Re: [Cooker] OpenOffice has been released
Unfortunately, OOo 1.1 still has several bugs, not the least of which is that it still mangles the occassional Excel spreadsheet in a manner similar to OOo 1.0.2. I had to revert to OOo 1.0.3.1 at work to interoperate with the Excel users. Thomas Spuhler wrote: What are you waiting for to release the distro. If it is for the formal released version of OpenOffice 1.1 then congratulation! I am a marketing person of a mid-size corporation and strongly supporting Linux at work. Releasing a distro with OpenOffice RC would not be a wise move from a marketing point. There are always bugs in a program, regardless how long you test it. If it's a RC then that will be the first thing everybody notices and will relate it to a second class distro. If a few more days are needed to incorporate the released version, then please consider to do so. This is just my 2 cent advice. Tom
Re: [Cooker] OpenOffice has been released
I would fully support to rename the packages if still possible. Just get the RC out of the package names (rpm names). It is still named RC4 in cooker Tom On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 21:25, Rob wrote: On Saturday 04 October 2003 00:06, Han Boetes wrote: I don't know which RC ended up in 9.2, but RC5 and 1.1 are identical. Might as well just rename the package, if it's RC5. Allas. CD's are read-only. The CD's have already gone to duplication? Cool! Show me the torrents ;) Rob signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Cooker] OpenOffice has been released
Could the updated OOo 1.1.0 be relaesed as an update? I am sure they fixed a number of things between RC 4 and the 1.1.0 best regards keld On Sat, Oct 04, 2003 at 11:26:24AM -0700, Thomas Spuhler wrote: I would fully support to rename the packages if still possible. Just get the RC out of the package names (rpm names). It is still named RC4 in cooker Tom On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 21:25, Rob wrote: On Saturday 04 October 2003 00:06, Han Boetes wrote: I don't know which RC ended up in 9.2, but RC5 and 1.1 are identical. Might as well just rename the package, if it's RC5. Allas. CD's are read-only. The CD's have already gone to duplication? Cool! Show me the torrents ;) Rob
Re: [Cooker] OpenOffice has been released
Austin: You are right, but they have about 95% market share. They did a lot of things different when they had less than 50%. Don't they screw up people again and again with their security and who has changed to a different OS, being it Linux or Apple! 1%? May be less on the desktop. It seem that on the server side where you have more computer savvy folks, it's different. Tom On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 15:28, Austin wrote: On 10/03/2003 09:58:35 PM, Thomas Spuhler wrote: How much does MS charge for their label on the piece of software. Oh, and by the way... Microsoft can call whatever they want a release candidate or a final release or a painted red wagon. How would we actually know what it is? They can call it whatever they want. We don't see the source, or the beta-testing process, or anything. Deadlines are deadlines, and they have proven time and time again that their final releases are far poorer than release-candidate quality. Austin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Cooker] OpenOffice has been released
I agree. Also seeing rc4 beta2 on a running system does look bad. A security update or just update will be a good idea IMHO. , 4 2003, 18:29,Keld Jrn Simonsen: Could the updated OOo 1.1.0 be relaesed as an update? I am sure they fixed a number of things between RC 4 and the 1.1.0 best regards keld On Sat, Oct 04, 2003 at 11:26:24AM -0700, Thomas Spuhler wrote: I would fully support to rename the packages if still possible. Just get the RC out of the package names (rpm names). It is still named RC4 in cooker Tom On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 21:25, Rob wrote: On Saturday 04 October 2003 00:06, Han Boetes wrote: I don't know which RC ended up in 9.2, but RC5 and 1.1 are identical. Might as well just rename the package, if it's RC5. Allas. CD's are read-only. The CD's have already gone to duplication? Cool! Show me the torrents ;) Rob -- diego, 9 Tishrey 5764 Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
Re: [Cooker] OpenOffice has been released
Taken from OOo web site: 8-- OpenOffice.org 1.1.0 Fixes OpenOffice.ortg 1.1.0 (1.1) incorporates all the fixes listed below. Below is the list of issues fixed in RC4. For discussion on these fixes, please look at the [EMAIL PROTECTED] archives for September. * 18749 Symbol font doesn't print. Default font is printed instead * 19473 Installation shows squares instead of Chinese characters RC 4 Fixes 16314 quickstarter causes freeze on log off with multiple users. x Investigation of several translation issues 4766,18425,18307,18733 installguides to be include - in progress for English, German, French, Italian 1 missing help topics (chart, installation, database func., common help topics) 1 fix to 1.1.0 in install.sh 15100 mail merge - committed 16909 deadlock in example text document 17582 chines fonts displayed as squares - partly fixed in rc3 18343 german readme 18385 upgrade installation crashes 18447 combobox disaprears 18497 hang while open sample issue text document 18586 l10n merge issue 18640 wrong page at presentation start 18641 modified flags set under certain conditions 18670 wrong call to JNI 18744 bibliographic database lost after update of 1.0.3 internal 109606 text disappears in presentation internal 111716 loop internal 111902 crash pressing edit button in RO document internal 111651 print monitor internal 111622 crash inserting OLE object in Math. internal 111893, 111889 may be related to 17582, committed to rc4 internal 112020 Update still override some user settings (*bau) -8 My understanding is that most fixes are in RC4, and only two bugs were fixed in RC5 (==final). In OO mailing list, one can find some developers complain about the serious bugs left in the final release ...:-=) Daniel Le sam 04/10/2003 à 20:29, Keld Jørn Simonsen a écrit : Could the updated OOo 1.1.0 be relaesed as an update? I am sure they fixed a number of things between RC 4 and the 1.1.0 best regards keld On Sat, Oct 04, 2003 at 11:26:24AM -0700, Thomas Spuhler wrote: I would fully support to rename the packages if still possible. Just get the RC out of the package names (rpm names). It is still named RC4 in cooker Tom On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 21:25, Rob wrote: On Saturday 04 October 2003 00:06, Han Boetes wrote: I don't know which RC ended up in 9.2, but RC5 and 1.1 are identical. Might as well just rename the package, if it's RC5. Allas. CD's are read-only. The CD's have already gone to duplication? Cool! Show me the torrents ;) Rob
Re: [Cooker] OpenOffice has been released
On Sat, Oct 04, 2003 at 08:43:07PM +, Diego Iastrubni wrote: I agree. Also seeing rc4 beta2 on a running system does look bad. A security update or just update will be a good idea IMHO. I'm sure the final of 9.2 will have no sign of a RC on oo.o 1.1 (that was the case on the rc2 of 9.2) I don't know for sure, but I think rc5 was picked up before the CDs reached their master state for duplication. I'm confident that no average end user will notice anything of the fact that it's actually a RC and not the renamed 1.1 final. I believe all this was already mentioned in this thread or another, so I guess I'm falling for a troll ;-) Cheers Simon
Re: [Cooker] OpenOffice has been released
, 4 2003, 19:14,Simon Oosthoek: On Sat, Oct 04, 2003 at 08:43:07PM +, Diego Iastrubni wrote: I agree. Also seeing rc4 beta2 on a running system does look bad. A security update or just update will be a good idea IMHO. I'm sure the final of 9.2 will have no sign of a RC on oo.o 1.1 (that was the case on the rc2 of 9.2) I don't know for sure, but I think rc5 was picked up before the CDs reached their master state for duplication. I'm confident that no average end user will notice anything of the fact that it's actually a RC and not the renamed 1.1 final. that is not what I am talking about. Even in rc19 is exactly final, it's nice to have an rpm which is named final. It looks better for the ignorant public. I believe all this was already mentioned in this thread or another, so I guess I'm falling for a troll ;-) Cheers Simon -- diego, 9 Tishrey 5764 Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
Re: [Cooker] OpenOffice has been released
On Sat, Oct 04, 2003 at 09:39:56PM +, Diego Iastrubni wrote: áùáú, 4 áàå÷èåáø 2003, 19:14, ðëúá òì éãé Simon Oosthoek: On Sat, Oct 04, 2003 at 08:43:07PM +, Diego Iastrubni wrote: I agree. Also seeing rc4 beta2 on a running system does look bad. A security update or just update will be a good idea IMHO. I'm sure the final of 9.2 will have no sign of a RC on oo.o 1.1 (that was the case on the rc2 of 9.2) I don't know for sure, but I think rc5 was picked up before the CDs reached their master state for duplication. I'm confident that no average end user will notice anything of the fact that it's actually a RC and not the renamed 1.1 final. that is not what I am talking about. Even in rc19 is exactly final, it's nice to have an rpm which is named final. It looks better for the ignorant public. I believe you are exaggerating the problem, since if applied strictly, your line of thinking would make 1.0.3 final better than 1.1rc5, which I seriously doubt. In fact, if this is really your feeling, I can definately recommend debian stable! It may be a few years out of date on average, but it's definately considered to be a very stable distribution (although it does contain some packages in beta or RC releases), never mind... Simon
Re: [Cooker] OpenOffice has been released
I don't know if the font problem when exporting to PDF is in the Linux version as well. I wasn't the only one who discovered it (resp. my wife), it was also on a report last week about the new Staroffice. It was mentioned that Staroffice doesn't have this bug. That was when OO was still RC5 I know it's not solved in the released version. BTW I filed a bug report. Tom On Sat, 2003-10-04 at 12:00, LE BERRE Daniel wrote: Taken from OOo web site: 8-- OpenOffice.org 1.1.0 Fixes OpenOffice.ortg 1.1.0 (1.1) incorporates all the fixes listed below. Below is the list of issues fixed in RC4. For discussion on these fixes, please look at the [EMAIL PROTECTED] archives for September. * 18749 Symbol font doesn't print. Default font is printed instead * 19473 Installation shows squares instead of Chinese characters RC 4 Fixes 16314 quickstarter causes freeze on log off with multiple users. x Investigation of several translation issues 4766,18425,18307,18733 installguides to be include - in progress for English, German, French, Italian 1 missing help topics (chart, installation, database func., common help topics) 1 fix to 1.1.0 in install.sh 15100 mail merge - committed 16909 deadlock in example text document 17582 chines fonts displayed as squares - partly fixed in rc3 18343 german readme 18385 upgrade installation crashes 18447 combobox disaprears 18497 hang while open sample issue text document 18586 l10n merge issue 18640 wrong page at presentation start 18641 modified flags set under certain conditions 18670 wrong call to JNI 18744 bibliographic database lost after update of 1.0.3 internal 109606 text disappears in presentation internal 111716 loop internal 111902 crash pressing edit button in RO document internal 111651 print monitor internal 111622 crash inserting OLE object in Math. internal 111893, 111889 may be related to 17582, committed to rc4 internal 112020 Update still override some user settings (*bau) -8 My understanding is that most fixes are in RC4, and only two bugs were fixed in RC5 (==final). In OO mailing list, one can find some developers complain about the serious bugs left in the final release ...:-=) Daniel Le sam 04/10/2003 à 20:29, Keld Jørn Simonsen a écrit : Could the updated OOo 1.1.0 be relaesed as an update? I am sure they fixed a number of things between RC 4 and the 1.1.0 best regards keld On Sat, Oct 04, 2003 at 11:26:24AM -0700, Thomas Spuhler wrote: I would fully support to rename the packages if still possible. Just get the RC out of the package names (rpm names). It is still named RC4 in cooker Tom On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 21:25, Rob wrote: On Saturday 04 October 2003 00:06, Han Boetes wrote: I don't know which RC ended up in 9.2, but RC5 and 1.1 are identical. Might as well just rename the package, if it's RC5. Allas. CD's are read-only. The CD's have already gone to duplication? Cool! Show me the torrents ;) Rob signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Cooker] OpenOffice has been released
[ I hoped to avoid this thread ... ] I don't know if the font problem when exporting to PDF is in the Linux version as well. OK, so we'll ship a 500MB update (SRPM=300MB, RPMS=200MB) for a bug which may not even affect us? This just isn't going to happen unless there is a really important bug which has been fixed. I wasn't the only one who discovered it (resp. my wife), it was also on a report last week about the new Staroffice. It was mentioned that Staroffice doesn't have this bug. That was when OO was still RC5 I know it's not solved in the released version BTW I filed a bug report. Tom [Please don't top post ... it seems all the new subscribers are doing it, making this thread even worse ... ] On Sat, 2003-10-04 at 12:00, LE BERRE Daniel wrote: Taken from OOo web site: 8-- OpenOffice.org 1.1.0 Fixes OpenOffice.ortg 1.1.0 (1.1) incorporates all the fixes listed below. Below is the list of issues fixed in RC4. For discussion on these fixes, please look at the [EMAIL PROTECTED] archives for September. * 18749 Symbol font doesn't print. Default font is printed instead * 19473 Installation shows squares instead of Chinese characters RC 4 Fixes 16314 quickstarter causes freeze on log off with multiple users. x Investigation of several translation issues 4766,18425,18307,18733 installguides to be include - in progress for English, German, French, Italian 1 missing help topics (chart, installation, database func., common help topics) 1 fix to 1.1.0 in install.sh 15100 mail merge - committed 16909 deadlock in example text document 17582 chines fonts displayed as squares - partly fixed in rc3 18343 german readme 18385 upgrade installation crashes 18447 combobox disaprears 18497 hang while open sample issue text document 18586 l10n merge issue 18640 wrong page at presentation start 18641 modified flags set under certain conditions 18670 wrong call to JNI 18744 bibliographic database lost after update of 1.0.3 internal 109606 text disappears in presentation internal 111716 loop internal 111902 crash pressing edit button in RO document internal 111651 print monitor internal 111622 crash inserting OLE object in Math. internal 111893, 111889 may be related to 17582, committed to rc4 internal 112020 Update still override some user settings (*bau) -8 My understanding is that most fixes are in RC4, and only two bugs were fixed in RC5 (==final). Well, in cooker/9.2 we have RC4, plus a lot of patches from IZ/CVS which Gwenole merged. From what I remember of what he posted (all you people complaining can go and search in the cooker archives), he reckoned there were about 4 patches in RC5 which we don't have, none of which were of importance. In OO mailing list, one can find some developers complain about the serious bugs left in the final release ...:-=) Daniel Le sam 04/10/2003 à 20:29, Keld Jørn Simonsen a écrit : Could the updated OOo 1.1.0 be relaesed as an update? I am sure they fixed a number of things between RC 4 and the 1.1.0 best regards keld On Sat, Oct 04, 2003 at 11:26:24AM -0700, Thomas Spuhler wrote: I would fully support to rename the packages if still possible. Just get the RC out of the package names (rpm names). It is still named RC4 in cooker And what would that help? The version returned by a query on the package would still show the RC4, as well as a query on the database if it were installed. Plus, the hdlists would have to be updated. The most visible version numbers all just say 1.1. The users who know enough to check version numbers can go and check the relevant changelogs. Tom On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 21:25, Rob wrote: On Saturday 04 October 2003 00:06, Han Boetes wrote: I don't know which RC ended up in 9.2, but RC5 and 1.1 are identical. Might as well just rename the package, if it's RC5. Allas. CD's are read-only. The CD's have already gone to duplication? Cool! Show me the torrents ;) The images are finalised, apparently in internal testing. Additionally, you may have noticed this small issue of the release schedule, which includes things like version freeze. http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/ReleaseInfo#Schedule_estimation_WarLy That was more than a month ago. That means that no version changes can occur in main without release manager approval. So, just stop asking about updated packages for the 9.2 release, you missed the boat at least 5 weeks ago. Just wait until cooker opens up (and don't bother asking when that will be on the list
Re: [Cooker] OpenOffice has been released
Allas. CD's are read-only. assuming that the PHB even looks at the program that closely its a fairly easy handwave since if you are on the OO.o list the community manager said and i quote Hi In my enthusiasm for OpenOffice.org 1.1, I neglected to clarify a point OpenOffice.org 1.1.0 is *identical* to the recently released OpenOffice.org RC5. Therefore, if you have downloaded RC5, there is no need to download 1.1. - Louis Suárez-Potts Community Manager OpenOffice.org so since RC5 was more or less a hammer this and see if anything breaks copy we should be clear even if we have rc4 on disc
Re: [Cooker] OpenOffice has been released
Robert L martin kirjoitti viestissään (lähetysaika Sunnuntai 05 Lokakuu 2003 02:33): Allas. CD's are read-only. assuming that the PHB even looks at the program that closely its a fairly easy handwave since if you are on the OO.o list the community manager said and i quote Hi In my enthusiasm for OpenOffice.org 1.1, I neglected to clarify a point OpenOffice.org 1.1.0 is *identical* to the recently released OpenOffice.org RC5. Therefore, if you have downloaded RC5, there is no need to download 1.1. - Louis Suárez-Potts Community Manager OpenOffice.org so since RC5 was more or less a hammer this and see if anything breaks copy we should be clear even if we have rc4 on disc Yeah... and since we have many patches applied to the RC4, it's a RC4++ ;-) and compared to 1.0.3 this one is a giant leap forward... -- Regards Thomas
Re: [Cooker] OpenOffice has been released
On 10/03/2003 09:16:01 PM, Thomas Spuhler wrote: There are always bugs in a program, regardless how long you test it. If it's a RC then that will be the first thing everybody notices and will relate it to a second class distro. If a few more days are needed to incorporate the released version, then please consider to do so. Perhaps you'd care to enlighten us on the myriads of bugs that have been fixed between the last release candidate and the final verision of openoffice? Austin -- Austin Acton Synthetic Organic Chemist, Teaching Assistant, Ph.D. Candidate Department of Chemistry, York University, Toronto MandrakeLinux Volunteer Developer, homepage: www.groundstate.ca
Re: [Cooker] OpenOffice has been released
Austin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/03/2003 09:16:01 PM, Thomas Spuhler wrote: There are always bugs in a program, regardless how long you test it. If it's a RC then that will be the first thing everybody notices and will relate it to a second class distro. If a few more days are needed to incorporate the released version, then please consider to do so. Perhaps you'd care to enlighten us on the myriads of bugs that have been fixed between the last release candidate and the final verision of openoffice? Looks like someone misunderstands the concept of release candidates. # Han -- http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanb/software http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanb/documents/quotingguide.html
Re: [Cooker] OpenOffice has been released
On 10/03/2003 09:58:35 PM, Thomas Spuhler wrote: Pls read again. I didn't say any bugs have been fixed. I said there are always bugs regardless how long you test. What I said is that when bugs are found and one uses a RC it will be obvious why if a RC is installed. Names make a difference. How much does MS charge for their label on the piece of software. I think YOU missed the point. Nowhere does it say RC-anything on the version on OpenOffice that will ship with 9.2... not the splash screen, and not the ABOUT dialog. I doubt if there are any significant bugfixes between the shipped version and the final anyway, and if there are (for example) serious security problems, they will be provided as updates. Who exactly will notice/care that it's an RC other than an RPM hacker? The distro release has to be made on time. There is no waiting for new packages. If one waits of openoffice, why not kde, then why not mplayer 1.0, then why not mozilla 2.0? The only decision to be made was to ship old openoffice 1.0, or new 1.1. The 1.1 RC's were very stable as many cooker people attested, and the prospect of new features FAR outweighed any potential RC-quality problems. Now the REAL question is this: Why doesn't Mandrake know what an RC is? OpenOffice.org releases actual release candidates... i.e. they are good enough to be releases. Mandrake Linux release candidates are in fact beta verisons. But that's a whole other discussion isn't it? Austin -- Austin Acton Synthetic Organic Chemist, Teaching Assistant, Ph.D. Candidate Department of Chemistry, York University, Toronto MandrakeLinux Volunteer Developer, homepage: www.groundstate.ca
Re: [Cooker] OpenOffice has been released
On 10/03/2003 09:58:35 PM, Thomas Spuhler wrote: How much does MS charge for their label on the piece of software. Oh, and by the way... Microsoft can call whatever they want a release candidate or a final release or a painted red wagon. How would we actually know what it is? They can call it whatever they want. We don't see the source, or the beta-testing process, or anything. Deadlines are deadlines, and they have proven time and time again that their final releases are far poorer than release-candidate quality. Austin
Re: [Cooker] OpenOffice has been released
On Friday 03 October 2003 21:16, Thomas Spuhler wrote: I am a marketing person of a mid-size corporation and strongly supporting Linux at work. Releasing a distro with OpenOffice RC would not be a wise move from a marketing point. I don't know which RC ended up in 9.2, but RC5 and 1.1 are identical. Might as well just rename the package, if it's RC5. Rob
Re: [Cooker] OpenOffice has been released
Rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 03 October 2003 21:16, Thomas Spuhler wrote: I am a marketing person of a mid-size corporation and strongly supporting Linux at work. Releasing a distro with OpenOffice RC would not be a wise move from a marketing point. I don't know which RC ended up in 9.2, but RC5 and 1.1 are identical. Might as well just rename the package, if it's RC5. Allas. CD's are read-only. # Han -- http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanb/software http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanb/documents/quotingguide.html
Re: [Cooker] OpenOffice has been released
On Saturday 04 October 2003 00:06, Han Boetes wrote: I don't know which RC ended up in 9.2, but RC5 and 1.1 are identical. Might as well just rename the package, if it's RC5. Allas. CD's are read-only. The CD's have already gone to duplication? Cool! Show me the torrents ;) Rob
