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On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 9:35 PM, Paula Minor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I too would like to hear about any phone/service that has a clear sound. Ours isn't and we are using Nokia on Cingular. ahhh,Richard. Thanks for that disappointing input. I guess. I had heard Nokias had clear sound but apparently that isn't the case? The Nokia E71 sounded great but it says you have to have Windows to sync. I'm on a Macno pc's left here any more. Any input on the Palm Centro? I'd have to give up WiFi but it does everything else I need and works with Mac.if it sounds reasonably clear I could live with it. Any chance that problem isn't the phone but the carrier limiting the bandwidth? -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Good point. I would bet that it has everything to do with limited bandwidth. Unfortunately, this is the package that is sold by the vendor, so both elements tend to get the blame. I'm sure that Nokia makes a great phone but if it's bandwidth is throttled back so much that it can't operate, then it becomes worthless. Richard P. John Duncan Yoyo wrote: I too would like to hear about any phone/service that has a clear sound. Ours isn't and we are using Nokia on Cingular. Any chance that problem isn't the phone but the carrier limiting the bandwidth? John Duncan Yoyo * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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You may have misplaced requirement. Few people enlarge greater than 4x6 for ordinary purposes, fewer still make prints at all from images created with their phones. The end-use of mobilphone images usually is screen-quality viewing, that standard is very much lower. Phone images are a convenient way to address that impulse, which comes mostly from capturing souvenir. If you wish to make display prints, you are indeed best advised to use a regular digital camera. True if you take crummy pictures. I took a not-so-good camera on a trip once. I regret that I now can't make good prints of my best pictures. I have a few 4x6s up on the wall, but it is not the same, not what I want, and there is nothing to do about it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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There are 5+mp camera phones...I think samsung makes one that is 10. Quality may vary, but they seem to get fairly good reviews. MP is not a good indicator of quality. I have a 2MP with a good lens that takes fine pictures that print well up to 8x10. The pictures I took with a 5MP with a crummy lens are a disappointment. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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OK but what about 5x7 or 8x10? They are still inadequate compared to the newer cameras. Only so much can be stuffed in a little box. Stewart At 12:12 AM 9/5/2008, you wrote: I have a hard time thinking that you can get a good camera into a good phone. The resulting appliance would be too bulky and too big. Lenses are the key. Any good camera has good lenses. Cheap lenses give you bad results. To put a good set of lenses into a phone would require a decent amount of room, making the resulting product either very bulky, or very odd shaped. The newer Nokia N-series WiFi phones have Zeiss lenses, autofocus, video stabilizer, duel LED flash, additional camera for video calling. N82 has xenon flash, no scary green tones. N85 photos, http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=nokiaw=35034363287%40N01. Some 3.2 megapixel phones' photos [Samsung, SE, Nokia], http://www.gsmarena.com/n73_d900_k800_photo-review-102.php. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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There are 5+mp camera phones...I think samsung makes one that is 10. Quality may vary, but they seem to get fairly good reviews. Mike On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 6:32 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK but what about 5x7 or 8x10? They are still inadequate compared to the newer cameras. Only so much can be stuffed in a little box. Stewart At 12:12 AM 9/5/2008, you wrote: I have a hard time thinking that you can get a good camera into a good phone. The resulting appliance would be too bulky and too big. Lenses are the key. Any good camera has good lenses. Cheap lenses give you bad results. To put a good set of lenses into a phone would require a decent amount of room, making the resulting product either very bulky, or very odd shaped. The newer Nokia N-series WiFi phones have Zeiss lenses, autofocus, video stabilizer, duel LED flash, additional camera for video calling. N82 has xenon flash, no scary green tones. N85 photos, http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=nokiaw=35034363287%40N01. Some 3.2 megapixel phones' photos [Samsung, SE, Nokia], http://www.gsmarena.com/n73_d900_k800_photo-review-102.php. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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You may have misplaced requirement. Few people enlarge greater than 4x6 for ordinary purposes, fewer still make prints at all from images created with their phones. The end-use of mobilphone images usually is screen-quality viewing, that standard is very much lower. Phone images are a convenient way to address that impulse, which comes mostly from capturing souvenir. If you wish to make display prints, you are indeed best advised to use a regular digital camera. --- On Fri, 9/5/08, Rev. Stewart Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Rev. Stewart Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CGUYS] WiFi mobile phone To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Friday, September 5, 2008, 9:32 AM OK but what about 5x7 or 8x10? They are still inadequate * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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The iPhone camera is lame, and it doesn't do video. I need a new camera. Nokia [and other] phones have 5+ megapixel cameras and do very good video. No they do not do very good video. Have you been watching too much of the political conventions? The lenses in these phones are of miserable quality. They can't do very good anything. If you have lowered your standards that low you might as well get WinCE, or a Barbie phone. deal breaker is that the iPhone doesn't have a card slot--not good for travel. It sure does have a card slot. The card pops out of the top edge. Use a paper clip to release it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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At what price? I understand that we are talking 3-4 times what we pay over here for those phones, plus you need to figure in the exchange rate. Prices are comperable. My cousin (in Italy) was dying to get one and was convinced that he could get a better deal in the USA. After looking at the various terms and conditions we discoverd that the price was about the same. After all, the people who set the prices do have brains and do know what you may be up to. The main reason to get one in Europe is to have it unlocked from the start. Currenct wise, yes, you should probably wait until the administration in the White House changes. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Sep 4, 2008, at 9:33 AM, Tom Piwowar wrote: The main reason to get one in Europe is to have it unlocked from the start. H. When I was looking over phones during my stay in France I was informed that the rule was: locked for the first 6 months, then French law insists that they must be unlocked. That 6 month wait when I was there less than a month made me tough it out. Mar * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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The main reason to get one in Europe is to have it unlocked from the start. H. When I was looking over phones during my stay in France I was informed that the rule was: locked for the first 6 months, then French law insists that they must be unlocked. That 6 month wait when I was there less than a month made me tough it out. Mar Mary, That rule is for phones that you get with a contract. I asked about unlocked phones in Perpignan. Pay full price, and the phone is unlocked. Maybe not where you were on the west coast. We shopped at Carrefour. Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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The iPhone camera is lame, and it doesn't do video. I need a new camera. Nokia [and other] phones have 5+ megapixel cameras and do very good video. No they do not do very good video. Have you been watching too much of the political conventions? The lenses in these phones are of miserable quality. They can't do very good anything. If you have lowered your standards that low you might as well get WinCE, or a Barbie phone. deal breaker is that the iPhone doesn't have a card slot--not good for travel. It sure does have a card slot. The card pops out of the top edge. Use a paper clip to release it. I borrowed a friend's iPhone yesterday, and would have been happy if he left without it. It's easy, fun, but doesn't have the right stuff--yet. I've seen stills and videos done on the N95, and they're impressive, although not as good as with some dedicated video cameras. The iPhone has a SIM card slot that can be accessed with the traditional Apple special tool. It doesn't have a memory card slot, and that's the big deal breaker. Most other phones in the same class have memory card slots. The iPhone is fine for local use, but I wouldn't want it to be my only phone for travel. Has anyone tried a dual SIM-card adapter? MagicSIM? SIMore? dual SIM Samsung, Haier, Philips phones? Could adapter fit into an iPhone? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50y9j7w72-E * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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While everyone is talking cellphones..I'd like input on which ones have the clearest sound on a call. I'm on Verizon and have been using the original LG Chocolate for a couple of years and I HATE it. I struggle to u nderstand what people are saying on it and it has nothing to do with the volume. I can turn it up or down and the voices are still mushy or garbled and Im constantly asking people to repeat themselves. I really want an iPhone but there are still just too many problems with it so I am waiting. I'd like WiFi and some basic PDA functions (calendarw/alarm,addressbook,notes). Don't care too much about the camera because Im picky about photos and as Tom mentioned, no matter how many MPs they have, their lenses are crap and the photos reflect that. I just carry a small pocket camera all the time. If my Palm LifeDrive had a clear sounding phone in it, it would be perfect! Paula/IN/USA * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Wifi kind of narrows it down a little with Verizon. The newer Samsung (I think SCH-i830) is a wifi phone. However Verizon locks many features and you cannot use it as a skype type phone on WIfi. I had good luck with my Samsung 730 but found it bulky. I am now on a Motorola Q9C. Smartphone not PPC. The Samsung is a PPC. Daughter has a newer Choclate but those are now defunct. Son-in-law got LG Venus, and they like them. Stewart At 12:36 PM 9/4/2008, you wrote: While everyone is talking cellphones..I'd like input on which ones have the clearest sound on a call. I'm on Verizon and have been using the original LG Chocolate for a couple of years and I HATE it. I struggle to u nderstand what people are saying on it and it has nothing to do with the volume. I can turn it up or down and the voices are still mushy or garbled and Im constantly asking people to repeat themselves. I really want an iPhone but there are still just too many problems with it so I am waiting. I'd like WiFi and some basic PDA functions (calendarw/alarm,addressbook,notes). Don't care too much about the camera because Im picky about photos and as Tom mentioned, no matter how many MPs they have, their lenses are crap and the photos reflect that. I just carry a small pocket camera all the time. If my Palm LifeDrive had a clear sounding phone in it, it would be perfect! Paula/IN/USA Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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In Belgium there is only GSM service on networks operate in the 900 MHz or 1800 MHz bands. Some countries (including Canada and the United States) use the 850 MHz and 1900 MHz bands because the 900 and 1800 MHz frequency bands were already allocated*. In the time I spent in the EU this summer, I was able to connect using the 900/1800 bands and use sms and wap but never achieved connection using 3rd party (operamini) browser on the razrV3 (GPRS) nor the samsung sync (EDGE) ...I am told the US uses 1900 for that and the EU is 2100 but have no reference for that. In some countries such as Belgium, Costa Rica, India, Indonesia, Pakistan, and Malaysia, all phones are sold unlocked. However, in Belgium, it is unlawful for operators there to offer any form of subsidy on the phone's price.* * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSM Bring your quad band fone with you to the EU and buy a paygo card in the supermarket you're in business before you slam the car door! -Original Message- From: Tom Piwowar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 10:43 PM Subject: Re: WiFi mobile phone Would you know off the top of your head which ones? Most of them. In France and Belgium it is illegal to lock phones. In Italy carriers are not allowed to subsidize phones so there is little reason to lock. TMobile (Germany) sells unlocked iPhones. There is also a big gray market in iPhones. Lots are sold at retail by stores that are not authorized. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I think the clear sounding phones were called ANALOG :( I have yet to hear a decent digital phone signal over here. My relative's digital cellular phone in the UK is perfect. I'm not sure why we can't have the same quality of service over here. By the way, their phones and service are also cheaper than here. I too would like to hear about any phone/service that has a clear sound. Ours isn't and we are using Nokia on Cingular. Paula wrote: While everyone is talking cellphones..I'd like input on which ones have the clearest sound on a call. I'm on Verizon and have been using the original LG Chocolate for a couple of years and I HATE it. I struggle to u nderstand what people are saying on it and it has nothing to do with the volume. I can turn it up or down and the voices are still mushy or garbled and Im constantly asking people to repeat themselves. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Tell me whoever is asking, is the wifi desire to use vonage or something or is it to surf? -Original Message- From: Rev. Stewart Marshall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 2:07 PM Subject: Re: WiFi mobile phone Wifi kind of narrows it down a little with Verizon. The newer Samsung (I think SCH-i830) is a wifi phone. However Verizon locks many features and you cannot use it as a skype type phone on WIfi. I had good luck with my Samsung 730 but found it bulky. I am now on a Motorola Q9C. Smartphone not PPC. The Samsung is a PPC. Daughter has a newer Choclate but those are now defunct. Son-in-law got LG Venus, and they like them. Stewart At 12:36 PM 9/4/2008, you wrote: While everyone is talking cellphones..I'd like input on which ones have the clearest sound on a call. I'm on Verizon and have been using the original LG Chocolate for a couple of years and I HATE it. I struggle to u nderstand what people are saying on it and it has nothing to do with the volume. I can turn it up or down and the voices are still mushy or garbled and Im constantly asking people to repeat themselves. I really want an iPhone but there are still just too many problems with it so I am waiting. I'd like WiFi and some basic PDA functions (calendarw/alarm,addressbook,notes). Don't care too much about the camera because Im picky about photos and as Tom mentioned, no matter how many MPs they have, their lenses are crap and the photos reflect that. I just carry a small pocket camera all the time. If my Palm LifeDrive had a clear sounding phone in it, it would be perfect! Paula/IN/USA Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Apparently the Motorola V9 has some kind of clear talk scheme in it that is supposed to be great for clarity and noise abatement ...I'm sad to say my brother had a Moto v710 which was clear (imho as recipient) on verizon ...poor reception though in li ny and dwntn chicago ...he went for the ifone 3g and now he sounds tinny ...I've had a coupla calls from a v9 ...very clear (I must say calls from my wife's samsung sync are clear too but noise cancellation isn't there)... -Original Message- From: Paula Minor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 1:36 PM Subject: Re: WiFi mobile phone While everyone is talking cellphones..I'd like input on which ones have the clearest sound on a call. I'm on Verizon and have been using the original LG Chocolate for a couple of years and I HATE it. I struggle to u nderstand what people are saying on it and it has nothing to do with the volume. I can turn it up or down and the voices are still mushy or garbled and Im constantly asking people to repeat themselves. I really want an iPhone but there are still just too many problems with it so I am waiting. I'd like WiFi and some basic PDA functions (calendarw/alarm,addressbook,notes). Don't care too much about the camera because Im picky about photos and as Tom mentioned, no matter how many MPs they have, their lenses are crap and the photos reflect that. I just carry a small pocket camera all the time. If my Palm LifeDrive had a clear sounding phone in it, it would be perfect! Paula/IN/USA * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I never could figure out what the dual sim thing allows ...my razrV3 apparently will support dual nam but that,of course, would be on the same service. ...is it that the dual sim allows you to do it with say a couple of gsm cards from different providers? ...like if one is for your work and one personal? -Original Message- From: b_s-wilk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 1:24 PM Subject: Re: WiFi mobile phone The iPhone camera is lame, and it doesn't do video. I need a new camera. Nokia [and other] phones have 5+ megapixel cameras and do very good video. No they do not do very good video. Have you been watching too much of the political conventions? The lenses in these phones are of miserable quality. They can't do very good anything. If you have lowered your standards that low you might as well get WinCE, or a Barbie phone. deal breaker is that the iPhone doesn't have a card slot--not good for travel. It sure does have a card slot. The card pops out of the top edge. Use a paper clip to release it. I borrowed a friend's iPhone yesterday, and would have been happy if he left without it. It's easy, fun, but doesn't have the right stuff--yet. I've seen stills and videos done on the N95, and they're impressive, although not as good as with some dedicated video cameras. The iPhone has a SIM card slot that can be accessed with the traditional Apple special tool. It doesn't have a memory card slot, and that's the big deal breaker. Most other phones in the same class have memory card slots. The iPhone is fine for local use, but I wouldn't want it to be my only phone for travel. Has anyone tried a dual SIM-card adapter? MagicSIM? SIMore? dual SIM Samsung, Haier, Philips phones? Could adapter fit into an iPhone? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50y9j7w72-E * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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In Belgium, both the razrV3 and the SamsungSync had reception and transmission CLEAR AS A BELL with pegged 5 bars in every tiny town behind hills and under overhead wires ...of course, there's one detrimental aspect ...the beautiful countryside in the ardennes that was so terribly deforested in the great war now has grown cellular towers everywhere ...it's hard to photograph lovely rural landscapes without photoshopping out the tower... -Original Message- From: Richard P. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 2:36 PM Subject: Re: WiFi mobile phone I think the clear sounding phones were called ANALOG :( I have yet to hear a decent digital phone signal over here. My relative's digital cellular phone in the UK is perfect. I'm not sure why we can't have the same quality of service over here. By the way, their phones and service are also cheaper than here. I too would like to hear about any phone/service that has a clear sound. Ours isn't and we are using Nokia on Cingular. Paula wrote: While everyone is talking cellphones..I'd like input on which ones have the clearest sound on a call. I'm on Verizon and have been using the original LG Chocolate for a couple of years and I HATE it. I struggle to u nderstand what people are saying on it and it has nothing to do with the volume. I can turn it up or down and the voices are still mushy or garbled and Im constantly asking people to repeat themselves. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I had good luck with my Samsung 730 but found it bulky. I am now on a Motorola Q9C. Smartphone not PPC. The Samsung is a PPC. Daughter has a newer Choclate but those are now defunct. Son-in- law got LG Venus, and they like them. Stewart Stewart, I'm mainly concerned with the clarity of the voice on the other end. Were any of the above especially clear sounding? Thanks Paula/IN/USA * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Tell me whoever is asking, is the wifi desire to use vonage or something or is it to surf? It was to surf and do email without having to also buy a data plan from Verizon. I wouldn't be using it enough to warrant the data plan. Paula/IN/USA * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I refuse tog et a data plan from Verizon, over priced for what they are. 29.95 for web and email per month??? Come on Check out Samsung, I know it is a Windows based phone but I think ther eare som Mac interfaces for those type phones. Also note Palm is coming out with a centro style phone that will be Windows (palm 800?) I loved my palm, 700W but no wifi, and a bit clunky. (I still have one of my old ones.) Stewart At 08:37 PM 9/4/2008, you wrote: It was to surf and do email without having to also buy a data plan from Verizon. I wouldn't be using it enough to warrant the data plan. Paula/IN/USA Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Wifi will give you that ability. Palm I believe does not have Wifi and I do not think that Palm has a browser on their system. Palm's do work good with the Verizon. Stewart At 08:35 PM 9/4/2008, you wrote: ahhh,Richard. Thanks for that disappointing input. I guess. I had heard Nokias had clear sound but apparently that isn't the case? The Nokia E71 sounded great but it says you have to have Windows to sync. I'm on a Macno pc's left here any more. Any input on the Palm Centro? I'd have to give up WiFi but it does everything else I need and works with Mac.if it sounds reasonably clear I could live with it. Paula/IN/USA Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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For clarification, it is a Nokia 6010. Don't know what other Nokia' phones sound like. I've always assumed that the poor sound had more to do with the service than the phone. Richard P. I too would like to hear about any phone/service that has a clear sound. Ours isn't and we are using Nokia on Cingular. ahhh,Richard. Thanks for that disappointing input. I guess. I had heard Nokias had clear sound but apparently that isn't the case? The Nokia E71 sounded great but it says you have to have Windows to sync. I'm on a Macno pc's left here any more. Any input on the Palm Centro? I'd have to give up WiFi but it does everything else I need and works with Mac.if it sounds reasonably clear I could live with it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I mispoke I think he has a voyager, but to answer your question, crystal. (It is the touch screen with slide out keypad.) We have a large coverage by Verizon in this area, and they pretty much have the best service here. Stewart At 08:31 PM 9/4/2008, you wrote: Stewart, I'm mainly concerned with the clarity of the voice on the other end. Were any of the above especially clear sounding? Thanks Paula/IN/USA Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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So you are suggesting to take the illegal route? Interesting... On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 7:43 PM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would you know off the top of your head which ones? Most of them. In France and Belgium it is illegal to lock phones. In Italy carriers are not allowed to subsidize phones so there is little reason to lock. TMobile (Germany) sells unlocked iPhones. There is also a big gray market in iPhones. Lots are sold at retail by stores that are not authorized. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Combination of the two. Check out Cnet reviews they usually put the phones through their paces and will let you know if they get clear or bad reception. Stewart At 08:54 PM 9/4/2008, you wrote: For clarification, it is a Nokia 6010. Don't know what other Nokia' phones sound like. I've always assumed that the poor sound had more to do with the service than the phone. Richard P. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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The iPhone has a SIM card slot that can be accessed with the traditional Apple special tool. It doesn't have a memory card slot, and that's the big deal breaker. Most other phones in the same class have memory card slots. The iPhone is fine for local use, but I wouldn't want it to be my only phone for travel. Why would that be a deal breaker? It doesn't have a crank in the front either. You can readily transfer data using a USB cable. What's wrong with USB? I use USB with my PDA all the time. It has a memory stick slot too, but I used that so rarely that I gave it away. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Wifi will give you that ability. Palm I believe does not have Wifi and I do not think that Palm has a browser on their system. My Palm Tungsten C has WiFi. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Palm T/X has wi-fi, bluetooth, sync for mac, and allows browsing the web. --- On Thu, 9/4/08, Rev. Stewart Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Rev. Stewart Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CGUYS] WiFi mobile phone To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Thursday, September 4, 2008, 9:51 PM Wifi will give you that ability. Palm I believe does not have Wifi and I do not think that Palm has a browser on their system. Palm's do work good with the Verizon. Stewart At 08:35 PM 9/4/2008, you wrote: ahhh,Richard. Thanks for that disappointing input. I guess. I had heard Nokias had clear sound but apparently that isn't the case? The Nokia E71 sounded great but it says you have to have Windows to sync. I'm on a Macno pc's left here any more. Any input on the Palm Centro? I'd have to give up WiFi but it does everything else I need and works with Mac.if it sounds reasonably clear I could live with it. Paula/IN/USA Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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But it is not a phone. Good point. I am happier keeping these two functions separate for now. There is no monthly fee for using my PDA and my pay-go cell phone costs me about $70 per year. And the number of features I must have on my digital camera will not be available on a cell phone for years, if ever. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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So you are suggesting to take the illegal route? Interesting... That is not illegal. It may or may not break a contract, but it is a contract that I did not sign. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I have a hard time thinking that you can get a good camera into a good phone. The resulting appliance would be too bulky and too big. Lenses are the key. Any good camera has good lenses. Cheap lenses give you bad results. To put a good set of lenses into a phone would require a decent amount of room, making the resulting product either very bulky, or very odd shaped. Stewart At 09:56 PM 9/4/2008, you wrote: Good point. I am happier keeping these two functions separate for now. There is no monthly fee for using my PDA and my pay-go cell phone costs me about $70 per year. And the number of features I must have on my digital camera will not be available on a cell phone for years, if ever. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Not a feature, what's missing is unlocked universal use. Tied to ATT (same model overseas, tied to one carrier), the iPhone is useful only to those who wish to spend, rather than use. That's the problem, Tom. Betty is trying to get there without shackles. --- On Wed, 9/3/08, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CGUYS] WiFi mobile phone To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Wednesday, September 3, 2008, 3:28 PM Smartphone... (based on windowsCE otherwise termed PocketPC or WindowsMobile but mostly the same thing with editions of Word, Excel, Outlook, AdobeReader, etc. built in which are amazingly like the desktop apps with all the features and a similar or identical look and feel with file compatibility or automated conversion on sync)...lots of software some free to add on... Making a list like this and leaving out iPhone is hopelessly uninformed. The iPhone runs circles around the stodgy WinCE/PocketPC/WindowsMobile. So let's return to Betty's original question with some specificity. What features did you find missing from the iPhone? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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My experience with the iPhone is zero ...my brother has one and has terrible problems with reception and other software glitches ...he calls att gets referred to the apple store ...he goes to the apple store (manhattan) and the teenagers there know nothing and refer him to att ...meanwhile, some features are nice according to him. ...the cost is higher than regular service, though ...he is thinking about returning it under the 30 day no questions asked policy of att ...we'll see if they don't ask questions then... -Original Message- From: Tom Piwowar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 3:28 PM Subject: Re: WiFi mobile phone Smartphone... (based on windowsCE otherwise termed PocketPC or WindowsMobile but mostly the same thing with editions of Word, Excel, Outlook, AdobeReader, etc. built in which are amazingly like the desktop apps with all the features and a similar or identical look and feel with file compatibility or automated conversion on sync)...lots of software some free to add on... Making a list like this and leaving out iPhone is hopelessly uninformed. The iPhone runs circles around the stodgy WinCE/PocketPC/WindowsMobile. So let's return to Betty's original question with some specificity. What features did you find missing from the iPhone? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Furthermore, we have 2 att fones (my trusty old razrV3 original model and my wife's spiffy new samsung sgh-a707 sync ...it's red!!) ...she uses none of the features at all except the camera and calls ...she had me shut off voicemail and internet and messages... I use everything sadly only GPRS ...both are quad band. We went to the EU recently and ATT cheerfully (yes, cheerfully) sent detailed and simple email to unlock the 2 phones which went fine without a hitch. In the EU we simply went into a phone shop and purchased 2 paygo cards (in our case Proximus=like Tmobile) with minutes. They were working instantly with our phones. We were able to add minutes (we did it at the supermarket checkout register while shopping) but one can do it online or via phone if you have a debit card in the EU...we didn't. My razrV3 could do WAP but I didn't use it much. My wife never did any of that...both phones did messages with aplomb. We were thrilled. Our cards are in my desk drawer as they remain active for a year. In the plane, I stuck the att sims back in and we were able to call our ride from the line waiting for the passport guy...easy as pie!! ...oh, yeah...reception was spectacular pegged at 5 bars in little burgs in the backwaters ...in the area we travelled, only the caller pays, recipient pays nothing...even if the card is out of minutes, you can get called. You MUST have a quad band fone for this as the EU uses the 2 other bands not used in the usa!! Set the thing to auto select the network and you're in business!! -Original Message- From: chad evans wyatt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 4:51 PM Subject: Re: WiFi mobile phone Not a feature, what's missing is unlocked universal use. Tied to ATT (same model overseas, tied to one carrier), the iPhone is useful only to those who wish to spend, rather than use. That's the problem, Tom. Betty is trying to get there without shackles. --- On Wed, 9/3/08, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CGUYS] WiFi mobile phone To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Wednesday, September 3, 2008, 3:28 PM Smartphone... (based on windowsCE otherwise termed PocketPC or WindowsMobile but mostly the same thing with editions of Word, Excel, Outlook, AdobeReader, etc. built in which are amazingly like the desktop apps with all the features and a similar or identical look and feel with file compatibility or automated conversion on sync)...lots of software some free to add on... Making a list like this and leaving out iPhone is hopelessly uninformed. The iPhone runs circles around the stodgy WinCE/PocketPC/WindowsMobile. So let's return to Betty's original question with some specificity. What features did you find missing from the iPhone? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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My experience with the iPhone is zero ...my brother has one and has terrible problems with reception and other software glitches ...he calls att gets referred to the apple store ...he goes to the apple store (manhattan) and the teenagers there know nothing and refer him to att ...meanwhile, some features are nice according to him. ...the cost is higher than regular service, though ...he is thinking about returning it under the 30 day no questions asked policy of att ...we'll see if they don't ask questions then... I know that is not the general experience, but the only thing that matters is the one unit that your brother has in his hands. I know my son loves his iPhone. I'm really surprised that you describe the staff at the Apple Store as teenagers there know nothing. I have consistently been impressed at the high level of service offered by the Apple Store. (Though I have not gone there with iPhone questions.) He may have a lemon. He should trade it in for a new one. If he is having trouble at one particular store he should try a different one. I know that some Apple Stores are swamped with customers so don't always spend enough time with every customer. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Very true. Too bad that you have to live in the USA where greedy corporations rule and sell inferior technology at inflated prices. So why not buy your iPhone in the EU? I know they sell unlocked iPhones in several EU countries. We went to the EU recently and ATT cheerfully (yes, cheerfully) sent detailed and simple email to unlock the 2 phones which went fine without a hitch. In the EU we simply went into a phone shop and purchased 2 paygo cards (in our case Proximus=like Tmobile) with minutes. They were working instantly with our phones. We were able to add minutes (we did it at the supermarket checkout register while shopping) but * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I think it is reception, power managementapps. problems with the 3G models that people have been troubled with ... not the original i-phone... db Tom Piwowar wrote: My experience with the iPhone is zero ...my brother has one and has terrible problems with reception and other software glitches ...he calls att gets referred to the apple store ...he goes to the apple store (manhattan) and the teenagers there know nothing and refer him to att ...meanwhile, some features are nice according to him. ...the cost is higher than regular service, though ...he is thinking about returning it under the 30 day no questions asked policy of att ...we'll see if they don't ask questions then... I know that is not the general experience, but the only thing that matters is the one unit that your brother has in his hands. I know my son loves his iPhone. I'm really surprised that you describe the staff at the Apple Store as teenagers there know nothing. I have consistently been impressed at the high level of service offered by the Apple Store. (Though I have not gone there with iPhone questions.) He may have a lemon. He should trade it in for a new one. If he is having trouble at one particular store he should try a different one. I know that some Apple Stores are swamped with customers so don't always spend enough time with every customer. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Sep 3, 2008, at 8:57 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: So why not buy your iPhone in the EU? I know they sell unlocked iPhones in several EU countries. Would you know off the top of your head which ones? Thanks! Mar * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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According to the news reports it is far cheaper to buy one on Ebay that is unlocked. One report I saw said a good percentage of the phones sold here and unlocked and resold over seas at a hefty profit. Check out the prices for these unlocked Iphones overseas. About 3-5 times what they are here, plus exchange. Stewart At 08:58 PM 9/3/2008, you wrote: On Sep 3, 2008, at 8:57 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: So why not buy your iPhone in the EU? I know they sell unlocked iPhones in several EU countries. Would you know off the top of your head which ones? Thanks! Mar Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Would you know off the top of your head which ones? Most of them. In France and Belgium it is illegal to lock phones. In Italy carriers are not allowed to subsidize phones so there is little reason to lock. TMobile (Germany) sells unlocked iPhones. There is also a big gray market in iPhones. Lots are sold at retail by stores that are not authorized. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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At what price? I understand that we are talking 3-4 times what we pay over here for those phones, plus you need to figure in the exchange rate. At those rates it is just not worth it. Stewart At 09:43 PM 9/3/2008, you wrote: Most of them. In France and Belgium it is illegal to lock phones. In Italy carriers are not allowed to subsidize phones so there is little reason to lock. TMobile (Germany) sells unlocked iPhones. There is also a big gray market in iPhones. Lots are sold at retail by stores that are not authorized. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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$700 in the Czech Republic, without subscription. $690 in Britain. $628 in Germany. All the 8gb version. Could make sense, given the contract obligations here. --- On Wed, 9/3/08, maru ca [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: maru ca [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CGUYS] WiFi mobile phone To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Wednesday, September 3, 2008, 9:58 PM On Sep 3, 2008, at 8:57 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: So why not buy your iPhone in the EU? I know they sell unlocked iPhones in several EU countries. Would you know off the top of your head which ones? Thanks! Mar * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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chad evans wyatt escribió, Not a feature, what's missing is unlocked universal use. Tied to ATT (same model overseas, tied to one carrier), the iPhone is useful only to those who wish to spend, rather than use. That's the problem, Tom. Betty is trying to get there without shackles. Thank you Chad. That's most of it--must be unlocked GSM. ATT-only is a serious, and expensive, limitation for iPhones. The iPhone camera is lame, and it doesn't do video. I need a new camera. Nokia [and other] phones have 5+ megapixel cameras and do very good video. That's better than my old Nikon. I don't need a PDA or any fancy apps, just a calendar with alarms, IM, email. Copy/paste might be nice, but not a deal breaker. A big deal breaker is that the iPhone doesn't have a card slot--not good for travel. New unlocked quadband WiFi phones range in price from $300 to $800. Combining the cost of a new camera with the cost of the phone, the lower midrange price isn't too bad. I'm waiting for the N79 to be released here. I'd like to know how smoothly WiFi phones other than iPhone move from WiFi and VOIP to mobile networks. This is important because I plan to use local or international SIM cards [maybe with a SIM doubler], and WiFi is an important part of our [basic] budget. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Betty specify which format. I assume you want GSM. There have been some decent ones on CDMA, but not many symbian ones. Stewart At 11:27 AM 9/2/2008, you wrote: I've used my son's iPod Touch and I really like it. I've used an iPhone and like it but it's missing features advertised on other phones. I like the touch-screen, although there are other good WiFi phones that don't have it. Does anyone have experience or own a WiFi phone other than the iPhone? I'm interested in phones that switch automatically from cellular networks to WiFi networks, can browse the Internet, use IM, and have good still/video cameras, with a micro card slot, Symbian OS preferred. Examples are Nokia N-Series [N78, N82, N95, etc.], Sony-Ericsson G702, Samsung OMNIA, INNOV8, LG KC910. I'd like something portable for travel that can be used for Internet instead of carrying a notebook, including the tiny notebooks. We travel with minimal luggage, usually just carry-on or weekend size for trips as long as a month. Suggestions? Betty Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Must be GSM, unless there's a combo GSM/CDMA for the Japanese market. There are a lot of very good CDMA phones but they're not as versatile for travel except in the US and Canada. Betty specify which format. I assume you want GSM. There have been some decent ones on CDMA, but not many symbian ones. Stewart At 11:27 AM 9/2/2008, you wrote: I've used my son's iPod Touch and I really like it. I've used an iPhone and like it but it's missing features advertised on other phones. I like the touch-screen, although there are other good WiFi phones that don't have it. Does anyone have experience or own a WiFi phone other than the iPhone? I'm interested in phones that switch automatically from cellular networks to WiFi networks, can browse the Internet, use IM, and have good still/video cameras, with a micro card slot, Symbian OS preferred. Examples are Nokia N-Series [N78, N82, N95, etc.], Sony-Ericsson G702, Samsung OMNIA, INNOV8, LG KC910. I'd like something portable for travel that can be used for Internet instead of carrying a notebook, including the tiny notebooks. We travel with minimal luggage, usually just carry-on or weekend size for trips as long as a month. Suggestions? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
