Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-30 Thread Randy Welch
Eddie wrote:

Do not split KDE into so many silly packages. No distro does this and it
is ridiculous and too confusing. Some one will say that you can install
what you want and leave out other stuff, but if you use urpmi and/or
gurpmi it still installs all the packages as before because of
dependencies. Please go back to the way it was, it was s easier to
keep track of.  Eddie Mihalow Jr-Silver Club Member
 
Oh I agree on this one.

I don't think splitting KDE was such a good idea and I suspect it will 
com back to bite mandrake.

Keep It simple!

-randy






Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-30 Thread Randy Welch
Buchan Milne wrote:

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Michael Scherer wrote:
 

On Monday 29 September 2003 13:38, Eddie wrote:

   

Do not split KDE into so many silly packages. No distro does this and
it is ridiculous and too confusing.
 

debian does it, suse too.

   

Some one will say that you can
install what you want and leave out other stuff, but if you use urpmi
and/or gurpmi it still installs all the packages as before because of
dependencies. Please go back to the way it was, it was s easier
to keep track of.			Eddie Mihalow Jr-Silver Club Member
 

Splitting is good. I do not own a scanner so why should i install sane
required to use kooka, beacuse i use the old kdegraphics package ?
i only use kmail and konqueror, why should i have  5 more useless
kdenetwork application that i will never use.
   

And why do I in a corporate network, with no modem attached, need to
install a setuid binary (pppd) just to install kmail (which used to
install kppp also, which requires ppp).
 

Perhaps some of the dependencies should be reviewed.  Yea I admit that 
some of the dependencies are kind of goofy.  (why do I need cups when 
installing samba...)

-randy






Re: [Cooker] TAKE MY BRAIN OFF THIS DAMN METHADONE FOR THE LAST TIME!

2003-09-30 Thread Leon Brooks
On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 12:29, Tuomo Stauffer wrote:
 On Monday 29 September 2003 21:13, Sascha Noyes wrote:
 On Monday 29 September 2003 07:09 pm, Jason M. Randle wrote:
 Great minds discuss ideas.
  Average minds discuss events.
  Ignorant minds discuss people.


 You must admit that the sig is somewhat amusing in this email.


Agree. (-:

 For a long time I have to agree this is the best ! And something
 we should do with Mandrake - discuss ideas. We have a lot of
 very intelligent people here developing Mandrake and ideas are
 what we need - not Average minds discuss events or Ignorant
 minds discuss people - ( IMHO ) and have a nice day.

 ps. where / who did this anecdote originate ?

Jason What Headers? Randle misquoted Admiral Hyman G. Rickover:

   Great minds discuss ideas.
Average minds discuss events.
Small minds discuss people.

I can't find a reference for the last line, but I did stumble across an 
interesting editorial...

We get most of our server consolidation with Exchange 2000,
Devenuti says. But he expects to be able to push the number
of users per server from about 3,000 on Exchange 2000 to
5,000 on Titanium. [/ME notes that Linux can handle at least
2,000,000 per box using dear old klunky SendMail as per
http://thewhir.com/marketwatch/sendmail828.cfm and that tests
http://www-dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de/~ma/postfix/bench2.html
show PostFix delivering typically twice as much as SendMail]

...with this breathtakingly bold reader comment while I was looking:

Microsoft has done a great job of putting powerful tools in
the hands of clueless morons. [...] Keep in mind people,
Windows is the Etch-A-Sketch of the computer world.

Cheers; Leon




Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-30 Thread Randy Welch
Buchan Milne wrote:

On Sun, 28 Sep 2003, Felix Miata wrote:

 

5-A usable normal boot and/or rescue floppy should be at least offered
for creation during install. After install, creating a boot and/or
rescue floppy should actually be possible on any system. Barring that,
the creation process that fails should offer some guidance on what to
change in order to enable success on future tries.
   

IMHO, there is very little need for this as every installation media 
allows the rescue boot.
 

Other than if you have multiple versions of mandrake installed on the 
same system, the rescue seems to pick the wrong one.

Though for an install that will really screw your system up.  Try RH 
AS3.  That was not good.  It decided to play with partition tables and 
no even give you a shot at boot loader selection.

-randy




Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-30 Thread Texstar
On Tuesday 30 September 2003 01:09 am, Randy Welch wrote:
 Eddie wrote:
 Do not split KDE into so many silly packages. No distro does this and it
 is ridiculous and too confusing. Some one will say that you can install
 what you want and leave out other stuff, but if you use urpmi and/or
 gurpmi it still installs all the packages as before because of
 dependencies. Please go back to the way it was, it was s easier to
 keep track of.   Eddie Mihalow Jr-Silver Club Member

 Oh I agree on this one.

 I don't think splitting KDE was such a good idea and I suspect it will
 com back to bite mandrake.

 Keep It simple!

 -randy

And splitting a single application (kopete and others) into 3-4 seperate rpms 
just doesnt make sense. 




Re: [Cooker] And next ? (SaMBa and CUPS)

2003-09-30 Thread Leon Brooks
On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 14:11, Randy Welch wrote:
 (why do I need cups when installing samba...)

Because if SaMBa is ever to use some of the special features of CUPS 
(e.g. print to PDF), it needs to access CUPS through the library. You 
shouldn't need all of CUPS, just the library.

Cheers; Leon




[Cooker] Encrypted partitions : why /var cannot be encrypted?

2003-09-30 Thread pplf
During installation (using 9.1), when you create the partitions it is 
possible to choose the option encrypted for some partitions like /home 
or /tmp, but it is not possible to choose /var (an error says something 
like : /var cannot be located on an encrypted partition).

Why /var cannot be on an encrypted partition ? I see no reason 
preventing to do that...

It would be a good thing to be able to encrypt /home /var and /tmp.

pplf

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Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-30 Thread John Allen
On Monday 29 September 2003 18:56, Nora Etukudo wrote:
 On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 10:56:30AM +0200, Teletchéa Stéphane wrote:
  Not all of us have high bandwith connection. I test cooker at home, but
  i can download easily at work : i can download an iso with only rpms
  modified at work, and use them as 'update' home to test the improvements

 Oh no, you download iso's at work, unpack them and remaster them with
 your own rpm's for testing at home?


I think you misunderstand completely. He wants a downloadable update ISO(s).

 Might it possibly easier to rsync at work and then makeing iso's for
 home testing?

 Liebe Grüße, Nora.

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Re: [Cooker] YEAH ITS THE FUNNIEST DAMN THING SINCE THIS SIDE OF THE STATES EH?

2003-09-30 Thread John Allen
On Tuesday 30 September 2003 04:12, Jason M. Randle wrote:
 TYPCIAL ASSHOLES!


Yes you are aren't you.

 Greg Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:On Monday 29 September 2003 10:13 pm, 
Sascha Noyes wrote:
  On Monday 29 September 2003 07:09 pm, Jason M. Randle wrote:
   Great minds discuss ideas.
   Average minds discuss events.
   Ignorant minds discuss people.
   what is ignorance? well, its lack of willingness to learn or be

 corrected

  You must admit that the sig is somewhat amusing in this email.

 I didn't catch that. It is delicious irony.

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Re: [Cooker] TAKE MY BRAIN OFF THIS DAMN METHADONE FOR THE LAST TIME!

2003-09-30 Thread John Allen
On Tuesday 30 September 2003 07:19, Leon Brooks wrote:
 I can't find a reference for the last line, but I did stumble across an
 interesting editorial...

 We get most of our server consolidation with Exchange 2000,
 Devenuti says. But he expects to be able to push the number
 of users per server from about 3,000 on Exchange 2000 to
 5,000 on Titanium. [/ME notes that Linux can handle at least
 2,000,000 per box using dear old klunky SendMail as per
 http://thewhir.com/marketwatch/sendmail828.cfm and that tests
 http://www-dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de/~ma/postfix/bench2.html
 show PostFix delivering typically twice as much as SendMail]


Yes but Exchange is not just an MTA, it is also the server for your Outlook, 
does IMAP, POP, and calendering stuff as well.

I doubt the typical Linux PC server would handles 4million plus concurrent 
users, when running Postfix, Cyrus, and a calendering app also.

 ...with this breathtakingly bold reader comment while I was looking:

 Microsoft has done a great job of putting powerful tools in
 the hands of clueless morons. [...] Keep in mind people,
 Windows is the Etch-A-Sketch of the computer world.

 Cheers; Leon

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Re: [Cooker] TAKE MY BRAIN OFF THIS DAMN METHADONE FOR THE LAST TIME!

2003-09-30 Thread Luca Berra
On Tue, Sep 30, 2003 at 08:31:00AM +0100, John Allen wrote:
On Tuesday 30 September 2003 07:19, Leon Brooks wrote:
Yes but Exchange is not just an MTA, it is also the server for your Outlook, 
does IMAP, POP, and calendering stuff as well.
Very true, and still we don't have a functional mail and groupware
application on Mandrake :(
And there is a market for that, many people don't want or cannot afford
exchange or notes.
I doubt the typical Linux PC server would handles 4million plus concurrent 
users, when running Postfix, Cyrus, and a calendering app also.
i doubt anyone sane would think of putting 4million plus mailboxes on
the same box :)
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Re: [Cooker] TAKE MY BRAIN OFF THIS DAMN METHADONE FOR THE LAST TIME!

2003-09-30 Thread John Allen
On Tuesday 30 September 2003 08:46, Luca Berra wrote:
 On Tue, Sep 30, 2003 at 08:31:00AM +0100, John Allen wrote:
 On Tuesday 30 September 2003 07:19, Leon Brooks wrote:
 Yes but Exchange is not just an MTA, it is also the server for your
  Outlook, does IMAP, POP, and calendering stuff as well.

 Very true, and still we don't have a functional mail and groupware
 application on Mandrake :(
 And there is a market for that, many people don't want or cannot afford
 exchange or notes.

 I doubt the typical Linux PC server would handles 4million plus concurrent
 users, when running Postfix, Cyrus, and a calendering app also.

 i doubt anyone sane would think of putting 4million plus mailboxes on
 the same box :)

Ah yes, but Leon suggested that Sendmail can handle 2M+, and that Postfix 
could deliver typically twice as much. These sort of statements can be very 
misleading to the those who don't understand the difference between an MTA, 
and an POP/IMAP mail server.


 L.

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[Cooker] [Bug 5023] [Installation] Dependencies cancel all selections

2003-09-30 Thread [mpupat]
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5023





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back to the main configuration screen (the one with Server, INtrenet and so ) 
 
The consol (ALt+CTrl+F1) says : 
 
(run install 2:10): Gtk-CRITICAL **: file ../../gtk/gtkbox.c: line 408 
(gtk_box_pack_end): assertion `child-parent == NULL` failes



Re: [Cooker] MakeCD creating 9 ISOs ?

2003-09-30 Thread Warly
Frank Griffin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Apologies if I somehow missed this thread, but how come

 ./MakeCD -t /data -a /data/cooker/i586

 which used to produce 4 650MB ISO images is now producing 9 ?  Is mkcd
 including all of contrib now ?

$ echo $[(`du -smc /c/ /RPMS/ /contrib/i586/ | grep total | cut -f 1`)/650]
8

$ echo $[(`du -smc /c/ /RPMS/ | grep total | cut -f 1`)/650]
4

obviously

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Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-30 Thread Laurent Montel
Le Tuesday 30 September 2003 08:27, Texstar a écrit :
 On Tuesday 30 September 2003 01:09 am, Randy Welch wrote:
  Eddie wrote:
  Do not split KDE into so many silly packages. No distro does this

Do you know Debian ?

  and it 
  is ridiculous and too confusing. Some one will say that you can install
  what you want and leave out other stuff, but if you use urpmi and/or
  gurpmi it still installs all the packages as before because of
  dependencies. Please go back to the way it was, it was s easier to
  keep track of. Eddie Mihalow Jr-Silver Club Member
 
  Oh I agree on this one.
 
  I don't think splitting KDE was such a good idea and I suspect it will
  com back to bite mandrake.
 
  Keep It simple!
 
  -randy

 And splitting a single application (kopete and others) into 3-4 seperate
 rpms just doesnt make sense.

Why ?
Do you know libification ?

Regards.



Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-30 Thread Steffen Barszus
Am Montag, 29. September 2003 18:40 schrieb Vincent Danen:
 On Sun Sep 28, 2003 at 02:36:41PM -0700, James Sparenberg wrote:

 [...]

   - How to have more contributors?
 
  A bugzilla (or similar product) for the release version?  Seems
  strange I know but if you hook people on the concept as users with
  a smaller bug number (hopefully) in a release version you could
  well spark the interest needed (as well as hone the skills needed)
  for working in

 http://bugs.mandrakelinux.com/

Cool. Something to play with in future :) . As said before, I can't 
really afford to work on/with cooker, this way might be a lot better 
solution for me to contribute to Mandrake

Thanks Vincent

Steffen



Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-30 Thread Steffen Barszus
Am Montag, 29. September 2003 01:34 schrieb James Sparenberg:
 On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 01:19, Warly wrote:
  It may be a good idea, before cooker opens again, to take these
  days to have some brainstorm.
 
  May you give your opinion on :
 
  - What was wrong in 9.2 development process?
 
  - We though a bit late in the 9.2 developement process to split
  cooker ml, we should do it now.
 
  - What could we do to improve 9.3/10.0 development.
 
  - What should we do to improve the Wiki.
 
  - Should we have cooker snapshot ISOs?
 
  - What could we do, as a community, to increase the acceptance of
  mandrakelinux?
 
  - How to have more contributors?
 
  And anything related to the mandrakelinux distro.

 In answer to all of the above.  How about splitting the development
 along 2 lines.  Mandrake tools and packages.  The idea here from my
 thought is that these really are two separate areas, with separate
 goals.

100% agree of this

 The next step would be to make the development of tools a continues
 project rather than a point/major release function.  Create a fourth
 area called testing on the mirrors.  This area differs from updates
 in that it isn't a bug fix but a known alpha product that is based on
 a stable release (in this case 9.2) and those power users who chose
 to can participate in the continuous testing of new ideas and
 directions. 

Yep. And this way people could test some things on stable release for 
cooker. Some of us have hard times to follow cooker, for testing 
mandrake tools this should really be affordable for a lot more people 
and have more testers because of that. 


 Finally when the MDK team chooses the final tool set from updates and
 this area, they become the tool set for the next release and then the
 crunch time would be able to concentrate on packages.  Overall it
 would yield a much more stable release process IMHO.

That idea is the best idea i have read during the whole thread. This 
would also help i18n people in translating, as translating could be 
done and tested during the whole time. 


I absolutly vote for this split up of development. 

Steffen



Re: [Cooker] URPMI thoughts

2003-09-30 Thread Franois Pons
Greg Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Awhile back I had tried to setup urpmi sources with multiple mirrors for each 
 source, thinking that if one mirror was busy, urpmi would move to the next.  
 In this way, I wouldn't have to worry about not being able to login and try 
 again, urpmi would simply move to the next preferred mirror.
 
 When I tried this it didn't seem to work and I have not tried again.  Is this 
 something that should be possible, or if not, can it be added as a feature?  
 It seems like a useful feature.

It should have worked in fact, after having problem to contact a mirror
(timeout) it should try another one provided another one is defined, but urpmi
will try this for each file, it is not a true dynamic mirror change as it
doesn't take care of error code returned by network layer.

Can you try to reproduce it and send me a urpmi bug report using --bug dir
please ?

François.



[Cooker] Re: And next ?

2003-09-30 Thread David Walser
Laurent Montel wrote:
 And splitting a single application (kopete and others) into 3-4 seperate
 rpms just doesnt make sense.
 
 Why ?
 Do you know libification ?

Is it necessary when nothing besides that single app is ever going to use the library?




[Cooker] [Bug 5024] [Installation] basesystem not selected

2003-09-30 Thread [mpupat]
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5024


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With any option of packages (individaul or not ...), the base system package 
is unselected and when Itry to select it, I get the message You cannot 
select/unselect this package. 
 
WHen I wont to continue the install, it stops saying AN error ocuured, base 
system package not selected and I cannot go further.



[Cooker] [Bug 5948] [XFree86-server] Savage driver broken

2003-09-30 Thread [nicbrown]
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5948





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I can confirm this bug report.
I'm seeing the same error message on my IBM T22.
If I use the savage driver from Tim Roberts site it works fine.

The same bug has been reported and resolved in debian. See;
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=182831



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The driver 'savage_drv.o' in XFree86-server-4.3-23mdk doesn't work in my
machine.  The screen flashes, and it looks like the video is out of sync.
With an LCD monitor that checks the signal more thoroughly, the message
'Out of Range' or 'Illegal mode' is displayed.

There is an error in the XFree86.0.log file:

(EE) SAVAGE(0): Failed to fetch any BIOS modes.  Disabling BIOS.

This prevents the driver from using any of the preset modes.

I've downloaded the a copy of the binary driver from
http://www.probo.com/timr/savage40.html, and it works.

I've downloaded the source code XFree86-4.3-23mdk.src.rpm, and discovered that
the files in savage-1.1.27t.tar are identical to the ones on Tim Roberts web
site (savage-1.1.27t.zip).  I've build the XFree86 release using the files
from the cooker site, and the 1.1.27t Savage driver source that's in 
XFree86-4.3-23mdk.src.rpm, it works.

The problem might be that the Imakefile in the Savage driver source is
incorrect, and the XFree86 build doesn't halt if there are errors, at least
in the driver compiles/links.  The location of the vbe includes should be
$(XF86SRC)/vbe not -I$(XF86OSSRC)/vbe.  So line 45 of 
xc/programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/drivers/savage/Imakefile should be

-I$(EXTINCSRC) -I$(XF86SRC)/vbe -I$(XF86SRC)/shadowfb

Probably when generating a release for Cooker, the WORLDOPTS = -k in
xc/Makefile should be commented out, so errors in the build can be readily
found.

There are bug reports of this problem for earlier releases (2523, 3482).



Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-30 Thread Doc Tree
On Sun 28 Sep 2003 at 08:19, Warly wrote:
| It may be a good idea, before cooker opens again, to take these
| days to have some brainstorm.
|
| May you give your opinion on :
|
| - What was wrong in 9.2 development process?

1. N America mirrors... out-of-date, inaccessible with too many
already logged in (priority to on-campus users). No local,
reliable sources of snapshot CDs (I'm stuck with dial-up
Internet access so I need a new snapshot on CD when there
are major changes, then I can keep up for a while with
overnight sync'ing until there's another major--as in size--
change).

2. Too little time. Start earlier. I keep older and unusual
boxes for testing:  PI system, GigaPro MB with 1Gigapro CPU,
slot-A Athlon on Amptron MB. Home network built from usable
parts of 'throw-away' PCs, 'final closeout' bargains and
lease return bargains. With enough time, I can try CD and
network installs on each and perhaps find and/or fix bugs.

| - We though a bit late in the 9.2 developement process to split
| cooker ml, we should do it now.

IMHO, do _NOT_ spilt the mailing list. Strongly encourage subject
tags for sorting with email client filters. [cooker] to a
directory, [Bug ] to bugs sub-directory, etc. Put out a
guideline message once a month or when there's a change. Find
a volunteer to create and maintain a hierarchical list of
recommended subject line tags to sort on.

I like being able to scan all the traffic. Most gets deleted
after a quick look.  I won't own an IA64 or Ath64 anytime soon
but I want to know what's going on with the whole distro and
the company. I also like being able to use filters to sort the
mail that interests me most into a directory that I will look
at first.

For each release cycle, strongly encourage tags after [cooker]
to clearly indicate to which snapshot the message applies:
[beta1] - [rc3]. Follow with the common name of the tool or
package: [install] or [kde] or {apache2] or [whatever]. Use
filters to sort things out as you prefer.

| - What could we do to improve 9.3/10.0 development.

1. START EARLIER.

2. Set clear goals for 9.3/10. Not just dates but priorities and
objectives.  For example:  A. Install and initial boot flawlessly
on the following:  1) off-the-shelf PCs {list}; 2) laptops
{list}; 97% of other i586 off-the-shelf PCs; and over 90% of
home-built and custom-built i586 PCs.  B. Support the following
SATA-enabled main boards {list} and drives {list} and 90+% of
other available serial HDs.  C. Include the latest stable version
of {list including OO, KDE, Gnome, Apache, etc.}

3. I largely agree with James Sparenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED],
especially a focus on tools and a separate 'test' area on the
mirrors. Emphasize the installer. Nothing frustrates a new (or
even an experienced) user more than the installation repeatedly
freezing or getting nothing but 'kernel panic' when trying that
first boot. Too many give up in frustration and either go back
to Microsoft Windows or try a different distro' (and then come
back to message boards and post about Mandrake problems and how
SuSe or RedHat or whatever worked fine).

4. Involve MandrakeClub members again and more. Months before the
release cycle gets moving, create a place to vote for 9.3/10
features and packages in the Mandrake voting site. Start with a
table showing all of the core packages. Tell them that KOffice,
OO, Apache, etc. are part of the core and that the latest stable
version of each of them will be in the release. Don't propose
them and if someone else does, don't waste your vote for them.

Clean up the distro, moving some traditional packages to contrib
even though some will yell and scream and cry about the editor
they used back in '92 being removed. Post a table for members to
vote for which of the 'very nice' packages they prefer. The
proftpd versus pureftpd thread is an example.

Then allow the chaotic free-for-all of requests for packages and
features. Let MandrakeClub members know that they can request a
'feature' as long as they can describe what they want.

| - What should we do to improve the Wiki.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it. It may break as it fills but
it's OK for now. When cracks start to show, fix it or rebuild
it or reorganize it or replace it or whatever it takes to make
it work well again.

| - Should we have cooker snapshot ISOs?

Maybe short (two day?) freezes between cycles asking folks to try
a fresh install, some building bootable CDs and others doing a
network install, to check a change in installer or tools or a new
default kernel or ???

| - What could we do, as a community, to increase the acceptance
| of mandrakelinux?

1. First and most important, keep producing a Linux distro that's
easy to install, configure, and update while retaining the
stability and security of Linux. Continue making administering
networks easy, increasing productivity of those who use it. Give
CDs away to everybody who shows an interest.

This msg is alrady too long but... climbing onto soap 

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-30 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 12:00, Doc Tree wrote:

 | - What could we do to improve 9.3/10.0 development.
 
 1. START EARLIER.

Huh? Earlier than what? Do you want us to go back in time to June and
start there? :)

 other available serial HDs.  C. Include the latest stable version
 of {list including OO, KDE, Gnome, Apache, etc.}

MDK always uses the last stable version of these major packages released
before it goes into feature freeze for the new version.

 Clean up the distro, moving some traditional packages to contrib
 even though some will yell and scream and cry about the editor
 they used back in '92 being removed. Post a table for members to
 vote for which of the 'very nice' packages they prefer. The
 proftpd versus pureftpd thread is an example.

I rather like this idea, actually. Streamline main but don't dump the
apps totally. Would work if contrib was more widely known about.
-- 
adamw




Re: [Cooker] Re: And next ?

2003-09-30 Thread Greg Meyer
On Tuesday 30 September 2003 06:07 am, David Walser wrote:
 Laurent Montel wrote:
  And splitting a single application (kopete and others) into 3-4 seperate
  rpms just doesnt make sense.
  
  Why ?
  Do you know libification ?
 
 Is it necessary when nothing besides that single app is ever going to use 
the library?
 
I suppose as with any change, some are going to like it and some are not.  I 
know SuSE splits its KDE packages in this fashion.
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Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-30 Thread Buchan Milne
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Vincent Danen wrote:
 On Mon Sep 29, 2003 at 11:37:22PM +0200, Buchan Milne wrote:


This is what @linux-mandrake.com addresses are for.

But again, there is no documented policy (and maybe even the
resitrictions
on what you should use it for) anywhere, so people don't know how to get
one.


 Hasn't it always been to email Lenny and ask?


And how reliable is this?

What feedback do people get?

What do you do if there is no reply?

This is not a scalable solution ...

Regards,
Buchan

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Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-30 Thread Pierre Jarillon
Le Mardi 30 Septembre 2003 10:41, Steffen Barszus a écrit :

  http://bugs.mandrakelinux.com/

 Cool. Something to play with in future :) . As said before, I can't
 really afford to work on/with cooker, this way might be a lot better
 solution for me to contribute to Mandrake

Good conception. It looks faster than bugzilla, but it is empty.
Bugzilla is too slow : to display a bug such as 
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5066
has a weight of 438084 bytes. This is mainly due to the great number of 
option in the select markup.

With a 56k modem,  at least100 seconds are necessary to load this page,
and 15s with an ADSL 512k. This is too much. 

But http://bugs.mandrakelinux.com/ is not a valid HTML :-(  Why? 

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Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-30 Thread Pierre Jarillon
Le Mardi 30 Septembre 2003 11:03, Steffen Barszus a écrit :

  The next step would be to make the development of tools a continues
  project rather than a point/major release function.  Create a fourth
  area called testing on the mirrors.  This area differs from updates
  in that it isn't a bug fix but a known alpha product that is based on
  a stable release (in this case 9.2) and those power users who chose
  to can participate in the continuous testing of new ideas and
  directions.

 Yep. And this way people could test some things on stable release for
 cooker. Some of us have hard times to follow cooker, for testing
 mandrake tools this should really be affordable for a lot more people
 and have more testers because of that.

Sure, this is a great idea. I take some time to do some bug tracking during  
beta and rc releases, but between these I would like to participate and to 
focus on a developpement. 

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[Cooker] [Bug 5975] [mozilla] Mozilla is crashing with j2re-1.4.2_01

2003-09-30 Thread [fcrozat]
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5975





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Still no problem on diamond mine after 15mins playing..

What does ~/.java/deployment/log/plugin142_01.trace reports ?

Which desktop are you using ? 

Is sound working correclty in the applet ?

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Install mozilla and j2re on your computer;  
Trye for exemple an applet from: http://www.popcap.com; mozilla will crash after a 
few moment. 
 
Try the same applet with konqueror and the same java package, it is working fine.



[Cooker] xchat 2.0.5

2003-09-30 Thread Pascal Terjan
For those interested I put packages on http://cmoi.fasmz.org:8080/misc/




[Cooker] [Bug 6025] [lyx] New: LyX dependency on rcs not reflected in RPM

2003-09-30 Thread [rick]
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6025

   Product: lyx
 Component: packaging
   Summary: LyX dependency on rcs not reflected in RPM
   Product: lyx
   Version: 1.3.2-6mdk
  Platform: PC
OS/Version: All
Status: UNCONFIRMED
  Severity: normal
  Priority: P2
 Component: packaging
AssignedTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ReportedBy: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Hi,

LyX in MDK-9.2-rc2 does not say it depends on RCS, but the version control needs
it.  Please add that dependency.

Cheers,
Rick van Rein.

P.S. Sorry if this was reported before -- your qa site is incredibally slow,
causing its users (or me at least) to stick to the minimal courtesy of reporting
bugs.  Hope this doesn't cause too much double reporting...

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[Cooker] [Bug 6026] [speedtouch] New: No restart, usb-uhci losted

2003-09-30 Thread [patrice.ferlet]
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6026

   Product: speedtouch
 Component: program
   Summary: No restart, usb-uhci losted
   Product: speedtouch
   Version: 1.2-1mdk
  Platform: Other
OS/Version: All
Status: UNCONFIRMED
  Severity: normal
  Priority: P2
 Component: program
AssignedTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ReportedBy: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Hello, 
Yesterday, for the first time, i have to restart my cooker. 
The internet was connected, but no DNS... in fact that was my provider... but 
i have tried /eus/share/speedtouch/speedtouch restart as i used to do... 
but: ERROR... usbcore used and the modem was swithed off. 
In fact, after 4h to seek where is the trouble, i tried: 
modprobe usb-uhci and restarting speedtouch... the modem swichted on and the 
connection restarted.  
It's ok now, but it have to be corrected in cooker. 
Thanks

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Re: [Cooker] YEAH ITS THE FUNNIEST DAMN THING SINCE THIS SIDE OF THE STATES EH?

2003-09-30 Thread Jason M. Randle
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Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-30 Thread eddie
Laurent Montel wrote:
Le Tuesday 30 September 2003 08:27, Texstar a écrit :

On Tuesday 30 September 2003 01:09 am, Randy Welch wrote:

Eddie wrote:

Do not split KDE into so many silly packages. No distro does this


Do you know Debian ?


and it 
is ridiculous and too confusing. Some one will say that you can install
what you want and leave out other stuff, but if you use urpmi and/or
gurpmi it still installs all the packages as before because of
dependencies. Please go back to the way it was, it was s easier to
keep track of.			Eddie Mihalow Jr-Silver Club Member
Oh I agree on this one.

I don't think splitting KDE was such a good idea and I suspect it will
com back to bite mandrake.
Keep It simple!

-randy
And splitting a single application (kopete and others) into 3-4 seperate
rpms just doesnt make sense.


Why ?
Do you know libification ?
Regards.


Yes, I think Texstar has a handle on KDE!




Re: [Cooker] Re: And next ?

2003-09-30 Thread Marcel Pol
On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 06:07:50 -0400
David Walser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Laurent Montel wrote:
  And splitting a single application (kopete and others) into 3-4 seperate
  rpms just doesnt make sense.
  
  Why ?
  Do you know libification ?
 
 Is it necessary when nothing besides that single app is ever going to use
 the library?

I think yes. On amd-64 the library packages will be named different
(libkopete1 vs something like libkopete1-64), and the file locations will be
different as well (/usr/lib vs /usr/lib64), so splitting the libraries and
binaries (/usr/bin) is a good thing.


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Re: [Cooker] YEAH ITS THE FUNNIEST DAMN THING SINCE THIS SIDE OF THE STATES EH?

2003-09-30 Thread John Allen
On Tuesday 30 September 2003 14:00, Jason M. Randle wrote:
 HAHA JOHN ALLEN YOU THINK?? NOW YOU GET A COOKIE


WHADYA TALKIN BOUT DEN

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Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-30 Thread Buchan Milne
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eddie wrote:
 Laurent Montel wrote:

 Why ?
 Do you know libification ?

 Yes, I think Texstar has a handle on KDE!

I guess Texstar also adds features and does bug fixes in KDE CVS?

Anyway, just run rpmlint on Tex's packages, and then on the ones in
cooker, and compare the score (by the number of lines). You will see
very soon why this was done. The rules rpmlint uses have good reasoning,
so if you get too many errors, you need to consider making those
changes. Laurent has now, and that is a big improvement, and the rpmlint
score will reflect that.

Regards,
Buchan

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[Cooker] [Bug 6027] [cups] New: sigsev with fiery printer server driver

2003-09-30 Thread [udo]
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6027

   Product: cups
 Component: program
   Summary: sigsev with fiery printer server driver
   Product: cups
   Version: 1.1.19-10mdk
  Platform: PC
OS/Version: All
Status: UNCONFIRMED
  Severity: normal
  Priority: P2
 Component: program
AssignedTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ReportedBy: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


we have a couple of fiery based printer servers, that allow us to print to some
high volume minolta color copiers.

There are a couple of fiery drivers in cups-drivers. No matter which one I
choose, I cannot configure the printer via the browser based administration. 

I can add it, can print to it but cannot _configure_ it.

clicking on configure printer gives the following hint in /var/log/cups/error.log:

--CUT--
D [30/Sep/2003:13:20:12 +0200] ReadClient() 5 GET
/admin/?op=config-printerprinter_name=fiery_ii HTTP/1.1
D [30/Sep/2003:13:20:12 +0200] CGI /usr/lib/cups/cgi-bin/admin.cgi started - PID
= 3119
I [30/Sep/2003:13:20:12 +0200] Started /usr/lib/cups/cgi-bin/admin.cgi (pid=3119)
D [30/Sep/2003:13:20:12 +0200] SendCommand() 5 file=9
D [30/Sep/2003:13:20:12 +0200] AcceptClient() 8 from localhost:631.
D [30/Sep/2003:13:20:12 +0200] AcceptClient() 10 from localhost:631.
D [30/Sep/2003:13:20:12 +0200] ReadClient() 10 POST / HTTP/1.1
D [30/Sep/2003:13:20:12 +0200] ProcessIPPRequest: 10 status_code=0
D [30/Sep/2003:13:20:12 +0200] ReadClient() 10 GET /printers/fiery_ii.ppd HTTP/1.1
D [30/Sep/2003:13:20:12 +0200] SendFile() 10 file=11
E [30/Sep/2003:13:20:12 +0200] PID 3119 crashed on signal 11!
D [30/Sep/2003:13:20:12 +0200] CloseClient() 8
D [30/Sep/2003:13:20:12 +0200] CloseClient() 10
--CUT--

I have no idea if that bug is inside cups, the browser gui or the ppd file
itself (but that is rather unlikely, as configuration via XPP is working).

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Re: [Cooker] Encrypted partitions with Mandrake?

2003-09-30 Thread Thomas Backlund
From: lamikr_mdk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Can anybody give me details how strong is the encryption if I create 
 encrypted mount point partition during the Mandrake install?
 
 Or should I use some PKI based loopback crypto package like loop-AES. 
 See http://loop-aes.sourceforge.net/loop-AES.README for details?
 

This is supported in MDK kernels...

 Has anybody had any experiences from either of these? Or from some other 
 encrypted loop device solutions?
 

Thomas




[Cooker] [Bug 6024] [mozilla-mail] No way to format HTML messages

2003-09-30 Thread [fgriffin]
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6024





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I confirm this.  Open a new message window, and all of the HTML formatting stuff
is greyed out, even though in Mail and Newsgroup Account Settings I have
Compose messages in HTML format checked.

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the same result.

Even if I reply to an email already in HTML format I can't alter the the format
in any way.

I have Enigmail installed but set to no default encrytpion.



Re: [Cooker] MakeCD creating 9 ISOs ?

2003-09-30 Thread John van Spaandonk
On Tuesday 30 September 2003 10:29, Warly wrote:
 Frank Griffin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  Apologies if I somehow missed this thread, but how come
 
  ./MakeCD -t /data -a /data/cooker/i586
 
  which used to produce 4 650MB ISO images is now producing 9 ?  Is mkcd
  including all of contrib now ?

 $ echo $[(`du -smc /c/ /RPMS/ /contrib/i586/ | grep total | cut -f 1`)/650]
 8

 $ echo $[(`du -smc /c/ /RPMS/ | grep total | cut -f 1`)/650]
 4

 obviously

Not that it is possible to create CD's from current cooker without
dependency problems...

(See my earlier mail).




Re: [Cooker] YEAH ITS THE FUNNIEST DAMN THING SINCE THIS SIDE OF THE STATES EH?

2003-09-30 Thread Austin
On 09/30/2003 09:00:06 AM, Jason M. Randle wrote:
HAHA JOHN ALLEN YOU THINK?? NOW YOU GET A COOKIE
ROTFL!
This is AWESOME!
I haven't read anything this funny in a long time.
Maybe we should keep this guy around for comic relief during those stressful  
beta testing periods.

Man, I want a cookie too.  :-)

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Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-30 Thread Texstar
   Oh I agree on this one.
  
   I don't think splitting KDE was such a good idea and I suspect it will
   com back to bite mandrake.
  
   Keep It simple!
  
   -randy
 
  And splitting a single application (kopete and others) into 3-4 seperate
  rpms just doesnt make sense.

 Why ?

Why split it if no other application is going to use that applications 
library?

 Do you know libification ?

Yes and but sometimes a good idea can be taken too far. 

 Regards.

Cheers.




Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-30 Thread Texstar
On Tuesday 30 September 2003 08:11 am, eddie wrote:
 And splitting a single application (kopete and others) into 3-4 seperate
 rpms just doesnt make sense.
 
  Why ?
  Do you know libification ?
 
  Regards.

 Yes, I think Texstar has a handle on KDE!

Sometimes things make sense and sometimes they dont and sometimes you just 
need a clarification as to why things are done a certain way.




Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-30 Thread Michael Scherer
On Tuesday 30 September 2003 05:38, Brad Felmey wrote:
 On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 03:19, Warly wrote:
  - What was wrong in 9.2 development process?

 The same thing wrong with them all - too little QA/freeze, although
 this is somewhat better now.

 Also ludicrous changelogs like fixed something or rebuild.
 Laurent is the worst about this. Fixed *WHAT*? Rebuild WHY?

  - We though a bit late in the 9.2 developement process to split
  cooker ml, we should do it now.

 Debian is split to death, and it's a mess. I'd send the bugs to a
 different list, with followups set to cooker, and leave the rest.

Well, all others projects are split, not only debian ( think freebsd, 
gentoo, etc ). So, i do not fill this is bad.
The time lost due to a post on the wrong list will still be inferior to 
the time gained by having people focused on the subject they want.

  And anything related to the mandrakelinux distro.

 For God's sake, a urpmi proxy, like apt-proxy. Corporations are not
 going to want each box pulling packages separately, and they don't
 want to mirror, either. They just want to pull the stuff they need -
 once.

wel, they can either setup a mirror, or use squid with correct 
configuration. I do not know squid too much, but, it should be possible 
to cache everything that come from a certain host, whatever the size is 
?

Having a doc explaineing this method on the user wiki will be sufficent, 
i think.

 Also, a place where folks can go get urpmi lines. Not just for stuff
 like MdkClub and mirrors, but kind of like Debian has a list of misc.
 repositories available that make it easy to locate Mdk-specific
 packages for whatever the user is looking for. Almost all unsupported
 and unaffiliated, but at least a place where a user can go look for
 homegrown packages of stuff (a la Texstar, etc.).

Do you mean something like http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/ 

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Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-30 Thread Michael Scherer
On Monday 29 September 2003 23:14, Vincent Danen wrote:
c On Mon Sep 29, 2003 at 10:50:48PM +0200, Michael Scherer wrote:
   - How to have more contributors?
 
  while browsing the web, i have seen that gentoo and netbsd announce
  their new developpers. this may be a good idea,in order to show
  that new contributers comes.
 
  And, even if this sound a little childish, having a
  @contributer.mandrake.org mail address for contributer could do
  some subliminal advertisement, showing that people can contribute
  without having to be employed by mdk.

 This is what @linux-mandrake.com addresses are for.

Yes, but someone said that they were no longer given, and this address 
sound too much like the one of the employees.

That's why i have proposed something that clearly show that outside 
people can contribute. 


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Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-30 Thread Olivier Thauvin
Le Mardi 30 Septembre 2003 17:31, Texstar a écrit :
Oh I agree on this one.
   
I don't think splitting KDE was such a good idea and I suspect it
will com back to bite mandrake.
   
Keep It simple!
   
-randy
  
   And splitting a single application (kopete and others) into 3-4
   seperate rpms just doesnt make sense.
 
  Why ?

 Why split it if no other application is going to use that applications
 library?

This is need to make simple upgrade on some other arch. This make help to not 
have stupid dependencies between package.
This does not break nothing.

If one days another need the library, works will be done !

  Do you know libification ?

 Yes and but sometimes a good idea can be taken too far.

Why ? Because you can't understand why we do this ?
Are you sure you're the good poeple to explain how to package:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] texstar]$ ls 9.2/rpms/
hpijs-1.4.1-1tex.i586.rpm  
kdemoreartwork-plastik-0.3.7-2tex.i586.rpm

How can you make 9.2 rpms ? You can't know which rpms are within, nobody have 
access to the distro at time, except mandrake's poeple.

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Re: [Cooker] screem-0.8.1

2003-09-30 Thread Charles A Edwards

Was able to track the problem php syntax highlighting problem.

In the 0.8 branch screem now uses GtkSourceView which does not include
the php language.

It should be avaiable in next release of GtkSourceView, though as of yet
nothing has been yet committed to CVS.

If you wish you can use the attached php.lang
Copy it to /usr/share/gtksourceview-1.0/language-specs/
It may offer more highlighting than what you want but take a look and
see what you think.


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Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-30 Thread Vincent Danen
On Tue Sep 30, 2003 at 01:48:44PM +0200, Pierre Jarillon wrote:

   http://bugs.mandrakelinux.com/
 
  Cool. Something to play with in future :) . As said before, I can't
  really afford to work on/with cooker, this way might be a lot better
  solution for me to contribute to Mandrake
 
 Good conception. It looks faster than bugzilla, but it is empty.
 Bugzilla is too slow : to display a bug such as 
 http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5066
 has a weight of 438084 bytes. This is mainly due to the great number of 
 option in the select markup.
 
 With a 56k modem,  at least100 seconds are necessary to load this page,
 and 15s with an ADSL 512k. This is too much. 
 
 But http://bugs.mandrakelinux.com/ is not a valid HTML :-(  Why? 

I'm not sure what you mean.  What's not valid HMTL?

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Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-30 Thread Texstar
On Tuesday 30 September 2003 08:22 am, Buchan Milne wrote:
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 eddie wrote:
  Laurent Montel wrote:
  Why ?
  Do you know libification ?
 
  Yes, I think Texstar has a handle on KDE!

 I guess Texstar also adds features and does bug fixes in KDE CVS?

What does this have to do with the way code is packaged? 


 Anyway, just run rpmlint on Tex's packages, and then on the ones in
 cooker, and compare the score (by the number of lines). You will see
 very soon why this was done. The rules rpmlint uses have good reasoning,
 so if you get too many errors, you need to consider making those
 changes. Laurent has now, and that is a big improvement, and the rpmlint
 score will reflect that.

 Regards,
 Buchan

rpmlint is just a reference tool 




Re: [Cooker] gideon from cvs, linmodems, linmodems + seti stuff

2003-09-30 Thread Michael Scherer
On Monday 29 September 2003 23:50, Diego Iastrubni wrote:
  , 30  2003, 00:34,Buchan 
 Milne:
   dosemu (compiled in 9.0, runs in 9.1, 9.2), please run first time
   in a console, then you can use the menu item:
   http://iglu.org.il/pub/Hebrew/diego/dosemu/
 
  dosbox is in contrib to replace this, since dosemu can't be
  compiled in it's entirity (or the dos image) with free software in
  the distribution. I'm not sure if PLF has a package?

 dosbox sux, dosemu ownz. :) I needed dosemu for NASM which ide is in
 PMODE, and not supported by dosbox.

 as I understand, in the definition of free s/w here is it can be
 compiled using free tools. I think that freedos can be compiled with
 some free (no cost and open source compiler) the name ran out of my
 head sorry.

 If anyone wants dos emu, and he cannot have it from the official
 sites, he can have it here.

well, i think that dosemu is split in two package.
the dosemu binary, and the dos image.

Only the dos image is considered to be not free.
So, only the dos image should go to plf...
If nobody is against having dosemu without freedos in contribs, i think 
that plf will accept to have the freedos image. We have basiliskII 
wthout the rom in contrib, so that shouldn't be a problem.


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Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-30 Thread Buchan Milne
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Texstar wrote:
 On Tuesday 30 September 2003 08:22 am, Buchan Milne wrote:

eddie wrote:

Laurent Montel wrote:

Why ?
Do you know libification ?

Yes, I think Texstar has a handle on KDE!

I guess Texstar also adds features and does bug fixes in KDE CVS?


 What does this have to do with the way code is packaged?


Nothing, but neither does the previous statement (which is what I was
actually hinting at ...).

Regards,
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[Cooker] [Bug 6024] [mozilla-mail] No way to format HTML messages

2003-09-30 Thread [bgmilne]
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6024





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I have -12mdk (mirror out-of-date), and it works here. But, of course, you can't
format the recipient and subject in HTML, so the formatting bars are greyed-out
until you click in the message area.

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the same result.

Even if I reply to an email already in HTML format I can't alter the the format
in any way.

I have Enigmail installed but set to no default encrytpion.



[Cooker] SUB cooker

2003-09-30 Thread David





Re: [Cooker] http://bugs.mandrakelinux.com/

2003-09-30 Thread Felix Miata
Vincent Danen wrote:
 
 On Tue Sep 30, 2003 at 01:48:44PM +0200, Pierre Jarillon wrote:
 
http://bugs.mandrakelinux.com/

   Cool. Something to play with in future :) . As said before, I can't
   really afford to work on/with cooker, this way might be a lot better
   solution for me to contribute to Mandrake

  Good conception. It looks faster than bugzilla, but it is empty.
  Bugzilla is too slow : to display a bug such as
  http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5066
  has a weight of 438084 bytes. This is mainly due to the great number of
  option in the select markup.

  With a 56k modem,  at least100 seconds are necessary to load this page,
  and 15s with an ADSL 512k. This is too much.

  But http://bugs.mandrakelinux.com/ is not a valid HTML :-(  Why?
 
 I'm not sure what you mean.  What's not valid HMTL?

It can't be validated:
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fbugs.mandrakelinux.com%2F
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[Cooker] [Bug 6028] [pybliographer] New: Settings - preferences dialog box fails in pybliographic

2003-09-30 Thread [gureghia]
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6028

   Product: pybliographer
 Component: program
   Summary: Settings - preferences dialog box fails in
pybliographic
   Product: pybliographer
   Version: 1.1.92-1mdk
  Platform: PC
OS/Version: All
Status: UNCONFIRMED
  Severity: minor
  Priority: P2
 Component: program
AssignedTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ReportedBy: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


With or without loading any file, pybliographic fails to show the preferences
dialog box by using the menu entry Settings - Preferences.
Here is the dump of error messages :

/usr/lib/python2.3/xmllib.py:10: DeprecationWarning: The xmllib module is
obsolete.  Use xml.sax instead.
  DeprecationWarning)
 
(Pybliographer:3106): libglade-WARNING **: could not find glade file
'/usr/share/pybliographer/glade/config1.glade'
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File
/home/goetz/tmp/pybliographer-1.1.92-buildroot/usr/share/pybliographer/Pyblio/GnomeUI/Document.py,
line 124, in set_preferences
  File
/home/goetz/tmp/pybliographer-1.1.92-buildroot/usr/share/pybliographer/Pyblio/GnomeUI/Config.py,
line 660, in run
  File
/home/goetz/tmp/pybliographer-1.1.92-buildroot/usr/share/pybliographer/Pyblio/GnomeUI/Config.py,
line 52, in __init__
RuntimeError: could not create GladeXML object
 
googling
(http://www.google.fr/search?q=RuntimeError%3A%20could%20not%20create%20GladeXML%20object%0A)did
 not gave me any clue, except perharp's a 2.0 gtk/gnome compatibility problem.

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Re: [Cooker] YEAH ITS THE FUNNIEST DAMN THING SINCE THIS SIDE OF THE STATES EH?

2003-09-30 Thread jokerman64
On Tuesday 30 September 2003 09:00 am, Jason M. Randle wrote:
 HAHA JOHN ALLEN YOU THINK?? NOW YOU GET A COOKIE
aaahahahahahahahahaah
:)
good stuff, people, good stuff.
 John Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:On Tuesday 30 September 2003 04:12, 
Jason M. Randle wrote:
  TYPCIAL ASSHOLES!

 Yes you are aren't you.

  Greg Meyer wrote:On Monday 29 September 2003 10:13 pm,

 Sascha Noyes wrote:
   On Monday 29 September 2003 07:09 pm, Jason M. Randle wrote:
Great minds discuss ideas.
Average minds discuss events.
Ignorant minds discuss people.
what is ignorance? well, its lack of willingness to learn or be corrected
 
You must admit that the sig is somewhat amusing in this email.
Oh yes, it certainly is
  I didn't catch that. It is delicious irony.



[Cooker] need clarification on dynamic usb storage device and supermount

2003-09-30 Thread Pascal Cavy
The following scenario is implemented in cooker :

1. connect an usb storage device to usb port

2. dynamic creates an entry in /etc/fstab with supermount option - an icon appears on 
kde for the device
none /mnt/removable supermount 
dev=/dev/sda1,fs=ext2:vfat,--,codepage=850,iocharset=iso8859-15,kudzu 0 0

3. click on this icon to access the usb storage filesystem

4. How do I disconnect cleanly this device from the desktop now that is 
automatically mounted ? 
I cannot unmount it from the kde icon since the user option is not in /etc/fstab 


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Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-30 Thread Texstar
On Tuesday 30 September 2003 11:01 am, you wrote:
 Le Mardi 30 Septembre 2003 17:31, Texstar a écrit :
 Oh I agree on this one.

 I don't think splitting KDE was such a good idea and I suspect it
 will com back to bite mandrake.

 Keep It simple!

 -randy
   
And splitting a single application (kopete and others) into 3-4
seperate rpms just doesnt make sense.
  
   Why ?
 
  Why split it if no other application is going to use that applications
  library?

 This is need to make simple upgrade on some other arch. This make help to
 not have stupid dependencies between package.
 This does not break nothing.

 If one days another need the library, works will be done !

   Do you know libification ?
 
  Yes and but sometimes a good idea can be taken too far.

 Why ? Because you can't understand why we do this ?
 Are you sure you're the good poeple to explain how to package:

Lets take a simple application and split it into 3 rpms. One for the 
application, one for the library and one for the development libraries 
because thats the Mandrake way of doing things. Makes perfect sense to me.

Im not telling anyone how to package anything. I was asking a question as to 
why simple applications are being split into multiple rpms. I wanted to know 
why. If it makes it easier on the packagers when rebuilding for a different 
arch then its a good thing. If it was being done simply because it was the 
Mandrake way of doing things then it doesnt make sense. 
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] texstar]$ ls 9.2/rpms/
 hpijs-1.4.1-1tex.i586.rpm
 kdemoreartwork-plastik-0.3.7-2tex.i586.rpm
 kdemoreartwork-plastik-0.3.7-2tex.i586.rpm

 How can you make 9.2 rpms ? You can't know which rpms are within, nobody
 have access to the distro at time, except mandrake's poeple.

I know Laurent isnt going to make any major revisions to the kde contained in 
RC-2 updated cooker so whatever is duplicated if any will be removed from the 
ibiblio directory and a hdlist will be generated following some kind of 
announcement on pclo once 9.2 is released.




Re: [Cooker] TAKE MY BRAIN OFF THIS DAMN METHADONE FOR THE LAST TIME!

2003-09-30 Thread jokerman64
On Tuesday 30 September 2003 03:46 am, Luca Berra wrote:
 On Tue, Sep 30, 2003 at 08:31:00AM +0100, John Allen wrote:
 On Tuesday 30 September 2003 07:19, Leon Brooks wrote:
 Yes but Exchange is not just an MTA, it is also the server for your
  Outlook, does IMAP, POP, and calendering stuff as well.

 Very true, and still we don't have a functional mail and groupware
 application on Mandrake :(

yeah we do, evolution (and soon to be released Kontact).
evolution has been around since forever too.
 And there is a market for that, many people don't want or cannot afford
 exchange or notes.

 I doubt the typical Linux PC server would handles 4million plus concurrent
 users, when running Postfix, Cyrus, and a calendering app also.

 i doubt anyone sane would think of putting 4million plus mailboxes on
 the same box :)

 L.



Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-30 Thread Texstar

 Yes, I think Texstar has a handle on KDE!
 
 I guess Texstar also adds features and does bug fixes in KDE CVS?
 
  What does this have to do with the way code is packaged?

 Nothing, but neither does the previous statement (which is what I was
 actually hinting at ...).

 Regards,
 Buchan

Good point! :-D




Re: [Cooker] need clarification on dynamic usb storage device and supermount

2003-09-30 Thread Götz Waschk
Am Dienstag, 30. September 2003, 18:45:07 Uhr MET, schrieb Pascal Cavy:
 4. How do I disconnect cleanly this device from the desktop now that
 is automatically mounted ? I cannot unmount it from the kde icon
 since the user option is not in /etc/fstab

It should be possible to simply remove the usb stick, I mean that's
what supermount was written for. 
 
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[Cooker] [Bug 6024] [mozilla-mail] No way to format HTML messages

2003-09-30 Thread [fgriffin]
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6024





--- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2003-30-09 15:16 ---
Oops, you're right, that's the case on -13 as well.  I never noticed that they
toggled.

I tried replying to an HTML mail, and the reply Compose window seems to
correctly quote the original mail.  Also, the HTML controls are present and
operational.

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the same result.

Even if I reply to an email already in HTML format I can't alter the the format
in any way.

I have Enigmail installed but set to no default encrytpion.



Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-30 Thread jokerman64
On Sunday 28 September 2003 04:19 am, Warly wrote:
 It may be a good idea, before cooker opens again, to take these days to
 have some brainstorm.

 May you give your opinion on :

 - What was wrong in 9.2 development process?
[worksforme]
I hate it when people close bugs w/ works for me instead of  actually trying 
to fix the prob. I think it's a major copout. 
 - We though a bit late in the 9.2 developement process to split cooker ml,
 we should do it now.
If by splitting cooker ML you mean putting bug reports in a separate mailing 
list, by all means have it it. That's a great idea. A bugzilla list and a 
coooker list sounds like a prime idea.
 - What could we do to improve 9.3/10.0 development.
Whenever you need bugtesters to start testing for next distro why not put a 
link on the main page (mandrake.com).
Also you should assign (or suggest) specific things for testing like

- KDE packages
- Gnome Packages
- Apache Packages
- Xfree/fontconfig/xfs packages
--- etc packages
- Installation routine
- Upgrade routine
- Post installation upgrades
- drak tools.
and then just have people volunteer to test those. it would make things more 
streamlined i think and make the work of finding bugs go quicker.

 - What should we do to improve the Wiki.
wtf is the wiki. i've only seen reference to it on cooker.
 - Should we have cooker snapshot ISOs?
eh.
 - What could we do, as a community, to increase the acceptance of
 mandrakelinux?
How about fixing them fonts on the main page to make it look better. 
seriously. I don't even like going to that page anymore because of how 
horrible it looks, and guess what? There are more just like me! We hate that 
page, change it. Better fonts.
 - How to have more contributors?
Well you could tell the contirbuters where they can contribute for starters. 
I've heard of the wiki but just wtf is it? beats me. 
And exactly what do you mean by contributors, MDK clubbers? bug hunters? 
packagers, guys to proofread documentation (i could do this, hell I could 
write some too given enough time)
Again layout exactly what you need somewhere on a page or subpage. if all this 
in already in the wiki. wtf is it :)
 And anything related to the mandrakelinux distro.
How 'bout adding sites like mandrake user sites on another page (mandrake 
community or something)
Not like a webring or anything (those are gay). You can just link to them 
(after checking if they pass muster w/ you guys).




[Cooker] [Bug 6024] [mozilla-mail] No way to format HTML messages

2003-09-30 Thread [home]
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6024





--- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2003-30-09 15:20 ---
Well the problem I have is that the formatting controls are not there at
all, not just that they are greyed out.


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I have just updated to the latest cooker version 1.4-13mdk and am still getting
the same result.

Even if I reply to an email already in HTML format I can't alter the the format
in any way.

I have Enigmail installed but set to no default encrytpion.



[Cooker] [Bug 6027] [cups] sigsev with fiery printer server driver

2003-09-30 Thread [udo]
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6027





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Correction: configuration via XPP is not working either, I only see the printer
independent options (tabs basic, text and advanced) though the ppd file
has UI options like *OpenUI *EFPrinterMode/Printer Mode:PickOne

But I see those options in OO printer settings, device tab.

The ppd file I'm playing around is /usr/share/cups/model/minolta/efxjm2d3.ppd.gz.



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high volume minolta color copiers.

There are a couple of fiery drivers in cups-drivers. No matter which one I
choose, I cannot configure the printer via the browser based administration. 

I can add it, can print to it but cannot _configure_ it.

clicking on configure printer gives the following hint in /var/log/cups/error.log:

--CUT--
D [30/Sep/2003:13:20:12 +0200] ReadClient() 5 GET
/admin/?op=config-printerprinter_name=fiery_ii HTTP/1.1
D [30/Sep/2003:13:20:12 +0200] CGI /usr/lib/cups/cgi-bin/admin.cgi started - PID
= 3119
I [30/Sep/2003:13:20:12 +0200] Started /usr/lib/cups/cgi-bin/admin.cgi (pid=3119)
D [30/Sep/2003:13:20:12 +0200] SendCommand() 5 file=9
D [30/Sep/2003:13:20:12 +0200] AcceptClient() 8 from localhost:631.
D [30/Sep/2003:13:20:12 +0200] AcceptClient() 10 from localhost:631.
D [30/Sep/2003:13:20:12 +0200] ReadClient() 10 POST / HTTP/1.1
D [30/Sep/2003:13:20:12 +0200] ProcessIPPRequest: 10 status_code=0
D [30/Sep/2003:13:20:12 +0200] ReadClient() 10 GET /printers/fiery_ii.ppd HTTP/1.1
D [30/Sep/2003:13:20:12 +0200] SendFile() 10 file=11
E [30/Sep/2003:13:20:12 +0200] PID 3119 crashed on signal 11!
D [30/Sep/2003:13:20:12 +0200] CloseClient() 8
D [30/Sep/2003:13:20:12 +0200] CloseClient() 10
--CUT--

I have no idea if that bug is inside cups, the browser gui or the ppd file
itself (but that is rather unlikely, as configuration via XPP is working).



Re: [Cooker] need clarification on dynamic usb storage device and supermount

2003-09-30 Thread Buchan Milne
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Pascal Cavy wrote:
 The following scenario is implemented in cooker :

 1. connect an usb storage device to usb port

 2. dynamic creates an entry in /etc/fstab with supermount option - an
icon appears on kde for the device
 none /mnt/removable supermount
dev=/dev/sda1,fs=ext2:vfat,--,codepage=850,iocharset=iso8859-15,kudzu 0 0

I was under the impression supemount wasn't used, but the 'user' option
was, like this:
/dev/sda1 /mnt/removable auto
user,iocharset=iso8859-15,noauto,kudzu,exec,codepage=850 0 0

Maybe you booted up with one attached, and harddrake configured it?


 3. click on this icon to access the usb storage filesystem

Yes, and something mounts it for you (ie KDE).


 4. How do I disconnect cleanly this device from the desktop now that is
 automatically mounted ?
 I cannot unmount it from the kde icon since the user option is not in
/etc/fstab

Right-click-unmount, or 'unmount /mnt/removable'.

That is, unless something has changed ...

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[Cooker] [Bug 6024] [mozilla-mail] No way to format HTML messages

2003-09-30 Thread [fgriffin]
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6024





--- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2003-30-09 15:32 ---
Open Mail, go to Edit - Mail and Newsgroup Account Settings, and ensure that
you have Compose messages in HTML format  checked.

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the same result.

Even if I reply to an email already in HTML format I can't alter the the format
in any way.

I have Enigmail installed but set to no default encrytpion.



Re: [Cooker] TAKE MY BRAIN OFF THIS DAMN METHADONE FOR THE LAST TIME!

2003-09-30 Thread Buchan Milne
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jokerman64 wrote:
 On Tuesday 30 September 2003 03:46 am, Luca Berra wrote:

On Tue, Sep 30, 2003 at 08:31:00AM +0100, John Allen wrote:

On Tuesday 30 September 2003 07:19, Leon Brooks wrote:
Yes but Exchange is not just an MTA, it is also the server for your
Outlook, does IMAP, POP, and calendering stuff as well.

Very true, and still we don't have a functional mail and groupware
application on Mandrake :(


 yeah we do, evolution (and soon to be released Kontact).
 evolution has been around since forever too.

Luca obviously means server-side (ie Exhchage, not Outlook).

Regards,
Buchan

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[Cooker] [Bug 6027] [cups] sigsev with fiery printer server driver

2003-09-30 Thread [till]
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6027





--- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2003-30-09 15:35 ---
The PPD files is broken, cupstestppd reports an error:

---
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mdk]# cupstestppd /usr/share/cups/model/minolta/efxjm2d3.ppd.gz
/usr/share/cups/model/minolta/efxjm2d3.ppd.gz: FAIL
  **FAIL**  Unable to open PPD file - Illegal option keyword string on line
1327.
REF: Page 19, section 3.3.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mdk]#
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but there should not be a segfault because of this. I will report this to the
CUPS developers.


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There are a couple of fiery drivers in cups-drivers. No matter which one I
choose, I cannot configure the printer via the browser based administration. 

I can add it, can print to it but cannot _configure_ it.

clicking on configure printer gives the following hint in /var/log/cups/error.log:

--CUT--
D [30/Sep/2003:13:20:12 +0200] ReadClient() 5 GET
/admin/?op=config-printerprinter_name=fiery_ii HTTP/1.1
D [30/Sep/2003:13:20:12 +0200] CGI /usr/lib/cups/cgi-bin/admin.cgi started - PID
= 3119
I [30/Sep/2003:13:20:12 +0200] Started /usr/lib/cups/cgi-bin/admin.cgi (pid=3119)
D [30/Sep/2003:13:20:12 +0200] SendCommand() 5 file=9
D [30/Sep/2003:13:20:12 +0200] AcceptClient() 8 from localhost:631.
D [30/Sep/2003:13:20:12 +0200] AcceptClient() 10 from localhost:631.
D [30/Sep/2003:13:20:12 +0200] ReadClient() 10 POST / HTTP/1.1
D [30/Sep/2003:13:20:12 +0200] ProcessIPPRequest: 10 status_code=0
D [30/Sep/2003:13:20:12 +0200] ReadClient() 10 GET /printers/fiery_ii.ppd HTTP/1.1
D [30/Sep/2003:13:20:12 +0200] SendFile() 10 file=11
E [30/Sep/2003:13:20:12 +0200] PID 3119 crashed on signal 11!
D [30/Sep/2003:13:20:12 +0200] CloseClient() 8
D [30/Sep/2003:13:20:12 +0200] CloseClient() 10
--CUT--

I have no idea if that bug is inside cups, the browser gui or the ppd file
itself (but that is rather unlikely, as configuration via XPP is working).



[Cooker] [Bug 6027] [cups] sigsev with fiery printer server driver

2003-09-30 Thread [till]
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6027


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I can reproduce the problem and have reported it upstream now:

http://www.cups.org/str.php?L308



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we have a couple of fiery based printer servers, that allow us to print to some
high volume minolta color copiers.

There are a couple of fiery drivers in cups-drivers. No matter which one I
choose, I cannot configure the printer via the browser based administration. 

I can add it, can print to it but cannot _configure_ it.

clicking on configure printer gives the following hint in /var/log/cups/error.log:

--CUT--
D [30/Sep/2003:13:20:12 +0200] ReadClient() 5 GET
/admin/?op=config-printerprinter_name=fiery_ii HTTP/1.1
D [30/Sep/2003:13:20:12 +0200] CGI /usr/lib/cups/cgi-bin/admin.cgi started - PID
= 3119
I [30/Sep/2003:13:20:12 +0200] Started /usr/lib/cups/cgi-bin/admin.cgi (pid=3119)
D [30/Sep/2003:13:20:12 +0200] SendCommand() 5 file=9
D [30/Sep/2003:13:20:12 +0200] AcceptClient() 8 from localhost:631.
D [30/Sep/2003:13:20:12 +0200] AcceptClient() 10 from localhost:631.
D [30/Sep/2003:13:20:12 +0200] ReadClient() 10 POST / HTTP/1.1
D [30/Sep/2003:13:20:12 +0200] ProcessIPPRequest: 10 status_code=0
D [30/Sep/2003:13:20:12 +0200] ReadClient() 10 GET /printers/fiery_ii.ppd HTTP/1.1
D [30/Sep/2003:13:20:12 +0200] SendFile() 10 file=11
E [30/Sep/2003:13:20:12 +0200] PID 3119 crashed on signal 11!
D [30/Sep/2003:13:20:12 +0200] CloseClient() 8
D [30/Sep/2003:13:20:12 +0200] CloseClient() 10
--CUT--

I have no idea if that bug is inside cups, the browser gui or the ppd file
itself (but that is rather unlikely, as configuration via XPP is working).



[Cooker] amavis-ng problems

2003-09-30 Thread John Allen
The -T switch to perl in /usr/bin/amavis prevents it running the MTA.

error as below
Insecure dependency in exec while running with -T switch at 
/usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.1/AMAVIS/MTA/Postfix.pm line 158.




Re: [Cooker] TAKE MY BRAIN OFF THIS DAMN METHADONE FOR THE LAST TIME!

2003-09-30 Thread Damian Gatabria
El mar, 30-09-2003 a las 14:28, Buchan Milne escribió:
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 jokerman64 wrote:
  On Tuesday 30 September 2003 03:46 am, Luca Berra wrote:
 
 On Tue, Sep 30, 2003 at 08:31:00AM +0100, John Allen wrote:
 
 On Tuesday 30 September 2003 07:19, Leon Brooks wrote:
 Yes but Exchange is not just an MTA, it is also the server for your
 Outlook, does IMAP, POP, and calendering stuff as well.
 
 Very true, and still we don't have a functional mail and groupware
 application on Mandrake :(
 
 
  yeah we do, evolution (and soon to be released Kontact).
  evolution has been around since forever too.
 
 Luca obviously means server-side (ie Exhchage, not Outlook).
 
 Regards,
 Buchan

I read someone mention OpenGroupware.org here a couple of weeks ago,
i think.. i thought it was going to be included..?


Damian




Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-30 Thread Michael Scherer
On Tuesday 30 September 2003 19:08, jokerman64 wrote:
 On Sunday 28 September 2003 04:19 am, Warly wrote:
  It may be a good idea, before cooker opens again, to take these
  days to have some brainstorm.
 
  May you give your opinion on :
 
  - What was wrong in 9.2 development process?

 [worksforme]
 I hate it when people close bugs w/ works for me instead of  actually
 trying to fix the prob. I think it's a major copout.

ok, so what should they do ? Trying to fix a bug thay cannot see or 
reproduce ?

  - What should we do to improve the Wiki.

 wtf is the wiki. i've only seen reference to it on cooker.

http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/wiki/

if you do not know what a wiki is, please see 
http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki

( wikipedia is a wiki, of course :)  )

  And anything related to the mandrakelinux distro.

 How 'bout adding sites like mandrake user sites on another page
 (mandrake community or something)
 Not like a webring or anything (those are gay).

I suppose that, like all the others the last time, you have nothing 
against gay people and you didn't want to offense them, as usual when 
this kind of problem occurs  ?

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[Cooker] [Bug 5691] [kernel] pluging / unplugin laptop main power hangs

2003-09-30 Thread [alexandre.bustico]
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5691





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still true with 2.4.22-10

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With 2.4.22-8, on a dell inspiron 8000, acpi disabled (apm enabled), unpluging
main power hard hangs the system.



Re: [Cooker] need clarification on dynamic usb storage device and supermount

2003-09-30 Thread danny
On Tue, 30 Sep 2003, Pascal Cavy wrote:

 The following scenario is implemented in cooker :
 
 1. connect an usb storage device to usb port
 
 2. dynamic creates an entry in /etc/fstab with supermount option - an icon appears 
 on kde for the device
 none /mnt/removable supermount 
 dev=/dev/sda1,fs=ext2:vfat,--,codepage=850,iocharset=iso8859-15,kudzu 0 0
 
are you sure it creates a supermount entry? For me it didn't IIRC. But if 
it uses supermount, it should probably at least use sync in the subfs 
options to minimize dataloss if you remove the device. And even then, I am 
not sure it will work 100% correctly.

d.





Re: [Cooker] http://bugs.mandrakelinux.com/

2003-09-30 Thread Vincent Danen
On Tue Sep 30, 2003 at 12:31:27PM -0400, Felix Miata wrote:

 http://bugs.mandrakelinux.com/
 
Cool. Something to play with in future :) . As said before, I can't
really afford to work on/with cooker, this way might be a lot better
solution for me to contribute to Mandrake
 
   Good conception. It looks faster than bugzilla, but it is empty.
   Bugzilla is too slow : to display a bug such as
   http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5066
   has a weight of 438084 bytes. This is mainly due to the great number of
   option in the select markup.
 
   With a 56k modem,  at least100 seconds are necessary to load this page,
   and 15s with an ADSL 512k. This is too much.
 
   But http://bugs.mandrakelinux.com/ is not a valid HTML :-(  Why?
  
  I'm not sure what you mean.  What's not valid HMTL?
 
 It can't be validated:
 http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fbugs.mandrakelinux.com%2F

Bah.  Big deal.  =)

I'll fix this later... how it shows up being validated is not that big of a
deal for me as long as it works.

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Re: [Cooker] TAKE MY BRAIN OFF THIS DAMN METHADONE FOR THE LAST TIME!

2003-09-30 Thread Spencer
jokerman64 wrote:

On Tuesday 30 September 2003 03:46 am, Luca Berra wrote:
 

On Tue, Sep 30, 2003 at 08:31:00AM +0100, John Allen wrote:
   

On Tuesday 30 September 2003 07:19, Leon Brooks wrote:
Yes but Exchange is not just an MTA, it is also the server for your
Outlook, does IMAP, POP, and calendering stuff as well.
 

Very true, and still we don't have a functional mail and groupware
application on Mandrake :(
   

yeah we do, evolution (and soon to be released Kontact).
evolution has been around since forever too.
 

And there is a market for that, many people don't want or cannot afford
exchange or notes.
   

I doubt the typical Linux PC server would handles 4million plus concurrent
users, when running Postfix, Cyrus, and a calendering app also.
 

i doubt anyone sane would think of putting 4million plus mailboxes on
the same box :)
L.
   

.

 

By the time of the next release (10?), OpenGroupware.org should be 
totally up and running out-of-the-box.




Re: [Cooker] http://bugs.mandrakelinux.com/

2003-09-30 Thread Felix Miata
Vincent Danen wrote:
 
 On Tue Sep 30, 2003 at 12:31:27PM -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
 
  It can't be validated:
  http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fbugs.mandrakelinux.com%2F
 
 Bah.  Big deal.  =)
 
 I'll fix this later... how it shows up being validated is not that big of a
 deal for me as long as it works.

How can you know it works if you can't validate it? The WHOLE idea of
validation is to maximize the likelihood that it WILL work in the
maximum number of browsers. Just because it works in whichever browser
you picked to check it in doesn't mean it works in everything equally
well, or at all. Did you check it in IE5.5? I didn't think so. ;-)
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Re: [Cooker] TAKE MY BRAIN OFF THIS DAMN METHADONE FOR THE LAST TIME!

2003-09-30 Thread Spencer
Damian Gatabria wrote:

El mar, 30-09-2003 a las 14:28, Buchan Milne escribió:
 

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jokerman64 wrote:
   

On Tuesday 30 September 2003 03:46 am, Luca Berra wrote:

 

On Tue, Sep 30, 2003 at 08:31:00AM +0100, John Allen wrote:

   

On Tuesday 30 September 2003 07:19, Leon Brooks wrote:
Yes but Exchange is not just an MTA, it is also the server for your
Outlook, does IMAP, POP, and calendering stuff as well.
 

Very true, and still we don't have a functional mail and groupware
application on Mandrake :(
   

yeah we do, evolution (and soon to be released Kontact).
evolution has been around since forever too.
 

Luca obviously means server-side (ie Exhchage, not Outlook).

Regards,
Buchan
   

I read someone mention OpenGroupware.org here a couple of weeks ago,
i think.. i thought it was going to be included..?
Damian

.

 

It's in contribs but is totally anal to set up right now. Working on it:-)

Spence




[Cooker] [Bug 5492] [xterm] xterm not installed in LM 9.2rc2

2003-09-30 Thread [ndeb]
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5492





--- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2003-30-09 17:02 ---
On LM9.2rc2, this is what xvt is: 
 
ll /usr/X11R6/bin/xvt 
lrwxrwxrwx1 root root   21 Sep 10 07:36 /usr/X11R6/bin/xvt - 
/etc/alternatives/xvt* 
 
ll /etc/alternatives/xvt 
lrwxrwxrwx1 root root   16 Sep 10 07:37 /etc/alternatives/xvt 
- /usr/bin/konsole* 
 
Its nothing but a link to KDE konsole. How brilliant an idea is that ? 
That also explains the problem reported in comment #5 . 
Any chance this will be fixed before LM9.2 final ? 
 

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I suppose that xterm has been removed from the XFree86 package and made into a 
separate package. I installed from CD1 alone. I also selected console tools 
during package selection. In fact, I noticed that kdebase-konsole was selected 
automatically but not xterm. While the xterm rpm is present on CD1, it was not 
selected by default so that I ended up with an installation that had 
kdebase-konsole but not xterm !!  
 
The way I see it, xterm must be selected by default by the installer, more so 
because the window manager /usr/X11R6/bin/twm is still part of XFree86. I can 
imagine what will happen if I do a minimal server (with X) install and start 
TWM only to find that there is not a single terminal program available !!



Re: [Cooker] http://bugs.mandrakelinux.com/

2003-09-30 Thread jokerman64
On Tuesday 30 September 2003 02:57 pm, Felix Miata wrote:
 Vincent Danen wrote:
  On Tue Sep 30, 2003 at 12:31:27PM -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
   It can't be validated:
   http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fbugs.mandrakelinux.com%2
  F
 
  Bah.  Big deal.  =)
 
  I'll fix this later... how it shows up being validated is not that big of
  a deal for me as long as it works.

 How can you know it works if you can't validate it? The WHOLE idea of
 validation is to maximize the likelihood that it WILL work in the
 maximum number of browsers. Just because it works in whichever browser
 you picked to check it in doesn't mean it works in everything equally
 well, or at all. Did you check it in IE5.5? I didn't think so. ;-)
screw IE and all it's demon spawn children. may they burn in the depths of the 
hellfires from which they were spawned.



Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-30 Thread jokerman64
On Tuesday 30 September 2003 02:09 pm, Michael Scherer wrote:
 On Tuesday 30 September 2003 19:08, jokerman64 wrote:
  On Sunday 28 September 2003 04:19 am, Warly wrote:
   It may be a good idea, before cooker opens again, to take these
   days to have some brainstorm.
  
   May you give your opinion on :
  
   - What was wrong in 9.2 development process?
 
  [worksforme]
  I hate it when people close bugs w/ works for me instead of  actually
  trying to fix the prob. I think it's a major copout.

 ok, so what should they do ? Trying to fix a bug thay cannot see or
 reproduce ?

   - What should we do to improve the Wiki.
 
  wtf is the wiki. i've only seen reference to it on cooker.

 http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/wiki/

 if you do not know what a wiki is, please see
 http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki

 ( wikipedia is a wiki, of course :)  )

   And anything related to the mandrakelinux distro.
 
  How 'bout adding sites like mandrake user sites on another page
  (mandrake community or something)
  Not like a webring or anything (those are gay).

 I suppose that, like all the others the last time, you have nothing
 against gay people and you didn't want to offense them, as usual when
 this kind of problem occurs  ?
do i agree w/ homosexuality? not really a topic for cooker. Did i want to 
insult any gay people w/ this comment? certainly not. It's just a (very) 
common expression where i come from. I can see the un-pc ness of it so i'll 
try to refrain from such comments in the future



[Cooker] [Bug 5691] [kernel] pluging / unplugin laptop main power hangs

2003-09-30 Thread [mdk.bugs]
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5691





--- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2003-30-09 17:11 ---
I can confim this on my Dell Latitude C610. Upgraded from 9.1, running latest
Cooker packages. Occurs in both normal kernel 2.4.22-10mdk and kernel-multimedia
2.4.22-10mdk.

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With 2.4.22-8, on a dell inspiron 8000, acpi disabled (apm enabled), unpluging
main power hard hangs the system.



[Cooker] [Bug 5023] [Installation] Dependencies cancel all selections

2003-09-30 Thread [fpons]
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5023


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No, it has been fixed in final, this was a problem in gtk loop due to long
execution of some code.

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When I select a package with a dependency and I click OK before the display 
refreshes in the package description window, the Installation program goes 
back to the main configuration screen (the one with Server, INtrenet and so ) 
 
The consol (ALt+CTrl+F1) says : 
 
(run install 2:10): Gtk-CRITICAL **: file ../../gtk/gtkbox.c: line 408 
(gtk_box_pack_end): assertion `child-parent == NULL` failes



[Cooker] [Bug 6029] [kdebase-konsole] New: xvt (same as konsole) gives error message on LM9.2rc2

2003-09-30 Thread [ndeb]
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6029

   Product: kdebase-konsole
 Component: kdebase-konsole
   Summary: xvt (same as konsole) gives error message on LM9.2rc2
   Product: kdebase-konsole
   Version: 3.1.3-79mdk
  Platform: Other
OS/Version: All
Status: UNCONFIRMED
  Severity: normal
  Priority: P2
 Component: kdebase-konsole
AssignedTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ReportedBy: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Start xvt from a terminal (as a non-root user). This error message appears: 
 
konsole: cannot chown /dev/pts/5. 
Reason: Operation not permitted 
konsole_grantpty: determined a strange device name `/dev/ptmx'. 
konsole: chownpty failed for device /dev/pts/5::/dev/pts/5. 
   : This means the session can be eavesdroped. 
   : Make sure konsole_grantpty is installed in 
   : /usr/bin/ and setuid root. 
konsole_grantpty: determined a strange device name `/dev/ptmx'. 
 
The xvt is just a link that eventually points to KDE konsole.  
And ll  /usr/bin/konsole_grantpty shows this: 
 
-rwsr-xr-x1 root root 5576 Sep  8 21:39 
/usr/bin/konsole_grantpty

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[Cooker] [Bug 6030] [Installation] New: not find some packages

2003-09-30 Thread [clp]
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6030

   Product: Installation
 Component: i18n
   Summary: not find some packages
   Product: Installation
   Version: 1.847
  Platform: PC
OS/Version: All
Status: UNCONFIRMED
  Severity: normal
  Priority: P2
 Component: i18n
AssignedTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ReportedBy: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


The disc one (on the second stage) does not find the next packages:
- bash localization
- kdelib
- gnomelib
- ...

On first error, the main window does not refresh correctly


Sorry, because my english is very poor

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Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-30 Thread Simon Oosthoek
On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 10:38:15PM -0500, Brad Felmey wrote:
 For God's sake, a urpmi proxy, like apt-proxy. Corporations are not
 going to want each box pulling packages separately, and they don't want
 to mirror, either. They just want to pull the stuff they need - once.

I don't know if God runs Mandrake Linux ;-) But this would be a Really Good
Thing (tm)!

I have 3 pc's at home running mandrake and about 17 at work. A mirror takes
a bit more effort to setup and maintain than a proxy would and I'm not even
mentioning diskspace and bandwidth!


Brad, you're a genius! (or you copied one ;-)

Simon



[Cooker] [Bug 5603] [gnome-session] 9.2-rc2: Gnome Logout button does nothing.

2003-09-30 Thread [fcrozat]
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5603


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--- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2003-30-09 17:41 ---
Try updating to gnome-session-2.4.0-3mdk and remove ~/.gnome2/session-manual .

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With the -rc2 gnome, the 'logout' button does nothing. It was working in -rc1.
I've also switched the system in question to gdm so I can use the timed-login stuff
which I originated some years back, but that shouldn't be a factor.

  I run debian/unstable on my main system, and seem to recall seeing this
behavior for a short while at some point.



Re: [Cooker] TAKE MY BRAIN OFF THIS DAMN METHADONE FOR THE LAST TIME!

2003-09-30 Thread Luca Berra
On Tue, Sep 30, 2003 at 11:53:40AM -0700, Spencer wrote:
By the time of the next release (10?), OpenGroupware.org should be 
totally up and running out-of-the-box.
I hope so, but i will have to read more opengroupware docs before i can
comment on it.
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[Cooker] [Bug 5932] [mailman] group conflicts with latest postfix

2003-09-30 Thread [jwd_45244]
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5932





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Correction: mailman version 2.1.3 was released not 2.1.13


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[Cooker] [Bug 5556] [kdeartwork] No screensavers are installed in 9.2rc2

2003-09-30 Thread [waschk]
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5556





--- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2003-30-09 18:40 ---
You can also create that file in ~/.menu


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the kdeartwork package (kdeartwork-3.1.3-4mdk).  There are still no 
screensavers installed.



Re: [Cooker] need clarification on dynamic usb storage device and supermount

2003-09-30 Thread Pascal
Le Mardi 30 Septembre 2003 19:23, Buchan Milne a écrit :
 Pascal Cavy wrote:
  The following scenario is implemented in cooker :
 
  1. connect an usb storage device to usb port
 
  2. dynamic creates an entry in /etc/fstab with supermount option - an

 icon appears on kde for the device

  none /mnt/removable supermount

 dev=/dev/sda1,fs=ext2:vfat,--,codepage=850,iocharset=iso8859-15,kudzu 0 0

 I was under the impression supemount wasn't used, but the 'user' option
 was, like this:
 /dev/sda1 /mnt/removable auto
 user,iocharset=iso8859-15,noauto,kudzu,exec,codepage=850 0 0

 Maybe you booted up with one attached, and harddrake configured it?

  3. click on this icon to access the usb storage filesystem

 Yes, and something mounts it for you (ie KDE).

  4. How do I disconnect cleanly this device from the desktop now that is
  automatically mounted ?
  I cannot unmount it from the kde icon since the user option is not in

 /etc/fstab

 Right-click-unmount, or 'unmount /mnt/removable'.

 That is, unless something has changed ...

This is not possible as only root can do it if the 'user' option is not 
specified in the fstab.

Let's clarify the test:
1. disconnect the USBSD (usb storage device)
2. remove any entry referencing it in the fstab
3. connect the USBSD
4. NOTHING is dynamically created in the fstab ***
5. run harddrake2
6. look at the fstab :
none /mnt/hd supermount 
dev=/dev/sdb1,fs=ext2:vfat,--,kudzu,codepage=850,iocharset=iso8859-15 0 0

this is not correct for 2 reasons:
a. only root can unmount it (so if a desktop icon is associated with this 
entry it cannot be used to unmount the USBSD FS)
b. since it is a supermount entry for a removable writable device, writes 
should be synchronous, thus the sync option is missing or you can loose data 
on disconnect

There is a conflict between hotplug and harddrake somewhere ... 
hotplug should create a fstab entry upon connect and remove it upon 
disconnect.
harddrake should not interfere with this.

Am I wrong somewhere ?

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Re: [Cooker] http://bugs.mandrakelinux.com/

2003-09-30 Thread Vincent Danen
On Tue Sep 30, 2003 at 02:57:44PM -0400, Felix Miata wrote:

   It can't be validated:
   http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fbugs.mandrakelinux.com%2F
  
  Bah.  Big deal.  =)
  
  I'll fix this later... how it shows up being validated is not that big of a
  deal for me as long as it works.
 
 How can you know it works if you can't validate it? The WHOLE idea of
 validation is to maximize the likelihood that it WILL work in the
 maximum number of browsers. Just because it works in whichever browser
 you picked to check it in doesn't mean it works in everything equally
 well, or at all. Did you check it in IE5.5? I didn't think so. ;-)

Well, before you start coming down on Anthill, did you bother to check the
rest of the mandrake sites?  Thought not.

Anyways, in the course of development, I've personally tested with Galeon,
Mozilla (OS X and Linux), IE6, IE for Mac, Safari on Mac, Phoenix (OS X and
Linux).  So I've tested with my fair share.

I also know of many users who use IE-based browsers (I've fixed a number of
bugs related to rendering on IE).  Anthill isn't a new product.  It's been
in development for over 3 years.  It was not written and designed
specifically for bugs.mandrakelinux.com.

Anyways, as soon as I get around to updating the site, it will have the
DOCTYPE setting; it's in CVS right now.

(Thanks for pointing out that I need some robot to tell me that it works
tho)

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[Cooker] [Bug 6031] [kernel] New: Wlan support for ISL3890 (Pri*m*54)

2003-09-30 Thread [suamor]
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6031

   Product: kernel
 Component: kernel
   Summary: Wlan support for ISL3890 (Pri*m*54)
   Product: kernel
   Version: 2.4.22-10mdk
  Platform: All
   URL: http://ruslug.rutgers.edu/~mcgrof/802.11g
OS/Version: All
Status: UNCONFIRMED
  Severity: enhancement
  Priority: P4
 Component: kernel
AssignedTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ReportedBy: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Hi!

I would like to see support for my cardbus wlan card (Netgear WG511). A driver
is available on http://ruslug.rutgers.edu/~mcgrof/802.11g . Of course not for
MDK 9.2 but for the next version :-)

A list of supported wlan cards is on
http://ruslug.rutgers.edu/~mcgrof/802.11g/Documentation/supported_cards.php

Thanks,

Reinhard Katzmann

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[Cooker] [Bug 308] [drakconf] Soundcard not set up properly

2003-09-30 Thread [steinar.hauge]
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=308





--- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2003-30-09 18:50 ---
Updated to 9.2 final using urpmi from cooker, update kernel as well. 
 
So at the most(when it comes to sound) it is just like 9.1, the only change is 
that it now tries to load cs46xx module again on startup and report that it 
could not do that probly because of wrong interupt ect. So it is stil no sound. 
Got also the message that aumix could not open /dev/dsp. 
 
Here  are the output from lspcidrake -v 
agpgart : Intel Corporation|440BX/ZX - 82443BX/ZX Host bridge 
[BRIDGE_HOST] (vendor:8086 device:7190) 
unknown : Intel Corporation|440BX/ZX - 82443BX/ZX AGP bridge 
[BRIDGE_PCI] (vendor:8086 device:7191) 
yenta_socket: Texas Instruments|PCI1251 PC Card Controller [BRIDGE_CARDBUS] 
(vendor:104c device:ac1d subv:4000 subd:) 
yenta_socket: Texas Instruments|PCI1251 PC Card Controller [BRIDGE_CARDBUS] 
(vendor:104c device:ac1d subv:4800 subd:) 
unknown : IBM|20H2999 PCI Docking Bridge [BRIDGE_PCI] (vendor:1014 
device:0095) 
cs46xx  : Cirrus Logic|Cirrus CS4610/1 CrystalClear SoundFusion Audio 
[MULTIMEDIA_AUDIO] (vendor:1013 device:6001 subv:1014 subd:1010) 
unknown : Intel Corporation|82371AB PIIX4 ISA [BRIDGE_OTHER] 
(vendor:8086 device:7110) 
unknown : Intel Corporation|82371AB PIIX4 IDE [STORAGE_IDE] 
(vendor:8086 device:7111) 
usb-uhci: Intel Corporation|82371AB PIIX4 USB [SERIAL_USB] (vendor:8086 
device:7112) 
sonypi  : Intel Corporation|82371AB PIIX4 ACPI - Bus Master IDE 
Controller [BRIDGE_OTHER] (vendor:8086 device:7113) 
Card:NeoMagic (laptop/notebook): Neomagic Corporation|[MagicGraph 256AV] 
[DISPLAY_VGA] (vendor:10c8 device:0005 subv:1014 subd:00dd) 
eepro100: Intel Corporation|82559 [Ethernet Pro 100] [NETWORK_ETHERNET] 
(vendor:8086 device:1229 subv:1014 subd:00d8) 
yenta_socket: Texas Instruments|PCI1250 PC card CardBus Controller 
[BRIDGE_CARDBUS] (vendor:104c device:ac16 subv:5000 subd:) 
yenta_socket: Texas Instruments|PCI1250 PC card CardBus Controller 
[BRIDGE_CARDBUS] (vendor:104c device:ac16 subv:5800 subd:) 
unknown : Unknown|USB UHCI Root Hub [Hub|Root Hub] (vendor: 
device:) 
 

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The soundcard is identified as this: cs46xx: Cirrus Logic|Cirrus CS4610/1 
CrystalClearSoundFusion Audio [M ULTIMEDIA_AUDIO] (vendor:1013 device:6001 
subv:1014subd:1010)  
  
The soundcard installed in the PC is a CS4239 so there could be some 
compatability problems here? or should the CS46XX module support the CS4239 
card? 
 
Here are the output from lspcidrake -v 
agpgart : Intel Corporation|440BX/ZX - 82443BX/ZX Host bridge 
[BRIDGE_HOST] (vendor:8086 device:7190) 
unknown : Intel Corporation|440BX/ZX - 82443BX/ZX AGP bridge 
[BRIDGE_PCI] (vendor:8086 device:7191) 
yenta_socket: Texas Instruments|PCI1251 PC Card Controller 
[BRIDGE_CARDBUS] (vendor:104c device:ac1d subv:4000 subd:) 
yenta_socket: Texas Instruments|PCI1251 PC Card Controller 
[BRIDGE_CARDBUS] (vendor:104c device:ac1d subv:4800 subd:) 
unknown : IBM|20H2999 PCI Docking Bridge [BRIDGE_PCI] (vendor:1014 
device:0095) 
cs46xx  : Cirrus Logic|Cirrus CS4610/1 CrystalClear SoundFusion Audio 
[MULTIMEDIA_AUDIO] (vendor:1013 device:6001 subv:1014 subd:1010) 
unknown : Intel Corporation|82371AB PIIX4 ISA [BRIDGE_OTHER] 
(vendor:8086 device:7110) 
unknown : Intel Corporation|82371AB PIIX4 IDE [STORAGE_IDE] 
(vendor:8086 device:7111) 
usb-uhci: Intel Corporation|82371AB PIIX4 USB [SERIAL_USB] 
(vendor:8086 device:7112) 
sonypi  : Intel Corporation|82371AB PIIX4 ACPI - Bus Master IDE 
Controller [BRIDGE_OTHER] (vendor:8086 device:7113) 
Card:NeoMagic (laptop/notebook): Neomagic Corporation|[MagicGraph 256AV] 
[DISPLAY_VGA] (vendor:10c8 device:0005 subv:1014 subd:00dd) 
eepro100: Intel Corporation|82559 [Ethernet Pro 100] 
[NETWORK_ETHERNET] (vendor:8086 device:1229 subv:1014 subd:00d8) 
yenta_socket: Texas Instruments|PCI1250 PC card CardBus Controller 
[BRIDGE_CARDBUS] (vendor:104c device:ac16 subv:9400 subd:) 
yenta_socket: Texas Instruments|PCI1250 PC card CardBus Controller 
[BRIDGE_CARDBUS] (vendor:104c device:ac16 subv:9c00 subd:) 
unknown : Virtual|Hub [] (vendor: device:) 
usb-storage : Shuttle Technology Inc.|CD-RW Devicee [] (vendor:04e6 
device:0101) 
 
 
System: IBM Thinkpad 600E, 124Mb, 30GB HD, Docking



[Cooker] [Bug 6028] [pybliographer] Settings - preferences dialog box fails in pybliographic

2003-09-30 Thread [waschk]
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6028


[EMAIL PROTECTED] changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEW
 Ever Confirmed||1
Summary|Settings - preferences |Settings - preferences
   |dialog box fails in |dialog box fails in
   |pybliographic   |pybliographic




--- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2003-30-09 19:02 ---
1.1.92 is unfinished software. You get this message because the preferences dialog 
wasn't done yet.

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With or without loading any file, pybliographic fails to show the preferences
dialog box by using the menu entry Settings - Preferences.
Here is the dump of error messages :

/usr/lib/python2.3/xmllib.py:10: DeprecationWarning: The xmllib module is
obsolete.  Use xml.sax instead.
  DeprecationWarning)
 
(Pybliographer:3106): libglade-WARNING **: could not find glade file
'/usr/share/pybliographer/glade/config1.glade'
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File
/home/goetz/tmp/pybliographer-1.1.92-buildroot/usr/share/pybliographer/Pyblio/GnomeUI/Document.py,
line 124, in set_preferences
  File
/home/goetz/tmp/pybliographer-1.1.92-buildroot/usr/share/pybliographer/Pyblio/GnomeUI/Config.py,
line 660, in run
  File
/home/goetz/tmp/pybliographer-1.1.92-buildroot/usr/share/pybliographer/Pyblio/GnomeUI/Config.py,
line 52, in __init__
RuntimeError: could not create GladeXML object
 
googling
(http://www.google.fr/search?q=RuntimeError%3A%20could%20not%20create%20GladeXML%20object%0A)did
 not gave me any clue, except perharp's a 2.0 gtk/gnome compatibility problem.



[Cooker] [Bug 6024] [mozilla-mail] No way to format HTML messages

2003-09-30 Thread [home]
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6024





--- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2003-30-09 19:10 ---
Oooops!

This is very embarrasing :-[

Thanks.

[fgriffin] wrote:


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All the format menus/toolbars seem to have disappeared of Mozilla Mail on MDK9.2RC2.

I have just updated to the latest cooker version 1.4-13mdk and am still getting
the same result.

Even if I reply to an email already in HTML format I can't alter the the format
in any way.

I have Enigmail installed but set to no default encrytpion.



[Cooker] Re: Re: And next ?

2003-09-30 Thread David Walser
Marcel Pol wrote:
 On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 06:07:50 -0400
 David Walser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Laurent Montel wrote:
  And splitting a single application (kopete and others) into 3-4 seperate
  rpms just doesnt make sense.
  
  Why ?
  Do you know libification ?
 
 Is it necessary when nothing besides that single app is ever going to use
 the library?
 
 I think yes. On amd-64 the library packages will be named different
 (libkopete1 vs something like libkopete1-64), and the file locations will be
 different as well (/usr/lib vs /usr/lib64), so splitting the libraries and
 binaries (/usr/bin) is a good thing.

Why?  Is somebody going to want to install 32-bit and 64-bit versions of the kopete 
library on their machine?




[Cooker] [Bug 5544] [Installation] installation cannot get packages on ftp

2003-09-30 Thread [manu]
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5544





--- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2003-30-09 19:35 ---
Fresh install of a cooker from today (30/09/2003) causes the same problem. 
I have spend a lot of time to select every package I wanted. When the 
installation has started, I've got the same problem: the installer couldn't 
get the files. 
Perhaps the installer cannot handle the fact that the connection is closed. 
ftp used: ftp.u-strasbg.fr, using freebsd, and proftpd 
 

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The installer fails to fetch some packages. 
This bug was already reported for 9.1, And I was told that it was a network 
problem (link too slow). Now the tested computer is linked to the ftp server 
for the install with a 10Mbits network. 
Stage 1 is ok and packages are selected. when the install start, a few 
packages are correctly isntalled, and after a while, the gui is very very slow 
(pressing details takes 30s to be executed). 
In the console (tty3, the message displayed is that the ftp get has failed, 
and 'retry'.



[Cooker] Re: YEAH ITS THE FUNNIEST DAMN THING SINCE THIS SIDE OF THE STATES EH?

2003-09-30 Thread David Walser
Jason M. Randle wrote:
 HAHA JOHN ALLEN YOU THINK?? NOW YOU GET A COOKIE 
 
 John Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:On Tuesday 30 September 2003 04:12, Jason M. 
 Randle wrote:
 TYPCIAL ASSHOLES!

 
 Yes you are aren't you.
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