbr...@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

 

I see you used to be on Sailing Anarchy, too.

 

Rick Brass

Imzadi  C 38 mk2 #47

la Belle Aurore  C 25 mk1 #225

Washington, NC

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of jackbrennan 
via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 7:11 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: jackbrennan <jackbren...@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

 

Other email sailing lists tend to be plagued by a scarcity of real experts, 
flamers, know nothings who believe they know it all, big personalities who 
argue at the drop of a hat and more. 

 

Jack Brennan

Former C 25

Shanachie, 1974 Bristol 30

Tierra Verde, Fl.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Tab®|PRO



 Original message 
From: Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
Date:09/18/2017 5:51 PM (GMT-05:00) 
To: Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
Cc: Marek Dziedzic 
Subje

Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I’ll expand on my earlier post a bit, since I have one of each:

1.   The phone. This is CHEAP and good. I like the Navionics charts and 
their nav program is very easy to use. I can see no reason NOT to have it 
unless you don’t have a phone. That said, there is no way I would ever trust a 
phone as a primary nav instrument. The battery gets eaten fast using this app, 
it is hard to read in sunlight, it is not waterproof, it is not designed to be 
wet and banged around, and you can always get a phone call right in the middle 
of navigating the narrow rocks passage or maybe some IOS update will kick off. 
You are of course limited by screen size and feeding AIS or instrument data 
into a phone takes some doing.

2.   OpenCPN. My favorite by far. It is an excellent program, charts are 
free, and nothing beats a nice 15 inch color display. I feed AIS info into this 
program and it is very useful with changeable CPA alerts. Radar overlay is 
possible. What I don’t like is all about the PC: It is not marine gear and 
cannot get wet. It sits below out of the sun, wind, and rain where I can’t see 
it from the helm. The current draw is 2x-4x higher than a dedicated plotter. 
Depending on your IT skills, you have some exposure to PC malfunctions at the 
worst possible time. I have mine working pretty well, but any PC can have 
issues. One reason my PC works well is it does NOTHING ELSE. It is never ever 
connected to the internet. No games, no browsing, nothing but nav EVER.

3.   Marine GPS plotter. I have a CP180 at the helm. The CMAP charts are 
mostly excellent, but some areas are less detail than NOAA and some are more. 
It has a nice daylight readable color display, it is waterproof, and it right 
in front of me at the helm. The power draw is low and reliability is high. 
There are multiple NMEA inputs and outputs, so linking to the VHF and AIS is 
easy. The bad points are paying for CMAPs and the screen size. With a 5 inch 
screen, you can see detail or see a long way around you, but not both. For one 
example, to get good enough resolution to see the narrow channel into Kent 
Narrows well, you are basically zoomed in to about 200-300 feet around the 
boat. I bought it to save power and to have a dead reliable screen at the 
*helm*. I am on autopilot about 80% of the time, but the 20% I am not tends to 
be the trickiest navigation where I need to see around me and see the plotter 
with my hand on the wheel. The CP180 has a fishfinder option I may get off 
FleaBay one of these days.
Joe
Coquina
C 35 MK I

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rick Brass 
via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 10:37 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Rick Brass <rickbr...@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

I see you used to be on Sailing Anarchy, too.

Rick Brass
Imzadi  C 38 mk2 #47
la Belle Aurore  C 25 mk1 #225
Washington, NC



From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of jackbrennan 
via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 7:11 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: jackbrennan <jackbren...@bellsouth.net<mailto:jackbren...@bellsouth.net>>
Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

Other email sailing lists tend to be plagued by a scarcity of real experts, 
flamers, know nothings who believe they know it all, big personalities who 
argue at the drop of a hat and more.

Jack Brennan
Former C 25
Shanachie, 1974 Bristol 30
Tierra Verde, Fl.








Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Tab®|PRO


 Original message 
From: Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List
Date:09/18/2017 5:51 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: Frederick G Street via CnC-List
Cc: Marek Dziedzic
Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none
Fred,

Why are you suddenly so friendly? In the past non-C lurkers where threatened 
with keelhauling…


Marek
1994 C270 legato
Ottawa, ON
Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

From: Frederick G Street via CnC-List<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 16:09
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Frederick G Street<mailto:f...@postaudio.net>
Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none


On Sep 18, 2017, at 2:00 PM, David Castor via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Mostly lurk on this list since I bought a Sabre instead of C

We forgive you…   :^)   Actually, my slip neighbor has a Sabre 36, and it’s a 
beautiful boat.  I may go that way someday, too.


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Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

I see you used to be on Sailing Anarchy, too.

 

Rick Brass

Imzadi  C 38 mk2 #47

la Belle Aurore  C 25 mk1 #225

Washington, NC

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of jackbrennan 
via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 7:11 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: jackbrennan <jackbren...@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

 

Other email sailing lists tend to be plagued by a scarcity of real experts, 
flamers, know nothings who believe they know it all, big personalities who 
argue at the drop of a hat and more. 

 

Jack Brennan

Former C 25

Shanachie, 1974 Bristol 30

Tierra Verde, Fl.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Tab®|PRO



 Original message 
From: Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
Date:09/18/2017 5:51 PM (GMT-05:00) 
To: Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
Cc: Marek Dziedzic 
Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none 

Fred,

 

Why are you suddenly so friendly? In the past non-C lurkers where threatened 
with keelhauling…

 

 

Marek 

1994 C270 legato

Ottawa, ON 

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>  for Windows 10

 

From: Frederick G Street via CnC-List <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 16:09
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
Cc: Frederick G Street <mailto:f...@postaudio.net> 
Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

 

 

On Sep 18, 2017, at 2:00 PM, David Castor via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

 

Mostly lurk on this list since I bought a Sabre instead of C 

 

We forgive you…   :^)   Actually, my slip neighbor has a Sabre 36, and it’s a 
beautiful boat.  I may go that way someday, too.






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Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

I’ve been thinking about upgrading the Garmin 541S (5”) plotter at the helm of 
Imzadi to a larger display (Old Eyes, I freely admit) so I’ve been looking at 
the alternatives from Garmin. I think all of those I’ve looked at come with 
Bluechart G2 charts for the entire US plus coastal Canadian waters.

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick G 
Street via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 10:15 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Frederick G Street <f...@postaudio.net>
Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

 

Oh, and I forgot to mention: as far as electronic charts go, all of the 
Raymarine plotters can be ordered with Navionics+ North America chips at a very 
reasonable cost; these charts are complete for BOTH US and Canadian waters, 
both coastal and inland.  I think the new Axiom 7” plotters from Raymarine are 
a particularly good value; fast new processors, the latest operating software 
and very attractive prices.

 

— Fred


Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

 

 

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Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

I agree with Dennis about not keeping batteries in the handheld GPS. This 
spring I threw away a Garmin Etrex and an older Magellan GPS that I had been 
keeping for the ditch bag. The batteries leaked and ruined the two GPSs.

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Marek 
Dziedzic via CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2017 10:46 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Marek Dziedzic <dziedzi...@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

 

Denis,

 

If you keep the GPS without the batteries, it would take longer to get the 
first fix. Since the 76 is a fairly old device (I have a 76s for 12 years; if I 
remember, it has only 24 MB of memory!) that first fix can take 15 minutes.

 

There is always a compromise.

 

Marek

 

 

 

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[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

Actually, there is no FEDERAL chart carriage requirement (in the US) for 
recreational boats. There may be a requirement is some states, but I’m not 
aware of any.

 

For a US vessel carrying paying passengers, you must have paper charts (Unless 
you have a really elaborate and expensive electronic charting system like those 
approved for large commercial vessels like cruise ships.), and the charts must 
be updated to the latest Local Notice to Mariners (LNM). Keeping a set of 
charts up to date every week can be a big drain on time; trust me I used to do 
it. The real problem was keeping all the other stuff you need to carry, like 
the Light List & Coast Pilot, on a passenger vessel up to date.

 

The way we kept up to date charts on the schooner of which I was Master was to 
periodically print a set of NOAA Booklet Charts for the area in which we did 
trips. NOAA now has a page on the chart website where you check the date of the 
most recent changes to a chart if you know the chart number, which makes 
printing a current Booklet Chart a fairly easy proposition. 

 

And at least in District 5, having a current Booklet Chart satisfies the 
carriage requirement for the USCG Certificate of Inspection so I assume it 
would also satisfy the requirement for an Uninspected Passenger Vessel (6 Pack) 
as well. 

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley 
via CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2017 12:27 PM
To: C List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
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Even the ones that NOAA gives away aren't officially authorized for navigation. 
 The exception is when a certified chart printer is used to print the charts 
from the free files.  Obviously there is a charge for such services.

 

Josh 

 

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[Jerome Tauber via CnC-List]

Just sailed to Newport for the boat show. No Sabre, Hunter or C sailboats. 
One Catalina.  One J.  Two Tartans.  U.S. sailboat industry going the way of 
Canada's.  Jerry 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 18, 2017, at 8:05 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
> I joined the sabre group when shopping for our current boat.   They let me 
> stay even though I bought a tartan!  Awesome group!  Tartan group is really 
> great too!   They are both as friendly knowledgeable and helpful as this 
> group just not as many in number! 
> 
> I would love to combine all 3!
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
> 
>  Original message 
> From: jackbrennan via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Date: 9/18/17 7:10 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: jackbrennan <jackbren...@bellsouth.net>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none
> 
> People on this list should be complimented that so many former C owners 
> continue to lurk here.
> 
> I for one think it's the one of best sources of reliable information on the 
> Internet for maintaining and upgrading sailboats. Dennis, Fred, Wally and 
> many others have given me quite an education over the 16 years I've been 
> reading their posts.
> 
> Other email sailing lists tend to be plagued by a scarcity of real experts, 
> flamers, know nothings who believe they know it all, big personalities who 
> argue at the drop of a hat and more. This list somehow tends to avoid all of 
> that.
> 
> Besides, who knows, maybe someday we'll come back to the C fold. :) 
> 
> I know that if I could get some lingering health issues under control, I 
> might be tempted by the right Landfall or a centerboard C for more extended 
> cruising.
> 
> Jack Brennan
> Former C 25
> Shanachie, 1974 Bristol 30
> Tierra Verde, Fl.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Tab®|PRO
> 
> 
> ---- Original message 
> From: Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
> Date:09/18/2017 5:51 PM (GMT-05:00) 
> To: Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
> Cc: Marek Dziedzic 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none 
> 
> Fred,
> 
>  
> 
> Why are you suddenly so friendly? In the past non-C lurkers where 
> threatened with keelhauling…
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Marek
> 
> 1994 C270 legato
> 
> Ottawa, ON
> 
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
> 
>  
> 
> From: Frederick G Street via CnC-List
> Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 16:09
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Frederick G Street
> Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> On Sep 18, 2017, at 2:00 PM, David Castor via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
>  
> 
> Mostly lurk on this list since I bought a Sabre instead of C 
> 
>  
> 
> We forgive you…   :^)   Actually, my slip neighbor has a Sabre 36, and it’s a 
> beautiful boat.  I may go that way someday, too.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Marek — with the exception of the occasional “RTFM” comment ("read the f@%*ing 
manual”…), I tend to be a friendly kind of guy…   :^)

I think the Sabres of the mid- to late-1990’s and early to mid 2000’s are what 
C could have been if they had been able to stay in business and stable.  
They’re nice to look at, well-designed down below, and sail pretty darn well.  
I love the fact that the 36 my slip-neighbor owns has the head at the bottom of 
the companionway (with a separate shower stall).  The rest of the boat is great 
down below as well, and the build quality is outstanding.

There’s been a 42 recently down in Florida that I’ve been drooling over… I 
wonder if she’s still afloat after Irma…

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

> On Sep 18, 2017, at 4:51 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Fred,
>  
> Why are you suddenly so friendly? In the past non-C lurkers where 
> threatened with keelhauling…
>  
>  
> Marek

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[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

I joined the sabre group when shopping for our current boat.   They let me stay 
even though I bought a tartan!  Awesome group!  Tartan group is really great 
too!   They are both as friendly knowledgeable and helpful as this group just 
not as many in number! 
I would love to combine all 3!


Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
 Original message From: jackbrennan via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Date: 9/18/17  7:10 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: jackbrennan <jackbren...@bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: 
Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none 
People on this list should be complimented that so many former C owners 
continue to lurk here.
I for one think it's the one of best sources of reliable information on the 
Internet for maintaining and upgrading sailboats. Dennis, Fred, Wally and many 
others have given me quite an education over the 16 years I've been reading 
their posts.
Other email sailing lists tend to be plagued by a scarcity of real experts, 
flamers, know nothings who believe they know it all, big personalities who 
argue at the drop of a hat and more. This list somehow tends to avoid all of 
that.
Besides, who knows, maybe someday we'll come back to the C fold. :) 
I know that if I could get some lingering health issues under control, I might 
be tempted by the right Landfall or a centerboard C for more extended 
cruising.
Jack BrennanFormer C 25Shanachie, 1974 Bristol 30Tierra Verde, Fl.







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 Original message 
From: Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List  
Date:09/18/2017  5:51 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: Frederick G Street via CnC-List  
Cc: Marek Dziedzic  
Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none 



Fred,
 
Why are you suddenly so friendly? In the past non-C lurkers where threatened 
with keelhauling…
 
 
Marek 
1994 C270 legato
Ottawa, ON 
Sent from 
Mail for Windows 10
 

From: Frederick G Street via CnC-List

Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 16:09

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com

Cc: Frederick G Street

Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

 
 



On Sep 18, 2017, at 2:00 PM, David Castor via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
wrote:

 


Mostly lurk on this list since I bought a Sabre instead of C 




 


We forgive you…   :^)   Actually, my slip neighbor has a Sabre 36, and it’s a 
beautiful boat.  I may go that way someday, too.










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[jackbrennan via CnC-List]

People on this list should be complimented that so many former C owners 
continue to lurk here.

I for one think it's the one of best sources of reliable information on the 
Internet for maintaining and upgrading sailboats. Dennis, Fred, Wally and many 
others have given me quite an education over the 16 years I've been reading 
their posts.

Other email sailing lists tend to be plagued by a scarcity of real experts, 
flamers, know nothings who believe they know it all, big personalities who 
argue at the drop of a hat and more. This list somehow tends to avoid all of 
that.

Besides, who knows, maybe someday we'll come back to the C fold. :) 

I know that if I could get some lingering health issues under control, I might 
be tempted by the right Landfall or a centerboard C for more extended 
cruising.

Jack Brennan
Former C 25
Shanachie, 1974 Bristol 30
Tierra Verde, Fl.








Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Tab®|PRO

 Original message 
From: Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
Date:09/18/2017  5:51 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: Frederick G Street via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
Cc: Marek Dziedzic <dziedzi...@hotmail.com> 
Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none 

Fred,
 
Why are you suddenly so friendly? In the past non-C lurkers where threatened 
with keelhauling…
 
 
Marek
1994 C270 legato
Ottawa, ON
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
 
From: Frederick G Street via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 16:09
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Frederick G Street
Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none
 
 
On Sep 18, 2017, at 2:00 PM, David Castor via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
wrote:
 
Mostly lurk on this list since I bought a Sabre instead of C 
 
We forgive you…   :^)   Actually, my slip neighbor has a Sabre 36, and it’s a 
beautiful boat.  I may go that way someday, too.


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[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Fred,

Why are you suddenly so friendly? In the past non-C lurkers where threatened 
with keelhauling…


Marek
1994 C270 legato
Ottawa, ON
Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

From: Frederick G Street via CnC-List<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 16:09
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Frederick G Street<mailto:f...@postaudio.net>
Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none


On Sep 18, 2017, at 2:00 PM, David Castor via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Mostly lurk on this list since I bought a Sabre instead of C

We forgive you…   :^)   Actually, my slip neighbor has a Sabre 36, and it’s a 
beautiful boat.  I may go that way someday, too.


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[David Castor via CnC-List]

Agreed. Radar is expensive. My boat came with a 10-year old or so Raymarine
chart plotter/radar. I looked into replacing the chart plotter since it has
some issues losing GPS fix. Discovered that I'd also have to replace the
radar.  So deferring chart plotter replacement for another season.

OK - back in my hole.

Dave Castor
Port Angeles, WA.
Sabre 32

On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 1:08 PM Frederick G Street via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> On Sep 18, 2017, at 2:00 PM, David Castor via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Mostly lurk on this list since I bought a Sabre instead of C
>
>
> We forgive you…   :^)   Actually, my slip neighbor has a Sabre 36, and
> it’s a beautiful boat.  I may go that way someday, too.
>
> I live in Port Angeles, WA. Just wanted to say that I would make radar a
> high priority in these waters.  Virtually any boat venturing into the
> Strait of Juan de Fuca has radar, down to the 20 foot fishing boats.
>
>
> I absolutely agree about radar, especially with all the large amount of
> vessel traffic and the chance for fog.  But radar will cost more than
> triple the amount you’ll pay for a smallish plotter, by the time you figure
> in the dome, the mount and the installation.  That’s what I suggested
> getting a radar-*capable* plotter first, then add things as you go.
>
> I also agree with Rick’s suggestion about AIS; but you need to remember
> that not all vessels have AIS transponders.  I’m seeing far more of it on
> recreational vessels in my area; but there are still many commercial
> vessels under 300 tons that aren’t required to carry it, and don’t.  Radar
> will still see those vessels.
>
> In the end, all of the toys will give you more and more info; sometimes
> more than you can keep track of, and the plotter just becomes a big video
> game.  Don’t forget to look outside the boat…   :^)
>
> — Fred
>
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
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[svpegasus38 via CnC-List]

I have radar and AIS receiver on Pegasus, radar and installing AIS transponder  
on Rebecca Leah. I was cruising near Port Townsend in the fog when the screen 
of my radar went blank. Had the AIS receiver so was able to see the ferry that 
was too close for comfort. Called him on the radio. Was able to avoid a bad 
situation.  If interested in AIS talk to Doug Miller at MilltechMarine.com He 
is who I bought my LF39 from and he hooked me up with the AIS transponder.  


Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE DeviceDoug Mountjoy POYC Pegasus (for sale) Lf38 
Rebecca Leah LF39 
 Original message From: David Castor via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Date: 9/18/17  13:24  (GMT-08:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: David Castor <dpcas...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: 
Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none 
I'd put higher priority on radar. Not all vessels have AIS. Or have it on.   
Just my $0.02. 
On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 12:11 PM Rick Rohwer via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
I have general charts aboard and tools to dead reckon with! I can see no reason 
to not have at least a handheld GPS aboard with batteries. If you can swing it 
though you should have a plotter!  Great peace of mind!I think I would prefer 
having AIS to radar. I have the radar but no AIS currently!A good friend said 
the added benefit of AIS is knowing how many folks (roughly) are in the 
anchorage before you pull in! I have read some very negative feedback on real 
time tests on radar reflectors?

Rick Rohwer Paikea 37+Tacoma, WA



On Sep 18, 2017, at 12:55, Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

I agree with Jack, as well; but the original post was sent by a person who 
sails in the Vancouver Island area, which has far less shifting sand and far 
more immovable rock…   :^)
Any electronic device is not a replacement for good seamanship and piloting — 
but it can definitely be of great help when the wether goes bad or it’s dark 
out.  You still have a responsibility for keeping proper lookout, and for 
double-checking your position.
— Fred


Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI


On Sep 18, 2017, at 11:22 AM, David Kaseler via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
Jack I agree with all you say.Dave.1975 C 33SLY

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On Sep 18, 2017, at 8:33 AM, jackbrennan via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
wrote:

Of course, the caveat to all of this is that,  depending on where you sail, 
even up-to-date charts can be anywhere from mildly off to wildly and 
dangerously inaccurate.
In the Keys and South and West Florida, where sand shifts all of the time, 
TowboatUS and Seatow do a fine business from boaters blindly following their 
chartplotters. Many inlets and channels in West Florida have nasty, uncharted 
sandbars.
After Irma, forget about it. Who knows what's where? You could go aground on a 
sunken boat.
Depth sounders and the ability to read water are more valuable navigation tools 
in places like this. I like paper charts because you get a bigger view. A GPS 
is wonderful for confirming that you are where you think you are. 
Still, I get the allure of all that gear. I crewed on a friend's catamaran to 
Fantasy Fest in Key West last fall. His electronics were several times more 
valuable than many of our boats.
I felt like I was on the con of the Starship Enterprise. Especially when we hit 
warp speed (10+ knots). The only thing the electronics couldn't do was spot 
crab pots at night. :)
Jack BrennanFormer C 25Shanachie, 1974 Bristol 30Tierra Verde, Fl.
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[David Castor via CnC-List]

I'd put higher priority on radar. Not all vessels have AIS. Or have it on.
  Just my $0.02.

On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 12:11 PM Rick Rohwer via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I have general charts aboard and tools to dead reckon with! I can see no
> reason to not have at least a handheld GPS aboard with batteries. If you
> can swing it though you should have a plotter!  Great peace of mind!
> I think I would prefer having AIS to radar. I have the radar but no AIS
> currently!
> A good friend said the added benefit of AIS is knowing how many folks
> (roughly) are in the anchorage before you pull in!
> I have read some very negative feedback on real time tests on radar
> reflectors?
>
> Rick Rohwer
> Paikea 37+
> Tacoma, WA
>
>
>
> On Sep 18, 2017, at 12:55, Frederick G Street via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> I agree with Jack, as well; but the original post was sent by a person who
> sails in the Vancouver Island area, which has far less shifting sand and
> far more immovable rock…   :^)
>
> Any electronic device is not a replacement for good seamanship and
> piloting — but it can definitely be of great help when the wether goes bad
> or it’s dark out.  You still have a responsibility for keeping proper
> lookout, and for double-checking your position.
>
> — Fred
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
>
> On Sep 18, 2017, at 11:22 AM, David Kaseler via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Jack I agree with all you say.
> Dave.
> 1975 C 33
> SLY
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Sep 18, 2017, at 8:33 AM, jackbrennan via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Of course, the caveat to all of this is that,  depending on where you
> sail, even up-to-date charts can be anywhere from mildly off to wildly and
> dangerously inaccurate.
>
> In the Keys and South and West Florida, where sand shifts all of the time,
> TowboatUS and Seatow do a fine business from boaters blindly following
> their chartplotters. Many inlets and channels in West Florida have nasty,
> uncharted sandbars.
>
> After Irma, forget about it. Who knows what's where? You could go aground
> on a sunken boat.
>
> Depth sounders and the ability to read water are more valuable navigation
> tools in places like this. I like paper charts because you get a bigger
> view. A GPS is wonderful for confirming that you are where you think you
> are.
>
> Still, I get the allure of all that gear. I crewed on a friend's catamaran
> to Fantasy Fest in Key West last fall. His electronics were several times
> more valuable than many of our boats.
>
> I felt like I was on the con of the Starship Enterprise. Especially when
> we hit warp speed (10+ knots). The only thing the electronics couldn't do
> was spot crab pots at night. :)
>
> Jack Brennan
> Former C 25
> Shanachie, 1974 Bristol 30
> Tierra Verde, Fl.
>
>
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[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

> On Sep 18, 2017, at 2:00 PM, David Castor via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Mostly lurk on this list since I bought a Sabre instead of C 

We forgive you…   :^)   Actually, my slip neighbor has a Sabre 36, and it’s a 
beautiful boat.  I may go that way someday, too.

> I live in Port Angeles, WA. Just wanted to say that I would make radar a high 
> priority in these waters.  Virtually any boat venturing into the Strait of 
> Juan de Fuca has radar, down to the 20 foot fishing boats.  

I absolutely agree about radar, especially with all the large amount of vessel 
traffic and the chance for fog.  But radar will cost more than triple the 
amount you’ll pay for a smallish plotter, by the time you figure in the dome, 
the mount and the installation.  That’s what I suggested getting a 
radar-capable plotter first, then add things as you go.

I also agree with Rick’s suggestion about AIS; but you need to remember that 
not all vessels have AIS transponders.  I’m seeing far more of it on 
recreational vessels in my area; but there are still many commercial vessels 
under 300 tons that aren’t required to carry it, and don’t.  Radar will still 
see those vessels.

In the end, all of the toys will give you more and more info; sometimes more 
than you can keep track of, and the plotter just becomes a big video game.  
Don’t forget to look outside the boat…   :^)

— Fred


Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI___

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[Rick Rohwer via CnC-List]

I have general charts aboard and tools to dead reckon with! I can see no reason 
to not have at least a handheld GPS aboard with batteries. If you can swing it 
though you should have a plotter!  Great peace of mind!
I think I would prefer having AIS to radar. I have the radar but no AIS 
currently!
A good friend said the added benefit of AIS is knowing how many folks (roughly) 
are in the anchorage before you pull in! 
I have read some very negative feedback on real time tests on radar reflectors?

Rick Rohwer 
Paikea 37+
Tacoma, WA



> On Sep 18, 2017, at 12:55, Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I agree with Jack, as well; but the original post was sent by a person who 
> sails in the Vancouver Island area, which has far less shifting sand and far 
> more immovable rock…   :^)
> 
> Any electronic device is not a replacement for good seamanship and piloting — 
> but it can definitely be of great help when the wether goes bad or it’s dark 
> out.  You still have a responsibility for keeping proper lookout, and for 
> double-checking your position.
> 
> — Fred
> 
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2017, at 11:22 AM, David Kaseler via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Jack I agree with all you say.
>> Dave.
>> 1975 C 33
>> SLY
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2017, at 8:33 AM, jackbrennan via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Of course, the caveat to all of this is that,  depending on where you sail, 
>>> even up-to-date charts can be anywhere from mildly off to wildly and 
>>> dangerously inaccurate.
>>> 
>>> In the Keys and South and West Florida, where sand shifts all of the time, 
>>> TowboatUS and Seatow do a fine business from boaters blindly following 
>>> their chartplotters. Many inlets and channels in West Florida have nasty, 
>>> uncharted sandbars.
>>> 
>>> After Irma, forget about it. Who knows what's where? You could go aground 
>>> on a sunken boat.
>>> 
>>> Depth sounders and the ability to read water are more valuable navigation 
>>> tools in places like this. I like paper charts because you get a bigger 
>>> view. A GPS is wonderful for confirming that you are where you think you 
>>> are. 
>>> 
>>> Still, I get the allure of all that gear. I crewed on a friend's catamaran 
>>> to Fantasy Fest in Key West last fall. His electronics were several times 
>>> more valuable than many of our boats.
>>> 
>>> I felt like I was on the con of the Starship Enterprise. Especially when we 
>>> hit warp speed (10+ knots). The only thing the electronics couldn't do was 
>>> spot crab pots at night. :)
>>> 
>>> Jack Brennan
>>> Former C 25
>>> Shanachie, 1974 Bristol 30
>>> Tierra Verde, Fl.
> 
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Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

[David Castor via CnC-List]

Mostly lurk on this list since I bought a Sabre instead of C

I live in Port Angeles, WA. Just wanted to say that I would make radar a
high priority in these waters.  Virtually any boat venturing into the
Strait of Juan de Fuca has radar, down to the 20 foot fishing boats.

Best of luck.

Dave Castor.

On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 9:56 AM Frederick G Street via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I agree with Jack, as well; but the original post was sent by a person who
> sails in the Vancouver Island area, which has far less shifting sand and
> far more immovable rock…   :^)
>
> Any electronic device is not a replacement for good seamanship and
> piloting — but it can definitely be of great help when the wether goes bad
> or it’s dark out.  You still have a responsibility for keeping proper
> lookout, and for double-checking your position.
>
> — Fred
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
>
> On Sep 18, 2017, at 11:22 AM, David Kaseler via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Jack I agree with all you say.
> Dave.
> 1975 C 33
> SLY
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Sep 18, 2017, at 8:33 AM, jackbrennan via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Of course, the caveat to all of this is that,  depending on where you
> sail, even up-to-date charts can be anywhere from mildly off to wildly and
> dangerously inaccurate.
>
> In the Keys and South and West Florida, where sand shifts all of the time,
> TowboatUS and Seatow do a fine business from boaters blindly following
> their chartplotters. Many inlets and channels in West Florida have nasty,
> uncharted sandbars.
>
> After Irma, forget about it. Who knows what's where? You could go aground
> on a sunken boat.
>
> Depth sounders and the ability to read water are more valuable navigation
> tools in places like this. I like paper charts because you get a bigger
> view. A GPS is wonderful for confirming that you are where you think you
> are.
>
> Still, I get the allure of all that gear. I crewed on a friend's catamaran
> to Fantasy Fest in Key West last fall. His electronics were several times
> more valuable than many of our boats.
>
> I felt like I was on the con of the Starship Enterprise. Especially when
> we hit warp speed (10+ knots). The only thing the electronics couldn't do
> was spot crab pots at night. :)
>
> Jack Brennan
> Former C 25
> Shanachie, 1974 Bristol 30
> Tierra Verde, Fl.
>
>
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Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

I agree with Jack, as well; but the original post was sent by a person who 
sails in the Vancouver Island area, which has far less shifting sand and far 
more immovable rock…   :^)

Any electronic device is not a replacement for good seamanship and piloting — 
but it can definitely be of great help when the wether goes bad or it’s dark 
out.  You still have a responsibility for keeping proper lookout, and for 
double-checking your position.

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

> On Sep 18, 2017, at 11:22 AM, David Kaseler via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Jack I agree with all you say.
> Dave.
> 1975 C 33
> SLY
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Sep 18, 2017, at 8:33 AM, jackbrennan via CnC-List  > wrote:
> 
>> Of course, the caveat to all of this is that,  depending on where you sail, 
>> even up-to-date charts can be anywhere from mildly off to wildly and 
>> dangerously inaccurate.
>> 
>> In the Keys and South and West Florida, where sand shifts all of the time, 
>> TowboatUS and Seatow do a fine business from boaters blindly following their 
>> chartplotters. Many inlets and channels in West Florida have nasty, 
>> uncharted sandbars.
>> 
>> After Irma, forget about it. Who knows what's where? You could go aground on 
>> a sunken boat.
>> 
>> Depth sounders and the ability to read water are more valuable navigation 
>> tools in places like this. I like paper charts because you get a bigger 
>> view. A GPS is wonderful for confirming that you are where you think you 
>> are. 
>> 
>> Still, I get the allure of all that gear. I crewed on a friend's catamaran 
>> to Fantasy Fest in Key West last fall. His electronics were several times 
>> more valuable than many of our boats.
>> 
>> I felt like I was on the con of the Starship Enterprise. Especially when we 
>> hit warp speed (10+ knots). The only thing the electronics couldn't do was 
>> spot crab pots at night. :)
>> 
>> Jack Brennan
>> Former C 25
>> Shanachie, 1974 Bristol 30
>> Tierra Verde, Fl.

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Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

[David Kaseler via CnC-List]

Jack I agree with all you say.
Dave.
1975 C 33
SLY

Sent from my iPad

> On Sep 18, 2017, at 8:33 AM, jackbrennan via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Of course, the caveat to all of this is that,  depending on where you sail, 
> even up-to-date charts can be anywhere from mildly off to wildly and 
> dangerously inaccurate.
> 
> In the Keys and South and West Florida, where sand shifts all of the time, 
> TowboatUS and Seatow do a fine business from boaters blindly following their 
> chartplotters. Many inlets and channels in West Florida have nasty, uncharted 
> sandbars.
> 
> After Irma, forget about it. Who knows what's where? You could go aground on 
> a sunken boat.
> 
> Depth sounders and the ability to read water are more valuable navigation 
> tools in places like this. I like paper charts because you get a bigger view. 
> A GPS is wonderful for confirming that you are where you think you are. 
> 
> Still, I get the allure of all that gear. I crewed on a friend's catamaran to 
> Fantasy Fest in Key West last fall. His electronics were several times more 
> valuable than many of our boats.
> 
> I felt like I was on the con of the Starship Enterprise. Especially when we 
> hit warp speed (10+ knots). The only thing the electronics couldn't do was 
> spot crab pots at night. :)
> 
> Jack Brennan
> Former C 25
> Shanachie, 1974 Bristol 30
> Tierra Verde, Fl.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Tab®|PRO
> 
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
> Date:09/18/2017 10:14 AM (GMT-05:00) 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> Cc: Frederick G Street 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none 
> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

[jackbrennan via CnC-List]

Of course, the caveat to all of this is that,  depending on where you sail, 
even up-to-date charts can be anywhere from mildly off to wildly and 
dangerously inaccurate.

In the Keys and South and West Florida, where sand shifts all of the time, 
TowboatUS and Seatow do a fine business from boaters blindly following their 
chartplotters. Many inlets and channels in West Florida have nasty, uncharted 
sandbars.

After Irma, forget about it. Who knows what's where? You could go aground on a 
sunken boat.

Depth sounders and the ability to read water are more valuable navigation tools 
in places like this. I like paper charts because you get a bigger view. A GPS 
is wonderful for confirming that you are where you think you are. 

Still, I get the allure of all that gear. I crewed on a friend's catamaran to 
Fantasy Fest in Key West last fall. His electronics were several times more 
valuable than many of our boats.

I felt like I was on the con of the Starship Enterprise. Especially when we hit 
warp speed (10+ knots). The only thing the electronics couldn't do was spot 
crab pots at night. :)

Jack Brennan
Former C 25
Shanachie, 1974 Bristol 30
Tierra Verde, Fl.










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Date:09/18/2017  10:14 AM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Frederick G Street <f...@postaudio.net> 
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Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Oh, and I forgot to mention: as far as electronic charts go, all of the 
Raymarine plotters can be ordered with Navionics+ North America chips at a very 
reasonable cost; these charts are complete for BOTH US and Canadian waters, 
both coastal and inland.  I think the new Axiom 7” plotters from Raymarine are 
a particularly good value; fast new processors, the latest operating software 
and very attractive prices.

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

> On Sep 18, 2017, at 8:53 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Marek — thanks for the nice words!  I’m firmly of the belief that if you’re 
> sailing ocean waters, you should have a permanently installed, dedicated nav 
> system of some sort aboard, with a laptop or (more preferably) a waterproof 
> handheld GPS as a backup.  We’ve had lots of discussions of the benefits of 
> laptop or tablet-based nav systems on the list; but in my experience, those 
> systems are prone to fail at the worst possible time, i.e. when the weather 
> is really bad and the boat is getting beat up.  At those times, you really 
> need reliable nav info at the helm, where you’re doing the driving; not down 
> below.
> 
> There are a bunch of relatively inexpensive but decent plotters out there; 
> most of them now have internal GPS antennas, so they’re very easy to install 
> with a minimum of fuss.  With a smaller subset of these, you can move up a 
> notch and expand the capabilities by adding a radome and/or networked data 
> like instruments and AIS.  Many of these are still under $1000 to get into; 
> and you can start with a basic system, then add things as you can afford them.
> 
> For those of you new to the list, I spent several years as an ABYC- and 
> NMEA-certified marine electrician and electronics installer up in my sailing 
> grounds, the upper Great Lakes.  I’ve kept my vendor relationships, and offer 
> advice and design services to those on the list, along with marine 
> electronics at dealer pricing.  If I can be of any further assistance, please 
> email me on or off the list.
> 
> — Fred
> 
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

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Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Marek — thanks for the nice words!  I’m firmly of the belief that if you’re 
sailing ocean waters, you should have a permanently installed, dedicated nav 
system of some sort aboard, with a laptop or (more preferably) a waterproof 
handheld GPS as a backup.  We’ve had lots of discussions of the benefits of 
laptop or tablet-based nav systems on the list; but in my experience, those 
systems are prone to fail at the worst possible time, i.e. when the weather is 
really bad and the boat is getting beat up.  At those times, you really need 
reliable nav info at the helm, where you’re doing the driving; not down below.

There are a bunch of relatively inexpensive but decent plotters out there; most 
of them now have internal GPS antennas, so they’re very easy to install with a 
minimum of fuss.  With a smaller subset of these, you can move up a notch and 
expand the capabilities by adding a radome and/or networked data like 
instruments and AIS.  Many of these are still under $1000 to get into; and you 
can start with a basic system, then add things as you can afford them.

For those of you new to the list, I spent several years as an ABYC- and 
NMEA-certified marine electrician and electronics installer up in my sailing 
grounds, the upper Great Lakes.  I’ve kept my vendor relationships, and offer 
advice and design services to those on the list, along with marine electronics 
at dealer pricing.  If I can be of any further assistance, please email me on 
or off the list.

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

> On Sep 16, 2017, at 10:52 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
> Chris,
>  
> A handheld GPS, as probably a minimum.
>  
> There are very cost effective smallish chart plotters that you can get for 
> about $500 (or $750 with maps).
>  
> I like Garmin, as I have a long history with their devices. A GPSMAP 78s as a 
> handheld (a lot of older maps work on that model). Something like echoMAP 
> 55cv as a minimalist’s chart plotter.
>  
> If I were sailing around the Vancouver and Vancouver Island, I would make 
> sure that I have full access to map updates (buy a subscription).
>  
> A tablet with Navionics may be of help, but I don’t believe that any tablet 
> works even close to well compared to a dedicated marine chart plotter (when 
> considering the wet or sunny environment). If you will only use it down 
> below, they should work well.
>  
> OpenCPN is a great option, if you have the stomach to learn how to install it 
> and maintain it.
>  
> Having said all that, if you are serious about navigating there, you may want 
> to think of a comprehensive instrumentation (multiple devices working 
> together over a NMEA network). For help with that ask Fred (and follow his 
> advice).
>  
> Marek
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chris 
> Hobson via CnC-List
> Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2017 21:29
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Chris Hobson <ch...@hobsonbuildsco.com>
> Subject: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none
>  
> We’re in Vancouver BC, Georgia Straight can get foggy, tides come and go and 
> we’re new at this. We have no GPS on our new to us 1981 C 30 and very 
> little in the way of navigation other than dead reckoning, basic familiarity 
> with the area and a compass at the helm. It’s fun because it’s like we just 
> purchased a 1981 C and technology isn’t around yet. However every sail is a 
> guessing game and I’d like to hear what others use for costal navigation. 
> Whether it’s real tangible maps, a GPS system you swear by or an iPad with 
> some software curious to hear what other C owners use to get find their way.
>  
> Chris Hobson
> S/V Going
> 1980 C MKI
> Hull 615
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Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

"but if I leave the batteries in it for a long time and they leak, the GPS
could be harmed. "

However, Lithium AA batteries are relatively inexpensive and have a shelf
life of 10 years or so so you could leave a pair of those in the 76 and not
have to worry about it for years at a time.  I use the low self-discharge
rechargeable nickel–metal hydride battery (LSD NiMH) Panasonic Eneloop in
mine and keep two more pairs in the 12v changer when on trips.  These will
not leak either so they can stay in the 76Csx as long as I wish to leave
them there.

Ken H.

On 18 September 2017 at 08:13, Dennis C. via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> wrote:

> True, but if I leave the batteries in it for a long time and they leak,
> the GPS could be harmed.  The time to install the batteries is minimal
> compared to the time to obtain a fix.
>
> The handheld is 3rd or 4th down the list in terms of use.
>
> Dennis C.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 17, 2017, at 10:45 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Denis,
>
>
>
> If you keep the GPS without the batteries, it would take longer to get the
> first fix. Since the 76 is a fairly old device (I have a 76s for 12 years;
> if I remember, it has only 24 MB of memory!) that first fix can take 15
> minutes.
>
>
>
> There is always a compromise.
>
>
>
> Marek
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
> <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>] *On Behalf Of *Dennis C. via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 17, 2017 20:13
> *To:* CnClist <CnC-List@cnc-list.com>
> *Cc:* Dennis C. <capt...@gmail.com>
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is
> none
>
>
>
> Wow!  A wide range of answers in this thread.
>
>
>
> I have a Garmin 128 (text only display) below at the navstation, a 5 inch
> charplotter at the helm.  The two are connected to a switch which feeds the
> instruments, autosteerer and VHF (with AIS receive capability).  One of the
> units is always "active".
>
>
>
> I keep a Garmin 76 handheld in the navstation with fresh batteries in a
> plastic bag.  Do not store batteries in the GPS.
>
>
>
> I have a Samsung tablet with OpenCPN also for back up.  I have Navionics
> USA on my iPhone.
>
>
>
> I have the latest edition of MapTech's regional chartkit.  Great paper
> chart compilation if available for your region.
>
>
>
> If I was budget limited, I'd probably go with the tablet with OpenCPN or
> Navionics or a used Garmin 182 and a chartkit.
>
>
>
> In my opinion, paper charts are great if you can plot your position from
> and old text only GPS rapidly.  Otherwise a chartplotter is the way to go.
>
>
>
> There are reasonable priced GPS units with few features available.  There
> are lots of used ones on eBay.
>
>
>
> Dennis C.
>
> Touche' 35-1 #83
>
> Mandeville, LA
>
>
>
> On Sep 16, 2017 9:30 PM, "Chris Hobson via CnC-List" <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> We’re in Vancouver BC, Georgia Straight can get foggy, tides come and go
> and we’re new at this. We have no GPS on our new to us 1981 C 30 and very
> little in the way of navigation other than dead reckoning, basic
> familiarity with the area and a compass at the helm. It’s fun because it’s
> like we just purchased a 1981 C and technology isn’t around yet. However
> every sail is a guessing game and I’d like to hear what others use for
> costal navigation. Whether it’s real tangible maps, a GPS system you swear
> by or an iPad with some software curious to hear what other C owners use
> to get find their way.
>
>
>
> Chris Hobson
>
> S/V Going
>
> 1980 C MKI
>
> Hull 615
>
>
>
>
>
>
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[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

True, but if I leave the batteries in it for a long time and they leak, the GPS 
could be harmed.  The time to install the batteries is minimal compared to the 
time to obtain a fix. 

The handheld is 3rd or 4th down the list in terms of use. 

Dennis C.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 17, 2017, at 10:45 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
> Denis,
>  
> If you keep the GPS without the batteries, it would take longer to get the 
> first fix. Since the 76 is a fairly old device (I have a 76s for 12 years; if 
> I remember, it has only 24 MB of memory!) that first fix can take 15 minutes.
>  
> There is always a compromise.
>  
> Marek
>  
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. 
> via CnC-List
> Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2017 20:13
> To: CnClist <CnC-List@cnc-list.com>
> Cc: Dennis C. <capt...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none
>  
> Wow!  A wide range of answers in this thread.
>  
> I have a Garmin 128 (text only display) below at the navstation, a 5 inch 
> charplotter at the helm.  The two are connected to a switch which feeds the 
> instruments, autosteerer and VHF (with AIS receive capability).  One of the 
> units is always "active".
>  
> I keep a Garmin 76 handheld in the navstation with fresh batteries in a 
> plastic bag.  Do not store batteries in the GPS.
>  
> I have a Samsung tablet with OpenCPN also for back up.  I have Navionics USA 
> on my iPhone.
>  
> I have the latest edition of MapTech's regional chartkit.  Great paper chart 
> compilation if available for your region.
>  
> If I was budget limited, I'd probably go with the tablet with OpenCPN or 
> Navionics or a used Garmin 182 and a chartkit.
>  
> In my opinion, paper charts are great if you can plot your position from and 
> old text only GPS rapidly.  Otherwise a chartplotter is the way to go.  
>  
> There are reasonable priced GPS units with few features available.  There are 
> lots of used ones on eBay.
>  
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>  
> On Sep 16, 2017 9:30 PM, "Chris Hobson via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
> wrote:
> We’re in Vancouver BC, Georgia Straight can get foggy, tides come and go and 
> we’re new at this. We have no GPS on our new to us 1981 C 30 and very 
> little in the way of navigation other than dead reckoning, basic familiarity 
> with the area and a compass at the helm. It’s fun because it’s like we just 
> purchased a 1981 C and technology isn’t around yet. However every sail is a 
> guessing game and I’d like to hear what others use for costal navigation. 
> Whether it’s real tangible maps, a GPS system you swear by or an iPad with 
> some software curious to hear what other C owners use to get find their way.
>  
> Chris Hobson
> S/V Going
> 1980 C MKI
> Hull 615
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Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Denis,

If you keep the GPS without the batteries, it would take longer to get the 
first fix. Since the 76 is a fairly old device (I have a 76s for 12 years; if I 
remember, it has only 24 MB of memory!) that first fix can take 15 minutes.

There is always a compromise.

Marek


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Cc: Dennis C. <capt...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

Wow!  A wide range of answers in this thread.

I have a Garmin 128 (text only display) below at the navstation, a 5 inch 
charplotter at the helm.  The two are connected to a switch which feeds the 
instruments, autosteerer and VHF (with AIS receive capability).  One of the 
units is always "active".

I keep a Garmin 76 handheld in the navstation with fresh batteries in a plastic 
bag.  Do not store batteries in the GPS.

I have a Samsung tablet with OpenCPN also for back up.  I have Navionics USA on 
my iPhone.

I have the latest edition of MapTech's regional chartkit.  Great paper chart 
compilation if available for your region.

If I was budget limited, I'd probably go with the tablet with OpenCPN or 
Navionics or a used Garmin 182 and a chartkit.

In my opinion, paper charts are great if you can plot your position from and 
old text only GPS rapidly.  Otherwise a chartplotter is the way to go.

There are reasonable priced GPS units with few features available.  There are 
lots of used ones on eBay.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Sep 16, 2017 9:30 PM, "Chris Hobson via CnC-List" 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
We’re in Vancouver BC, Georgia Straight can get foggy, tides come and go and 
we’re new at this. We have no GPS on our new to us 1981 C 30 and very little 
in the way of navigation other than dead reckoning, basic familiarity with the 
area and a compass at the helm. It’s fun because it’s like we just purchased a 
1981 C and technology isn’t around yet. However every sail is a guessing game 
and I’d like to hear what others use for costal navigation. Whether it’s real 
tangible maps, a GPS system you swear by or an iPad with some software curious 
to hear what other C owners use to get find their way.

Chris Hobson
S/V Going
1980 C MKI
Hull 615



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Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Wow!  A wide range of answers in this thread.

I have a Garmin 128 (text only display) below at the navstation, a 5 inch
charplotter at the helm.  The two are connected to a switch which feeds the
instruments, autosteerer and VHF (with AIS receive capability).  One of the
units is always "active".

I keep a Garmin 76 handheld in the navstation with fresh batteries in a
plastic bag.  Do not store batteries in the GPS.

I have a Samsung tablet with OpenCPN also for back up.  I have Navionics
USA on my iPhone.

I have the latest edition of MapTech's regional chartkit.  Great paper
chart compilation if available for your region.

If I was budget limited, I'd probably go with the tablet with OpenCPN or
Navionics or a used Garmin 182 and a chartkit.

In my opinion, paper charts are great if you can plot your position from
and old text only GPS rapidly.  Otherwise a chartplotter is the way to go.

There are reasonable priced GPS units with few features available.  There
are lots of used ones on eBay.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Sep 16, 2017 9:30 PM, "Chris Hobson via CnC-List" 
wrote:

We’re in Vancouver BC, Georgia Straight can get foggy, tides come and go
and we’re new at this. We have no GPS on our new to us 1981 C 30 and very
little in the way of navigation other than dead reckoning, basic
familiarity with the area and a compass at the helm. It’s fun because it’s
like we just purchased a 1981 C and technology isn’t around yet. However
every sail is a guessing game and I’d like to hear what others use for
costal navigation. Whether it’s real tangible maps, a GPS system you swear
by or an iPad with some software curious to hear what other C owners use
to get find their way.

Chris Hobson
S/V Going
1980 C MKI
Hull 615



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Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

[Persuasion37 via CnC-List]

Agreed, however I've been boarded and inspected by 3 different countries and 
have never been asked to show any charts of any type.  In this day and age I 
doubt anyone would take exception to anyone not carrying paper charts.

Mike
PERSUASION
C 37 K/CB
Long Sault

> On Sep 17, 2017, at 12:22 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Paper charts are still required by the authorities.  Only the most expensive 
> and largest military and commercial vessels have qualified electronic charts. 
>  Our "chartplotters" don't count.
> 
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
> 
> On Sep 17, 2017 12:09 PM, "Patrick H. Wesley via CnC-List" 
>  wrote:
> Always have paper charts for a number of reasons. Also make sure you have at 
> least a radar reflector!  Patrick Wesley 
> 
> On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 9:04 AM David Kaseler via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
>> Chris,
>> Wow. Things can get pretty complicated. 
>> We have been sailing around Puget Sound including the Georgia Strait for 40 
>> years. We have a small Garmin GPS below at the nav station. The important 
>> navigation tools for us are my paper charts, parallel rules, dividers, a 
>> plastic speed distance time calculator (I forget what they call it), depth 
>> sounder and compass. We have a knot meter but are more apt to rely on the 
>> GPS for speed because of the strong currents in our area. We also have an 
>> old hand held GPS which we mount on a bracket on the stern pulpit which we 
>> got from a bike store but we hardly ever use it. 
>> If there is heavy fog we try to stay in port but if we get caught out we 
>> stay far from shipping lanes, and rely heavily on depth sounding contours, 
>> listen for fog horns and sound ours. 
>> Sure it would be nice to have radar and all the rest but these are not in 
>> our budget and provide unwarranted confidence and encourage one to go out 
>> when it would be prudent to stay in port.
>> Just my thoughts. This works for us.
>> Dave. Kaseler
>> 1975 C 33 
>> SLY
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Sep 16, 2017, at 6:29 PM, Chris Hobson via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> We’re in Vancouver BC, Georgia Straight can get foggy, tides come and go 
>>> and we’re new at this. We have no GPS on our new to us 1981 C 30 and very 
>>> little in the way of navigation other than dead reckoning, basic 
>>> familiarity with the area and a compass at the helm. It’s fun because it’s 
>>> like we just purchased a 1981 C and technology isn’t around yet. However 
>>> every sail is a guessing game and I’d like to hear what others use for 
>>> costal navigation. Whether it’s real tangible maps, a GPS system you swear 
>>> by or an iPad with some software curious to hear what other C owners use 
>>> to get find their way.
>>> 
>>> Chris Hobson
>>> S/V Going
>>> 1980 C MKI
>>> Hull 615
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

[Neil Gallagher via CnC-List]

Josh,

I'll second the recommendation of the 182C, I had almost the same, a 
192C, until last summer when it suddenly died.  I really liked having it 
on the aft deck house bulkhead were skipper and crew can see and use it. 
   I've replaced it with a Garmin echoMap 54dv, which is pretty much an 
updated version, however, they've made the text size of the numbers 
showing speed, course, etc, so small that it's impossible to see from 
the helm.  (No, it's not just my aging eyes).  Only by connecting 
the data from the GPS to my Tacktick dual display am I able to read the 
data from the helm.  Not sure what Garmin was thinking, as I don't see 
any way to reformat the display text.


Neil Gallagher
Weatherly, 35-1
Glen Cove, NY


On 9/17/2017 10:59 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List wrote:
Our boat came with a Garmin 182C and we've been exceedingly happy with 
its capabilities.  This is our primary navigation device and is used 
100%of the time.  Everything else is a backup or augmentation to this 
device.  They can be found for pretty cheap on ebay and had the option 
of an integrated gps antenna.  No need to wire anymore than +12v and 
ground.  You'll need the blue chart card for your area... For some 
areas the cards are readily available and cheap.  Other areas can be 
rare and expensive.


We also keep MX Mariner on our phones with an Active Captain account 
synchronized for points of interest. MX mariner charts are 
free/updates are regular and free too.


I have assembled an OpenPlotter and installed it on the boat.  It 
works and uses OpenCPN to display charts. Since I'm using the 
OpenPlotter as a headless device I also have a laptop (running 
Navigatrix) which also has OpenCPN installed.  The great thing about 
OpenCPN is that it is free and the charts are free.  OpenPlotter, 
OpenCPN and Navigatrix are all open source software so they are free.  
The charts for OpenCPN are available for free download from NOAA and 
have regular updates.


https://youtu.be/C9DKu0P7-tM

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Sep 16, 2017 9:30 PM, "Chris Hobson via CnC-List" 
> wrote:


We're in Vancouver BC, Georgia Straight can get foggy, tides come
and go and we're new at this. We have no GPS on our new to us 1981
C 30 and very little in the way of navigation other than dead
reckoning, basic familiarity with the area and a compass at the
helm. It's fun because it's like we just purchased a 1981 C and
technology isn't around yet. However every sail is a guessing game
and I'd like to hear what others use for costal navigation.
Whether it's real tangible maps, a GPS system you swear by or an
iPad with some software curious to hear what other C owners use
to get find their way.

Chris Hobson
S/V Going
1980 C MKI
Hull 615



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Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Even the ones that NOAA gives away aren't officially authorized for
navigation.  The exception is when a certified chart printer is used to
print the charts from the free files.  Obviously there is a charge for such
services.

Josh



On Sep 17, 2017 12:18 PM, "Persuasion37 via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
wrote:

> Let's not forget us Canadians do not give away free charts.
>
> Mike
> PERSUASION
> C 37 K/CB
> Long Sault
>
> On Sep 17, 2017, at 10:33 AM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> On or first boat, an oday 22, I used water repellant paper charts.  These
> were fine as we didn't really go very far.  When we moved up to a 33 foot I
> got a sitex 7 inch for 1/2 the cost of a raymarine and it worked great.  We
> now have all Raymarine.
>
> That being said,  I think the navionics app on your smartphone is a great
> place to start.
>
> If you are just daysailing the same limited area for now, you should at
> least be studying the paper charts, all are available on line for free, to
> see what your obstacles are and then try to identify where they in the real
> world so you can stay away from them.  Otherwise, you may just find some
> the hard way!
>
> Danny
>
>
>
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
>
>  Original message 
> From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Date: 9/17/17 9:14 AM (GMT-05:00)
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Edd Schillay <e...@schillay.com>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is
> none
>
> Chris,
>
> Up until last year, we had a Garmin GPSMap 2006C at the helm. We are now
> running with a Raymarine e97, which also interfaces with the autopilot and,
> eventually, other instruments (wind, speed, depth).
>
> On the e97, we have downloaded to raster charts, vector charts, c-map, and
> Navionics Platinum which does point-to-point auto-routing, based on the
> boat data (beam, draft, mast height) that you plug in.
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
> ---
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> Captain of the Starship Enterprise
> C 37+
> Sail Number: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, New York
> ---
> 914.774.9767 <(914)%20774-9767>   | Mobile
> ---
> Sent via iPhone 7
> iPhone. iTypos. iApologize
>
>
> On Sep 16, 2017, at 9:29 PM, Chris Hobson via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> We’re in Vancouver BC, Georgia Straight can get foggy, tides come and go
> and we’re new at this. We have no GPS on our new to us 1981 C 30 and very
> little in the way of navigation other than dead reckoning, basic
> familiarity with the area and a compass at the helm. It’s fun because it’s
> like we just purchased a 1981 C and technology isn’t around yet. However
> every sail is a guessing game and I’d like to hear what others use for
> costal navigation. Whether it’s real tangible maps, a GPS system you swear
> by or an iPad with some software curious to hear what other C owners use
> to get find their way.
>
> Chris Hobson
> S/V Going
> 1980 C MKI
> Hull 615
>
>
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Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Paper charts are still required by the authorities.  Only the most
expensive and largest military and commercial vessels have qualified
electronic charts.  Our "chartplotters" don't count.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Sep 17, 2017 12:09 PM, "Patrick H. Wesley via CnC-List" <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

Always have paper charts for a number of reasons. Also make sure you have
at least a radar reflector!  Patrick Wesley

On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 9:04 AM David Kaseler via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Chris,
> Wow. Things can get pretty complicated.
> We have been sailing around Puget Sound including the Georgia Strait for
> 40 years. We have a small Garmin GPS below at the nav station. The
> important navigation tools for us are my paper charts, parallel rules,
> dividers, a plastic speed distance time calculator (I forget what they call
> it), depth sounder and compass. We have a knot meter but are more apt to
> rely on the GPS for speed because of the strong currents in our area. We
> also have an old hand held GPS which we mount on a bracket on the stern
> pulpit which we got from a bike store but we hardly ever use it.
> If there is heavy fog we try to stay in port but if we get caught out we
> stay far from shipping lanes, and rely heavily on depth sounding contours,
> listen for fog horns and sound ours.
> Sure it would be nice to have radar and all the rest but these are not in
> our budget and provide unwarranted confidence and encourage one to go out
> when it would be prudent to stay in port.
> Just my thoughts. This works for us.
> Dave. Kaseler
> 1975 C 33
> SLY
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Sep 16, 2017, at 6:29 PM, Chris Hobson via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> We’re in Vancouver BC, Georgia Straight can get foggy, tides come and go
> and we’re new at this. We have no GPS on our new to us 1981 C 30 and very
> little in the way of navigation other than dead reckoning, basic
> familiarity with the area and a compass at the helm. It’s fun because it’s
> like we just purchased a 1981 C and technology isn’t around yet. However
> every sail is a guessing game and I’d like to hear what others use for
> costal navigation. Whether it’s real tangible maps, a GPS system you swear
> by or an iPad with some software curious to hear what other C owners use
> to get find their way.
>
> Chris Hobson
> S/V Going
> 1980 C MKI
> Hull 615
>
>
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Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

[Persuasion37 via CnC-List]

Patrick

What's your sailing radius.  Paper charts are heavy and take up a lot of space. 
 I was once told the paper charts to go from Toronto to St. John's weighed 60 
lbs.  Heck our coast guards don't use paper any more.

Been paperless and happy for at least 5 years.  

Mike
PERSUASION
C 37 K/CB
Long Sault

> On Sep 17, 2017, at 12:08 PM, Patrick H. Wesley via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Always have paper charts for a number of reasons. Also make sure you have at 
> least a radar reflector!  Patrick Wesley 
> 
>> On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 9:04 AM David Kaseler via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> Chris,
>> Wow. Things can get pretty complicated. 
>> We have been sailing around Puget Sound including the Georgia Strait for 40 
>> years. We have a small Garmin GPS below at the nav station. The important 
>> navigation tools for us are my paper charts, parallel rules, dividers, a 
>> plastic speed distance time calculator (I forget what they call it), depth 
>> sounder and compass. We have a knot meter but are more apt to rely on the 
>> GPS for speed because of the strong currents in our area. We also have an 
>> old hand held GPS which we mount on a bracket on the stern pulpit which we 
>> got from a bike store but we hardly ever use it. 
>> If there is heavy fog we try to stay in port but if we get caught out we 
>> stay far from shipping lanes, and rely heavily on depth sounding contours, 
>> listen for fog horns and sound ours. 
>> Sure it would be nice to have radar and all the rest but these are not in 
>> our budget and provide unwarranted confidence and encourage one to go out 
>> when it would be prudent to stay in port.
>> Just my thoughts. This works for us.
>> Dave. Kaseler
>> 1975 C 33 
>> SLY
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Sep 16, 2017, at 6:29 PM, Chris Hobson via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> We’re in Vancouver BC, Georgia Straight can get foggy, tides come and go 
>>> and we’re new at this. We have no GPS on our new to us 1981 C 30 and very 
>>> little in the way of navigation other than dead reckoning, basic 
>>> familiarity with the area and a compass at the helm. It’s fun because it’s 
>>> like we just purchased a 1981 C and technology isn’t around yet. However 
>>> every sail is a guessing game and I’d like to hear what others use for 
>>> costal navigation. Whether it’s real tangible maps, a GPS system you swear 
>>> by or an iPad with some software curious to hear what other C owners use 
>>> to get find their way.
>>> 
>>> Chris Hobson
>>> S/V Going
>>> 1980 C MKI
>>> Hull 615
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ___
>>> 
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>>> wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to:  
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Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

[Persuasion37 via CnC-List]

Let's not forget us Canadians do not give away free charts.

Mike
PERSUASION
C 37 K/CB
Long Sault

> On Sep 17, 2017, at 10:33 AM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
> On or first boat, an oday 22, I used water repellant paper charts.  These 
> were fine as we didn't really go very far.  When we moved up to a 33 foot I 
> got a sitex 7 inch for 1/2 the cost of a raymarine and it worked great.  We 
> now have all Raymarine.  
> 
> That being said,  I think the navionics app on your smartphone is a great 
> place to start.   
> 
> If you are just daysailing the same limited area for now, you should at least 
> be studying the paper charts, all are available on line for free, to see what 
> your obstacles are and then try to identify where they in the real world so 
> you can stay away from them.  Otherwise, you may just find some the hard way! 
> 
> Danny
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Date: 9/17/17 9:14 AM (GMT-05:00)
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Edd Schillay <e...@schillay.com>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none
> 
> Chris,
> 
> Up until last year, we had a Garmin GPSMap 2006C at the helm. We are now 
> running with a Raymarine e97, which also interfaces with the autopilot and, 
> eventually, other instruments (wind, speed, depth). 
> 
> On the e97, we have downloaded to raster charts, vector charts, c-map, and 
> Navionics Platinum which does point-to-point auto-routing, based on the boat 
> data (beam, draft, mast height) that you plug in. 
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Edd
> 
> ---
> Edd M. Schillay
> Captain of the Starship Enterprise 
> C 37+ 
> Sail Number: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, New York
> ---
> 914.774.9767   | Mobile
> ---
> Sent via iPhone 7
> iPhone. iTypos. iApologize
> 
> 
> On Sep 16, 2017, at 9:29 PM, Chris Hobson via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
> We’re in Vancouver BC, Georgia Straight can get foggy, tides come and go and 
> we’re new at this. We have no GPS on our new to us 1981 C 30 and very 
> little in the way of navigation other than dead reckoning, basic familiarity 
> with the area and a compass at the helm. It’s fun because it’s like we just 
> purchased a 1981 C and technology isn’t around yet. However every sail is a 
> guessing game and I’d like to hear what others use for costal navigation. 
> Whether it’s real tangible maps, a GPS system you swear by or an iPad with 
> some software curious to hear what other C owners use to get find their way.
> 
> Chris Hobson
> S/V Going
> 1980 C MKI
> Hull 615
> 
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Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

[Patrick H. Wesley via CnC-List]

Always have paper charts for a number of reasons. Also make sure you have
at least a radar reflector!  Patrick Wesley

On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 9:04 AM David Kaseler via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Chris,
> Wow. Things can get pretty complicated.
> We have been sailing around Puget Sound including the Georgia Strait for
> 40 years. We have a small Garmin GPS below at the nav station. The
> important navigation tools for us are my paper charts, parallel rules,
> dividers, a plastic speed distance time calculator (I forget what they call
> it), depth sounder and compass. We have a knot meter but are more apt to
> rely on the GPS for speed because of the strong currents in our area. We
> also have an old hand held GPS which we mount on a bracket on the stern
> pulpit which we got from a bike store but we hardly ever use it.
> If there is heavy fog we try to stay in port but if we get caught out we
> stay far from shipping lanes, and rely heavily on depth sounding contours,
> listen for fog horns and sound ours.
> Sure it would be nice to have radar and all the rest but these are not in
> our budget and provide unwarranted confidence and encourage one to go out
> when it would be prudent to stay in port.
> Just my thoughts. This works for us.
> Dave. Kaseler
> 1975 C 33
> SLY
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Sep 16, 2017, at 6:29 PM, Chris Hobson via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> We’re in Vancouver BC, Georgia Straight can get foggy, tides come and go
> and we’re new at this. We have no GPS on our new to us 1981 C 30 and very
> little in the way of navigation other than dead reckoning, basic
> familiarity with the area and a compass at the helm. It’s fun because it’s
> like we just purchased a 1981 C and technology isn’t around yet. However
> every sail is a guessing game and I’d like to hear what others use for
> costal navigation. Whether it’s real tangible maps, a GPS system you swear
> by or an iPad with some software curious to hear what other C owners use
> to get find their way.
>
> Chris Hobson
> S/V Going
> 1980 C MKI
> Hull 615
>
>
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Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

[David Kaseler via CnC-List]

Chris,
Wow. Things can get pretty complicated. 
We have been sailing around Puget Sound including the Georgia Strait for 40 
years. We have a small Garmin GPS below at the nav station. The important 
navigation tools for us are my paper charts, parallel rules, dividers, a 
plastic speed distance time calculator (I forget what they call it), depth 
sounder and compass. We have a knot meter but are more apt to rely on the GPS 
for speed because of the strong currents in our area. We also have an old hand 
held GPS which we mount on a bracket on the stern pulpit which we got from a 
bike store but we hardly ever use it. 
If there is heavy fog we try to stay in port but if we get caught out we stay 
far from shipping lanes, and rely heavily on depth sounding contours, listen 
for fog horns and sound ours. 
Sure it would be nice to have radar and all the rest but these are not in our 
budget and provide unwarranted confidence and encourage one to go out when it 
would be prudent to stay in port.
Just my thoughts. This works for us.
Dave. Kaseler
1975 C 33 
SLY


Sent from my iPad

> On Sep 16, 2017, at 6:29 PM, Chris Hobson via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> We’re in Vancouver BC, Georgia Straight can get foggy, tides come and go and 
> we’re new at this. We have no GPS on our new to us 1981 C 30 and very 
> little in the way of navigation other than dead reckoning, basic familiarity 
> with the area and a compass at the helm. It’s fun because it’s like we just 
> purchased a 1981 C and technology isn’t around yet. However every sail is a 
> guessing game and I’d like to hear what others use for costal navigation. 
> Whether it’s real tangible maps, a GPS system you swear by or an iPad with 
> some software curious to hear what other C owners use to get find their way.
> 
> Chris Hobson
> S/V Going
> 1980 C MKI
> Hull 615
> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Our boat came with a Garmin 182C and we've been exceedingly happy with its
capabilities.  This is our primary navigation device and is used 100%of the
time.  Everything else is a backup or augmentation to this device.  They
can be found for pretty cheap on ebay and had the option of an integrated
gps antenna.  No need to wire anymore than +12v and ground.  You'll need
the blue chart card for your area... For some areas the cards are readily
available and cheap.  Other areas can be rare and expensive.

We also keep MX Mariner on our phones with an Active Captain account
synchronized for points of interest.  MX mariner charts are free/updates
are regular and free too.

I have assembled an OpenPlotter and installed it on the boat.  It works and
uses OpenCPN to display charts.  Since I'm using the OpenPlotter as a
headless device I also have a laptop (running Navigatrix) which also has
OpenCPN installed.  The great thing about OpenCPN is that it is free and
the charts are free.  OpenPlotter, OpenCPN and Navigatrix are all open
source software so they are free.  The charts for OpenCPN are available for
free download from NOAA and have regular updates.

https://youtu.be/C9DKu0P7-tM

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Sep 16, 2017 9:30 PM, "Chris Hobson via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> We’re in Vancouver BC, Georgia Straight can get foggy, tides come and go
> and we’re new at this. We have no GPS on our new to us 1981 C 30 and very
> little in the way of navigation other than dead reckoning, basic
> familiarity with the area and a compass at the helm. It’s fun because it’s
> like we just purchased a 1981 C and technology isn’t around yet. However
> every sail is a guessing game and I’d like to hear what others use for
> costal navigation. Whether it’s real tangible maps, a GPS system you swear
> by or an iPad with some software curious to hear what other C owners use
> to get find their way.
>
> Chris Hobson
> S/V Going
> 1980 C MKI
> Hull 615
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

On or first boat, an oday 22, I used water repellant paper charts.  These were 
fine as we didn't really go very far.  When we moved up to a 33 foot I got a 
sitex 7 inch for 1/2 the cost of a raymarine and it worked great.  We now have 
all Raymarine.  
That being said,  I think the navionics app on your smartphone is a great place 
to start.   
If you are just daysailing the same limited area for now, you should at least 
be studying the paper charts, all are available on line for free, to see what 
your obstacles are and then try to identify where they in the real world so you 
can stay away from them.  Otherwise, you may just find some the hard way! 
Danny


Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
 Original message From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Date: 9/17/17  9:14 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Edd Schillay <e...@schillay.com> Subject: Re: 
Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none 
Chris,
Up until last year, we had a Garmin GPSMap 2006C at the helm. We are now 
running with a Raymarine e97, which also interfaces with the autopilot and, 
eventually, other instruments (wind, speed, depth). 
On the e97, we have downloaded to raster charts, vector charts, c-map, and 
Navionics Platinum which does point-to-point auto-routing, based on the boat 
data (beam, draft, mast height) that you plug in. 

All the best,
Edd
---Edd M. SchillayCaptain of the Starship 
Enterprise C 37+ Sail Number: NCC-1701-BCity Island, New 
York---914.774.9767   | 
Mobile---Sent via iPhone 7iPhone. iTypos. 
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On Sep 16, 2017, at 9:29 PM, Chris Hobson via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
wrote:

We’re in Vancouver BC, Georgia Straight can get foggy, tides come and go and 
we’re new at this. We have no GPS on our new to us 1981 C 30 and very little 
in the way of navigation other than dead reckoning, basic familiarity with the 
area and a compass at the helm. It’s fun because it’s like we just purchased a 
1981 C and technology isn’t around yet. However every sail is a guessing game 
and I’d like to hear what others use for costal navigation. Whether it’s real 
tangible maps, a GPS system you swear by or an iPad with some software curious 
to hear what other C owners use to get find their way.

Chris HobsonS/V Going1980 C MKIHull 615



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Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Chris,

Up until last year, we had a Garmin GPSMap 2006C at the helm. We are now 
running with a Raymarine e97, which also interfaces with the autopilot and, 
eventually, other instruments (wind, speed, depth). 

On the e97, we have downloaded to raster charts, vector charts, c-map, and 
Navionics Platinum which does point-to-point auto-routing, based on the boat 
data (beam, draft, mast height) that you plug in. 

All the best,

Edd

---
Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the Starship Enterprise 
C 37+ 
Sail Number: NCC-1701-B
City Island, New York
---
914.774.9767   | Mobile
---
Sent via iPhone 7
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On Sep 16, 2017, at 9:29 PM, Chris Hobson via CnC-List  
wrote:

We’re in Vancouver BC, Georgia Straight can get foggy, tides come and go and 
we’re new at this. We have no GPS on our new to us 1981 C 30 and very little 
in the way of navigation other than dead reckoning, basic familiarity with the 
area and a compass at the helm. It’s fun because it’s like we just purchased a 
1981 C and technology isn’t around yet. However every sail is a guessing game 
and I’d like to hear what others use for costal navigation. Whether it’s real 
tangible maps, a GPS system you swear by or an iPad with some software curious 
to hear what other C owners use to get find their way.

Chris Hobson
S/V Going
1980 C MKI
Hull 615


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Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

[Persuasion37 via CnC-List]

Chris

You've received lots of good advise.  One recommendation I would make is get 
Garmin Blue Charts then become an Active Captain member and download the data 
base.  I found Active Captain invaluable on our cruise to the Bahamas and back.

I use android tablet at the helm with Navionics, iPad with Garmin as back up.  
In the salon I use radar with cmap cards (old school), laptop running 
SailCruiser (cmap charts) with integrated AIS transceiver connect to ST60 
autopilot.

Mike
PERSUASION
C 37 K/CB
Long Sault

> On Sep 16, 2017, at 9:29 PM, Chris Hobson via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> We’re in Vancouver BC, Georgia Straight can get foggy, tides come and go and 
> we’re new at this. We have no GPS on our new to us 1981 C 30 and very 
> little in the way of navigation other than dead reckoning, basic familiarity 
> with the area and a compass at the helm. It’s fun because it’s like we just 
> purchased a 1981 C and technology isn’t around yet. However every sail is a 
> guessing game and I’d like to hear what others use for costal navigation. 
> Whether it’s real tangible maps, a GPS system you swear by or an iPad with 
> some software curious to hear what other C owners use to get find their way.
> 
> Chris Hobson
> S/V Going
> 1980 C MKI
> Hull 615
> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

An older Garmin 292 mounted at the helm, a (handheld) Garmin 76Csx in a
stand with power cable at the nav table. PC Laptop (with a Garmin GPS 20x)
running Garmin nRoute (or something else) at the nav when we're doing
serious multi-day cruising.  A Furuno GPS (old school, not a plotter) at
the nav table as well.

Like Jim, Most days, it's just the 292.

Ken Heaton & Anne Tobin
S/V Salazar - Can 54955
C 37/40 XL - Hull # 67
Cape Breton Island, Nova Scotia


On 16 September 2017 at 22:29, Chris Hobson via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> We’re in Vancouver BC, Georgia Straight can get foggy, tides come and go
> and we’re new at this. We have no GPS on our new to us 1981 C 30 and very
> little in the way of navigation other than dead reckoning, basic
> familiarity with the area and a compass at the helm. It’s fun because it’s
> like we just purchased a 1981 C and technology isn’t around yet. However
> every sail is a guessing game and I’d like to hear what others use for
> costal navigation. Whether it’s real tangible maps, a GPS system you swear
> by or an iPad with some software curious to hear what other C owners use
> to get find their way.
>
> Chris Hobson
> S/V Going
> 1980 C MKI
> Hull 615
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

I have – 

OpenCPN on a laptop below.

Standard-Horizon CP180 at the helm

Navionics on the iPhone

AIS

 

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com <mailto:j...@dellabarba.com> 

Coquina C 35 MK I

 

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Cc: Jim Watts <paradigmat...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

 

Garmin 276C at the helm, Garmin 182C at the nav table, radar at the nav. PC 
running OpenCPN at the nav when we're doing serious multi-day cruising, GPS 
antenna hidden behind panels. Android phone running Navionics. Spare GPS in the 
ditch bag. 

Most days, it's just the 276C. Navionics on the phone is the cost winner, hands 
down. 




Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC

 

On 16 September 2017 at 18:29, Chris Hobson via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

We’re in Vancouver BC, Georgia Straight can get foggy, tides come and go and 
we’re new at this. We have no GPS on our new to us 1981 C 30 and very little 
in the way of navigation other than dead reckoning, basic familiarity with the 
area and a compass at the helm. It’s fun because it’s like we just purchased a 
1981 C and technology isn’t around yet. However every sail is a guessing game 
and I’d like to hear what others use for costal navigation. Whether it’s real 
tangible maps, a GPS system you swear by or an iPad with some software curious 
to hear what other C owners use to get find their way.

 

Chris Hobson

S/V Going

1980 C MKI

Hull 615

 

 


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Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Chris,

A handheld GPS, as probably a minimum.

There are very cost effective smallish chart plotters that you can get for 
about $500 (or $750 with maps).

I like Garmin, as I have a long history with their devices. A GPSMAP 78s as a 
handheld (a lot of older maps work on that model). Something like echoMAP 55cv 
as a minimalist’s chart plotter.

If I were sailing around the Vancouver and Vancouver Island, I would make sure 
that I have full access to map updates (buy a subscription).

A tablet with Navionics may be of help, but I don’t believe that any tablet 
works even close to well compared to a dedicated marine chart plotter (when 
considering the wet or sunny environment). If you will only use it down below, 
they should work well.

OpenCPN is a great option, if you have the stomach to learn how to install it 
and maintain it.

Having said all that, if you are serious about navigating there, you may want 
to think of a comprehensive instrumentation (multiple devices working together 
over a NMEA network). For help with that ask Fred (and follow his advice).

Marek

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Subject: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

We’re in Vancouver BC, Georgia Straight can get foggy, tides come and go and 
we’re new at this. We have no GPS on our new to us 1981 C 30 and very little 
in the way of navigation other than dead reckoning, basic familiarity with the 
area and a compass at the helm. It’s fun because it’s like we just purchased a 
1981 C and technology isn’t around yet. However every sail is a guessing game 
and I’d like to hear what others use for costal navigation. Whether it’s real 
tangible maps, a GPS system you swear by or an iPad with some software curious 
to hear what other C owners use to get find their way.

Chris Hobson
S/V Going
1980 C MKI
Hull 615


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Re: Stus-List GPS, Chart Plodders and Technology when there is none

[Jim Watts via CnC-List]

Garmin 276C at the helm, Garmin 182C at the nav table, radar at the nav. PC
running OpenCPN at the nav when we're doing serious multi-day cruising, GPS
antenna hidden behind panels. Android phone running Navionics. Spare GPS in
the ditch bag.

Most days, it's just the 276C. Navionics on the phone is the cost winner,
hands down.

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC

On 16 September 2017 at 18:29, Chris Hobson via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> We’re in Vancouver BC, Georgia Straight can get foggy, tides come and go
> and we’re new at this. We have no GPS on our new to us 1981 C 30 and very
> little in the way of navigation other than dead reckoning, basic
> familiarity with the area and a compass at the helm. It’s fun because it’s
> like we just purchased a 1981 C and technology isn’t around yet. However
> every sail is a guessing game and I’d like to hear what others use for
> costal navigation. Whether it’s real tangible maps, a GPS system you swear
> by or an iPad with some software curious to hear what other C owners use
> to get find their way.
>
> Chris Hobson
> S/V Going
> 1980 C MKI
> Hull 615
>
>
>
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[Chris Hobson via CnC-List]

We’re in Vancouver BC, Georgia Straight can get foggy, tides come and go and 
we’re new at this. We have no GPS on our new to us 1981 C 30 and very little 
in the way of navigation other than dead reckoning, basic familiarity with the 
area and a compass at the helm. It’s fun because it’s like we just purchased a 
1981 C and technology isn’t around yet. However every sail is a guessing game 
and I’d like to hear what others use for costal navigation. Whether it’s real 
tangible maps, a GPS system you swear by or an iPad with some software curious 
to hear what other C owners use to get find their way.

Chris Hobson
S/V Going
1980 C MKI
Hull 615


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Re: Stus-List GPS waypoint conversions

[Ronald V Ricci via CnC-List]

GPS Babel may work.  It's a free download.  I no longer have it on my
laptop or I'd give it a try for you.  The program seemed to have a ton of
options.

Ron Ricci
S/V Patriot
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[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

I've been doing a bit of work transferring way points.  From many years of
transiting the Northern Gulf Coast, I've collected an extensive inventory
of "observed" way points.  Fellow sailors have requested some or all of my
collection of way points and routes.

Years ago, the Admiral and I manually captured the way points from the old
Garmin 128 text only GPS into an Excel file.  Wanted a quick way to be able
to move them to newer GPS units as friends, etc. ask for them.  One of the
popular transfer formats is a .gpx file.  I found this site:

http://www.gpsvisualizer.com/

Extremely easy to upload and convert a .xls file into a .gpx file.  Matter
of a second or two.

Not sure if it was necessary but my .xls file had the following column
labels:  "Name", "Latitude", "Longitude", "Type" (where type was way point,
anchorage, etc.).

One cool feature was, in addition to converting to .gpx, it can show the
way points on a Google Earth embed in the website.  Slick!  Helped me
visualize a particularly tricky route near some shoals.

There are probably other ways/sites but this one is so nice and easy I'm
not looking at others.

I used Garmin's Homeport program to tidy up and create routes.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List GPS

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

I have found that there are apps that appear to share this data according to 
users so it may be possible (Gaia GPS/Mudmap).  Dave

Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT



> On Apr 10, 2016, at 11:03 AM, Tim Goodyear via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
> You do not have to enable WiFi to share a personal hotspot from and iPhone; 
> you can use BT or USB instead.  I'm not sure whether it would then share 
> location information, but I'm interested to find out.
> 
> Tim
> 
> On Apr 10, 2016, at 10:21 AM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> 
>> If you set up a personal hotspot, you are enabling Wi-Fi, not BT. Normally, 
>> you won’t get location data, as this is not shared over Wi-Fi. Unless there 
>> is a special app that you would run on both sides.
>>  
>> Marek
>>  
>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com 
>> <mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>] On Behalf Of David Knecht via 
>> CnC-List
>> Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2016 10:05
>> To: CnC CnC discussion list <cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
>> <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
>> Cc: David Knecht <davidakne...@gmail.com <mailto:davidakne...@gmail.com>>
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS
>>  
>> If you set up a Personal Hotspot with your iPhone and bluetooth that to your 
>> non-GPS enabled iPad, will it share location data?  It appears possible from 
>> what I have read.  Dave
>>  
>> On Apr 4, 2016, at 10:00 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Jim — you can add an external GPS receiver like the Bad Elf via Bluetooth; 
>> then you’ll have the functionality you need without having to buy a 
>> cell-enabled iPad.  I’ve got one, and it works great.
>>  
>> http://www.amazon.com/Bad-Elf-2200-Black-silver/dp/B008VWNBBE/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8=1459778416=8-2=bad-elf+gps
>>  
>> <http://www.amazon.com/Bad-Elf-2200-Black-silver/dp/B008VWNBBE/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8=1459778416=8-2=bad-elf+gps>
>>  
>> — Fred
>> 
>> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
>> S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
>>  
>> On Apr 4, 2016, at 8:44 AM, Elizabeth McDonald via CnC-List 
>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
>>  
>> I should have qualified the question, we downloaded Navionics, our I pad 
>> does not have GPS, therefore, no ship icon!   Will it appear on this app, if 
>> we purchase this I pad with GPS, but without a phone plan!
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 4, 2016, at 10:11 AM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List 
>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> iPad with cellular, doesn't need a phone subscription for the GPS to work.
>> 
>> Steve
>> Suhana, C 32
>> Toronto
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Re: Stus-List GPS

[Patrick H. Wesley via CnC-List]

A couple of years ago I bought a Dual GPS (www.dualav.com) for around $C150
and it pairs with my non-cellular iPad and Navionics. I use this as a
back-up to my Garmin and it works very well. More sophisticated users might
find it a bit basic but it shows me where I am on the chart real-time.
Patrick Wesley, The Boat Sidney BC.

On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 7:04 AM, David Knecht via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> If you set up a Personal Hotspot with your iPhone and bluetooth that to
> your non-GPS enabled iPad, will it share location data?  It appears
> possible from what I have read.  Dave
>
> On Apr 4, 2016, at 10:00 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Jim — you can add an external GPS receiver like the Bad Elf via Bluetooth;
> then you’ll have the functionality you need without having to buy a
> cell-enabled iPad.  I’ve got one, and it works great.
>
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Bad-Elf-2200-Black-silver/dp/B008VWNBBE/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8=1459778416=8-2=bad-elf+gps
>
> — Fred
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
>
> On Apr 4, 2016, at 8:44 AM, Elizabeth McDonald via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> I should have qualified the question, we downloaded Navionics, our I pad
> does not have GPS, therefore, no ship icon!   Will it appear on this app,
> if we purchase this I pad with GPS, but without a phone plan!
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Apr 4, 2016, at 10:11 AM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> iPad with cellular, doesn't need a phone subscription for the GPS to work.
>
> Steve
> Suhana, C 32
> Toronto
>
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[James Nichols via CnC-List]

You want to attach your iPad using either WiFi or Bluetooth to your cellphone,  
not both.
Mobile devices use network assisted GPS, so you phone can share its GPS 
information with the iPad.  I do it with my iPad 2 and my cellphone.  There 
have been I few posts on how network assisted GPS works, so I won't repeat it 
all here.
But I will say, it's slower it acquire position when you aren't in range of a 
Internet connection. 
If you have a handheld GPS that supports Bluetooth or WiFi,  that would be the 
best way to provide reliable GPS to your iPad. 
I chose to go with an inexpensive NMEA 2000 GPS antenna and a NMEA to WiFi 
router as my solution.  Most NMEA to WiFi routers cost 500-600 but I found one 
on vyacht.com that after shipping was still less than 100.00.  It takes a 
little wiring know how,  but if you are into those types of projects it can be 
an awesomely reliable and accurate GPS system and also be expandable for other 
NMEA 2000 devices you might decide to add later, like a depth sounder or wind 
instruments. 
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[Tim Goodyear via CnC-List]

You do not have to enable WiFi to share a personal hotspot from and iPhone; you 
can use BT or USB instead.  I'm not sure whether it would then share location 
information, but I'm interested to find out.

Tim

> On Apr 10, 2016, at 10:21 AM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
> If you set up a personal hotspot, you are enabling Wi-Fi, not BT. Normally, 
> you won’t get location data, as this is not shared over Wi-Fi. Unless there 
> is a special app that you would run on both sides.
>  
> Marek
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David 
> Knecht via CnC-List
> Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2016 10:05
> To: CnC CnC discussion list <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Cc: David Knecht <davidakne...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS
>  
> If you set up a Personal Hotspot with your iPhone and bluetooth that to your 
> non-GPS enabled iPad, will it share location data?  It appears possible from 
> what I have read.  Dave
>  
> On Apr 4, 2016, at 10:00 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Jim — you can add an external GPS receiver like the Bad Elf via Bluetooth; 
> then you’ll have the functionality you need without having to buy a 
> cell-enabled iPad.  I’ve got one, and it works great.
>  
> http://www.amazon.com/Bad-Elf-2200-Black-silver/dp/B008VWNBBE/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8=1459778416=8-2=bad-elf+gps
>  
> — Fred
> 
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
>  
> On Apr 4, 2016, at 8:44 AM, Elizabeth McDonald via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>  
> I should have qualified the question, we downloaded Navionics, our I pad does 
> not have GPS, therefore, no ship icon!   Will it appear on this app, if we 
> purchase this I pad with GPS, but without a phone plan!
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> 
> On Apr 4, 2016, at 10:11 AM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
> iPad with cellular, doesn't need a phone subscription for the GPS to work.
> 
> Steve
> Suhana, C 32
> Toronto
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Re: Stus-List GPS

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

If you set up a personal hotspot, you are enabling Wi-Fi, not BT. Normally,
you won't get location data, as this is not shared over Wi-Fi. Unless there
is a special app that you would run on both sides.

 

Marek

 

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Knecht via CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2016 10:05
To: CnC CnC discussion list <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: David Knecht <davidakne...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS

 

If you set up a Personal Hotspot with your iPhone and bluetooth that to your
non-GPS enabled iPad, will it share location data?  It appears possible from
what I have read.  Dave

 

On Apr 4, 2016, at 10:00 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:





Jim - you can add an external GPS receiver like the Bad Elf via Bluetooth;
then you'll have the functionality you need without having to buy a
cell-enabled iPad.  I've got one, and it works great.

 

http://www.amazon.com/Bad-Elf-2200-Black-silver/dp/B008VWNBBE/ref=sr_1_2?ie=
UTF8
<http://www.amazon.com/Bad-Elf-2200-Black-silver/dp/B008VWNBBE/ref=sr_1_2?ie
=UTF8=1459778416=8-2=bad-elf+gps>
=1459778416=8-2=bad-elf+gps

 

- Fred


Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^( 

 

On Apr 4, 2016, at 8:44 AM, Elizabeth McDonald via CnC-List
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

 

I should have qualified the question, we downloaded Navionics, our I pad
does not have GPS, therefore, no ship icon!   Will it appear on this app, if
we purchase this I pad with GPS, but without a phone plan!

Sent from my iPad




On Apr 4, 2016, at 10:11 AM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

iPad with cellular, doesn't need a phone subscription for the GPS to work.

Steve
Suhana, C 32
Toronto

 

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Re: Stus-List GPS

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

If you set up a Personal Hotspot with your iPhone and bluetooth that to your 
non-GPS enabled iPad, will it share location data?  It appears possible from 
what I have read.  Dave

On Apr 4, 2016, at 10:00 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
 wrote:

> Jim — you can add an external GPS receiver like the Bad Elf via Bluetooth; 
> then you’ll have the functionality you need without having to buy a 
> cell-enabled iPad.  I’ve got one, and it works great.
> 
> http://www.amazon.com/Bad-Elf-2200-Black-silver/dp/B008VWNBBE/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8=1459778416=8-2=bad-elf+gps
> 
> — Fred
> 
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
> 
>> On Apr 4, 2016, at 8:44 AM, Elizabeth McDonald via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I should have qualified the question, we downloaded Navionics, our I pad 
>> does not have GPS, therefore, no ship icon!   Will it appear on this app, if 
>> we purchase this I pad with GPS, but without a phone plan!
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Apr 4, 2016, at 10:11 AM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> iPad with cellular, doesn't need a phone subscription for the GPS to work.
>>> 
>>> Steve
>>> Suhana, C 32
>>> Toronto
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Re: Stus-List GPS

[Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List]

The image of the one Fred sent out shows 1amp at top and 2.1amp at bottom
ports respectively. Looks like a very nice product for the $.

On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 4:40 PM Graham Collins via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I notice it doesn't say what amperage it runs.
>
> I've got one of these 
> down below, it will charge at 3.1 amps and will charge my Sony tablet with
> the GPS running, wi-fi and screen on.  Waterproof enough for down below, I
> took it apart to check the innards and they did conformal coat the circuit
> board, so it gets the Graham seal of approval.  More money though, Digikey
> lists it for $60 CAD (which is what, like $30 USD???)...
>
> Graham Collins
> Secret Plans
> C 35-III #11
>
> On 2016-04-04 6:57 PM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List wrote:
>
> There’s a new product out there for USB charging that looks well-built for
> the marine market:
>
>
> http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1%7C328%7C2289962%7C2779792=3149912
>
> Nicely priced, too.
>
> — Fred
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
>
> On Apr 4, 2016, at 4:40 PM, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> +1 for "high power" usb charging ports (i.e. 2+amps@5v as mentioned)
> +1 for Android Tablets. Can't beat the value IMO.
>
> I wired something like this
> 
>  waterproof
> motorcycle usb charger at our helm. It's been working great for 3+years
> with the caveat, that we sail in fresh water. I attached it to the
> underside of our teak drink holder (which slides onto the stainless
> binnacle), so it is partially protected from rain, but certainly not fully.
> I don't claim it to be the most bombproof solution, but the price and
> convenience have been great and we have another hard wired GPS at the helm
> and other charging options on board.[image: Exlight Add on Kit Waterproof
> Durable Double 5v USB Phone GPS Charging 12v Motorcycle Cigarette Lighter
> Integration Motorbike Power Port Socket Charger with Switch Handlebar
> Bracket Mount and Built in Fuse Black in Colour]
>
>
>
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[Graham Collins via CnC-List]

I notice it doesn't say what amperage it runs.

I've got one of these  
down below, it will charge at 3.1 amps and will charge my Sony tablet 
with the GPS running, wi-fi and screen on. Waterproof enough for down 
below, I took it apart to check the innards and they did conformal coat 
the circuit board, so it gets the Graham seal of approval.  More money 
though, Digikey lists it for $60 CAD (which is what, like $30 USD???)...


Graham Collins
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On 2016-04-04 6:57 PM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List wrote:
There’s a new product out there for USB charging that looks well-built 
for the marine market:


http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1%7C328%7C2289962%7C2779792=3149912

Nicely priced, too.

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

On Apr 4, 2016, at 4:40 PM, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List 
> wrote:


+1 for "high power" usb charging ports (i.e. 2+amps@5v as mentioned)
+1 for Android Tablets. Can't beat the value IMO.

I wired somethinglike this 
 waterproof 
motorcycle usb charger at our helm. It's been working great for 
3+years with the caveat, that we sail in fresh water. I attached it 
to the underside of our teak drink holder (which slides onto the 
stainless binnacle), so it is partially protected from rain, but 
certainly not fully. I don't claim it to be the most bombproof 
solution, but the price and convenience have been great and we have 
another hard wired GPS at the helm and other charging options on 
board.Exlight Add on Kit Waterproof Durable Double 5v USB Phone GPS 
Charging 12v Motorcycle Cigarette Lighter Integration Motorbike Power 
Port Socket Charger with Switch Handlebar Bracket Mount and Built in 
Fuse Black in Colour




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[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

There’s a new product out there for USB charging that looks well-built for the 
marine market:

http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1%7C328%7C2289962%7C2779792=3149912
 

Nicely priced, too.

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

> On Apr 4, 2016, at 4:40 PM, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> +1 for "high power" usb charging ports (i.e. 2+amps@5v as mentioned)
> +1 for Android Tablets. Can't beat the value IMO. 
> 
> I wired something like this 
> 
>  waterproof motorcycle usb charger at our helm. It's been working great for 
> 3+years with the caveat, that we sail in fresh water. I attached it to the 
> underside of our teak drink holder (which slides onto the stainless 
> binnacle), so it is partially protected from rain, but certainly not fully. I 
> don't claim it to be the most bombproof solution, but the price and 
> convenience have been great and we have another hard wired GPS at the helm 
> and other charging options on board.

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[Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List]

+1 for "high power" usb charging ports (i.e. 2+amps@5v as mentioned)
+1 for Android Tablets. Can't beat the value IMO.

I wired something like this
<http://www.amazon.com/Exlight-Waterproof-Motorcycle-Cigarette-Integration/dp/B00Y3CN8HS/ref=sr_1_8?s=fiona-hardware=UTF8=1459805620=8-8=motorcycle+usb+charger>
waterproof
motorcycle usb charger at our helm. It's been working great for 3+years
with the caveat, that we sail in fresh water. I attached it to the
underside of our teak drink holder (which slides onto the stainless
binnacle), so it is partially protected from rain, but certainly not fully.
I don't claim it to be the most bombproof solution, but the price and
convenience have been great and we have another hard wired GPS at the helm
and other charging options on board.[image: Exlight Add on Kit Waterproof
Durable Double 5v USB Phone GPS Charging 12v Motorcycle Cigarette Lighter
Integration Motorbike Power Port Socket Charger with Switch Handlebar
Bracket Mount and Built in Fuse Black in Colour]

On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 1:54 PM Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I was very disappointed when the first WiFi only iPad I bought did not
> include GPS capability.  I got a DUAL Bluetooth GPS puck and it works
> great.   Actually a much better GOPS that what is in any tablet as it
> samples many more satellites to establish your position.
>
> As for the iPad power issue, with Navionics, you can shut down the iPad to
> limit battery usage and the app will still track your route which
> eliminates most of the power drain, even if you don not have it plugged
> in.
>
> Tom B
>
> At 12:52 PM 4/4/2016, you wrote:
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 15:51:39 -0400
> From: "Marek Dziedzic \(hotmail\)" <dziedzi...@hotmail.com>
> To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS
> Message-ID: <blu407-eas181c3ff2a9f64e7335bcf13ce...@phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> That would be difficult ? there are too many.
>
> On the Apple side, it is easy ? you need GSM (cellular) enabled iPad (no
> cellular plan is needed), but the module is shared between the
> GSM(HSUPA/LTE) and GPS.
>
> On the Android side ? look for the specs. If it says GPS ? yes, it is
> good, if it says ? no, don?t buy it; if it says ?assisted GPS? don?t buy it
> , either, it means that it needs cellular signal to find itself.
>
> Marek
>
>
> From: Elizabeth McDonald via CnC-List
>
> Sent: Monday, April 4, 2016 08:33
> To: Robert Mazza via CnC-List
> Cc: Elizabeth McDonald
> Subject: Stus-List GPS
>
> Someone had posted a list of tablets that had GPS built in, that did not
> need phone service .  Could you list them again, please!
> Jim McDonald
>
> C 44
> Breakaweigh 1
> Saint John, NB
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
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[sthoma20--- via CnC-List]

Only some tablets have cellular network capability, and if they do not, then 
they are not likely to have GPS built in either. I bought a 10 inch Samsung Tab 
2 that has LTE capability, and it does work as a chart plotter, but only as 
good as the software down loaded. Hard to find cables for the Tab 2 by the way. 
The 30 pin connector is not the same as on the I-phone-pad stuff. 

I was disappointed that a tablet with LTE connectivity could not be used as a 
cell phone. That decision by the manufacturers is marketing, and not technical. 
Yeah I know there is Skype etc., but it would be handy to make regular phone 
calls with a headset and a large screen. 

Steve Thomas
C
Merritt Island, FL
 


 Bill Coleman via CnC-List  wrote: 
I was just poking around with an Ipad at Costco this weekend, a big one, at
least 13 inches.  This was not being sold through a Cell company.
I could not find any GPS in the settings.

Bill Coleman
C 39 Erie, PA




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[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

I was very disappointed when the first WiFi only iPad I bought did 
not include GPS capability.  I got a DUAL Bluetooth GPS puck and it 
works great.   Actually a much better GOPS that what is in any tablet 
as it samples many more satellites to establish your position.


As for the iPad power issue, with Navionics, you can shut down the 
iPad to limit battery usage and the app will still track your route 
which eliminates most of the power drain, even if you don not have it 
plugged in.


Tom B

At 12:52 PM 4/4/2016, you wrote:

Message: 4
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 15:51:39 -0400
From: "Marek Dziedzic \(hotmail\)" <dziedzi...@hotmail.com>
To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS
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That would be difficult ? there are too many.

On the Apple side, it is easy ? you need GSM (cellular) enabled iPad 
(no cellular plan is needed), but the module is shared between the 
GSM(HSUPA/LTE) and GPS.


On the Android side ? look for the specs. If it says GPS ? yes, it 
is good, if it says ? no, don?t buy it; if it says ?assisted GPS? 
don?t buy it , either, it means that it needs cellular signal to find itself.


Marek


From: Elizabeth McDonald via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, April 4, 2016 08:33
To: Robert Mazza via CnC-List
Cc: Elizabeth McDonald
Subject: Stus-List GPS

Someone had posted a list of tablets that had GPS built in, that did 
not need phone service .  Could you list them again, please!

Jim McDonald

C 44
Breakaweigh 1
Saint John, NB

Sent from my iPad


Tom Buscaglia
SV Alera
1990 C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
(206) 463-9200
www.sv-alera.com
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[Sam Salter via CnC-List]

  The GPS on the newer iPads sha‎re the cellular antenna. Hence the need to get the high end iPad with cellular (even if you don't intend to install a chip!)Not the case with the original iPad (although the GPS still only came with the high end pad)sam :-)C 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta From: Marek Dziedzic (hotmail) via CnC-ListSent: Monday, April 4, 2016 1:46 PMTo: cnc-list@cnc-list.comReply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.comCc: Marek Dziedzic (hotmail)Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS







Rick,
 
This is a bit of splitting hairs, but your statement is not entirely 
correct. You can easily have a cellular-enabled tablet without the GPS (even if 
it unlikely, especially lately), as much as you can have a Wi-Fi only tablet 
with GPS included.
 
However, for iPads (which by no means constitute the majority of tablets) 
that is true – if you have cellular-enabled iPad, you will get the GPS; if you 
don’t, you won’t.
 
Marek
 


 

From: Rick Brass via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, April 4, 2016 11:47
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Rick Brass 
Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS
 

Any tablet that is capable of getting cellular data must 
have an internal GPS, just like a cell phone. There does not need to be a 
cellular data link for the internal GPS to work.I'm sending this message 
on an older iPad that has never been connected to a cellular 
network.Rick BrassSent from my 
iPad


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[Marek Dziedzic (hotmail) via CnC-List]

That would be difficult – there are too many. 

On the Apple side, it is easy – you need GSM (cellular) enabled iPad (no 
cellular plan is needed), but the module is shared between the GSM(HSUPA/LTE) 
and GPS.

On the Android side – look for the specs. If it says GPS – yes, it is good, if 
it says – no, don’t buy it; if it says “assisted GPS” don’t buy it , either, it 
means that it needs cellular signal to find itself.

Marek


From: Elizabeth McDonald via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, April 4, 2016 08:33
To: Robert Mazza via CnC-List 
Cc: Elizabeth McDonald 
Subject: Stus-List GPS

Someone had posted a list of tablets that had GPS built in, that did not need 
phone service .  Could you list them again, please!
Jim McDonald

C 44
Breakaweigh 1
Saint John, NB

Sent from my iPad
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[Marek Dziedzic (hotmail) via CnC-List]

Rick,

This is a bit of splitting hairs, but your statement is not entirely correct. 
You can easily have a cellular-enabled tablet without the GPS (even if it 
unlikely, especially lately), as much as you can have a Wi-Fi only tablet with 
GPS included.

However, for iPads (which by no means constitute the majority of tablets) that 
is true – if you have cellular-enabled iPad, you will get the GPS; if you 
don’t, you won’t.

Marek


From: Rick Brass via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, April 4, 2016 11:47
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Rick Brass 
Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS

Any tablet that is capable of getting cellular data must have an internal GPS, 
just like a cell phone. There does not need to be a cellular data link for the 
internal GPS to work.

I'm sending this message on an older iPad that has never been connected to a 
cellular network.

Rick Brass

Sent from my iPad
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[Dreuge via CnC-List]

Hi,

I have use the IPad for navigation successfully for years.   Power consumption 
is not an issue as long as you use a proper usb 12V adapter/plug.  Many of the 
cheaper plugs provide 5V power at 1A or less.
Use a plug which provides power with at least 2A and there will be no problem 
of battery drain while using the iPad and charging.Not only will the iPad 
work fine, but you will also be able to charge your 
phone much faster too.


-
Paul E.
1981 C 38 Landfall 
S/V Johanna Rose
Carrabelle, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/

> On Apr 4, 2016, at 10:11 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
> 
> Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 09:10:45 -0500
> From: Jim Reinardy <firewa...@reinardy.us <mailto:firewa...@reinardy.us>>
> To: Frederick G Street via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS
> Message-ID: <bay403-eas3290fc9206d1e0a83132da6a1...@phx.gbl 
> <mailto:bay403-eas3290fc9206d1e0a83132da6a1...@phx.gbl>>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Elizabeth,
> 
> Steve is correct, you don?t need a data plan to use the GPS, but an iPad 
> won?t have the GPS hardware without the cellular capability.  However, my 
> experience is that the iPad battery drains quickly with the GPS on full time, 
> so Fred?s suggestion might be a better option for that reason.  I did a 
> charter last year on a boat without a good chartplotter so I used my iPad.  I 
> found that with the 12v system on that boat, I was losing charge even with 
> the iPad plugged in.  I had to shut it down to charge at times just to make 
> sure I had adequate battery for the depth challenged areas I was sailing in.  
> Without the GPS on, it charged just fine.
> 
> Jim Reinardy
> C 30-2 ?Firewater?
> Milwaukee, WI

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[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

Any tablet that is capable of getting cellular data must have an internal GPS, 
just like a cell phone. There does not need to be a cellular data link for the 
internal GPS to work.

I'm sending this message on an older iPad that has never been connected to a 
cellular network.

Rick Brass

Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 4, 2016, at 08:32, Elizabeth McDonald via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Someone had posted a list of tablets that had GPS built in, that did not need 
> phone service .  Could you list them again, please!
> Jim McDonald
> 
> C 44
> Breakaweigh 1
> Saint John, NB
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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I have a bad elf for my iPad mini – works great!

Paul Fountain
Perception II
1985 C 33-II k/cb
Port Credit Yacht Club

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson 
via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, April 4, 2016 9:52 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Joel Aronson <joel.aron...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS

You can probably add a GPS antenna with your existing IPad, or buy an IPad with 
a cellular antenna.  Either way, you will appear.

Joel

On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 9:44 AM, Elizabeth McDonald via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I should have qualified the question, we downloaded Navionics, our I pad does 
not have GPS, therefore, no ship icon!   Will it appear on this app, if we 
purchase this I pad with GPS, but without a phone plan!

Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 4, 2016, at 10:11 AM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
>
> iPad with cellular, doesn't need a phone subscription for the GPS to work.
>
> Steve
> Suhana, C 32
> Toronto
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[Jim Reinardy via CnC-List]

Elizabeth,

Steve is correct, you don’t need a data plan to use the GPS, but an iPad won’t 
have the GPS hardware without the cellular capability.  However, my experience 
is that the iPad battery drains quickly with the GPS on full time, so Fred’s 
suggestion might be a better option for that reason.  I did a charter last year 
on a boat without a good chartplotter so I used my iPad.  I found that with the 
12v system on that boat, I was losing charge even with the iPad plugged in.  I 
had to shut it down to charge at times just to make sure I had adequate battery 
for the depth challenged areas I was sailing in.  Without the GPS on, it 
charged just fine.

Jim Reinardy
C 30-2 “Firewater”
Milwaukee, WI

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From: Frederick G Street via CnC-List<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Sent: Monday, April 4, 2016 9:01 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Frederick G Street<mailto:f...@postaudio.net>
Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS

Jim — you can add an external GPS receiver like the Bad Elf via Bluetooth; then 
you’ll have the functionality you need without having to buy a cell-enabled 
iPad.  I’ve got one, and it works great.

http://www.amazon.com/Bad-Elf-2200-Black-silver/dp/B008VWNBBE/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8=1459778416=8-2=bad-elf+gps
 
<http://www.amazon.com/Bad-Elf-2200-Black-silver/dp/B008VWNBBE/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8=1459778416=8-2=bad-elf+gps>

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

> On Apr 4, 2016, at 8:44 AM, Elizabeth McDonald via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> I should have qualified the question, we downloaded Navionics, our I pad does 
> not have GPS, therefore, no ship icon!   Will it appear on this app, if we 
> purchase this I pad with GPS, but without a phone plan!
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Apr 4, 2016, at 10:11 AM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List 
>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
>>
>> iPad with cellular, doesn't need a phone subscription for the GPS to work.
>>
>> Steve
>> Suhana, C 32
>> Toronto

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[Dave Godwin via CnC-List]

I have a Galaxy Tab 4 with Navionics loaded. Although it is ready for cellular 
connection, I do not subscribe. The GPS function works without the aid of cell 
towers.

As mentioned earlier, it’s cheap compared to my Apple devices.

Best,
Dave Godwin
1982 C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit 
> On Apr 4, 2016, at 9:53 AM, Dr. Mark Bodnar via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Yes
> 
> I have Navionics on 2 tablets (both Android - neither with cellular 
> connection or capability) - I can see my location, speed, heading etc on the 
> app.  IPad should be exactly the same as long as you have the cellular/GPS 
> capability.
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> 
> 
> There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. - George 
> Santayana
> On 2016-04-04 10:44 AM, Elizabeth McDonald via CnC-List wrote:
>> I should have qualified the question, we downloaded Navionics, our I pad 
>> does not have GPS, therefore, no ship icon!   Will it appear on this app, if 
>> we purchase this I pad with GPS, but without a phone plan!
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Apr 4, 2016, at 10:11 AM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> iPad with cellular, doesn't need a phone subscription for the GPS to work.
>>> 
>>> Steve
>>> Suhana, C 32
>>> Toronto
>>> 
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[Elizabeth McDonald via CnC-List]

Thanks for all the great advice!

Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 4, 2016, at 11:02 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Jim — you can add an external GPS receiver like the Bad Elf via Bluetooth; 
> then you’ll have the functionality you need without having to buy a 
> cell-enabled iPad.  I’ve got one, and it works great.
> 
> http://www.amazon.com/Bad-Elf-2200-Black-silver/dp/B008VWNBBE/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8=1459778416=8-2=bad-elf+gps
> 
> — Fred
> 
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
> 
>> On Apr 4, 2016, at 8:44 AM, Elizabeth McDonald via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I should have qualified the question, we downloaded Navionics, our I pad 
>> does not have GPS, therefore, no ship icon!   Will it appear on this app, if 
>> we purchase this I pad with GPS, but without a phone plan!
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Apr 4, 2016, at 10:11 AM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> iPad with cellular, doesn't need a phone subscription for the GPS to work.
>>> 
>>> Steve
>>> Suhana, C 32
>>> Toronto
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Jim — you can add an external GPS receiver like the Bad Elf via Bluetooth; then 
you’ll have the functionality you need without having to buy a cell-enabled 
iPad.  I’ve got one, and it works great.

http://www.amazon.com/Bad-Elf-2200-Black-silver/dp/B008VWNBBE/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8=1459778416=8-2=bad-elf+gps
 


— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

> On Apr 4, 2016, at 8:44 AM, Elizabeth McDonald via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I should have qualified the question, we downloaded Navionics, our I pad does 
> not have GPS, therefore, no ship icon!   Will it appear on this app, if we 
> purchase this I pad with GPS, but without a phone plan!
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Apr 4, 2016, at 10:11 AM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List 
>> > wrote:
>> 
>> iPad with cellular, doesn't need a phone subscription for the GPS to work.
>> 
>> Steve
>> Suhana, C 32
>> Toronto

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[Dr. Mark Bodnar via CnC-List]

Yes

I have Navionics on 2 tablets (both Android - neither with cellular 
connection or capability) - I can see my location, speed, heading etc on 
the app.  IPad should be exactly the same as long as you have the 
cellular/GPS capability.


Mark




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George Santayana

On 2016-04-04 10:44 AM, Elizabeth McDonald via CnC-List wrote:

I should have qualified the question, we downloaded Navionics, our I pad does 
not have GPS, therefore, no ship icon!   Will it appear on this app, if we 
purchase this I pad with GPS, but without a phone plan!

Sent from my iPad


On Apr 4, 2016, at 10:11 AM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List  
wrote:

iPad with cellular, doesn't need a phone subscription for the GPS to work.

Steve
Suhana, C 32
Toronto

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[Dr. Mark Bodnar via CnC-List]

Pretty much all Android tablets have built in GPS -- a lot of cheaper 
options that are less concerning if they get wet.
One nice bonus - if you buy the Navionics app for one tablet - then all 
android devices that use the same account can use the app.



As I understand from previous discussions on this list - Apple has the 
GPS components on the tied to the cellular network components --- so 
iPad needs to be cellular capable to access GPS.


Mark

There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval.
  - George Santayana

On 2016-04-04 9:32 AM, Elizabeth McDonald via CnC-List wrote:

Someone had posted a list of tablets that had GPS built in, that did not need 
phone service .  Could you list them again, please!
Jim McDonald

C 44
Breakaweigh 1
Saint John, NB

Sent from my iPad
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[Elizabeth McDonald via CnC-List]

I should have qualified the question, we downloaded Navionics, our I pad does 
not have GPS, therefore, no ship icon!   Will it appear on this app, if we 
purchase this I pad with GPS, but without a phone plan!

Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 4, 2016, at 10:11 AM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> iPad with cellular, doesn't need a phone subscription for the GPS to work.
> 
> Steve
> Suhana, C 32
> Toronto
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[Elizabeth McDonald via CnC-List]

Does your vessel appear on the display?

Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 4, 2016, at 10:11 AM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> iPad with cellular, doesn't need a phone subscription for the GPS to work.
> 
> Steve
> Suhana, C 32
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[Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List]

iPad with cellular, doesn't need a phone subscription for the GPS to work.

Steve
Suhana, C 32
Toronto
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[Elizabeth McDonald via CnC-List]

Someone had posted a list of tablets that had GPS built in, that did not need 
phone service .  Could you list them again, please!
Jim McDonald

C 44
Breakaweigh 1
Saint John, NB

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[Daniel Sheer via CnC-List]

My Garmin 4 is mounted on my pedestal. Wouldn't have it anywhere else - I can 
set a course and monitor it while helming. It stays mounted under my pedestal 
cover, under my bimini when I'm gone.

Dan Sheer
Pegathy - 1980 Landfall 38
Rock Creek off the Patapsco
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Re: Stus-List GPS Laptop or tablet set up for BVI Charter?

[Curtis]

Looks like the MX Mariner is $6.99 cant find a link to free one?



On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 11:39 PM, Josh Muckley muckl...@gmail.com wrote:

 Curt,

 In the google app store there are 3 apps I like a lot.  MX Mariner, Earth
 NC, and Tide Charts.  MX Mariner and Earth NC are both GPS plotter apps.  I
 particularly like MX Mariner because you pre-download the charts.  No cell
 service?  No problem.  Some reviewers had said that the paid version of
 Earth NC doesn't add value so stick to the free one.

 Josh Muckley
  On Jan 8, 2014 10:11 PM, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote:

 Looking around at the details tonight. There is a lot to look at.
 Ferry from St John to Tortola.
 National park Tax
 Diesel fuel
 Food for the boat
 Cost of food out
 Partying on the town
 Departure tax
 Insurance
 Right now with flights for 4 of us we are like @ $7,971.71
 I was quoted a 36 Ben for $2799.00
 For April 26  / May 3rd


 A lot to thin about
 Cheers Curt


 On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 8:44 PM, Michael Brown m...@tkg.ca wrote:

 Was down three times, Footloose or SunSail. Provisioned with full
 regulation charts and
 tools ( dividers etc ) each time. There is a skippers meeting the
 departure morning, goes
 over basic stuff including expected weather. The people running the
 session checked with
 each skipper, sorted out a suggested itinerary, and with a section of
 photo copied chart
 marked it up as appropriate.  Real simple, red for places to avoid and
 green for the approach.

 Advice included which anchorage would be sheltered better, which ones
 would be bumpy.

 Seemed pretty professional.

 Michael Brown
 Windburn
 CC 30-1

 Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 16:24:51 -0600
 From: Frederick G Street f...@postaudio.net
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS Laptop or tablet set up for BVI Charter?
 Message-ID: 35ffa3c8-174c-46d3-90b8-cb57a1c30...@postaudio.net
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252

 Chances are, the charter company will give you a placemat with a ?chart?
 of the BVIs before your charter, if the boat doesn?t have a chart aboard
 (unlikely).  Kinda like the map the rental car companies give you when you
 check out a rental car.  You can pretty much see everything from everything
 else there, except for Jost Van Dyke being the other side of Tortola?
 Anegada being the other exception.  But if you?re a first-time charterer,
 chances are they won?t let you go there anyway.

 Fred Street -- Minneapolis
 S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(


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Re: Stus-List GPS Laptop or tablet set up for BVI Charter?

[Joel Aronson]

Curt,

Call me a snob, but I would not rent a Bene because I would be frustrated
at its sailing performance.  If it has in-mast furling it is even worse.
 Find a Jenneau with a stack-pack and some cheaper flights!

Joel


On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 7:32 AM, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote:

 Looks like the MX Mariner is $6.99 cant find a link to free one?



 On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 11:39 PM, Josh Muckley muckl...@gmail.com wrote:

 Curt,

 In the google app store there are 3 apps I like a lot.  MX Mariner, Earth
 NC, and Tide Charts.  MX Mariner and Earth NC are both GPS plotter apps.  I
 particularly like MX Mariner because you pre-download the charts.  No cell
 service?  No problem.  Some reviewers had said that the paid version of
 Earth NC doesn't add value so stick to the free one.

 Josh Muckley
  On Jan 8, 2014 10:11 PM, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote:

 Looking around at the details tonight. There is a lot to look at.
 Ferry from St John to Tortola.
 National park Tax
 Diesel fuel
 Food for the boat
 Cost of food out
 Partying on the town
 Departure tax
 Insurance
 Right now with flights for 4 of us we are like @ $7,971.71
 I was quoted a 36 Ben for $2799.00
 For April 26  / May 3rd


 A lot to thin about
 Cheers Curt


 On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 8:44 PM, Michael Brown m...@tkg.ca wrote:

 Was down three times, Footloose or SunSail. Provisioned with full
 regulation charts and
 tools ( dividers etc ) each time. There is a skippers meeting the
 departure morning, goes
 over basic stuff including expected weather. The people running the
 session checked with
 each skipper, sorted out a suggested itinerary, and with a section of
 photo copied chart
 marked it up as appropriate.  Real simple, red for places to avoid and
 green for the approach.

 Advice included which anchorage would be sheltered better, which ones
 would be bumpy.

 Seemed pretty professional.

 Michael Brown
 Windburn
 CC 30-1

 Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 16:24:51 -0600
 From: Frederick G Street f...@postaudio.net
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS Laptop or tablet set up for BVI Charter?
 Message-ID: 35ffa3c8-174c-46d3-90b8-cb57a1c30...@postaudio.net
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252

 Chances are, the charter company will give you a placemat with a
 ?chart? of the BVIs before your charter, if the boat doesn?t have a chart
 aboard (unlikely).  Kinda like the map the rental car companies give you
 when you check out a rental car.  You can pretty much see everything from
 everything else there, except for Jost Van Dyke being the other side of
 Tortola? Anegada being the other exception.  But if you?re a first-time
 charterer, chances are they won?t let you go there anyway.

 Fred Street -- Minneapolis
 S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(


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Re: Stus-List GPS Laptop or tablet set up for BVI Charter?

[dwight]

Not sure on that, Joel: I think some of those Beneteaus go pretty good, at
least the PHRF data suggests they do

 

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel
Aronson
Sent: January 9, 2014 9:41 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS Laptop or tablet set up for BVI Charter?

 

Curt,

 

Call me a snob, but I would not rent a Bene because I would be frustrated at
its sailing performance.  If it has in-mast furling it is even worse.  Find
a Jenneau with a stack-pack and some cheaper flights!

 

Joel

 

On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 7:32 AM, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote:

Looks like the MX Mariner is $6.99 cant find a link to free one?

 

 

On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 11:39 PM, Josh Muckley muckl...@gmail.com wrote:

Curt,

In the google app store there are 3 apps I like a lot.  MX Mariner, Earth
NC, and Tide Charts.  MX Mariner and Earth NC are both GPS plotter apps.  I
particularly like MX Mariner because you pre-download the charts.  No cell
service?  No problem.  Some reviewers had said that the paid version of
Earth NC doesn't add value so stick to the free one.

Josh Muckley

On Jan 8, 2014 10:11 PM, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote:

Looking around at the details tonight. There is a lot to look at.

Ferry from St John to Tortola.

National park Tax

Diesel fuel

Food for the boat

Cost of food out

Partying on the town

Departure tax 

Insurance

Right now with flights for 4 of us we are like @ $7,971.71

I was quoted a 36 Ben for $2799.00

For April 26  / May 3rd

 

 

A lot to thin about

Cheers Curt

 

On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 8:44 PM, Michael Brown m...@tkg.ca wrote:

Was down three times, Footloose or SunSail. Provisioned with full regulation
charts and
tools ( dividers etc ) each time. There is a skippers meeting the departure
morning, goes
over basic stuff including expected weather. The people running the session
checked with
each skipper, sorted out a suggested itinerary, and with a section of photo
copied chart
marked it up as appropriate.  Real simple, red for places to avoid and green
for the approach.

Advice included which anchorage would be sheltered better, which ones would
be bumpy.

Seemed pretty professional.
 
Michael Brown
Windburn
CC 30-1

Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 16:24:51 -0600 
From: Frederick G Street f...@postaudio.net 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 

Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS Laptop or tablet set up for BVI Charter? 

Message-ID: 35ffa3c8-174c-46d3-90b8-cb57a1c30...@postaudio.net 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 

Chances are, the charter company will give you a placemat with a ?chart? of
the BVIs before your charter, if the boat doesn?t have a chart aboard
(unlikely).  Kinda like the map the rental car companies give you when you
check out a rental car.  You can pretty much see everything from everything
else there, except for Jost Van Dyke being the other side of Tortola?
Anegada being the other exception.  But if you?re a first-time charterer,
chances are they won?t let you go there anyway. 


Fred Street -- Minneapolis 
S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^( 


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Re: Stus-List GPS Laptop or tablet set up for BVI Charter?

[Joel Aronson]

Dwight,

The Oceanis series, which I think is what is most fleets, don't compare to
our boats.  The 393 with in-mast furling rates 150 on the Chesapeake.  They
look like they are designed from the inside out - what do we need to put in
the cabin, and then let's build a hull around it - instead of designing a
sailboat and then an interior.  I'd be frustrated at the boat's performance
the entire time and it would detract from the entire vacation.  Now, if
they chartered the First series, I'd be fine with that!

Just one man's opinion!

Joel


On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 8:54 AM, dwight dwight...@gmail.com wrote:

   Not sure on that, Joel: I think some of those Beneteaus go pretty
 good, at least the PHRF data suggests they do


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 *Sent:* January 9, 2014 9:41 AM

 *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 *Subject:* Re: Stus-List GPS Laptop or tablet set up for BVI Charter?



 Curt,



 Call me a snob, but I would not rent a Bene because I would be frustrated
 at its sailing performance.  If it has in-mast furling it is even worse.
  Find a Jenneau with a stack-pack and some cheaper flights!



 Joel



 On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 7:32 AM, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote:

 Looks like the MX Mariner is $6.99 cant find a link to free one?





 On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 11:39 PM, Josh Muckley muckl...@gmail.com wrote:

 Curt,

 In the google app store there are 3 apps I like a lot.  MX Mariner, Earth
 NC, and Tide Charts.  MX Mariner and Earth NC are both GPS plotter apps.
 I particularly like MX Mariner because you pre-download the charts.  No
 cell service?  No problem.  Some reviewers had said that the paid version
 of Earth NC doesn't add value so stick to the free one.

 Josh Muckley

 On Jan 8, 2014 10:11 PM, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote:

 Looking around at the details tonight. There is a lot to look at.

 Ferry from St John to Tortola.

 National park Tax

 Diesel fuel

 Food for the boat

 Cost of food out

 Partying on the town

 Departure tax

 Insurance

 Right now with flights for 4 of us we are like @ $7,971.71

 I was quoted a 36 Ben for $2799.00

 For April 26  / May 3rd





 A lot to thin about

 Cheers Curt



 On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 8:44 PM, Michael Brown m...@tkg.ca wrote:

 Was down three times, Footloose or SunSail. Provisioned with full
 regulation charts and
 tools ( dividers etc ) each time. There is a skippers meeting the
 departure morning, goes
 over basic stuff including expected weather. The people running the
 session checked with
 each skipper, sorted out a suggested itinerary, and with a section of
 photo copied chart
 marked it up as appropriate.  Real simple, red for places to avoid and
 green for the approach.

 Advice included which anchorage would be sheltered better, which ones
 would be bumpy.

 Seemed pretty professional.

 Michael Brown
 Windburn
 CC 30-1

 Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 16:24:51 -0600
 From: Frederick G Street f...@postaudio.net
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com

 Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS Laptop or tablet set up for BVI Charter?

 Message-ID: 35ffa3c8-174c-46d3-90b8-cb57a1c30...@postaudio.net
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252

 Chances are, the charter company will give you a placemat with a ?chart?
 of the BVIs before your charter, if the boat doesn?t have a chart aboard
 (unlikely).  Kinda like the map the rental car companies give you when you
 check out a rental car.  You can pretty much see everything from everything
 else there, except for Jost Van Dyke being the other side of Tortola?
 Anegada being the other exception.  But if you?re a first-time charterer,
 chances are they won?t let you go there anyway.


 Fred Street -- Minneapolis
 S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(


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Re: Stus-List GPS Laptop or tablet set up for BVI Charter?

[Rich Knowles]

I think Curtis is going on a family vacation. Perhaps comfort and convenience 
come before racing ratings. 

Rich

 On Jan 9, 2014, at 10:03, Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Dwight,
 
 The Oceanis series, which I think is what is most fleets, don't compare to 
 our boats.  The 393 with in-mast furling rates 150 on the Chesapeake.  They 
 look like they are designed from the inside out - what do we need to put in 
 the cabin, and then let's build a hull around it - instead of designing a 
 sailboat and then an interior.  I'd be frustrated at the boat's performance 
 the entire time and it would detract from the entire vacation.  Now, if they 
 chartered the First series, I'd be fine with that!
 
 Just one man's opinion!
 
 Joel
 
 
 On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 8:54 AM, dwight dwight...@gmail.com wrote:
 Not sure on that, Joel: I think some of those Beneteaus go pretty good, at 
 least the PHRF data suggests they do
 
  
 
 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel 
 Aronson
 Sent: January 9, 2014 9:41 AM
 
 
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS Laptop or tablet set up for BVI Charter?
  
 
 Curt,
 
  
 
 Call me a snob, but I would not rent a Bene because I would be frustrated at 
 its sailing performance.  If it has in-mast furling it is even worse.  Find 
 a Jenneau with a stack-pack and some cheaper flights!
 
  
 
 Joel
 
  
 
 On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 7:32 AM, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Looks like the MX Mariner is $6.99 cant find a link to free one?
 
  
 
  
 
 On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 11:39 PM, Josh Muckley muckl...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Curt,
 
 In the google app store there are 3 apps I like a lot.  MX Mariner, Earth 
 NC, and Tide Charts.  MX Mariner and Earth NC are both GPS plotter apps.  I 
 particularly like MX Mariner because you pre-download the charts.  No cell 
 service?  No problem.  Some reviewers had said that the paid version of 
 Earth NC doesn't add value so stick to the free one.
 
 Josh Muckley
 
 On Jan 8, 2014 10:11 PM, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Looking around at the details tonight. There is a lot to look at.
 
 Ferry from St John to Tortola.
 
 National park Tax
 
 Diesel fuel
 
 Food for the boat
 
 Cost of food out
 
 Partying on the town
 
 Departure tax 
 
 Insurance
 
 Right now with flights for 4 of us we are like @ $7,971.71
 
 I was quoted a 36 Ben for $2799.00
 
 For April 26  / May 3rd
 
  
 
  
 
 A lot to thin about
 
 Cheers Curt
 
  
 
 On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 8:44 PM, Michael Brown m...@tkg.ca wrote:
 
 Was down three times, Footloose or SunSail. Provisioned with full regulation 
 charts and
 tools ( dividers etc ) each time. There is a skippers meeting the departure 
 morning, goes
 over basic stuff including expected weather. The people running the session 
 checked with
 each skipper, sorted out a suggested itinerary, and with a section of photo 
 copied chart
 marked it up as appropriate.  Real simple, red for places to avoid and green 
 for the approach.
 
 Advice included which anchorage would be sheltered better, which ones would 
 be bumpy.
 
 Seemed pretty professional.
  
 Michael Brown
 Windburn
 CC 30-1
 
 Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 16:24:51 -0600 
 From: Frederick G Street f...@postaudio.net 
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 
 Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS Laptop or tablet set up for BVI Charter?
 
 Message-ID: 35ffa3c8-174c-46d3-90b8-cb57a1c30...@postaudio.net 
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 
 
 Chances are, the charter company will give you a placemat with a ?chart? of 
 the BVIs before your charter, if the boat doesn?t have a chart aboard 
 (unlikely).  Kinda like the map the rental car companies give you when you 
 check out a rental car.  You can pretty much see everything from everything 
 else there, except for Jost Van Dyke being the other side of Tortola? 
 Anegada being the other exception.  But if you?re a first-time charterer, 
 chances are they won?t let you go there anyway.
 
 
 Fred Street -- Minneapolis 
 S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
 
 
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Re: Stus-List GPS Laptop or tablet set up for BVI Charter?

[Curtis]

Joel,
 I gave the wrong flight prices. That was the total. The flights were like
$589.00 rounf trip Savannah to St Thomas.



On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 8:54 AM, dwight dwight...@gmail.com wrote:

   Not sure on that, Joel: I think some of those Beneteaus go pretty
 good, at least the PHRF data suggests they do


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 Aronson
 *Sent:* January 9, 2014 9:41 AM

 *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 *Subject:* Re: Stus-List GPS Laptop or tablet set up for BVI Charter?



 Curt,



 Call me a snob, but I would not rent a Bene because I would be frustrated
 at its sailing performance.  If it has in-mast furling it is even worse.
  Find a Jenneau with a stack-pack and some cheaper flights!



 Joel



 On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 7:32 AM, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote:

 Looks like the MX Mariner is $6.99 cant find a link to free one?





 On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 11:39 PM, Josh Muckley muckl...@gmail.com wrote:

 Curt,

 In the google app store there are 3 apps I like a lot.  MX Mariner, Earth
 NC, and Tide Charts.  MX Mariner and Earth NC are both GPS plotter apps.
 I particularly like MX Mariner because you pre-download the charts.  No
 cell service?  No problem.  Some reviewers had said that the paid version
 of Earth NC doesn't add value so stick to the free one.

 Josh Muckley

 On Jan 8, 2014 10:11 PM, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote:

 Looking around at the details tonight. There is a lot to look at.

 Ferry from St John to Tortola.

 National park Tax

 Diesel fuel

 Food for the boat

 Cost of food out

 Partying on the town

 Departure tax

 Insurance

 Right now with flights for 4 of us we are like @ $7,971.71

 I was quoted a 36 Ben for $2799.00

 For April 26  / May 3rd





 A lot to thin about

 Cheers Curt



 On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 8:44 PM, Michael Brown m...@tkg.ca wrote:

 Was down three times, Footloose or SunSail. Provisioned with full
 regulation charts and
 tools ( dividers etc ) each time. There is a skippers meeting the
 departure morning, goes
 over basic stuff including expected weather. The people running the
 session checked with
 each skipper, sorted out a suggested itinerary, and with a section of
 photo copied chart
 marked it up as appropriate.  Real simple, red for places to avoid and
 green for the approach.

 Advice included which anchorage would be sheltered better, which ones
 would be bumpy.

 Seemed pretty professional.

 Michael Brown
 Windburn
 CC 30-1

 Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 16:24:51 -0600
 From: Frederick G Street f...@postaudio.net
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com

 Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS Laptop or tablet set up for BVI Charter?

 Message-ID: 35ffa3c8-174c-46d3-90b8-cb57a1c30...@postaudio.net
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252

 Chances are, the charter company will give you a placemat with a ?chart?
 of the BVIs before your charter, if the boat doesn?t have a chart aboard
 (unlikely).  Kinda like the map the rental car companies give you when you
 check out a rental car.  You can pretty much see everything from everything
 else there, except for Jost Van Dyke being the other side of Tortola?
 Anegada being the other exception.  But if you?re a first-time charterer,
 chances are they won?t let you go there anyway.


 Fred Street -- Minneapolis
 S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(


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Re: Stus-List GPS Laptop or tablet set up for BVI Charter?

[Curtis]

I hate cold.
I 'm convinced that God made ice for mixed drinks. Not for people to live
in


On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 4:20 PM, Andrew Burton a.burton.sai...@gmail.comwrote:

 Rich, I suspect Curtis would find the sealing better in N Canada.

 Andy
 CC 40
 Peregrine


 On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 4:18 PM, Rich Knowles r...@sailpower.ca wrote:

 Curtis:  Seailing around the BVI is a navigation non-event. All you need
 is a paper chart and a pair of binoculars. Everything you do there will be
 within viewing distance. A GPS will distract you from enjoying the scenery.

 Rich

 On Jan 8, 2014, at 17:01, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have a Samsung galaxy 3 Phone. I dont have a tablet? Would it be better
 to purchase a tablet or a Hand-held GPS?



 On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Andrew Burton 
 a.burton.sai...@gmail.comwrote:

 If you have a 3 0r 4G iPad or Iphone running iNavX, you'll be fine with
 either one. You don't need cell service for the GPS to work.

 Andy
 CC 40
 Peregrine


 On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm going to charter in the BVI in April. They tell me that the Conch
 charter boats may or may not have a working GPS on board? Is there a way to
 hook a android tablet to a navigation app that I could use or should I buy
 a hand-held unit to bring with me?
 Any advice on this would be great?
 Curtis

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Re: Stus-List GPS Laptop or tablet set up for BVI Charter?

[Joel Aronson]

Huge difference!  For 8k I thought you were chartering a jet too!


On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote:

 Joel,
  I gave the wrong flight prices. That was the total. The flights were like
 $589.00 rounf trip Savannah to St Thomas.



 On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 8:54 AM, dwight dwight...@gmail.com wrote:

   Not sure on that, Joel: I think some of those Beneteaus go pretty
 good, at least the PHRF data suggests they do


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 Curt,



 Call me a snob, but I would not rent a Bene because I would be frustrated
 at its sailing performance.  If it has in-mast furling it is even worse.
  Find a Jenneau with a stack-pack and some cheaper flights!



 Joel



 On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 7:32 AM, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote:

 Looks like the MX Mariner is $6.99 cant find a link to free one?





 On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 11:39 PM, Josh Muckley muckl...@gmail.com wrote:

 Curt,

 In the google app store there are 3 apps I like a lot.  MX Mariner, Earth
 NC, and Tide Charts.  MX Mariner and Earth NC are both GPS plotter
 apps.  I particularly like MX Mariner because you pre-download the charts.
 No cell service?  No problem.  Some reviewers had said that the paid
 version of Earth NC doesn't add value so stick to the free one.

 Josh Muckley

 On Jan 8, 2014 10:11 PM, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote:

 Looking around at the details tonight. There is a lot to look at.

 Ferry from St John to Tortola.

 National park Tax

 Diesel fuel

 Food for the boat

 Cost of food out

 Partying on the town

 Departure tax

 Insurance

 Right now with flights for 4 of us we are like @ $7,971.71

 I was quoted a 36 Ben for $2799.00

 For April 26  / May 3rd





 A lot to thin about

 Cheers Curt



 On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 8:44 PM, Michael Brown m...@tkg.ca wrote:

 Was down three times, Footloose or SunSail. Provisioned with full
 regulation charts and
 tools ( dividers etc ) each time. There is a skippers meeting the
 departure morning, goes
 over basic stuff including expected weather. The people running the
 session checked with
 each skipper, sorted out a suggested itinerary, and with a section of
 photo copied chart
 marked it up as appropriate.  Real simple, red for places to avoid and
 green for the approach.

 Advice included which anchorage would be sheltered better, which ones
 would be bumpy.

 Seemed pretty professional.

 Michael Brown
 Windburn
 CC 30-1

 Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 16:24:51 -0600
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 Chances are, the charter company will give you a placemat with a ?chart?
 of the BVIs before your charter, if the boat doesn?t have a chart aboard
 (unlikely).  Kinda like the map the rental car companies give you when you
 check out a rental car.  You can pretty much see everything from everything
 else there, except for Jost Van Dyke being the other side of Tortola?
 Anegada being the other exception.  But if you?re a first-time charterer,
 chances are they won?t let you go there anyway.


 Fred Street -- Minneapolis
 S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(


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