Neo900: End of transfer period and updated rules on EUR 1500+ donations
Hello! I'm posting the recent announcements from the Neo900 project here, for your information. Also, if you're interested in the state of the project, see our July Trilogy: * Part I: The Past - http://neo900.org/news/july-trilogy-part-i-the-past * Part II: The Present - http://neo900.org/news/july-trilogy-part-ii-the-present * Part III: The Future - coming soon! -- Transfer period ends Friday, August 8 -- When the reorganization began, we announced that all donations that had been made to Golden Delicious Computers GmbH (GDC) and were subsequently transferred to Neo900 UG would retain the same benefits as the original donation, both regarding the original amount and the original date. Since the reorganization is long over, it's time to also end this transfer period. Therefore, all donations sent after Friday August 8, 2014 will be considered as new. This means that, if you still have a donation pending at GDC and have not asked for a transfer to Neo900 UG yet, you still have time to do so without losing any benefits. Likewise, if you have requested a refund (to you) instead of a transfer to Neo900 UG, but wish to rejoin the project, then please transfer the refunded amount to Neo900 UG before the deadline. Further details on transferring donations from GDC can be found here: http://neo900.org/donate-gdc Two examples: 1) If you donated EUR 200 in January and asked GDC to transfer the donation to Neo900 UG, we will have received about EUR 173.60 and we will treat this as a donation of EUR 200 made in January. 2) If you donated EUR 200 in January, have not decided yet, but will ask GDC in the middle of August - after the deadline - to transfer your donation to Neo900 UG, we will treat this as a donation of EUR 173.60 made in August. -- EUR 1500+ donations: pioneering period ends -- As you will remember, donors who donated EUR 1500+ can ask for one prototype kit at their choosing, plus one final device. This is intended as a pioneer benefit for early supporters. Since the pioneering days are long over, we want to update the conditions that will apply to future donations of EUR 1500+ or more. For current donors, everything stays the same. However, from now on donations of EUR 1500+ will still be good for a prototype kit, but will no longer include a final device. Of course, no EUR 1500+ donor is obliged to ask for a prototype kit. Anyone who doesn't get a prototype kit will have their donation treated as a regular EUR 100+ donation. Please note that prototypes will have to be requested before the prototype run since we can't be sure to have any spares. If you're interested in requesting a v2 prototype, please contact us at cont...@neo900.org as soon as possible to discuss further details. The Neo900 team ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
OpenPhoenux P.I.W.O. talk
Hello, Yesterday I was giving a OpenPhoenux themed talk titled Free Mobile - when Android is not enough on local Free Software event in Poznań, Poland - http://piwo.informatyka.org/ Here you can see the slides I've prepared for the presentation: http://neo900.org/piwo/piwo.pdf It's mostly a basic introduction to the Openmoko/OpenPhoenux world, but it also contains some info about the modem monitoring/sandboxing solution that is going to be implemented in Neo900, so it might be interesting for some of you :) Feel free to use the slides if you're also going to give some OpenPhoenux related talk somewhere! Cheers, -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak, dos http://dosowisko.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-Devel] FSO project hosting (mailing lists, ...)
On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 6:15 PM, Dr. Michael Lauer mic...@vanille-media.de wrote: Quick update: I have gathered the old subscribers’ list and have invited (not autosubscribed) all former members. If you are not among the invited and have interest to participate on the future of the FSO middleware stack, then please feel very welcome to join f...@openphoenux.org Best regards, Mickey. Subscription link for lazy ones: http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo/fso Thank you Mickey for taking care of that! -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak, dos http://dosowisko.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Use of a FreeRunner
On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 11:43 PM, Philip Rhoades p...@pricom.com.au wrote: Ben, On 2013-12-23 09:26, Ben Wong wrote: I'm sure it could; your FreeRunner is a complete computer. The question is if you have the time (or money to hire someone) to write the glue script that will put all the pieces together. Let's see, the parts you'll need are: 1. Check your mail account (fetchmail or python's imaplib) 2. Do a regex check to see if it's important (egrep/python/perl/awk/...) I can do those bits. 3. Convert it to SMS format 3a. MIME extract (munpack or python's email package) 3b. Optionally remove HTML markup (lynx -dump or Beautiful Soup's get_text() function) and probably those bits - actually now that I think about it - there would always just be a little bit of text (the messages would always be coming from a phone message service) with an appended WAV file so it would have to be MMS rather that SMS . . 4. Send it as an SMS messages (dbus to FSO works but may not be best practices) This is the bit I know nothing about . . Thanks, Phil. Sending SMS using FSO is very easy: http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=blob_plain;f=html/org.freesmartphone.GSM.SMS.html;hb=HEAD#SendTextMessage You can use mdbus2 or dbus-send, or any dbus binding for your language of choice. SendTextMessage even handles multi-part messages automatically for you. I'm not aware of any existing MMS implementation for FSO. Cheers, -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak, dos http://dosowisko.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: First small steps toward free GSM firmware
On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 12:33 AM, Neal H. Walfield n...@walfield.org wrote: As long as the modem and CPU only communicate via the serial port, i.e., there is no shared memory, then the application CPU is (relatively) safe from attacks started from the baseband CPU. As I understand it, this is the case for the GTA0*, but it would be good to have confirmation of this from someone better in the know. Neal Yes. GTA01 and GTA02 communicate with modem (TI Calypso) via serial port, and GTA04 (with Option GTM601W) via USB. While so called dumbphones and some older smartphones like Symbian devices often didn't have dedicated APU, so complete OS was technically running on modem, newer devices have rather good separation of those two processors. However, it's not always the case - there are some devices that communicate with modem via shared RAM. It starts to be pretty common on Android devices. It's still hardly any news, it's perfectly known for few years, and projects like Replicant were actively discouraging usage of such phones ever since. Anyway, it's not a secret, one can easily check by some quick googling if the device he/she's interested in follows this design. It's good to raise awareness about problems with such design. It's bad to make it sound like some secret conspiracy. Like we haven't got enough of true secret conspiracies to worry about ;) -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak, dos http://dosowisko.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: First small steps toward free GSM firmware
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 1:50 AM, kardan kar...@riseup.net wrote: The following is more generally related to the GSM subject: http://www.osnews.com/story/27416/The_second_operating_system_hiding_in_every_mobile_phone I really don't understand this article. It's like it's some kind of surprise that GSM modems run firmware on their processors. It's so obvious, yet everyone seems surprised and shares this article like it was something insightful. Probably you know this, but I feel like clearing it up to some other readers that may be confused: This whole topic is exactly about such OS hiding in the modem and I guess everyone who was following Openmoko struggling with firmware bugs already know that it's buggy and probably not very hard to exploit (AFAIR even some pretty standard GPRS usage may cause buffer overflows). -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak, dos http://dosowisko.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Crowdfunding an Ubuntu smartphone (right now)
On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 12:12 PM, Bob Ham r...@settrans.net wrote: On Sat, 2013-10-05 at 07:50 +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Neither the Openmoko, OpenPandora, Ubuntu Edge, GTA04 are open hardware - and never were intended to be. That isn't what your OpenPhoenux page says: Open Hardware Devices. Letux 2804 / GTA04 Smartphone http://www.openphoenux.org/ You're also contradicting your own previous statements: I see the role of GDC [Golden Delicious Computers] to provide future open hardware but remain software agnostic http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2012-May/066835.html You're nitpicking about different meanings of open and free. This discussion is no better than arguments about the freedom of GPL versus BSD. It leads nowhere. -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak, dos http://dosowisko.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Crowdfunding an Ubuntu smartphone (right now)
On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Bob Ham r...@settrans.net wrote: On Sat, 2013-10-05 at 13:34 +0200, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote: You're nitpicking about different meanings of open and free. This is hardly nitpicking. If I had known what Nikolaus's position was back in 2010, I doubt I would ever have bought a GTA04. There seems to be (1) the meaning that Nikolaus gives free hardware and open hardware; and (2) the meaning everyone else gives free hardware and open hardware. It seems to me that Nikolaus has falsely advertised the GTA04, and is continuing to do so. I think everything needed to evaluate if GTA04 is an open hardware as in your dictionary was already available before ordering. Still, GTA04 is in this regard just as free as GTA02 and maybe even more (there were no schematics for GTA02 published on launch, and even now not all of them are publicly available. And those which are, are also only in PDFs) In my dictionary, it's definitely free platform. One of the only ones in mobile world. But yes, I can agree that the usage of free hardware term may be a bit confusing. -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak, dos http://dosowisko.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The open hardware phone project that's had the most interest
On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Pascal Gosselin pas...@aeroteknic.com wrote: If technically feasible That's the problem. -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak, dos http://dosowisko.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA04-N900 vel. Neo900
On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 1:14 AM, joerg Reisenweber jo...@openmoko.org wrote: While rewriting blobs is a long term minor goal of CSSU [1], we won't do a complete rewrite of every closed blob for Neo900 fremantle-port. Actually if we did, we could use any arbitrary hardware ülatform and just recompile the completely liberated fremantle for it. We wouldn't need a GTA04-N900 that's close to the original N900 hw-wise. The idea of GTA04-N900 is to reduce the hw-diffs to an amount that can get handled in kernel/drivers by patching them. You probably know that kernel and kernel driver modules are FOSS in maemo. Yeah, Neo900 won't be associated with any specific operating system. SHR, QtMoko or anything else that works now on GTA04 should be very easy, if not trivial, to run on Neo900. For this community, Neo900 is just a upgraded GTA04 in different case (well, it might be that Neo900 will cause upgrade of GTA04 itself, so it will be rather something like variant of GTA04 rather than upgrade to it). But there's one reason why we need Fremantle Porting Task Force - demand. Maemo community waited for N900 successor for so long, and with such low demand as we're struggling with those devices, every single willing buyer helps us a lot. Also, this is not Nokia-owned OS anymore - community owns it and effort to ditch closed blobs and switch to free replacements is ongoing, as Joerg pointed out. There are also some initiatives for rebasing Fremantle on top of current Debian and to stay as close to upstream as possible. Those efforts slowly die together with N900. When there are less and less developers, the goal of Freemantle is more and more away. Neo900 is meant to resurrect this community as soon as possible. While joining Freemantle effort into Neo900 project would mean inevitable failure (not enough manpower, people being disappointed due to unstable software etc.), giving Maemo community something pretty much rock-solid as a good base for future work (even with still with some closed parts) might be better idea for our long term goals. It might be that reimplementing some OS part will be easier than adding some compatibility layer in kernel. In such cases, Freemantle will even benefit directly from porting task force work. And still, if you're not interested in Fremantle, just ignore it. There are people who are - they will generate some demand, so we'll be able to get bigger production runs, so everyone will be happier. Nevertheless, Neo900 will stay true to everything that GTA04 represents right now. It will just get new form factor to attract different people. -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak, dos http://dosowisko.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
GTA04-N900 vel. Neo900
Hello! Short introduction, as I was rather inactive in this community recently: I'm dos, long time Openmoko supporter, owner of GTA02 and (now broken) Nokia N900. Few years ago I was quite an active developer of FSO (opimd) and SHR. Few days ago I've created website draft for GTA04. As we all know, GTA04 project has few non-technical problems. Poor demand is one of them, poor availability of parts is the second one. Those two problems together are pretty much show stoppers, cause if we fix one, the second one becomes harder. But Joerg Reisenweber came up with brilliant idea of adapting GTA04 board into N900 case. Why? - second source N900 housings are very cheap and available on eBay in big quantities - problem with very small amount of Openmoko cases solved - there are still new spare parts floating around on free market But using N900 gives us more: - GTA04 with physical keyboard! - screen that doesn't appear to be off in full sunlight - it seems that while some people like Openmoko case (I do), most rather think it's nice idea, but I wouldn't show up anywhere with such a brick :( N900 case seems to be more commonly accepted by public ;) Wait, there's even more! - if done right, we can engage Maemo community and increase the demand a lot! There are LOTS of broken N900s in possession of Maemo community members due to problems with faulty USB connector and GSM modem. Many of them (owners ;)) are waiting for proper N900 successor that never came (N9 is not, and Nokia is not interested in platform anymore at all). This might be great time to merge efforts from Openmoko/OpenPhoenux and Maemo communities. Neo900 project can benefit from both of them - there will be QtMoko/SHR/Replicant on the one side (it's just modified GTA04, so running all of them should be very easy), and there will be Maemo, Meego and maybe more porting initiatives on the other side. Joerg's idea includes full port of Maemo 5 (Fremantle) to allow N900 users to have drop-in upgrade - just like now GTA04 is for GTA01/02 owners. I think that can increase interest a lot! For now we named it Neo900 - making nods to both N900 and Openmoko roots :) I'm super excited about this idea, and it seems that I'm not the only one: Look at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142 You can also read logs from #maemo from yesterday and today: https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-08-25.log.html https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-08-26.log.html It seems there is some interest, and that's just on Maemo side :) What do you think? -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak, dos http://dosowisko.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Going outside - GTA04 website
Hello, community! I'd like to start discussion about how we communicate our presence to the external world. Recent threads showed that there's some need to think about it. I know this community consists rather of smart, technical geeks who don't want to lower themselves into stinky marketing world. I truly understand that :) But unfortunately, we need money and it's now clear that this small community is not enough to get each of our dreams to come true. I'd like to start this discussion with GTA04 website. While I appreciate current webpage for being very informative for someone who already know what's going on in this project, I think it sucks as our business card. When this page is the first thing someone new sees about GTA04, he or she we'll be confused and probably won't understand a lot. Even if he/she is not our target, it's bad, because if she/he has at least some impression about what this project is about, he/she can recommend it to some geeky friend or use it as some small talk topic. On the other hand, we cannot oversimplify our page. We were always targeting to people with some technical background, who generally prefer to get straight to the point instead of going through tons of advertising eye-candy bullshit. I've seen website proposition from Slyon: http://slyon.de/gta04/index.old.php I've also created quick draft by myself: http://dosowisko.net/gta04/ And of course there's the current one: http://gta04.org/ I'd like all of you to point out good and bad parts of each of them, so maybe we'll be able to create something that's rock solid for our needs. Keep in mind that my proposition is just a quick draft, it even uses default Bootstrap theme which we probably would like to adjust a bit to our needs (branding colors, some mentions about Golden Delicious and stuff like that). Content is not final too - there are probably some grammar errors and maybe even some misinformation (I wasn't really active in community for some time recently, so it's possible that I missed something). Maybe some things aren't even worth mentioning and there should be something else instead - go on with suggestions, it's nowhere near final now. And well, maybe even we'll decide that there's no point in trying to get more people into GTA04 now. Maybe redesigning it to fit N900 case will get popular in the community and it'll be better idea to start campaign together with this new phone. Or some other idea will come up. I trust this community. I'm still using my Freerunner, but unfortunately I'm more and more tired with it. I decided to start saving for some new phone and I want it to be OpenPhoenux device, be it GTA04 or anything new. Please, don't let this awesome project die! I'm still convinced that we can succeed. Would you like to try helping me help you help us all? :) -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak, dos http://dosowisko.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Going outside - GTA04 website
On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 8:58 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote: Am 24.08.2013 um 18:11 schrieb Lukas Märdian: Am 24.08.2013 17:36, schrieb Sebastian Krzyszkowiak: I've also created quick draft by myself: http://dosowisko.net/gta04/ Wow, that looks good! Almost like a kickstarter project page :) Thanks :) BTW, I'm constantly updating it with some details. If some of you checked it out early, you might want to do it again. I replaced some styles from default theme with customized ones (color of buttons etc.), added links and other stuff like that. On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 7:38 PM, Nick openmoko-commun...@njw.me.uk wrote: I'm not sure about the text about ethics of manufacturing - while it is assembled in Germany, the components are sourced from factories with potentially similar working conditions to other phones, they use materials that are sourced in horrible ways and conditions, and so on. I'm aware of that and I think it's still worth mentioning. Of course we're using parts manufactured in a way we don't have control, but this way we can go too deep. You know, Goldelico and factory workers may use gasoline that was extracted in bad ways to get themselves to work ;) But at least we can ensure that what we do and what we can control is done in ethically proper way. And that's something we can be proud of (or, actually, Golden Delicious, as that's their achievement ;)). I'm more worried about suggestions for buying and ordering over the page. We should think about describing our situation (you know, train waiting for green lights ;)) in a way that will be informative and true, but at the same time won't scary people (ouch, another preorder fraud, nothing to see here). I have some fancy slider in mind that would show estimated price depending on demand, but I'm open for different ideas. And one more thing: I'd be very grateful if some native speaker would check what I wrote on the page. I'm not confident enough about my English skills - they might be good enough for communication, but probably not for marketing purposes :) -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak, dos http://dosowisko.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: community Digest, Vol 353, Issue 3
On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 5:30 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote: Am 23.08.2013 um 15:45 schrieb Bob Ham: On 2013-08-23 11:27, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Am 23.08.2013 um 13:18 schrieb Bob Ham: On 2013-08-23 10:56, Paul Wise wrote: On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Bob Ham wrote: I don't understand. What is the green light with respect to the GTA04? That was already mentioned; money for components being available. The fact that there is *no* money was mentioned. Here you seem to be implying some kind of transition from there being no money to money being available. How is that transition going to happen? What's going to cause the green light to go on? People deciding to spend some money instead of complaining that it is too expensive. What is going to cause people to decide that? What do you think the reason is? I have mixed feeling about basing our media presence on Openmoko project. While we know that Openmoko did amazing job pioneering with freeing mobile phones, and personally I'm still big fan of the project and I like how OpenPhoenux goes back to its roots, general public just associates it with failure (provided that they know what Openmoko is at the first place). We know (to some extend) what was the reason (or reasons) of Openmoko failure, they don't. They only got clear message: open/free phone is utopia, Openmoko tried it and failed, we have to go for something that's free enough and for many, Android, Ubuntu or Firefox OS phones are free enough. Especially when you add price into the account - it makes them even more enough. People should know the difference. People should know that free phone *is* possible. It may not be as free as RMS would like it to be, but seeing how many people consider Android good enough, we're still at better position. We just have to tell people what's the difference, and do that in a way even non-techie would understand (or just give him/her an impression of understanding ;)). They should be also aware why price is so high and how can it be lowered. I don't think there is some universal source we may refer people to and I'm tired of everyone repeating the same questions again and again when I mention GTA04 in slashdot comments or anywhere else. If they are not aware what GTA04 can give them, they never won't pay for it when there's such a difference in price. Well, I know it's easy to tell we should do this, we should do that and it's harder to actually start doing that, but I hope I'll be able to show you something soon. It's high time to be useful to this community once again! :) -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak, dos http://dosowisko.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Crowdfunding an Ubuntu smartphone (right now)
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 9:15 PM, Bob Ham r...@settrans.net wrote:
On Thu, 2013-08-22 at 21:10 +0200, Paul Wise wrote:
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 9:04 PM, Bob Ham wrote:
No. I think a better question is whether OpenPhoenix can achieve
production of *any* phone?
Not currently in stock, but as I understand it, GTA04 exists and is a phone.
The GTA04 is a motherboard, not a phone.
--
Bob Ham r...@settrans.net
for (;;) { ++pancakes; }
Well, there are (or were) complete phones based on GTA04 available to
buy from Golden Delicious, so yes, OpenPhoenux has already achieved
production of any phone.
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Re: Crowdfunding an Ubuntu smartphone (right now)
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 9:28 PM, Bob Ham r...@settrans.net wrote: On Thu, 2013-08-22 at 21:19 +0200, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote: Well, there are (or were) complete phones based on GTA04 available to buy from Golden Delicious, so yes, OpenPhoenux has already achieved production of any phone. The phones consisted of GTA04 motherboards inside second-hand GTA01/02 cases. These cases were produced by Openmoko, not OpenPhoenix. So what? Those are still phones. Working, functional phones which have much better specs than GTA02. User wants a free phone, user orders a free phone, user gets a free phone. Without the need of owning GTA02 and replacing motherboard by himself - and that's what matters. OpenPhoenux project provides full phone. If there'll be higher demand, it'll provide new cases. Demand is too low right now, so old cases are used. I can't see the point of your argument in this discussion. -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak, dos http://dosowisko.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: offtopic / help needed from anyone in poland
On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 2:44 PM, robin spielr...@web.de wrote: Hi List, sorry to post this here, but I otherwise do not have any idea who else to contact. I have purchased the archos g9 as plasma active does kind of run on it which is a nice step forward for a linux tablet (eventually I would prefer one with the gta04 in it). now archos apparently has huge issues in producing the 3g modem, so it is sold out anywhere in europe. Now my I have just found this offer from Poland [1]. I do not speak Polish, neither do I know if that site is genuine. So if anyone could help me here that would be great. best regards robin [1] http://www.mediamarkt.pl/krakow-m1/produkty.html?query=Modem+ARCHOS+3G+Stick Hello from Poland! :) It is genuine - it's one of the biggest electronic stores in Poland. However, you'll need someone in Kraków (Cracow), as it's sold out from online supplies and it's only available in small amount in physical store in M1 Kraków shopping centre. Unfortunately, Kraków is a bit far from where I live. Good luck! -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak, dos http://dosowisko.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-Devel] silent SMS
On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Matthias Apitz g...@unixarea.de wrote: Hello, Concerning so called silent SMS, short described here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short_Message_Service#Silent_SMS does we know how such messages work exactly from the technical point of view and, more interestingly, are such messages signalled by the modem to the software (and only normal cellphones does not send them to the user on the display), could such events at least logged by our software stacks (I'm using SHR)? Would be a nice feature Thanks matthias I don't think we're supporting that kind of messages. The only fancy SMS technique that I'm aware that was implemented somewhere in FSO userland is support for class 0 messages in opimd-notifier, which shows button click to read message with typical smses, and directly shows message content with class 0 ones. (with ogsmd one could also send class 0 message, but I don't know if or how would it work now with fsogsmd) As far as I understand it, silent messages should be displayed via SHR phone just like any other kind of messages, with all notifications, sounds etc. -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak, dos http://dosowisko.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ubuntu / Firefox OS for Openmoko
On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Thamos tiger...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, i am ambiguous about that. I think we have already enough Operating Systems with QtMoko and SHR and Replicant. (Did i miss a really working distro?) But, as it seems to me, we don't have enough software developers, and as Mozilla and Ubuntu are big projects, this seems to be a way to use their ressources to get some nice features to our phones. i don't know anything about the OSs themself to evaluate them. And i don't know if they are really interested in working with us, as you wrote, they are searching big players I think the question is if we have people on our side who want to start such an project (and try to drag some of their developers in). greets, Thamos Personally, I think that all we need is some good marketing inside the community. For many people that do not track Openmoko by themselves, this project is dead. When I mention it to someone, reaction is very often is it still alive? Really?. Ubuntu and Firefox OS may be good opportunities to use for marketing. A lot of people inside those two communities will be interested in a phone that is completely free and allows them to run systems they're working on without fighting with some closed source binaries. This will also attract FLOSS-extremists (sorry for term, just couldn't find out anything better at the moment :D) to those OSes, so benefits will be mutual. I think that's the way we should promote ourselves right now. Instead of aiming for end users, we can attract developers of those projects. Most of them probably doesn't know about GTA04 at all, or think about it as a Freerunner-zombie, which won't last long. If we're able to show them that OpenPhoenux exists and is constantly progressing, without repeating Openmoko mistakes from past, then developers for sure will be interested. Interested developers - platform support - way to reach end-users. -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak, dos http://dosowisko.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ubuntu / Firefox OS for Openmoko
On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 7:51 PM, Peter Viskup skupko...@gmail.com wrote: On 01/11/2013 05:04 PM, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote: On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Thamostiger...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, i am ambiguous about that. I think we have already enough Operating Systems with QtMoko and SHR and Replicant. (Did i miss a really working distro?) But, as it seems to me, we don't have enough software developers, and as Mozilla and Ubuntu are big projects, this seems to be a way to use their ressources to get some nice features to our phones. i don't know anything about the OSs themself to evaluate them. And i don't know if they are really interested in working with us, as you wrote, they are searching big players I think the question is if we have people on our side who want to start such an project (and try to drag some of their developers in). greets, Thamos Personally, I think that all we need is some good marketing inside the community. For many people that do not track Openmoko by themselves, this project is dead. When I mention it to someone, reaction is very often is it still alive? Really?. Agree with you and the main reason is that on openmoko sites there is plenty not updated information, qtmoko doesn't have webpage promoting it. All this confused me a lot when I join you some months before. I think that there is no project management on this front and this community is somehow self driven without any vision or plans for the future. Ubuntu and Firefox OS may be good opportunities to use for marketing. A lot of people inside those two communities will be interested in a phone that is completely free and allows them to run systems they're working on without fighting with some closed source binaries. This will also attract FLOSS-extremists (sorry for term, just couldn't find out anything better at the moment :D) to those OSes, so benefits will be mutual. Looks like the Ubuntu or Firefox OS are/will be not interesting for GTA02 users as the new OSes are not optimized for HW with such low memory. But of course it could help promote OpenMoko. -- Peter I don't think GTA02 will be good hw platform for those systems, but GTA04 should work well. On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 8:40 PM, Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote: On Friday 11 January 2013 19:00:37 Radek Polak wrote: On Friday, January 11, 2013 05:04:28 PM Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote: Ubuntu and Firefox OS may be good opportunities to use for marketing. Yup, i think if we were the first HW that runs Firefox OS and Ubuntu this could make our phone mentioned in some bigger magazines and make some noise. That boat's already sailed I'm afraid. Firefox OS already runs on Galaxy SII, Galaxy Nexus, Nexus S and Nexus S 4G, plus pandaboard and a few others. Ubuntu are supposed to be releasing an image for the Galaxy Nexus soon. It could still be the first open hardware platform to run those systems with working telephony support without binary blobs. This would be big thing, at least for some part of the community. Original Openmoko project got its popularity thanks to promise of fully open and free hardware platform. It failed, cause things with quality of early development stages were advertised as ready products. Personally I expected development platform with some GSM support, nothing more - and today I'm still using my GTA02. Unfortunately, lots of people wanted to have stable, mature solution with added value of freedom and openness. All they got was freedom and openness, which apparently wasn't enough for them. Ubuntu and Firefox OS are for sure more popular projects than SHR or QtMoko. Personally all my heart goes to latter ones, but that doesn't change the fact, that they cannot compete with first ones regarding community size and support. But I think that some people, attracted with free platform that runs popular OS, will also look at and maybe contribute to our purely community driven projects. There is also one more thing, which I think more people will do - contributing to GTA04 project itself. Free platform with well-supported OS will attract not only software hackers (who will spread over all different operating systems), but also hardware ones :) Some of them caught on GTA02 too, but I think many of them wanted to give it a chance but resigned due to software state. This is where I find the biggest opportunity for us at the moment. -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak, dos http://dosowisko.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA02 for sale on ebay, currently going for $20
On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 8:29 PM, Troy Benjegerdes ho...@hozed.org wrote: Does this one have wifi? I have whatever version only had bluetooth. I'd be quite interested in both if I had a clear path how to run them without needing to have the battery (as an always-on touchscreen for home automation).. see http://androidthermostat.com/ GTA01 does not have WiFi, GTA02 does. I don't know about GTA01 (it's probably the same, but I'm not sure), but you can power GTA02 from USB without battery (on early models, GTA02A5, you need to have battery on boot - after that you can remove it), but GSM modem won't work when powered by USB, because it's connected directly to the battery. -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak, dos http://dosowisko.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Get old input methods back?
On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 9:34 PM, Thomas Berger l...@lokis-chaos.de wrote: Hi all, is there any way to get the old keyboards and the handwriting input method back? I don't like the svg keyboards much. I work on console and have to fill webforms often, and the svg keyboard is just oversized. I used the device with a pen the most time. -- Thomas What do you mean by svg keyboard? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: shr-2012.01-rc1, please test
On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 18:25, Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote: I can't see any rootfs to test. Am I looking in the wrong place? From the docs linked above it looks like it should be in: http://build.shr-project.org/shr-core-staging/031/images/om-gta02/ Not every staging feed has whole image rebuilt. You need to download and install some older image and upgrade to 031 after that. Instead of manually navigating through the directories, you can use download wizard on http://build.shr-project.org/ to automatically find latest image available (requires JavaScript). -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: two GTA02 with different characteristics
On 12/25/11, Matthias Apitz g...@unixarea.de wrote: 1: The older one (running Om2008.9) needs a press of ~8 secs to boot, the newer one (with SHR) on a short press of the power button makes a short sound, then a short vibration and boots up; 2: The older on GPS needs 1-3 minutes to get a 3D Fix, the newer a few seconds, sometimes less than 10 secs; Hi, Both devices are GTA02A6 or A7, so both things seem to be only software related. About 1: it's difference in bootloaders. Older one uses U-Boot, while newer uses Qi. About 2: as already was said, this looks like difference in GPS handling in software. 1-3 minutes is about time which is needed to get 3D fix without any assist data. If one of the devices would be GTA02A5, then there would be difference in resistor placed on SD reader, as it was interferencing with GPS (but it shouldn't be a big deal anyway, as software fixes for that issue are good enough) -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: phone extraction device
On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 19:32, Alex Samorukov m...@os2.kiev.ua wrote: Now back to OpenMoko. It depends on distro you are using (i am qtmoko user) but typically there is nothing but ssh running on USB (USB over Ethernet). If you setting up root password - then you are safe. There is no way to extract any data without restarting the phone (or by using debug board, what is also not possible w/o removing cover). If you are very paranoiac about this - you can store all data in encrypted way (using standard Linux tools for this) and disable all storage on the SIM card. To be strict: On Freerunner there is also Calypso debug interface on headphones jack. So actually there are two things :) -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Liberated Calypso docs found
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 22:06, Michael Sokolov msoko...@ivan.harhan.org wrote: Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi wrote: If Openmoko Inc. had had such a reputation I doubt TI would have given them anything in the first place. Holes in that argument: 1. Openmoko Inc. was a brand-new company created for the express purpose of doing the free / open source phone project. Being a brand-new company, they could not have or be expected to have any reputation at all, neither good nor bad. Hole in this argument: Calypso wasn't brought by Openmoko Inc. as company. Previously it was part of bigger company, FIC - I guess that's why they got it. It was much later when Openmoko Inc. was splitted into another, standalone company. -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: mozilla phone
On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 18:19, urodelo urodelomuta...@yahoo.com wrote: Today I've read about the new mozilla phone, seabird. The official page can be found here: http://mozillalabs.com/conceptseries/2010/09/23/seabird// It's not open hw, uses android. However my impression is that at least the internet popular press is gonna get that idea, because behind there's mozilla's make... Is it another step into the war of the mobile browsers, or is it a project with a real future? urodelo As far as I understand it, this is just proposition in Mozilla lab, done by some user. There is no real project about making phone by Mozilla. -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Testing freerunner's audio quality
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 17:41, jeremy jozwik jerjoz.for...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 8:21 AM, Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi wrote: Hmm, disappeared from where? # cat /etc/shr-version SHR -20100921 Built from branch: org.openembedded.dev Revision: 56fa8d7ad350fcbb5dedaa80c656da0bb59a2e7b gsmhandset.state and mickeyterm # find / -name 'gsmhandset.state' # # mickeyterm -sh: mickeyterm: not found Try: find / -name 'gsmhandset' mterm2 :P -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: My N900 experience compared to my FR experience
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 20:11, W. B. Kranendonk wankelwan...@yahoo.com wrote: --- On Wed, 9/15/10, Brolin Empey bro...@brolin.be wrote: (...) probably close to 2 hours writing this message. I do not want to feed the trolls nor intend to hijack this thread, but I seem to have missed the mention of a Freerunner? Besides that, I can recognize you put a lot of effort into writing the essay. I can't remember another message to this list that comes close to half the character count of yours ;-) Good luck with your Freerunner! Boudewijn When it comes to N900 maybe worth mentioning here is fact, that SHR is now being ported to this device :) -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: running Xorg as non-root (with xserver-xorg-video-fbdev)
On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 20:05, Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi wrote: Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org writes: I expect that would be more because it tries to read /dev/input/event3 (or 4 or both) and perhaps doesn't have enough privileges? No it's because it uses the accelerometer which is a LED device and thus chown/chmod can not be used to grant permissions. I think you mean vibrator, which is controlled by sysfs interface. -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QI Bootloader with overclocked settings
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 20:59, Gennady Kupava g...@bsdmn.com wrote: Hi, Rashid Hi I already use the tuned glamo. But I would like to speed reclock the cpu to 500 mhz too. I didn't tried to combine 500 or 533 mhz clk2 or clk3 with glamo242. It should work. Sebastian (dos1) tried to build 465/116Mhz qi, but it didn't work for him. Such things seem individual for each freerunner (unfortunately CLK2 seem not working for some people too), so i think it's possible to find some better than default value (may be 450, or play with voltage), but nobody did it ATM. May be i'll try to test it later. Currently, i am on 242 timings and it works perfect in all aspects - no wsods, no problems with I/O while booting or booted, except one annoyance - i have to boot it via menu because in 33% of cases uboot seem loading kernel image in some wrong way, so it not passes crc checking, so i have to select and boot kernel again in such cases. sometimes it will not boot from second time too, which is actually strange and quite annoying. Gennady. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community http://dos.openmoko.pl/overclock/ :) -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QI Bootloader with overclocked settings
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 21:09, Gennady Kupava g...@bsdmn.com wrote: Hi, Sebastian, Are this: http://dos.openmoko.pl/overclock/ all glamo 2-4-2 qi's? According to patches, they are not. We talking now about combined 242 and changed clock settings. Gennady Oh, then not. I'll try to provide them soon in the same directory. Thanks for pointing :) -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] X forwarding: export DISPLAY?
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 12:35, W. B. Kranendonk wankelwan...@yahoo.com wrote: --- On Wed, 8/18/10, Niels Heyvaert nielsheyva...@hotmail.com wrote: This looks like a pretty comprehensive how-to. Anyone documenting this on the Wiki? I benefited most of the conversation, so I had a look on the wiki and searched for ssh $DISPLAY forward, which gave some 40 (not always relevant) results; the $ and capitals are not taken in account. ssh $DISPLAY X11 forwarding narrowed it down to 9 results, still no useful page to update. Since disabling X11 forwarding in the default sshd config seems SHR specific, I had a look in the SHR manual. I'd put it under networking, but the networking chapter is divided into media: USB/Wifi/GPRS (and Bluetooth seperately). Would it be useful to have a chapter deamons defaults? Having just SSH in the middle is not in line with the structure of the manual. I had a look at the USB-networking page, but the issue is not specific to USB networking. A seperate page might lack context, so Any suggestions? Boudewijn Maybe we should enable it by default? Are there any disadventages? -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [opkg] packages-file incomplete?
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 13:58, sferic sfe...@gmx.net wrote: OK, I've seen - pisi had been removed from the repository today. But - how to synchronize PIM-data now? In expectation of an answer Sferic -- View this message in context: http://openmoko-public-mailinglists.1958.n2.nabble.com/opkg-packages-file-incomplete-tp5354144p5354680.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. Nothing had been removed, we just had to rebuild everything from scratch. When build finished, Pisi will be there again (if it builds correctly of course) -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: shr-messages, bubble style ?
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 11:16, Xavier Cremaschi omega.xav...@gmail.com wrote: Hi folks, is there any project to change shr-messages GUI ? If you browse : http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/wiki/Elementary you can see a nice use of the bubble widget : http://download.enlightenment.org/att/wiki/Elementary/elm-app-02.2.png I think it would be cool to be able to view a discussion in shr-messages, and not only one isolated message. Xavier (currently learning python-elementary) opkg install opimd-utils And try opimd-messages. opimd-utils is my playground in testing opimd and python-elementary, and opimd-messages is an application which uses chat view ;) (btw. I don't know which version is available in shr-testing, but it's possible it's too old - opimd-messages should display contact list at beginning, if it does not, then you have old version) -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Glamo slowness question. Glamo transfer speed improvements (+33%). Video sofdecoding playing profile. Glamo dma transfer.
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 09:17, ghislain ghisl...@basetrend.nl wrote: I've applied the glamo patch to the qi-bootloader I use for the QtMoko installer-images. You can download the qi-bootloader here [1]. It replaces the qi.img file in the installer image so you can reflash with this new bootloader. It is, of course, also possible to flash this new bootloader using dfu-util Ghislain http://www.basetrend.nl BaseTrend - http://www.openmobile.nl openmobile.nl [1] http://www.openmobile.nl/pages/downloads.php#qiglamo Could you please give us also a patch for that? I would like to compile some overclocked Qi's with this Glamo tweak. -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: at
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 20:41, Petr Vanek van...@penguin.cz wrote: Could someone please explain how does the the at_over_dbus work? How can i register a command to be executed at certain time? thank you Petr Maybe just take a look at ffalarms source, or ask author - AFAIR that's he who patched atd to work over dbus. You'll find contact to him at http://ffalarms.projects.openmoko.org/ -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: cpu reclocking to 500Mhz, overclocking to 533Mhz, performance tests and bootloader images
On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 19:19, David Vermeille dve...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/7/4 Tha_Man jeroenb...@hotmail.com Hi again, I couldn't resist to do some more testing, so I copied my QtMoko SDcard installation to NAND. QtMoko from NAND boots fine in most cases (see overview), it's suspend and resume that fails when overclocked. However, suspend and resume works fine with the original NAND U-boot and your default clocked U-boot. I've flashed the overclocked images exactly as you posted and flashed u-boot_env.in as well, no errors were reported during flashing. Here's an overview: Tested under QtMoko v24, using different u-boot images flashed in NAND: + u-boot-gta02v5-1.3.1: works fine + u-boot.udfu_400_100_1.7: works fine - u-boot.udfu_450_112_1.65_1.9: won't boot (hangs on 'Starting kernel...') - u-boot.udfu_450_112_1.7_1.9_sdmax: won't boot (hangs on 'Starting kernel...') * u-boot.udfu_500_83_1.7: fails to resume after suspend * u-boot.udfu_500_83_1.7_1.8_CLK2: fails to resume after suspend * u-boot.udfu_533_88_1.7: fails to resume after suspend * u-boot.udfu_533_88_1.7_1.8_CLK2: fails to resume after suspend So most u-boot images boot fine with QtMoko v24 and report the correct speeds, but my phone doesn't wake up after suspend with any of the overclocked images; I have to remove the battery to be able to boot again. Even the 450Mhz-images you reported as 'working under qtmoko' fail with me, but I'm not sure if you tested suspend and resume. I'm using the default v24-kernel, based on 2.6.29 I believe. I hope my tests are of any help, if I need to test something else, please let me know. Cheers, Tha_Man -- View this message in context: http://openmoko-public-mailinglists.1958.n2.nabble.com/cpu-reclocking-to-500Mhz-overclocking-to-533Mhz-performance-tests-and-bootloader-images-tp5242777p5253190.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Hi, I'm using QtMoko on SD from a long time and wanted to give these uboot versions (500 and 533) a try. I kept my uboot env because yours doesn't seem to add any new parameters. They worked well but I have the same problems as Tha_Man : my FR doesn't resume after suspend. Back to your 400 uboot, the same QtMoko (same partitions and uboot env) suspends and resumes well. SHR-U suffers from the same symptoms. I hope you'll be able to track and solve this problem because FR is really faster at 500 or 533 Mhz and that's great. -- David ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Try 450 or 465 versions. With them suspend and resume works well for me :) -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: cpu reclocking to 500Mhz, overclocking to 533Mhz, performance tests and bootloader images
On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 21:23, Tha_Man jeroenb...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, Gennady suggested the same thing, but the 450Mhz-settings fail on kernel start (see my previous message, I haven't tried the 465 settings). These settings need a recompiled kernel according to Gennady's first message, did you recompile your kernel? If not, I'm very curious why it doesn't work for me! I'm assuming you're running QtMoko v24 as well, either from SD or NAND. Cheers, Tha_Man 450/112 and 465/116 settings work for me even with 1.55V (just tested) and it seems to not work for others, as they need at least 1.65V :x But I can't use 533/88 nor CLK3, so it seems to be kind of deal ;) (or just component tolerance :D) I'm using SHR with our default 2.6.32 kernel. -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: cpu reclocking to 500Mhz, overclocking to 533Mhz, performance tests and bootloader images
On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 21:36, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak d...@dosowisko.net wrote: On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 21:23, Tha_Man jeroenb...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, Gennady suggested the same thing, but the 450Mhz-settings fail on kernel start (see my previous message, I haven't tried the 465 settings). These settings need a recompiled kernel according to Gennady's first message, did you recompile your kernel? If not, I'm very curious why it doesn't work for me! I'm assuming you're running QtMoko v24 as well, either from SD or NAND. Cheers, Tha_Man 450/112 and 465/116 settings work for me even with 1.55V (just tested) and it seems to not work for others, as they need at least 1.65V :x But I can't use 533/88 nor CLK3, so it seems to be kind of deal ;) (or just component tolerance :D) I'm using SHR with our default 2.6.32 kernel. If someone wants to test: http://dos.openmoko.pl/overclock/qi-s3c2442-master_c38b062a609f1442-dos-465-116-1.55-1.8.udfu Qi with CPU clocked at 465MHz with 1.55V and memory at 115MHz with 1.8V (so no kernel patch needed) http://dos.openmoko.pl/overclock/465-116-1.55-1.8.patch It works for me and so far seems to be stable, but most of you will probably need memory voltage being bumped to 1.9V and for that you need to patch kernel. I have GTA02A5 with date code 20080621. U-Boots compiled by gena2x are available at http://bsdmn.com/openmoko/uboot500/ -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: cpu reclocking to 500Mhz, overclocking to 533Mhz, performance tests and bootloader images
On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 22:22, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak d...@dosowisko.net wrote: On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 21:36, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak d...@dosowisko.net wrote: On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 21:23, Tha_Man jeroenb...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, Gennady suggested the same thing, but the 450Mhz-settings fail on kernel start (see my previous message, I haven't tried the 465 settings). These settings need a recompiled kernel according to Gennady's first message, did you recompile your kernel? If not, I'm very curious why it doesn't work for me! I'm assuming you're running QtMoko v24 as well, either from SD or NAND. Cheers, Tha_Man 450/112 and 465/116 settings work for me even with 1.55V (just tested) and it seems to not work for others, as they need at least 1.65V :x But I can't use 533/88 nor CLK3, so it seems to be kind of deal ;) (or just component tolerance :D) I'm using SHR with our default 2.6.32 kernel. If someone wants to test: http://dos.openmoko.pl/overclock/qi-s3c2442-master_c38b062a609f1442-dos-465-116-1.55-1.8.udfu Qi with CPU clocked at 465MHz with 1.55V and memory at 115MHz with 1.8V (so no kernel patch needed) http://dos.openmoko.pl/overclock/465-116-1.55-1.8.patch It works for me and so far seems to be stable, but most of you will probably need memory voltage being bumped to 1.9V and for that you need to patch kernel. I have GTA02A5 with date code 20080621. U-Boots compiled by gena2x are available at http://bsdmn.com/openmoko/uboot500/ More Qi's to test at http://dos.openmoko.pl/overclock/ -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: sd performance tests, bonnie++ with different filesystems.
On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 11:19, Gennady Kupava g...@bsdmn.com wrote: - flash dying no big problem on replacable uSD yeah, it's much better to replace sd once in year for example but have +30% r/w speed during year. Please, don't look at uSD cards as flash devices. They have wear leveling mechanism to comply with that, so you don't really have to care about that (except on REALLY heavy usage) -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko 0.5.8 is out!
On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 13:36, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org wrote: http://blog.1407.org/2010/05/01/omnewrotate-0-5-8-is-out/ OMNewRotate 0.5.8 is out! Topic says something different... ;) -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Introducing the Freerunner Navigation Board
On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 13:48, Christoph Mair m...@chonyota.net wrote: Dear community, we are proud to release a hardware extension for our beloved Freerunner: a navigation board! What is it? The Freerunner Navigation Board is a small PCB which is able to measure rotations as well as the magnetic field in 3D respectively (i.e. compass and gyroscopes integrated). The navigation board can be integrated in the existing Freerunner case. How can we test it? In order to test the functionality of the sensors we developed a monitor application for sensors written completely in Vala. For more detailed information on both, Freerunner Navigation Board and Sensor Monitor, please refer to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Freerunner_Navigation_Board What can we do with it? No idea. Perhaps someone of you can find an appropriate use :p We are looking forward to get feedback and comments. Cheers, Christoph Michele Great! Could you write mail about it on shr-devel list with all needed information about drivers? I would like to see drivers for it included by default in SHR :) -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GameRunner distribution
On 4/29/10, Rafael Ignacio Zurita rizur...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello, GameRunner is an Openmoko Linux distribution. It aims convert the Freerunner open mobile phone in a Linux-based handheld game console. It is simple, and contains cool and suitable open source games for Linux mobile devices. http://gamerunner.sourceforge.net/ We have been working in this idea for a couple of months (in 2009), improving current openmoko games, and writting a game control useful for any game. Our first idea is always to have with us a SD full of games to play. Because the last two months we did not do much, I am announcing it, so other gamers can try it. All the games which use the new gamecontrol does not work well the first time you run these. After, all go okey. Moreover, we need to improve that general game control that we are writting, because it is not so cool yet. But well, you can play if you know well it :) For other games we have worked improving speed as well. If we get some free time to continue we will add super nintendo emulator (which we already have tested) and new versions of the new game control. After, we'll add more games specifically built for this game distro. The web site has some docs as well about our work. Cheers -- Rafael Ignacio Zurita GameRunner is based on Linux Image-gta02-g291a9d50_mwester-stable.bin kernel and Om2008.9-gta02-20081117.rootfs. XGlamo is providing X. OMG, it's sooo old! I think you can make it a LOT faster by using newer kernel (for instance, andy-tracking HEAD), and maybe X.org instead of Xglamo (but with this one i'm not sure if it will give performance boost, but I believe it will :P) -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Forking TangoGPS (was: tangoGPS community development, patches)
On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 16:05, Joshua Judson Rosen roz...@geekspace.com wrote: arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de writes: you are definitely off topic. this list is neither to insult others at your pleasure nor to discuss issues with your project or ego. Arne, You're right. So, please forgive the length of this post: those entirely tangogps related mails are filling up my account and have nothing to do with openmoko. please, stop abusing other projects infrastructure for your personal needs. I really hadn't intended this to get this crazy, when I posted asking Marcus what facilities were available to keep up what he's doing upstream and to communicate with the rest of the tangoGPS-hacking community. When I asked those questions, they were intended to be quick and easy to answer--and the expected quick exchange was indeed relevant to the Openmoko community, since there are so many people here who have been using and hacking on tangoGPS (or at least trying to). But it's devolved into high-traffic tiff with upstream just calling people names, and everyone else sharing their *frustrations*. I don't know if Marcus has actually *watched* (or at least listened to) that video that he referenced earlier in the thread (in message-ID 2010010653.776db...@acer, if anyone actually wants to go re-read the whole discussion in gmane or something): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSFDm3UYkeE ... but we all should watch it--it's pretty good. As they say, the community mailing-list isn't a group therapy session. It's clear that we're not getting anywhere, anyway. So, here goes: I'm forking tangoGPS. And this doesn't make me a `poisonous person'. This fork is being done with all possible respect, and I do still hope that it will be on the best possible terms--perhaps like when EGCS forked from GCC, or when people `fork' the Linux kernel to work on new subsystems: a good-natured fork to do more `experimental' exploration that may not be immediately possible or appropriate for Marcus in tangoGPS. Marcus will be free to incorporate whatever work we do on this new fork into future releases of tangoGPS, if he likes--on whatever timeline he likes; he'll also be free to ignore the parts that he doesn't like. As will everyone else. We're going to have a go at integrating libgps, for example. I'm going to try to do my best to provide a sense of leadership and direction on this new project (let's call it foxtrotGPS--I'm sure we can find many reasons for that name; I already have a slew of my own :)), and to be responsive when people submit patches for review (and hopefully inclusion). Even for people whose patches don't go upstream, we'll have a Bazaar VCS repository that you can use to keep track of what we're doing upstream and help maintain your patches (branches) going forward. If anyone's interested in relevant public discussion on foxtrotGPS, we have the foss-gps mailing list hosted by the folks at OSGeo: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS-GPS Thank you, Risto, for asking them create it :) Marcus: if you would like to talk about why I feel the need to fork your project and am proceeding despite my afore-mentioned reluctance-- and what, if anything, it means to you--we can talk about that privately. Let me know, and I'll give you my telephone-number--e-mail just doesn't seem to have enough bandwidth for us; I'd *really* prefer if we could keep things cordial and professional between our two projects. So, here we go. It'll be an adventure. We can dance if we want to. I know some people are probably going to be very excited by this news, but it takes a couple of days to get a fork properly bootstrapped-- it's not *just* `run through the codebase and change names' :) So please be patient, let your passions cool a *little* bit, and there will be something to show this weekend. Thank you, all. (And thank you, Marcus, especially!) -rozzin. -- Don't be afraid to ask (λf.((λx.xx) (λr.f(rr. Thanks, I was waiting for that since start of that discussion. If I were more interested in GPS apps, then I would do that myself ;) But doing something I won't be able to continue just to show something to someone would be a non-sense. Code available in some decent version control system is a must have to me when I'm contributing to some project, and in my opinion not having such SCM is good reason to fork. I wish both of projects good, as I like TangoGPS, but I don't like fact, that it doesn't have any public SCM available for read only access. I hope everything from FoxtrotGPS that can be merged into TangoGPS will be merged, and thanks to that both projects will become better. Forks can be both positive and negative, it all depends on people. -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Looking to pick up a FreeRunner
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 20:10, Warren Baird wjba...@alumni.uwaterloo.ca wrote: On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 6:02 PM, swoody swo...@ubuntu.com wrote: I am in a bit of a predicament with my current, closed (bleh!) cell phone. The screen stopped working, and incoming and outgoing calls have ceased as well. I tried to have it replaced through my cellular carrier, but they are trying to blame it on me saying that it must be abuse to the phone - with the condition the phone is in physically, this is obviously not the case. So I am rather ticked off with them. The good news is that this is a great opportunity for me to finally make the jump to a *free* phone. Hey Woody, Just a word of warning - the FR is a very fun device to play with - but if you expect it to be a fully functioning phone, you will probably be disappointed. I tried to use it as my cell phone for a long time, and found it *very* frustating - regularly missed calls and had to reboot it because it had hung. I've been using an N900 for a couple of months now, and am very happy with it - isn't quite as open as the FR, but it is open *enough* for me, and it *works*... Of course if laying out $200 for an FR is a problem, then the N900 is probably out of reach... Good luck. Warren -- Warren Baird - Photographer and Digital Artist http://www.synergisticimages.ca Well, experiences depends. I'm really happy with my Freerunner, and i'm already using it as my only phone for more than year now. But maybe it's just matter of unix experience, spare time and... just good luck ;) -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] SHR Stable Party (Questions for press release/ blog post)
be welcomed :) 11. What is the relationship of SHR with FSO ( A bit about FSO too). Is SHR an user interface on top of FSO or does it offer something more? SHR is both user interface on top of FSO, and OE based distribution containing FSO, SHR apps and some other utilities. 12. Can someone highlight the Short term, medium term and long term benefits of using SHR to Hardware hackers and hardware manufacturers? For hardware hackers: it gives you a full access to hardware. It's unlocked, full Linux, like on PC. 13. What milestones does SHR hope to hit in 2010? I think SHR stable release. Also, we look forward to improvements in opimd done by TAsn and polishing user interface of phone apps. 13. Where do I find all the code and documentation for SHR? http://git.shr-project.org/ 14. When will SHR/ Stable be available :) When it'll be ready :) (I know I didn't answer exhaustive to all questions, but I hope answers from others will be complementary to mine ;)) Regards! -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Tracking power leackage in my freerunner
On 1/27/10, Fox Mulder quakem...@gmx.net wrote: ri...@happyleptic.org schrieb: I monitored power consumption all day long (from full battery to empty). I observed that the average current consumption (from /sys/.../current_now) is 78mA when idle. My battery, at full charge, is shown to store 1.1Ah (according to /sys/.../charge_now), which leads to battery life of 14h which is exactly what I observed. So, I suspect that 78mA when idle, supposed to be in deep sleep mode with a #1024 fixed device is far from ideal. I thought the #1024 fix is only helping while the freerunner is suspended. For me this fix only changed the current which was consumed while suspended and extended my standby time by a factor of nearly 2x. Ciao, Rainer Suspend doesn't matter, that's thing related to GSM deep sleep (so something like GSM chipset suspend, not Freerunner CPU suspend) -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-U] Stop keyboard auto-display?
That's bug, not intended behaviour. Just wait for fix for that. On 1/27/10, vancel35 van...@thespazcat.com wrote: I recently did an update / upgrade, and I've notice that the problem is back, but more stupid. I removed the package again (matchbox-keyboard-im), and the package that depended on it but provided no files (opkg files showed the package name, but nothing in the list). I suppose that package was simply added to create a dependency on the other package. The complaint I had in non-GTK apps is still there, but now it's more severe. Any time I close an app such as the power settings, the keyboard has to pop up because of that click and it stays visible on the settings page even though there are absolutely no entry fields. In fact, almost any time I click a Python button, the keyboard appears. In the messages (SMS) app, if I'm going through and deleting my old messages, the keyboard pops up every time I click Options so I have to wait for the screen to redraw. Then the keyboard stays there regardless of the fact that there is nothing that allows text entry on that screen. Why does it seem that the keyboard is being forced to be more obtrusive when I want it to be less obtrusive? If there were some kind of setting that I could turn off, I'd be happy, but there's nothing. Maybe a lot of people like the keyboard popping up when you don't want it (and in places where you can't even use it), but I'm not one of those. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/SHR-U-Stop-keyboard-auto-display-tp4256334p4468921.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian/shr apps] call list?
On 1/21/10, arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de wrote: Try pyphonelog, it reads the call history from opimd. the one currently in pkg-fso seems unable to cope with the format opimd delivers, but the one in the shr feeds works better. better meaning, it does not start by default due to $ phonelog /usr/bin/phonelog:758: Warning: 'with' will become a reserved keyword in Python 2.6 File /usr/bin/phonelog, line 758 with open(CONFIGURATION_FILE,'w+') as f: ^ SyntaxError: invalid syntax i don't quite understand, why a warning will produce a syntax error and moreover, why the very same lines (the last two) in the debian version work. for the moment i commented those two lines, but since phonelog depends on it to determine new calls, it is not a viable solution. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community That's just python2.6 syntax, and you're using python2.5. I'll try to look tommorow to make pyphonelog compatible with python2.5, -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FSO] Problem with opimd and Messages
On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 14:37, Bastian Muck bastian.m...@gmx.de wrote: Hallo list, i have a problem with opimd and the messageinterface. First i checked how many messages are contained in Folder SMS: r...@om-gta02 ~/test $ mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.opimd /org/freesmartphone/PIM/Messages/Folders/2 GetMessageCount 9 So there should be 9 SMS. ( In fact there are just 7, but two of them are double-sms) Then I tried to get some of them: r...@om-gta02 ~/test $ mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.opimd /org/freesmartphone/PIM/Messages/Folders/2 GetMessagePaths 1 5 [ '/org/freesmartphone/PIM/Messages/1', '/org/freesmartphone/PIM/Messages/2', '/org/freesmartphone/PIM/Messages/3', '/org/freesmartphone/PIM/Messages/4', '/org/freesmartphone/PIM/Messages/5'] Ok, the first five are no problem. But as you can see, number 6 fails: r...@om-gta02 ~/test $ mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.opimd /org/freesmartphone/PIM/Messages/Folders/2 GetMessagePaths 1 6 /org/freesmartphone/PIM/Messages/Folders/2: GetMessagePaths failed: org.freedesktop.DBus.Python.TypeError (Traceback (most recent call last): File /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/dbus/service.py, line 702, in _message_cb retval = candidate_method(self, *args, **keywords) File /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_messages.py, line 254, in GetMessagePaths result.append(message['Path']) TypeError: 'NoneType' object is unsubscriptable ) Even if I just want to get only the path of message 6 it fails. Any idea what I do wrong? Greetings Bastian Folders are completely not tested, and as you just noticed: they don't work yet. I'll maybe look at them soon, but that's rather on low priority. -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FSO] Problem with opimd and Messages
On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 16:45, Bastian Muck bastian.m...@gmx.de wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am 15.01.2010 16:19, schrieb Sebastian Krzyszkowiak: On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 14:37, Bastian Muck bastian.m...@gmx.de wrote: Hallo list, i have a problem with opimd and the messageinterface. First i checked how many messages are contained in Folder SMS: r...@om-gta02 ~/test $ mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.opimd /org/freesmartphone/PIM/Messages/Folders/2 GetMessageCount 9 So there should be 9 SMS. ( In fact there are just 7, but two of them are double-sms) Then I tried to get some of them: r...@om-gta02 ~/test $ mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.opimd /org/freesmartphone/PIM/Messages/Folders/2 GetMessagePaths 1 5 [ '/org/freesmartphone/PIM/Messages/1', '/org/freesmartphone/PIM/Messages/2', '/org/freesmartphone/PIM/Messages/3', '/org/freesmartphone/PIM/Messages/4', '/org/freesmartphone/PIM/Messages/5'] Ok, the first five are no problem. But as you can see, number 6 fails: r...@om-gta02 ~/test $ mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.opimd /org/freesmartphone/PIM/Messages/Folders/2 GetMessagePaths 1 6 /org/freesmartphone/PIM/Messages/Folders/2: GetMessagePaths failed: org.freedesktop.DBus.Python.TypeError (Traceback (most recent call last): File /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/dbus/service.py, line 702, in _message_cb retval = candidate_method(self, *args, **keywords) File /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_messages.py, line 254, in GetMessagePaths result.append(message['Path']) TypeError: 'NoneType' object is unsubscriptable ) Even if I just want to get only the path of message 6 it fails. Any idea what I do wrong? Greetings Bastian Folders are completely not tested, and as you just noticed: they don't work yet. I'll maybe look at them soon, but that's rather on low priority. How do you access sms then? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iD8DBQFLUI22lYiDScJJ+7QRAvTlAKC2x3b+XNLWVgFYafO9pUZt1x0bGgCffCO3 fUbRGAAPEi38BB76g9c+PNk= =Yv+V -END PGP SIGNATURE- Normally, using queries, not those strange things called folders :P Look at opimd-cli, it can be useful to understand how to use opimd interfaces. -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: elm_browser initial release
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 09:00, c_c cchan...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, Petr Vanek wrote: keep it lite OK. Petr Vanek wrote: toggle fullscreen Is it needed? I'm using the screen except for the illume slipshelf on top - and even that shows the page title. If I did do so (the page title tells you what you're browsing and is redundant in that sense) - how would I manage to do it in elementary. Petr Vanek wrote: rotate the screen (not X), hopefully performance will stay :) How do I do that in elementary? Petr Vanek wrote: possibility to stop loading Will add that under the menu. Petr Vanek wrote: toggle loading-displaying images Any ideas how webkit does that? Thanks. About how do i do that in elementary: elm_win_fullscreen_set IIRC. And for rotating: look at elementary_tests, it's there ;) -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] shr: phonefsod and dbus
On 1/10/10, arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de wrote: hi, just installed the phoneui-apps and phonefsod -- but phonefsod seems to have some problem: [phonefsod] WARNING: Unable to register service: Connection :1.14 is not allowed to own the service is shr still using root as default user? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community phonefsod should be started as root IIRC (and it should do that by default with init script). That's phoneuid which starts as user under X. -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Some questions about Navit
On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 06:40, dehqan65 dehqa...@gmail.com wrote: In The Name Of God The compassionate merciful hello; 1 - Tangogps has an option that let us to use google sat maps , Can google sat maps be used with Navit ? 2- To set up route , in this step after selecting country (Iran) , town should be selected , but there is not town name in list , humble wrote town name manualy now, how to save it ? of course humble started from this step to setup route . are previous steps required? 3 - To use speech option on Navit ,this speech-dispatcher is required but it's link is down . Regarsds dehqan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community No, don't use speech-dispatcher on Freerunner. It most cases it's breaking whole audio functionality of your phone. Use espeak or flite directly instead (just uncomment it in default config) -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-U] Stop keyboard auto-display?
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 18:33, vancel35 van...@thespazcat.com wrote: Back in the days of the April release for SHR-Testing, the keyboard wouldn't auto-display, and I thought that was somewhat inconvenient, so I was happy when I upgraded to SHR-U and saw that the keyboard would auto-display when I clicked in text fields. However, I've found that the behavior is more annoying than having to pull up the keyboard when I want it. There are many times that a program will automatically put the cursor into a text field, and I don't want to do anything with that text field, so I have to manually close the keyboard. Then I click somewhere else on the screen, and it happens to go into a text area again... the keyboard auto-displays, and I have to manually close it again. Is there a configuration that I can tell it to only display and hide manually? I want it to stay invisible until I want it, and I want it to stay visible until I'm done... indicated by hitting the button to activate / deactivate. I don't want it to try to interpret when it thinks I want it and when I don't. I've searched the mailing list using Nabble, and the only thing I found was from when the matchbox keyboard was a separate application, and there was a separate configuration (/etc/matchbox/session). Unfortunately that path doesn't exist in the December release. Thanks for any info. -Laura -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/SHR-U-Stop-keyboard-auto-display-tp4256334p4256334.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community That's matchbox-keyboard-im which makes keyboard popping up automatically with GTK+ apps (don't be suggested with name, on default install matchbox-keyboard-im pops up Illume keyboard ;)). You can uninstall that package. -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-U] Wifi?
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 20:03, Iain B. FIndleton ifindle...@videotron.ca wrote: After many spent hours trying to get wifi and bluetooth up and running on SHR-U, I am about to conclude that these features just do not work. Wifi, after doing the bind and module reload things, works for about 10 pings, then appears to just stop, hanging the USB connection as well. Bluetooth, after trying to install bluez4 and encountering installation errors relating to lack of the bluetooth file in init.d, appears to do absolutely nothing. The mokonnect application is pretty useless to me for some reason, and the settings app appears to not set anything. Anybody actually have reliable bluetooth and/or wifi working on the SHR-U using the .29 kernel from last December? If so, what is the formula? I didn't try bluetooth, but WiFi just works here with plain wpa_supplicant, with open, WPA and WEP networks. When signal is weak, wmiconfig -i eth0 --power maxperf is sometimes very helpful. -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Navigation
On 1/4/10, Davide Scaini dsca...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Neil Jerram neiljer...@googlemail.comwrote: 2010/1/4 Yorick Moko yorickm...@gmail.com: c'mon, you know he meant well Yes indeed. I apologize for raising this issue on Mike's thread; I should have started a new thread and so not have singled out Mike in particular. Best wishes, Neil just my 2c: maybe you confuse free software with open source software and viceversa... Mike releases his software as free software now... maybe late as an open source one. But that's not the topic. Keep on going guys! d ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I think you're now confusing free software with freeware. Free software app has to be open source (but not in opposite way - freeware and open source apps not always are free software) What he did is freeware. Open source could be when I'd be able to look at source, and free software would be when I'd be able to do with that source what I want. Remember, in free software term free means freedom, not free beer (as in freeware) :P -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 16:44, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak seba.d...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 14:07, Petr Vanek van...@penguin.cz wrote: P Perhaps some remaining users and developers P from others FreeRunner distributions will be persuaded by the result P to also migrate to SHR. and that would be a good thing? not sure everybody would want to reboot everytime after gprs usage [1] and not have sent sms storage [2],[3]... Petr [1] http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/474 [2] http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/231 [3] http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/386 WTF? Sent sms storage is implemented for quite long time... They are just displayed together with incoming ones, as there is no different view for sent messages yet. And thanks for reminding us about 386, it probably should be closed now :) Ok, looked at that ticket more carefully and edited it. But still, it doesn't make your point valid ;) And that strange GPRS issue (which is even more strange to me, because I never had that on my FR :x) is going to be resolved soon with ogsmd-fsogsmd transition (which is also going to give us nice performance boost) (But I don't think it's good to have everyone using one distro. Of course as SHR developer I would like more users, but as free software developer in general I think it's really important to have choice. And to not spread FUD :P) -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 19:33, Petr Vanek van...@penguin.cz wrote: WTF? Not necessary here IMHO. Sorry, I'm not native speaker, so this doesn't have such strong meaning for me, maybe WTH could be better ;) Sent sms storage is implemented for quite long time... They are just displayed together with incoming ones, as there is no different view for sent messages yet. And thanks for reminding us about 386, it probably should be closed now :) thanks for reopening the bug for the missing view. i am testing this now and for some reason i can receive sms from other people, i can also send sms and yes, can see them in the inbox (great, thank you) but when sending sms to myself, never seem to receive (or perhaps just see?) the message in inbox. this led me to the conclusion sent messages are not saved because for a message from me to me i can see just one message and not two. this is on shr-u, upgraded today. That can be bug then, I'll try to check it (I'm sure it doesn't happen when sending from opimd-utils) And that strange GPRS issue (which is even more strange to me, because I never had that on my FR :x) is going to be resolved soon with ogsmd-fsogsmd transition (which is also going to give us nice performance boost) just because you never had it does not mean it doesn't exist. i know I perfectly know that, read again what I wrote and don't worry :P about the ogsmd-fsogsmd transition and am eagerly waiting for it, holding by breath and wishing Mickey will manage to have it done before jumping to his other duties. strangely enough, i didn't have the GPRS issue for some time before Christmas, now it bites every time i use gprs. And to not spread FUD :P) looking at the tickets (reopened and existing), i am aware of being constructively critical but not FUD spreading. Well, both of SHR tickets you mentioned were closed when you wrote that mail. One of them I reopened after I read it, but due to other reasons than mentioned in your mail (as I removed storing sent messages and also few other already implemented things from this ticket). Maybe, again, FUD is too strong wording, but still your point wasn't valid ;) cheers Petr -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
On 1/2/10, Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no wrote: Does anyone else have trouble doing opkg ugrade over gprs? mine hangs after a bit. I never tried that - but make sure the thing doesn't suspend. The problem happens somewhere between the wget application and the kernel stack. It shows up with larger files being downloaded. Not too large, a few dozen kB is enough. When I see it happening, I repeat the wget download that opkg was trying to do, and I can see that wget is actually in stalled state after the first kB. If I retry the download with the continue option, it eventually downloads the whole file, retry after retry, chunk by chunk. This only happens with GPRS, so I assume it is related to kernel or pppd or around this... Have you tried a different kernel? The kernel is in a separate flash, so upgrading the root filesystem doesn't change the kernel, it must be installed separately. It could help - if it is a kernel problem. If nothing helps, consider trying a different phone company. The problem could be there too. Helge Hafting AFAIR there was some problem like that with GSM firmware. Do you have it upgraded? -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [dbus] usage for SetBrightness
On 12/30/09, jeremy jozwik jerjoz.for...@gmail.com wrote: list, im am trying to set the phones brightness/suspend on off/dim on off via the terminal. ive gotten so far as this page: http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=blob_plain;f=html/org.freesmartphone.Device.Display.html;hb=HEAD#SetBrightness which gives the command: SetBrightness and have attempted to use it by: org.freesmartphone.Device.Display GetBrightness mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.Device.Display GetBrightness mdbus -s /org/freesmartphone/device/display org.freesmartphone.Device.Display GetBrightness and its fairly obvious that i am doing something wrong. what would be the proper command for getting brightness level and setting it. - jeremy mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.odeviced /org/freesmartphone/Device/Display/0 org.freesmartphone.Device.Display.GetBrightness mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.odeviced /org/freesmartphone/Device/Display/0 org.freesmartphone.Device.Display.SetBrightness 100 -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
On 12/30/09, Torfinn Ingolfsen tin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 9:30 PM, Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote: Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? No. I still test stuff on it when time permits. Do you use FR as your primary PDA? No. Currently, I don't have a PDA. The only thing I need from a PDA is to sync with my calendar at work (Exchange mailbox), and the FreeRunner can't do that (yet?). What distribution you run most of the time? QtMoko. Note: I would have tested more distributions had there existed an _easy_ way to boot several distributions (multi-boot) from one SD card. Currently it seems that each distribution requires a different bootloader. I only know about Android needing forked Qi. Which other distro also requires you to have custom bootloader? If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change over to, and why? Nokia E61, then a Nokia basic model (the E61 died( I never switched _to_ the FreeRunner, because of the short battery life. Having to charge it one or more times during 8 hours is to much hassle for me, and impractical, as I don't carry a computer with me at all times. Strange, maybe your QtMoko just doesn't do well power management. Here I need to recharge every ~2 days of normal usage, and battery time when using GPS is also just nice, for instance for GSM cell logging (I have second battery from my old Nokia and I don't need more) I really wanted to use the FreeRunner as a GPS (for tracking), but the short battery life (even shorter with GPS active all the time) makes it impractical. -- Regards, Torfinn Ingolfsen -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 21:30, Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote: Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? Yes. Do you use FR as your primary PDA? Yes. I'm even programming on it ;) What distribution you run most of the time? Of course latest SHR-unstable, being upgraded constantly for about year without reflashing ;) -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: shr-launcher new release for shr-u
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 15:23, c_c cchan...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, Vladimir Berezenko wrote: Contacts are shown partly. Only Name field is used. So no surnames. Phones are shown also only those, which are marked as Phone in OPIM. Those who are Cell phone, Work phone, etc are not shown. Ahh! That's something I missed. Can you send me a list of fields you're using for contacts? I'll add this functionality too. Thanks for pointing this out. Please, don't implement it like list of fields, as it'll be plain wrong. Use .*[Pp]hone scheme, or (better) look at upcoming field types API. -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: shr-launcher new release for shr-u
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 16:12, c_c cchan...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote: Please, don't implement it like list of fields, as it'll be plain wrong. Use .*[Pp]hone scheme, or (better) look at upcoming field types API. Sure - can you point me to the API? Thanks It's always in the same place: http://docs.freesmartphone.org/ :P -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [shr-u 20091205] remove fancy slider lock for old screen bar lock
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 16:39, jeremy jozwik jerjoz.for...@gmail.com wrote: list, how are you this cold morning? ive just updated to shr-u 20091205 and so far so good. the only thing i really do not like is the new screen locked graphic. how do i remove this new setup and return to the ugly old black bar that shows across the screen saying locked? It's dead simple: just disable/remove shr-today and bind AUX button to SimpleLock action in enlightenment config. -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Experiment: better sound on remote end
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 23:21, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org wrote: On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 08:31:22PM +0100, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote: On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 15:17, David Garabana Barro da...@garabana.com wrote: On Wednesday 02 December 2009 15:12:36 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 02:56:28PM +0100, arne anka wrote: did you ever change the gsmhandset.state file after applied buzz fix? the tracker links to an improved file specifically tuned for buzz fixed devices and so far used by a lot of peoples. I'm using current SHR with the state file that's provided. I can't understand why they changed state file. Old one worked OK on most Neos. New one sounds bad on almost every one... You can try the state.file from old SHR... Here old one was unusable at all here, new one is quite good. And new one was official Openmoko's one, and now you can adjust volume with sliders in UI - so what's the problem? Speaking of the sliders, are they persistent in the value they set? Rui AFAIK yes. -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Experiment: better sound on remote end
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 15:17, David Garabana Barro da...@garabana.com wrote: On Wednesday 02 December 2009 15:12:36 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 02:56:28PM +0100, arne anka wrote: did you ever change the gsmhandset.state file after applied buzz fix? the tracker links to an improved file specifically tuned for buzz fixed devices and so far used by a lot of peoples. I'm using current SHR with the state file that's provided. I can't understand why they changed state file. Old one worked OK on most Neos. New one sounds bad on almost every one... You can try the state.file from old SHR... Here old one was unusable at all here, new one is quite good. And new one was official Openmoko's one, and now you can adjust volume with sliders in UI - so what's the problem? -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SHR buildhost: unstable gta01 images gone?
On 11/26/09, Andy Poling a...@realbig.com wrote: The http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta01 directory has seemingly vanished. The om-gta02 directory is still there. Is this permanent? That was my favorite place to get kernels. :( -Andy It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so. - Mark Twain Don't worry, we'll try to build om-gta01 kernel and image soon :) -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: tangogps 0.99.1
On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 14:36, Marcus Bauer marcus.ba...@gmail.com wrote: Hi out there, the latest release of tangoGPS is out. New features include: * a revamped layout - better usage of screen estate on the Freerunner and much nice layout on netbooks and laptops * route tracks - you can now fetch route tracks from the web using three different webservices I have made a ARM EABI binary (only the binary, not a package). The full news with screenshots on http://www.tangogps.org/ Have fun! Marcus And SHR unstable users can already just do opkg update opkg upgrade to get new TangoGPS :) -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fwd: [Shr-User] SHR-unstable got a facelift. And you a christmas present....
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 21:32, Russell Dwiggins undrwa...@verizon.net wrote: Some of my observations after use: * screen lock on Power Button now works; but it takes you to a password screen without keyboard * gry theme is not fully selected on fresh flash; some of the elements are still default illume (illume settings | theme stuff). * power settings don't save; change suspend idle screen lock settings, quit, go back and they are reset to default * Changing fonts crashes illume; change fonts in illume settings Look tab will crash illume * illume keyboard seems to be working in landscape now!! :) I'll have to test further, but it looks promising. Questions: I notice that eve (web browser) is in the repo, but it doesn't work: r...@om-gta02 ~ $ eve ERROR: could not load theme from file '/usr/share/eve/data/default.edj', group 'eve.scrollframe': File Does Not Exist ERROR: could not load theme from file '/usr/share/eve/data/default.edj', group 'eve.navigator': File Does Not Exist Error #2 while loading the group 'scrollbar.vertical'. Error #2 while loading the group 'scrollbar.vertical'. Error Number: 2 while loading the group 'webkit/widget/entry'. Error Number: 2 while loading the group 'webkit/widget/button'. Error #2 while loading the group 'scrollbar.vertical'. Error #2 while loading the group 'scrollbar.horizontal'. Error #2 while loading the group 'scrollbar.vertical'. Error #2 while loading the group 'scrollbar.horizontal'. Is this a work in progress? Thanks for all the work!! :) Russell Dwiggins Try to opkg install eve-themes -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Fun]Pipboy2009 first alpha prototype(v0.01)
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 10:58, Atilla Filiz atilla.fi...@gmail.com wrote: This prototype was developed with every DIYer's favourite disposable, duct tape. http://img410.yfrog.com/i/17112009m.jpg/ The setup needs further optimisation, as the tape is not strong enough to hold the device in place, and the device should be moved more to the back so it doesn't obstruct wrist movement. -- - Atilla Filiz Eindhoven University of Technology Embedded Systems, Master's Programme Quite off topic... but WTF, are you really still using Om2007.2? O_o Well, I understand, it's *much* better than Om2008, but 2008 is also abandoned and I now really recommend some FSO based distro... ;) Well, at least you have really powerful watch ;D -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Fun]Pipboy2009 first alpha prototype(v0.01)
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 17:25, Tony McKeehan mck...@rpi.edu wrote: He's using rev5rc1 of Hackable:1. It's based on 2007.2, but much more advanced. It's not an FSO-based distro, but the devs say that they'll convert it to FSO by the time rev6 comes out. -Tonym Sorry then... I forgot about hackable:1 :) -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [opimd] Call from opimd-contacts isn't working
On 11/9/09, Peter Nijs moko...@depeje.net wrote: Hello, I never succeed in calling someone from the opimd-contacts application. There is just no response. When you would expect the dailer (standard shr) to pop up, it doesn't. Running opimd-contacts from the commandline doesn't reveal much. At startup I just get: r...@fry ~ $ opimd-contacts Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup() without pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/dbus/connection.py:242: DeprecationWarning: object.__init__() takes no parameters super(Connection, self).__init__(*args, **kwargs) Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup() without pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup() without pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged . And a bunch of them! Nothing happens on the cli when I press the number to call from the contact. I use version 0.0.3+gitr133+11536ff92e44c956bb53af210fbe0ab806d8dcaf-r2 of opimd-utils. Is this still normal, or should this work by now? Depeje Check your ogsmd and ophonekitd/phonefsod. opimd-contacts is just calling InitiateCall method, nothing more, rest is to be done by other apps. -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ideal screen rotation
On 11/8/09, Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com wrote: 1. omnewroatte ONLY listens to accelerometers and talks to the wm (via any mechanism you like) telling it what position the phone is in. that is all it does. nothing else. all other decisions are made by the wm base on as you said above, the properties of the window - which app is currently active (change apps between one that wants to be portrait wants to be landscape, the wm has to flip orientation when you flip apps. etc. for example - e already has a config dialog for changing screen resoltion and rotation. it already handles this stuff - it's missing the logic of reading some as-yet-uninvented property from a window and 2. handling that property with respect to rotation. any wm can do this. this is definitely a job that belongs in properties of a window and the wm to read them, follow their changes, and do the right thing) Then there is no need for omnewrotate, as fsodeviced is already doing exactly that via dbus. -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: This might be illegal!
On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 04:59, Aditya Gandhi aditya...@gmail.com wrote: Hi people, Those who really wish to go by the book, don't like to break simple laws please stop here. I don't mean to be rude, but don't want people who usually don't break the law to get lured.. Is there anyway in which we can use their emulator, probably hack the g1 emulator and reverse engineer the android market so we can have it on freerunner, I know it wouldn,t be easy but I think it would be worth it. Cause I think its not the processor which is different, but the api which google uses for these apps to run. The main point here is I don't know how to do it, but wan't to and I'm asking for help of the people who can do it. Please confirm if you wish to For apps written in their native API (not Dalvik) processor can be a problem - on gta01/02 we have armv4t, and on G1 there is armv5. -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Centralization of graphical awesomeness
On 11/4/09, Ole Kliemann ole-om-community-2...@mail.plastictree.net wrote: On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 08:45:08PM +0300, Paul Fertser wrote: Marcel tan...@googlemail.com writes: - graphics in general are far too light, most colors become whiteish - colored stripes horizontally over the whole display, but are invisible on screenshots (naturally) - the same as above, but photographed: http://d-a300.selfip.net/files/shr-today-qvga.jpg Known problem, try these timings for fbset: mode 240x320 geometry 240 420 240 320 16 timings 10 8 88 2 2 8 2 rgba 5/11,6/5,5/0,0/0 endmode Where would I have to put that? A mode for xrandr I guess, but how do I teach it to use that? Nah, just use fbset utility. Following the instructions in this thread gives me a somewhat graphically intact screen. But the touchable area is -- like stated before -- reduced to the upper left quarter of the screen. But this quarter scales to the whole screen: touching upper left corner is a click in the upper left corner, touching the lower right corner of the upper left quarter results in a click on the lower right corner of the whole screen. Is this the problem with the touchscreen driver mentioned by Raster? And how could this be resolved? I still consider speed one of the usability issues of the FR. And I think it is responsiveness shiny things. ;-) If you're using Xglamo, then it's known and it's already fixed in Xorg. -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: tangogps 0.9.8
On 11/3/09, Yorick Moko yorickm...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Niall Haslam ni...@sgenomics.org wrote: On 2 Nov 2009, at 23:46, Robin Paulson wrote: 2009/11/2 Marcus Bauer marcus.ba...@gmail.com: I have currently no working OE here and there are now too many distribs. However, you can try the armel.deb. Just extract the tangogps binary from the .deb (do it on your desktop/laptop) and copy it to your Neo. .deb packages can be installed natively with opkg. you'll need to edit /etc/opkg/arch.conf, and add 'arch armel 36' (without the quotes) to the bottom then do wget http://www.tangogps.org/downloads/tangogps_0.9.8-1_armel.deb and opkg install tangogps_0.9.8-1_armel.deb I tried this but get an error saying: Enlightenment was unable to run the application tangogps. The application failed to start. Any other ideas. Or pointers as to how to package 0.9.8 for shr? add a ticket in shr trac I've just sent recipe for 0.9.8 to shr-devel. I'll try to build it soon. -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: tangogps 0.9.8
On 11/3/09, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak seba.d...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/3/09, Yorick Moko yorickm...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Niall Haslam ni...@sgenomics.org wrote: On 2 Nov 2009, at 23:46, Robin Paulson wrote: 2009/11/2 Marcus Bauer marcus.ba...@gmail.com: I have currently no working OE here and there are now too many distribs. However, you can try the armel.deb. Just extract the tangogps binary from the .deb (do it on your desktop/laptop) and copy it to your Neo. .deb packages can be installed natively with opkg. you'll need to edit /etc/opkg/arch.conf, and add 'arch armel 36' (without the quotes) to the bottom then do wget http://www.tangogps.org/downloads/tangogps_0.9.8-1_armel.deb and opkg install tangogps_0.9.8-1_armel.deb I tried this but get an error saying: Enlightenment was unable to run the application tangogps. The application failed to start. Any other ideas. Or pointers as to how to package 0.9.8 for shr? add a ticket in shr trac I've just sent recipe for 0.9.8 to shr-devel. I'll try to build it soon. tangogps 0.9.8-r0 is already in our tests/unstable feed :) -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Launcher v0.41 - New Release
On 10/30/09, Gand' gand...@viroenforce.com wrote: hi is it possible to define launcher as the default desktop application (ie making it disappear from the task list)? it's kind of annoying using it as an application ... -- Gand' On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Adam Jimerson vend...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 3:09 AM, Petr Vanek van...@penguin.cz wrote: it feels very responding, after all data is loaded. (most delays seem to be caused by waiting for the opimd data). Actually, the contacts are synced the first time only. The SMS's are typically not that many, but for opimd to go through all the calls, parse them and send them through the dbus really takes long. Since launcher doesn't know if you received calls when it wasn't running, it uses the time of the last call it has in its local db to query for newer calls from opim. Hence the delay. Typically, about 10 - 12 secs. Keeping a smaller log will speed up launcher. I've been thinking of deleting all the calls older than those launcher displays - or some x days automatically. What do you think? if the number of days is configurable (possible to set to unlimited), this would be very good. +1 for configurable number of days for the logs Did you like the the fact that your contacts now show when you contacted them last? Yes I like the fact that it shows when and how you contacted someone last, I have found this feature very useful already thank you for adding it! It should be possible. Launcher has to obtain X root window, just like openmoko-today2 was doing (someone reported recently that it works with Illume) -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Centralization of graphical awesomeness
On 10/28/09, DJDAS dj...@djdas.net wrote: And until some months ago there wasn't a simple theme for Illume (and please don't tell me creating Illume's themes is as easy as Qt or GTK...) But I will. Creating Illume themes and even redesigning it completely is easier than for Qt or GTK+. I tried it (i'm author of Niebiee theme), so I know :P Really, you're annoying. other people, I don't agree with Raster and SHR maintainers simply because they don't care users but think about themselves and this is why I never installed SHR and won't never write a program using EFL. Now you showed that you shouldn't write anything in this topic. How the hell you can say SHR developers don't care about users, when you never used it? And without basic knowledge about what's going? (to explain: for some time there is launched contest for light, fast and good looking Illume and elementary theme in SHR, which will became default, as we wanted to change default theme for really long time. Also light themes which already exist - niebiee, nEo and gry* - are available in repositories) Really, calm down. You're using strange arguments, which don't cover reality at all. And it's really near to trolling (if it isn't already). -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Centralization of graphical awesomeness
On 10/28/09, DJDAS dj...@djdas.net wrote: Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote: But I will. Creating Illume themes and even redesigning it completely is easier than for Qt or GTK+. I tried it (i'm author of Niebiee theme), so I know :P Really, you're annoying. Sorry other people, I don't agree with Raster and SHR maintainers simply because they don't care users but think about themselves and this is why I never installed SHR and won't never write a program using EFL. Now you showed that you shouldn't write anything in this topic. Sorry How the hell you can say SHR developers don't care about users, when you never used it? And without basic knowledge about what's going? (to explain: for some time there is launched contest for light, fast and good looking Illume and elementary theme in SHR, which will became default, as we wanted to change default theme for really long time. Maybe a contest asking if users wanted to launch opkg upgrade without messing their system at random one day yes and the following no? Maybe asking if the unstable or stable o testing branches could be useful for ALL instead of deciding to break things without any advice? I think community driven means we want to decide one thing do you agree with us or suggest something better? not we decide to do something and you are only passive testers simply because even the Freerunner is a high end user device, not every high end user is a Linux system expert or able to fix something...But maybe I'm wrong so sorry again... Really, calm down. You're using strange arguments, which don't cover reality at all. And it's really near to trolling (if it isn't already). It's not trolling, I never trolled or wanted to, but asked questions and told my opinion (I was rude in my first post but I explained why), if this is not acceptable only because I don't fully agree with Raster or SHR devs it's not my problem and I'll continue to work by myself and (if possible) share my results with anyone interested in, otherwise it's really not a problem and my life will go on as ever :) my way of thinking the Freerunner is written in the little green card I found in its box... So sorry again and good bye. Well, don't be sorry. Just please, be little more friendly when expressing your opinions, as discussing when being close to insults isn't nice ;) That's all. Personally I think you're wrong, but I'm not God, not even Flying Spaghetti Monster, so we both can be wrong ;) -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: My python + e program freeze after suspend
On 10/24/09, Laszlo KREKACS laszlo.krekacs.l...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 12:01 PM, Laszlo KREKACS laszlo.krekacs.l...@gmail.com wrote: Can somebody try out, and confirm? It is pretty sad, nobody had 2 minutes to try it out. What is more sad, that not my only program are affected, but any program which use elementary.Entry. So if you are typing an SMS in shr-messages or paroli's sms window, then it has the same symptom. Ie. after suspend-resume cycle you cant input anymore into Entry. Also it seems suspend-resume cycle is not even required, only change to an other window and change back. What I find the most strange, that nobody even noticed this bug until now Best regards, Laszlo Never experienced that, works ok here and always worked. -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: fso-abyss docs anywhere? (Was: GSM errors after 1024 fix)
On 10/18/09, Petr Vanek van...@penguin.cz wrote: I get messages like [2009-10-18 07:51:27.107655] Signal : cid=4E91, lac=006A [2009-10-18 07:52:45.145288] Signal : cid=4E7B, lac=006A [2009-10-18 07:53:18.218122] Signal : cid=4E91, lac=006A ... So I guess my #1024 is not fixed :-( The three lines you quoted are not showing #1024. Again, frequent cell _handovers_ are perfectly normal. #1024 is about dropping out of a cell, then recamping into it, e.g. it looks like that: [2009-10-18 07:51:27.107655] Signal : cid=4E91, lac=006A [2009-10-18 07:52:45.145288] Signal : cid=4E91, lac=006A [2009-10-18 07:53:18.218122] Signal : cid=4E91, lac=006A (NB: This compact debug output form is not optimal for recognizing #1024 anyways, you should rather watch for CSQ and CREG messages. If CSQ suddenly drops to 99 and you get thrown out of the cell, then it's 100% clear you have #1024). How about this output: [2009-10-18 13:37:02.701925] Signal : cid=9E4A, lac=17A2 [2009-10-18 13:37:26.813505] Signal : cid=7149, lac=17A2 [2009-10-18 13:41:22.576405] Signal : cid=9E4A, lac=17A2 [2009-10-18 13:45:48.512750] Signal : cid=7149, lac=17A2 [2009-10-18 13:49:10.453532] Signal : cid=9E4A, lac=17A2 If there is a better way - script of determining whether the 1024 has been dealt with correctly, it would be helpful... thank you Petr Looks normally, not like #1024. -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Thanks for good work on the WIFI driver
On 10/15/09, Michal Brzozowski ruso...@poczta.fm wrote: 2009/10/15 Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no Michal Brzozowski wrote: does the wifi antenna keep eating power while suspended or does it turn off? I have no way of measuring that. Just check how much power it eats overnight. The battery should run out if the wifi is on. But that's actually not important. Important to me is whether you can effectively power off wifi after you're finished using it so it doesn't drain the battery. You can. And that script isn't necessary - allocating WiFi resource in FSO ousaged interface is enough. -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Thanks for good work on the WIFI driver
On 10/14/09, Christ van Willegen cvwille...@gmail.com wrote: Helge, On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no wrote: Wifi used to be very unstable and quirky, but is much improved now. I agree! I can now run a script that powers up wifi, loads the kernel driver module, and then runs wpa-supplicant and udhcpc. And it works - everytime! Could you share this script with us? Or put it on the WIki? Christ van Willegen -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 I'm doing just fsoraw -r CPU,WiFi -- more, and after few seconds udhcpc... And thanks, that reminded me to update WiFi module in SHR Settings ;) -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WikiReader
On 10/13/09, David Reyes Samblas Martinez da...@tuxbrain.com wrote: 2009/10/13 Kosa k...@piradio.org: Sean Moss-Pultz escribió: Dear Community! Today, with the greatest of pleasure, I am ready to share with you the birth of our third product -- WikiReader. Three simple buttons put three million Wikipedia articles in the palm of your hand. Accessible immediately, anytime, anywhere without requiring an Internet connection. No strings attached. With WikiReader you'll be prepared for those unexpected moments when curiosity strikes. And once you have it, you'll realize how often you ask yourself questions during the day. That's just great! Congratulations! Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - Hey Kosa!! you finally are free to speech about it :) , you are good keeping a secret :) David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! Well, finding it was really easy, even with some 3D case project, photos, videos, chipset informations and source code ;) Openmoko community is good with keeping secrets, but for sure Openmoko Inc. isn't :D -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WikiReader
On 10/13/09, David Reyes Samblas Martinez da...@tuxbrain.com wrote: 2009/10/13 Sebastian Krzyszkowiak seba.d...@gmail.com: On 10/13/09, David Reyes Samblas Martinez da...@tuxbrain.com wrote: 2009/10/13 Kosa k...@piradio.org: Sean Moss-Pultz escribió: Dear Community! Today, with the greatest of pleasure, I am ready to share with you the birth of our third product -- WikiReader. Three simple buttons put three million Wikipedia articles in the palm of your hand. Accessible immediately, anytime, anywhere without requiring an Internet connection. No strings attached. With WikiReader you'll be prepared for those unexpected moments when curiosity strikes. And once you have it, you'll realize how often you ask yourself questions during the day. That's just great! Congratulations! Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - Hey Kosa!! you finally are free to speech about it :) , you are good keeping a secret :) David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! Well, finding it was really easy, even with some 3D case project, photos, videos, chipset informations and source code ;) Openmoko community is good with keeping secrets, but for sure Openmoko Inc. isn't :D -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos Well time to make all those findings more explicit? :) Source code (wikipediardware) is already known, other things were at http://people.openmoko.org/ . Dunno if they still are, as I didn't check it recently, but in some directory there were Windows app for viewing attached 3D case design, and it was exactly that case ;) Also there were some movie clips about used screen. Look for SAMO keyword ;) -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-U latest] Sketch Book missing images
On 10/10/09, Tony Berth tonybe...@googlemail.com wrote: when trying to start Sketch Book in the latest SHR I get some errors due to missing images/icons in png format! Is any place I could download these files? Thanks Tony opkg install gpe-icons. Or upgrade. It should be already fixed. -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Broken Freerunner.. CPU stall messages.. repairable?
On 10/2/09, Thomas Franck thomas.fra...@gmx.com wrote: Maksim 'max_posedon' Melnikau wrote: Try NOR uBoot (at least I use that), also, you shouldn't by new FR, just boot from SD is always a solution. Doesn't work for me.. I prepared the 512MB card to boot (following the wiki) and booted SDcard via NOR.. same game.. CPU stall messages.. :( think new FR is going to be the only way to get my happy life back.. (really got to love that little misfit) Unless there are any more ideas? where does the message CPU stall come from for what reason?? Cheers.. -- Thomas CPU stall? Leave FR turned on for few hours on that message. About half year ago I have few times the same problem, and leaving it for 10 minutes helped for me. And I still don't know, what was the cause of that ;x -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-U / All?] Illume Keyboard in Landscape
On 10/3/09, Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote: On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 2:00 AM, Russell Dwiggins undrwa...@verizon.net wrote: This is a complaint about the Illume keyboard not working in landscape mode. I love the keyboard (when it works), so I’d like to continue using it in landscape mode. Same here, it's not nice.. r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Just restart enlightenment, or only keyboard. It works with landscape, it just doesn't switch correctly to landscape mode in runtime. -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-U / All?] Illume Keyboard in Landscape
On 10/3/09, Petr Vanek van...@penguin.cz wrote: Just restart enlightenment, or only keyboard. It works with landscape, it just doesn't switch correctly to landscape mode in runtime. please word it correctly: it doesn't work correctly in landscape but there is an ugly hack to perform each time you rotate to make it fit. Illume (E) has had this ever since, i still wander what keeps it being the top w-manager for the freerunner. Petr It worked correctly for long time, just revision used actually in SHR has this bug. And it's really old revision, it's possible it was even fixed long time ago. And it works correctly on landscape and always worked, just in revision we're using ATM switching at runtime doesn't work. That's correct wording. -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-U / All?] Illume Keyboard in Landscape
On 10/3/09, Petr Vanek van...@penguin.cz wrote: PV please word it correctly: it doesn't work correctly in landscape PV but there is an ugly hack to perform each time you rotate to make PV it fit. Illume (E) has had this ever since, i still wander what PV keeps it being the top w-manager for the freerunner. SK And it works correctly on landscape and always worked, just in SK revision we're using ATM switching at runtime doesn't work. That's SK correct wording. BP There are several reasons imho, but why i did not switch to sth BP else: the illume kbd is awesome! BP Yes e-docs are practically not there, but personally i think it is BP the toolkit of the future. BP also performance is great in comparison to what you get/what is BP possible... i know all the reasoning, but the bottom line is: if you just want to rotate screen and have larger keyboard it doesn't work and it has been like that for a long time. restarting E every sinle time you want to write an sms in landscape sounds probably good to some, not to me. as with the keyboard, there have long been issues with subfolders on desktop, another desktop altogether, full-screen with no keyboard etc. i don't want to sound negative, but don't try to convince me or others that it works the way it was intended. it doesn't. despite the issues, i like illume and i really wish it is moved from the backburner to the front one to get some TLC. Petr But I already told you - you don't have to restart whole E. Just enter to keyboard menu in illume wrench, select none, and then default (it will restart illume keyboard). And it'll work just nicely. -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] [FSO based] NeoLight : Yet another application stupid but absolutely essential
On 10/3/09, Valery Febvre vfeb...@easter-eggs.com wrote: BEWARE: NeoLight seems not working with the Elementary theme Niebiee. What did you do in that app then? Niebiee is just normal theme, as others. You shouldn't assert every theme has white background ;x -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] [FSO based] NeoLight : Yet another application stupid but absolutely essential
On 10/3/09, Valery Febvre vfeb...@easter-eggs.com wrote: Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote: On 10/3/09, Valery Febvre vfeb...@easter-eggs.com wrote: BEWARE: NeoLight seems not working with the Elementary theme Niebiee. What did you do in that app then? Niebiee is just normal theme, as others. You shouldn't assert every theme has white background ;x On my Neo with SHR-U, NeoLight works fine with Elementary themes: default, neo and gry but not with Niebiee. Sorry, but at this time, I've no answer, except a possible bug in Layout widget part of Niebiee. -- Valéry But what happens? How can I fix it when i don't know, what's the problem? :P Yes, i'm author of niebiee theme. -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Doom Updates in Progress -- Request from Distribution Maintainers
On 10/1/09, Yorick Moko yorickm...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 9:44 PM, SCarlson scottrcarl...@gmail.com wrote: Just like to say, I'm on it. I've installed the SHR image from May 09, that is where i'm starting, as I believe thats the latest SHR-Testing. Are there other distributions that need attention? I'd like to hit majority users first.. I assume that is SHR and Om2009? (Are there people running Om2009?). I would suggest SHR Unstable it's quite stable you know :) Keep in mind just packaging doom won't work. You need to work on it to use changed accelerometers interface to match new kernels. -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner in real world
On 10/1/09, Stefan Monnier monn...@iro.umontreal.ca wrote: It's only displayed when dumb battery is inserted. Duh! So there is code that can automatically detect when a dumb-battery is inserted, but the kernel's driver isn't able to automatically (and dynamically) choose which driver to use? Sounds like there's room for improvement. Stefan Well, it was simplification from my side. When CC won't respond for a while or there will be no battery inserted, SHR Settings will also display that button. -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-U] No suspend when no phone app is running
On 9/30/09, Christian Rüb christian.r...@gmx.net wrote:
Hi,
when there is no program running requesting GSM resource my phone does not
suspend.
This is what I get with mdbus -s -l
...
[SIGNAL]org.freesmartphone.Device.IdleNotifier.Statefrom :1.9
/org/freesmartphone/Device/IdleNotifier/0
('suspend',)
...
But the phone does not suspend.
Is it not possible to suspend whilst GSM is off?
Maybe this is not SHR related but FSO in general?
Thanks for helping me here.
Cheers,
Christian
That's ophonekitd which suspends phone on 'suspend' idle state on SHR
with default configuration. Add rule to rules.yaml if you want to have
it independent.
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